The TRUTH behind The KOTOR Remake's Struggles
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- With MORE unfortunate news circulating the KOTOR Remake, I take some time to once again discuss what I know, and counter some of the rumours going around...
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1:24 - I actually meant to say here that Aspyr refused to confirm OR deny the validty of Embracers Report. Anyway... are you happy that Saber are quite likely taking over the project? What are your thoughts? Let me know below. Also, come follow me on the Bird app for all my KOTOR Rambling: twitter.com/100PerStarWars
Saber has a good track record, so I'm not too worried about them taking over the project. And I really don't mind having to wait until 2025+ to see the game. The longer they take the better honestly. This game needs to adhere to the higher standards of KotOR fans because if ONE THING is out of place, people will RIOT! So they can take all the time they need to make it as perfect as possible.
No, because I’m worried that the powers to be wanted the game to deviate significantly from the original KOTOR, and that’s why it’s now being taken away from Aspyr.
@@Engine33Truck DAMN I didn't even think about that...
@@Engine33Truck I agree. I think that is the far more likely reasoning.
Nah give it to Naughty Dog
It's a shame that the original devs who worked on both Kotor games who both left BioWare and Obsidian respectively haven't banded together to create their own studio, I'd be happy if a new studio was made up of the old devs who know the Kotor series in and out worked on it.
Just the nature of the industry sadly.
I think there was one called Archetype. It's been a while since I've heard anything about them though. The leadership was comprised of KOTOR 1&2 Vets.
Because of the Mula
It cost to much to create a new studio
"The Doctors" the founding members of Bioware got fucked over so bad by EA thru their "acquisition" of Bioware (more a hostile takeover) that they not only left their company but the industry entirely.
Supposedly, aspyr did get a lot of that talent moved over. Embracer group is a massive company with tons of developers. This is a good. They're taking the game seriously
Sad to see Aspyr devs get rather shaft in a misguided display of 'loyalty' to Sony. Hopefully the fans do get a 2023 release for the 20th anniversary. Great insight as always 🙏
I hope that if it's not good, it doesn't get released honestly, i don't want another TLJ on my main preferred part of Star Wars
There’s no way 2023 is a viable release date
Im hearing rumours suggesting 2025-27 realese.
Their mistake was making it a timed exclusive anyway
Even 2023 WAS unrealistic, production started in 2021 we are speaking about a 70 million dollar project this is a AAA game no AAA game in the past Generation hasbeen made in 2 years, at the very least 3 years and most of the time is 4 years, 2024-5 was the most realistic date, now who knows.
Still is likely 2024/2025 - nothing has changed there.
I just want the game to be great, even if it takes 2-3 years.
Delay is better than rushed incomplete and uninspired game.
Hope the people at Aspyr get better treatment.
It was always going to be 2024 and beyond as even the developers never expected to hit the 2023 release window in time.
@@100StarWars it would've been insane if they tried to release such a big game before 2024. Thanks for the infos bro!
People said the same thing about VTMB2 when delays were first announced, then the whole thing just fell apart.
@@chasm671 then let's hope it doesn't happen again
I really hope that Aspyr continues to work in the title. I don't think it's fair for the game to be moved to a different studio after they've worked so hard on it. They really seem to love KOTOR, and they have my respect
Totally agree!
It was taken away from Aspyr and given to someone else. Which is good they're not experienced enough
@@BXtr3m3ty The people actually working on this project at Aspyr probably have more collective experience than any team at Saber.
Aspyr as a company is new to all this, but they hired extremely competent people to actually work on it. Don't get caught up in the names of the companies, look at the actual people working there.
@@existentialselkath1264 and i still said what I said. They don't have enough experience in this genre.
@@BXtr3m3ty they got former bioware Devs on it who worked on the original
I’m dying about him blocking you haha. I definitely appreciate the update!
Thankfully I blocked him before he could block me.
Made me laugh too all things considered xD
It never surprises me that higher ups in game companies fuck things up this stuff always seems to happen
Like clockwork.
I hope the vertical slice gets leaked
I’m just hoping that it doesn’t go to pot and it ends up being a thoughtful and amazing remake of such an amazing game
This game better not turn into “look at the cool graphics we can do”. Graphics are amazing. Put out a good story for god sake. That’s why this game is still being played after all these years. Good gameplay. Good story. The last thing we need is another forgettable button mashing hack slash cut scene loaded game. Don’t screw this game up. I’d rather you not do it at all.
I mean, the story is already there.
@@100StarWars yeah I caught they right after I typed it. Lol
@@applepie1911e agreed
Absolutely certain machines can’t run certain graphics my computer is fifteen years old and can’t afford to upgrade. Story is of the utmost importance and actual gameplay not pvp and raids.
Have you played KOTOR before?
Jason Schreier blocks 100% Star Wars despite never actually saying anything negative about him.
Yup. That definitely sounds like Jason.
xD
Who?
"The Dark Side is a path to many outcomes, some consider "WTF?!"ckey..."
~Darth Sand, or smthin' . . .
LOL
If Saber takes over because Sony wanted to change Kotor’s story, then this is a terrible sign for the game
Nothing to do with the story. All about presentation.
all story direction is only approved by Lucasfilm not sony
@@100StarWars that’s a huge relief. If the art director was fired, then I would agree with you that Sony was hoping for that premium graphical fidelity with the models and environment. This is probably Aspyr taking on more than they could handle and there was probably existing worry about that in Embracer with Saber already tasked with helping out previously
Yes, blame Sony lol
The mistake was making it an exclusive
I completely forgot the anniversary of the release is next year. Damn I'm old.
I know right...
I didn’t either I’m 41
I have little faith after all of this that the game will turn out in a way that will make existing fans of KOTOR happy with the product. Unsure of the direction that sony wants with the game but my experience with star wars over the last 10 years has led me to see things in a negative light when a large corporation wants the direction to go a certain way.
I don't even know why Sony have so much control considering they don't own the title or anything lol
@@100StarWars I’d trust Sony over Disney to make a good game, most their exclusives are pretty good
This is incredibly disappointing, I had a feeling that article didn't get things right. I felt there was no way Aspyr made something lucasfilm would think was bad. I thought that maybe they were making it too faithful, like they were keeping an aspect of the turn - based combat system or something? The fact that SONY has any word on the development of the game is annoying. KOTOR fans dont want God of War, Last of us KOTOR, do that with another IP. We need KOTOR to stay KOTOR, I really really hope saber or whoever ends up working on it are allowed to take their time and make it right. Now i'm worried...
Thank you for the content!
No one wants turn based combat like the old games. Only way turn based would work is if they made it like Dragon Age Inquisition
Turn based combat is fine, would be nice to implement something to satisfy either preference for this game.
Dragon Inquisiton/FF7 Remake was the direction gameplay wise to my knowledge.
@@100StarWars I don't know I heard they wanted it to be more action oriented like God of War but honestly gameplay similiar to FF7 is a good compromise to me, I've never played DAI only DAO but I hear the gameplays are similiar but DAI is more action oriented than tatical which is a bummer but I'd still take that over making the remake a Fallen Order/God of War clone, KotOR is awsome because it's an RPG.
@@100StarWars personally I’d have been disappointed with an inquisition style of combat. That’s just me though. I always thought kotor would have been cool with actual combat, like aiming blasters and such.
It is frustrating that corporate can just discard the time and effort put by a passionate team in a passionate project only because they didn’t like it as much as they wanted.
Most of the time, they only look at the money, not at the players’ satisfaction or the game’s legacy or potential
Indeed.
It's simple, we don't buy unless we for certain that is good and meet *OUR* expectations
@@splashnskillz37 people will still buy it regardless…
@@meppledude6874 Don't count them, the less the bigger the damage
Jason has always been quick to block anyone that even slightly annoys him. I'm not a fan of him in general, but he's not one to make stuff up and he's usually pretty accurate.
If he says it was planned to release in 2022, then that's what he's been told by whoever his source is. Obviously, it can't be true, but all of this is confusing and clearly nobody knows what's really going on.
who is this Jason guy?
@@themanabroad7800 The idiot who is a Star Wars insider.
FYI, Jason has very high opinion of himself and thus a fat ego. He blocks people indiscriminately to surround himself with those that just agree with him and parrot whatever he says. He has connections in the industry but he is heavily motivated by personal agendas in his "journalism"
I really know little about him, all I know is he's peddling some really negative perspectives regarding this game.
@@100StarWars I have been following him for some time and this has been a consistent behaviour of his. He tends to put negative spins on companies that have folks in their leadership who don't gel with his politics/agendas.
I can't help but think that Aspyre's vision was far more faithful than Sony wanted. I suspect they wanted something more like God Of War in regards to the game play and combat.
I would love to someday see the vertical slice released
I doubt we'll ever seen it.
Thanks for update about all this. I am really glad there someone who is giving clear information.
No problem!
Duke Nukem Forever vaporware debacle incoming...
I don't mind remakes, but with the GTA trilogy, Diablo 2 resurrected, and the release of the saints row "remake" anything that has this word 'remake' always makes me skeptical and worried since God knows how many try to "modernize" old franchises or not giving them the love they deserve. The remakes we deserve and the games themselves should be be like the Mafia 1 and 2 remakes.
Mafia I, yes. Mafia II, not much of a fan of it myself, though at least it got the original, better version in it.
Not all were bad. FFVII Remake was awesome and the Resident Evil 2 and 3 remakes were great (even if they did cut 3 down to size). 2 in particular was incredible. I am liking what I am seeing from Silent Hill 2 though I do feel a remake was unnessary.
Not fond of FF VII Remake, but it has its moments.
I still want a "Director's Cut" of RE3 "Reimagining" though.
Even if that ends up good, here's to hoping SH1-3 get a proper compilation remaster release nowadays, alongside Metal Gear Solid 1-3. Would love to play them properly on, say, the PC.
As long as the story already told and the character do NOT change in ANY way other than basically an update then it will be fine. But if they insert modern day nuances and change the established characters, dialogue, and story to suit their own points of view rather than the original IP that will be devastating.
Please Sony, I don’t want to play a fancy looking cinematic movie. I want to play a GAME with real gameplay where I decide where to go next and what I want to do. Played Fallen Order and it is so boring when you even can not decide whitch path to take to reach your destination on the map 🤨
🎵it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down🎵
I would like someone to leak said vertical slice. Really interested by the vertical slice seeing as lucasarts was happy with the game.
I mean, it was a pretty iconic section of the game.
I imagine it would happen post launch, or perhaps close to
Either way, we'll see how Embracer will fare in the coming years... may they resurrect Deus Ex and finally end Adam Jensen's story.
I just want the KOTOR II DLC for the Switch at this point
I must not hype.
Hype is the mind-killer.
Hype is the little death that brings inflated expectations.
I will face the hype.
I will allow it to pass over me and through me.
When the hype has passed I will turn a critical eye to see its path.
There may be nothing. Only good games remain.
A worthwhile lesson to remember as you all await the remake.
I understood that reference
Where's this from?
Thanks for being on top of this !
No problem! Thanks for the $2
Oh my god ...
This is litteraly exactly the same situation as it were with Bloodlines 2 :(
Let's hope it turns around.
Basically tl;dr
Exclusives are a pox upon the gaming industry and stifle creativity with corporate BS.
Thanks for all the info
My friend I'm so sorry that the KOTOR remake is still stalled with all these rumors going on about the game going off to another company. I know you were so excited when it was announced last year that they were going to do a KOTOR remake but then all these problems come up that hindered it's progress. I have to ask you my friend if it would been better if Bioware had done a KOTOR 3 instead of Aspyr doing the KOTOR remake just like fans wanting Battlefront 3. I hope everything goes well and the game finally comes out next year for the 20th anniversary of KOTOR 1
Much better if they had nobody wants a remake but a Kotor 3 would have had a much bigger audience
I’m prayin 4 it🙏😔
I can't even imagine a Star Wars game being as incredible as Ghost of Tsushima- and I really liked Jedi Fallen Order
Never played Jedi fallen order computer too old to run it and game far to expensive to purchase
@@Dancestar1981 ; it should be a lot cheaper now, it was on sale when I got it
I just hope they don't fuck this up I don't want the kotor name to be ruined.
This kinda just basically solidified my thoughts on how the guys at Aspyr shouldn’t be handling this game.
I feel for the development team, but the leaders in charge seriously fucked up here with their disgusting lack of communication between Sony and their own development team.
I honestly cannot blame Sony and Lucasfilms for leaving with the KOTOR Remake and taking it elsewhere. I would to if these idiots in charge can’t even convey to their development team what we needed properly. It’s not even the fault of the development team, it’s the idiots in charge of them.
Hopefully Saber Initiative can make this game a masterpiece, but I’m still kinda concerned for it. Least hopefully the game’s release banking on the end of the EA Deal is true, so it will get the time it needs for development and it gets a release in late 2024 or 2025.
I'm sure Disney through some 'legal rights' rigmarole will find a way to make things worse
There have been very few Disney/Lucasfilm product that I have liked. Their approval doesn’t mean much. I don’t think their judgement of what a competent remake is would be consistent with most fan’s expectations. Instead of a remake, why not give us a new KOTOR story?
Maybe that was the overarching plan?
@@100StarWars To clarify on what I mean by “new KOTOR story”: New plot and characters within the timeframe of KOTOR just like KOTOR II did. While I’m sure a lot of fans want another sequel featuring Revan, I think another standalone story would be satisfying to a lot of fans in the series as long as it makes acknowledgement to characters and events of the first two games. What I don’t want is what Square Enix did(doing) with their FF7 Remake Intergrade where there’s a retelling of Revan with a major twist. That’s just me.
Yes a new Kotor story most of the fans want that
I have no idea why Aspyr is allowed to continue with this property. They totally made the mobile version into buggy garbage and refused outright to fix it. First claiming there was no save game issues and then immediately when confronted with this lie, still obfuscated the matter. Aspyr is a horrible game company and I hope they do transfer the license to another company.
Sacking people to make a statement is messed up.
This is good news. Atleast it isn't dead. Embracer is a huge company, with huge IPs and many developers. If aspyr couldn't handle it, so be it, it's sad, but not completely unpredictable. Aspyr has no track record and no experience making anything other than ports of the old games. but moving the project to a stronger studio is a major plus if you ask me. Again embracer is massive they've got A LOT of talent on the books Obviously they are taking it seriously. And no doubt the most important people, will be moved from aspyr to saber, since many former bioware people were hired specifically for this project
Well, Lucasfilm thought it will be a good idea to give sw rights to EA. So if Sony thinks it was horrible, I'm willing to believe them. And in fact Sony 1st party games are masterpieces so let the do what they're doing the best.
A KOTOR port to new gen would be nice for 2023, a KOTOR II Remake would interest me WAY more than a KOTOR 1 remake
Sad how we have to mod 20 year old games just to be able to have fun bc they haven't released a half decent game in tht time
Oh no! That's a bad sign (When these things happens in *Gaming > Devs* ) As someone who really am looking forward to this. I am more sceptic than ever.
Look at the state of gaming and how little respect there is for our beloved franchises. We are lucky if this game is never made. What benefit of the doubt, if any, do any of these studios truly deserve?
Studios and leadership aside, honest, hard working and passionate people do work on these games and deserve reprieve from corporate bullshit.
Thanks for clarifying
Like I said on Twitter I raise my glass to you mate!
They touched the story when all they needed was update the graphics.
i did hear about some multiplayer component being added.
Saber, Disney, Sony and Aspyr leadership: your out Aspyr. Aspyr: out am I!? oh you can't do this to me... You know how much I sacrificed!
“I started this remake!”
Someone wants to mess with history.
Yes , yes , let the hate flow trough you
Ok
What was the point of releasing a trailer, only to turn around and say 'Yeah, but you'll have to wait until 2025 at the earliest'.
Infuriating!
Also Disney wars just blows
I don’t really care who does it as long as they don’t screw it up and change the story
I think Steven Wilson's take on current music fits video games as well. People are making content for profit instead of envisioning their passion and bringing it to life. Sadly, for the ones trying to bring their passions to life, corporate trustees with more coke than blood flowing through their veins set wild expectations for a property and end up destroying the creative vision of the devs in the process. But what the hell do I know, they'll just toss a battle pass in the game and call it a success.
Also so now we as fanbase of Kotor are goin to want to know a few things , one what is the development of this game ? Like we goin need a documentary for this like raising kratos lol . Also I'm the back of all our minds will be whatever aspyr made that them and Lucas arts liked , that Sony didn't vs what saber interactive is making and will give to us . Chances are aspyr could have made the game the way we fans wanted but Sony wants to put their cinematic close camera narrative spin to it . This is goin to be a very precarious game when it drops .
Star wars games since Disney buying star wars don't have the greatest track record of making it out of development......
How many more decades before i just get my kotor 3 in 2006 graphics...
I'm gonna be well into my 40s by the time this gets released won't I?
Depends on your age rn
Can play with your kids!
I got very confused at that reply for a minute
Understandable lmao
Most game devs, especially Crytek are shoveling all their projects off to Saber. Shame on Aspyr for being one of them.
Just a reminder hunters is not a mobile game that "came to switch" its an UPCOMING mobile game COMING to switch
It was soft launched in Asia - so it technically has already been released to an extent.
@@100StarWars sounds more like a closed beta then a full launch of the game
Been waiting too long for a remake. I like that they waited to do it on unreal engine 5 but damn this should be easier to make. Use Fallen Order combat, graphics, environment add all the force powers, dialogue and keep it pushing
Wow this makes me really sad
Dude he’s a hack and been called out by people on here left, right and centre leaning !
Sony wants a Remake like FF7 and thats why Sony arent hapy if the remake is only an AI upscale.
This Remake is much closer to Resident Evil 2 than an 'AI upscale'
I always hated that it was going to be a PS exclusive just felt like a slap in the face to die hard kotor fans by alienating about a 2/3 of the fan base
Hopefully Aspyr will still get the Restored Content for KOTOR 2 out on the Switch.
I only played the vanilla version on the original Xbox so I want to do the complete version.
If we don't hear anything soon I will reach out to them!
I'm so excited for this game, since i tried the original kotor a month ago but the controls felt so horrible i immediately stopped playing.
Gaming politics are brutal no doubt I've got to ask though is it still confirmed that aspyr are releasing the restored content patch for kotor 2 in September for switch ?
If we don't get any information in the coming weeks, I'll reach out and ask my sources regarding this!
@@100StarWars your a Saint my dude keep up the hard work 👍😎
Jason Schreir is a cry baby, any small criticism about what he says gets met with a block
He has the thinnest skin out of everyone, the only thing that he has going for himself is his connections that as we can see are not always solid
Truth is subjective, I’d prefer the facts and evidence behind the struggles instead.
Sadly, until or even if the time is right - I sadly can't give anything more.
Facts and Truth are the same thing. Both are objective.
When it be released or why
and its a good thing that sony did step in and say woah hold on bro thats not a real remake. after all kotor 1 and 2 has a big and strong history and is prob if i belive right is one of the best games of all time and if you know that you wont take any risk to only made a ''remake by only AI upscale the game and sell it''. i am sure 100% thats why sony did pull the strings and Lucats did never like the games xD...
I trusted Aspyr and had faith in them to do a KOTOR remake well and if they're not working on it then I'm not interested. Too many games these days fail because some suits want their fingers in everything.
KTOR is a massive game, i expected this to be out by 2025-26 just because of the scope. even for the time it came out its still more ambitious and massive than modern day AAA rpgs. The worlds, choices and customization is just Grand AND its a complete rebuild, not a fresh coat of paint. Full combat rework, visual, fidelity, everything. if this game was never made before it would never get of the ground today just because of the ambition.
i hope someone leaks that demo reel
It was a cool part of the game too, so I'm really curious what they didn't like about it lol
@@100StarWars you saw it?
@@liamlinson7563 Not directly, but I know what section of the game it was and it was an iconic part!
That’s funny jason schreier blocked you. Not a fan of that guy he seems like a bully .
Don't you ever wish you worked at a game studio working on a game like this?
Judging by how depressing the industry is... not really lol
I'm not confident this will be good and not just because of the mess with the devs but mostly due to the fact that the current iteration of the Lucasfilm story group is involved. These are the same people that green lit the garbage sequel trilogy and High Republic.
They are merely involved to the extent of keeping continuity. Not the actual writing.
If the game has to fit the parameters of the Lucasfilm Story Group then it’s probably going to be canon-destroying intersectional feminist trash like everything else those clowns touch.
Just please don’t make hk-47 family friendly
always sad news
Oh, and not much of a fan of Kotaku myself. Am more into Screen Rant (despite its Star Wars noobiness).
What's next Kotor 1 episode 1 19.99 an episode
So what have Saber been doing that makes Sony think they can fix this? If that’s the real problem here, why would Sony hand it over to someone with just as little pedigree as Aspyr?
Sony didn't give it to them. It was pitched by Aspyr to Lucasfilm, and Sony joined as partners.
@@100StarWars Okay but if this is happening because Sony were unhappy with the demo, switching to Saber doesn’t feel like a solution that’s going to allay their fears about the project.
I don't want to see this game at all if it's not finished properly. I'll wait till 2026 even idc.
Am I the only one who sees this as a good thing? Aspyr hasn't really done much of anything to give me any confidence that this remake would be good. They've butchered port after port.
Where does the impression that aspyr made bad ports come from? The only negativity I ever heard was a single bug in kotor 2.
The new team they set up for the remake had very little to do with those ports anyway and we know very little about their capabilities.
Saber on the other hand are pretty well known, and they're hardly the most capable studio.
I agree with you and Sony
@@existentialselkath1264 KotOR 2 is definitely not the only one with issues. KotOR 1 on the Switch had some pretty big/annoying issues too.
@@existentialselkath1264 They recently had a disaster with the switch port shipping with a game breaking bug. The ports on android are ok, but they haven't been updated in literal years. I believe KOTOR1 is so old and un-updated that you can't sign into Google Games for the achievements anymore. This has been a known issue for a while. Aspyr has basically only ever done the BARE MINIMUM when it comes to this IP so not sure why they are so hyped up.
,,A single bug"
I don't know to what you're referring, but they didn't fix the pre-existing game breaking bug, introduced another one in the Android port, earlier in the game, and the update patch for the PC port is unstable. I'm on my third attempt to play the game and still haven't been able to finish it due to its terminal glitches.
I’m sorry but we can put the blame on Sony… kotor is a game that already exists if they were expecting somthing akin to god of war that’s on then and they’re a bunch of morons I get that it’s a remake but it’s still kotor if they change it that much it won’t be anymore they should have know what they were getting in to
So people can create mods that make the graphics look better and a company struggles lol
Hopefully this means that Sam Maggs' influence will be completely purged from the project
She barely had any to begin with, but that didn't stop grifters from making misleading videos to fuel the clickbait rage machine.
This game was gonna make me buy a next gen console since modern games suck. Guess I saved 500 bucks.
i feel like i only hear bad things about this shryer or how he is written....
I can't comment on him in general because I don't know enough about him.
i cant really explain why, but whenever i hear about him through some game news, its at best a neutral statement, pretty frequently it was negatively....
WWTTFF!?!!??!!!!?
They still haven’t put out a statement about the last article. It’s weird that they wouldn’t want to get out in front of this.
Yeah, confuses staff in the studio too!