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@drunky monkey Far too big? What an odd criticism. It is not a big aircraft, less than 6500kg empty just two thirds the weight of a contemporary like the f100.
RR named their engines after rivers, like the river Nene, ( pron. Neen) and Avon ( pron. Ay-Von) ( although, Avon is derived from the Welsh word for river, which is actually ‘afon’ )
As a Swiss guy and a true Hunter fan I really appreciate your video about the Hawker Hunter as it is really hard to condense the extensive history of that iconic aircraft into a 20 minute video. So you did a good job on that. However there is a small thing I'd like to correct. Before you entered the Cockpit you talked about the Sabrinas and pointed out that the gases from the Gun firing where emitted backwards, away from the jet intakes. Now what you pointed at actually where the Chaffs and Flare installation. The gases where pointed downward by the gun deflectors at the end of the barrels as you correctly said before and some of the internal gases where evacuated together with the shells of the guns via the tubes between the Sabrinas and the fuselage. Furthermore with the newer Rolls-Royce Avon 203 which was in the Swiss Hunters this problem wasn't existent anymore. How ever the Swiss hunters are special in many ways and differ from all the others. So where the MK 58 the only ones with RWR, Chaff and Flare containers e.g. (as far as I know). This was all added in the KAWEST - standig for "Kampwertsteigerung" (or Hunter 80 Program) in the 80es. Also the Swiss Hunters where the only ones able to deploy Sidewinders and some where even equipped to deploy the "Maverick AGM65" Television guided Air to ground missile. Special as well at the Swiss Hunters Sabrinas was that they where elongated, not only to collect the ammunition links (which was the main reason for the Sabrinas) and contain the Chaff and Flare installation, but they had to collect the empty shells as well. The first Swiss Hunters ejected them as all Hunters did, but during training's on shooting ranges in the Swiss alps (Axalp e.g) these shells fell to the ground on meadows, where in the summer cows where located. Now these cows licked on the shells during the grass feeding and showed signs of poisoning later on. So the Swiss airforce hat to do something to prevent this. So they defined, that in peace times the Hunter just carried 30 rounds of ammunition per gun, so that the empty shells could be collected in the Sabrinas as well. Furthermore because of the immense recoil of the four 30mm Aden guns (could be more than 5t), which tended to damage the structure over time the Swiss airforce decided to fire only two of them simultaneously. B.T.W. In the 1970es Switzerland got an offer from Hawker-Siddley for a more modern and improved Hunter the so called Super Hunter. How ever the Swiss airforce wasn't interested in it, as it offered to less and many improvements Hawker-Siddley proposed where already incorporated in the Swiss Hunters anyway by the Swiss airforce them self.
Watching Chris squeeze into yet another tight cockpit reminds me that one of the reasons the great Eric Brown was able to fly a record 487 aircraft types was that he was small enough to fit.
@@MilitaryAviationHistory The indian hunter dueled against Pakistani sabres and according to Thomas Newdick the losses to the hunters and gnats were significant
hi Bismark this is the only jet fighter i have ever sat in the cockpit of and that would have been about 1961 /62 there was a fuselage only section at the then called boys and girls exhibition held every year in the kelvin hall in Glasgow Scotland i cannot remember but i would think this was to recruit for the RAF you brought back long forgotten memories thank you so much
The Hunter is my favourite jet aircraft, so beautiful to look at in my opinion. It just seems to want to fly! It is the jet age version of the Spitfire!
I saw one of these pretty planes on an airshow last year, and I just love the howling sound they make, sometimes called the 'blue note'. This is apparently caused by the airflow over the gun ports' compensators seen at 11:43 .
I spent over ten years working on the Hunters of the RAF in various places. It had a novel starting system which used isopropyl nitrate turbine starter (although the trainers used a cartridge system). The air brake was interesting from a hydraulic point of view in that when set to operate hydraulic pressure was fed to BOTH sides of the jack. This resulted in the air brake operating very quickly. Engine changes needed the aircraft to be split in two just aft of the wings, this was always a lengthy job. And I recall changing an engine which went u/s on its first run. The only spare engine we had was in another aircraft which was at that time u/s for another reason, so I think that the one engine change turned into four! The other major job was setting up the undercarriages to Service Instruction 72. This was a seriously fiddly job and if it needed doing to all three undercarriages could take a couple of days. One had to adjust the locks to hold the legs up, also the sequence valves for the doors and the door locks, nightmare!
Greetings & support from Singapore! The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) was a former operator of Hawker Hunters & I loved seeing them up close during visits to Air Force open houses where the Black Knights, the aerobatics display team of the RSAF would fly them in the 1980s. Thanks for making this video!
The ' Who Do You Think You Are' TV programme that featured Kate Humble is Amazing. They go into detail of her Grandfather, and all his flying achievements. Apparently saying he was Bloody Good, was an understatement. I Really recommend watching it.
It's interesting to see how the gear indicator looks so similar to that used on the earlier Hawk aircraft like the Hurricane. The massive evolution of the early jets coupled with those reminders of how little time it took to make those leaps and bounds is utterly fascinating.
Considered by many the best subsonic fighter ever. The Swiss FGA.58 is much upgraded and a very capable machine. I believe the segmented box's at the rear of the 'Sabrinas' is the Chaff and Flare dispensers. The RAF Hunters had a ranging Radar and a Ballistics computer to aid Air to Air gunnery and accurate firing. The controls of which were duplicated on the Throttle to give a measure of HOTAS in Combat. The gunsight had air to air and air to ground modes.
Loved it!!, I recently started working at my local RAF museum and I will be trained up on the Hawker Hunter and another Cold War jet so I am doing some of the guess work myself. Thank everyone for the input and information you give to giving us some help along the way :)
The Hunter F6 is a beautiful aircraft. She has an elegant design that is graceful, unlike many of her contemporaries from both sides of the iron curtain. I've been building an F6 as a balsa wood model and while it's taken a while, I love the design.
Many years ago I went to RAF Chivenor as an Air Cadet which was then a Fast Jet Conversion School for pilots who had just graduated from flying Jet Provosts. They had mainly F mk6s and T mk7s trainers to bring them up to speed. During a tour we visited the flight simulator which was a Hunter cockpit recessed into a housing where even the instructors would be put through their paces. The officer in charge told us a tale that only a few weeks earlier he had to ground one of the instructors. He had flown a perfect pattern, had intercepted and destroyed the supposed target and returned to base without problem, except that he hadn't adjusted his altimeter settings and 'landed' the simulator, perfectly, 250ft underground!
my favourite aircraft! i just want to add that the swiss air force actually tried to replace them in the attacker role in the 70s with either the A-7 Corsair 2 or the Dassault Milan. The air force wanted the Corsair while the government wanted the Milan because it was co-developed by the federal aircraft works in Emmen (todays RUAG). this quarrel led to neither aircraft being adted and the Hunter serving until 1994 when it was quickly phased out without replacement due to cracks being found in the airframes. a lot of planes continue to fly though, some through private clubs and a couple where sold to the company ATACS which uses them as Aggressors. Swiss Hunters where also equipped with swedish BT-9 bombing computers (a modified version was also put into the Saab Viggen) and later version where able to carry BL-755 cluster bombs (TABO in swiss air force lingo, short for Tiefabwurfbombe (Low drop bomb)) and some for early AGM-65 Mavericks, which where deemed of limited usability becasue they didn't have an IR camera but still used a contrast lock on system. this worked fine in deserts but poorly in forested areas
@@quizels0695 Yes, 30 to be exact. Hawker Siddley searched all over europe to get that number (even going as far as to buy up gate guardians and air frames from target ranges in Belgium and the Netherlands. these were the nrefurbished in britain and sold to the swiss air force i can really recommend the book: "Hunter ein Jäger für die Schweiz" by the Hunter club Interlaken (ISBN 3-85545-840-5) if you understand german it's a great source (there is also one about the Mirage III by the Mirage club Buochs)
The Swiss Hunters would turn up in Sweden from time to time to make use of the Vidsel firing range for weapons test and training they simply did not have the space for in Switzerland. The official magazine of the Swedish air force always had good articles on the visits complete with good photos. Was fascinating to see the Hunter still in use when the Swedish ones had long since been retired.
@@rbr8931 no, the F/A-18s were bought as Mirage replacement, they lacked any air to ground capability save for the gun at the beginning, this was retrofitted in the mid 2000s
Ingenious engineering to handle blasts from the guns, at both ends! Max speed 120 km/hr? That should give it endurance.. (Beautiful shot of the turbine blade connections at 10:51.)
Very good. Just for your information, the Nene is pronounced Neen. All RR jets are named after British Rivers and the River Nene flows through Peterborough to the Wash.
Yet another stellar and informative video Bis. Learned more than I thought I would. A famous but simultaneously underrated and underappreciated aircraft. I look forward to the next video.
@@jeremypnet I'm sure there are others we've forgotten too. Curious thing about the Avon though - it is Brithonic in origin not Anglo-Saxon, and if you look at the Welsh pronunciation it is Afon (with the short 'a' as in cat) - and it means 'river' - so River Avon literally means 'River River'. Given that it was originally pronounced Afon, then in this case Bismark's mispronunciation is technically closer to the original than ours! This is even wierder when you bear in mind that Anglo-Saxon is a Germanic language and Welsh is a Celtic one, you'd expect our pronunciation to be closer to Bismark's and the original - but it isn't.
It's pronounced "Neen" if you come from Cambridgeshire or Norfolk and "Nen" if you come from Northamptonshire and further upstream. Or it depends on which side of the bridge you live at Thrapston?
If you get a chance to see Miss Demeanor, a Hunter that graces the airshows, then do it. Such a beautiful aircraft... And such a sound!!! I have a book from the 1950's with an article by Neville Duke called "Taking the Hawker Hunter through the sound barrier." Understated British piloting at it's very best! Erm... Did I hear you mention "Brown Alert"? Is that a euphemism for "The pilot requires a new flightsuit?"
Great. Presentation Bismarck it how stuff should be presented good research, loved the gun blast deflectors, double fix, clear the gas stop the nose down with some simple metal work, great looking jet smooth lines.
To be fair, modern airliners all use altitude in feet as an international standard (because America didn't want to give up their freedom/caveman units).
It was interesting to see how little head room you have. My dad told me this was a problem for pilots, as a result he said it was unusual to see fighter pilots taller than about 5’ 9’’. Taller pilots tended to fly aircraft types with larger cockpits. However he said there were exceptions.
I thought first you where in Dübendorf for a second... that would really hurt me that i didnt knew when you where there :D - i live 15min from the Museum there and would really liked to say hi ... from a distance :) // also a really cool intro!
10:16 that would be bill bedford rocking up with a supersonic dive, dramatic bang for the crowd, some low level aerobatics and this his infamous spin from 18,000 ft where he forgot that the airfield was +500 ft from his calculation and he nearly pancaked it into the ground!
I remember the Black Diamonds display team with, I believe, 24 Hunters. I saw them at a Biggin Hill display but also practising at RAF Abingdon. The name Neville Duke seems to be associated from my schooldays with the Hunter.
Excellent video with excellent research. I am happy that this video and your whole channel exists. Edit: i actually live in Payerne and have visited this museum on multiple occasions
Nene said as Nean from the River Nene perhaps, were there any other watery named engines I seem to remember a Derwent, (edit and Avon after the river of course) I once saw an foxhunter test pilot race down the runway at Leicester, (Lesster) airport putting on speed and flying through the space between a pair of a block of flats. There was a loud BANG! and subsequent large bill as he broke every window in the flats!
Excellent video. Ted Rex is correct on pronouncing Nene. Also, Avon is pronounced A-von, not Avon. It's also a British river. I think someone at Rolls Royce liked fishing!
Just wondering, do any of the planes you have made videos of have any height restrictions for pilots? I know you have mentioned that you are taller than average but man some of these cockpits look so bois for tall bois
@@MrSam1er My comment was tongue in cheek :-) I merely found it amusing that the non-English markings were not exclusively French or German, and how they decided that. In the case of the "FUEL" gauge, though, I can understand why they did not use "NOCHAUSSTEHENDERBETRIEBSSTOFF", because by the time you read it there would be none left.
I made the same observation, and the use of km/h. Sweden had metrics in the first batches of Gripen, later changed to feet and knots. And as well retraining the pilots. Sweden was one of the first external users of the Hunter called J34. A stopgap for Draken J35, 120pcs used from 1954 to 1969. The Historic flight in Sweden uses an ex Swiss Mk58 as a substitute for the Mk50.
Bismarck, For Inside the Cockpit, I suggest the Hanover CL.IIIa, the Halberstadt CL.II, the Roland Walfisch, the Rumpler, the Bristol F.2b, the Airco DH.4, the RAF F.2b, the Salmson 2a. Jeder Erste Weltkrieg Zweisitzer. Oder Ju 87.
Good vid, just a suggestion, I'd think there are not to many P47s in Europe but there is 1 in Zagreb, Croatia in the Nikola Tesla Technical Museum, would be a good opportunity perhaps. Other aircraft in the museum are just a few trainers but the P47 is pretty cool and like I said there probably aren't alot of them in Europe.
7:20 true. the sapphire engines the gun tests were done on were nearly surge proof. The team from Armstrong's essentially reworked the compressor for RR so the later Avon engines had some gusto. As with many british things, politics & the old boys network. The Sapphire engine may well have been the better option, if was good enough for the Americans who licensed built it and put it in their A4 skyhawks!
If I recall correctly the Hunter was actually tested with the Sapphire engine and the problem of ingested gasses from firing the guns caused a problem even worse than engine surge - a flame every time.
Some of the explanations that I have seen are a skyraider pilot in thailand naming his callsign after his dog, a take on the old sailor slag "sandy bottoms" (referring to being low on alcohol), and an acronym becoming a word over time. The dog one is probably the correct answer, but it could be a mix of things culminating in the military adopting it as the official radio identifier for skyraider supporting search and rescue missions.
My Chief Tech' in the gun bay at Brueggen told me that, Hunters normally only fired two Aden guns at a time. As if all four Aden's were fired at once and the Hunter wasn't in a dive it could slow it considerably? I never witnessed it my self as I only worked aircraft fitted with two Aden's', two Mauser's or a SUU gun.
Chilean Air Force Flew them from 1965 to April 1996. And is mostly true what they told you , Often use only two cannons , for another reason too, the "insane" vibration of the whole airplane when sooting the four of them
Sometimes I have to wonder. The Hunter was so specificialy built arround the Adens and later proved to be a solid early jet aera groundattacker aswell. What if Hawker would have had enough funds to redisign the airframe to convert it into a proper close air support plane? Just imagine a streight wing configuration with the potential for more payload, ammunition and maybe armor ( A bit like a Fougar Magister on steroids if you know what I mean). This could have been a true predecessor of the A-10 if you ask me.
David Ewing Here's a quote that explains it: "With both forward and back swept wings, the rear of the wing will stall first. This creates a nose-up pressure on the aircraft. If this is not corrected by the pilot it causes the plane to pitch up, leading to more of the wing stalling, leading to more pitch up, and so on. The solution to this problem took on many forms. One was the addition of a fin known as a wing fence on the upper surface of the wing to redirect the flow to the rear (MiG-15 as an example.) Another closely related design was addition of a dogtooth notch to the leading edge of the wing."
These were still being flown by the Rhodesian Airforce when I did my National Service in 1975. I also worked, for a short while, with Sqr Lrd Rich Brand who once bragged that, in a Hunter, he could hit a dustbin in a jungle clearing (with cannon fire). He was taken up on the bet, and was successful!
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Nene still only has one syllable.
My grandfather flew FGA.9s in Rhodesia in the 50s/60s. My name is Aden, bit of a fluke.
Pretty sure nene is pronounced "neen" like "seen" definitely not " ne ne" . Love the channel though
@drunky monkey Far too big? What an odd criticism. It is not a big aircraft, less than 6500kg empty just two thirds the weight of a contemporary like the f100.
RR named their engines after rivers, like the river Nene, ( pron. Neen) and Avon ( pron. Ay-Von)
( although, Avon is derived from the Welsh word for river, which is actually ‘afon’ )
As a Swiss guy and a true Hunter fan I really appreciate your video about the Hawker Hunter as it is really hard to condense the extensive history of that iconic aircraft into a 20 minute video. So you did a good job on that. However there is a small thing I'd like to correct. Before you entered the Cockpit you talked about the Sabrinas and pointed out that the gases from the Gun firing where emitted backwards, away from the jet intakes. Now what you pointed at actually where the Chaffs and Flare installation. The gases where pointed downward by the gun deflectors at the end of the barrels as you correctly said before and some of the internal gases where evacuated together with the shells of the guns via the tubes between the Sabrinas and the fuselage. Furthermore with the newer Rolls-Royce Avon 203 which was in the Swiss Hunters this problem wasn't existent anymore. How ever the Swiss hunters are special in many ways and differ from all the others. So where the MK 58 the only ones with RWR, Chaff and Flare containers e.g. (as far as I know). This was all added in the KAWEST - standig for "Kampwertsteigerung" (or Hunter 80 Program) in the 80es. Also the Swiss Hunters where the only ones able to deploy Sidewinders and some where even equipped to deploy the "Maverick AGM65" Television guided Air to ground missile. Special as well at the Swiss Hunters Sabrinas was that they where elongated, not only to collect the ammunition links (which was the main reason for the Sabrinas) and contain the Chaff and Flare installation, but they had to collect the empty shells as well. The first Swiss Hunters ejected them as all Hunters did, but during training's on shooting ranges in the Swiss alps (Axalp e.g) these shells fell to the ground on meadows, where in the summer cows where located. Now these cows licked on the shells during the grass feeding and showed signs of poisoning later on. So the Swiss airforce hat to do something to prevent this. So they defined, that in peace times the Hunter just carried 30 rounds of ammunition per gun, so that the empty shells could be collected in the Sabrinas as well. Furthermore because of the immense recoil of the four 30mm Aden guns (could be more than 5t), which tended to damage the structure over time the Swiss airforce decided to fire only two of them simultaneously.
B.T.W. In the 1970es Switzerland got an offer from Hawker-Siddley for a more modern and improved Hunter the so called Super Hunter. How ever the Swiss airforce wasn't interested in it, as it offered to less and many improvements Hawker-Siddley proposed where already incorporated in the Swiss Hunters anyway by the Swiss airforce them self.
My dad used to maintain these when he was doing his national service. They had a hoot testing the guns on the beach.
Must have been nice hearing those cannons
imagine being a crab minding its own business and getting vaporised by some goons testing ADENs
@@phrog773 just think if it was a nudist beach, just saying 😎
With that intro and music, i think he might have a favorite jet!
Watching Chris squeeze into yet another tight cockpit reminds me that one of the reasons the great Eric Brown was able to fly a record 487 aircraft types was that he was small enough to fit.
Chris is probably 30.5 cm too tall to have been a fighter pilot in the fifties...
@@baselhammond3317 Forget Braveheart & Mel Gibson, Eric Brown was a real Scottish hero with a life story you just couldn't make up.
That's how he earned his nickname "Winkle" Brown...
Best looking jet fighter ever made (In my opinion) no matter what angle you observe a hunter from it always looks "right". Great piece Bis.....
Just a gorgeous aircraft. Excellent video. Thanks Bismarck!
Thanks!
@@MilitaryAviationHistory The indian hunter dueled against Pakistani sabres and according to Thomas Newdick the losses to the hunters and gnats were significant
everyone I have ever seen comment on the Hunter either flying it, working on it or getting close support from it has loved this aircraft.
hi Bismark this is the only jet fighter i have ever sat in the cockpit of and that would have been about 1961 /62 there was a fuselage only section at the then called boys and girls exhibition held every year in the kelvin hall in Glasgow Scotland i cannot remember but i would think this was to recruit for the RAF you brought back long forgotten memories thank you so much
The hunter is still operational in US/Canada for training! Lortie Aviation is a private contractor and they fly them since 2002!
Nytrame 1 I was on the flight radar app last night and saw 3 doing maneuvers off the Georgia coast!!
@@toddl5038 I live in Georgia hope to see one, in the future
They also fly them in the UK as red air. A company called hunter aviation based out of raf scampton. They also use some eastern bloc aircraft.
My favorite fighter of that era. I had a small die cast metal Hunter as a child and I always loved the shape of them. The Hunter looks like a fighter!
Yes. It really looked like a fighter. I had cigarette cards of it.
This and the F-8 Crusader are my favorite from that era.
The Hunter is my favourite jet aircraft, so beautiful to look at in my opinion. It just seems to want to fly! It is the jet age version of the Spitfire!
True facts
I remember, as a schoolboy, watching the display by the Black Diamonds, with 21 aircraft aerobatting in formation.
oh, 22; I must have miscounted at the time!
I saw one of these pretty planes on an airshow last year, and I just love the howling sound they make, sometimes called the 'blue note'. This is apparently caused by the airflow over the gun ports' compensators seen at 11:43 .
The blue note sound these produce is really something quite awesome, was the inspiration for the noise of the Tie fighters in Star Wars
I spent over ten years working on the Hunters of the RAF in various places. It had a novel starting system which used isopropyl nitrate turbine starter (although the trainers used a cartridge system). The air brake was interesting from a hydraulic point of view in that when set to operate hydraulic pressure was fed to BOTH sides of the jack. This resulted in the air brake operating very quickly. Engine changes needed the aircraft to be split in two just aft of the wings, this was always a lengthy job. And I recall changing an engine which went u/s on its first run. The only spare engine we had was in another aircraft which was at that time u/s for another reason, so I think that the one engine change turned into four! The other major job was setting up the undercarriages to Service Instruction 72. This was a seriously fiddly job and if it needed doing to all three undercarriages could take a couple of days. One had to adjust the locks to hold the legs up, also the sequence valves for the doors and the door locks, nightmare!
What an absolute beauty the Hunter is.
Greetings & support from Singapore! The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) was a former operator of Hawker Hunters & I loved seeing them up close during visits to Air Force open houses where the Black Knights, the aerobatics display team of the RSAF would fly them in the 1980s. Thanks for making this video!
This is probably the best introduction of any of his videos. Love it
Just about the most beautiful of the cold war jets.
A member of my Golf Club was part of the twenty two Hunters performing the loop. He was a originally a conscript selected for pilot training ,
One of my favorite post-war era fighters, thanks for the great content!
2:02 the Tempest pilot is Bill Humble, grandfather of TV nature presenter Kate Humble.
The ' Who Do You Think You Are'
TV programme that featured Kate Humble is Amazing.
They go into detail of her Grandfather, and all his flying achievements. Apparently saying he was Bloody Good, was an understatement.
I Really recommend watching it.
worth watching the Roger Hyman videos, amazing career in the RAF and fascinating to listen to his tales of flying the Hunter.
Very comprehensive. Thank you
Thanks John, glad that you enjoyed it
This icon was the mainstay of 🇮🇳 Indian Airforce in the 1965 & 1971 Indo-Pak war.. My dad worked on these legendary machines..
It's interesting to see how the gear indicator looks so similar to that used on the earlier Hawk aircraft like the Hurricane. The massive evolution of the early jets coupled with those reminders of how little time it took to make those leaps and bounds is utterly fascinating.
My favorite plane of all time. Thank you!
Considered by many the best subsonic fighter ever. The Swiss FGA.58 is much upgraded and a very capable machine. I believe the segmented box's at the rear of the 'Sabrinas' is the Chaff and Flare dispensers. The RAF Hunters had a ranging Radar and a Ballistics computer to aid Air to Air gunnery and accurate firing. The controls of which were duplicated on the Throttle to give a measure of HOTAS in Combat. The gunsight had air to air and air to ground modes.
u didn't see the speed gauge did you? the top end is MACH 1.3 she was a supersonic bird.
Loved it!!,
I recently started working at my local RAF museum and I will be trained up on the Hawker Hunter and another Cold War jet so I am doing some of the guess work myself. Thank everyone for the input and information you give to giving us some help along the way :)
I love how you present the Hunter at 0:35, you sound like it just snuck up on you
Its SABRINA a famous 1950's lady who was generously proportioned.
The Hunter F6 is a beautiful aircraft. She has an elegant design that is graceful, unlike many of her contemporaries from both sides of the iron curtain.
I've been building an F6 as a balsa wood model and while it's taken a while, I love the design.
A fascinating and well produced video. I never realised I knew so little about the Hawker Hunter which is such a beautiful aircraft.
Enjoyed this episode. Good history, good cockpit tour. Kudos.
Super video. Love all the work-arounds and fixes. One of my favorite aircraft.
Many years ago I went to RAF Chivenor as an Air Cadet which was then a Fast Jet Conversion School for pilots who had just graduated from flying Jet Provosts. They had mainly F mk6s and T mk7s trainers to bring them up to speed.
During a tour we visited the flight simulator which was a Hunter cockpit recessed into a housing where even the instructors would be put through their paces. The officer in charge told us a tale that only a few weeks earlier he had to ground one of the instructors. He had flown a perfect pattern, had intercepted and destroyed the supposed target and returned to base without problem, except that he hadn't adjusted his altimeter settings and 'landed' the simulator, perfectly, 250ft underground!
Ahh my favourite plane. Liked and will watch later today 😁
Always consistently great videos on so many iconic aircraft, and sometimes a few hidden gems. Thank you!
my favourite aircraft! i just want to add that the swiss air force actually tried to replace them in the attacker role in the 70s with either the A-7 Corsair 2 or the Dassault Milan. The air force wanted the Corsair while the government wanted the Milan because it was co-developed by the federal aircraft works in Emmen (todays RUAG). this quarrel led to neither aircraft being adted and the Hunter serving until 1994 when it was quickly phased out without replacement due to cracks being found in the airframes. a lot of planes continue to fly though, some through private clubs and a couple where sold to the company ATACS which uses them as Aggressors.
Swiss Hunters where also equipped with swedish BT-9 bombing computers (a modified version was also put into the Saab Viggen) and later version where able to carry BL-755 cluster bombs (TABO in swiss air force lingo, short for Tiefabwurfbombe (Low drop bomb)) and some for early AGM-65 Mavericks, which where deemed of limited usability becasue they didn't have an IR camera but still used a contrast lock on system. this worked fine in deserts but poorly in forested areas
after the buying of the Milan and the corsair II failed i believe the swiss buyed more hunters instead
(i am swiss🇨🇭)
@@quizels0695 Yes, 30 to be exact. Hawker Siddley searched all over europe to get that number (even going as far as to buy up gate guardians and air frames from target ranges in Belgium and the Netherlands. these were the nrefurbished in britain and sold to the swiss air force
i can really recommend the book: "Hunter ein Jäger für die Schweiz" by the Hunter club Interlaken (ISBN 3-85545-840-5) if you understand german it's a great source (there is also one about the Mirage III by the Mirage club Buochs)
The Swiss Hunters would turn up in Sweden from time to time to make use of the Vidsel firing range for weapons test and training they simply did not have the space for in Switzerland. The official magazine of the Swedish air force always had good articles on the visits complete with good photos. Was fascinating to see the Hunter still in use when the Swedish ones had long since been retired.
Was the F/A-18 the actual replacement for the hunter jets?
@@rbr8931 no, the F/A-18s were bought as Mirage replacement, they lacked any air to ground capability save for the gun at the beginning, this was retrofitted in the mid 2000s
" UNTIL IT WASN'T " !! I LOVE YOUR WORK ! GREAT INTRO !!
Excellent video. I've always loved the Hunter.
Another great presentation with some excellent rare photographs...
Ingenious engineering to handle blasts from the guns, at both ends!
Max speed 120 km/hr? That should give it endurance..
(Beautiful shot of the turbine blade connections at 10:51.)
if you look closly you can see a x10 under the needle
@@Minecraftfreak3535 Disappointed! Not so funny then! ;-)
They look really pretty but if they could manufacture the thing as one piece they could save 50% of the weight on each compressor disk.
I saw these flying during all my youth (in Switzerland)...the most beautifl fighters ever produced.
Used by our 🇮🇳 IAF during 1965 & 1971 War... One of the Iconic fighter jet of its era...
My favourite fighter plane...
"Hawker Hunter"
Very good.
Just for your information, the Nene is pronounced Neen. All RR jets are named after British Rivers and the River Nene flows through Peterborough to the Wash.
The "Black' Arrows performed that record. a couple of years before the RAF formed the red arrows.
111 Sqn.
I'd like to see the current crop of top guns do that without the modern toys , The Black Arrows were truly men of steel
Yet another stellar and informative video Bis. Learned more than I thought I would.
A famous but simultaneously underrated and underappreciated aircraft.
I look forward to the next video.
Rolls Royce Nene is pronounce like knee - neen. It is the name of a river, like the Derwent and Trent, which are also Rolls Royce jet engine names.
Viper twenty2 also it’s ay-von not a-von. Which is also a river.
Always assumed it was "nay-nay" after the bird... Learn something new every day!
The River Nene (sounds like Neen) rises in Northamtonshire and flows eastwards to The Wash and the North Sea.
@@jeremypnet I'm sure there are others we've forgotten too. Curious thing about the Avon though - it is Brithonic in origin not Anglo-Saxon, and if you look at the Welsh pronunciation it is Afon (with the short 'a' as in cat) - and it means 'river' - so River Avon literally means 'River River'. Given that it was originally pronounced Afon, then in this case Bismark's mispronunciation is technically closer to the original than ours! This is even wierder when you bear in mind that Anglo-Saxon is a Germanic language and Welsh is a Celtic one, you'd expect our pronunciation to be closer to Bismark's and the original - but it isn't.
It's pronounced "Neen" if you come from Cambridgeshire or Norfolk and "Nen" if you come from Northamptonshire and further upstream. Or it depends on which side of the bridge you live at Thrapston?
Love the content, good job mate.
I like the way the drag shoot control knob is shaped like a parachute, class.
Great video and information. Thank you!
If you get a chance to see Miss Demeanor, a Hunter that graces the airshows, then do it. Such a beautiful aircraft... And such a sound!!!
I have a book from the 1950's with an article by Neville Duke called "Taking the Hawker Hunter through the sound barrier." Understated British piloting at it's very best!
Erm... Did I hear you mention "Brown Alert"? Is that a euphemism for "The pilot requires a new flightsuit?"
Awesome video: thank you!!
Nice Docu. Thank you
Your videos are simply excellent! Thanks so much.
Great. Presentation Bismarck it how stuff should be presented good research, loved the gun blast deflectors, double fix, clear the gas stop the nose down with some simple metal work, great looking jet smooth lines.
Speed in km/h, alt in ft, climb indicator in m/s. Good god.
Fuel in pounds :-)
it was during the changeover. geeze lol
To be fair, modern airliners all use altitude in feet as an international standard (because America didn't want to give up their freedom/caveman units).
I like this Jet!
It was interesting to see how little head room you have. My dad told me this was a problem for pilots, as a result he said it was unusual to see fighter pilots taller than about 5’ 9’’. Taller pilots tended to fly aircraft types with larger cockpits. However he said there were exceptions.
I thought first you where in Dübendorf for a second... that would really hurt me that i didnt knew when you where there :D - i live 15min from the Museum there and would really liked to say hi ... from a distance :) // also a really cool intro!
10:16 that would be bill bedford rocking up with a supersonic dive, dramatic bang for the crowd, some low level aerobatics and this his infamous spin from 18,000 ft where he forgot that the airfield was +500 ft from his calculation and he nearly pancaked it into the ground!
Great review
I remember the Black Diamonds display team with, I believe, 24 Hunters. I saw them at a Biggin Hill display but also practising at RAF Abingdon. The name Neville Duke seems to be associated from my schooldays with the Hunter.
Oops. 22 you are correct!
Excellent video with excellent research. I am happy that this video and your whole channel exists. Edit: i actually live in Payerne and have visited this museum on multiple occasions
Awesome. Love the Hunter
Great content as always! Loved the punchy intro music.
Enjoyed the narrative.
Nene said as Nean from the River Nene perhaps, were there any other watery named engines I seem to remember a Derwent, (edit and Avon after the river of course)
I once saw an foxhunter test pilot race down the runway at Leicester, (Lesster) airport putting on speed and flying through the space between a pair of a block of flats. There was a loud BANG! and subsequent large bill as he broke every window in the flats!
Ex-Hunter test pilot obviously, damn sphere chuckler!
Excellent video.
Ted Rex is correct on pronouncing Nene. Also, Avon is pronounced A-von, not Avon. It's also a British river. I think someone at Rolls Royce liked fishing!
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NEEEEEEN and AYYVON
0:34 I like the dramatic introduction
Beautiful aircraft.
Thank god for bismarck
Just wondering, do any of the planes you have made videos of have any height restrictions for pilots? I know you have mentioned that you are taller than average but man some of these cockpits look so bois for tall bois
I'm 6' 3" or 1.89 in colour. I fit in a Hunter easily. I couldn't fit in a Gnat so my fast jet and weapons training was in a Hunter.
French, German and English mixed up on the controls, keep you on your toes.
Big thanks to the museum and to you.
This being a Swiss service aircraft, the pilots spoke at least 2 of these languages, and I'm pretty sure they understood the 3 well enough
@@MrSam1er My comment was tongue in cheek :-) I merely found it amusing that the non-English markings were not exclusively French or German, and how they decided that.
In the case of the "FUEL" gauge, though, I can understand why they did not use "NOCHAUSSTEHENDERBETRIEBSSTOFF", because by the time you read it there would be none left.
I made the same observation, and the use of km/h. Sweden had metrics in the first batches of Gripen, later changed to feet and knots. And as well retraining the pilots. Sweden was one of the first external users of the Hunter called J34. A stopgap for Draken J35, 120pcs used from 1954 to 1969. The Historic flight in Sweden uses an ex Swiss Mk58 as a substitute for the Mk50.
Bismarck, For Inside the Cockpit, I suggest the Hanover CL.IIIa, the Halberstadt CL.II, the Roland Walfisch, the Rumpler, the Bristol F.2b, the Airco DH.4, the RAF F.2b, the Salmson 2a. Jeder Erste Weltkrieg Zweisitzer. Oder Ju 87.
Nice to see love going to the unloved
Good vid, just a suggestion, I'd think there are not to many P47s in Europe but there is 1 in Zagreb, Croatia in the Nikola Tesla Technical Museum, would be a good opportunity perhaps. Other aircraft in the museum are just a few trainers but the P47 is pretty cool and like I said there probably aren't alot of them in Europe.
Hi there,
Love the channel.
Have you done a series on the Dassault Mirage yet?
If not, I would really like to see that please.
Thank you
It's filmed, will be published sometime in the future
That's great. Thank you very much. :)
A contemporary of the Hunter but far far better.
As always, love the vid!
The most beautiful aircraft ever built. 😚
7:20 true. the sapphire engines the gun tests were done on were nearly surge proof. The team from Armstrong's essentially reworked the compressor for RR so the later Avon engines had some gusto. As with many british things, politics & the old boys network. The Sapphire engine may well have been the better option, if was good enough for the Americans who licensed built it and put it in their A4 skyhawks!
RHODESIANS NEVER DIE, I love the hunter and the Rhodesian Camo pattern that they used
Das ist ein tolles Video!
My grandfather flew FGA.9s in Rhodesia in the 50s/60s
If I recall correctly the Hunter was actually tested with the Sapphire engine and the problem of ingested gasses from firing the guns caused a problem even worse than engine surge - a flame every time.
Will you ever cover the skyraider? I think it's fascinating that such a simple aircraft was able to handle so many tasks in such an effective manner.
How come the radio ident for a skyraider was a Sandy. how did they come up with that?
Some of the explanations that I have seen are a skyraider pilot in thailand naming his callsign after his dog, a take on the old sailor slag "sandy bottoms" (referring to being low on alcohol), and an acronym becoming a word over time. The dog one is probably the correct answer, but it could be a mix of things culminating in the military adopting it as the official radio identifier for skyraider supporting search and rescue missions.
My Chief Tech' in the gun bay at Brueggen told me that, Hunters normally only fired two Aden guns at a time. As if all four Aden's were fired at once and the Hunter wasn't in a dive it could slow it considerably? I never witnessed it my self as I only worked aircraft fitted with two Aden's', two Mauser's or a SUU gun.
Chilean Air Force Flew them from 1965 to April 1996. And is mostly true what they told you , Often use only two cannons , for another reason too, the "insane" vibration of the whole airplane when sooting the four of them
The HERO OF BATTLE OF LONGEWALE
I was able to sit in the Hunter at the RAF museum at Cosford and I was surprised at how little room there was inside.
THE NEW JETS ,YOU "PUT" THE PLANE ON WITH YOUR OTHER GEAR !!
A beautiful airframe
Sometimes I have to wonder. The Hunter was so specificialy built arround the Adens and later proved to be a solid early jet aera groundattacker aswell. What if Hawker would have had enough funds to redisign the airframe to convert it into a proper close air support plane? Just imagine a streight wing configuration with the potential for more payload, ammunition and maybe armor ( A bit like a Fougar Magister on steroids if you know what I mean). This could have been a true predecessor of the A-10 if you ask me.
Dang, that intro was cool :)
I use the Hunter quite often in MSFS 2020. It's a nice freeware model.
The P.1081 bears a striking resemblance to the Grumman Cougar.
Looks like Grumman designed their Panther, for the navy, around this model. Very similar. Douglas also had something like it.
RR engines named after rivers in UK.
Nene (Neen), Derwent,Trent, Avon and many more
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P1099/Mark 6 wing has an extension in the leading edge about halfway down its length. Can you explain the purpose of this? Thank you.
You were not paying attention to this video. Listen again from 9:00 time stamp.
David Ewing Here's a quote that explains it:
"With both forward and back swept wings, the rear of the wing will stall first. This creates a nose-up pressure on the aircraft. If this is not corrected by the pilot it causes the plane to pitch up, leading to more of the wing stalling, leading to more pitch up, and so on.
The solution to this problem took on many forms. One was the addition of a fin known as a wing fence on the upper surface of the wing to redirect the flow to the rear (MiG-15 as an example.) Another closely related design was addition of a dogtooth notch to the leading edge of the wing."
@@nightjarflying thank you, I did miss that.
@@griffn14 thank you, I appreciate the details.
These were still being flown by the Rhodesian Airforce when I did my National Service in 1975. I also worked, for a short while, with Sqr Lrd Rich Brand who once bragged that, in a Hunter, he could hit a dustbin in a jungle clearing (with cannon fire). He was taken up on the bet, and was successful!
Okay, I stopped the video and googled "Hawker Hunter Sabrina". My wife looked over at me and asked, "what is so funny about an airplane video?"
Nene, as you say it Bismark, is french slang for, well... Sabrina most prominent feature. No wonder I ve always love the look of this aircraft. 🙂😍
Hey can you go to the Air museum Dübendorf in swizerland an make a video about the N20 and A16?