Unfortunately. This person gives uninformed opinions from a layman's perspective, posing as the opposite. These videos would be much better without the distracting, and frankly inaccurate, description text.
@@NFStopsnuf HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA He loves music, and writes about what he loves. Reading his essays posing as descriptions on the Beethoven sonatas was invaluable for me. I'd trust a layman over an 'expert' nowadays.
im sorry but what are the chances that i decide to look up your channel earlier today, saw you havent uploaded in a year, and then you magically return with a chopin video. unreal. welcome back
00:00 - Introduction A Section 00:07 - A1. Great textural writing. Note 2nd beat accents from m.25, chromatic colour from mm.29-32, and the descending bassline from C#-A# from m.37-9. The latter becomes an important motif: inverted at m.43 in the RH, chromatically filled in from mm.117-124. 01:00 - A2. Develops the basic texture from A1. Clever interplay between the hands, rising to a wild chromatic passage at m.101 and one of Chopin’s rare fffs at the m.110 diminished 7th cascade. 01:33 - A1 02:24 - A2 02:58 - A1. The transition to the trio (3:46) both desolate and very tender. Chopin likes deploying these thin, almost recitative-like textures in his scherzos, and they’re a beautiful contrast to the frenetic writing around them. B Section (Trio) 04:03 - B1. A carol with an upper pedal (F#), and a less-mentioned lower one (the bass B). At m.310 the pedal tone turns into a melody, highlighting a temporary modulation into F#. 04:47 - B2. No more pedal tones, just pure melody. 05:23 - B1 06:07 - B2 06:44 - B1 A Section 07:52 - A1 08:43 - A2 09:17 - A1. The same transition that led to the trio now tenses up as if in a seizure, leading to the Coda 10:11. Even more chromatic neighbours, now in nearly every bar.
Welcome back! You are the only person who can make me listen to four performances in a row of this piece I heard so many times. Given its repetitive nature, even once can feel like four in many interpretations. Paleczny's was my favorite, but your descriptions are the real MVP.
It's a rare treat to find a performance like Shirinyan's that puts a complete spin on an otherwise familiar piece. LH at 14:39 made my jaw drop (in a good way). Great vid as always Ashish!
Derangement definitely, but to my mind the “raw power” one is the third scherzo. One of the really few times Chopin writes parallel octaves, and then he puts in like a bazillion of them!
FWIW for those who haven’t heard it: I have yet to hear a more electric recording of this piece than Pletnev’s live Carnegie version, which is bristling and tumultuous, with razor sharp clarity
I've been composing for years. You have made me appreciate structure and classical music in general so much more. After a long exploration of other musical continents, I've started to see my home shore of classical music listening to late Beethoven again. And you release this video. Thank you. I appreciate this and much of your work.
Fresh? To me does come to mind: crazy, fierce, on fire, in fact sort of a musical bomb. Totally under shock, thousand % Stendhal's syndrome. Last time I felt so profoundly shocked was few years ago listening first time to a young Mikhail Pletnëv playing, guess? These same four Chopins Scherzos. Stopped breathing, heart furiously pounding, tears beginning to pour out... Did not imagine I would experience this again! Please, Signor Paleczny, when and where are you performing next? Please ❤
@@swiss6th Oh, grateful for your words and also happy for sharing the same feeling about Pletnëv's Scherzos, as friends, even professional musicians, foolish me about my musical profound visceral admiration for him. Well, don't give a damn, as would Rhett Butler say! Besides, my Stendhal's syndrome augments each time I attend one of Mr P.'s concerts.
36:56 Love this passage, that constant switch between the violent chords at the beginning and the gentle but fading carol. Petrov's second chord is unbelievably short, yet you can still hear the bass ominously echoing out.
I do adore all of these recordings. The Katsaris rendition of this scherzo is still amongst the most deconstructionist interpretations I've ever listened to... Each refrain of the same material having been toyed with in an alchemical way (e.g: stressing the LH in the first beat, voicings, voicings and more voicings, gesticulate highlighting that really brings out the absurdism/dark irony). It's quite jarring to listen to at first, but swiftly assimilates itself into the catalogue of '-isms' that your mind gets used to with each new interpretation that you hear. I feel very grateful that these four interpretations have their own '-isms' that do the same.
One of the few pianists these days with a really distinctive and consistent individual style. Doesn’t necessarily work for every piece, but when it does work - hoo boy
@@AshishXiangyiKumar any other examples of pieces where you think his style especially works? There is a recording on RUclips of him playing the Medtner ‘Paladin’ Tale which is the best version I’ve ever heard. It makes me wish he would tackle some of the sonatas.
ahhhhhh this piece still gives me flashbacks to the time I badly fucked it up on stage about 7 years ago 😭 I just got completely frozen on one of the runs coming right out of the middle section fun times those were
Wow... I've never heard anything like Paleczny's interpretation here, the way each phrase insists on being heard as an individual. It's like if you were dropped into a noisy, bustling cafe with the ability to overhear and understand everybody simultaneously.
Honestly, among these, I prefer Paleczny. It is remarkably clear and granular. Which Petrov ist this, btw ? I can see why you wanted to insert Shirinyan, if only for variety and a different viewpoint. The others are of a level at least roughly comparable to Pogorelich 1998 Deutsche Grammophon, but I still prefer his take over all these, re-listening while I write this.
“How will gravity array itself, if wit is already cloaked so darkly?’, asked Robert Schumann in his review of Chopin’s Scherzo in B minor, Op. 20. His astonishment is easily understood, since the name ‘scherzo’ (It.) literally means ‘joke’, whereas Chopin’s scherzos are almost never humorous or light-hearted. Quite the contrary: the four expansive one-movement works to which Chopin gave the title scherzo are marked with a drama and form which were unprecedented in the genre.
Funny you should mention -- my original version of this video included Pogo as the second recording! But eventually I decided these four between them displayed many of the virtues of that recording (plus the Pogo is really well-known already).
Basically: not sticking to the underlying pulse. A bit more specifically, using rubato to emphasise narratively important points (eg the start of a phrase, the high point of a passage).
He’s back! 🤩
Unfortunately. This person gives uninformed opinions from a layman's perspective, posing as the opposite. These videos would be much better without the distracting, and frankly inaccurate, description text.
@@NFStopsnuf What makes them inaccurate?
@@NFStopsnuf HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He loves music, and writes about what he loves. Reading his essays posing as descriptions on the Beethoven sonatas was invaluable for me. I'd trust a layman over an 'expert' nowadays.
im sorry but what are the chances that i decide to look up your channel earlier today, saw you havent uploaded in a year, and then you magically return with a chopin video. unreal. welcome back
00:00 - Introduction
A Section
00:07 - A1. Great textural writing. Note 2nd beat accents from m.25, chromatic colour from mm.29-32, and the descending bassline from C#-A# from m.37-9. The latter becomes an important motif: inverted at m.43 in the RH, chromatically filled in from mm.117-124.
01:00 - A2. Develops the basic texture from A1. Clever interplay between the hands, rising to a wild chromatic passage at m.101 and one of Chopin’s rare fffs at the m.110 diminished 7th cascade.
01:33 - A1
02:24 - A2
02:58 - A1. The transition to the trio (3:46) both desolate and very tender. Chopin likes deploying these thin, almost recitative-like textures in his scherzos, and they’re a beautiful contrast to the frenetic writing around them.
B Section (Trio)
04:03 - B1. A carol with an upper pedal (F#), and a less-mentioned lower one (the bass B). At m.310 the pedal tone turns into a melody, highlighting a temporary modulation into F#.
04:47 - B2. No more pedal tones, just pure melody.
05:23 - B1
06:07 - B2
06:44 - B1
A Section
07:52 - A1
08:43 - A2
09:17 - A1. The same transition that led to the trio now tenses up as if in a seizure, leading to the
Coda
10:11. Even more chromatic neighbours, now in nearly every bar.
It's been 10 years since I first heard the middle section and it's still one of the most soothingly beautiful things I've listened to
YOU THE GOAT ASHISH
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I will never get sick of hearing a sudden 'secco' like at 22:45. Reminds me of Pogorelich
One of my favorite kinds of color changes
Welcome back! You are the only person who can make me listen to four performances in a row of this piece I heard so many times. Given its repetitive nature, even once can feel like four in many interpretations. Paleczny's was my favorite, but your descriptions are the real MVP.
It's a rare treat to find a performance like Shirinyan's that puts a complete spin on an otherwise familiar piece. LH at 14:39 made my jaw drop (in a good way). Great vid as always Ashish!
Eh it’s alright but nothing compared to Cynthia Elizando 🥱
Each Chopin Scherzi are so peak in their own way. This one is the raw power and derangement.
Derangement definitely, but to my mind the “raw power” one is the third scherzo. One of the really few times Chopin writes parallel octaves, and then he puts in like a bazillion of them!
The man, the myth, the legend… Welcome back Ashish!
It is amazing how much variation can be seen between the performers, each with their own beauty.
FWIW for those who haven’t heard it: I have yet to hear a more electric recording of this piece than Pletnev’s live Carnegie version, which is bristling and tumultuous, with razor sharp clarity
I've been composing for years. You have made me appreciate structure and classical music in general so much more. After a long exploration of other musical continents, I've started to see my home shore of classical music listening to late Beethoven again. And you release this video. Thank you. I appreciate this and much of your work.
I especially love Paleczny's recording, it feels very fresh!
Fresh?
To me does come to mind: crazy, fierce, on fire, in fact sort of a musical bomb.
Totally under shock, thousand % Stendhal's syndrome.
Last time I felt so profoundly shocked was few years ago listening first time to a young Mikhail Pletnëv playing, guess? These same four Chopins Scherzos.
Stopped breathing, heart furiously pounding, tears beginning to pour out...
Did not imagine I would experience this again!
Please, Signor Paleczny, when and where are you performing next? Please ❤
@micaelabonetti949 I can definitely see the Pletnev correlation
@@swiss6th Oh, grateful for your words and also happy for sharing the same feeling about Pletnëv's Scherzos, as friends, even professional musicians, foolish me about my musical profound visceral admiration for him.
Well, don't give a damn, as would Rhett Butler say!
Besides, my Stendhal's syndrome augments each time I attend one of Mr P.'s concerts.
Babe wake up, new Ashish Xiangyi Kumar video dropped
OMG welcome back we missed u!!!!!
Return of the king
Wow! Very impressed by your analyses AND above all by your pianists choice, all hair raising in their personal way.
Un colpo nello stomaco!
welcome back king 👑
36:56 Love this passage, that constant switch between the violent chords at the beginning and the gentle but fading carol. Petrov's second chord is unbelievably short, yet you can still hear the bass ominously echoing out.
The legend is back ! Thanks for the excellent choice of recordings
Hope retirement’s been treating you well! Nice to see you appear in my subscriptions feed again.
thank you, i’ve been quietly obsessed with this piece for the last month
I do adore all of these recordings. The Katsaris rendition of this scherzo is still amongst the most deconstructionist interpretations I've ever listened to... Each refrain of the same material having been toyed with in an alchemical way (e.g: stressing the LH in the first beat, voicings, voicings and more voicings, gesticulate highlighting that really brings out the absurdism/dark irony). It's quite jarring to listen to at first, but swiftly assimilates itself into the catalogue of '-isms' that your mind gets used to with each new interpretation that you hear. I feel very grateful that these four interpretations have their own '-isms' that do the same.
I love Grosvenor's version! Especially 28:40 and 29:37 - so satisfying
One of the few pianists these days with a really distinctive and consistent individual style. Doesn’t necessarily work for every piece, but when it does work - hoo boy
@@AshishXiangyiKumar any other examples of pieces where you think his style especially works?
There is a recording on RUclips of him playing the Medtner ‘Paladin’ Tale which is the best version I’ve ever heard. It makes me wish he would tackle some of the sonatas.
Return of the king!
Back with a Scherzo is unbelievable
Bro returns with a banger
omg he’s back and im practicing this piece
So glad you are back
Grosvenor remains my favorite. I felt that way ever since I first heard his recording of this piece.
What a comeback Ashish!
The chord at 37:03 made me audibly gasp!
It made me laugh lol. Not sure what he was thinking.
Legend has returned
I was just listening to Yundi Li perform the scherzi set earlier, from your channel, what a coincidence that no 1 is uploaded today.
My favourite RUclips Channel is back!
Welcome, welcome.
Welcome back!
Good to see you're back.
ahhhhhh this piece still gives me flashbacks to the time I badly fucked it up on stage about 7 years ago 😭 I just got completely frozen on one of the runs coming right out of the middle section
fun times those were
Ugh, feel ya
Are you me? I have trauma associated with this piece from bungling it on stage around 7 years ago too haha
when the world most needed him, he returned
Finally my classic youtube is back online
Very random yet very welcome return
Love Paleczny's interpretation. So fiercely jagged. Reminds me a bit of Nyiregyhazi.
Wow... I've never heard anything like Paleczny's interpretation here, the way each phrase insists on being heard as an individual. It's like if you were dropped into a noisy, bustling cafe with the ability to overhear and understand everybody simultaneously.
It sounds like a type writer. Listen to Koczalski play Chopjn Scherzo 2. That's Chopin!
Very well felt and written!
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Grosvenor coda is amazing...
Welcome back❤
I've been studying this for almost two months now. It's difficult, but very fun to play in my opinion.
20:21 woah
Honestly, among these, I prefer Paleczny. It is remarkably clear and granular. Which Petrov ist this, btw ? I can see why you wanted to insert Shirinyan, if only for variety and a different viewpoint. The others are of a level at least roughly comparable to Pogorelich 1998 Deutsche Grammophon, but I still prefer his take over all these, re-listening while I write this.
“How will gravity array itself, if wit is already cloaked so darkly?’, asked Robert Schumann in his review of Chopin’s Scherzo in B minor, Op. 20. His astonishment is easily understood, since the name ‘scherzo’ (It.) literally means ‘joke’, whereas Chopin’s scherzos are almost never humorous or light-hearted. Quite the contrary: the four expansive one-movement works to which Chopin gave the title scherzo are marked with a drama and form which were unprecedented in the genre.
thanks
Bro comes back
wow you're back!!!!!! 🥹
I was so confused, because my name is also shirinyan
Welcome back! 🤑🤑
another round of scherzi! scherzi is such a funny word
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Oh Ekier's edition!
Nice to hear from you I thought you said you were retiring from this- was it just a break ?
I retired full stop - nothing to do with this channel!
@ It really is you, right. I love your channel. It is one of the best music channels on RUclips, imho…
38:10 i love it
Paleczny, I think
You just remembered that you have a channel?
Are you serious ? Chopin's scherzo No. 1 without Pogorelich 1998 Deutsche Grammophon ?
Funny you should mention -- my original version of this video included Pogo as the second recording! But eventually I decided these four between them displayed many of the virtues of that recording (plus the Pogo is really well-known already).
yessssss❤
It’s been a year. Hope you’re doing well.
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Is it just me, or does this Scherzo clearly have moments where it is very reminiscent of the 1989 Batman theme? Duh duh duh DUH......
11:26, what is that light sharp sound in the background ?
probably a breath that the sound engineers couldn't scrub out
Happy new year
Grosvenor !!
What do you mean by “rhetorical” phrasing?
Basically: not sticking to the underlying pulse. A bit more specifically, using rubato to emphasise narratively important points (eg the start of a phrase, the high point of a passage).
@@AshishXiangyiKumar As in the original sense of rhetoric, not rhetorical as in a rhetorical question
1:33 gershwin prelude haha🤣🤣
Where have you been?❤
Ok, but personally, I like the Cindy Elizondo version better 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Diamond-grade clarity, earth-shattering chords, hidden voicings, masterful rubato, almost overwhelming amounts of passion... Elizondo absolutely owns this piece.
@@블루스크랴빈 ok you two got me, nicely done
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i'll give you 4 nice prize for ekier edition 👍👍👍👍
Please enjoy your retirement by posting more vids 🔥🔥🔥
I have to say, not a fan of Paleczny's interpretation
All these pianists get a wrong tempo at the beginning because they instantantly speed up and that annoys me so much, i can play this better
I mean, it's not like this throwaway piece deserves to be played well.
ok
ラキトリの中でもクソ台。
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