"He is a man who is forced to either sacrifice his life or his soul and he chose to live." Such an amazing line that summarizes the crux of his choices and dilemmas, I'm definitely going to paraphrase that the next time I discuss Eren with my friends
@@anomalousdelirium there is no God in this universe, just some incoherent spiritual aspects related to the power of the titans, which are created to push the plot, so there is no sale of a soul, except in the sense of the psychological things
@@Sam-sv4yy "He is a man who is forced to either sacrifice his life or his soul, and he chose to live." In that sentence , what "sacrifice his soul" actually means ? An example would be nice
@Prepare your ass because pablo isn't that simple. He don't want to kill everyone. He has no choice. Would you either let everyone you love die or kill everyone who hates you to save your race ? I would choose the same as eren.
@Prepare your ass because pablo then hate the warriors for what they did. Then hate the scouts too. No one in aot is innocent. What Eren is doing is wrong, but to look at his character at such a surface level is sad.
Isayama planned Eren out for so long. The amount of patience he had to turn Eren from a young 13 year old hyped kid wanting to fight titans to turn him into a broken character who has to face many decisions and each one of those decisions sacrifices something to let it happen. I truly love Isayama with his amazing work of literature and effort put into Attack On Titan.
Isayama literally said he himself didn't understand Eren until he heared him through Kaji Yuki's (Eren's voice actor) work. He also said that initially he turned a blind eye to it, but he now accepts the uncomfortable truths about Eren that he knows exist within himself as well.
I just started re-watching the anime after catching on the manga. It's honestly incredible how Isayama brought Eren to his character's logical conclusion. From the first four episodes outlining exactly what he would become, the cultivating of his spirit throughout the battle of trost arc, and step by step increments from that point onward building upon his weltanschauung, his realization and ultimate willing enslavement to fate is phenomenal. Moreso when you see the author start talking directly to us through Marco, to Erwin outright stating there can be no future where humanity (well Eldians actually) without Eren, versus Armin's more concillitory views, and hell even Reko (or whatever the gray haired woman's name was who was tasked with assisting Eren block the hole in Trost being disgusted by having to use a "defective" titan (in this case method) to save themselves. You see this concept come up time and time again where people are forced to use to a less than palatable means to achieve their survival and eventually be forced to use them to survive, which eventually culminates in Eren's "choice" to destroy the rest of humanity to save his home while at the same time giving Armin the freedom to challenge his decision as he always had.
I love in the first season in the anime when Eren punches himself in the face and Armin has to stab him to wake him up and is telling Eren why does he wanna go outside the walls and Eren says, “what kind of question is that? BECAUSE ITS MY BIRTHRIGHT .” And there’s fire. It gives me chills
Yea, Eren has always had that passion, and funnily enough Armin is the person who always helped him come to the realization. Showing him the book of the outside world, telling him what his parents tried to do, and the example you listed. Armin has always been by his side as their goals have always been the same, but now Armin cannot agree with Eren's method and that has caused the rift. It will be interesting to see how things turn out.
@Ruthie Bella mate, 1°nobody wanted to do any harm go germany before they went nuts and atacked other countries. 2° last time I checked germans cannot turn into 20 foot tall monsters, we humans are very visual creatures if there was a race that could turn into 20+ foot monsters we without a doubt would find no relief untill we ended them. Hell they atack the island without them even doing anything ,imagine what would happend if a marleyan version of Einstein developed a nuclear bomb,they would blow the fuck out of the island without thinking twice, Eren as no choice here
@Ruthie Bella eren and hitler have very different philosophies and no one is excusing eren for what he's doing not even eren is excusing himself and that's the point he knows what he's doing is wrong but he's doing it anyway
Man I i still remember when everyone used to just label Eren as an annoying, loud mouthed revenge filled character. Man have things changed a lot for Eren.
@@sastaassh1112 I honestly think that people, who don't understand eren's character don't even understand aot as a whole, calling him a pscychopath, not even trying to understand his actions, while it is clear, that eren loves his friends, he loved his mother, he wants people in paradise to live in safety and happiness, while his actions definitely make him a horrible human being, the reasoning behind it is very important, he is not just a villain that kills people for enjoyment, he is a broken and tourtured man. Eren is just multilayered and complex character, and I think it's essential to understand him. Isayama such a genius for writing this story and an incredible character like this.
Thats one of the reasons i love eren, "becos i am born into the world" means mourn,lament, suffer but dont take ur life, instead move forward regardless.
There are lots of reasons for rooting for Eren 1. Eren's one of, if not, the best character post-time skip 2. It was repeatedly reinforced that in order to achieve freedom something horrific would be necessary 3. In every previous arc Paradis (except final arc) was threatened by Marley without any prior provokation and hundreds of thousands of its people were killed 4. We've been with Paradis from the start and care that it's safe Reasons why the Rumbling happened 1. Eren couldn't rely on negotiation with enemies that didn't see them as human and sought to end them all 2. Negotiation with possible allies yielded nothing 3. The clock was running out - Eren and Zeke were nearing death, Marley was finishing war with other countries and would turn to Paradis again, this time with convential armies 4. Paradis can't defend itself from Marley with their vastly inferior military 5. Or from any other country's military 6. Reliance on the Power of the Founder meant Historia would be sacrificed, but it wouldn't ensure that the Founder or royal blood remained in their hands indefinitely 7. The world was closing in on tech that could give them a fighting chance or even surpass the Rumbling, while neither Paradis tech nor Titan powers had the same potential for growth 8. Zeke's secret solution was again genocide of Paradis 9. Since Eren only got his Titan powers by convincing Grisha through the Attack Titan's power, a Power he could only use with Zeke in P A T H S after commiting to the Rumbling, not commiting to it would mean he never got Titan powers and Paradis is destroyed by the Warriors 10. Now that Eren freed Ymir, he can only use the Founder for a short amount of time before Ymir leaves to be reborn 11. No Ymir in P A T H S = No more Titans = No more aces up Paradis' sleeve = Paradis will be destroyed in the future Of course you could hope that things don't necessarily have to be this way, but this sort of optimism may be misplaced. Far as I've seen, pro-Eren people argue that the full Rumbling was necessary based on all the evidence in the manga and pro-Alliance people argue the opposite by pointing out the few people (often Eldians themselves) who've come to view Paradis sympathetically and that killing potentially billions doesn't make up for saving a tiny Island, as well as insist the "cycle of violence" couldn't be broken by Eren this way. I mean neither is wrong, they've just got different priorities or believe just because we've never seen a country (Hizuru's government never formally agreed to side with Eldia) advocate peace for Paradis, that it's still possible if the Rumbling is stopped or if Paradis did something(?) different. You can't really use arguments the Alliance themselves make, because its Marleyans literally only joined this to save their people and argue Eren's (morally?) wrong because they cannot and should not accept an end like this on any level whatsoever. The Paradisians either want to be heroes or do the most objectively good thing (prominently Connie, Jean, Hange), want to save Eren's soul (Mikasa, Armin), or don't know as much as we or Eren do to make a well-informed and clear-headed decision. Armin for instance still thought if Eren had agreed to a non-aggression pact he could have saved Paradis and countless innocents, but he was unaware of Ymir's existance and still doesn't know the significance of her allegiance to Eren. Eren's committed to this horrific apocalyptic holocaust for about 1 year to 10 months, after he and his friends had wrecked their brains prior to find promising alternatives, his friends on the other hand have to make that choice in literal hours after it was decided for them. Their gut reaction is to reject it on the basis of morality and optimism.
I don't understand what do you mean ymir leaves eren was given the power of the titan by ymir he is now equal or even greatet than ymir he doesn't need ymir now because she has already gi en him her power and what do yoi mean by ymir reborn
@@erenjaeger4669 In Ch. 122, Eren tells Ymir the choice is between sterilizing all Eldians thus being stuck in P A T H S forever or helping him destroy Earth. She chose the latter, meaning she wants to leave P A T H S presumably by reincarnating as a baby of the Subjects of Ymir. When she leaves there'll be no more Titans. It's unlikely Eren will or can replace Ymir's role in P A T H S since he wouldn't mindlessly create Titans forever.
@@falkets7888 I am pretty sure that wasn't even the point. Eren doesn't know ymir. Her being in paths is related to her own submission to king fritz due to her Stockholm syndrome. It was her who jumped to protect king fritz. She also saw 2 people kissing indicating her desire for romantic love which she never got from king fritz and was basically used. She might have started yearning for freedom through eren but her freedom happened by mikasa removing her emotional dependency on eren and finally finding her true love for eren which she never got to express due to her emotional trauma. Mikasas freedom of inner battle of emotions led to ymirs own freedom which previously made to jump and protect her captor. Even though she was in pain, she still chose to obey him because of her identity being tied to her captors
Eren is more than the typical good guy protagonist, he's willing to take lives to save lives, merciless and level-headed. Eren doesn't look the way of righteousness where no blood is shed, because in the world of AOT bloodshed is inevitable, and so carries the burden of their deaths to fight for his beliefs.
That’s why i love it so much, because it’s a sense of reality, compared to Naruto which is just unforgettably bad with all that “inspirational speech” that changes villains to good guys 🙄
@@Vickpiure Naruto had weight and merit of its own, and dealt with the completely different themes of human hypocrisy coming from the duality of man, and the way to peace being true understanding between individuals. I'm a huge fan of both series', and it's sad to see such an obviously biased and uninformed perspective in 2021.
@@sageoverheaven aren’t opinions supposed to be biased on the individual’s perspective? To me, it’s just an extremely bad anime compared to many others. Badly written protagonist and story progression. “Uninformed”. You’re not the only one entitled to an opinion, me stating mine doesn’t make me uninformed on the matter. I have followed Naruto’s evolution since i was 5 years old and as i grew the character development of the main character was bad. Can say it wasn’t even there. Also, my comment was in regard to the person’s i responded to. Not yours in any way so i don’t see your interest in just coming here to insult me because you have a different opinion than mine. Just because you think you are right, doesn’t make it right in my eyes. Inform yourself on the matter of opinions. Next time, learn to respect other’s point of view, it’s the trend in 2021. It’s really sad to see such an obviously biased and uninformed perspective in 2021, really.
@@Vickpiure Oh, you're referring to the anime. Yes, it's a _terrible_ anime. Apologies for that. You should give the manga a whirl. Fixes pacing and progression almost completely. As for your conversational gatekeeping? You've commented on a public platform. It's completely within anyone's right to call out your bias and critique your comment.
Eren decided to trust levi squad to deal with female titan and see how it ended. If eren doesn't do what he is doing, paradis would get wiped out at some point. People can hate him all they want but I am on team eren no matter what.
@Jaeger Bomb why do people always gotta start arguments with other fandoms. And also Tanjiro doesn’t have any bs so idk what you mean. Just enjoy this anime because it has nothing to do with naruto or demon slayer
“He is a man who is forced to sacrifice either his life of his soul, and he chose to live” this line hit so hard because its so accurate. Im glad someone understands why Eren has to do what he is doing
@@Nous98 That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You could say that humanity makes very bad choices. But no matter what they do, humanity IS humanity. I can't believe I have to explain something such as this.
I'm glad that I found people who understand Eren's character and not just some stupid weaboos who think Eren is useless and a bad character because he is not "strong" and "handsome" or "badass" as Levi.
yeah same, i watched the series for the first time a few weeks ago with almost no knowledge about it and i just fell in love with his character and how he was written right away. i had no idea anyone hated him until i got on twitter and started seeing stuff abt it LOL
@@spiffykitty01 RIGHT ME TOO LMFAO TWITTER JUST STARTED THIS BIG WAVE OF HATE FOR EREN.. and ive been reading the manga for a while now and... still dont see their pov
Yeah Eren is still a hero. He is the type of hero unlike superman who is willing to sacrifice not just his life but his morals as well for the sake of the people he loves. Superman is a hero but never sacrifice his morals to save people(Like never killing Lex Luthor). Eren is different, he is willing to sacrifice even his morals to save the people he loves.
When it comes to most of the main characters of the show, even side characters, it seems like the thing Attack on Titan wants you to know is that everyone's point of view has merits and shame. No one is wholly good, and though some folk strive to be as morally upstanding as can be, the only times where outstanding progress has been made are the times when people dirtied their hands. Erwin is a huge example, performing missions that would have guaranteed deaths, even ensuring some of those deaths, because he saw beyond the hell. Armin is another, as he tricked Reiner and Berthold into thinking Annie was being tortured in order to free Eren. Then, becoming the Colossal Titan and killing not only scores of soldiers, but also civilians in the process. He may try his best to be the best person he can, but he knew in order to get what he wanted (saving Eren), he couldn't avoid staining his soul. Upon realising that her world as she knew it would be stifled, and that people would be prisoners and forced servants to Fritz' ideals, Historia chose to defy the wills of her family and Eren (when he desired to be eaten), forcing the bloody path ahead. Ymir cared only for Historia, and thus she would do anything she felt was for her benefit. Her joining with Reiner and Berthold meant there was further disarray in the field. The titans would have likely decimated many scouts still, but with Ymir on side, some of the dead may have instead lived on. But none of those scouts mattered. Not even the rest of the 104th mattered. Only Historia's safety mattered, and she would throw all away for that. When the warriors began learning of how human the Paradis inhabitants were, they still kept moving because they had a purpose they could not shirk from. Reiner may have pushed them forward, but they all were there because they felt they had to be. They let Marco die for what they had to do. Eld, Gunter, Petra and Oruo were killed because they were in Annie's way from capturing Eren. Berthold would have the guilt of killing countless innocents on his shoulders up to his death, but resolved to push on for Annie, his family and himself. Reiner literally split his soul in two so he could endure, and so he was blessing and bane to his friends, a huge pillar of support on one hand, and the reason they're all suffering on the other. But he continued on regardless, for what he believed was the right thing. Willy Tybur may have still hated the Paradis Eldians, but he loved the many and wanted for the many to survive. He knew he would almost certainly die but he was determined to unite people and declare war. Whatever it took, he would still continue. But even if he wanted the world to be safe, his willingness for genocide cannot be overlooked. He still has bloody hands, even if he has a mostly warm heart. No one moves forward like Eren though. The world was stacked against him from the start, and for many that would mean they would follow their dream as morally as they could, or abandon it and embrace whatever they could to survive. Eren keeps his dream, but his mind is not clouded. The enemies in his path are literally 99.9% of the planet, of humanity. Even so, for what he loves he will spawn oceans of blood and fields of fire. He knows that morally it's wrong, and he doesn't see people as evil anymore. But he knows that those people would threaten those he cares about, and his freedom. And so he doesn't deviate from the path. This world decided that Eren would have a losing hand, but in order to win Eren decided to sever the hands of the other players and burn the deck. Eren's genocide is unfathomably vast, but none of us could dare say that, in his exact situation, we wouldn't do similar. We can easily claim it as outside viewers with a morality born of us in safety, but most of us would be Eren, or even Gabi, were we in that cruel world. We would kill to protect our loved ones if we had the power to, and especially if the world wanted them dead. We cannot claim to be above that until we see the same hell. Eren is judged to be wrong by enemies and former allies alike because they hold their morals so firmly that the scope of death in Eren's wake is incomprehensible to them. The ends don't justify the means in their hearts. But this world doesn't care if its justified or not, or if people live or die. The world allows such cruelty and everyone outside Paradis allowed it to continue. They threw blades tipped with poison and hoped that their problems would end. But they created something with harder skin that could consume that poison and make it venom. The world made Eren, Marley made Eren, and so they should not be surprised that Eren aims only to unmake them. So many protags in other shows slay so much evil and kill all sorts of monsters that threaten what they love and we cheer for it. But in Attack on Titan, that is robbed from us. The monsters were masks, and behind them were humans we could understand, empathise with, and want peace with. But those humans happen to want us dead. They are not monsters, but they ARE enemies. And we as viewers struggle with that because we can't just decide they're evil and deserve death. Eren is slaying anyone in his path that threatens what he loves, but because they're not one-dimensionally evil anymore, it's wrong. Because it's the world, it's wrong. If we decided that 1000 years from now, all Germans deserved death for World War 2, could we say we were any different than Marleyans wanting to kill any and all Eldians? Would a human rise up and decide the rest of the world wasn't worth saving? The monsters and evils we see in other shows, they're easy to paint as bad because they're against humanity. When the monsters ARE humanity, we pause. We doubt. Eren doesn't. He knows that everyone's lives are valid, but they WILL kill what he loves and for that they must be eliminated. I want to believe I am a pacifist, and that I would never kill. But if I walked a life like Eren, could I really uphold that? And if I did, would all I have to show for it be the corpses of all I love, piled up by people I understand?
@@clchow I'm glad that my thoughts were able to resonate with you :) No shows in recent memory have gotten my brain running quite like A.O.T, and I'm glad for it's complexity.
This was a beautiful and magniloquent read, it encapsulates a lot of my current thoughts on Eren's objectives, moralities and his ark of tribulation; but I couldn't disagree with you whatsoever. You put a lot of realistic objectivity when it comes to the human condition and applied it to the world of AOT. It's hard to say we would truly walk the path of Eren since we were born in a world where freedom is high nigh but if we did.. it is feasible to think that would be the case, and even if we wouldn't be able to walk that exact path. We would most certainly in a collective feel the same drive and burning passion. Thank you for writing this articulate summarization, it opened my eyes even more than I thought was already established. There's so much that you said that truly did resonate with how I feel and I am glad there's others that perceive it that way as well.
@Sinbad agreed but considering how easy it is to weaponize titans, I still think they were much worse than simple colonialism. Because that would never explain why the Reiss family chose pacifism if their crimes were so light.
@Sinbad then why was the king willing to never use the rumbling even if the walls fell? Not very safe when the walls constantly get destroyed. It was an empty threat by the king and he felt guilt about it. Otherwise he could've easily killed all the titans on Paradis.
@Sinbad When Bertholdt and Reiner broke wall Maria, Grisha went to convince Frieda, (who had the founding titan and the king's power to command the titans). Frieda seems sympathetic with Grisha at first but then the King's will takes over and she refuses to use the wall titans or do anything about titan shifters at all and let's wall Maria fall.
@Sinbad there's a panel in the manga that says that the king would have been fine with all the islanders dying because of their past. I'll look for it.
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@@reyhanafrizal9332 I'm hoping it's just Isayama's style of giving false hope to those people that don't want Eren to win, he should really know that Falco and Gabi saving the day makes 0 sense for the plot and overall would be a bad ending for the series. Eren finishing this and having the island prosper with the rest of the world gone is the perfect ending.
Initially I was confused as to why Eren had become "evil". But after this video, I've come to a realisation that he was doing it for his people and freedom. Thanks Zenith, now I can truly appreciate and understand the making of Erens character much more.
Honestly, this is my favorite analysis on Erens' character. Finally there's someone who understands what Eren is going through, and the dilemmas he has to face doing so
Eren is one of the most well written characters in all of anime and a unique protagonist imo but he's always getting the hate before the 4years time skip people would say he's too "basic" for them and after the time skip he's now too "complex" for them lol
“He is a man forced to either sacrifice his life or his soul and he chose to live”. I think that actually goes back to the song barricades and the line “is it worth the price of our soul?”- “u know you had to kill her. Kill her!” Because that seems like the conversation between grisha and eren when he tells him to eat the founder, which was pretty much his first step on getting closer to the rumbling.
Great video, you basically summarized his complexity. I seriously love Erens existential morality and his Psychological incoherence. It really intrigues me. Another thing that I love is Eren and Zeke’s Dynamic. The visualization of how an Existentialist and Nihilist struggle Psychologically and how they view having the world essentially in their hands is great.
If a character forces you to think hard and gives you a headache when you are trying to understand his/her mind..... Then that's a definitive proof of S-Tier writing.
I just realised that erens current situation with the rumbling has somewhat been alluded to with bertholdts speech at the end of season 2, he asks 'what kind of person enjoys killing countless people' (paraphrased) yet him and Reiner have no choice from their perspective. It may be the same with eren who doesn't want to do something like this (causing the rumbling) but sees no other choice.
6:21 My main clue that Eren never wanted to do it is when Willie said that he wants to live and Eren seemed to basically stop with his plan. That is until Willie declared the entire World at war with Paradis and all the world leaders cheared and clapped. only when was was inevitable, did he attack.
For those who accuse Eren of starting the genocide...think again carefully. Who is the one officially tried to get the whole world United together under a false claim and declare war? Isn’t Marley and Willy Tybur the one who force or corner Eren in starting the rumbling in order to protect his home and his friends? The 145th king has warn the world not to disturb Paradis peace else hell will break lose, so did Marley listen?
Hmm how about i change the scenario to real world example. What if one day North Korea decided to nuke everybody because USA and it Allies imposed sanction and the Korean War because of their different ideology. Would you still support North Korea like how you support eren?
False equivalence A sanction is not a mass genocide which is what the world want to do to Eldians which is the key premise of the argument the only way to live is to fight.
@@wingsoffreedom3589 But I’m not arguing whether the world is conducting a genocide on the eldians. I’m replying on the stand that people who support eren said “Marley declare war first”. A sanction is an act of war. A sanction will cripple the economy and on a country like North Korea with mass famine, a lot ppl die which will eventually result in genocide.
@@ck260594 depend on which side i was born in, if i was born at other than north korea then sure i'm not supporting it but if i was then i definitely support
Great video man. I feel Eren isn’t right or wrong it just depends on how you as a reader views him. I personally don’t want any of them to die in the final battle but it’s AOT that ain’t happening
6:04 idk what it is, but every time I see that panel, I can practically hear it as clear as day. The emotion and facial expressions were captured so well when Eren asks Hange about taking another route.
Yes I would have done the same thing, I would rather protect my people than protect strangers who want to kill us. AOT has put forth the best character and dab on eren haters.
thanks, dude. I've always liked Eren and I've never stopped. but I've been wondering whether or not he was the villain or the hero, this video answered that question
@@Unyielding_Vortx I couldn't agree more. Everyone has different past sand stories which makes it really enjoyable talking nd listening to others to get their perspective
Eren has a achieved Master Morality and has learned to think under the premise of consequentialism, and I respect him for it. If I was in his position I'd do the same thing.
5:43 I think this scene indicates that Eren did not see everything that will happen in his future memories, as shown through the memory shards, I suppose he only saw glimpses but not everything. He now knew that he cannot change the future so he's been going with the flow, that's why Sasha's death was a shock to him, because he never saw this future.
Yes, accurate. Many people don't realize erens complexity doesn't come in because he saw the future completely. But because he saw some parts of it. When he realized sasha died he started showing emotions which he never did in s4. The fact is that eren is depressed. And most of his actions are actually selfish and not selfless. For example chapter 131 clearly showed that protect paradis was one of his goals and more bigger goal was protecting his friends but even a bigger goal was to realize his own selfish vision of freedom which he saw in the future memories and that was the freedom panel in chapter 131. His vision of freedom was a childish one. He was not aiming for physical freedom but a mental one. He felt that outside world would be what was in armins book but it wasn't and thus he wished to wipe it all away. He did wait to see if outside world doesn't attack em, but inside of his mind he was convinced because of the future memories he saw. But even after chapter 131 panel, he couldn't be free because his definition of freedom is twisted. He thought that if he gets to visit outside world then he would be free but now outside world isn't what he dreamt of then wiping it away and making it a blank canvas would destroy the hate and shit and thus he will have freedom and visit with armin the outside world of their dreams. Which they did in chapter 131 and 139. But as eren was getting bigger in the paths from child to adult, he was getting from normal to more sad and more sad and more depressed. His adult version couldn't cope with what he was doing and thus he lost the will to live in chapter 131 last panel. In chapter 139 he first lies to armin saying that he wanted them to be heroes but the reality is that he just wanted wanted to create a blank canvas of land and he will move forward for that selfish goal but they all can stop him. He knew he was going to be stopped but he still moved forward because if he didn't then the future wouldn't happen. But he did move forward which led to hange dying, and many of his friends turning into titans. Thus indicating that he was unfree and free at the same time. He was fulfilling his desire but also it was set in stone for him. It's confusing but interesting for erens character. At the end, mikasa was able to cut her emotional dependency on eren and finally express her true love for him which she never could express earlier and that ymir also was able to cut her emotional dependency or rather separate her identity from her captor. Both cases are different because mikasa case is of trauma bonding and love while for ymir it was Stockholm syndrome and her identity being a part of captors identity. But both have similar emotions and feelings. Ymir seeked that romantic connection which we saw in her backstory where 2 people were kissing and then we saw eren and mikasa kiss but right when eren is dying and thus dies. Mikasa freed herself from her trauma but also found her love for eren which was a mental freedom for mikasa because she was able to make a choice to protect the lives of innocent people that she wanted to since she was a soldier. She represented true embodiment of freedom in the sense that she freed herself from her mental trauma and also made a choice which was the hardest for anyone. Erens mental psyche was disturbed, he couldn't even have the will to live and he just wanted to die but he still kept moving forward. It's like how a drunk person regrets drinking but still drinks. This is why eren is tragic. Also why he is different from floch because eren showed empathy and knew that he was a piece of shit for doing all this just for his selfishness while he also wanted to protect his friends and the island in general. It's like erwin who also had a selfish dream except erwin was able to remove his selfishness all the time while fulfilling his role as a commander who dreamt of bringing freedom to humanity.
At last, someone who understands the ideas behind Eren's character. A rights-based morality that is limited to the idea of freedom, life, and perhaps the right to self-defense as well. Many of the other analyses don't properly understand this. The character assassination done against him in Season 4 is quite sad but I fully expected it to happen. That Isayama would cave to the majority of his fans, who've always hated Eren Jaeger, was apparent at the time. Eren, having a rights-based morality, would never assent to committing the Rumbling or even think of it as an option. Here's my theory. Isayama purposefully and subtly changed Eren's character over the timeskip from being an individualistic freedom-fighter, to being fully collectivistic and literally trampling the rights of others, in order to make it appear that people with rights-based moralities are secretly monsters who want to destroy the world. Supposedly Eren is one of those people, and supposedly living for individual rights leads to genocide, even though it's clear to me that his character was changed before he even thought to go there. Guys, we've been conned.
His entire goal was to realize a selfish vision of freedom in chapter 131. He did want to protect the island and didn't want his friends be sacrficed but it was his own selfish goal to see a blank canvas of outside land because it didn't match the outside world he dreamt of in armins book. This is why he turned into a kid in chapter 131
do you know what "character assassination" even means? in this context he had development, his ideas and methods developed into something else for better or for worse, you haven't seen characters assassination of eren just yet
The problem with utilitarianism is it's central premise can easily be shifted in this context. Utilitarianism relies on the premise that all human life has value and thus helping the most human life is always the best choice. The problem is that humanity doesn't even consider Eldians as human they could arguably call them another species. If Eren accepts this claim then he could technically just apply Utilitarianism to Eldians as in what helps the most Eldians is the best choice.
I somewhat understand why people are against him, after all seeing millions of innocent people being slaughtered is never easy. However even if you hate or love him, people gotta admit that he is one of the best maincharacters out there... from his character development to his complexity, I seriously cannot think of anyone off the top of my head who comes even near eren.
But free will is literally complete bull shit anyway.Human is Human so war is inevitable no matter what,authority will still brainwash people sooner or later.There is no right solution to this whole thing: If he succeeded in Rumble the whole planet which probably include almost all live on the surface of the Earth.And the Eldian repopulate the planet then so what now peace is temporarily but the cost for that is the destruction of everything and the cycle of suffering continued.Free will is total anarchy where anything is allow because that is true free will.
Hard choices are made in war. He's tired of being defensive and waiting for a genocide, and wants to instead fight. Eren is still very much a victim of his circumstances. I always love a good anti-hero.
Yeah now we all not want a ruthless character, and kind to his friends , solo player or character , kills his enemies and not let them go SUMMARY OF EREN :-
Almost everyone wants to live (except Reiner apparently) so idk why people shocked that Eren wants (his people) to live. The man's gotta do what he gotta do.
Hey, everyone, thanks for watching the video. Sorry it's no longer accurate...
I feel so bad for you lol
@@orz_Remmo46 Maybe one on how his character has been handled, but not one exactly like this I dont think
@@nailzeee8021 🤡 Eren isn’t my goat anymore I changed my pfp as quick as I read 139 🤦♂️
He has deku looking more chaddier than him now
@@feorgenotgloyd7624 lmao
Turns out eren’s morality is dependent on Simping for mikasa
"He is a man who is forced to either sacrifice his life or his soul and he chose to live." Such an amazing line that summarizes the crux of his choices and dilemmas, I'm definitely going to paraphrase that the next time I discuss Eren with my friends
By his choice, Eren sacrificed all of his already bad reputation to save the island
It's either the world, that wishes genocide on Paradis, or Paradis
So since he chose to live, does it means he sacrifices his soul ?
@@anomalousdelirium there is no God in this universe, just some incoherent spiritual aspects related to the power of the titans, which are created to push the plot, so there is no sale of a soul, except in the sense of the psychological things
@@Sam-sv4yy
"He is a man who is forced to either sacrifice his life or his soul, and he chose to live."
In that sentence , what "sacrifice his soul" actually means ? An example would be nice
The AOT fandom doesn't deserve Eren. He is so brilliantly written yet sadly misunderstood and hated by most people
People actually like him a lot now
Some to hate him
@Pristine Artifact before he was too "basic" and now he's just too complex for them to understand ig 😞
@Prepare your ass because pablo isn't that simple. He don't want to kill everyone. He has no choice. Would you either let everyone you love die or kill everyone who hates you to save your race ? I would choose the same as eren.
@Prepare your ass because pablo then hate the warriors for what they did. Then hate the scouts too. No one in aot is innocent. What Eren is doing is wrong, but to look at his character at such a surface level is sad.
Gatekeeping much
Isayama planned Eren out for so long. The amount of patience he had to turn Eren from a young 13 year old hyped kid wanting to fight titans to turn him into a broken character who has to face many decisions and each one of those decisions sacrifices something to let it happen. I truly love Isayama with his amazing work of literature and effort put into Attack On Titan.
Isayama literally said he himself didn't understand Eren until he heared him through Kaji Yuki's (Eren's voice actor) work. He also said that initially he turned a blind eye to it, but he now accepts the uncomfortable truths about Eren that he knows exist within himself as well.
I just started re-watching the anime after catching on the manga. It's honestly incredible how Isayama brought Eren to his character's logical conclusion. From the first four episodes outlining exactly what he would become, the cultivating of his spirit throughout the battle of trost arc, and step by step increments from that point onward building upon his weltanschauung, his realization and ultimate willing enslavement to fate is phenomenal. Moreso when you see the author start talking directly to us through Marco, to Erwin outright stating there can be no future where humanity (well Eldians actually) without Eren, versus Armin's more concillitory views, and hell even Reko (or whatever the gray haired woman's name was who was tasked with assisting Eren block the hole in Trost being disgusted by having to use a "defective" titan (in this case method) to save themselves. You see this concept come up time and time again where people are forced to use to a less than palatable means to achieve their survival and eventually be forced to use them to survive, which eventually culminates in Eren's "choice" to destroy the rest of humanity to save his home while at the same time giving Armin the freedom to challenge his decision as he always had.
@Taisei Comment is trash. Attack On Titan Is trash. u all suck. like lmfao why do yall like it. who wants to see 500 meter naked monsters
@@Helixxx Attack on titan is a masterpiece,and Roblox is not.
@@Helixxx,
Toddlers Aren't Supposed To Be Watching AOT 😒
I love in the first season in the anime when Eren punches himself in the face and Armin has to stab him to wake him up and is telling Eren why does he wanna go outside the walls and Eren says, “what kind of question is that? BECAUSE ITS MY BIRTHRIGHT .” And there’s fire. It gives me chills
Yea, Eren has always had that passion, and funnily enough Armin is the person who always helped him come to the realization. Showing him the book of the outside world, telling him what his parents tried to do, and the example you listed. Armin has always been by his side as their goals have always been the same, but now Armin cannot agree with Eren's method and that has caused the rift. It will be interesting to see how things turn out.
"THIS PLANET IS MY BIRTHRIGHT"
bruh it's "I was born into this world"
"if you win, you live, if you lose you die. The only way to win is to fight!"
-Eren Yeager
Great analysis. Eren is definitely one of the best and most nuanced characters I think I’ve ever seen.
@Ruthie Bella mate, 1°nobody wanted to do any harm go germany before they went nuts and atacked other countries.
2° last time I checked germans cannot turn into 20 foot tall monsters, we humans are very visual creatures if there was a race that could turn into 20+ foot monsters we without a doubt would find no relief untill we ended them.
Hell they atack the island without them even doing anything ,imagine what would happend if a marleyan version of Einstein developed a nuclear bomb,they would blow the fuck out of the island without thinking twice, Eren as no choice here
@Ruthie Bella shut the fuck up lmao
@Ruthie Bella ...
@Ruthie Bella eren and hitler have very different philosophies and no one is excusing eren for what he's doing not even eren is excusing himself and that's the point he knows what he's doing is wrong but he's doing it anyway
@@remisthinking he knows it is wrong atleast a long time ago it is considered wrong but now it isn’t because he knows that he has to do it
Man I i still remember when everyone used to just label Eren as an annoying, loud mouthed revenge filled character. Man have things changed a lot for Eren.
People hated him in the past saying that "he's useless " and now they're saying "he's doing too much"😂😂😂
How come people can relate with Reiner but not with Eren .
@@sastaassh1112 Because PTSD makes people sad, and it's more familiar than Eren's ideology. Personally, I can relate more to Eren than Reiner.
@@sastaassh1112 I honestly think that people, who don't understand eren's character don't even understand aot as a whole, calling him a pscychopath, not even trying to understand his actions, while it is clear, that eren loves his friends, he loved his mother, he wants people in paradise to live in safety and happiness, while his actions definitely make him a horrible human being, the reasoning behind it is very important, he is not just a villain that kills people for enjoyment, he is a broken and tourtured man. Eren is just multilayered and complex character, and I think it's essential to understand him. Isayama such a genius for writing this story and an incredible character like this.
On the other hand, you can say that he is having a great arc but Eren didnt change at all.
Thats one of the reasons i love eren, "becos i am born into the world" means mourn,lament, suffer but dont take ur life, instead move forward regardless.
Anti-suicide is best boi
There are lots of reasons for rooting for Eren
1. Eren's one of, if not, the best character post-time skip
2. It was repeatedly reinforced that in order to achieve freedom something horrific would be necessary
3. In every previous arc Paradis (except final arc) was threatened by Marley without any prior provokation and hundreds of thousands of its people were killed
4. We've been with Paradis from the start and care that it's safe
Reasons why the Rumbling happened
1. Eren couldn't rely on negotiation with enemies that didn't see them as human and sought to end them all
2. Negotiation with possible allies yielded nothing
3. The clock was running out - Eren and Zeke were nearing death, Marley was finishing war with other countries and would turn to Paradis again, this time with convential armies
4. Paradis can't defend itself from Marley with their vastly inferior military
5. Or from any other country's military
6. Reliance on the Power of the Founder meant Historia would be sacrificed, but it wouldn't ensure that the Founder or royal blood remained in their hands indefinitely
7. The world was closing in on tech that could give them a fighting chance or even surpass the Rumbling, while neither Paradis tech nor Titan powers had the same potential for growth
8. Zeke's secret solution was again genocide of Paradis
9. Since Eren only got his Titan powers by convincing Grisha through the Attack Titan's power, a Power he could only use with Zeke in P A T H S after commiting to the Rumbling, not commiting to it would mean he never got Titan powers and Paradis is destroyed by the Warriors
10. Now that Eren freed Ymir, he can only use the Founder for a short amount of time before Ymir leaves to be reborn
11. No Ymir in P A T H S = No more Titans = No more aces up Paradis' sleeve = Paradis will be destroyed in the future
Of course you could hope that things don't necessarily have to be this way, but this sort of optimism may be misplaced.
Far as I've seen, pro-Eren people argue that the full Rumbling was necessary based on all the evidence in the manga and pro-Alliance people argue the opposite by pointing out the few people (often Eldians themselves) who've come to view Paradis sympathetically and that killing potentially billions doesn't make up for saving a tiny Island, as well as insist the "cycle of violence" couldn't be broken by Eren this way.
I mean neither is wrong, they've just got different priorities or believe just because we've never seen a country (Hizuru's government never formally agreed to side with Eldia) advocate peace for Paradis, that it's still possible if the Rumbling is stopped or if Paradis did something(?) different.
You can't really use arguments the Alliance themselves make, because its Marleyans literally only joined this to save their people and argue Eren's (morally?) wrong because they cannot and should not accept an end like this on any level whatsoever. The Paradisians either want to be heroes or do the most objectively good thing (prominently Connie, Jean, Hange), want to save Eren's soul (Mikasa, Armin), or don't know as much as we or Eren do to make a well-informed and clear-headed decision. Armin for instance still thought if Eren had agreed to a non-aggression pact he could have saved Paradis and countless innocents, but he was unaware of Ymir's existance and still doesn't know the significance of her allegiance to Eren.
Eren's committed to this horrific apocalyptic holocaust for about 1 year to 10 months, after he and his friends had wrecked their brains prior to find promising alternatives, his friends on the other hand have to make that choice in literal hours after it was decided for them. Their gut reaction is to reject it on the basis of morality and optimism.
He inherit his father's and Ereb Kruger's memories that tried to achieve Eldian's true pride
Or he just want armin to get laid
I don't understand what do you mean ymir leaves eren was given the power of the titan by ymir he is now equal or even greatet than ymir he doesn't need ymir now because she has already gi en him her power and what do yoi mean by ymir reborn
@@erenjaeger4669 In Ch. 122, Eren tells Ymir the choice is between sterilizing all Eldians thus being stuck in P A T H S forever or helping him destroy Earth. She chose the latter, meaning she wants to leave P A T H S presumably by reincarnating as a baby of the Subjects of Ymir. When she leaves there'll be no more Titans.
It's unlikely Eren will or can replace Ymir's role in P A T H S since he wouldn't mindlessly create Titans forever.
@@falkets7888 I am pretty sure that wasn't even the point.
Eren doesn't know ymir. Her being in paths is related to her own submission to king fritz due to her Stockholm syndrome.
It was her who jumped to protect king fritz.
She also saw 2 people kissing indicating her desire for romantic love which she never got from king fritz and was basically used.
She might have started yearning for freedom through eren but her freedom happened by mikasa removing her emotional dependency on eren and finally finding her true love for eren which she never got to express due to her emotional trauma.
Mikasas freedom of inner battle of emotions led to ymirs own freedom which previously made to jump and protect her captor. Even though she was in pain, she still chose to obey him because of her identity being tied to her captors
Eren is more than the typical good guy protagonist, he's willing to take lives to save lives, merciless and level-headed. Eren doesn't look the way of righteousness where no blood is shed, because in the world of AOT bloodshed is inevitable, and so carries the burden of their deaths to fight for his beliefs.
He pretty much has turned into a demon the same as erwin in a sense
That’s why i love it so much, because it’s a sense of reality, compared to Naruto which is just unforgettably bad with all that “inspirational speech” that changes villains to good guys 🙄
@@Vickpiure Naruto had weight and merit of its own, and dealt with the completely different themes of human hypocrisy coming from the duality of man, and the way to peace being true understanding between individuals. I'm a huge fan of both series', and it's sad to see such an obviously biased and uninformed perspective in 2021.
@@sageoverheaven aren’t opinions supposed to be biased on the individual’s perspective? To me, it’s just an extremely bad anime compared to many others. Badly written protagonist and story progression. “Uninformed”. You’re not the only one entitled to an opinion, me stating mine doesn’t make me uninformed on the matter. I have followed Naruto’s evolution since i was 5 years old and as i grew the character development of the main character was bad. Can say it wasn’t even there.
Also, my comment was in regard to the person’s i responded to. Not yours in any way so i don’t see your interest in just coming here to insult me because you have a different opinion than mine. Just because you think you are right, doesn’t make it right in my eyes. Inform yourself on the matter of opinions.
Next time, learn to respect other’s point of view, it’s the trend in 2021. It’s really sad to see such an obviously biased and uninformed perspective in 2021, really.
@@Vickpiure Oh, you're referring to the anime.
Yes, it's a _terrible_ anime. Apologies for that. You should give the manga a whirl. Fixes pacing and progression almost completely.
As for your conversational gatekeeping? You've commented on a public platform. It's completely within anyone's right to call out your bias and critique your comment.
Eren decided to trust levi squad to deal with female titan and see how it ended. If eren doesn't do what he is doing, paradis would get wiped out at some point. People can hate him all they want but I am on team eren no matter what.
Facts
@Jaeger Bomb why do people always gotta start arguments with other fandoms. And also Tanjiro doesn’t have any bs so idk what you mean. Just enjoy this anime because it has nothing to do with naruto or demon slayer
@Jaeger Bomb dude....Plz don't start a World Weeb War like this.
@Jaeger Bomb excatly like bruh fuck your friendship that don't work.
@Jaeger Bomb Dude dont you will start world war 3
“He is a man who is forced to sacrifice either his life of his soul, and he chose to live”
this line hit so hard because its so accurate. Im glad someone understands why Eren has to do what he is doing
Thru it all no matter how and why i am still Team Eren😔
Eren must die. Because humanity will keep moving forward and eren is no longer a human
No he must kill all humans and make them extinct that is freedom I'm on Eren side
Humanity is no longer human when they chose to demonize another group of human.
@@Nous98 true. Nailed it 🔥
@@Nous98 That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
You could say that humanity makes very bad choices. But no matter what they do, humanity IS humanity.
I can't believe I have to explain something such as this.
I'm glad that I found people who understand Eren's character and not just some stupid weaboos who think Eren is useless and a bad character because he is not "strong" and "handsome" or "badass" as Levi.
Dude season 4 EREN >>> levi
However levi may be stronger than Eren but as a *Character* he is not even close to EREN !!
@@SyedAlchemist levi is waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy weaker than eren
@@SyedAlchemist tf u mean
@@naoseimesmon93457
True in manga EREN is stronger >>>>>>
Who says that? Eren is far stronger and more badass than levi, plus dudes shredded
eren is one of the best mcs, truly. thats why i love his character so much .. i dont understand why people hate him ...
yeah same, i watched the series for the first time a few weeks ago with almost no knowledge about it and i just fell in love with his character and how he was written right away. i had no idea anyone hated him until i got on twitter and started seeing stuff abt it LOL
@@spiffykitty01 RIGHT ME TOO LMFAO TWITTER JUST STARTED THIS BIG WAVE OF HATE FOR EREN.. and ive been reading the manga for a while now and... still dont see their pov
Yea...i dont feel like hating him as well...
I don't get it either. Backed into his predicament, I would have done the same thing. I'm rooting for him.
Yeah Eren is still a hero. He is the type of hero unlike superman who is willing to sacrifice not just his life but his morals as well for the sake of the people he loves. Superman is a hero but never sacrifice his morals to save people(Like never killing Lex Luthor). Eren is different, he is willing to sacrifice even his morals to save the people he loves.
When it comes to most of the main characters of the show, even side characters, it seems like the thing Attack on Titan wants you to know is that everyone's point of view has merits and shame. No one is wholly good, and though some folk strive to be as morally upstanding as can be, the only times where outstanding progress has been made are the times when people dirtied their hands.
Erwin is a huge example, performing missions that would have guaranteed deaths, even ensuring some of those deaths, because he saw beyond the hell. Armin is another, as he tricked Reiner and Berthold into thinking Annie was being tortured in order to free Eren. Then, becoming the Colossal Titan and killing not only scores of soldiers, but also civilians in the process. He may try his best to be the best person he can, but he knew in order to get what he wanted (saving Eren), he couldn't avoid staining his soul. Upon realising that her world as she knew it would be stifled, and that people would be prisoners and forced servants to Fritz' ideals, Historia chose to defy the wills of her family and Eren (when he desired to be eaten), forcing the bloody path ahead. Ymir cared only for Historia, and thus she would do anything she felt was for her benefit. Her joining with Reiner and Berthold meant there was further disarray in the field. The titans would have likely decimated many scouts still, but with Ymir on side, some of the dead may have instead lived on. But none of those scouts mattered. Not even the rest of the 104th mattered. Only Historia's safety mattered, and she would throw all away for that.
When the warriors began learning of how human the Paradis inhabitants were, they still kept moving because they had a purpose they could not shirk from. Reiner may have pushed them forward, but they all were there because they felt they had to be. They let Marco die for what they had to do. Eld, Gunter, Petra and Oruo were killed because they were in Annie's way from capturing Eren. Berthold would have the guilt of killing countless innocents on his shoulders up to his death, but resolved to push on for Annie, his family and himself. Reiner literally split his soul in two so he could endure, and so he was blessing and bane to his friends, a huge pillar of support on one hand, and the reason they're all suffering on the other. But he continued on regardless, for what he believed was the right thing. Willy Tybur may have still hated the Paradis Eldians, but he loved the many and wanted for the many to survive. He knew he would almost certainly die but he was determined to unite people and declare war. Whatever it took, he would still continue. But even if he wanted the world to be safe, his willingness for genocide cannot be overlooked. He still has bloody hands, even if he has a mostly warm heart.
No one moves forward like Eren though. The world was stacked against him from the start, and for many that would mean they would follow their dream as morally as they could, or abandon it and embrace whatever they could to survive. Eren keeps his dream, but his mind is not clouded. The enemies in his path are literally 99.9% of the planet, of humanity. Even so, for what he loves he will spawn oceans of blood and fields of fire. He knows that morally it's wrong, and he doesn't see people as evil anymore. But he knows that those people would threaten those he cares about, and his freedom. And so he doesn't deviate from the path. This world decided that Eren would have a losing hand, but in order to win Eren decided to sever the hands of the other players and burn the deck. Eren's genocide is unfathomably vast, but none of us could dare say that, in his exact situation, we wouldn't do similar. We can easily claim it as outside viewers with a morality born of us in safety, but most of us would be Eren, or even Gabi, were we in that cruel world. We would kill to protect our loved ones if we had the power to, and especially if the world wanted them dead. We cannot claim to be above that until we see the same hell.
Eren is judged to be wrong by enemies and former allies alike because they hold their morals so firmly that the scope of death in Eren's wake is incomprehensible to them. The ends don't justify the means in their hearts. But this world doesn't care if its justified or not, or if people live or die. The world allows such cruelty and everyone outside Paradis allowed it to continue. They threw blades tipped with poison and hoped that their problems would end. But they created something with harder skin that could consume that poison and make it venom. The world made Eren, Marley made Eren, and so they should not be surprised that Eren aims only to unmake them. So many protags in other shows slay so much evil and kill all sorts of monsters that threaten what they love and we cheer for it. But in Attack on Titan, that is robbed from us. The monsters were masks, and behind them were humans we could understand, empathise with, and want peace with. But those humans happen to want us dead. They are not monsters, but they ARE enemies. And we as viewers struggle with that because we can't just decide they're evil and deserve death. Eren is slaying anyone in his path that threatens what he loves, but because they're not one-dimensionally evil anymore, it's wrong. Because it's the world, it's wrong. If we decided that 1000 years from now, all Germans deserved death for World War 2, could we say we were any different than Marleyans wanting to kill any and all Eldians? Would a human rise up and decide the rest of the world wasn't worth saving?
The monsters and evils we see in other shows, they're easy to paint as bad because they're against humanity. When the monsters ARE humanity, we pause. We doubt. Eren doesn't. He knows that everyone's lives are valid, but they WILL kill what he loves and for that they must be eliminated. I want to believe I am a pacifist, and that I would never kill. But if I walked a life like Eren, could I really uphold that? And if I did, would all I have to show for it be the corpses of all I love, piled up by people I understand?
THIS, RIGHT HERE is the best comment i have ever seen about aot
@@clchow I'm glad that my thoughts were able to resonate with you :)
No shows in recent memory have gotten my brain running quite like A.O.T, and I'm glad for it's complexity.
This was a beautiful and magniloquent read, it encapsulates a lot of my current thoughts on Eren's objectives, moralities and his ark of tribulation; but I couldn't disagree with you whatsoever. You put a lot of realistic objectivity when it comes to the human condition and applied it to the world of AOT. It's hard to say we would truly walk the path of Eren since we were born in a world where freedom is high nigh but if we did.. it is feasible to think that would be the case, and even if we wouldn't be able to walk that exact path. We would most certainly in a collective feel the same drive and burning passion. Thank you for writing this articulate summarization, it opened my eyes even more than I thought was already established. There's so much that you said that truly did resonate with how I feel and I am glad there's others that perceive it that way as well.
I'll most definitely be ruminating about this comment for a while..
Holy Shit This Comment is Gawddamn Beautiful And 100% Accurate.
There is no Talk no Jutsu to change Eren's mind
I think this is the most underrated video i have ever seen in my life.
That means a lot, thank you
What do you get when you subjugate the eldians for hundreds of years?
Eren: you get what you deserve.
Yeah, Marleyans should've stayed subjugated by the Eldians.
@Sinbad agreed but considering how easy it is to weaponize titans, I still think they were much worse than simple colonialism. Because that would never explain why the Reiss family chose pacifism if their crimes were so light.
@Sinbad then why was the king willing to never use the rumbling even if the walls fell? Not very safe when the walls constantly get destroyed. It was an empty threat by the king and he felt guilt about it. Otherwise he could've easily killed all the titans on Paradis.
@Sinbad When Bertholdt and Reiner broke wall Maria, Grisha went to convince Frieda, (who had the founding titan and the king's power to command the titans). Frieda seems sympathetic with Grisha at first but then the King's will takes over and she refuses to use the wall titans or do anything about titan shifters at all and let's wall Maria fall.
@Sinbad there's a panel in the manga that says that the king would have been fine with all the islanders dying because of their past. I'll look for it.
So, this video suddenly started getting a lot more views. I guess because season 4 started. I hope you liked it and you stick around!
this is the best analysis video i've seen.
Great job man
Subbed Brother! I love the analysis videos which are like the "Soul" youtube channel did on AOT, berserk etc.
You deserve it!
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I started appreciating Eren's character after the timeskip.
Lol
I appreciated him from season 1 although he was a bit lame I knew there would be some kind of character development
Remember when Erwin had to throw away his humanity for the good of the people of the walls yeah well Eren took that to heart
thats why floch follows eren i think
I am pretty sure erwins goals were freedom for humanity
He would have sacrficed historia, thats it.
This is why I personally think the rumbling HAS to finish for the ending/Eren's character development to be worth it.
Yeah ikr. But sadly falco suddenly become the main protagonist lol
@@reyhanafrizal9332 I'm hoping it's just Isayama's style of giving false hope to those people that don't want Eren to win, he should really know that Falco and Gabi saving the day makes 0 sense for the plot and overall would be a bad ending for the series. Eren finishing this and having the island prosper with the rest of the world gone is the perfect ending.
@@jwizdum2103 yeah hopefully
@@reyhanafrizal9332 not really most likely it would be a bitter sweet ending aint no happy shit where falco saves the day or is a protagonist😂
@@apollospyrol7168 yeah hopefully.
This is a really good breakdown of his character. Great video!
Thanks, man. Eren really is a GOAT character.
Remember, this all started because he kissed Historia's hand. The Eren of the old died, and new Eren came into being.
He is bird now
Initially I was confused as to why Eren had become "evil". But after this video, I've come to a realisation that he was doing it for his people and freedom. Thanks Zenith, now I can truly appreciate and understand the making of Erens character much more.
Honestly, this is my favorite analysis on Erens' character. Finally there's someone who understands what Eren is going through, and the dilemmas he has to face doing so
Eren is the best anime protagonist I have ever seen. That's it. That's the comment. See ya.
Eren is one of the most well written characters in all of anime and a unique protagonist imo but he's always getting the hate before the 4years time skip people would say he's too "basic" for them and after the time skip he's now too "complex" for them lol
They'll be studying Attack On Titan 100 years from now.
No lol
“He is a man forced to either sacrifice his life or his soul and he chose to live”. I think that actually goes back to the song barricades and the line “is it worth the price of our soul?”- “u know you had to kill her. Kill her!” Because that seems like the conversation between grisha and eren when he tells him to eat the founder, which was pretty much his first step on getting closer to the rumbling.
“You have to accept the world as it is, or fight to change it.”
- Carl Manfred (Detroit: Become Human)
Great video, you basically summarized his complexity. I seriously love Erens existential morality and his Psychological incoherence. It really intrigues me. Another thing that I love is Eren and Zeke’s Dynamic. The visualization of how an Existentialist and Nihilist struggle Psychologically and how they view having the world essentially in their hands is great.
If a character forces you to think hard and gives you a headache when you are trying to understand his/her mind.....
Then that's a definitive proof of S-Tier writing.
I just realised that erens current situation with the rumbling has somewhat been alluded to with bertholdts speech at the end of season 2, he asks 'what kind of person enjoys killing countless people' (paraphrased) yet him and Reiner have no choice from their perspective. It may be the same with eren who doesn't want to do something like this (causing the rumbling) but sees no other choice.
6:21 My main clue that Eren never wanted to do it is when Willie said that he wants to live and Eren seemed to basically stop with his plan. That is until Willie declared the entire World at war with Paradis and all the world leaders cheared and clapped.
only when was was inevitable, did he attack.
He has the STRONGEST CHARACTER in the ENTIRITY OF FICTION. He went through the most pain than any other character ever.
For those who accuse Eren of starting the genocide...think again carefully. Who is the one officially tried to get the whole world United together under a false claim and declare war? Isn’t Marley and Willy Tybur the one who force or corner Eren in starting the rumbling in order to protect his home and his friends? The 145th king has warn the world not to disturb Paradis peace else hell will break lose, so did Marley listen?
Hmm how about i change the scenario to real world example. What if one day North Korea decided to nuke everybody because USA and it Allies imposed sanction and the Korean War because of their different ideology.
Would you still support North Korea like how you support eren?
False equivalence A sanction is not a mass genocide which is what the world want to do to Eldians which is the key premise of the argument the only way to live is to fight.
@@wingsoffreedom3589 But I’m not arguing whether the world is conducting a genocide on the eldians. I’m replying on the stand that people who support eren said “Marley declare war first”. A sanction is an act of war.
A sanction will cripple the economy and on a country like North Korea with mass famine, a lot ppl die which will eventually result in genocide.
@@ck260594 depend on which side i was born in, if i was born at other than north korea then sure i'm not supporting it but if i was then i definitely support
@@null8036 fair enough. Agree
Great video man. I feel Eren isn’t right or wrong it just depends on how you as a reader views him. I personally don’t want any of them to die in the final battle but it’s AOT that ain’t happening
These are some the reasons why he is my favorite MC Thanks for making this video
If Eren couldn't change the future, he was never free and all he could do was move forward...
I don't think I've ever seen a better video good work man
"The real villains are the people that let their loved ones die so strangers can live."
6:04 idk what it is, but every time I see that panel, I can practically hear it as clear as day. The emotion and facial expressions were captured so well when Eren asks Hange about taking another route.
Im here being *SAD* about their relationship getting ruined
Plz ch 139 have plot twist coz im gonna die from depression ughhhh 💔
'He is a man who was forced to either sacrifice his life, or his soul, and he chose to live.'
literally Season 4 Eren in 1 sentence
The story of attack on titan never fails to give me goose bumps Isayama is truly a writing genius
Hacksyama
"Those who move forward do so because they see something beyond the Hell that lies right in front of them" nice
Bro this video is fantastic! I appreciate doing the video cause you knocked it out of the park
Glad you liked it, man. I'm happy with how it came out
I think people underestimate Eren's writing, Bro found out the true nature of humanity and decided to wipe it all out, and I couldn't agree more
I totally agree with your comment💯 Very well said!🙏 He is just like 'God' in that case haha.
Yes I would have done the same thing, I would rather protect my people than protect strangers who want to kill us. AOT has put forth the best character and dab on eren haters.
Read chapter 131 to realize erens true goal
It was a selfish vision of freedom
That ending quote was fucking fire.
thanks, dude. I've always liked Eren and I've never stopped. but I've been wondering whether or not he was the villain or the hero, this video answered that question
I love you and your great and intricate explanation. Its just perfect that you were born into this world.
That's up there with the nicest comments I've ever gotten. Thank you
His character is so fucking good how can people hate him for being that?
Amazing analysis
Thank you!
Absolutely fantastic breakdown! A subscription is deserved!
Thanks! Welcome to the channel
The ending of the video when it out of nowhere ends after the speaker said those words were good, i didnt expect it tho.
Love how the video just ends abruptly lol
Amazing analysis bro, really refreshing getting good content like dis
It really is nice to have this type of content
@@Weebhelp in my opinion one story read by 100 different people is a 100 different story’s seeing other perspectives are mad cool
@@Unyielding_Vortx I couldn't agree more. Everyone has different past sand stories which makes it really enjoyable talking nd listening to others to get their perspective
Wow. This gives so much insight to all the chaos going through my mind for eren these days.
5:20 that's a fricking 10 packs
Had to get ripped for the rumbling.
Lol
Eren has a achieved Master Morality and has learned to think under the premise of consequentialism, and I respect him for it. If I was in his position I'd do the same thing.
Eren’s character was well written and I could tell that there was a lot of patience in writing him
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Eren is the best character and through the past seasons he suffered alot, so he done what he must do he got motives and reasons behind his actions
That was an amazing video. Loved the way you ended on the mic drop sort of moment.
That's what I was going for. Glad it worked out right
".. and he chose to live". Couldn't have ended the character breakdown better! 👏🏽❤️
Team Eren 👊still since day 1thru it all doing what has to be done first😔peace and freedom never comes without sacrifice, loss and pain😔
There won't be peace when he is done though. The people of paradis will just keep killing each other.
@@renblais1274 ?
#teameren
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I think this scene indicates that Eren did not see everything that will happen in his future memories, as shown through the memory shards, I suppose he only saw glimpses but not everything. He now knew that he cannot change the future so he's been going with the flow, that's why Sasha's death was a shock to him, because he never saw this future.
Yes, accurate.
Many people don't realize erens complexity doesn't come in because he saw the future completely.
But because he saw some parts of it.
When he realized sasha died he started showing emotions which he never did in s4.
The fact is that eren is depressed.
And most of his actions are actually selfish and not selfless.
For example chapter 131 clearly showed that protect paradis was one of his goals and more bigger goal was protecting his friends but even a bigger goal was to realize his own selfish vision of freedom which he saw in the future memories and that was the freedom panel in chapter 131.
His vision of freedom was a childish one. He was not aiming for physical freedom but a mental one.
He felt that outside world would be what was in armins book but it wasn't and thus he wished to wipe it all away.
He did wait to see if outside world doesn't attack em, but inside of his mind he was convinced because of the future memories he saw.
But even after chapter 131 panel, he couldn't be free because his definition of freedom is twisted. He thought that if he gets to visit outside world then he would be free but now outside world isn't what he dreamt of then wiping it away and making it a blank canvas would destroy the hate and shit and thus he will have freedom and visit with armin the outside world of their dreams. Which they did in chapter 131 and 139.
But as eren was getting bigger in the paths from child to adult, he was getting from normal to more sad and more sad and more depressed.
His adult version couldn't cope with what he was doing and thus he lost the will to live in chapter 131 last panel.
In chapter 139 he first lies to armin saying that he wanted them to be heroes but the reality is that he just wanted wanted to create a blank canvas of land and he will move forward for that selfish goal but they all can stop him.
He knew he was going to be stopped but he still moved forward because if he didn't then the future wouldn't happen.
But he did move forward which led to hange dying, and many of his friends turning into titans.
Thus indicating that he was unfree and free at the same time. He was fulfilling his desire but also it was set in stone for him.
It's confusing but interesting for erens character.
At the end, mikasa was able to cut her emotional dependency on eren and finally express her true love for him which she never could express earlier and that ymir also was able to cut her emotional dependency or rather separate her identity from her captor.
Both cases are different because mikasa case is of trauma bonding and love while for ymir it was Stockholm syndrome and her identity being a part of captors identity.
But both have similar emotions and feelings.
Ymir seeked that romantic connection which we saw in her backstory where 2 people were kissing and then we saw eren and mikasa kiss but right when eren is dying and thus dies.
Mikasa freed herself from her trauma but also found her love for eren which was a mental freedom for mikasa because she was able to make a choice to protect the lives of innocent people that she wanted to since she was a soldier.
She represented true embodiment of freedom in the sense that she freed herself from her mental trauma and also made a choice which was the hardest for anyone.
Erens mental psyche was disturbed, he couldn't even have the will to live and he just wanted to die but he still kept moving forward.
It's like how a drunk person regrets drinking but still drinks.
This is why eren is tragic.
Also why he is different from floch because eren showed empathy and knew that he was a piece of shit for doing all this just for his selfishness while he also wanted to protect his friends and the island in general.
It's like erwin who also had a selfish dream except erwin was able to remove his selfishness all the time while fulfilling his role as a commander who dreamt of bringing freedom to humanity.
At last, someone who understands the ideas behind Eren's character. A rights-based morality that is limited to the idea of freedom, life, and perhaps the right to self-defense as well. Many of the other analyses don't properly understand this.
The character assassination done against him in Season 4 is quite sad but I fully expected it to happen. That Isayama would cave to the majority of his fans, who've always hated Eren Jaeger, was apparent at the time. Eren, having a rights-based morality, would never assent to committing the Rumbling or even think of it as an option. Here's my theory. Isayama purposefully and subtly changed Eren's character over the timeskip from being an individualistic freedom-fighter, to being fully collectivistic and literally trampling the rights of others, in order to make it appear that people with rights-based moralities are secretly monsters who want to destroy the world. Supposedly Eren is one of those people, and supposedly living for individual rights leads to genocide, even though it's clear to me that his character was changed before he even thought to go there.
Guys, we've been conned.
His entire goal was to realize a selfish vision of freedom in chapter 131.
He did want to protect the island and didn't want his friends be sacrficed but it was his own selfish goal to see a blank canvas of outside land because it didn't match the outside world he dreamt of in armins book.
This is why he turned into a kid in chapter 131
do you know what "character assassination" even means? in this context he had development, his ideas and methods developed into something else for better or for worse, you haven't seen characters assassination of eren just yet
Best written character in popular media over the past decade and it’s not close
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I haven't read the manga so im going to mark this video until I end the series couse i love this type of content ❤️
I love your analysis. Keep it up.
Lawful Evil who is secretly Chaotic Good
Who else is on a AoT binge on RUclips while waiting for new chapters?
This was amazing bro
Yo comparing him to demon slayers protagonist there is such a huge difference like. Like they are different breeds of anime rn
The problem with utilitarianism is it's central premise can easily be shifted in this context. Utilitarianism relies on the premise that all human life has value and thus helping the most human life is always the best choice. The problem is that humanity doesn't even consider Eldians as human they could arguably call them another species. If Eren accepts this claim then he could technically just apply Utilitarianism to Eldians as in what helps the most Eldians is the best choice.
I somewhat understand why people are against him, after all seeing millions of innocent people being slaughtered is never easy. However even if you hate or love him, people gotta admit that he is one of the best maincharacters out there... from his character development to his complexity, I seriously cannot think of anyone off the top of my head who comes even near eren.
But free will is literally complete bull shit anyway.Human is Human so war is inevitable no matter what,authority will still brainwash people sooner or later.There is no right solution to this whole thing:
If he succeeded in Rumble the whole planet which probably include almost all live on the surface of the Earth.And the Eldian repopulate the planet then so what now peace is temporarily but the cost for that is the destruction of everything and the cycle of suffering continued.Free will is total anarchy where anything is allow because that is true free will.
The way you ended this video was epic. Great watch
Hard choices are made in war. He's tired of being defensive and waiting for a genocide, and wants to instead fight. Eren is still very much a victim of his circumstances. I always love a good anti-hero.
Don't worry guys even if Anime doesn't make a Exclusive Ending Yuki Kaji may voice Johnny Joestar and JoJo may replace Attack on Titan instead
"the hardest choices require the strongest wills"
Rumble
This was a great analysis!
I am the best bird
8:14 The song, "Through The Valley," by Shawn James comes to mind.
This is some serious gourmet shit.
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The thing is that Marley started all of this and Marley REFUSES PEACE
He is a villain now, and it is a good think for him.
Villain and the hero of his story
neither, he is a victim of this world, that's what eren ultimately is
I believe that this quote is important. "Never having to be born into this world is the greatest salvation of all"
-Eren Yeager
Where Are the Yeagerist @?💯
The og way eren said it was " I just keep moving forward until all my enemies are defeated.*
The reality that no sides are good anymore in the story is so tragic.
Yep
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I did not know that my man can look this fresh.
Perhaps i should start reading AOT?
Yeah now we all not want a ruthless character, and kind to his friends , solo player or character , kills his enemies and not let them go
SUMMARY OF EREN :-
Keep the great content up man
and there are people who thinks he is similar to Anakin/Vader. I like Anakin but Anakin is nothing like Eren.
Almost everyone wants to live (except Reiner apparently) so idk why people shocked that Eren wants (his people) to live. The man's gotta do what he gotta do.
I kid you not he turns himself into a titan. He calls himself eren Yeager, coolest shit I've ever seen
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He turns himself into a bird. He calls himself Tatacaw. Funniest shit I’ve ever seen