Tvs Apache RTR 160 4V Negatives ❌ & Positives | Best Bike in 160CC ?
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- The TVS Apache RTR 160 4V is a popular bike in India, known for its sporty design and performance. Powered by a refined 159.7cc single-cylinder engine, it delivers a peppy ride with 17.5 PS of power. The bike features advanced aerodynamics, enhancing stability at high speeds. Its sharp LED headlamp and digital instrument cluster add a modern touch. With a 5-speed gearbox, it offers a smooth and responsive gear shift. The RTR 160 4V boasts a robust chassis, ensuring agile handling. This bike caters to enthusiasts seeking a thrilling riding experience, making it a standout choice in the competitive 160cc segment. In this video, You’ll get my honest take on this motorcycle with the positive and negative points.
This bike is a killer Street fighter bike...I found only two negatives.
1) Abs:- Dual Channel abs is a must need. Whereas it has single channel abs.
2)One more gear:- Tvs should've given 6th gear. I can feel the engine's telling me that I wanna go more....I want more... I want to run more....
But the lack of 6th gear is restricting the engine from doing so.
3) As an owner my honest recommendation:-
Overall I would not recommend this bike for a beginner..
Because beginner riders will switch to sport mode for fun and will try rush it further their limitations...
Which will only cause death...or injury or an fatal accident.
In my opinion it's not a beginner bike.... The machine is a killer...
And you will feel the RTR technology whenever you'll drive it...or ride it...
The racing throttle response is not a bluff or a fake advertising... It's real.
In our West Bengal many people have injured themselves by driving this bike...cause they underestimate the power of this bike and try to show their macho-ness by riding it aggressively....
Where they have no idea that they are riding a suicide machine which cannot be underestimated.
So yeah don't be like them...if you're a beginner then go for TVS Raider which is still punchy but less punchier than the apache....
And if you've brought TVS apache by mistake...then keep it....but drive on urban mode for atleast 4-5 months get your hands steady, know your bike, feel your bike.
Then switch to sports mode
(*IF NEEDED*)
Rain for beginners is a 90...but urban for beginners is hundred... I mean must needed.
Thank you for the information
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Thank You Vai For Information
Bought this machine last month here are few positives and negatives:
1) good performance, the engine likes to rev and it the bike also feels most comfortable at 70- 80 crusing.
2) the looks, they are good
3) sound of e20 varient is very basy.
4) the body is very simple in terms of components this i think will result in cheaper replacements.
5) tires i think are good, they do look skinny especially the front one but till now i havent had any bad skidding issues they are really grippy, also being 4v 160cc this bike pull good milage depending how you ride it (i have gotten 42 not even first service done)
6) the bike is well protected from factory my friends bike fell over and it only scrached the handle bar and engine guard.
Negatives :
1)Breaking: the tvs calipers are not good too many people having issues with them. Mine already started making screeching noise, wipe disk with IPA periodically and get brake pads cleaned with low grit sandpaper.
2) chain noise : its problem with most bikes in this price point be it n160, fz, or this one just clean and lube it periodically.
I dont know if this is the problem with my bike or what but it doesn't have lower chain guide so at low speeds chain bounces a bit.
3) Turing radius: its kind of good and bad at the same time. Taking u turns is a nightmare. But also if you get in sticky situating your front wont skid due to high turning radius. Also bike pushes you to lean it a bit while turning.
4) gear shifts are bit hard on my bike (first service not done ), my friends bike feels smoother he has done 10k on his bike.
No bike is perfect you need to get used to it.
Ride safe guys.
I am thinking of buying rtr160 4v and took a test ride also.. but I'm confused between n160 or rtr 160 4v which one to buy.. n160 is also good but in terms of looks and power I just love rtr🤗❤Your points helped a lot, but can you tell if apache is worth buying?
@@pinoqio8868 Check what price you are getting it at I got mine for 1.56 which was cheap and same as n160. If you want pillion comfort then go with apache 160 4v, it's not an issue then go with top variant n160.
Take test rides for both for good 20 minutes and then decide.
Also my height is 5 feet 8 and on 4v any ride above 50kms gets heavy on wrist. Also for e20 model of 4v they have increased seat height a bit.
@@shantanuyadav6135 i got cotation of both n160 and Apache.. and they both cost same @1.62L. but n160 is ₹800 more expensive than RTR SE.
@@shantanuyadav6135 I don't want split seat that's why I am 90% convinced to buy Apache.. but rtr lacks dual channel ABS but in n160 it's available at same price. That made me to wait/think to which one to buy💁🏻
90-100 pe fzv4 chala lo kitna jiya da comfortable and confident dega
I own rtr 4v special edition. Only one negative i faced if its front braking. I need to pull it harder to stop the bike.
Never faced any issues with service center.
My height is 5.5 this bike is perfect match for my height.
I bought one , last month , i can agree with all the points u said . One more drawback i would like to add is tht , we do get false neutral sometimes , Turing radius is alot for a naked bike , its nearly same as r15
Yeah bro same
I was not expecting for turning radius
@@yousufmusthaneer9738 you will get use to it
Bro 2-3 service ke baad wo chala jayega don't worry
Spot on with the turning radius, it's a headache during u-turns on narrow roads.
I'm 5 11" and mene 2500KM chala liya he
⛔ : Rear tyre thoda skid hota he
: SmartXConnect ko over hyped kia he
: Headlight thoda or Powerful ho sakta tha.
✅ : Best performance
: Comfort ke mamle me koi bhi dikkat nai hua. Knee mast tank ke niche fit ho jata he.
: Ache Service centre me service ki jiye koi problem nai hoga...
: Ek ghatna hua tha due to Dog 🐕jaha pe brake ummid se acha perform kia tha , Me 71 pe Chal rha the or jese hi wo aaya speed 71》59》42》29》8 with 80% front brake .
: 5th gear me min 57 pe chalna hi padega nai to knocking hota he.
For me it's best ❤🎉
Wow your height exactly matches mine
Glad to find out that the legs aren't cramped
I like this bike a lot will definitely test ride it
Thank you for your comment❤
@@Just_A_Indian_Dude Yes, take a test ride for better understanding 👍.
My height is 6'1", what's your opinion brother.
Can i buy apache rtr 4v considering my height?
@@lucky1565 Yes without any confusion ✌. Take a test ride for your better understanding 😉.
@@Prabhas_dash because I am very confused between Apache RTR and Ronin.
I'm looking to buy a 150-160cc bike. Pulsar N160 is what I've closed in on, but the thought of the Apache definitely keeps returning to my mind.
Exactly...but now i convinced myself to buy N160
n160 is better in my opinion, better refinement and offcourse dual channel is there
Yes, I think that extra 3ps of power in the Apache wouldn't be that much in real world...or would it? Ugh ab aur confused 🥲👍
Yes dual channel ABS is 👌
Pehle mai bhi n160 lene ki soch ra tha par for some reason I bought apache but man o man full paisa wasool hai apache or road presence of apache is better than n160 in my opinion
I got this bike last month
My negatives
1. Head light can be more powerful compared to n160
2. No dual channel abs..most of the times you won't notice
3. No Distance to empty indicator ( even raider gets it😢 )
4. Milage is around 40 in Urban mode... Present I'm unemployed so not daring to ride on sports mode 😅
3 point samajh nahi aaya
@@surajnath_ it will display how distance you can go with fuel in remaining in the tank
2 mahine pehle Maine special edition buy Kiya ❤❤ And I am fully satisfied 😊❤ love this machine 😊
Congratulations bro 🎉
Price
@@Lokesh11137 1lakh 65 thousand
@@dushkriti32 thank you bro
On road price which state please reply 😢😢
The drawback of rtr 160 4v is it is not comfortable for tall people and because of its sporty dimensions, leg feels cramped and too much pressure on your hands in long rides. Also, such thin tires is not good for bike stability and safety
Yes he said that in the video too. So maybe it's true
True that above 5.9 feet it's uncomfortable....
@@anurodhpatil4776 is pay hatoda may hagit kam karo comfatebal hojaiga
I've tried RTR 160 4v and really it's very uncomfortable for tall riders
My height is 6 feet and I was feeling cramped and my wrists were paining tooo
Apache is not for tall people
I just didi 640km ride from Delhi to Ayodhya in a day, and i didn't feel any pressure on my hand. Only problem I got nearly after 400 km pain in my Bum 😂😂
Kitna mileage Diya bhai
@@rishi4828 40-45
. sidha baat maat lo .... 30 ka milage deta hai city me 160cc😂 .... 122-125 se upar gya hi nhi.... na power na milage.... bas tvs ka jhunjhuna.... maintenance bhi bahut hai ... paint quality to 1 no ghatiya hai.....tyre to lag rha mithai vala rubber se bna hoga.... itna slippery hai... bass log isko dekha dekhi me le leta hai.... includes me...😅kuchh kharab hua to service centre ki bas me nhi hai thik karna.. .gari lene ke khuch din baad hi handle se aavaj aane lag gya.... abhi tak sahi nhi hua.... 5months ho gya....
spare part to hamesha order karna parega.... ek showroom me nhi hai matlab kahi nhi hai.... ek drain bolt washer ke liye 3 showroom gye fir bhi nhi mila....😑hoga bhi nhi dega haramkhor sab...
fir local market se leke aaya😂😂
life ka pehla bike hai.... aur bhi lenge lekin TVS ka product jindegi me kabhi nhi....😂 ye agar non Indian hota to kab ka gayab ho jata.... vocal for local ne jinda rkha😂😂
go to non Indian brand....vo bhi tax paid karta hai...aur achha product banata hai😊
I have been using this bike since 2 years ,,,I have been facing Starting problem, frequently Alarms glowing like ABS, Engine and Mode Errors ,,, till now not solved... My Humble suggestion is go for Bike which are low Faults, Durable and kick start..
Mileage
Major problem in Rtr 4v is the front tyre is so skinny TVS can easily provide 100 section tyre rather than 90 section tyre 😊
Rear tyre b 120/130 hi h acc to models
I really don't like how Tvs is providing the same 90 section front tier in the RTR160 2v as well as same in the 160 4v & 200 4v meanwhile companies like Yamaha is even providing 100 section front & 140 section rear in its 150cc segments.
@@tayyabahmed6389 bhai ye isliye asa krr rhe h kuki bda Yamaha ki bikes jse tyre lga denge to mileage , power vgera km ho jaygi.. ye tvs h Yamaha nhi Jo sb kuch de skta h
@@akhil_Khatrii Sahi baat kahi, per phir bhi Bajaj, hero tak apni 160CCs me bhi tier acche dete hain.
@@tayyabahmed6389 130tk hi dete h vo b last ...bs dominar 400 me hai 150 section tyres
Its been 2 years I am using this bike.
Cons: service centre is really bad... They don't know how to update the software also. They don't know how to manage and service a spot bike.
After 1st free service,I have not used rest 5-6 free service.
I prefer to go to local mechanic or do the service myself.
2) break is not good for both front and rear and front tyre always gets jammed.
3) engine noise after 5000 km
4) Paint chipping from engine,break callippers and alloy wheels.
5) no led indicators
TVS mat lena meri apache 160 4v kharab kar diya bilkul ghatiya service hai engine oil leakage problem, chain se awaz(sprocket badalne ke baad bhi), low bike pickup, parts replaced with other bikes parts. pls dont buy tvs.
also service person fighting with me when i tell him the issues. he saying that he knows more than me he will do what is necessary. worst service. i will never buy tvs again in my life
2 V kesa hai
Phir bhi lunga
The problem is not with the bike or brand, it’s all about the Bad Service Centres at your location!!
We use TVS Apache for few years, and performance is awesome 🔥. Here we gets some good service stations.
आपके पास पैसे नहीं ही लेने के इसलिए अँगूर खट्टे है😂😂😂😂😂😂
Apache 160 4v bs4 bought 5 years ago .still no problem at speed of 130kmph. No engine problem no vibration issue❤
Please make a comparison video on RTR 160 4V
Vs PULSAR N160
Need this type of video for Suzuki Gixxer 155 naked. Planing to buy Gixxer.
Why naked? He's better with clothes
One of the most spot on reviews that i have seen till date as i have personally own this vehicle and rode around 30k kms , can confirm the negatives of the bike too is correctly told…keep up the great work…
160 4v ke parts nhi milte servie center pe aur market mein.
I bought this bike on 20th Aug, 2023....the main problem of this bike is mileage...I am not a harsh driver....my highest speed is 70, never crossed 6000 rpm and average speed is 20-30 kmph and I drive mainly in crowded roads...this bike is giving only 30 kmpl mileage...
Service center is telling once it will cross 2000 km, it will provide 45-48 kmpl...let's see..
You should go to some other service center as I have the same bike and my gave atleast 38 to 40 mileage since day one upon driving in sports mode (mostly in 80 to 90 kmph cruise)
Personally issue I feel is chain problem. It keeps making noise even after riding it few km after service.
2nd drawback is brake puch and feel
3rd is service guys. Now from my personal experience the mechanic lacks the electronics knowledge
Engine vibration issue is still there. I bought this bike 6 months ago. Smooth ride as we get in Yamaha or Suzuki bikes is something missing here. Rest all the things in bike are good.
First like and comment, good bro always watching your video's ❤
yes man, at times i do feel like this bike didnt got proper tire treatment. compared to what we get on Ntorq that thing with 110 rear makes it look chunky and 100 on front is good for the scooter but same cannot be said for the bike. 90/90 is what you get on commuter scooters like activa and jupiter. at least a 100/80 style of tyres should be on front. also rtr 180 2v got some real good cosmetic upgrades. headlamp and taillamp looks real good. also i would like to contradict myself, ek snippet of video dekha tha jisme tvs 160 class race me i think front and rear me 90 section ke tire ka use kar rahi thi. man that looked awful from the rear but wo racers mast corner kar rahe the. still i would love to see 100/80 front and 140/70 rear for the nomal road riders.
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Sure man
plastic or metal fuel tank innthis 4v model??
Only drawback is service!
Nothing else as of now
And also braking could have been improved more and additional weight should be removed
So far so good.. been 2 years since I bought it... regular servicing and ma8ntainance keeps it in good health... I do however don't like the buzzy nature of it sometimes.... and as mentioned..... brakes and skinny tyres are a bummer too
7 months used...now selling out bike.
Good for city driving but not for long rides...
Feels powerless on highway
Turning radius and breaking system not that good
Disponted with servicing
Gear shifts are bit hard
One negative point you forgot that is 5 speed gear box
Just completed first servicing and attempted top speed. Reached 117 and then the speedometer started declining coming to 116,115,114. The servicing guy said that's the max this bike goes and 117 is the exact number in the spec sheet but I've seen RUclipsrs achieve atleast 125+. Help?
They probably have changed the air filter to freeflow filter that helps in the top speed and on higher rev but can affect the overall mileage
@@Sm.encore mine easily achieves 130 on anyday.. going strong too
Bone stock .. 0 mods
I achieved 117 with pillion before first service
Did you guys have ecu software update in 1st servicing?
are sir ji hm thk gye demand krte krte,
We want review of Apache rtr310..
Appreciate ur knowledgeable videos, Love from maharashtra 🎉❤
Bhai tvs 160 4v ke parts nhi mil rahe. Na market mein na showroom mein. Tvs ke parts short hein. Factory se hi nhi aate. 1604v ke plastic part, wiring, cowl kuch nhi mil raha.
Waiting for TVS APACHE RTR 160 2V review, love from Maharashtra
Mileage? I am getting 30 kmpl
No bro meri 70 se down speed pe 40 tak nikal rahi hai 2 year hone wala hai
I own this model for last 27 months and have driven 16k kms and never faced any issues whatsoever
Also experiences will differ for different people and I treat my bike well and get its service at right time so all good
Mileage is just between 42-45
Great review... defines each and every single point... but what about Mileage???
Please make a detailed video on sp 160 comparing with fz v4
Love the vids would love for you to do more videos on Karizma xmr
Bhai under 2.10 lacks kon si bike achchi hai for performance and family based purchase karni hai please help me Bhai ❤❤❤
Dominar 250
Go for Yamaha FZ25 best for all your requirement
@@nikhilrijal8971 Production stopped
Bro, Apache is now loaded with Dual Channel ABS
Agar koi 5.6-5.10 ke bich wale log hai
Comfort ke mamle pey RTR best hai.
20K + riding ke hisab se baata rHa hun.
Aur ek din pey 500km v gaya hun.
Eagerly waiting for the himalayan 450 review from you
I use Apache 1604v from 4 years I face brakes problem and service is not satisfactory..
REAL CONS .. patle tyres 90 front 120/130 rear acc to model
Very thin front forks..
Very small size disks compare to segment
Not comfortable for tall riders
It only looks great from side angles... front headlight is like a 100cc bike and back look is also not sportier
Abe ye real cons nhi hai..real cons hai single channel ABS
@@avinashyadav7289 single channel abs is ok if u have good skills...apne hath me b honi chiye kuch breaking..
love your vids
Front suspension up and down wala dena chahiye aur tft display dena chahiye
You missed one more con- Dual channel ABS
Thank you so much for the review sir❤
Bhai sahab maine 10 days pahle ye bike liya hai.. Bike so good.. But after 100 km.. Engine ke tapped noise aaya..1 st service kl hi krvai.. Taped Setting krne ke bad bhi solve nhi hua.. Abhi bhi engine me tik tik saund krta hai.. 😢.. Kya kre?
Start krte hi tik tik sound aata he kya bhai? Mera gear dalne ke baad jab gadi chalata hun tab aata he halka sa. October 19 ko liya tha bike. Clutch lever me v thoda jerk type ka feel hota he.
Start krte hi aata hai.. 30-40 speed me chalne ke bad jyada aata hai.. Ye taped sound hai.. Jo Engine ki head se aata hai.. 1st service me maine dikhaya tha.. Unhone set bhi kiya..but abhi bhi vaise ke vaisa hai
I bought the bike a year ago
Bike has many major issues after 15000km engine produce knocking sound when its reaches 80 km/h
Sparks plugs damages twice
Also right front suspension leaked
Bike service center experience is very poor
Whatever bajaj and TVS produce bikes can't touch the quality and refinement of Honda and Yamaha
Particularly refinement and smoothness
For me HONDA products are big NO NO.... Their products and service centers are hell of a place
But being Indian, I will support Indian brands... All bikes I have till date is bajaj and tvs
I have bought recently...at what speed i should drive right now ?
before 1st service ride below 50kmhr
Below 50 km/hr until first 1000km
@@adeshshinde7147 but what to do if I already crossed that limit with revving engine
@@KamilShaikhh Going above 50km/hr 5/6 times doesnt harm that much. Just be careful in future.
Yes bro at last what you told was right, service is not up to the mark.
Rain or urbun mode per kitni power rahti he plz ,, reply
Mt15 ke baad yahi bike Pasand aayi merko is segment me, and ’m 6ft merko koi dikkat nahi Huyi, fit logon ke liye bani hai sport bikes, fatties ke liye vo cruiser hain..🙂
Me toh 40+ average nikaal rha isse 😉 .. chalane ki baat hai bas aur mujhe ye extreme and baki bike se jyda psand hai looks
Rtr ki headlight design bilkul bakwas hai
Muje toh accha lagta hai baki looks subjective hotha hai kisi ko pasand athe hai kisi ko nahi
@@manmohanmajhi6886 ha bhai
Ha mujhe bhi bakwas lage
Recently sold out my RTR160 2v was thinking to move on to RTR160 4V but the same tier being given in all Apache series upto 200 4v just makes me wonder if that would be a good decision or else i should go for the Pulsar N250. Please suggest what would be a good pick RTR160 4V, 200 4V or the Pulsar N160 or N250 in a budget of max 2 lakh?
@@FearlessFreak-du5oj Thank your for your recommendation, I'm thinking of test riding the N250 & RTR200 4V, shall be choosing among these two.
go for n250.. i admire its road presence and loud exhaust note. should have been given usd otherwise bike is overall good
@@jitendrabopche3659 N250 is indeed undeniably a powerful yet very underrated motorcycle but then the issue arises with its availability at most bajaj dealership, Both N250 & F250 are hardly available in stock, But I'll go and see it myself at the bajaj showroom.
What brand are those gloves? Can you share the link?
Mileage
Cb300f pe detailed video please❤
As soon as possible
@@srmotoworld thanks ❤️
Heating issue not solved by upgrading oil cooler
Sir aapka kya Bhopal me Yamaha balo se bhi collaboration hai kya qki me Yamaha ki bike lene ka soch rha tha agar aapka support mil jata to accha hota
Suvega yamaha pr jaake mera boldena aap discount mil jana chahie
Is fz v2 is closed loop or open loop fuel injection system....? Please reply......
And what can we do in budget modification for performance.....? Please reply anyone....
Hlo Vai Mera Rtr 160 v4 Sclater Full Pe v Rmp Hight Low Ho raha hay Aayur first Self Pe Star Ho Raha Hay Magar sclater lena par Bike Band Ho raha hay Plz Solutions do😢
Brother ye bike Lena iss time pe worth hai kya family and apne daily prapose k liye plz suggest.
For family ,milega, u can consider fz . U can consider 1604v but slightly low mileage 40/45 kmpl and fast acceleration. Fz-45/50 kmpl low pickup
TVS company wale se request hai ki aage wala telescopic USD mein update kar diya jaaye
Isme kuch main problem hai ek toh iska gearbox bhut inconsistent hai aur dusra iska front tyre bhut jldi ganda jarta hai engine ko ...
Long tour k lea kya j best hai?
Bro her bike fuel tank kisbanega eska fuel tank normal palestic banaiab lorta kew other bike fuel tank kis banegi plz discussion
I have a question....!
Xtreme Higher gear me low speed par bhi easily pull kar jati hai... To kya Rtr4v me bhi ye hota hai ?
Please reply 🙏
Don't know about 4v....but that thing works on n160 for sure
Which is bike best comfortable fzs v4 vs rtr160
And weight difference in this bike
Fz is lightweight but RTR is a way more powerful motorcycle for beginners!
My uncle has rtr 1604v . Though it is 147 kg but it fells more heavier than ns 200 which is 159 kg.
@@hbc81weight distribution
FZ is more comfortable
Bhai muje ek negative aur feel hua pillion seat me itna comfort nahi hai yaa shayad aisa muje hi lag rha ho
Front Design looks ugly
Sports type family bike 👌
Mei to bhut khush hu yh bike lke ❤❤❤
Sar Apache 160 4v mein Apache RTR 310 ki headlight Install kar sakte hain light work kar Jayegi sar Kuchh apni Rai do please sar mere pass Apache 160 4v hai main usmein Apache RTR 310 ki headlight install karana chahta hun batao Sar Kuchh please
Thin tyre, thin front suspension, needs dual channel abs 😊
N160 mere chote se gaon me 7 ho chuke hai..
Isiliye mujhe nahi lena .
Iske alawa rtr 160 ya 200 lena chahiye?
Mt 15
Apache RTR 160 2v pe detailed video ❤ please 😊
I personally ignore all negatives totally bcoz tvs never cheat consumer fr sure
Please make a review video on Apche rtr 310
Apache m ek chj h agr rider ptla h or pillon ekdm piche hoky bethe to bhut dikt ati h
Bhaai , 160 4v ka bana diye video, 200 4v pe bhi bana dena ekhad
Proud owner of 160
2v ka bhi video batao
Bhai aapne ye video karond aur IT park me record ke hai na?
Hi sr Moto world mere pass Vstrom250sx hai uska cold start karte time engine side se exhaust pipe red colour ka glow karta hai is it normal ?? Please reply kisi ko kuch smjh nai araha service centre wale bhi confused hai
Bike ingene is to good for power and also mileage 45kmpl I have 2 years use this bike Bild quality is best
Back indicators old dea hai.yeh change karna jahye tha
Yh bike ke liye sb lene ke naad bura he bolta har koi yar esiliye me fzs v4 lene wala hu kuki usme bhale he power thodi kam ho but relaiable ha or japenese ha toh no doubt best he hoga or looks bhi bhut ache ha fz ke but muje yh bhut psnd thi but more comfort and more relaible japense technology me fz he lunga ab
Bro I am from Bangladesh aur ek baat is bike fuel tank body panel normal plastic hil raha hai other bike se compare karo to isliye batasha hil raha hai is not good
Bro Karizma XMR ka review kab ayega?
Front pa 100/80section install Kar sakta hai Kaya???
Bhai honda Xtreme 160 acchi hai kya
Bhai ns 160 lu ye Apache 160 4v
Plz do a honest opinion on n160 e20 obd too
Konsi bike achi hai
Bro I am from Bangladesh not wellcom pahle blo Assalamualikum Kew Ke ap Muslim any way 160cc segment konse better nsbs6 or 4v special adision city and Hiwey comfortable longibety reliable plz discuss