@@novanatakit323 high mostly. Fog and shadows on medium. 1080p with balanced FSR. It’s little shimmery, but doesn’t really matter on such a small screen.
Poor 10W performance is actually due to cpu not getting any power in most of my games, due to the gpu not clocking down below 800mhz (even in idle, even though it can clock down to 200mhz, when configured in linux - was confirmed by a chimeraos dev). When youre sitting between 0-50% gpu usage, there is no need for the gpu to take all power, while cpu gets crumbs and sits between 0.5-1ghz.
did you not watch the video, the problem is due to the cpu hogging all the power while the gpu gets nothing, the cpu is more than fast enough to run most games at 30fps even at 1ghz
Great take. Just some notes: APU is an AMD terminology. Technically what you say is right, but terminology wise it only applies to AMD (most commonly used in all devices you mentioned, including consoles and handhelds. On your conclusion: By using Windows and being supposedly subsidised by Microsoft and AMD, Asus is limited to the software provided as opposed to Steam Deck. However most things you mentioned can be done via custom software. While I don't own an Ally, I own a Deck and a MacBook Pro 16" with 5600M graphics, which suffer from many of these issues. Especially on the MacBook, I'm running the Amernimezone drivers for the AMD chipset, which also supposedly work on the Ally and Deck. If you manage to install them correctly (takes a few tries as the guide is very vague and it has many options), you can enable Radeon Chill, which paces the FPS to a set amount when static, a maximum amount when moving in all directions, and halfway through when just moving in one direction. That allows the APU to use maximum boost when necessary (fight scenes or many NPCs etc) and take a breath and recover when there is not much happening. For the CPU side, you can disable boost in many ways, one of them being QuickCPU. Also you can disable CPU cores straight from the task manager (highlight the process. Right-click on it and select the Set affinity option from the context menu. You will notice that the process is set to use all the system core. Simply uncheck the boxes of CPU cores that you don't want the process to use). Lastly, for the Steam Deck someone made a great version of Windows with some tools that could possibly also work on the ally, check out WindeckOS. I installed it on my Deck and it works fantastic.
RMA'd my original unit for not being able to read high speed microSD. They replaced the motherboard and it appeared fixed for about 3 days. The same microSD card problem presented itself, and in addition this time it corrupted my card which is now unusable on anything. No longer works on my PC or my Surface Pro. At this point Im done with the SD card reader. Hopefully a class action lawsuit gets started so I can jump on board.
I really don't understand all the talk/complaints about the Rog Ally "fan noise".... I have excellent hearing, and I deliberately turned both of the Ally's fans to 100% to see just how loud they really are, and I swear, in a very quiet room, I could just BARELY hear the fans when holding the Ally in a comfortable handheld playing position, with them running at 100%!
The ally has the most pleasant fans I have ever seen on a laptop/gaming device. Even on full speed, while you can definitely hear them, they don't sound unpleasant in any way. The fans are actually dead silent, All you hear is the moving air. I also really enjoy the fact that it has 2 fans. The ally still had some flaws but it's overall a very well designed System.
I would personally like to see a Z2 Extreme that is built from the ground up for handhelds, rather than a rebadged laptop chip with minor changes. Give me a Z2 Extreme with a 6-core CPU and a 20 CU GPU and I'm set.
so did you find out really what was wrong or did you just say let us turn off cores and then be like now its on you asus to find out what tweaks you can do. you should of used a tuning tool to farther improve your point when you feed the gpu more useing x86 tuning tool i can see up to 10% fps in some game and it makes bf2042 hit a good 60 at 15watt and thats impressive as hell! good video tho went into alot of detail but i feel like if you went a little farther and tweaked around with it useing custom setting you can make a MUCH stronger point!
I’m no expert at all when it comes to settings etc but I’ve had my Ally for a few weeks and noticed it was stuttering while playing Diablo 4 with Asus’s recommended settings and since the latest Bios update, I’ve had no stuttering at all (with the same settings as before update). It’s early days and I’m sure great updates will continue filtering through but I couldn’t be happier with this handheld so far and I’m looking forward to eventually docking it to play on my 4K tv and potentially look at the Mobile XG egpu to go with it 😊
I think it’s something asus did software. I have had my rog since the beginning and have a micro center 1tb sd card. Worked perfectly fine up until recently from a update. Then it stopped working. So it has to be a software issue that they “limit” something because a lower size sd card works fine. Just not the 1 tb
Thanks for your effort! Would love to see a video on performance to battery life balance, and especially in comparison to Steam Deck :) A slight improvement suggestion: when showing the charts, pls highlight the relevant parts you are talking about. Might just be me, but it was hard to follow you when going through them 😅 I first had to "decode" the chart and understand it, and then try and find which bar you were currently talking about. Thanks again for your hard work :)
quite possibly - I typically don't tinker with that level of settings because the standard user won't bother with it. when I come up with a working formula, I'll probably make a video.
@@TheTerk i was thinkin about buyin this asus rog ally since the battery for it drain to fast i decided not to buy one because im always on the go plus the steam deck battery last longer than the asus rog ally battery
I need to retest Minecraft DXR now. I remember at launch it was unplayable in 15W handheld mode, and only hit 30fps at 30W docked. No doubt a low GPU clock was behind some of this
I use Smokeless anyways to enable a full 54 watt constant load. The CPU now never goes below 3.3GHz and the GPU never goes below its 2500MHz and will boost to 2700MHz when it needs to.
if you up the vram to 7gb it works really well with ratchet and clank. I beat the whole game on Low and Med GPU settings nothing on very low. DO NOT SET GPU SETTINGS IN GAME IT WILL CRASH lol do it on the start screen before game launch.
If any of you guys have a desktop pc at home id def look into moonlighting to the ally when you have the internet to do so. Saves tons of battery life on the go and proves to be a usefule feature at times IMO.
Honestly i dont mind the fan noise. I use mine mostly in manual mode with the fans maxed out from lowest to highest wattage and temps. The speakers are great and if i need to i have headphones and earbuds. I really dont mind. In manual mode my temps stay around 72°C until the heat soak pushes the temp a little higher.
Just did my own Fallout 4 test run as well Worth noting, FW 323 does allocated processing to GPU at 30w turbo with nominal 95% GPU clock and 25% CPU clock when playing AAA titles.
For suggestion 1: Turn off CPU. If the SoC does not have power gating for CPU, there will be little to no gain as it will be similar to core parking only. Hardware engineer please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Parking in theory should work, but the inactive CPU cores are still receiving power in the sub 1W range. Depending on the power state, caches will be on as well. Electrically disabling the cores should gate them off, and will be managed by firmware, not OS, for greater power efficiency
You mentioned that If ASUS can figure out their 10W performance that we'd get 2 hours of play. Wouldn't it actually get 4 hours since it has a 40Wh battery?
This video really spells out the issue with the allys performance compared to what we expect out of the chip. I really want to disable 4 cores. This will allow both the CPU and GPU to hit higher boost clocks
This game hand held has deadzones in the joysticks and there is no fix. On top of that the company's response to the issue suggested they don't care and wont work on fixing it. Joystick deadzone is a HUGE flaw in such a device and makes leveling up or playing hard mode in games impossible. I will never touch an ASUS product of any kind ever again. Way to big of a flaw to miss.
Would be nice if Steam OS was getting more support from game developers. There’s still so many that haven’t been updated to run in Steam OS “properly”. Some don’t run at all. Plus you can only please games that are in Steam “easily”. While other launchers can be installed they don’t all or always play well.
It has low refresh compensation or whatever it's called, so it can go down to 24Hz with that. You can also manually tweak the Hz range to drop down to 30Hz without relying on that compensation feature I mentioned
i think its sillly all you "people" trying to get a high fps AAA experience with a handheld the resolution is too high on the ally for "great experince" mobile plugging it in or lowering resolution helps but meh the steam deck does "GAMING" i own both and find that both are great for what they are but for a "mobile" experience the steam deck is way better the complaints i see you tubers make is not what i see in comment sections and the sales numbers agree with me i just dont see a reason to buy the ally for "mobile gaming" plug it in and monitor up and you got a surprisingly good pc but you can build a more powerfull pc cheaper i just dont get the reason for the feeature set of the ally
You should use punctuation. There's nothing wrong with criticizing Asus for not delivering a better experience, and I'm all about managing expectations.
@accelement3499 You're getting heated and I love it 🔥. I'm not 20 btw but good guess. People do say that I look young and handsome. It's obvious you cannot afford an ally
Why you being a fanboy this is an asus rog ally video not a steam deck video people will like what they like and just want it to be better hop off the cock already
Don't care what anyone says the steam deck will always have the support and the community all these other companies wont have that they will have your money but you wont have their support when it breaks it breaks.
Gotta remember Steam Deck has been around for longer so the Ally has plenty of time to get even better. Also how you gonna say you don’t like a product if you’ve never owned it yourself?
10:57 Asus, skip to here. Great video mate. I’m loving my ROG Ally. Playing Baldur’s Gate 3 night now.
How’s the performance for it? I’ve never played any BG games before and I’m curious how it performs in the Ally
FPS numbers and settings are in the video.
@@novanatakit323 it runs nicely! Between 45-60fps with the settings I’m using.
@@KarlRock I’m gonna assume that’s on low settings with amd equivalent of dlss? I forgot what they call it
@@novanatakit323 high mostly. Fog and shadows on medium. 1080p with balanced FSR. It’s little shimmery, but doesn’t really matter on such a small screen.
Poor 10W performance is actually due to cpu not getting any power in most of my games, due to the gpu not clocking down below 800mhz (even in idle, even though it can clock down to 200mhz, when configured in linux - was confirmed by a chimeraos dev). When youre sitting between 0-50% gpu usage, there is no need for the gpu to take all power, while cpu gets crumbs and sits between 0.5-1ghz.
did you not watch the video, the problem is due to the cpu hogging all the power while the gpu gets nothing, the cpu is more than fast enough to run most games at 30fps even at 1ghz
This is a goated video. If ASUS manages to fix all these things (plus the microsdcard issues) with the Ally I would definitely buy and recommend.
Very well explained. Great job. I'm just hoping they enable gyro soon.
I've noticed I've been getting better performance in some games with their 15w mode over me running the game in 18w
same, ds3 was borderline unplayable in 15w, now it's rock solid 60 fps
Great take. Just some notes: APU is an AMD terminology. Technically what you say is right, but terminology wise it only applies to AMD (most commonly used in all devices you mentioned, including consoles and handhelds.
On your conclusion: By using Windows and being supposedly subsidised by Microsoft and AMD, Asus is limited to the software provided as opposed to Steam Deck. However most things you mentioned can be done via custom software. While I don't own an Ally, I own a Deck and a MacBook Pro 16" with 5600M graphics, which suffer from many of these issues.
Especially on the MacBook, I'm running the Amernimezone drivers for the AMD chipset, which also supposedly work on the Ally and Deck. If you manage to install them correctly (takes a few tries as the guide is very vague and it has many options), you can enable Radeon Chill, which paces the FPS to a set amount when static, a maximum amount when moving in all directions, and halfway through when just moving in one direction. That allows the APU to use maximum boost when necessary (fight scenes or many NPCs etc) and take a breath and recover when there is not much happening.
For the CPU side, you can disable boost in many ways, one of them being QuickCPU. Also you can disable CPU cores straight from the task manager (highlight the process. Right-click on it and select the Set affinity option from the context menu. You will notice that the process is set to use all the system core. Simply uncheck the boxes of CPU cores that you don't want the process to use).
Lastly, for the Steam Deck someone made a great version of Windows with some tools that could possibly also work on the ally, check out WindeckOS. I installed it on my Deck and it works fantastic.
Disabling CPU cores would be a dream for performance.
3rd party apps can do it just fine
@egjream - rewatch the tips to asus portion at the end of the video and carefully listen to what he says.
7040u is so new AMD hasn't even released bio . We should be able to park cores in the future.
Disabling CPU with uxut is not working on my ally.
How weird.
Asus told The Verge that was something they were working on even before the Ally was released.
RMA'd my original unit for not being able to read high speed microSD. They replaced the motherboard and it appeared fixed for about 3 days. The same microSD card problem presented itself, and in addition this time it corrupted my card which is now unusable on anything. No longer works on my PC or my Surface Pro. At this point Im done with the SD card reader. Hopefully a class action lawsuit gets started so I can jump on board.
Great video 👍 I would like to see native gyro controls from Asus 🤞
dam that was hella detailed compared to all the other videos i've seen on it lately.Thanks for the vid secured my decision to buy it now, subbed
I really don't understand all the talk/complaints about the Rog Ally "fan noise".... I have excellent hearing, and I deliberately turned both of the Ally's fans to 100% to see just how loud they really are, and I swear, in a very quiet room, I could just BARELY hear the fans when holding the Ally in a comfortable handheld playing position, with them running at 100%!
the only time I notice it is if I'm running turbo mode. whenever I'm handheld, it's a quiet puppy
The ally has the most pleasant fans I have ever seen on a laptop/gaming device. Even on full speed, while you can definitely hear them, they don't sound unpleasant in any way. The fans are actually dead silent, All you hear is the moving air. I also really enjoy the fact that it has 2 fans. The ally still had some flaws but it's overall a very well designed System.
Tbh the steam deck got way more issues on launch compared with the ally
I would personally like to see a Z2 Extreme that is built from the ground up for handhelds, rather than a rebadged laptop chip with minor changes. Give me a Z2 Extreme with a 6-core CPU and a 20 CU GPU and I'm set.
so did you find out really what was wrong or did you just say let us turn off cores and then be like now its on you asus to find out what tweaks you can do. you should of used a tuning tool to farther improve your point when you feed the gpu more useing x86 tuning tool i can see up to 10% fps in some game and it makes bf2042 hit a good 60 at 15watt and thats impressive as hell! good video tho went into alot of detail but i feel like if you went a little farther and tweaked around with it useing custom setting you can make a MUCH stronger point!
actualy what i have found out is that the sd card recomended is uhs-2 others used uhs-1 thats why there sd card has a problem
I’m no expert at all when it comes to settings etc but I’ve had my Ally for a few weeks and noticed it was stuttering while playing Diablo 4 with Asus’s recommended settings and since the latest Bios update, I’ve had no stuttering at all (with the same settings as before update). It’s early days and I’m sure great updates will continue filtering through but I couldn’t be happier with this handheld so far and I’m looking forward to eventually docking it to play on my 4K tv and potentially look at the Mobile XG egpu to go with it 😊
Excellent solution suggestions! Also, you sound like the voice actor for Lupin III
Bro
Asus rog ally z1 extrm or steam deck oled buying ?
The most important thing is to solve the micro sd issues
I think it’s something asus did software. I have had my rog since the beginning and have a micro center 1tb sd card. Worked perfectly fine up until recently from a update. Then it stopped working. So it has to be a software issue that they “limit” something because a lower size sd card works fine. Just not the 1 tb
Thanks for your effort! Would love to see a video on performance to battery life balance, and especially in comparison to Steam Deck :)
A slight improvement suggestion: when showing the charts, pls highlight the relevant parts you are talking about. Might just be me, but it was hard to follow you when going through them 😅 I first had to "decode" the chart and understand it, and then try and find which bar you were currently talking about. Thanks again for your hard work :)
check out my Asus Ally review "Unfinished" ruclips.net/video/SvVUGODfUHQ/видео.html
Does disabling the aggressive mode in power setting change the results? Because disabling the aggressive makes the GPU work more.
quite possibly - I typically don't tinker with that level of settings because the standard user won't bother with it. when I come up with a working formula, I'll probably make a video.
@@TheTerk Makes sense. You can also use G-Helper to tweak them. Actually it is much easier with G-Helper than going to regedit.
Thanks for the video.
Interesting info, and explained well. Nice video, I'm curious to see what happens in the future.
Yep, if asus let's us turn off 4 cores, I'll be thrilled
@@TheTerk i was thinkin about buyin this asus rog ally since the battery for it drain to fast i decided not to buy one because im always on the go plus the steam deck battery last longer than the asus rog ally battery
I need to retest Minecraft DXR now. I remember at launch it was unplayable in 15W handheld mode, and only hit 30fps at 30W docked. No doubt a low GPU clock was behind some of this
I find the best fps/ power balance is at a custom 18W flat profile with the CPU core isolation off in windows for most things I play
how is it now
@@Unknown-kf3ef I have been busy since I left this comment. I will test it ASAP tomorrow
Please some one share this video with ASUS 😅
5:58 Please correct me if I'm wrong but I can't remember any Ally 321 firmware?
I only remember firmware 312, 317, 319, 322, 323
321 was a brief update to 319, likely overwritten with 322. regardless, between 319 and 323, there were no real performance improvements.
@@TheTerk ahh okay thanks for the info :)
you can disable cpu cores in msconfig
I use Smokeless anyways to enable a full 54 watt constant load. The CPU now never goes below 3.3GHz and the GPU never goes below its 2500MHz and will boost to 2700MHz when it needs to.
How to make it useless in handheld mode with a 30 minute battery life lmao
@@M_CFV90w battery mod
Disable SMT option in bios please.
Your voice reminds me of a young, more techno savvy Wallace Shawn…best known for his role as Vizzini in The Princess Bride.
if you up the vram to 7gb it works really well with ratchet and clank. I beat the whole game on Low and Med GPU settings nothing on very low. DO NOT SET GPU SETTINGS IN GAME IT WILL CRASH lol do it on the start screen before game launch.
If any of you guys have a desktop pc at home id def look into moonlighting to the ally when you have the internet to do so. Saves tons of battery life on the go and proves to be a usefule feature at times IMO.
performance problem is to ditch windows and use chimeraos for a steamdeck like os
Have they fixed TDP controls yet in Chimera?
click hardware tab for supported devices but i ran it on pc just fine but no tdp and who cares on a pc?@@TheTerk
@@CommanderBeefDev tdp control is a critical feature on a handheld, especially when optimizating for battery life or unlocking extra performance.
I want one I'm currently saving up money for one hopefully all the bugs with the sd card will be gone by the time I buy one
I wonder who is going to win out on optimisation of the Z1 extreme? Legion Or ROG ???
Does anyone know if the gpd win 4 is compatible with the portable rog ally dock
That's too much extra shit if you're trying to sell to the masses
That's why I have time stamps. Skip past the explanation and go straight to the results and recommendations
@@TheTerk not you, talking about asus' user friendly experience
@@SiliconDrifter ahh ok. From a general usage perspective, things should just work. Update when the device tells you to update
What language is he speaking?? I fix cars not computers ...some it up in a easier form plesse..lol
Came here only because i misread the title as "Dear Anus, i figured out your performance problem"
Lol
Honestly i dont mind the fan noise. I use mine mostly in manual mode with the fans maxed out from lowest to highest wattage and temps. The speakers are great and if i need to i have headphones and earbuds. I really dont mind. In manual mode my temps stay around 72°C until the heat soak pushes the temp a little higher.
Just did my own Fallout 4 test run as well
Worth noting, FW 323 does allocated processing to GPU at 30w turbo with nominal 95% GPU clock and 25% CPU clock when playing AAA titles.
Native WOA is needed so they can be ARM-based.
Thanks for the guide
Does the dock mode proformace also apply to just having plugged in with the changer in came with? Or just the docks that have 65w support?
Yes, using the included charger alone will work, or any charger that applies enough current.
How long will the ally be relevant to play latest AAA games
Depending on resolution and quality, another 2 years
For suggestion 1: Turn off CPU. If the SoC does not have power gating for CPU, there will be little to no gain as it will be similar to core parking only. Hardware engineer please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Parking in theory should work, but the inactive CPU cores are still receiving power in the sub 1W range. Depending on the power state, caches will be on as well. Electrically disabling the cores should gate them off, and will be managed by firmware, not OS, for greater power efficiency
Any news about sd cardissue?
You mentioned that If ASUS can figure out their 10W performance that we'd get 2 hours of play. Wouldn't it actually get 4 hours since it has a 40Wh battery?
10w for the APU + 10w for the other components on the device (screen, RAM, storage, etc)
@@TheTerk oh okay.
cpudoc can disable the cores.cpudoc is a software.
no, you are WRONG, heat is not the issue with the SD cards. There are proven tests all over their reddit!
He literally gave you the statement from ASUS themselves
@MattCFV Well Asus is wrong. It's shorting from something else.
This video really spells out the issue with the allys performance compared to what we expect out of the chip.
I really want to disable 4 cores. This will allow both the CPU and GPU to hit higher boost clocks
I’m playing ratchet and clank at 31fps low
Have you tried disabling cpu boost? My watts cut in half while still running 60 fps in most 1080p games low/med settings
This game hand held has deadzones in the joysticks and there is no fix. On top of that the company's response to the issue suggested they don't care and wont work on fixing it. Joystick deadzone is a HUGE flaw in such a device and makes leveling up or playing hard mode in games impossible. I will never touch an ASUS product of any kind ever again. Way to big of a flaw to miss.
Asus should drop Microsoft Windows OS and use Steam OS. With a OS like windows. ROG ally's hardware potential is hampered
Would be nice if Steam OS was getting more support from game developers. There’s still so many that haven’t been updated to run in Steam OS “properly”. Some don’t run at all. Plus you can only please games that are in Steam “easily”. While other launchers can be installed they don’t all or always play well.
You can already disable cpu cores in smokeless bios
I'm aware, but prefer to run official bios when I can. Is that working on 6800u yet?
Rachet and Clank plays just fine on Ally.
VRR only works till 48fps so 30fps VRR is not possible
It has low refresh compensation or whatever it's called, so it can go down to 24Hz with that. You can also manually tweak the Hz range to drop down to 30Hz without relying on that compensation feature I mentioned
Lmao 🤣 i get 80 to 120 all the time odk what you guys are doing lmao
probably because the games you are running aren't hard to run....guarantee you're not getting that on remnant 2, elden ring, or baldur's gate.
i think its sillly all you "people" trying to get a high fps AAA experience with a handheld the resolution is too high on the ally for "great experince" mobile plugging it in or lowering resolution helps but meh the steam deck does "GAMING" i own both and find that both are great for what they are but for a "mobile" experience the steam deck is way better the complaints i see you tubers make is not what i see in comment sections and the sales numbers agree with me i just dont see a reason to buy the ally for "mobile gaming" plug it in and monitor up and you got a surprisingly good pc but you can build a more powerfull pc cheaper i just dont get the reason for the feeature set of the ally
You should use punctuation. There's nothing wrong with criticizing Asus for not delivering a better experience, and I'm all about managing expectations.
@@TheTerk you're prolly right i should but i doubt i will
Something tells me you don't own the Ally and are coping.
@@TNDandTMD cuzz its so hard to get or to believe someone would buy both? lol something tells me you are 20-ish
@accelement3499 You're getting heated and I love it 🔥. I'm not 20 btw but good guess. People do say that I look young and handsome. It's obvious you cannot afford an ally
Lol this guy actually believes he's teaching the engineers at Asus some intel they possibly don't already know about their own console.
Asus designs computers, not develop processors. I do this for a living.
I also wouldn't put any credit on Asus engineers when they made such a blunder with the microSD slot
They clearly didn't know where to properly put a microSD slot
theterk he is just a geek at what he do 😃
the battery on the asus rog ally is just absolutely horrible the battery on the steam deck is much better than the asus rog ally
It's about the same actually I usually get 2-3 hours of life
Well there are twice the cpu cores being pushed, 33% more graphics cores, more pixels, and twice the refresh rate..... what do you expect hahaha
Why you being a fanboy this is an asus rog ally video not a steam deck video people will like what they like and just want it to be better hop off the cock already
Don't care what anyone says the steam deck will always have the support and the community all these other companies wont have that they will have your money but you wont have their support when it breaks it breaks.
Umm, Asus has done a good job of replacing defective Allys, and warranty support is guaranteed. Don't be a fanboy
@@TheTerk I'm not a fan boy I just don't like it glad you had a great experience with asus but not everyone has.
Gotta remember Steam Deck has been around for longer so the Ally has plenty of time to get even better. Also how you gonna say you don’t like a product if you’ve never owned it yourself?