Dynamic brake controls emd sd 40-2

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  • Maximum dynamic brake strength is obtained between 19 and 23 MPH, depending on traction motor gear ratio. Below 5 MPH dynamic braking is not very effective. Remember this is for our old DC units. AC units from what I'm told by those
    who have run them, have better dynamic braking at lower speeds.

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  • @jagaloon216
    @jagaloon216 2 года назад +7

    Very interesting. Thankyou for explaining the braking system and showing the resistor banks. I've always wondered.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 года назад

      Your welcome Bob, really glad to hear you liked the video. We
      do appreciate your taking the time to check it out and write
      in my friend.

    • @jamesblair8436
      @jamesblair8436 2 года назад

      My question is, how do you know they're running is there a particular sound?? I'm asking because I live half a block from an active line. And usually hear it coming through.

  • @jamescaliendo1030
    @jamescaliendo1030 3 года назад +12

    Totally love this. As a truck driver who is always running heavy I understand the concept of my engine brake and how best to use it...this video explained perfectly how dynamic brakes work on these beasts by converting electrical power into electrical retardation...whereas my Jake converts mechanical power into mechanical retardation

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +5

      James that's awesome. Glad you enjoyed the show 😊

  • @qtrhors1
    @qtrhors1 7 месяцев назад +1

    The later SD60's with DC traction motors had what was called high capactity extended range dymamic brakes before the AC traction motors Units came into service.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  7 месяцев назад +1

      I've heard of that qtrhors, enables the dynamics to work better down to
      a lower speed and also work better at a higher speed if I understand
      it correctly. Appreciate your taking the time to write in and for
      checking out the dynamic brake control video my friend.

  • @alainacollom1348
    @alainacollom1348 2 года назад +2

    That was cool seeing inside the locomotive.

  • @SOU6900
    @SOU6900 3 года назад +12

    I'll admit I knew that you have to wait 10 seconds after putting the throttle at idle before you move the dynamic handle to set-up, but I didn't know you have to wait 10 more seconds before moving it past that.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +5

      Well, guess that was my old habit, i was always easy on the equipment Also, units built after 1969 have an automatic braking delay on them, hope that helps, and thanks for the comment

    • @stumper661
      @stumper661 3 года назад +1

      @@ccrx6700 That explains why in Train Sim World when I'm driving a SD40-2 I put it in dynamic brake and there's about a 10 second delay before I see the amps cranking.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +1

      @@stumper661 yep, also when coming off dynamics there a delay before you can throttle up, on your train sim does it also give the nouse the electric motor makes that engafes the circuitry? It like a low whine sound

  • @kenharbin3440
    @kenharbin3440 3 года назад +2

    Alco the Railroad Dog approves of this video. He believes you should be running C636s though. I liked it also.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад

      Thanks Ken, Alco deserves more treats

  • @stevensipes1823
    @stevensipes1823 Год назад

    I sure have learned a lot from your videos. And you explain it so it is easy to understand. Thank you for that. Steven Sipes

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  Год назад

      Thank you Steven for the very kind words. That makes me feel
      pretty darn good to hear that coming from a man of your stature.
      Always appreciate your visiting with us my friend.

  • @fredjacobs
    @fredjacobs 2 года назад +1

    Great video! Thank you so much for sharing this. Your videos are the best!

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 года назад

      Glad you enjoyed the show Fred, we do appreciate your tuning in
      to the channel and watching and for the very nice comment my friend.
      Lot's more great videos coming you way so hope you have hit
      that notification bell to have Tube keep you informed.

  • @coniow
    @coniow 3 года назад +2

    Coming from the point of view of an Electric Vehicle that has "Regenerative Braking," it seems like a lost opportunity to not have a battery or capacitor bank to save the energy generated by braking, that can be called upon when acceleration is needed, to save wear on the diesel motor.
    Guessing that with the age of these Locos, that was not something that was really thought about?
    Interesting video :-).

    • @stumper661
      @stumper661 3 года назад +2

      It is not feasible. How could you store so much energy? Even if you had a huge bank of batteries they would deplete very quickly once you got on the throttle again.
      Now on an electric train that has overhead wires then you basically generating electricity for the city.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +3

      You are correct, the amount of storage would be incredible. Bat powered locos okay for short/yard type work where they can be
      plugged in and charged frequently but the tech for long haul just isn't there
      yet

  • @stretchlimo7275
    @stretchlimo7275 3 года назад +4

    So do the dynamics basically just slow the traction motors down? Does it work kind of like a jake brake on a diesel only slowing electrical output? I've always wanted to learn more about dynamic brakes, great video thanks for posting👍🏼

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +11

      In pulling traction motors are just that electrical motors. In dynamics the traction motors are changed to now being generators, that means in a way of speaking they work as retarders do like on those huge dump trucks, they create resistance which tetards the driving wheels, thus slowing the loco down
      They also create a lot of heat which is dissapated thru the dynamic brake resistor grids located on top of the loco near the middle on these older emd's, has same effect as jake, but jake works by decompressing engine by holding exhaust valves, hope that helps explain

    • @stretchlimo7275
      @stretchlimo7275 3 года назад +4

      You explained that perfectly! Thanks👍🏼

    • @mikefochtman7164
      @mikefochtman7164 3 года назад +8

      Just to add a little what ccrx 6700 said. The generator on the diesel engine has to be disconnected from the traction motors and then the traction motors connected to the resistor grid. There's a motorized electrical contactor assembly that does this, and that is the 10 second delay required. The motorized contactor switches over these connections. The dynamic control lever in 'set up' does that. (You also have to pause ten seconds coming out of dynamic braking back to normal power operation)
      Then the amount of retardation is controlled by controlling the amount of motor field current. Moving the lever applies more field, making the tractive motors generate more and more current into the resistor grid.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +6

      @@mikefochtman7164 Mike what a Superb explanation sir! Thank you for that. 👍👍👍

  • @Stefan_Boerjesson
    @Stefan_Boerjesson Год назад

    I would not say we know ho to run the loco, rather how, not stop it, but how to slow it down!
    That kind of brakes were the main braking system on our Swedish trams for some time. The mechanic brake was used stop it at the very last part.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  Год назад +1

      Train handling skills is an art acquired over time and experience
      running. Thank you so much for visiting with us and watching the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.

    • @Stefan_Boerjesson
      @Stefan_Boerjesson Год назад

      @@ccrx6700 It sure is! Autumn and plenty of leaf on the rails... or a first light rains....

  • @ellisjackson336
    @ellisjackson336 4 месяца назад

    I’ve never seen one of those control boxes for the trailing locomotives…cool

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  4 месяца назад +1

      Great to hear you got to find out something new Ellis. Thank you very much for taking the time to visit with us and may you have a very good day my friend.

    • @ellisjackson336
      @ellisjackson336 4 месяца назад

      @@ccrx6700 thank you for sharing and you do the same

    • @Talldarkhandsom
      @Talldarkhandsom 2 месяца назад +1

      Those Locotrol boxes bring back memories of when I first hired on back in 2002. older BN/BNSF equipment had those. now it's basically hard wired in

  • @mikefochtman7164
    @mikefochtman7164 3 года назад +3

    Nice closeup. I also noticed the power end of the ammeter had some time-limited range for power in the red area. Probably only allowed to operate in that area for a short time to avoid overheating?
    Anyway, good content and nice video, hope you keep up the good stuff. :)

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed Mike 😊

    • @michigandon
      @michigandon Год назад +1

      The red-zone on the ammeter is actually referred to as the "short time limit". You can only operate whilst drawing that much current for a maximum of one hour before the traction motors will start to overheat.

  • @Hyrev1
    @Hyrev1 2 года назад

    Thanks for the follow up Dave!

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 года назад

      Your welcome Jim.

  • @heavy-iron
    @heavy-iron 9 месяцев назад

    Hey ​@ccrx6700, do you suppose you could show the dynamic brake transfer switch and related switchgear in operation at some point? I've worked on older EMDs with relay-logic controls but I've never had the opportunity to see the electrical guts of a more modern dash-2 unit aside from the card-edge modules in the cab.
    The older EMDs just use ordinary power contactors for DB set-up and in some cases for reversing, but it sounds like the newer units utilize a motor-operated drum switch. I would love to see and hear that some time.
    I'm also curious about the load regulation scheme on the newer units. Do they still use the old commutator-type rheostats or have they moved on to solid-state PWM? Does the new system still take direction from the hydraulic governor or does it operate independently? Thanks.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  9 месяцев назад

      I will certainly do that if I ever get the chance heavy iron. Yes our
      locos use a motor driven switch but I'm not sure exactly where it
      is located, but you can hear it when you go to dynamic braking. I have
      no idea what the newer locos use, our newest one was built in 1978.
      Very grateful my friend for your taking the time to visit with us
      and check out the video.

    • @heavy-iron
      @heavy-iron 9 месяцев назад

      @@ccrx6700 Say, on an unrelated note; I know you do a lot of track maintenance work... Do you have any experience with construction of brand new track? I volunteer with a small museum and we are looking to build a little oval track around the perimeter of our farm field when funding and manpower permit. I figure you're probably a good brain to pick on that subject! The power track tools we have are basic - a pneumatic spiker, a skid-steer for moving things around, a couple of gasoline powered hack saws and rail drills that all need to be rebuilt before use, etc. Got access to most of the materials except ballast. Small volunteer operation on a shoestring budget.
      If you're looking for a video idea, I'd love to get your take on the subject. :)

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  9 месяцев назад

      @@heavy-iron ive never done new track construction but sounds like your on the right track. Air spiker you will love having! Best of luck and let me know how it turns out 👍😊

  • @ScottDLR
    @ScottDLR Год назад

    Very interesting info. Anyone know what the voltage level is during dynamic braking (700A @ V?)?

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  Год назад

      Glad you enjoyed Scott. Thank you for taking the time to write in
      and for checking out the video my friend.

  • @rogermurphy508
    @rogermurphy508 2 года назад +1

    Can you activate the application break and independent break while dymantic is activated?

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 года назад +2

      Yes sir you can. Good question and we appreciate your writing in
      and for watching Roger.

    • @qtrhors1
      @qtrhors1 7 месяцев назад

      If you went past 10 pounds on the indepentent brake it would drop the dynamic brake.

  • @tapioleva9851
    @tapioleva9851 2 года назад +1

    Nice video! How much braking power does dynamic brakes produce? I'd imagine it'll be hundreds of kilowatts or even few megawatts.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 года назад +3

      Thank you and glad you enjoyed. You've posed a question that I
      do not know the answer to, but now it is very curious to me,
      am gonna have to do some research on that. Braking power on
      the gauge is read in amps so have no idea how to figure that
      to what you are asking.

    • @brianleeper5737
      @brianleeper5737 2 года назад +1

      @@ccrx6700 Just have to know the voltage involved then multiply that by the amps, if it's 600 volts and you're braking at 600 amps, that would be 360,000 watts.

  • @3551013
    @3551013 2 года назад

    Hi! I just found your channel, can I ask a few questions regarding SD40-2 operating prodecures? I like train sims, but they rarely give you any info on how to properly operate your locomotive to simulate real-life operations.
    1)As I heard from other people your front (direction of travel) headlight should always be on "Bright" settings, but what about your rear-facing headlight? Should it be on if you just run "light engine", and what if you do haul freight cars behind you, should it still be on? If so, should it be set to Brigth/Mid/Dim?
    Dithch light, as I understand sholud always be on (since they already depend on the reverser handlt position to actually activate). Please correct me if I'm wrong.
    2) Number lights - should they be turned on the whole time, or just at night?
    3) Platform lights/step lights. Should you turn them on at all times, or just at night, or just when you actually need them?
    4) Is it a a common practice to change cabs every time while changing direction of travel during switching at yards if you do it with 2 engines set up as a multiple units?
    5) Should the cab light be always on during night operations? I guess it have to be so, otherwise it will be hard to find controls handles, since they are not lit up in the same way as guages can be.
    6) Are there a minimal speed required for dynamic breaks?
    7) How common is it for all of the above to change from one company to the other (UP & CSX for example).

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 года назад +2

      Rear light on if loco is EOT unit, not on when pulling cars. Not all ditch lights are wired in the same way, ours have a manual switch
      and are supposed to flash when the horn is blown. Not all RR's
      are required to have ditch lights, depends on whether they have
      crossings or not and the speed at which they go over crossings.
      We are not required to have them by law, but we do anyway.
      Most RR have number lights on all the time. We only turn on
      step lights after dark.
      Our push pull system here always ends up with the short nose
      forward when hauling loads, long nose forward with empties.
      They pull in and load and when the train is loaded the opposite
      loco is right there for them, so no running around is needed.
      No one runs here with the cab lights on after dark, unless they
      can't find their lunch bucket.... LOL
      Dynamic braking works best on our old EMD's from 24 MPH down,
      below 7 MPH they are largely ineffective. 1 loco has split
      dynamic brake cooling grids which does allow for better braking
      down to about 4 mph.
      All RR's have their own unique operating rules you would have to
      read each RR;s operating rule book to find out what you are lookinig for, I can only tell you what we do here.
      You ask a lot of questions

    • @3551013
      @3551013 2 года назад

      @@ccrx6700 Thanks a lot for the info, sorry for the sheer amount of question.
      Just want to clarify one more thing, i suppose my initial question was a little bit ambiguous. If I am tasked with switching duties in the yard, and given 2 SD40-2 set up as MU (coupled long hood to long hood) for that task, should I change cab every time i change the divection of thavel (i.e. i stoped beyond the switch, throwed it to the other track and now i want to reverse to couple to the car consist that require moving)?
      P.S. It just facinates me how things are done different in different conuntries, I shurely love my country's railroads, but you just can't deny that US RR's have their own charm (especially US signalling, that is thully something special).

  • @TrainFan119
    @TrainFan119 3 года назад +1

    Is this basically the same with other similar 4 & 6 locomotives (for EMD engines

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +2

      Yep, at least for the older emd's.

  • @maximus5438
    @maximus5438 2 года назад

    But if the dynamic brakes and the throttle uses differant levers, how did the csx 8888 engineer put the train on full throttle?

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 года назад

      Hollywood my friend. Anything as Bugs Bunny said in Space Jam is possible in a Hollywood production.... LOL Thanks so much
      Maximus Saximus for taking in the video today.

    • @qtrhors1
      @qtrhors1 7 месяцев назад

      He didnt

  • @mikeotren7444
    @mikeotren7444 3 года назад

    What would cause 600+ amps in notch 1 db breaking cant figure it out on this ge locomotive ,

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +1

      Mike, i would have no clue, that is wild but i know nothing bout ge, i will ask a friend who engineer for NS and see if he would know. What model ge is your loco?

  • @michaelpass2176
    @michaelpass2176 2 года назад

    Is there away you could put these in order by number letters. I just finished of one of your vacation video.

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 года назад

      Oh my I'll have to give that some thought, I'm not sure if it can
      be done, I'll see.

  • @EpicRailfan3234
    @EpicRailfan3234 3 года назад

    What happens if you throw the dynamic brake handle to set up while engine is not running?

  • @dalemarr70
    @dalemarr70 3 года назад +1

    All that down hill energy going to waste in heat. Why haven't battery cars been added to capture it after all these years???

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  3 года назад +1

      Great question Dale! On some newer locos specially the all electric powered ones they have instead of calling it dynamic braking its called regenerative braking where the current produced is fed back into the third rail or catenary lines. Also on the latest technology they are experimenting with battery operated locos which feeds the current back into charging the batteries.
      They could use the current on these older locos to help charge the batteries but they have an auxiliary generator which already does that like the alternator does on your car.

  • @frommarkham424
    @frommarkham424 2 месяца назад

    man these controls are so old💀

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 месяца назад

      1966 on this one eVolt Genius, an oldie but goodie. Thank you for taking the time to pay us a visit and may you have a very good day my friend.

    • @frommarkham424
      @frommarkham424 2 месяца назад

      @@ccrx6700 man that was really polite

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  2 месяца назад

      @@frommarkham424 😊👍

  • @northdetroit7994
    @northdetroit7994 Год назад

    TT

    • @ccrx6700
      @ccrx6700  Год назад +1

      Your very welcome North Detroit. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and write in my friend.