Bruce's abusive father created the hulk alter ego that comes out to defend him. It's almost like moonknight condition except is not advanced to the point it takes over when he's conscious.
@@wisewillowgames You're so far up your own ass. It is VERY similar to a DID personality taking over, and the fact you changed 'not advanced to" to "not as advanced" shows your bias. Go outside for fucks sake you entitled douche.
A lot of people miss the fact that Bruce was an abused child, which is probably why Jennifer points out his decades of trauma. This is probably why he took so long to adjust
@@andyrobin7196 The Hulk movies are broad strokes canon to the MCU, so his traumatic childhood is canon. He's just had decades to deal with it (and he points that out in the episode)
In the 2008 Hulk movie, it was stated that Bruce’s blood is incredibly toxic and even a drop can kill a normal human being. That’s why Bruce was trying to keep Jen away from his blood while she had open wounds. Also, I’m glad Jen called Bruce out over the fact that ever since he became the Hulk, he has been running from his past trauma (Severe childhood abuse) and hasn’t truly dealt with it.
People need to remember the Hulk was created as an attempt to recreate the Super Soldier Serum, which brings what's inside, in Banner's case it was his repressed traumatic childhood anger, in Jen's case... nothing, since she was just a normal person.
I’m surprised no one ever thought that since Bruce took a huge amount of Gamma radiation that this could be the reason he took so long to control it. Jennifer possibly is getting a diluted dose from some drops of blood while Bruce took the full brunt of it. So that may be why she’s more able to control it.
Not likely that. Abomination can control it and keep his personality out of the gate too. It is just Bruce's rage monster personality that he is dealing with. Almost like he has DID.
She's also ranting about how had her life is and how hard it is to control her anger to the one person in the world who can't afford to be angry and also tried to kill himself because he's seen as a monster.
The mask they show at Hulk’s bungalow is Ultron’s mask. I believe it’s there to serve as a reminder to him and Tony, to never get that reckless ever again with their experiments.
I remember her getting everyone in line one time when they were talking over her: "I'm STILL talking, guys!" Everyone quiet😅 yeah I can imagine her being a bit scary angry
That wasn't Hulk's blood. That was modified copycat captain america serum they'd been trying to recreate since ww2 ended. They;d been experimenting with different formulas but didn't have anyone else to try it out on until Blonsky volunteered. That's what Banner was working on. After he hulked out they kept working on it and whatever they gave Blonsky is something similar, but different.
@@desmoove I'm fairly sure Blonsky got a dose of Hulk's blood when he gets Doctor Sterns to inject him with one of the samples of it that turned him into Abomination.
@@desmoove It’s essentially the same serum that Steve was given, except Steve’s serum was radiated with Erskein’s experimental Vita-rays and Blonsky’s serum was radiated with Gamma rays. That’s why his body reacted the way it did when he injected with the formula created from Banner’s blood, which goes back to what Erskein’s said before that his serum simply enhances what the person is on the inside. In Steve’s case, the ideal person with good morals and the strength to back it up. In Jen’s case, a sexy confident powerful woman to match her powerful mind.
@@desmoove Blonsky did get an experimental super soldier serum, which caused him to get stronger, grow some elongated spinal plates, and become a bit more irrational, but he did not transform into Abomination until he was injected a separate time with Gamma irradiated blood, which Sam Sterns synthesized from Bruce's own blood
The reason why banner has two personalities is because he was abused as a child by his father, which made him develop a split personality i believe. when he got the gamma radiation it applied to both.
It's not because "men have anger issues". Bruce hasn't realized it yet, but the Hulk personality wasn't created by his transformation, he ALWAYS had multiple personalities due to his father abusing him as child. His alter gained control of the Hulk body because the 'Bruce' personality had always retreated from violent situations.
Point of order! (chronological order, that is...) She-Hulk was breaking the fourth wall in the comics BEFORE Deadpool did. She-Hulk #3 (1989): "You readers will probably find out on the next page!" Deadpool did first appear in New Mutants #98 (1983), six years prior to She-Hulk. However, his first solo comic wasn't until 1994, five years after She-Hulk. More importantly, he didn't break the fourth wall until Deadpool #28 in 1997, by Joe Kelly and Pete Woods, eight years after She-Hulk first did. And it didn't become a regular feature of Deadpool until his comic run by Joe Kelly and Ed McGuinness, which started in 2016, 27 years after She-Hulk did it. (She-Hulk was the last main character created by Stan Lee before he left the publishing side of Marvel Entertainment.)
In the comics Jennifer herself states that her cousin bruce is about 1000 times stronger than her which is kind of displayed in the rock throwing scene. He never hulks full out during their fight because bruce always has the fear of loosing control to The Hulk.
The thing I've always wondered is since She-Hulk gets exponentially stronger if Jen trains and gets stronger, doesn't that mean there's a theoretical limit to how strong She-Hulk can get (forgetting for a minute that there now isn't, as she's been powered up and is physically most likely the strongest female hero in the Marvel universe)? Like as a regular human Jen can only get so strong and develop so much muscle. So shouldn't (pre powerup) She Hulk essentially only be able to get exponentially stronger than Jen's strongest? Obviously this assumes non anger She Hulk.
@@robertcampbell8070 you almost had it, basically instead of getting stronger the angrier she gets like bruce, she only gets stronger as she trains in her hulk body, and the limit is however far she can push her body in hulk form
@@yamamato910 That's incorrect. The stronger she gets as Jen, the stronger she is as She Hulk. After she was easily beaten by the Champion, she trained for months as Jen, getting significantly stronger. When she went to She Hulk form to fight him again, she had significantly more muscle mass and was able to easily defeat him despite wearing a strength inhibiting suit.
I mean in the comics, can’t Hulk like punch the universe apart or some ridiculous thing like that? I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’s much stronger
I'm not positive on this one, but I think I remember a catcalling incedent almost triggering a transformation in Jen back when Stan Lee was writing the book. That line might be a call back to the comicbook. I could be wrong though, that was a long time ago.
About the diversity issue from the comic book side of things: No one should think that ONLY people of the same demographic can write a comic book character, but in Marvel comics, some pretty magical things have happened when a comic book was turned over to a writer of the same demographic. For example, back when Carol Danvers was Ms. Marvel, sidekick of Captain Marvel, there was a super creepy story in which she was brainwashed into marrying someone, and none of the other heroes acted like this was a big deal. Chris Claremont, then writer of the X-Men, became enraged by this, and so he brought the character in to the X-Men comics, and made her much more powerful, while also wiping her memory in order to completely retcon the whole rape-marriage story. These stories made her one of the biggest heavy hitters among Marvel heroes and also brought a lot of pathos to the character's story and character development. The character wouldn't be where she is without a male writer getting angry about that creepy rape-marriage story, but when a female writer took over the comic book, she brought it to a whole new level and turned her into a female empowerment icon. In the early days of Black Panther, white writers did good and interesting things. Stan Lee introduced black futurism to a white audience before the term "black futurism" was even coined. But it was when a black writer named Christopher Priest took over that the modern Black Panther took shape, especially the Dora Milaje and some of the "James Bond" elements of the character. And sadly, the Kamala Khan comics petered out when they turned over the writing to someone less familiar with Pakistani-Americans because a big part of what makes that story work is Kamala trying to navigate between her parents' culture and American culture. Lastly, when you're doing a movie or a TV show, there are going to be multiple writers, in which case you need at least some people from that demographic just to act as a safety valve in case the other writers want to do something that just doesn't work or that would anger the parts of the audience that share that demographic.
There were actually 2 Hulk movies, the first starred Eric Bana & Jennifer Connolly in 2003, 5 years before Edward Norton's version. The first movie was not well received, but it had some good moments. I liked Sam Elliott as General Ross. Evidently She Hulk was breaking the fourth wall before Deadpool.
regarding the catcalling: a trigger is also fear. it's not just anger. it's also fear. this is the third reaction video I've seen in which people point that out and totally miss the point that she hulked out from fear.
The difference between Banner and Walters is that Banner actually has DID (like Moon Knight) from years of being abused as a child. Banner and Hulk are two distinct personalities. Jen doesn't have that so Jen, just like Blonsky (Abomination), the only personality is in control of the Hulk body.
I enjoyed the first episode, had some good humor and am excited to see more of the slice of life aspect of being a superhero and one that doesnt necessarily want to be a superhero. The only thing that felt out of place to me was her talk with hulk when he was trying to help her. think Jens speech about her experience as a woman is very valid & important and needs to be said but I think in context, her saying it to hulk specifically and saying that she can control her anger better and “infinitely” more than him doesn’t land as well as it couldve. Bruce has experienced a lot as a result of being a hulk. Such as the loss he’s gone through, the past 10+ years of fighting between two beings internally, fighting for the sake of humanity and saving the universe, losing the woman he loved and a friend in Tony Stark, and all the mental issues & suicidal thoughts he’s experienced throughout all of this because hes a hulk. Hulk is coming from a place of trying to help not only another hulk but it’s own his own family. Also she was about to hulk out and beat the crap out of the 4 dudes at the bar so his training is needed to help her. I think her having that speech should have been with another person.
Yep, totally, agree with you and her speech is even worse when you realise that Bruce have been dealing with his father abusing him as a child and the murder of his mom long before becoming Hulk.
She isn't supposed to be 100% correct, it's the first episode. Tons of what Bruce laid out ended up happening to her, that whole scene is about setting a baseline for her character growth.
Bruce basically has a form of multiple personality disorder. Hulk is a secondary personality completely so Bruce and hulk have to argue over control. She hulk is just one person no split personality at all so she controls it easily and has basically always been able to control her bulk powers with relative ease
Just a point, Bruce was more susceptible to raging out because he has DID caused by being abused by his father as a child, like Moon Knight his alters took on different personalities, which are the different kinds of Hulks. Jennifer has a smaller gamma dose and no alters which allows her much more refined control, but the comics have shown her losing control before, and she gets stronger if she absorbs more radiation.
I'm half Japanese, and I've been eating junk food with chopsticks pretty much my whole life for exactly the reason Jen does. Comic book lore: you can get superpowers from Hulk's blood, but it depends on your genes, and depending on your genes, you could get completely different superpowers. Jen is his cousin, so her powers are pretty similar to his. The villain The Leader got enhanced intelligence instead of enhanced strength, for example. Bruce Banner's psychiatrist dr Samson got a weaker version of Hulk's powers and long green hair (but not green skin). Doc Samson is like Jen in that he thinks of himself as a psychiatrist and denies being a superhero at all even though the superhero world keeps sucking him in. This episode really made me want to see Totally Awesome Hulk, because that is all about a very smart brother-sister pair bickering constantly. You could save money on CGI just by showing things from the sister's point of view, and keep everyone entertained with the constant bickering. I agree completely. I'm starting to like the shows more than the movies. We get a lot more story, a lot more character development, and each show feels very different from the others. Explanation about why Jen can control her transformations: Originally, she transformed when she got angry just like Bruce, but this led to people making a lot of really sexist PMS jokes, so they just gave her conscious control over her transformations. Like Bruce, she does get stronger and bigger the angrier she is. I'm glad that they addressed a number of things women have to deal with. The comic book skirts a fine line between being sexy/sex-positive, while also criticizing the sexualized portrayal of women in popular media. I'm pretty sure the She-Hulk comic was the first time in popular media that anyone portrayed a muscular woman as sexy. And please don't complain about She-Hulk being overt with feminist complaints. She's famous for breaking the fourth wall to *criticize the audience* (very Andy Kaufman-esque) for buying more comic books when there are more sexualized images of women in those comic books (she also breaks the 4th wall to criticize Marvel editors over this). Being very blunt and direct about women's issues is very much in line with the source material. If they follow the stories from the comic books, she will eventually get angry enough to really lose control and get really big muscles. By the way, Bruce Banner has dissociative identity disorder like Moon Knight. He just has fewer personalities. Hulk has superpowers, Bruce Banner doesn't (at least until those two personalities merged). There is a third personality that both Banner and Hulk hate more than they hate each other. He's not as strong as the Hulk, but is really strong, not as smart as Banner but really smart. He is also utterly amoral. He doesn't manifest very often because Hulk and Banner hate his guts, but when he manifests, he generally runs off to Las Vegas and gets involved in organized crime there, where he is known as Mr. Fixit. Mr. Fixit does fight crime enough to keep the cops off of his back (very cynically), but his focus is building a criminal empire in Las Vegas. So the real-world explanation for why Jennifer doesn't have multiple personalities is that they want to avoid the inevitable sexist PMS jokes. The in-universe explanation is that Bruce has Dissociative Identity Disorder and Jen doesn't.
I think it's well established that he does not have expertise here because Jennifer's mind is a completely different thing from his. She's her own person. He does not have expertise about who Jennifer is. She does.
@@griffinshaffer83 that's the dumbest shit i've ever heard. He's a nuclear physicist, and the only human up to that point who had the ability to absorb gamma radiation. "He does not hav expertise about who Jennifer is". What, are you going to tell your doctor who has dealt with cancer patients before that he doesn't know anything about the cancer you are having, because "he doesn't have experience about who *Eric Ferrey* is"? You have about as much logical thought in that head of yours as a squashed ant.
Honestly, going into these Disney+ shows with no expectations is the absolute best thing to do! I LOVED this first episode and it perfectly balanced comedy and the seriousness Also Tatiana is my new celeb crush, she’s so cute haha
@@Mrsplifferdoodle well, actually the iron legion head has a really deep meaning for Tony and Bruce. That half destroyed head symbolizes the project they worked together on, as well as representing both the failure Ultron ended up being (and so the lesson learned from that) and the instrument for peace it was meant to be. For me, this is more than "just" remembering Tony
Tatiana Maslany is legit top 10 best actress working today and finally this is going to give her the high profile attention that she's deserved for like 8-9 years now.
She’s number 1 for me, closely followed by Jodie Comer xx Glad that so many more people will get to experience how talented Tatiana Maslany is and hopefully it leads more people to get into Orphan Black because it’s legit my fave tv show of all time xx
out of curiosity: how did the latest marvel shows do in terms of viewership? just asking because the expectation seems to be that this will be here to stay lol.
@@danii7584 Mrs Marvel had incredible high ratings with incredibly low viewership. Afaik even the opening episode had like less than half compared to shows like Loki and Wandavision.
Think of it as Bruce has to deal with 2 people in one body and Jen as one person who can use two bodies. Plus Bruce's traumatic past and all the anger he has built up through years of abuse has caused another personality. A lot of her comics touch on the aspects of Jen being a better version of Hulk but lacks the brute strength and aggressiveness, she's always been aware of her world and what she can do. She's dated a good amount of superheros in Hulk form which Bruce can't plus she is the OG 4th wall breaker before DP's time, there is a lot of substance to Jen and She-Hulk, happy to see the Jade Giant in all her CGI glory!
No you guys have just been brainwashed with this women right men wrong shit, you don’t need to invalidate a mans Trauma to make yours seem more important and you also don’t need to make all men misogynistic psycho rapists to show the power of a female hero, she should be her own character who can grow and develop and maybe even learn something 😱, rather than just being a character who can do no wrong. At this point in time she is literally feminist propaganda 🤷🏿♂️
25:14 the medium comes in where they actually focus on writing good female characters and not "I have the same powers as my male counter part + i'm stronger because you know female empowerment + oh yeah did I mention I'M A FEMALE"..........using the struggles as a woman as part of her character is not necessary to make her a good character. They should focus on making her a good character not a good female character otherwise why need her when we already have the hulk?
True. And as we've seen until now, she keeps complaining about so many things and barely taking any action on anything. For example, whenever she complains about stuff next to her paralegal friend, she [the paralegal] at leasts tries to make her see the good side of getting the powers and tries to push her to do shit. *Her paralegal:* - Tells Jane to have fun at the bar after she reveals her power and gains popularity; - Tries to motivate Jane to keep looking for a good job (instead of giving up and going for something like a mascot) after Jane get's fired; - Tells Jane to appreciate the new and better looking office and job she got as She-hulk; - Tells Jane that she can try to get a good guy if she keeps using the dating app (also tells her to get a better photo for it); - She goes after someone "special/with talent" to make good clothes for Jane in episode 5; - She will even lie about Jane being an Avenger if that helps Jane get better stuff (which is morally bad, but at least it's interesting); - FOR GOD'S SAKE, she is even the one to tell Jane to transform to save people in the court on the first episode; *She basically pushes Jane to do anything!* Althought the paralegal might be a bit annoying and clearly *at least* morally ambiguous, she is a much more interesting character to be She-hulk, because she doesn't complain like a *Tiger pistol shrimp* and her moral ambiguity might lead to crazy consequences that can come up later for her to face and build her character. But that's if the writters were good at creating actual good comedy with space to develop complex flawed characters.
29:25 *Laughs awkwardly in Old Man Logan* I don't know if the show or future MCU projects will go this route but, as a frame of reference, in the comics the Hulk has a lot in common with Moon Knight, in that he also has to deal with multiple identities inhabiting the same body. If i'm not mistaken, the regular Hulk persona, as an entity, represents Bruce's childhood trauma from his abusive father and the gamma radiation only gave a physical form to said trauma, for lack of a better way to explain it.
I finally decided to watch this show last night.....watched all 9 episodes 😅 I really enjoyed it! I heard some people online hate it....probably the exact type parodied in the show. Those people suck.
Bruce's "Hulk" alter ego [at least in the comics] is born of childhood trauma he suffered at the hands of his abusive father. Jen Walters didn't have that kind of childhood, therefore no rage monster alter ego.
Anybody else would've died from the gamma radiation is Bruce's blood but because they have some of the same genetics Jen's blood was able to transform her instead of killing her.
the blood thing, On 2008 Hulk it already happened, Abomination and the doctor and stan lee cameo(although he hot sick or died) but it did happen already
yeah but when you pay attention & take notes it's easier to make sense during a discussion than if you're just shouting nonsense & not really paying attention, so it's hardly surprising tbf. 🙂👍
The others feeling like some things were a bit heavy handed isn't crazy. I was a little split on some parts of the conversation but I think it's completely understandable why they feel that way.
They've now done the cut off f bomb four times. This time, end of Homecoming with Aunt May finding out Peter is Spider-Man, Nick Fury in Infinity War as he gets snapped away and Far From Home/No Way Home when Mysterio reveals Peters secret identity.
Exactly. Banner’s situation is similar to Marc’s from Moon Knight. Both have DID which came from having abusive parents, & it’s made them into dangerous people.
Christ. There were ways to do that scene between Hulk and She-Hulk properly. This wasn’t it. Jen, up until this point, has lived a fairly normal life. Average woman with a good career (and all that unfortunately may entail, yes). In comparison, her cousin Bruce has been hunted by multiple governments with lethal intentions, fought in multiple battles to save the Earth, been unable to love not one but TWO special women because of his condition, physically lost one of those women forever. and was directly involved in the death of half of the world by not being able to stop Thanos. He has been feared, hunted, shunned, manipulated, used, framed, etc. All because he has a monstrous being of rage inside of him. Oh, and he’s literally tried to kill himself by putting a gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger. That’s not counting the DARK depths of his comic book origins. That’s just MCU stuff. So, her whole spiel about the struggles of being a woman and having to control her anger come off as completely dismissive, insecure, narcissistic, and vapid in that scene. That could have been used to tease an arc of growth for her character, except the show doesn’t act like anything about what she said was wrong. If she had said that to any other character, almost, it might have landed and been powerful. But to BRUCE BANNER? It just reeked of a heavy handed self insert from the writers.
hey all love the reaction, i agree with the laying it on thick comment. since no one is saying it i guess i have to. that is one thing that is becoming more apparent not only in Marvel shows but shows in general for a long time now. a lot the shows coming out have a twinge of something to them. u mean in the sense of showing one thing with a stereotype slant of that thing. that was what made the super girl of the arrowverse sometimes hard to watch. strong together woman is a good thing, the superior to men slant not so much. it was very slight more of an undertone but still there. that is the machine pushing these stereotypes on us in a attempt to keep them going and hold us back from becoming more doesn't anyone get that. we are what we choose to be. we can choose to be the best human beings we can or not. looking at this couch i see 5 people that i honestly enjoy watching. all labels and descriptions do is keep us from becoming more if what we can be. i hope that someday we can all ditch this excess baggage and be free again as when we love each other for who we are on the inside pure and child like. god bless you all and have a great day.
Mark 6:27. Hehe! In the comics she explained the lack of bare breasts by showing us the label of her clothing! "APPROVED BY THE COMICS CODE AUTHORITY" if I recall correctly. 😂 So CB Magic basically! 🎩
She-Hulk is 100% in Los Angeles she says it in the show, and you see 2 of her UCLA diplomas in the back on the wall in her office also in the comics she was based in L.A thus why she was a member of the West coast Avengers.
Also, those dudes WERE following her "Hey, we're just being nice" a woman, alone outside a bar, several creepy guys? She's well within her rights to transform, that wasn't uncontrolled anger, that was a rational response to several dudes not JUST cat-calling her, but cat-calling her and following her at night outside a bar.
I see that a lot of people are mad that she hulk is "better" then hulk but i wanted to point out that this is not true. First off hulk took 15 years because he had DID and though he thinks its from hulk he had it before he was hulk. Second off she hulk is more flexable then hulk because yes she is a woman and this is biologically true for most women but hulk is stronger then she hulk because he is a man which is biologically true for most men and if a man wants he can train himself to be more flexable like a woman can train to be stronger. And the part about anger management, women are usually told off more for showing anger, but hulk also had DID so he didnt only have to calm down but also switch back from a different identity all together making it harder.
Ahh, so you like women sexually abusing and almost murdering men for no reason. Also trashing the legacies of the two tallest heroes of the MCU, Tony and Cap, for... being the wrong gender. Also portraying misandry AND mysogny to an INSANE level.
She-Hulk saying she has it harder than Bruce Banner She-Hulk: Don't mansplain me with this Hulk stuff, I already have to deal with men trying to tell me how to do my job Bruce's struggles: - My boy Bruce was a human experiment since birth all the way to his childhood - His dad killed his mom. - The father of his first love hunted him down through all of the American continent back and forth. Not to mention the fact he couldn't get stressed in any way (incapable of getting angry or even getting laid). - He started to have a "normal life" in Calcuta, far away from any conflict, to get dragged once again for the greater good and suffer once again. - The second love of his life, dead. - One of his closest friends, dead. - Being forced by Wanda to destroy an entire city and a gigantic feeling of remorse after that. - Trapped in the body of his co-host in another planet for 2 years. - After being stuck in Hulk's body for that longo, didn't even get a second of peace, until Thanos beat his ass. - Watch himself how half the f*cking universe banished from existence. - Lose an arm in order to get half of the universe back. - Still being afraid of losing control, and the feeling of guilt of all Hulk's past damage to the human race. - Fear that his beloved cousin has to go through the same ton of crap he went through. She-Hulk's struggles: - Being cat-called in the streets. - Get mansplained in her job. Seriously???
And the worst part about this scene is the fact even Jennifer acknowledges Bruce’s trauma and then brushes it aside like it wasn’t a big deal AND then goes on to say how men try to tell her how to do her how to handle her area of expertise while trying to tell Bruce how to handle his area of expertise. If you really listen to her, she just comes off as a hypocrite. But another thing people seemed to not notice or care about, was Jen was full of shit, she doesn’t know how to control her anger and they showed that by her hulking out at the end of the conversation. Then to top it off, the actual truth makes it all far worse. The only reason Jen can control it “better” is because Bruce was exposed to far more gamma radiation than she ever was. The Savage She Hulk run showed us what Jennifer Is like after more exposure and she’s exactly the same as Bruce is with Savage Hulk. Just another case of the writers forcing bullshit on the audience while not knowing or caring for the source material.
Bruce actually has DID he's the only Hulk that has had an alter. In the comics She hulk, Red Hulk, and even Abomination stayed who they are when they transform.
@@queefburglarr The MCU has been around for 14 years now. It makes sense that some people may think the MCU is all Marvel is. Especially kids that weren't even born yet when Iron Man came out.
There is something that the movies has not show yet. Bruce had an abusive father and a lot of trauma, thats why he splits in a monster hulk, Jen had a normal childhood so she does not have split personality
Damn. If She hulk can clap like that 15:26 imagine the backshots bruh. Everything in a half mile radius would have their eardrums blown the fuck out 💀💀
you guys are misunderstanding ravi. shes suggesting that at the point when jen receives the gamma radiation that radiation has evolved on a molecular level. where as bruce got that radiation in its original format he nurtured that and past it on to her in a more experienced and sophisticated format allowing her to recieve it and build on it.. exactly how human genetic cod is build upon generation after generation.
This is where the fun begins!!!! So satisfying to see Tatiana Mansley playing a role again! Especially a superhero character. Loved her in Orphan Black! 🙏🏽💪👏
Ahh, so you like women sexually abusing and almost murdering men for no reason. Also trashing the legacies of the two tallest heroes of the MCU, Tony and Cap, for... being the wrong gender. Also portraying misandry AND mysogny to an INSANE level.
1:12 YES guys, I can't stress enough how much I'd love for some of you to watch Orphan Black :D But I know I'm not the only one who already told you so and I know you know that, so ... I guess we'll just see what keeps going on with your lives over the next couple of years ;)
Nobody noticed when She Hulk and Hulk scream at each other when they are fighting, She Hulk's muscles get slightly bigger cause she's angrier. The angrier a Hulk is the bigger it gets. Its a slight change but its noticeable. I hope they show her get as big as Hulk if not its ok
That's false.. Hulks don't get bigger the madder they get.. It is only Bruce that has that power,his various Hulk personas definitely have different sizes. Also Bruce is the only Hulk that gets stronger the madder he gets(although Mcu has virtually ignored Hulk's core powers which is sad). Also why would you want She-Hulk to be as big as the Hulk?? They tried that in the comics and it sucked.. all you would be doing is making her less special and making her even more of a copy of OG Hulk.
@@sgcastle8389 Mcu's Hulk doesn't get stronger the madder he gets (which is a shame). It was only Norton's version that got stronger the madder he got.. Sadly since Ruffalo took over Mcu has been ignoring Hulk's core powers.. Mcu has nerfed the Hulk so much it's sad.
Bruce mentioned that fear and anxiety is also a triggering factor so it wasnt anger at the guys it was the anxiety and fear from being cat called that transformed her
This is so good and fun to watch. And with the cameos (to come), the MCU stuff they've talked about (in the first episode alone), it just opens so many possibilities for future MCU projects. Oh and love Tatiana Maslany as She Hulk. And "preachy" is okay when it's based on reality, it's well-written and it's meant to represent something that hasn't been represented before (or barely).
Ahh, so you like women sexually abusing and almost murdering men for no reason. Also trashing the legacies of the two tallest heroes of the MCU, Tony and Cap, for... being the wrong gender. Also portraying misandry AND mysogny to an INSANE level.
Bruce's area of expertise is alter ego monster rage hulk, not in control, smart Hulk, Bruce is speaking from his uncontrollable Hulk experience, not this, this is new to him too, as he said in this episode "this is unprecedented" "I've never seen this before" "this is *all new territory* " Bruce is cautious and that's okay, but he is projecting, Jen has 10% or less of the gamma that Bruce does and none of his alter ego or trauma, she does NOT have the same issues as Bruce and doesn't have be as cautious
Tatiana Maslany is the most underrated actress plus she is gorgeous and so sweet. this show is so good, that she will finally get the recognition she deserves. And hopefully, you guys will watch Orphan Black after you neglected the first episode.
@@Phanthief95 Orphan black is an amazing show! Enjoy ! After watching the first episode, i believe She Hulk is going to be one of the favorite new Avenger
Jen is better able to adapt to being a hulk because she seems to be far more emotionally stable where as Bruce is a mess when started as the Hulk. I can't speak from the comics but MCU Bruce has always seemed emotionally unstable and very timid.
Yeah, the MCU hasn't touched on it a lot, but they've implied his history is somewhat similar to his comic version, who was abused by his father as a kid and he developed DID and the Hulk personality was already part of him before getting his powers.
While yes she is correct that Bruce is projecting. It's for good reason. If not for him her first outrage would have killed people. And not just the guys harassing her. Regardless this show is definitely going to prove that as much better control she is in she needs to take into consideration her life cannot be normal from now on. And the wrong move could put hulk powers into another person like Bruce's dad or abomination. They are both correct. But caution is more important with the size of the stakes
She hulk in the comics to my knowledge although having been shown to rage out like hulk multiple times has been shown to be more or less in control from the start and in the Mcu it has been shown that banners blood is dangerous and the whole point of his movie was that people wanted his blood and it ended up making abomination and the leader who was presumably defeated offscreen or something
Bruce's abusive father created the hulk alter ego that comes out to defend him. It's almost like moonknight condition except is not advanced to the point it takes over when he's conscious.
what the fuck are you bullshitting here
Did you just describe Killer Frost?
No its not bc its nothing like moonknights DiD. And its very ableist to compare it bc theres no " not as advanced".
@@wisewillowgames You're so far up your own ass. It is VERY similar to a DID personality taking over, and the fact you changed 'not advanced to" to "not as advanced" shows your bias. Go outside for fucks sake you entitled douche.
Your right but it’s kinda like schizophrenic behavior too
A lot of people miss the fact that Bruce was an abused child, which is probably why Jennifer points out his decades of trauma. This is probably why he took so long to adjust
this version doesnt seem traumatized, hes just goofy relaxed Mark Ruffalo
@@andyrobin7196 The Hulk movies are broad strokes canon to the MCU, so his traumatic childhood is canon. He's just had decades to deal with it (and he points that out in the episode)
well i wonder why, may have to do something with mcu not showing that to audiences or something
Realize, Bruce is the only Hulk with DID, the trauma starts with him not the power
@@andyrobin7196 "goofy releaxe Mark Ruffalo" is the only character in Disney with a canonical suicide attempt out of loneliness and desperation.
In the 2008 Hulk movie, it was stated that Bruce’s blood is incredibly toxic and even a drop can kill a normal human being. That’s why Bruce was trying to keep Jen away from his blood while she had open wounds.
Also, I’m glad Jen called Bruce out over the fact that ever since he became the Hulk, he has been running from his past trauma (Severe childhood abuse) and hasn’t truly dealt with it.
4:53 Thank you for pointing out that She-Hulk broke the fourth wall in the comics before Deadpool. I've heard too many people say that can't be right
People need to remember the Hulk was created as an attempt to recreate the Super Soldier Serum, which brings what's inside, in Banner's case it was his repressed traumatic childhood anger, in Jen's case... nothing, since she was just a normal person.
You can tell Bruce really misses Tony just by the way he talks about him
I’m surprised no one ever thought that since Bruce took a huge amount of Gamma radiation that this could be the reason he took so long to control it. Jennifer possibly is getting a diluted dose from some drops of blood while Bruce took the full brunt of it. So that may be why she’s more able to control it.
Bruce can't control it because of his traumatic past that Disney absolutely refuses to mention
Nope. Bruce was mentally ill. The comics outright admit that, many many times.
@@lukes.854 Didn't Jen mention it in this episode? Saying that he has yet to deal with his messed up trauma while she was telling him off?
Not likely that. Abomination can control it and keep his personality out of the gate too. It is just Bruce's rage monster personality that he is dealing with. Almost like he has DID.
@@lukes.854 she literally mentioned it in the episode…. did you watch it?
She's also ranting about how had her life is and how hard it is to control her anger to the one person in the world who can't afford to be angry and also tried to kill himself because he's seen as a monster.
The mask they show at Hulk’s bungalow is Ultron’s mask. I believe it’s there to serve as a reminder to him and Tony, to never get that reckless ever again with their experiments.
I feel like, of all the Normies, Navi would be the scariest one when mad. Like imagine an angry Navi stare…? 🤔😨
Yeah she always has a smile on her face ....I'd be scared if she actually was angry
Oh dang, you might be right 😂
@@josearroyo8008 you know what they say, the nicest people have the scariest tempers.
I remember her getting everyone in line one time when they were talking over her: "I'm STILL talking, guys!" Everyone quiet😅 yeah I can imagine her being a bit scary angry
Nah Suraj has that cold rage thats ego-hardened from the path to the top... I mean that in the nicest way too.
Regarding the blood convo, don’t forget Abomination. His blood was used before.
That wasn't Hulk's blood. That was modified copycat captain america serum they'd been trying to recreate since ww2 ended. They;d been experimenting with different formulas but didn't have anyone else to try it out on until Blonsky volunteered. That's what Banner was working on. After he hulked out they kept working on it and whatever they gave Blonsky is something similar, but different.
@@desmoove I'm fairly sure Blonsky got a dose of Hulk's blood when he gets Doctor Sterns to inject him with one of the samples of it that turned him into Abomination.
@@desmoove It’s essentially the same serum that Steve was given, except Steve’s serum was radiated with Erskein’s experimental Vita-rays and Blonsky’s serum was radiated with Gamma rays.
That’s why his body reacted the way it did when he injected with the formula created from Banner’s blood, which goes back to what Erskein’s said before that his serum simply enhances what the person is on the inside.
In Steve’s case, the ideal person with good morals and the strength to back it up. In Jen’s case, a sexy confident powerful woman to match her powerful mind.
@@desmoove Blonsky did get an experimental super soldier serum, which caused him to get stronger, grow some elongated spinal plates, and become a bit more irrational, but he did not transform into Abomination until he was injected a separate time with Gamma irradiated blood, which Sam Sterns synthesized from Bruce's own blood
She broke the fourth wall before Deadpool even existed, you goofs :D
The reason why banner has two personalities is because he was abused as a child by his father, which made him develop a split personality i believe. when he got the gamma radiation it applied to both.
Allow me to join the chorus of people telling you that She Hulk was breaking the 4th wall in her comic before Deadpool even had his own.
It's not because "men have anger issues".
Bruce hasn't realized it yet, but the Hulk personality wasn't created by his transformation, he ALWAYS had multiple personalities due to his father abusing him as child. His alter gained control of the Hulk body because the 'Bruce' personality had always retreated from violent situations.
Point of order! (chronological order, that is...) She-Hulk was breaking the fourth wall in the comics BEFORE Deadpool did. She-Hulk #3 (1989): "You readers will probably find out on the next page!" Deadpool did first appear in New Mutants #98 (1983), six years prior to She-Hulk. However, his first solo comic wasn't until 1994, five years after She-Hulk. More importantly, he didn't break the fourth wall until Deadpool #28 in 1997, by Joe Kelly and Pete Woods, eight years after She-Hulk first did. And it didn't become a regular feature of Deadpool until his comic run by Joe Kelly and Ed McGuinness, which started in 2016, 27 years after She-Hulk did it. (She-Hulk was the last main character created by Stan Lee before he left the publishing side of Marvel Entertainment.)
1983 was the year the first issue of New Mutants came out. New Mutants 98 (Deadpool’s first appearance) came out Dec 1990.
In the comics Jennifer herself states that her cousin bruce is about 1000 times stronger than her which is kind of displayed in the rock throwing scene. He never hulks full out during their fight because bruce always has the fear of loosing control to The Hulk.
The thing I've always wondered is since She-Hulk gets exponentially stronger if Jen trains and gets stronger, doesn't that mean there's a theoretical limit to how strong She-Hulk can get (forgetting for a minute that there now isn't, as she's been powered up and is physically most likely the strongest female hero in the Marvel universe)? Like as a regular human Jen can only get so strong and develop so much muscle. So shouldn't (pre powerup) She Hulk essentially only be able to get exponentially stronger than Jen's strongest? Obviously this assumes non anger She Hulk.
@@robertcampbell8070 you almost had it, basically instead of getting stronger the angrier she gets like bruce, she only gets stronger as she trains in her hulk body, and the limit is however far she can push her body in hulk form
@@yamamato910 That's incorrect. The stronger she gets as Jen, the stronger she is as She Hulk. After she was easily beaten by the Champion, she trained for months as Jen, getting significantly stronger. When she went to She Hulk form to fight him again, she had significantly more muscle mass and was able to easily defeat him despite wearing a strength inhibiting suit.
I mean in the comics, can’t Hulk like punch the universe apart or some ridiculous thing like that? I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’s much stronger
@@robertcampbell8070 who did She-Hulk defeat???
I'm not positive on this one, but I think I remember a catcalling incedent almost triggering a transformation in Jen back when Stan Lee was writing the book. That line might be a call back to the comicbook. I could be wrong though, that was a long time ago.
About the diversity issue from the comic book side of things:
No one should think that ONLY people of the same demographic can write a comic book character, but in Marvel comics, some pretty magical things have happened when a comic book was turned over to a writer of the same demographic.
For example, back when Carol Danvers was Ms. Marvel, sidekick of Captain Marvel, there was a super creepy story in which she was brainwashed into marrying someone, and none of the other heroes acted like this was a big deal. Chris Claremont, then writer of the X-Men, became enraged by this, and so he brought the character in to the X-Men comics, and made her much more powerful, while also wiping her memory in order to completely retcon the whole rape-marriage story. These stories made her one of the biggest heavy hitters among Marvel heroes and also brought a lot of pathos to the character's story and character development. The character wouldn't be where she is without a male writer getting angry about that creepy rape-marriage story, but when a female writer took over the comic book, she brought it to a whole new level and turned her into a female empowerment icon.
In the early days of Black Panther, white writers did good and interesting things. Stan Lee introduced black futurism to a white audience before the term "black futurism" was even coined. But it was when a black writer named Christopher Priest took over that the modern Black Panther took shape, especially the Dora Milaje and some of the "James Bond" elements of the character.
And sadly, the Kamala Khan comics petered out when they turned over the writing to someone less familiar with Pakistani-Americans because a big part of what makes that story work is Kamala trying to navigate between her parents' culture and American culture.
Lastly, when you're doing a movie or a TV show, there are going to be multiple writers, in which case you need at least some people from that demographic just to act as a safety valve in case the other writers want to do something that just doesn't work or that would anger the parts of the audience that share that demographic.
There were actually 2 Hulk movies, the first starred Eric Bana & Jennifer Connolly in 2003, 5 years before Edward Norton's version. The first movie was not well received, but it had some good moments. I liked Sam Elliott as General Ross. Evidently She Hulk was breaking the fourth wall before Deadpool.
regarding the catcalling: a trigger is also fear. it's not just anger. it's also fear. this is the third reaction video I've seen in which people point that out and totally miss the point that she hulked out from fear.
Love this outfit and makeup on Rana 💜 what a great debut episode.
And I'm pretty sure her blood samples being shown to be destroyed is a chekhov gun. It will come to pass that eventually we will get more hulk family.
The difference between Banner and Walters is that Banner actually has DID (like Moon Knight) from years of being abused as a child. Banner and Hulk are two distinct personalities. Jen doesn't have that so Jen, just like Blonsky (Abomination), the only personality is in control of the Hulk body.
I enjoyed the first episode, had some good humor and am excited to see more of the slice of life aspect of being a superhero and one that doesnt necessarily want to be a superhero. The only thing that felt out of place to me was her talk with hulk when he was trying to help her. think Jens speech about her experience as a woman is very valid & important and needs to be said but I think in context, her saying it to hulk specifically and saying that she can control her anger better and “infinitely” more than him doesn’t land as well as it couldve. Bruce has experienced a lot as a result of being a hulk. Such as the loss he’s gone through, the past 10+ years of fighting between two beings internally, fighting for the sake of humanity and saving the universe, losing the woman he loved and a friend in Tony Stark, and all the mental issues & suicidal thoughts he’s experienced throughout all of this because hes a hulk. Hulk is coming from a place of trying to help not only another hulk but it’s own his own family. Also she was about to hulk out and beat the crap out of the 4 dudes at the bar so his training is needed to help her. I think her having that speech should have been with another person.
Yep, totally, agree with you and her speech is even worse when you realise that Bruce have been dealing with his father abusing him as a child and the murder of his mom long before becoming Hulk.
She isn't supposed to be 100% correct, it's the first episode. Tons of what Bruce laid out ended up happening to her, that whole scene is about setting a baseline for her character growth.
Bruce basically has a form of multiple personality disorder. Hulk is a secondary personality completely so Bruce and hulk have to argue over control. She hulk is just one person no split personality at all so she controls it easily and has basically always been able to control her bulk powers with relative ease
Just a point, Bruce was more susceptible to raging out because he has DID caused by being abused by his father as a child, like Moon Knight his alters took on different personalities, which are the different kinds of Hulks. Jennifer has a smaller gamma dose and no alters which allows her much more refined control, but the comics have shown her losing control before, and she gets stronger if she absorbs more radiation.
I'm half Japanese, and I've been eating junk food with chopsticks pretty much my whole life for exactly the reason Jen does.
Comic book lore: you can get superpowers from Hulk's blood, but it depends on your genes, and depending on your genes, you could get completely different superpowers. Jen is his cousin, so her powers are pretty similar to his. The villain The Leader got enhanced intelligence instead of enhanced strength, for example. Bruce Banner's psychiatrist dr Samson got a weaker version of Hulk's powers and long green hair (but not green skin). Doc Samson is like Jen in that he thinks of himself as a psychiatrist and denies being a superhero at all even though the superhero world keeps sucking him in.
This episode really made me want to see Totally Awesome Hulk, because that is all about a very smart brother-sister pair bickering constantly. You could save money on CGI just by showing things from the sister's point of view, and keep everyone entertained with the constant bickering.
I agree completely. I'm starting to like the shows more than the movies. We get a lot more story, a lot more character development, and each show feels very different from the others.
Explanation about why Jen can control her transformations: Originally, she transformed when she got angry just like Bruce, but this led to people making a lot of really sexist PMS jokes, so they just gave her conscious control over her transformations. Like Bruce, she does get stronger and bigger the angrier she is.
I'm glad that they addressed a number of things women have to deal with. The comic book skirts a fine line between being sexy/sex-positive, while also criticizing the sexualized portrayal of women in popular media. I'm pretty sure the She-Hulk comic was the first time in popular media that anyone portrayed a muscular woman as sexy.
And please don't complain about She-Hulk being overt with feminist complaints. She's famous for breaking the fourth wall to *criticize the audience* (very Andy Kaufman-esque) for buying more comic books when there are more sexualized images of women in those comic books (she also breaks the 4th wall to criticize Marvel editors over this). Being very blunt and direct about women's issues is very much in line with the source material.
If they follow the stories from the comic books, she will eventually get angry enough to really lose control and get really big muscles.
By the way, Bruce Banner has dissociative identity disorder like Moon Knight. He just has fewer personalities. Hulk has superpowers, Bruce Banner doesn't (at least until those two personalities merged). There is a third personality that both Banner and Hulk hate more than they hate each other. He's not as strong as the Hulk, but is really strong, not as smart as Banner but really smart. He is also utterly amoral. He doesn't manifest very often because Hulk and Banner hate his guts, but when he manifests, he generally runs off to Las Vegas and gets involved in organized crime there, where he is known as Mr. Fixit. Mr. Fixit does fight crime enough to keep the cops off of his back (very cynically), but his focus is building a criminal empire in Las Vegas.
So the real-world explanation for why Jennifer doesn't have multiple personalities is that they want to avoid the inevitable sexist PMS jokes. The in-universe explanation is that Bruce has Dissociative Identity Disorder and Jen doesn't.
Will she join avengers
She Hulk: “Incompetent men explain my area of expertise to me”
Also she Hulk: an incompetent woman explaining Bruce’s area of expertise to him.
Bruce explaining his area of expertise: "im jealous" "This is new territory" *confusion envy*
Nasty woke trash. Only sheeple keep paying for Disney's leftist indoctrinating propaganda.
I'm never watching this show lol I saw a video of everything she said and I was heated
I think it's well established that he does not have expertise here because Jennifer's mind is a completely different thing from his. She's her own person. He does not have expertise about who Jennifer is. She does.
@@griffinshaffer83 that's the dumbest shit i've ever heard. He's a nuclear physicist, and the only human up to that point who had the ability to absorb gamma radiation. "He does not hav expertise about who Jennifer is". What, are you going to tell your doctor who has dealt with cancer patients before that he doesn't know anything about the cancer you are having, because "he doesn't have experience about who *Eric Ferrey* is"? You have about as much logical thought in that head of yours as a squashed ant.
One day...when they do get to Orphan Black...holy shit. Until then, here for everything else they do!
They watch the first episode only, look for it
Honestly, going into these Disney+ shows with no expectations is the absolute best thing to do! I LOVED this first episode and it perfectly balanced comedy and the seriousness
Also Tatiana is my new celeb crush, she’s so cute haha
If you liked Tatiana in this, I highly recommend checking out Orphan Black. She was great in that show.
She's unbearably cute in Parks and Rec.
100%
yes finally someone who looked at what is important there were a lot of people saying that the cgi was bad but the acting and the story is not bad
@@camilas9568 Thank you. It’s honestly sooooo annoying when EVERY time Marvel puts out content for us, they’re always saying it’s garbage
Three different reactions I have watched so far, and all three have said teach me how to Hulk to the tune of The Duggy. What are the odds?
I've heard it in 4 so far lol.
That's not tony's helmet. It's the Iron Legion head, specifically from the one Ultron took over originally in Age of Ultron.
Aw man I thought it was one of his last helmets he kept to remember him by. Thanks for the clarification though.
@@Mrsplifferdoodle well, actually the iron legion head has a really deep meaning for Tony and Bruce. That half destroyed head symbolizes the project they worked together on, as well as representing both the failure Ultron ended up being (and so the lesson learned from that) and the instrument for peace it was meant to be. For me, this is more than "just" remembering Tony
Tatiana Maslany is legit top 10 best actress working today and finally this is going to give her the high profile attention that she's deserved for like 8-9 years now.
She’s number 1 for me, closely followed by Jodie Comer xx Glad that so many more people will get to experience how talented Tatiana Maslany is and hopefully it leads more people to get into Orphan Black because it’s legit my fave tv show of all time xx
Top 10 is too low imo tatiana and jodie comer are fighting for the top spot
Agreed! I think The Normies should watch Orphan Black (not just ep1).
out of curiosity: how did the latest marvel shows do in terms of viewership? just asking because the expectation seems to be that this will be here to stay lol.
@@danii7584 Mrs Marvel had incredible high ratings with incredibly low viewership. Afaik even the opening episode had like less than half compared to shows like Loki and Wandavision.
Think of it as Bruce has to deal with 2 people in one body and Jen as one person who can use two bodies. Plus Bruce's traumatic past and all the anger he has built up through years of abuse has caused another personality. A lot of her comics touch on the aspects of Jen being a better version of Hulk but lacks the brute strength and aggressiveness, she's always been aware of her world and what she can do. She's dated a good amount of superheros in Hulk form which Bruce can't plus she is the OG 4th wall breaker before DP's time, there is a lot of substance to Jen and She-Hulk, happy to see the Jade Giant in all her CGI glory!
Wow their conversatiin makes me so infuriated the only sane one is rana there who is understanding the story correctly
Yes! Lol how could they get it so wrong?
@@Ninasanz83 seriously 😂
No you guys have just been brainwashed with this women right men wrong shit, you don’t need to invalidate a mans Trauma to make yours seem more important and you also don’t need to make all men misogynistic psycho rapists to show the power of a female hero, she should be her own character who can grow and develop and maybe even learn something 😱, rather than just being a character who can do no wrong. At this point in time she is literally feminist propaganda 🤷🏿♂️
25:14 the medium comes in where they actually focus on writing good female characters and not "I have the same powers as my male counter part + i'm stronger because you know female empowerment + oh yeah did I mention I'M A FEMALE"..........using the struggles as a woman as part of her character is not necessary to make her a good character. They should focus on making her a good character not a good female character otherwise why need her when we already have the hulk?
True. And as we've seen until now, she keeps complaining about so many things and barely taking any action on anything. For example, whenever she complains about stuff next to her paralegal friend, she [the paralegal] at leasts tries to make her see the good side of getting the powers and tries to push her to do shit.
*Her paralegal:*
- Tells Jane to have fun at the bar after she reveals her power and gains popularity;
- Tries to motivate Jane to keep looking for a good job (instead of giving up and going for something like a mascot) after Jane get's fired;
- Tells Jane to appreciate the new and better looking office and job she got as She-hulk;
- Tells Jane that she can try to get a good guy if she keeps using the dating app (also tells her to get a better photo for it);
- She goes after someone "special/with talent" to make good clothes for Jane in episode 5;
- She will even lie about Jane being an Avenger if that helps Jane get better stuff (which is morally bad, but at least it's interesting);
- FOR GOD'S SAKE, she is even the one to tell Jane to transform to save people in the court on the first episode;
*She basically pushes Jane to do anything!*
Althought the paralegal might be a bit annoying and clearly *at least* morally ambiguous, she is a much more interesting character to be She-hulk, because she doesn't complain like a *Tiger pistol shrimp* and her moral ambiguity might lead to crazy consequences that can come up later for her to face and build her character. But that's if the writters were good at creating actual good comedy with space to develop complex flawed characters.
29:25 *Laughs awkwardly in Old Man Logan*
I don't know if the show or future MCU projects will go this route but, as a frame of reference, in the comics the Hulk has a lot in common with Moon Knight, in that he also has to deal with multiple identities inhabiting the same body. If i'm not mistaken, the regular Hulk persona, as an entity, represents Bruce's childhood trauma from his abusive father and the gamma radiation only gave a physical form to said trauma, for lack of a better way to explain it.
I finally decided to watch this show last night.....watched all 9 episodes 😅 I really enjoyed it! I heard some people online hate it....probably the exact type parodied in the show. Those people suck.
Bruce's "Hulk" alter ego [at least in the comics] is born of childhood trauma he suffered at the hands of his abusive father.
Jen Walters didn't have that kind of childhood, therefore no rage monster alter ego.
13:31 the fact that the Normies didn’t acknowledge what she said and even agreed with her is actually disappointing.
Anybody else would've died from the gamma radiation is Bruce's blood but because they have some of the same genetics Jen's blood was able to transform her instead of killing her.
Sakaaran Class-Eight Courier Craft could lead to a Hulk movie for "World Breaker Hulk". We can get to see his kids.
"She is so right about what she just said" lol
I lowkey wanna see Rana as She Hulk lol
the blood thing, On 2008 Hulk it already happened, Abomination and the doctor and stan lee cameo(although he hot sick or died) but it did happen already
“Man explaining “ I think Suraj is onto something there..
Hulk's split personality is based on his own trauma that's kinda separate.
Feel so bad for Rana. She was the only one making any sense. I felt like an insane person watching your guys’ discussion.
That's why Rana is the best reactor from the Normies
Amen!! Thank God for her the other 2 girls were betraying women!
Seriously she was the only person who undertood what was going on
yeah but when you pay attention & take notes it's easier to make sense during a discussion than if you're just shouting nonsense & not really paying attention, so it's hardly surprising tbf. 🙂👍
The others feeling like some things were a bit heavy handed isn't crazy. I was a little split on some parts of the conversation but I think it's completely understandable why they feel that way.
Universal own the rights to Hulk films, last I knew. That's why we only got the one with Edward Norton and no sequels.
That Push reminded me of Hulk punching Thor in Avengers 1.
They've now done the cut off f bomb four times. This time, end of Homecoming with Aunt May finding out Peter is Spider-Man, Nick Fury in Infinity War as he gets snapped away and Far From Home/No Way Home when Mysterio reveals Peters secret identity.
Hulk had repressed anger from an abusive childhood that manifested into his hulk persona, it’s not all men are just angry
Exactly. Banner’s situation is similar to Marc’s from Moon Knight.
Both have DID which came from having abusive parents, & it’s made them into dangerous people.
Christ. There were ways to do that scene between Hulk and She-Hulk properly. This wasn’t it. Jen, up until this point, has lived a fairly normal life. Average woman with a good career (and all that unfortunately may entail, yes). In comparison, her cousin Bruce has been hunted by multiple governments with lethal intentions, fought in multiple battles to save the Earth, been unable to love not one but TWO special women because of his condition, physically lost one of those women forever. and was directly involved in the death of half of the world by not being able to stop Thanos. He has been feared, hunted, shunned, manipulated, used, framed, etc. All because he has a monstrous being of rage inside of him. Oh, and he’s literally tried to kill himself by putting a gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger.
That’s not counting the DARK depths of his comic book origins. That’s just MCU stuff.
So, her whole spiel about the struggles of being a woman and having to control her anger come off as completely dismissive, insecure, narcissistic, and vapid in that scene. That could have been used to tease an arc of growth for her character, except the show doesn’t act like anything about what she said was wrong.
If she had said that to any other character, almost, it might have landed and been powerful. But to BRUCE BANNER? It just reeked of a heavy handed self insert from the writers.
his split personalities are not because of him being a Hulk, it's just amplified by it
hey all love the reaction, i agree with the laying it on thick comment. since no one is saying it i guess i have to. that is one thing that is becoming more apparent not only in Marvel shows but shows in general for a long time now. a lot the shows coming out have a twinge of something to them. u mean in the sense of showing one thing with a stereotype slant of that thing. that was what made the super girl of the arrowverse sometimes hard to watch. strong together woman is a good thing, the superior to men slant not so much. it was very slight more of an undertone but still there. that is the machine pushing these stereotypes on us in a attempt to keep them going and hold us back from becoming more doesn't anyone get that. we are what we choose to be. we can choose to be the best human beings we can or not. looking at this couch i see 5 people that i honestly enjoy watching. all labels and descriptions do is keep us from becoming more if what we can be. i hope that someday we can all ditch this excess baggage and be free again as when we love each other for who we are on the inside pure and child like. god bless you all and have a great day.
Suraj's dumb hate on Tony is super annoying.
Mark 6:27. Hehe! In the comics she explained the lack of bare breasts by showing us the label of her clothing! "APPROVED BY THE COMICS CODE AUTHORITY" if I recall correctly. 😂 So CB Magic basically! 🎩
Mark 15:12. Ever wonder why Regeneration didn't heal the bad eyesight of David Tennant's "Doctor Who" and this Bruce? 🤔
Hulk has actually had TWO solo movies - everyone forgets HULK, directed by Ang Lee...
Normies references to Lost is one of my favorite running gags of the interwebz.
She-Hulk is 100% in Los Angeles she says it in the show, and you see 2 of her UCLA diplomas in the back on the wall in her office also in the comics she was based in L.A thus why she was a member of the West coast Avengers.
Also, those dudes WERE following her "Hey, we're just being nice" a woman, alone outside a bar, several creepy guys? She's well within her rights to transform, that wasn't uncontrolled anger, that was a rational response to several dudes not JUST cat-calling her, but cat-calling her and following her at night outside a bar.
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“Started to like the shows more than the movies” yup says enough 😭
I see that a lot of people are mad that she hulk is "better" then hulk but i wanted to point out that this is not true. First off hulk took 15 years because he had DID and though he thinks its from hulk he had it before he was hulk. Second off she hulk is more flexable then hulk because yes she is a woman and this is biologically true for most women but hulk is stronger then she hulk because he is a man which is biologically true for most men and if a man wants he can train himself to be more flexable like a woman can train to be stronger. And the part about anger management, women are usually told off more for showing anger, but hulk also had DID so he didnt only have to calm down but also switch back from a different identity all together making it harder.
Bruce has alter-ego because of his childhood trauma while Jen's anger is a constant one. Think of his as the same as Marc and Steven.
Awesome episode. I loved the post-credit scene. The music in this episode was terrific. Also loved the interaction between Smart Hulk and She-Hulk.
Ahh, so you like women sexually abusing and almost murdering men for no reason. Also trashing the legacies of the two tallest heroes of the MCU, Tony and Cap, for... being the wrong gender. Also portraying misandry AND mysogny to an INSANE level.
She-Hulk saying she has it harder than Bruce Banner
She-Hulk: Don't mansplain me with this Hulk stuff, I already have to deal with men trying to tell me how to do my job
Bruce's struggles:
- My boy Bruce was a human experiment since birth all the way to his childhood
- His dad killed his mom.
- The father of his first love hunted him down through all of the American continent back and forth. Not to mention the fact he couldn't get stressed in any way (incapable of getting angry or even getting laid).
- He started to have a "normal life" in Calcuta, far away from any conflict, to get dragged once again for the greater good and suffer once again.
- The second love of his life, dead.
- One of his closest friends, dead.
- Being forced by Wanda to destroy an entire city and a gigantic feeling of remorse after that.
- Trapped in the body of his co-host in another planet for 2 years.
- After being stuck in Hulk's body for that longo, didn't even get a second of peace, until Thanos beat his ass.
- Watch himself how half the f*cking universe banished from existence.
- Lose an arm in order to get half of the universe back.
- Still being afraid of losing control, and the feeling of guilt of all Hulk's past damage to the human race.
- Fear that his beloved cousin has to go through the same ton of crap he went through.
She-Hulk's struggles:
- Being cat-called in the streets.
- Get mansplained in her job.
Seriously???
And the worst part about this scene is the fact even Jennifer acknowledges Bruce’s trauma and then brushes it aside like it wasn’t a big deal AND then goes on to say how men try to tell her how to do her how to handle her area of expertise while trying to tell Bruce how to handle his area of expertise.
If you really listen to her, she just comes off as a hypocrite.
But another thing people seemed to not notice or care about, was Jen was full of shit, she doesn’t know how to control her anger and they showed that by her hulking out at the end of the conversation.
Then to top it off, the actual truth makes it all far worse.
The only reason Jen can control it “better” is because Bruce was exposed to far more gamma radiation than she ever was.
The Savage She Hulk run showed us what Jennifer Is like after more exposure and she’s exactly the same as Bruce is with Savage Hulk.
Just another case of the writers forcing bullshit on the audience while not knowing or caring for the source material.
Oh give me a break. . .
@@NRF787 Please go ahead and take your break, since it seems you have nothing useful to say on not even a single part of this comments section. 🙂
Bruce actually has DID he's the only Hulk that has had an alter. In the comics She hulk, Red Hulk, and even Abomination stayed who they are when they transform.
Hell, Doc Samson doesn't even look different after his transformation, except for his hair color.
I just realized She Hulk & Daredevil are both lawyers. That's one thing have in common.
Wow you must never read a marvel comic in your life
@@queefburglarryou say that likes its an insult
@@iknowyouseeme3233 I mean, it _is_ when you say stupid shit like this.
@@iknowyouseeme3233 No..it's just bizzare to me how many people don't read comics..it's like they only know the mcu.
@@queefburglarr The MCU has been around for 14 years now. It makes sense that some people may think the MCU is all Marvel is. Especially kids that weren't even born yet when Iron Man came out.
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The helmet in the bar was apart of Ultron’s first body.
didn't know what to think of the show but I loved the first episode. Yeah that would be how two siblings would cohabitate being Hulks i would know
There is something that the movies has not show yet. Bruce had an abusive father and a lot of trauma, thats why he splits in a monster hulk, Jen had a normal childhood so she does not have split personality
Damn. If She hulk can clap like that 15:26 imagine the backshots bruh. Everything in a half mile radius would have their eardrums blown the fuck out 💀💀
you guys are misunderstanding ravi. shes suggesting that at the point when jen receives the gamma radiation that radiation has evolved on a molecular level. where as bruce got that radiation in its original format he nurtured that and past it on to her in a more experienced and sophisticated format allowing her to recieve it and build on it.. exactly how human genetic cod is build upon generation after generation.
Suraj was proud when rana made a Lost reference, like a proud brother.
This is where the fun begins!!!! So satisfying to see Tatiana Mansley playing a role again! Especially a superhero character. Loved her in Orphan Black! 🙏🏽💪👏
Ahh, so you like women sexually abusing and almost murdering men for no reason. Also trashing the legacies of the two tallest heroes of the MCU, Tony and Cap, for... being the wrong gender. Also portraying misandry AND mysogny to an INSANE level.
Mark 16:06. Surcharge! That would be Necrophelia if you did that to Tony Stark! 😳
Bruce had abuse issues as a child, so he had that submerged personality that took over as the Hulk.
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exactly like ang lee's hulk showed his childhood and the abuse.
1:12 YES guys, I can't stress enough how much I'd love for some of you to watch Orphan Black :D
But I know I'm not the only one who already told you so and I know you know that, so ... I guess we'll just see what keeps going on with your lives over the next couple of years ;)
Natalie dormer plays the girl Cap sleeps with on the USSO tour.
No not her, the girl that played Peter Quill's mom is the one
Nobody noticed when She Hulk and Hulk scream at each other when they are fighting, She Hulk's muscles get slightly bigger cause she's angrier. The angrier a Hulk is the bigger it gets. Its a slight change but its noticeable. I hope they show her get as big as Hulk if not its ok
That's only a thing for the 2003 movie. It wasn't the case in the MCU, they get stronger sure but Bigger That's Éric Banna
That's false.. Hulks don't get bigger the madder they get.. It is only Bruce that has that power,his various Hulk personas definitely have different sizes. Also Bruce is the only Hulk that gets stronger the madder he gets(although Mcu has virtually ignored Hulk's core powers which is sad).
Also why would you want She-Hulk to be as big as the Hulk?? They tried that in the comics and it sucked.. all you would be doing is making her less special and making her even more of a copy of OG Hulk.
@@sgcastle8389 Mcu's Hulk doesn't get stronger the madder he gets (which is a shame). It was only Norton's version that got stronger the madder he got.. Sadly since Ruffalo took over Mcu has been ignoring Hulk's core powers.. Mcu has nerfed the Hulk so much it's sad.
The Normies: we haven't seen a cousin dynamic before
Kamala's cousins in Karachi: are we a joke to you?
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This Pat redemption arc has been insane
Bruce mentioned that fear and anxiety is also a triggering factor so it wasnt anger at the guys it was the anxiety and fear from being cat called that transformed her
This is so good and fun to watch. And with the cameos (to come), the MCU stuff they've talked about (in the first episode alone), it just opens so many possibilities for future MCU projects. Oh and love Tatiana Maslany as She Hulk.
And "preachy" is okay when it's based on reality, it's well-written and it's meant to represent something that hasn't been represented before (or barely).
Ahh, so you like women sexually abusing and almost murdering men for no reason. Also trashing the legacies of the two tallest heroes of the MCU, Tony and Cap, for... being the wrong gender. Also portraying misandry AND mysogny to an INSANE level.
Guys, Moon Knight himself Oscar did the Cheetos with chopsticks awhile ago.
"That's man-explaining". Without so much as a whiff of irony or self-awareness. Perfection.
Bruce's area of expertise is alter ego monster rage hulk, not in control, smart Hulk, Bruce is speaking from his uncontrollable Hulk experience, not this, this is new to him too, as he said in this episode "this is unprecedented" "I've never seen this before" "this is *all new territory* "
Bruce is cautious and that's okay, but he is projecting, Jen has 10% or less of the gamma that Bruce does and none of his alter ego or trauma, she does NOT have the same issues as Bruce and doesn't have be as cautious
Bruce's blood can mutate (or kill) people, as shown in The Incredible Hulk (2008)
The weird flying kick looked so bad
The Mighty Thor makes the logo!!
Tatiana Maslany is the most underrated actress plus she is gorgeous and so sweet. this show is so good, that she will finally get the recognition she deserves. And hopefully, you guys will watch Orphan Black after you neglected the first episode.
I started watching Orphan Black after seeing Tatiana in She-Hulk & damn, she’s a really good actress!
Normies really got to react to that show.
@@Phanthief95 Orphan black is an amazing show! Enjoy ! After watching the first episode, i believe She Hulk is going to be one of the favorite new Avenger
As soon as I first She Hulk, this is what I wanted to do: 15:26 👀
...So I feel you, Suraj, lmao.
Mark buffalo hasn't had his own hulk movie!
Jen is better able to adapt to being a hulk because she seems to be far more emotionally stable where as Bruce is a mess when started as the Hulk. I can't speak from the comics but MCU Bruce has always seemed emotionally unstable and very timid.
Yeah, the MCU hasn't touched on it a lot, but they've implied his history is somewhat similar to his comic version, who was abused by his father as a kid and he developed DID and the Hulk personality was already part of him before getting his powers.
While yes she is correct that Bruce is projecting. It's for good reason. If not for him her first outrage would have killed people. And not just the guys harassing her.
Regardless this show is definitely going to prove that as much better control she is in she needs to take into consideration her life cannot be normal from now on. And the wrong move could put hulk powers into another person like Bruce's dad or abomination.
They are both correct. But caution is more important with the size of the stakes
Rana looked freaking adorable twirling her hair during the wall scene!
you’re an embarrassment
She hulk in the comics to my knowledge although having been shown to rage out like hulk multiple times has been shown to be more or less in control from the start and in the Mcu it has been shown that banners blood is dangerous and the whole point of his movie was that people wanted his blood and it ended up making abomination and the leader who was presumably defeated offscreen or something
Most of this episode takes place on an island... just like LOST!