"It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their own ignorance." -- Thomas Sowell
But isn't that the goal? If you are trying to start a business or write a book or invent something new or whatever and you don't succeed you can say "It's futile trying to find success in this industry". People would just think well yeah you didn't find success but thats on you. It's a problem with its own challenges that need solving. Like everything else.
@@michaelbarker6460 Sowell's statement seem right in most cases, but I think we must continue trying to make a better world, even with the ignorant (which may sometimes include ourselves), as you say. Because some people may currently be ignorant, they may change and they will have heard us trying before that change. It's hard, isn't it. :) Thanks, Michael, for your reaction and the first post by Chris.
11:20 I'm not sure if I, a white guy, sprayed Lysol in someone's face that I wouldn't be in trouble with campus police as well. You don't have to be black for that. This woman is doing a victim thing.
Exactly those 2 are just walking BLM billboards 😂 they'll play victim/racicim till the day they die. And this video is proof there is nothing that can save them
In response to the laundry story: The police came because someone reported stolen items. They can’t just ignore criminal claims. His response is 100% relevant. If he reacts aggressively, the police will respond with more force. If he reacts calmly and compliantly, the police will respond calmly as well.
Yeah, they were cemented into their pretty absurd reasoning, and the other kids weren't much better. It's pretty interesting how no one would step up and challenge this clear demonstration of black racism. When she said that they couldn't understand because they're white, and that there's nothing anyone could say to change her mind - coupled with that the white students support them in their glaring ignorance . . .
I find the other story even more obvious. Like she assaulted others by spraying them with something. She even acknowledged that she did something wrong. The question really is: would she , in their position/ with the roles reversed, would have wanted help to come and investigate if called upon?
Peter is so patient with these crazy people making claims without the need for evidence. It’s basic logic and they’re unable to access this type of thinking. If I was in his shoes, I’d be losing it. My hat is off to you Peter.
Universities are they tearing down of society.they give out more degrees than ever before hand out scholarships like they are candy tossing in a parade of unjustifiable rhetoric all to pump their ideology and make money for the institution.it has no basis in educating anyone.there is a common denominator and it’s money.they fleeced me for 7 years but I will give them this….I now have the tools to oppose them and ask the critical question.what is the one thing?that’s for you to figure out but their mob mentality won’t let them
I noticed this guy is using a mental health treatment technique called "motivational interviewing." Impressive skill set he has because it comes off so natural. Harder than it looks, and exposes faulty belief systems.
I think we need to actually have classes in our middle and high schools that teach OBJECTIVE reasoning. This is what is missing here. Most of these young minds are completely subjective to emotion and have NO objective reasoning skills. What's worse, is that at least 2-1/2 of those students aren't even willing to USE objective reasoning.
It would not work with the current woke education system. The classes would be use to indoctrinate students more. The only all these nonsense can stop is for schools to be schools only.
I was a liberal most of my adult life. My political opinions were primarily based on how I "felt" and reinforced by people inside my bubble. However, once I allowed myself to really LISTEN to opposing viewpoints backed up by FACTS (previously unknown to me), I was forced to re-evaluate my stance on many things. Sadly, the students who agreed with abolishing the CSU Police will likely spend the rest of their lives ignoring facts.
You just have more time, and a built in peer group in the way of family and long time friends, so you seek out knowledge you had no time for, or might have been shunned for discussing earlier in life, I think@@mikexxxmilly
This conversation should never have moved past one of the first points that was made 'if someone was violently attacking people on campus, would you want the police here to help?' There's no argument for abolishing police. That's an absolutely ludicrous thing to say. All people who are disagreeing will be calling the police as soon as they or anyone they know are being violently attacked.
No matter what the topic is, there will always be people with opposing opinions. The best part of this discussion was Peter teaching them to think critically, to have reasons for their beliefs, and to have reasons to change their mind. It's amazing that even college level students struggle with critical thinking. Either that shows how difficult it really is, or that it isn't taught at a young age(or a completely different reason). TLDR Even though not everyone successfully engaged in the thought experiment, "thought pebbles" are in all their shoes now. Hopefully they'll think, question, and get others to think too. Thanks Peter, and I hope to see more!
Teachers now incentivize students in grade / middle school to not critically think. It’s like they are being taught / instructed to follow/believe/repeat, and never to questionzz
31:00 As a survivor of both childhood and adult SA (and DV), just because things haven't gone to trial, doesn't necessarily mean that officers and prosecutors DIDN'T do their jobs and TRY. Many victims DON'T end up wanting to go to total and/or face their abusers.
“This one time I touched a guys clothes and they needed to know why I touched that guys clothes and this poorly told anecdote should serve as proof that this university is racist despite the fact that I’m enrolled here and I’m black.” What a great way to form an opinion.
She's is so entrenched in that idea so much so she won't even consider a hypothetical situation. Even the idea that she might be wrong makes her deeply uncomfortable and she won't confront that discomfort
Another note: if a white person said "I know that your wrong because of my experience" they would be told thats not valid because it's only your experience yet those same people would hinge their entire life view on their perspective even if the facts said another story. That's very telling. I also don't know who is right or wrong in this situation, I just think it's interesting that it's valid for them but not others.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle Dogmatism, axiomatic thinking, fundamentalism, false dichotomies. Unfortunately this is just too easy path to take and would be too harmful for egos of most humans to abandon it. Reason is rare and needs a strong character to not be subverted with power, comfort and easy moral gain.
Not only do they become rude and combative towards anyone that disagrees, they even get that way towards someone that remains neutral. It’s obvious frustration, based on the fact that they can’t defend their beliefs.
If people were kicking her door she should called the police. Spraying Lysol is dangerous. How does she know others wouldn’t be accused about the clothes. Critical thinking skills are gone and replaced with “you’re with me or against me”.
Right... but don't alot of white ppl believe in the replacement theory🙄🤔? So it's ok for white ppl to play victim saying they being replaced by poc black Jews etc right... So when y'all become a minority will your superiority complex be flipped upside down?.. tell me a time in American or the world history where white ppl didn't pillage kill rape enslave and replace. And then DIDNT play victim? Just one time... White tears will get a black man lynched but black women play "victim" if there in a situation of constant vandalism smh I can't wait to 2040 when white ppl become such a small existence in America so I can ask them to kindly stop playing victim and pick yourself up from your bootstraps🤷🏿♂️
I guess I'm getting old. Two wrongs don't make a right. He hit me, so I hit him back. Guess what? You both go to jail for assault. I am an honorably discharged, disabled American veteran. I served with, and had friends of many races and backgrounds. I clarify that because this will upset some people. Why is it always a person of color that brings up race in a conversation not about race? If you want racism to end, stop forcing it in to any and all topics possible. Touching someone else's personal property is wrong, no matter your color. Spraying a chemical into another humans face is assault. I don't care what color you are when you spray me in the face, I care about my health, chemical burns, and long term effects. The person kicking your door is not a puppet master. As a human, you are responsible for your own actions. What these talks show above all else is the difference in generations. The woke mob wants wants wants but doesn't listen. I don't have to change my beliefs for you. I don't owe you anything. I gave you freedom. Every service member before me, gave me freedom. That is the beauty of America. You are free. You can have your own beliefs, as long as you don't break the law sharing them. I am amazed at how defensive, and offensive, people get by someone simply trying to use their freedom of speech to start an honest conversation. He's not telling anyone what they should believe, he's ASKING what they believe. So I ask this, would she move one line if one good cop was there for her in a moment of need and conducted their duty completely free of any racial profiling? Would the officer instantly be racist if they found her to be wrong? Would a strongly disagree party move a line if an officer personally wronged them and left a distrust of law enforcement with them? Would they move multiple lines if they were wrongly prosecuted and served time? A country without law enforcement would be chaos, and many, many lives would be lost. Just look around the world for proof. How about proper training and discipline for biased police behavior instead? Any thought of law enforcement abolishing is, in my opinion, absolutely insane. How about we abolish the military also? Do you think all the other countries would leave us and our freedom alone? More realistically, how fast would they invade? A thought exercise is just that. It's an exercise. It is meant to open up your mind to other possibilities. Especially at a college. Your young minds (brains) aren't even finished developing, yet you think you have all the answers. I'm old. I have a vast amount of life experience. Guess what? I DONT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS! No one does. And if they did, sadly no one would listen anyhow.
I know she lied about them kicking her door down. They always lie if they feel they need more victimhood. I've seen it a few times with a couple family members and their friends. It's so sad. It's divided our family. My dad and brother are just being terrible over Facebook. Both highly intelligent men. A doctor and a lecturer. But strong personalities. My dad, the conservative, sounds tyrannical. And my brother, democrat, has become a righteous victim and impossible to talk to. Crazy.
The ones who are ideologically driven will never change their mind. Those who think critically are the ones willing to change their mind when shown evidence. That's how you identify the people who don't think rationally and who you shouldn't let be in a place of power.
"you have to be black to understand," is a sentence that is so important. I can only think of three justifications to this, but please criticise and expand: 1. Racism; "non-black people are incapable of understanding what disgusting behaviours are." Which I highly dispute. 2. Mind closure; maybe due to experience or brainwashing. I.e. The refusal to accept that other people might agree with you. Seems dumb. 3. Aggression; she wants to fight. Regardless of any reasoning. I certainly don't deny that she and others have received racial hatred which is unforgivable at any level. But she seems to be arguing for more division rather than collaboration.
When he pointed out the guy's extended argument, and said it was "more sophisticated"--- everybody on the abolish-side got triggered. *Also, the 2 abolish girls said "nothing" would sway them, ...."No Matter What---". Shows you how, in the end--- you really can't deal with people that have that mentality. At ALL. . . . Not good for society.
The lefties here were actually pretty cool people, they were pretty respectful. The black girl was asked a really hard question regarding data that would contradict not only her beliefs but kind of contradict her feelings from deeply personal experience, and she tried really hard to engage, even if she couldn't in the end.
The answer is YES, CSUPD, all campus security/pd's should be abolished and replaced with state/city police with all the same training/responsibilities and uniform as regular police officers. That department should also not be directly funded by the University, but through normal state/city funding means which the University will pay a cut for.
My daughter and I spent an entire year in Ft. Collins and will be returning for her to attend school in the Fall at CSU everyone was really friendly towards us. I hate that they are experiencing this.
its truly remarkable how cushioned lives these people live YET can look at themselves as if there are endless barriers and serious claims of this ghost system that holds them back. its a fckn JOKE and how these clowns get taken seriously is pathetic af.
We don't have campus police forces in the UK or In Ireland, or anywhere in europe I'm aware of. It says something terrible about a nations societal collapse that there is a need for them
"If I could show you undisputed facts to the contrary of you r position, would you change it?" "No I wouldn't" Ok, discussions over, people like that will never see things any other way. It's narcissistic, to be completely unable to see something from someone else point of view. Too many people have this mindset. This is what happens when we have a generation on parents that ate too afraid to offend their kids; too afraid to be parents. And single parent households are not helping either.
The laundry story is odd and I'd be interested in more details. It's totally possible he was wronged. But for her to say "yeah and here's my story of being wronged by the police" and then just admit to committing assault...wow
Pretty bizarre that in the "laundry incident" her stance is that it was unnecessary simply because they said it was and that how they behaved was irrelevant. I'm pretty sure every criminal would say police involvement was unnecessary if we let the supposed perpetrator determine if police involvement was necessary. So someone called the police, the police showed up to investigate, and it's the polices' fault they received the unnecessary call and investigated. And in her example; Rather than call the authorities she assaulted someone because they kept erasing her whiteboard. And these are the people who were smart enough to go to college? Wow, even more bizarre. "I show you data that to YOUR SATISFACTION discredits your belief. Would that change your position....no. What she is saying is regardless of the facts SHE BELIEVES she chooses to identify as oppressed.
You are that big boy who grabs his hand gun if someone makes a single step on his front yard. You totally took out the entire previous incidents of harassment, banging on the door, manipulating one's property, etc. and went for the reaction portion. She could have made that up, but since you believed the after effect, why not the preconditions to why it happened?
@@ValsVersion I don't care about she and her BLM fascinations. She, and many like her, solely blame the police for race. Even though cultural differences play into the police treatment, it's mostly due to the law. The law is rotten and must be gutted and done from ground up. You fix the law, you will force the police to actually do its job rather than blowing up every incident and serving little to the end goals in society. But I digress... hallucination that someone, somewhere stole the election, regardless of how puerile their evidence is in face of basic scrutiny in the court of law. When you ask them what's the evidence, all they show you is they saw someone with a paper. Ok? And? A mere presence of innocuous article of something is enough for them to drive to an absurd conclusion. Totally discarding many aspect of an event that clearly disprove their mindless accusations. They see a bottle of Lysol while ignoring everything else that conspired to that very point.
@@valeenoi2284 He can believe both happened and that both parties were wrong and childish and both deserved to be reprimanded by police. That the person banging on the door is not more or less wrong than spraying someone with Lysol. The fact that she was not arrested or fined means that the police simply yelled at them like the childish children they are.
@@TheAsianRepublican Cops don't reprimand; what a silly statement. They either detain your temp. or arrest you. If you are being harassed/threatened and your property is being damaged, you have the right to self defense. If someone is banging on your door while destroying or vandalizing your property, despite the chance of being attacked, you have that right to protect yourself. I'm not sure if you are a numskull kid or never had an encounter with the law enforcement. In such circumstances they don't simply yell at the parties. Cops have shot people for less threatening situations for their "safety", and the courts have given them a pass. So why shouldn't she be able to defend herself? For all we know, she was exaggerating the whole ordeal, or her life was really being threatened.
Unbelievable! She sprayed someone in the face (or towards their face) with Lysol and she doesn't understand why the campus police got involved? Really???? And even seeing data that goes against what she believes wouldn't prove to her that she was wrong? She is a lost cause.
No lol she knows exactly what happened. She was explaining and then cut herself off to go back to the prompt. She knew Peter was going to ask her questions she couldn’t answer.
She said.... You might see it as what I did was wrong..... Lmao 😂😂. But cuz she has dark skin color you just don't understand that when she gets mad she is aloud to spray shit in yo face.... Cuz her great grandmothers mom's, dad's sister knew a lady who was told by a friend that they knew a guy who was a slave.....
I love what Peter Boghossian is doing in these videos, simply getting students to examine their views and engage in dialogue. It's what professors used to do in the classrooms . American education is broken.
Well, trying to anyways. Over half of the students/individuals I've watched in ~5ish episodes have come in with their mind made up, ears closed, and mouths full. But I feel that for those who have been able to benefit it has definitely been worth the effort.
The woman who sprayed LYSOL at another student and then says she is being targeted b/c of her race? (And not her aggressive and dangerous behavior). What am i missing here?
Typical victim. People like her are why I don't buy most claims of white privilege. Some black people want to claim everything bad that happens to them is due to racism. It's so tiresome.
This young woman was trying to make a point not realizing that she was displaying to all the intolerance of her belief system. I cannot help but think of Kimi Katiti expressing how hurtful it was to her psyche to see the world through the lens of ever-present oppressive power dynamics. The irony here is a that the young woman in the video shared that she had just left a class where this world view was likely being reinforced. I cannot help but think that she is a victim of the circumstances (although in a very different way that she likely interprets). Truly a shame.
After I heard the LYSOL remark, I would have walked firmly into the "abolish" CSUPD section. Obviously, the police aren't doing their jobs. If they had, she would have been behind bars. So, why pay the CSUPD when they are not doing their jobs?
As a black man who went to Florida State University I love the campus pd. They actually stopped a school shooting in under 10 minutes while I was there. Took a situation that could have been an extreme tragedy and minimize it into a minor one.
I don't understand the claim that the entire "system" is racist against black people. I can understand that some people will have bias but what are the "systemic" issues. The one claiming in the video claim to have seen evidence but cannot produce anything but their own experience. Do you think there is really such a thing in modern society as "systemic racism"?
@@thunkjunk yeah I do think there is systemic racism. One look into the legal system and you will see it immediately. If you're black you will have longer sentences on average, higher likelihood of being arrested, and much lower chance of being selected as a juror. It's not that there is no systematic racism, my point is that these are stupid solutions.
@@abzeromusic That isn't the system, that would be individual people that you're talking about. What law says to increase sentences for blacks for instance.
@@thunkjunk you never write the racism into the law. For example veryone agrees that literacy tests in the American South were racist. At face value nothing about a literacy test is inherently racist, but in practice it was used as a way to suppress black voters. On paper America is supposed to have equal protection under the law but that has never been the case when you look at it in real life
Peter made a very good point in showing that the black girl wouldn't change her view when given contrary evidence. He showed that to them it's not about any factual evidence, it's about group loyalty and empowerment. Its about winning, not learning.
Yep and since she has been told that ‘systemic racism’ exists then any time a white cop stops her or when a white student bothers her it must be due to racism .. this is literally a self-reinforcing problem
Fascinating. This girl is unable or unwilling to think hypothetically, cannot name facts that shaped her opinion and is unwilling to be influenced by facts that would change her opinion. She needs to be the next host of The View.
@@echodeltatango8030 Yes, and very similar to a religious extremist, her identity and sense of belonging are entangled with her opinions. To deny her opinions is to end her social life. She won't do it, even in the hypothetical.
When she did show facts, they were not relevant unless you also show that crime is equally distributed across the board. I think there are stats to show otherwise although there may still be an overrepresentation of black men in prison, perhaps due to worse legal representation.
I don't have a problem with that. There are certain things you know or that you have an experience with that...some random, hypothetical stats out there won't change. My problem is her "issue" was that the Police were more concerned with her spraying chemicals in someone's face and they took that more seriously than someone erasing her whiteboard... And of-fucking-course they should be more concerned with actual physical harm or violence vs what is at worst I guess harassment.
I am black by the way. I just don’t understand when I see my brothers and sisters make arguments solely on the basis of the color of their skin. As if that precludes you from the norm in society. I believe that your behavior and how you reacts when an officer approaches you for any reason and explains their reason matters. You’ve got to remember that these officers who responds to calls were called by someone who’s made some type of complaint (wether you agree to the complaint or not is pointless) and they are required to make contact when necessary. If they approach you and explain why and your response is to be belligerent then you deserve no right to demand respect from them when they apply the law to the letter. I’m not advocating that they be unprofessional with you but they can be literal in applying the law without using their discretion. The black girl admitted to using a physical response (spraying Lysol on someone) to someone who didn’t use physical means on her and her anger is the police should not have been involved. This culture of thinking needs to change.
i would have liked if it she admitted "yeah i assaulted them after being provoked repeatedly and I think its bullshit i had no other recourse to stop that harassment besides doing so, especially as a girl, over personal property and free speech issues. does that really require police interaction?' and left it at that. i can understand that. i dont feel like her response was unreasonable, although i will accept it was illegal. youve got to be real about this shit if you want to make progress. this is an argument about beliefs in my opinion. even tho they were beliefs about race, i would have preferred if race stayed out of it. as long as the uni police would come and hassle lysol sprayers of any ethinic identity, im fine with it. i wonder how you could verify her claim that they do not.
@@ponetastic how is it hassling when it’s a police responsibility to respond and investigate an assault, no matter how small one may think it is. How could you verify her claim that they only target one ethnicity ? The point I’m making is not everything is about race and we cannot cite race when we are in the wrong and expect it to be okay.
Lysol lady will continue to experience a lifetime of "injustice" from Police Officers unless she changes her conduct. She feels discriminated against because although she physically assaulted someone she feels that she should be exempt from consequences.
What about the conduct of the people erasing her broad, instilling fear in her by kicking her door? The Lysol move is not the answer and I think she mentioned that. However you have to understand this is a retaliation of numerous harassments.
@@mazloum28 In her own words she said those things annoyed her. I did not hear her say she was fearful as you imply. Life is filled with annoying things. If someone right now started banging on my door that would annoy me. If my response was to open the door and spray chemicals (Lysol) into someone's face that would be an escalatory response. I have just physically assaulted someone and possibly caused them permanent blindness. I would expect to be held accountable for MY choice in how I chose to respond to something that annoyed me. What I heard her say was "even if I was right or WRONG" she still felt like the police harassed her due to her race. So she fails to acknowledge her role in the series of events. Her mindset has her thinking she holds no responsibility in the police being involved. Three step event: #1) She acknowledged the annoying actions caused by someone else, #2) she excuses/justifies her Lysol spraying conduct #3) she acknowledged the police involvement. She feels that even if she was in the wrong (her words) she feels that because she felt annoyed she should get a pass. She feels justified. That's not how civilized societies works. We can't control what people do but we can and must control how we respond. Now to go back to the pre Lysol spraying. If people were vandalizing her board or kicking at her door, she should have reported THEM or if she felt safe enough she could have told them to knock it off. If it continued then she could have gotten the police involved. The moment she opened the door to spray chemicals in someone's face she escalated the annoyance to an assault. We all have to exercise some sort of self regulation/ self discipline, otherwise we'd be swinging at everyone who annoys us.
@@HeavenCanW8T a majority we’re bullying a minority and the minority retaliated. Violence is not the answer. I agree with you that the proper route should have been to contact the proper authorities but she likely didn’t because in her experience the likely outcome nothing would have came of it. That’s why she’s standing on that side of the spectrum. This is likely one is thousands of harassing instances this woman has been through.
I'm curious. As an Australian who's worked in educational settings, we usually had some agreements, otherwise known as rules, so that it lessened the chances of people coming into conflict with each other. So, I can imagine a rule such as "no political statements on your external board, but political posters are ok inside your room." An external board is easily altered by someone else. So I can see, a notice, such as "Kill all ... " would mean the room's occupants would be made targets by a third party. So, blanket rule: no political statements in public spaces, only in those designated. Maybe she conveniently left that out.
@@mazloum28 you claim that violence isn't the answer, yet up and down this comment section you are using her race as justification for violence. I vet that if she opened the door and hit someone with a baseball bat, you'd still be trying to justify here violence, using her race and the "thousands" of time she was "harassed".
I appreciated the guy's line at the end "hearing other peoples' opinions made it easier to express my own". This is the exact reason that silencing people for being "harmful" is the real harm being done right now.
she's clearly playing for the public and for the "party" so to speak, she comes from the agenda and from that conviction that you can't budge one centimeter of ground to the opposite camp, so she says "no" and then tries to justify and rationalize it somehow. Which is um.. re... doesn't look good on her let's just say.
The cops came because your fellow students called them on you! It's not the cop's fault. If they get a report, they must investigate, no matter how trivial it sounds at first. It's not difficult to understand.
Its typical blackinism and wokism. Abolish the police but when they are in trouble and need the police then they would cry wolf if the police did not come fast enough
It is, if you’re an idiot. Can’t you see the difference in intelligence between the two sides? One side is logic and reasonable, the other one just talks about feelings and use straw man arguments like: you’re white you can’t understand.
The second someone says that their opinion can not be swayed under any circumstances, my trust for that person's ability to come to reasonable conclusions plummets. Certainty is the enemy of truth.
Well, it depends on the topic. For one such as this and how they actually interpreted the question, sure. But for a lot of things in life there is an objective truth and if you stand on that line there's no reason to welcome a different opinion because an opinion different from the truth is then called delusion.
That’s INSANE she’s literally admitting (the hypothetical part where she said that she wouldn’t move) that she’s so biased that no matter what the facts are she still wouldn’t care and will never change her opinion. I’m blown away that she’s literally admitting that she does not care at all. Wtf.
she's not very capable first of all, unable to imagine a hypothetical scenario and hold it and its potential consequences in her head for a minute. She was clearly struggling with that, regardless of the racial issue.
"would you change your mind if I had data to show the campus police weren't racist?" "no because they're racist." I hope we can forgive this brilliant woman's student loans.
@KomodoDragon possibly but she sees everything through a racial lens. If a white cop stops her then it must be due to racism. That’s it, no other possible reason in her mind
@KomodoDragon Lived experience means nothing... absolutely nothing. It rarely contradicts statistical evidence. Not even worth considering. Bunch of post modern bullshit.
@KomodoDragon Lived experience is nonsense. If a white guy slaps me because I was a dick, but I incorrectly concluded that he did so because I was black. My lived experience would have reached a false conclusion. The whole gimmick of lived experience is to try to side step the highly likely possibility of an incorrect interpretation. Notice how the girl at one point said it doesn't matter how the person reacts... Meaning, if 'i feel' I did nothing wrong, I should be allowed to act belligerently. Yet If others react negatively to my belligerence, I can then conclude their negative reaction is a consequence of their ingrained racism. And even if the person reacting toe is black, I can still conclude that they've internalized the wider populations racism. So no matter what happens, my lived experience will always be that all interactions are racist.
It is frightening to hear someone say that no evidence could ever make them reconsider their position. They cling unconditionally to their BLM dogma and it would seem that rational dialogue is impossible. How then can the disagreement ever be resolved without violence?
Yeah the media brainwashed her and a lot of people in the black community. I’m black and see it in members of old friends, family, etc and it’s bad. No one thinks logically, just pure emotion.
He was talking about a hypothetical data while she said she had valid data coupled with her own experience. It's always good to understand people experience differently based on their characteristics. For eg, your experience as a woman is different from mine as a man and we should all empathize with each other.
“What would I have to show you that would make you move?” “Nothing..” It’s amazing how hard some people will fight to remain a victim. As long as you’re a victim, you can deflect accountability for your own situation and actions.. if things don’t go your way, it’s the “systems” fault It’s gross and hard to watch honestly
The sad part is, there aren't even kids; they are 18-23 years old- 2 years away from being able to run as a Representative. Seriously. This is NOT age; this is absolutely the crazies raising kids and also trying to indoctrinate OTHER peoples' kids.
The donkey told the tiger, “The grass is blue.” The tiger replied, “No, the grass is green.” The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion. As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn’t it true that the grass is blue?” The lion replied: “If you believe it is true, the grass is blue.” The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him.” The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence.” The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue…” The tiger asked the lion, “Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?” The lion replied, ′′You’ve known and seen the grass is green.” The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?” The lion replied, “That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!”
The black woman made very clear that antiracism is a faith to her. It's a religion and in some aspects it is even more closeminded than the traditional religions, which is just insane.
have you heard of John Mcwhorter? I believe he is a linguistic professor at Columbia University and wrote a very interesting book called "Woke Racism, how a new religion has failed black America" and in this book he talks about how this has now become a religion because no matter how much evidence u can present to a person they have a belief that racism is in EVERTHING in this country and you just cant reason with them anymore. This girl was a prime example. Despite the level of deep conversation and you could see her REALLY thinking about things for a moment....she ultimately refused to have her mind changed even just a little. She believes in racism and that she must fight against it and thats about it. No amount of data or evidence will persuade her to think otherwise
I went to CSU twice and barely even knew the CSU PD was there. Never heard of any abuses. Seemed mostly about traffic issues. Someone needs to do that.
"No, I still wouldn't change my mind because I'm a total ideologue and I have spent way too much time learning buzzwords like 'systemic' and I have attended too many BLM riot... I mean protests, so I simply can't afford to be wrong. My ego and my identity simply wouldn't survive something like that. So I don't care about the truth, as long as I have it my way". That's what she should have said, since that's really the truth.
8:50 "It doesn't matter how he reacted." That's the root of the issue right there. It does matter how you react. In the serious situations, resisting arrest escalates into an unnecessary confrontation. The majority of videos I see online are due to poor reactions to the police.
If i find someones wallet on the street and then return it to a police department but in doing so i act abrasive and dodgy, am i supposed to be surprised that the police would be suspicious of me? Of course how you react matters in how people will observe you. Its an idiotic statement.
She sprayed Lysol in another students face. Fact is you could potentially BLIND the person you assaulted with Lysol. then she laughs. This is a really sick criminal way of thinking
@@johnconnors6412 She;s a lousy human being and a huge reason of why this country has the unique problems that it has right now. She and her ilk live in their little bubbles and just reaffirm the same miserable BS every day.
I mean yea she wasn’t the hero in that story.. but I’ve had Lysol and Axe sprayed directly in my eyes, it’s not that bad lol the people (not you) calling for her to be locked up are wild
It's weird how the black girl couldn't stop judging the 2 people on the strongly disagree line by their race while complaining about racism and judging people by the color of their skin. How can she not see that? She is exhibiting the very behavior she claims to be against.
I love that she is actively searching statistics to appear more educated when approached with questions. She’s actively Google searching things that will help support her stubborn position even more so.
And her statistics didn't even prove anything. Assuming they're accurate, a higher percentage of black people ending up in prison is not proof of racism in policing. For example, I live in Maryland. By far the most crime ridden jurisdiction in this state is Baltimore City, which I believe has the second highest homicide rate in the country right now. Prince George's County, which borders on Washington D.C., is really bad too. These happen to be black majority areas. So the prison demographics in my state are simply representative of where the serious crimes are occurring.
@@GhostsDontWalk1 Sentences, in terms of severity go: black men, white men, black women, white women. Also, if you correct for courtroom behaviour sentencing disparity virtually disappears. Don't get me wrong, I am the last person to say "racism doesn't exist" but it's a bit complicated, and the proposed solutions are always stupid.
Agreed. It's so bizarre. I graduated h.s. in the late 80s ( yes I get it, I'm old). The messaging back then and in the90s was to be color blind. Now color is the first thing woke ppl want you to consider.
“Queen” Lysol dropped the narrative of her story like a cinder once he clarified that she had responded to words physically, jumping straight back into the comforting arms of the CRT script’s embrace.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 Nobody has ever heard the term “sticks and stones”? Words only have weight depending on how you take them. People make conciliatory decisions to allow words to bother them.
Yes it’s racism and deep rooted insecurities disguised as victimhood. And ”PWI” = predominantly white institutions (first time i’ve heard that one) Wouldn’t that pretty much be everywhere if you’re 13% of the population?
I love how the black girl struggled when put into a corner on if she would change her stance if provided statistics that shows her position is false, and she wouldn't, which means there is nothing anyone could possibly do to change her mind that she is experiencing systemic racism: she has a death grip on the notion she is a victim, because for her it's a safety-blanket that allows her to avoid responsibility for shitty behavior.
The black women is the most dangerous kind of zealot. She would refuse objective provable data and rethink her ideas. She’s insane. It’s terrifying these people are allowed into college.
Her inability to see that it might be her actions e.g. spraying lysol at people, or, responding beligerently in interactions with others, rather than the shade her skin is, has me shaking my head in disbelief. Nothing will change without some admission that it may not be (just sometimes) the skin type but rather the behaviour in the interaction. Lysol has potential to do permanent damage to eyes. PERMANENT, and she thinks that's ok?
People like her seem to revel in the attention that being a minority and being ‘oppressed’ gives. If everything became wildly objectively ‘equal’, her identity and purpose for being would crumble. She has little idea if anything she experiences happens to other people or not. She simply thinks every negative interaction is because of racism. Other people who experience the same negative interactions will put it down to other reasons. If I get pulled over, it’s probably because I did something wrong, if she gets pulled over it’s immediately ‘because she is black’. I mean really?
It's because it's easy to be the victim. It easy to blame others or something mysterious for the transgression being committed. She will always be a perpetual victim her entire life.
Every jerk she comes across in life will be chalked up to racism. Every rude or inconsiderate gesture or comment will be due to racism. If the store is out of her favorite bread it’s the result of racism.
The common theme even among students opposed to abolishing the police was acceptance of the systemic racism claim. It is frightening how thoroughly that false ideology is simply accepted without any thoughtful consideration.
I never understood how they can call a whole system racist and not see that a "system" is just a group of people in the same line of work. Which laws or guidelines can they point to that are racist? It's obvious that there are racist cops, as there is racist cashier's and bus drivers too. there is going to be hateful people in every line of work because there are just so many unhappy and hateful people in the world. We need to have ways to root out evil people, not blame "systems" which is just an excuse to hate and be angry at something that doesn't serve your personal interests. The inability to break things down and want to find the sources of the issue is strange. It's more about feeling oppressed and causing division than finding solutions. I wonder if they won't call 911 if God forbid they are ever in danger.
I know. A few years ago we never heard about ‘systemic racism’ but now it’s supposedly everywhere and the cause of all the worlds harms. Universities push this ideology full bore
@gatherington You are framing the issue black men being "being targeted" by police. I think you miss the point. When you factor in the % of murders committed by race, the answer becomes clear. With that said, I believe we should have an ethical and effective police force that treats people based on their behavior and actions and not based on their race. Blaming a specific problem on a vague and false concept like "systemic racism" is not helpful. It would be better to do a root cause analysis and collect information and evidence to identify the various contributing factors.
Peter I have a deep respect for you level of patience. I myself would find it frustrating if someone said they could not be swayed based on any evidence whatsoever.
Very closed minded people. How did they get into an institute of higher learning? Being closed to changing your mind or new ideas spits on the very concept of education. Sad.
Over the past decade and ecspecially over the past six years I’ve noticed this at a rampant rate. The vast majority of the time 99% were always four year college grads.. I didn’t believe in mass psychosis / brainwashing for the longest time but now I do .
That's why the left is so successful. You hook someone first with an emotional argument, especially when they convince you it's morally superior, and it becomes difficult to change based on reason.
We get targeted… By breaking the law in the case of assault by house hold cleaner (It’s unimaginable that some student erasing a BLM sign is not immediately expelled) OR by “touching somebody’s clothes” which I highly doubt was the case. More like belligerent and resisting arrest. Her inability to acknowledge the hypothetical is textbook mid-wit behavior.
I don't know Peter & this is only the 2nd of his videos I've seen but seems like, as soon as he walks into town, he immediately becomes the best teacher on whatever campus he's on.
If you don't know about his work with 'feminist scholars' you should check into it. He pretended with some colleagues to be feminists and got published with insane ideas.
Not too far from the truth, I hate to say. I went to CSU (Class of '93), and what I hear out of some students there now makes me think the school has deteriorated.
I have recently returned to university, in my early 40s@@mmille10 . I did not quite meet the entry requirements, and I stated this at the faculty interview. My head of faculty looked around and said "I would deny I said this, but your exam results are REAL exam results, from the 90s. You far exceed the requirements of 2021."
Something missing in that laundry 🧺 story. Arrested and sent to court for moving someone’s laundry from one machine to another??? I don’t buy it from even the most racist institution.
The guy probably wen't back and saw his laundy wasnt where he left it and didn't wanna ask a black guy hey bro you got my stuff because let's be honest, This guy clearly would call someone racist in that case. The guy went to the campus police to deal with the issue. Even if the police did overact here, Oh no you had to talk to the police, what bastards lol.
@@Phisherman86 Trayvon, George Floyd, Mike Brown, Kyle's 3 victims - all murdered for being bI a k. You don't need to know the details of the case. I'd bet my bottom dollar the washing machine story has a few more details we don't need to know as well.
I call bullshit on both of them... and the only reason why that BLACK GIRL hasn't been kicked out is because she is BLACK. A white or asian person spraying someone with lysol wouild have spent a night in jail and very likely kicked out.
None of these students strike me as terribly bright or original thinkers, but those on the "abolish" side have a particularly toxic combination of dimness coupled with a victim obsessed worldview and deep persecution complex, apparently to the point that they believe escalating a petty whiteboard erasure to physical violence is not only a perfectly permissable action, but one that when the police are called makes THEM the *real* victim in the situation. Unsurprisingly she is utterly incapable of even understanding, let alone entertaining a hypothetical thought experiment. This is what roughly half a century of dogmatic leftist identity politics and grievance studies in liberal arts departments across the nation very predicably gets you. ...."and what not" 🙄
That’s why the left want to preach their toxic crap to people at a young age because they know by the time there 20 years old most will have internalized their position and are incapable of any type of paradigm shift. Not that I was well versed or eloquently when I was 20 and in college but I find these people stunningly stupid and they go off on tangents that make no cense.
Lysol gal has shaky reasoning, or lack thereof, but I will probably side with her complaint if in fact students were erasing her board. ( Which leads me to wonder if she also was guilty of provoking other students in her own right. Maybe she intimidated others. Possible as well. ) Going point-by-point, no one should be erasing boards ( unless some Student Policy code was broken ). Expressing oneself on one's dorm door is personal. My further question to her would be if she has ever erased or taken down or damaged anyone else's door for their political views. ( There weren't anywhere near enough facts and context to get at what her complaint was and to determine her innocence or not. )
What a horrible way to look at life, I'm always going to be held back b/c of something I can't change, and then saying there is nothing you can show me that will get me to change my mind. I kind of feel sorry for the young woman, she will probably have this mindset the rest of her life.
Some of these kids obviously have been taught that they are victims. The idea of a world view is something these kids dont have. They have assumptions yet nothing to compare them too. Everyone on here is entitled and they dont know it.
Wow, I am white and I bet that if I was rude and insulted the police while an encounter with them, the police would react with a very negative action. In my 70 years of life, my encounters with the police carrying out their law enforment duties have proven to me that police are like everyone else. You treat the police with disrespect and distain you get treated in like kind. I have noticed if you treat the police like your elders they treat you with understanding and respect. All I can say, treat the police with respect and be polite, don't argue with the police. They are just trying to keep us all safe. I am in awe that the police do such a great job in keeping us all safe.
I propose a real world experiment. Go out and conduct a 1st amendment audit and see how public officials, including police officers, treat you. Remember, we all have Freedom of Press as an inalienable right as United States citizens. I'd be interested in your thoughts concerning this matter.
Confrontation of police while they are trying to do there job is not the time or place to be a jerk. If you have issues with anything the police are doing, file a complaint. Talking crap or getting in the face or getting an attitude while the police are trying to bring order to a situation is inappropriate. The cops have a job, there is no justification to be rude or be a jerk. Let them do their job, accept the ticket or whatever and then fight the issue in court or file a complaint. They have cameras to either justify their actions or to justify your complaints.
Please don't stop giving us a window into our youth and campus opinions. Wholly illuminating and so frustrating but seeing there are issues is the first step to discussing the same in our own lives and maybe help move people from their "line".
I went to this university and recently an acquantance disagreed with me about something on Facebook. He was shocked that we went to the same uni, same professors, and same major and could disagree. Clearly he thinks the role of college is to be taught what to think, which I find frightening.
@@johnconnors6412 It's been awhile but I'm guessing that laundry theft still happens in dorms and such right? Campus cops everywhere probably have 2 of these a day to respond to. The rad-girl was acting like it was cops being racist again.
"this hypothetical isn't hypothetical" can you define "I don't get it?" It's crazy how conspiratorial the idealogy is, racism must be at the root of all police forces, racism must be the explanation behind all negative behaviour of those institutions, there's no partial aspect to it, racism must infect everything at all levels. Fascinating. Glad you are doing this professor, getting people exploring each others' ideas, I do hope this game of endless polarisation runs it's course
The fact that she couldn't accept a hypothetical question is the one thing that really stood out to me. I've read this, probably was a meme post, that people of sufficiently low IQ can't understand such a concept. Or have real trouble with metaphors and not 1:1 comparison. Like: 1 What if you didn't eat anything today, how would you feel? 2 What do you mean? I had breakfast and lunch. 1 But imagine that you didn't. How would you feel? 2...but I ate today. You often hit this wall with randos on social media. I wonder if she's just not smart enough to understand the concept of hypothetical question or if she's so deep into the religion. Or both.
I grew up in Aberdeen in Scotland, a place where almost everyone was/is white. The types of discrimination that they list as happening only because they are black, absolutely happened to people around me and even me. That's because people do stupid shit on purpose or by accident and then other people overreact; like calling the cops because someone put your laundry in their machine by accident. It reminds me of feminists who claim that men talk over them in meanings. Maybe, but men also talk over men, and sometimes women talk over men too. I have often found that people particularly talk over me even though I think my insights are usually better and more succinct. Should I start a support group or movement for men who have experienced the same issue as me?
This is great. This is a clear way to demonstrate how ideological and entrenched these people are, even to a person who has no idea about about the current climate. Well done, Peter!
@@cypheir The idea that the average person is more likely to risk a confrontation with a black person by moving their clothes, over a white person, is hilariously absurd. I would bet my life savings that her claim is false.
@@toobnoobify It is people like her's fault that noone wants to get into potential confrontations with black people so they call the cops. Immediately calling racist when a poor interaction happens is why the cops get called because the student doesn't want to be called racist and all the cancel culture shit thrown at them.
@@cypheir If it was a baseless theft accusation, then why did it culminate in him having to go to a hearing? That's my question. And it sounded almost like a campus hearing, which would presumably be extrajudicial, meaning campus police elected to handle it as an administrative matter rather than a criminal matter. Which seems like it could be rather charitable, not oppressive. Also, it's the job of police to investigate complaints under the initial assumption that they're true. If a student accused him of theft, they have to take that claim seriously and investigate its veracity. They can't simply dismiss it. It's possible that, if there was any element of racism to his experience, it stemmed only from the student who baselessly accused him, rather than the manner in which police handled it. But the police are an easy scapegoat. It's also possible that the police had no reason to suspect him of theft, but harassed him anyway because they hate black people. But I very much doubt that. I think the crucial facts were omitted.
Interesting video. I still shake my head that these students are being told that racism is everywhere. Granted racism does exist but when students are taught to see everything through a racial lens, it literally creates it’s own set of problems. I can’t understand why it how professors and students don’t see this..
I wish Peter Boghossian would have asked a hypothetical question about how the students would respond in the event that a criminal where breaking into their apartment while they are home or something along with those lines. In the case of an extreme emergency where they are in the process of being the victim of a serious crime, who would they call for help? A mental health group to arrive and provide the burglar psychological counseling?
Not being able to hypothesize goes to show that trying to make things better, correct where something has gone wrong, will never satisfy those who victimize themselves
if anything, the girl who sprayed lysol in someone's face is lucky she didn't get arrested. that is a serious offense. it's sad that she sees herself as a victim and not lucky.
I genuinely believe if it had been any person of a different race, they would have been arrested. After the summer of love, an insane number of cops resigned all over america. They know if they have to deal with a criminal, and he/she happens to be black, they are screwed.
@@luizmatte4345 i agree. when it comes to police encounters, black people actually have privilege because cops are afraid to mess with them in fear of losing their jobs.
@@shuarma0 It sounds odd, because this talk of systemic racism/racist cops has been hammered down people's throats, but the data says otherwise. When I was confronted with it (data), I had to change my opinions on the issue, doesn't seem like these students would be willing to do so...
"It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their own ignorance." -- Thomas Sowell
Truer words have never been spoken.
But isn't that the goal? If you are trying to start a business or write a book or invent something new or whatever and you don't succeed you can say "It's futile trying to find success in this industry". People would just think well yeah you didn't find success but thats on you. It's a problem with its own challenges that need solving. Like everything else.
What a great man!
@@michaelbarker6460 Sowell's statement seem right in most cases, but I think we must continue trying to make a better world, even with the ignorant (which may sometimes include ourselves), as you say. Because some people may currently be ignorant, they may change and they will have heard us trying before that change. It's hard, isn't it. :) Thanks, Michael, for your reaction and the first post by Chris.
lmao I keep seeing Sowell quotes on these. that's awesome
11:20 I'm not sure if I, a white guy, sprayed Lysol in someone's face that I wouldn't be in trouble with campus police as well. You don't have to be black for that. This woman is doing a victim thing.
You would be in jail and likely kicked out of the school
Exactly those 2 are just walking BLM billboards 😂 they'll play victim/racicim till the day they die. And this video is proof there is nothing that can save them
You would be
The poor black lady to stupid to realize she not opposed 🤣🤣🤔🤔 how liberals baby to black people 🙄 grow up
In response to the laundry story: The police came because someone reported stolen items. They can’t just ignore criminal claims. His response is 100% relevant. If he reacts aggressively, the police will respond with more force. If he reacts calmly and compliantly, the police will respond calmly as well.
Shhhhh.... Let him have his victim story. He has to have one to fit into the black victim club
Exactly, it's funny how their reaction doesn't even make it into the equation. It's easier to be and more profitable to be a victim.
Yeah, they were cemented into their pretty absurd reasoning, and the other kids weren't much better. It's pretty interesting how no one would step up and challenge this clear demonstration of black racism. When she said that they couldn't understand because they're white, and that there's nothing anyone could say to change her mind - coupled with that the white students support them in their glaring ignorance . . .
I am a black man and I love the police. Everytime I came in contact with them was because of something I did
I find the other story even more obvious.
Like she assaulted others by spraying them with something.
She even acknowledged that she did something wrong.
The question really is: would she , in their position/ with the roles reversed, would have wanted help to come and investigate if called upon?
Peter is so patient with these crazy people making claims without the need for evidence. It’s basic logic and they’re unable to access this type of thinking. If I was in his shoes, I’d be losing it. My hat is off to you Peter.
Universities are they tearing down of society.they give out more degrees than ever before hand out scholarships like they are candy tossing in a parade of unjustifiable rhetoric all to pump their ideology and make money for the institution.it has no basis in educating anyone.there is a common denominator and it’s money.they fleeced me for 7 years but I will give them this….I now have the tools to oppose them and ask the critical question.what is the one thing?that’s for you to figure out but their mob mentality won’t let them
I noticed this guy is using a mental health treatment technique called "motivational interviewing." Impressive skill set he has because it comes off so natural. Harder than it looks, and exposes faulty belief systems.
Peter is big on Socratic method of questioning. It drove someone to killing him...
I think we need to actually have classes in our middle and high schools that teach OBJECTIVE reasoning. This is what is missing here. Most of these young minds are completely subjective to emotion and have NO objective reasoning skills. What's worse, is that at least 2-1/2 of those students aren't even willing to USE objective reasoning.
most adults for that matter.
@@oscarsanchezmendoza2274 Agreed.
It would not work with the current woke education system. The classes would be use to indoctrinate students more. The only all these nonsense can stop is for schools to be schools only.
This is the problem with building your identity around a cause.
If your position isn't falsifiable given the right information, then it's not a position so much as it is a religious conviction.
My wallet is stolen/lost, “Ah sorry mate, we handle more important things”
ABOLISH THE CSUPD! Laughable
I was a liberal most of my adult life. My political opinions were primarily based on how I "felt" and reinforced by people inside my bubble. However, once I allowed myself to really LISTEN to opposing viewpoints backed up by FACTS (previously unknown to me), I was forced to re-evaluate my stance on many things. Sadly, the students who agreed with abolishing the CSU Police will likely spend the rest of their lives ignoring facts.
Theres something about getting older and gaining life experience that naturally turns people into at least a pseudo conservative.
You just have more time, and a built in peer group in the way of family and long time friends, so you seek out knowledge you had no time for, or might have been shunned for discussing earlier in life, I think@@mikexxxmilly
This conversation should never have moved past one of the first points that was made 'if someone was violently attacking people on campus, would you want the police here to help?'
There's no argument for abolishing police. That's an absolutely ludicrous thing to say.
All people who are disagreeing will be calling the police as soon as they or anyone they know are being violently attacked.
No matter what the topic is, there will always be people with opposing opinions. The best part of this discussion was Peter teaching them to think critically, to have reasons for their beliefs, and to have reasons to change their mind.
It's amazing that even college level students struggle with critical thinking. Either that shows how difficult it really is, or that it isn't taught at a young age(or a completely different reason).
TLDR Even though not everyone successfully engaged in the thought experiment, "thought pebbles" are in all their shoes now. Hopefully they'll think, question, and get others to think too.
Thanks Peter, and I hope to see more!
Especially college students.
Teachers now incentivize students in grade / middle school to not critically think. It’s like they are being taught / instructed to follow/believe/repeat, and never to questionzz
Ironically, Peter was my Critical Thinking Instructor during my undergrad, they’re not all nuts!
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As a survivor of both childhood and adult SA (and DV), just because things haven't gone to trial, doesn't necessarily mean that officers and prosecutors DIDN'T do their jobs and TRY. Many victims DON'T end up wanting to go to total and/or face their abusers.
Best video I’ve ever seen from you. It really shows who the ideologues are and who the thinkers are.
I agree with their "whatnots" and initials for mostly white school. Unbelievable!!!!!
“This one time I touched a guys clothes and they needed to know why I touched that guys clothes and this poorly told anecdote should serve as proof that this university is racist despite the fact that I’m enrolled here and I’m black.”
What a great way to form an opinion.
Black liberals are the worst.
That one girl wants to abolish the police because the police responded appropriately when she assaulted someone.
She's is so entrenched in that idea so much so she won't even consider a hypothetical situation. Even the idea that she might be wrong makes her deeply uncomfortable and she won't confront that discomfort
It appears that those on the “agree” side value “their truth” over proven truths.
Another note: if a white person said "I know that your wrong because of my experience" they would be told thats not valid because it's only your experience yet those same people would hinge their entire life view on their perspective even if the facts said another story. That's very telling. I also don't know who is right or wrong in this situation, I just think it's interesting that it's valid for them but not others.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
Dogmatism, axiomatic thinking, fundamentalism, false dichotomies. Unfortunately this is just too easy path to take and would be too harmful for egos of most humans to abandon it.
Reason is rare and needs a strong character to not be subverted with power, comfort and easy moral gain.
Not only do they become rude and combative towards anyone that disagrees, they even get that way towards someone that remains neutral. It’s obvious frustration, based on the fact that they can’t defend their beliefs.
If people were kicking her door she should called the police. Spraying Lysol is dangerous. How does she know others wouldn’t be accused about the clothes. Critical thinking skills are gone and replaced with “you’re with me or against me”.
The answer for the young black woman is “No I won’t move because I prefer to remain a victim and have an excuse to further my agenda”.
Right... but don't alot of white ppl believe in the replacement theory🙄🤔? So it's ok for white ppl to play victim saying they being replaced by poc black Jews etc right... So when y'all become a minority will your superiority complex be flipped upside down?.. tell me a time in American or the world history where white ppl didn't pillage kill rape enslave and replace. And then DIDNT play victim? Just one time... White tears will get a black man lynched but black women play "victim" if there in a situation of constant vandalism smh I can't wait to 2040 when white ppl become such a small existence in America so I can ask them to kindly stop playing victim and pick yourself up from your bootstraps🤷🏿♂️
The young woman making excuses for spraying poison in someone's face over words on a chalkboard
Is flabbergasting.
I guess I'm getting old. Two wrongs don't make a right. He hit me, so I hit him back. Guess what? You both go to jail for assault. I am an honorably discharged, disabled American veteran. I served with, and had friends of many races and backgrounds. I clarify that because this will upset some people. Why is it always a person of color that brings up race in a conversation not about race? If you want racism to end, stop forcing it in to any and all topics possible. Touching someone else's personal property is wrong, no matter your color. Spraying a chemical into another humans face is assault. I don't care what color you are when you spray me in the face, I care about my health, chemical burns, and long term effects. The person kicking your door is not a puppet master. As a human, you are responsible for your own actions. What these talks show above all else is the difference in generations. The woke mob wants wants wants but doesn't listen. I don't have to change my beliefs for you. I don't owe you anything. I gave you freedom. Every service member before me, gave me freedom. That is the beauty of America. You are free. You can have your own beliefs, as long as you don't break the law sharing them.
I am amazed at how defensive, and offensive, people get by someone simply trying to use their freedom of speech to start an honest conversation. He's not telling anyone what they should believe, he's ASKING what they believe. So I ask this, would she move one line if one good cop was there for her in a moment of need and conducted their duty completely free of any racial profiling? Would the officer instantly be racist if they found her to be wrong? Would a strongly disagree party move a line if an officer personally wronged them and left a distrust of law enforcement with them? Would they move multiple lines if they were wrongly prosecuted and served time?
A country without law enforcement would be chaos, and many, many lives would be lost. Just look around the world for proof. How about proper training and discipline for biased police behavior instead? Any thought of law enforcement abolishing is, in my opinion, absolutely insane. How about we abolish the military also? Do you think all the other countries would leave us and our freedom alone? More realistically, how fast would they invade?
A thought exercise is just that. It's an exercise. It is meant to open up your mind to other possibilities. Especially at a college. Your young minds (brains) aren't even finished developing, yet you think you have all the answers. I'm old. I have a vast amount of life experience. Guess what? I DONT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS! No one does. And if they did, sadly no one would listen anyhow.
I know she lied about them kicking her door down. They always lie if they feel they need more victimhood. I've seen it a few times with a couple family members and their friends. It's so sad. It's divided our family. My dad and brother are just being terrible over Facebook. Both highly intelligent men. A doctor and a lecturer. But strong personalities. My dad, the conservative, sounds tyrannical. And my brother, democrat, has become a righteous victim and impossible to talk to. Crazy.
The ones who are ideologically driven will never change their mind. Those who think critically are the ones willing to change their mind when shown evidence. That's how you identify the people who don't think rationally and who you shouldn't let be in a place of power.
"you have to be black to understand," is a sentence that is so important.
I can only think of three justifications to this, but please criticise and expand:
1. Racism; "non-black people are incapable of understanding what disgusting behaviours are." Which I highly dispute.
2. Mind closure; maybe due to experience or brainwashing. I.e. The refusal to accept that other people might agree with you. Seems dumb.
3. Aggression; she wants to fight. Regardless of any reasoning.
I certainly don't deny that she and others have received racial hatred which is unforgivable at any level. But she seems to be arguing for more division rather than collaboration.
When he pointed out the guy's extended argument, and said it was "more sophisticated"--- everybody on the abolish-side got triggered.
*Also, the 2 abolish girls said "nothing" would sway them, ...."No Matter What---".
Shows you how, in the end--- you really can't deal with people that have that mentality. At ALL.
. . . Not good for society.
"We got targeted because we are on a PDI!" The only reason she got accepted at a PDI is because of her skin color!
The lefties here were actually pretty cool people, they were pretty respectful. The black girl was asked a really hard question regarding data that would contradict not only her beliefs but kind of contradict her feelings from deeply personal experience, and she tried really hard to engage, even if she couldn't in the end.
The answer is YES, CSUPD, all campus security/pd's should be abolished and replaced with state/city police with all the same training/responsibilities and uniform as regular police officers. That department should also not be directly funded by the University, but through normal state/city funding means which the University will pay a cut for.
The black girl is playing the racist card and she the most racist of the people there
Young people acting like they know everything
Ask ANY 30 year old if they thought they were right in their 20’s…ZERO!
My daughter and I spent an entire year in Ft. Collins and will be returning for her to attend school in the Fall at CSU everyone was really friendly towards us. I hate that they are experiencing this.
its truly remarkable how cushioned lives these people live YET can look at themselves as if there are endless barriers and serious claims of this ghost system that holds them back. its a fckn JOKE and how these clowns get taken seriously is pathetic af.
We don't have campus police forces in the UK or In Ireland, or anywhere in europe I'm aware of. It says something terrible about a nations societal collapse that there is a need for them
"If I could show you undisputed facts to the contrary of you r position, would you change it?"
"No I wouldn't"
Ok, discussions over, people like that will never see things any other way. It's narcissistic, to be completely unable to see something from someone else point of view. Too many people have this mindset.
This is what happens when we have a generation on parents that ate too afraid to offend their kids; too afraid to be parents. And single parent households are not helping either.
The laundry story is odd and I'd be interested in more details. It's totally possible he was wronged. But for her to say "yeah and here's my story of being wronged by the police" and then just admit to committing assault...wow
Yeah, Lysol girl is just furthering the reason to NOT abolish law enforcement.
“What not “what not” “what not” my brain hurts
Pretty bizarre that in the "laundry incident" her stance is that it was unnecessary simply because they said it was and that how they behaved was irrelevant. I'm pretty sure every criminal would say police involvement was unnecessary if we let the supposed perpetrator determine if police involvement was necessary. So someone called the police, the police showed up to investigate, and it's the polices' fault they received the unnecessary call and investigated. And in her example; Rather than call the authorities she assaulted someone because they kept erasing her whiteboard. And these are the people who were smart enough to go to college?
Wow, even more bizarre. "I show you data that to YOUR SATISFACTION discredits your belief. Would that change your position....no. What she is saying is regardless of the facts SHE BELIEVES she chooses to identify as oppressed.
“I sprayed Lysol on people, and they called the police on me”
@@ValsVersion she was safe behind a closed locked door. Call the police.
You are that big boy who grabs his hand gun if someone makes a single step on his front yard.
You totally took out the entire previous incidents of harassment, banging on the door, manipulating one's property, etc. and went for the reaction portion. She could have made that up, but since you believed the after effect, why not the preconditions to why it happened?
@@ValsVersion I don't care about she and her BLM fascinations. She, and many like her, solely blame the police for race. Even though cultural differences play into the police treatment, it's mostly due to the law. The law is rotten and must be gutted and done from ground up. You fix the law, you will force the police to actually do its job rather than blowing up every incident and serving little to the end goals in society. But I digress...
hallucination that someone, somewhere stole the election, regardless of how puerile their evidence is in face of basic scrutiny in the court of law. When you ask them what's the evidence, all they show you is they saw someone with a paper. Ok? And? A mere presence of innocuous article of something is enough for them to drive to an absurd conclusion. Totally discarding many aspect of an event that clearly disprove their mindless accusations. They see a bottle of Lysol while ignoring everything else that conspired to that very point.
@@valeenoi2284 He can believe both happened and that both parties were wrong and childish and both deserved to be reprimanded by police. That the person banging on the door is not more or less wrong than spraying someone with Lysol. The fact that she was not arrested or fined means that the police simply yelled at them like the childish children they are.
@@TheAsianRepublican Cops don't reprimand; what a silly statement. They either detain your temp. or arrest you.
If you are being harassed/threatened and your property is being damaged, you have the right to self defense. If someone is banging on your door while destroying or vandalizing your property, despite the chance of being attacked, you have that right to protect yourself.
I'm not sure if you are a numskull kid or never had an encounter with the law enforcement. In such circumstances they don't simply yell at the parties. Cops have shot people for less threatening situations for their "safety", and the courts have given them a pass. So why shouldn't she be able to defend herself?
For all we know, she was exaggerating the whole ordeal, or her life was really being threatened.
She can't even hypothetically acknowledge that she might be wrong. Its beyond her.
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She's too "perfect" to even consider hypothetical scenarios
It's the addiction and adherence to her victimology ideology.
She sprayed someone with lysol.
Unbelievable! She sprayed someone in the face (or towards their face) with Lysol and she doesn't understand why the campus police got involved? Really???? And even seeing data that goes against what she believes wouldn't prove to her that she was wrong? She is a lost cause.
Sadly, she's completely indoctrinated and will (wrongly) continue to see herself as the victim in every situation
No lol she knows exactly what happened. She was explaining and then cut herself off to go back to the prompt. She knew Peter was going to ask her questions she couldn’t answer.
She said.... You might see it as what I did was wrong..... Lmao 😂😂. But cuz she has dark skin color you just don't understand that when she gets mad she is aloud to spray shit in yo face.... Cuz her great grandmothers mom's, dad's sister knew a lady who was told by a friend that they knew a guy who was a slave.....
thats battery lmao
Sorry, but she was talking about the black clothes washing example, not her own.
You combined two events.
I love what Peter Boghossian is doing in these videos, simply getting students to examine their views and engage in dialogue. It's what professors used to do in the classrooms . American education is broken.
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but they are learning about gender theory so school is good
Hahaha! Critical thinking about Critical Race Theory!
Totally agree.
Well, trying to anyways. Over half of the students/individuals I've watched in ~5ish episodes have come in with their mind made up, ears closed, and mouths full. But I feel that for those who have been able to benefit it has definitely been worth the effort.
The woman who sprayed LYSOL at another student and then says she is being targeted b/c of her race? (And not her aggressive and dangerous behavior). What am i missing here?
Typical victim. People like her are why I don't buy most claims of white privilege. Some black people want to claim everything bad that happens to them is due to racism. It's so tiresome.
Children without common sense and independent thinking. Knowing right from wrong.
This young woman was trying to make a point not realizing that she was displaying to all the intolerance of her belief system. I cannot help but think of Kimi Katiti expressing how hurtful it was to her psyche to see the world through the lens of ever-present oppressive power dynamics. The irony here is a that the young woman in the video shared that she had just left a class where this world view was likely being reinforced. I cannot help but think that she is a victim of the circumstances (although in a very different way that she likely interprets). Truly a shame.
After I heard the LYSOL remark, I would have walked firmly into the "abolish" CSUPD section. Obviously, the police aren't doing their jobs. If they had, she would have been behind bars. So, why pay the CSUPD when they are not doing their jobs?
The crazy innocent perpetrator.
As a black man who went to Florida State University I love the campus pd. They actually stopped a school shooting in under 10 minutes while I was there. Took a situation that could have been an extreme tragedy and minimize it into a minor one.
I don't understand the claim that the entire "system" is racist against black people. I can understand that some people will have bias but what are the "systemic" issues. The one claiming in the video claim to have seen evidence but cannot produce anything but their own experience. Do you think there is really such a thing in modern society as "systemic racism"?
@@thunkjunk yeah I do think there is systemic racism. One look into the legal system and you will see it immediately. If you're black you will have longer sentences on average, higher likelihood of being arrested, and much lower chance of being selected as a juror. It's not that there is no systematic racism, my point is that these are stupid solutions.
@@abzeromusic That isn't the system, that would be individual people that you're talking about. What law says to increase sentences for blacks for instance.
@@thunkjunk you never write the racism into the law. For example veryone agrees that literacy tests in the American South were racist.
At face value nothing about a literacy test is inherently racist, but in practice it was used as a way to suppress black voters.
On paper America is supposed to have equal protection under the law but that has never been the case when you look at it in real life
Wow! When did that happen?
Peter made a very good point in showing that the black girl wouldn't change her view when given contrary evidence. He showed that to them it's not about any factual evidence, it's about group loyalty and empowerment. Its about winning, not learning.
They made the mistake of being born white in America. Until they change that fact there's no conversation to be had
Yep and since she has been told that ‘systemic racism’ exists then any time a white cop stops her or when a white student bothers her it must be due to racism .. this is literally a self-reinforcing problem
Thats what i was trying to say,, you selected the right words
Who are “them” in your comment?
@@KM-fckutube In this case, I would say the racial egotists. However, I would extend this charge to most grievance studies ideologues.
Fascinating. This girl is unable or unwilling to think hypothetically, cannot name facts that shaped her opinion and is unwilling to be influenced by facts that would change her opinion. She needs to be the next host of The View.
This is the behavior of an orthodox religious person.
@@echodeltatango8030 Yes, and very similar to a religious extremist, her identity and sense of belonging are entangled with her opinions. To deny her opinions is to end her social life. She won't do it, even in the hypothetical.
And what not.
When she did show facts, they were not relevant unless you also show that crime is equally distributed across the board. I think there are stats to show otherwise although there may still be an overrepresentation of black men in prison, perhaps due to worse legal representation.
I don't have a problem with that. There are certain things you know or that you have an experience with that...some random, hypothetical stats out there won't change.
My problem is her "issue" was that the Police were more concerned with her spraying chemicals in someone's face and they took that more seriously than someone erasing her whiteboard...
And of-fucking-course they should be more concerned with actual physical harm or violence vs what is at worst I guess harassment.
I am black by the way. I just don’t understand when I see my brothers and sisters make arguments solely on the basis of the color of their skin. As if that precludes you from the norm in society. I believe that your behavior and how you reacts when an officer approaches you for any reason and explains their reason matters. You’ve got to remember that these officers who responds to calls were called by someone who’s made some type of complaint (wether you agree to the complaint or not is pointless) and they are required to make contact when necessary. If they approach you and explain why and your response is to be belligerent then you deserve no right to demand respect from them when they apply the law to the letter. I’m not advocating that they be unprofessional with you but they can be literal in applying the law without using their discretion.
The black girl admitted to using a physical response (spraying Lysol on someone) to someone who didn’t use physical means on her and her anger is the police should not have been involved. This culture of thinking needs to change.
I actually agree with the fact she use the Lysol, everything else I disagree
i would have liked if it she admitted "yeah i assaulted them after being provoked repeatedly and I think its bullshit i had no other recourse to stop that harassment besides doing so, especially as a girl, over personal property and free speech issues. does that really require police interaction?' and left it at that. i can understand that. i dont feel like her response was unreasonable, although i will accept it was illegal. youve got to be real about this shit if you want to make progress. this is an argument about beliefs in my opinion. even tho they were beliefs about race, i would have preferred if race stayed out of it. as long as the uni police would come and hassle lysol sprayers of any ethinic identity, im fine with it. i wonder how you could verify her claim that they do not.
@@ponetastic how is it hassling when it’s a police responsibility to respond and investigate an assault, no matter how small one may think it is. How could you verify her claim that they only target one ethnicity ? The point I’m making is not everything is about race and we cannot cite race when we are in the wrong and expect it to be okay.
@@tricktracy2254 bruh keep your Lysol to yourself
The culture of referring to people that share your skin color as brothers and sisters also needs to change.
Lysol lady will continue to experience a lifetime of "injustice" from Police Officers unless she changes her conduct. She feels discriminated against because although she physically assaulted someone she feels that she should be exempt from consequences.
What about the conduct of the people erasing her broad, instilling fear in her by kicking her door? The Lysol move is not the answer and I think she mentioned that. However you have to understand this is a retaliation of numerous harassments.
@@mazloum28 In her own words she said those things annoyed her. I did not hear her say she was fearful as you imply. Life is filled with annoying things. If someone right now started banging on my door that would annoy me. If my response was to open the door and spray chemicals (Lysol) into someone's face that would be an escalatory response. I have just physically assaulted someone and possibly caused them permanent blindness. I would expect to be held accountable for MY choice in how I chose to respond to something that annoyed me. What I heard her say was "even if I was right or WRONG" she still felt like the police harassed her due to her race. So she fails to acknowledge her role in the series of events. Her mindset has her thinking she holds no responsibility in the police being involved. Three step event: #1) She acknowledged the annoying actions caused by someone else, #2) she excuses/justifies her Lysol spraying conduct #3) she acknowledged the police involvement. She feels that even if she was in the wrong (her words) she feels that because she felt annoyed she should get a pass. She feels justified. That's not how civilized societies works. We can't control what people do but we can and must control how we respond. Now to go back to the pre Lysol spraying. If people were vandalizing her board or kicking at her door, she should have reported THEM or if she felt safe enough she could have told them to knock it off. If it continued then she could have gotten the police involved. The moment she opened the door to spray chemicals in someone's face she escalated the annoyance to an assault. We all have to exercise some sort of self regulation/ self discipline, otherwise we'd be swinging at everyone who annoys us.
@@HeavenCanW8T a majority we’re bullying a minority and the minority retaliated. Violence is not the answer. I agree with you that the proper route should have been to contact the proper authorities but she likely didn’t because in her experience the likely outcome nothing would have came of it. That’s why she’s standing on that side of the spectrum. This is likely one is thousands of harassing instances this woman has been through.
I'm curious. As an Australian who's worked in educational settings, we usually had some agreements, otherwise known as rules, so that it lessened the chances of people coming into conflict with each other. So, I can imagine a rule such as "no political statements on your external board, but political posters are ok inside your room." An external board is easily altered by someone else. So I can see, a notice, such as "Kill all ... " would mean the room's occupants would be made targets by a third party. So, blanket rule: no political statements in public spaces, only in those designated. Maybe she conveniently left that out.
@@mazloum28 you claim that violence isn't the answer, yet up and down this comment section you are using her race as justification for violence. I vet that if she opened the door and hit someone with a baseball bat, you'd still be trying to justify here violence, using her race and the "thousands" of time she was "harassed".
I appreciated the guy's line at the end "hearing other peoples' opinions made it easier to express my own". This is the exact reason that silencing people for being "harmful" is the real harm being done right now.
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Preach it, Charles!
Seeing people admit that nothing could possibly change their opinion on a matter is so sad and disappointing.
she has so much hate and racism in her heart that nothing will change her mind.
she's clearly playing for the public and for the "party" so to speak, she comes from the agenda and from that conviction that you can't budge one centimeter of ground to the opposite camp, so she says "no" and then tries to justify and rationalize it somehow. Which is um.. re... doesn't look good on her let's just say.
The cops came because your fellow students called them on you! It's not the cop's fault. If they get a report, they must investigate, no matter how trivial it sounds at first. It's not difficult to understand.
Its typical blackinism and wokism. Abolish the police but when they are in trouble and need the police then they would cry wolf if the police did not come fast enough
no it very difficult if you are a shitforbrains actually
These people will never be happy. Definitely not in our lifetime. Check back in 400 years.
Black people call cops on black people ..system racism indeed lol.
She's a nut case.
It is, if you’re an idiot. Can’t you see the difference in intelligence between the two sides? One side is logic and reasonable, the other one just talks about feelings and use straw man arguments like: you’re white you can’t understand.
The second someone says that their opinion can not be swayed under any circumstances, my trust for that person's ability to come to reasonable conclusions plummets. Certainty is the enemy of truth.
She's worse than the supposed thing that she despises.
Well, it depends on the topic. For one such as this and how they actually interpreted the question, sure. But for a lot of things in life there is an objective truth and if you stand on that line there's no reason to welcome a different opinion because an opinion different from the truth is then called delusion.
@@charred6683 and she had an actual experience which confirmed her truth..
It sucks but it happens. You do it too from time to time.
@@shpensive Do I know you or did you reply to wrong person?
That’s INSANE she’s literally admitting (the hypothetical part where she said that she wouldn’t move) that she’s so biased that no matter what the facts are she still wouldn’t care and will never change her opinion. I’m blown away that she’s literally admitting that she does not care at all. Wtf.
You can't force someone to change a religious view
she's not very capable first of all, unable to imagine a hypothetical scenario and hold it and its potential consequences in her head for a minute. She was clearly struggling with that, regardless of the racial issue.
@@infinitestare I read that 95% of people with an iq of less than 70 are not capable of running thought experiments
"would you change your mind if I had data to show the campus police weren't racist?"
"no because they're racist."
I hope we can forgive this brilliant woman's student loans.
@KomodoDragon possibly but she sees everything through a racial lens. If a white cop stops her then it must be due to racism. That’s it, no other possible reason in her mind
@KomodoDragon Lived experience means nothing - particularly when forming public policy.
@KomodoDragon Lived experience means nothing... absolutely nothing. It rarely contradicts statistical evidence. Not even worth considering. Bunch of post modern bullshit.
@KomodoDragon Hence why the former is ILLOGICAL in the face of the latter.
@KomodoDragon Lived experience is nonsense. If a white guy slaps me because I was a dick, but I incorrectly concluded that he did so because I was black. My lived experience would have reached a false conclusion.
The whole gimmick of lived experience is to try to side step the highly likely possibility of an incorrect interpretation.
Notice how the girl at one point said it doesn't matter how the person reacts... Meaning, if 'i feel' I did nothing wrong, I should be allowed to act belligerently. Yet If others react negatively to my belligerence, I can then conclude their negative reaction is a consequence of their ingrained racism.
And even if the person reacting toe is black, I can still conclude that they've internalized the wider populations racism.
So no matter what happens, my lived experience will always be that all interactions are racist.
It is frightening to hear someone say that no evidence could ever make them reconsider their position. They cling unconditionally to their BLM dogma and it would seem that rational dialogue is impossible. How then can the disagreement ever be resolved without violence?
It can't be.
I bet her view would change like thr blm leader in thr uk who was shot and now in a coma by black gang drive by
@@npcimknot958 Yes - Sasha Johnson....God bless her! I hope she pulls through.
Yeah the media brainwashed her and a lot of people in the black community. I’m black and see it in members of old friends, family, etc and it’s bad. No one thinks logically, just pure emotion.
He was talking about a hypothetical data while she said she had valid data coupled with her own experience. It's always good to understand people experience differently based on their characteristics. For eg, your experience as a woman is different from mine as a man and we should all empathize with each other.
“What would I have to show you that would make you move?”
“Nothing..”
It’s amazing how hard some people will fight to remain a victim.
As long as you’re a victim, you can deflect accountability for your own situation and actions.. if things don’t go your way, it’s the “systems” fault
It’s gross and hard to watch honestly
Exactly!
These videos are perfect examples of why kids shouldn’t be making important decisions.
Adults are no better. Who do you think dulled thier critical thinking in the first place.
The sad part is, there aren't even kids; they are 18-23 years old- 2 years away from being able to run as a Representative. Seriously. This is NOT age; this is absolutely the crazies raising kids and also trying to indoctrinate OTHER peoples' kids.
Important decisions like burying themselves in debt!
@@aa1bb2cc3dd4 Yep, you’re right. This is legacy ignorance right here.
Absolutely.
@@robertmartin995 they were never taught
The donkey told the tiger, “The grass is blue.”
The tiger replied, “No, the grass is green.”
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn’t it true that the grass is blue?”
The lion replied: “If you believe it is true, the grass is blue.”
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him.”
The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence.”
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue…”
The tiger asked the lion, “Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?”
The lion replied, ′′You’ve known and seen the grass is green.”
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?”
The lion replied, “That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!”
Damn
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The black woman made very clear that antiracism is a faith to her. It's a religion and in some aspects it is even more closeminded than the traditional religions, which is just insane.
have you heard of John Mcwhorter? I believe he is a linguistic professor at Columbia University and wrote a very interesting book called "Woke Racism, how a new religion has failed black America" and in this book he talks about how this has now become a religion because no matter how much evidence u can present to a person they have a belief that racism is in EVERTHING in this country and you just cant reason with them anymore. This girl was a prime example. Despite the level of deep conversation and you could see her REALLY thinking about things for a moment....she ultimately refused to have her mind changed even just a little. She believes in racism and that she must fight against it and thats about it. No amount of data or evidence will persuade her to think otherwise
@@18mofako yes, I watch him very often 😁
Racism is her faith, not "antiracism"...
Antiracism? More like anti-whiteness, anti-rationality.
Black people love "racism" because it gives them an excuse not to improve themselves and they can continue to blame other people for their failures.
I went to CSU twice and barely even knew the CSU PD was there. Never heard of any abuses. Seemed mostly about traffic issues. Someone needs to do that.
"No, I still wouldn't change my mind because I'm a total ideologue and I have spent way too much time learning buzzwords like 'systemic' and I have attended too many BLM riot... I mean protests, so I simply can't afford to be wrong. My ego and my identity simply wouldn't survive something like that. So I don't care about the truth, as long as I have it my way". That's what she should have said, since that's really the truth.
That’s a really good way of putting it
well summed up
Bang on, very impressive post !!
@@kenglass7833 thank you 😃
...get it right "Peaceful Protests."
8:50 "It doesn't matter how he reacted." That's the root of the issue right there. It does matter how you react. In the serious situations, resisting arrest escalates into an unnecessary confrontation. The majority of videos I see online are due to poor reactions to the police.
As soon as she said that I know they are the guilty ones
If i find someones wallet on the street and then return it to a police department but in doing so i act abrasive and dodgy, am i supposed to be surprised that the police would be suspicious of me? Of course how you react matters in how people will observe you. Its an idiotic statement.
She sprayed Lysol in another students face. Fact is you could potentially BLIND the person you assaulted with Lysol. then she laughs. This is a really sick criminal way of thinking
People are often the heros in their own stories
amazingly entitled attitide. anything I do is ok anything you do is wrong
Diversity is our greatest strength. I'm sure the lysol in someones eyes made them way stronger.
@@johnconnors6412 She;s a lousy human being and a huge reason of why this country has the unique problems that it has right now. She and her ilk live in their little bubbles and just reaffirm the same miserable BS every day.
I mean yea she wasn’t the hero in that story.. but I’ve had Lysol and Axe sprayed directly in my eyes, it’s not that bad lol the people (not you) calling for her to be locked up are wild
What a revealing example of how one side's belief structure is dogmatic.
Unfalsifiable religion. As many have suggested.
It's weird how the black girl couldn't stop judging the 2 people on the strongly disagree line by their race while complaining about racism and judging people by the color of their skin.
How can she not see that? She is exhibiting the very behavior she claims to be against.
@@bennypit4411 Very common.
@@bennypit4411 First time?
Victimhood mentality is dogmatic
I love that she is actively searching statistics to appear more educated when approached with questions. She’s actively Google searching things that will help support her stubborn position even more so.
They both were it's ridiculous
And her statistics didn't even prove anything. Assuming they're accurate, a higher percentage of black people ending up in prison is not proof of racism in policing. For example, I live in Maryland. By far the most crime ridden jurisdiction in this state is Baltimore City, which I believe has the second highest homicide rate in the country right now. Prince George's County, which borders on Washington D.C., is really bad too. These happen to be black majority areas. So the prison demographics in my state are simply representative of where the serious crimes are occurring.
@@GhostsDontWalk1 Sentences, in terms of severity go: black men, white men, black women, white women. Also, if you correct for courtroom behaviour sentencing disparity virtually disappears. Don't get me wrong, I am the last person to say "racism doesn't exist" but it's a bit complicated, and the proposed solutions are always stupid.
I’m sooo over the black conversation. Judge me all you want. I honestly tried, but for crying out loud, at this point it’s just madness.
Whiny entitled blacks moaning and crying about how terrible whites are. Damn right it gets old fast
Most of us are too, virtue signaling is extremely exhausting
Agreed. It's so bizarre. I graduated h.s. in the late 80s ( yes I get it, I'm old). The messaging back then and in the90s was to be color blind. Now color is the first thing woke ppl want you to consider.
This racist black girl is a disgrace to humanity
@@dabooser1048
You haven't met Jesus in person by any chance?
“Queen” Lysol dropped the narrative of her story like a cinder once he clarified that she had responded to words physically, jumping straight back into the comforting arms of the CRT script’s embrace.
words are violence. Stop covering for verbal violence. We've known words are violence since 2000, when studies in psychology proved it.
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Nobody has ever heard the term “sticks and stones”? Words only have weight depending on how you take them. People make conciliatory decisions to allow words to bother them.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 Ok, your words hurt me. Where do you livvvve? I have the right to attackk you
Kicking doors, destroying property… thats not just words
@@neglectfulsausage7689 why are you so weak
I went to college in the eighties and we didnt call people "people of color" we just thought of each other as other students. This is learned racism.
Yes it’s racism and deep rooted insecurities disguised as victimhood. And ”PWI” = predominantly white institutions (first time i’ve heard that one) Wouldn’t that pretty much be everywhere if you’re 13% of the population?
Learned racism from democrats. Sad these people need to grow up!
I love how the black girl struggled when put into a corner on if she would change her stance if provided statistics that shows her position is false, and she wouldn't, which means there is nothing anyone could possibly do to change her mind that she is experiencing systemic racism: she has a death grip on the notion she is a victim, because for her it's a safety-blanket that allows her to avoid responsibility for shitty behavior.
Everyone is heard. Peter's patience is extremely helpful and fair.
The black women is the most dangerous kind of zealot. She would refuse objective provable data and rethink her ideas. She’s insane. It’s terrifying these people are allowed into college.
The college has a diversity quota.
Her inability to see that it might be her actions e.g. spraying lysol at people, or, responding beligerently in interactions with others, rather than the shade her skin is, has me shaking my head in disbelief. Nothing will change without some admission that it may not be (just sometimes) the skin type but rather the behaviour in the interaction. Lysol has potential to do permanent damage to eyes. PERMANENT, and she thinks that's ok?
@@nicholasr79 that’s wrong.
She probably was less dogmatic than she is now when she was admitted into college.
She's a sociopath. Approximately 3 percent of the ppl are. She's one of them
She can't even imagine being wrong... Shocker
The Lysol chick was just all over the place. She knows she's in the wrong, but just refuses to admit it so deflects to everything else.
Sad thing is, I don't think she thinks she's wrong and neither does the "unjustice department" girl who spewed nonsense.
People like her seem to revel in the attention that being a minority and being ‘oppressed’ gives. If everything became wildly objectively ‘equal’, her identity and purpose for being would crumble. She has little idea if anything she experiences happens to other people or not. She simply thinks every negative interaction is because of racism. Other people who experience the same negative interactions will put it down to other reasons.
If I get pulled over, it’s probably because I did something wrong, if she gets pulled over it’s immediately ‘because she is black’. I mean really?
It's because it's easy to be the victim. It easy to blame others or something mysterious for the transgression being committed. She will always be a perpetual victim her entire life.
Every jerk she comes across in life will be chalked up to racism. Every rude or inconsiderate gesture or comment will be due to racism. If the store is out of her favorite bread it’s the result of racism.
And in the long game she will lose. They are pushing people away
shes the hero in her own twisted little story of life, how dare you try and take that away from her you rayzist
The cop's main concern was that a crime took place. How odd.
The common theme even among students opposed to abolishing the police was acceptance of the systemic racism claim. It is frightening how thoroughly that false ideology is simply accepted without any thoughtful consideration.
I actually believe that they are just scared to say they think it’s not a systemic issue.
I never understood how they can call a whole system racist and not see that a "system" is just a group of people in the same line of work. Which laws or guidelines can they point to that are racist? It's obvious that there are racist cops, as there is racist cashier's and bus drivers too. there is going to be hateful people in every line of work because there are just so many unhappy and hateful people in the world. We need to have ways to root out evil people, not blame "systems" which is just an excuse to hate and be angry at something that doesn't serve your personal interests. The inability to break things down and want to find the sources of the issue is strange. It's more about feeling oppressed and causing division than finding solutions. I wonder if they won't call 911 if God forbid they are ever in danger.
I know. A few years ago we never heard about ‘systemic racism’ but now it’s supposedly everywhere and the cause of all the worlds harms. Universities push this ideology full bore
@@thehandyman6823 on fairness, the white woman in glasses did.
@gatherington You are framing the issue black men being "being targeted" by police. I think you miss the point. When you factor in the % of murders committed by race, the answer becomes clear. With that said, I believe we should have an ethical and effective police force that treats people based on their behavior and actions and not based on their race. Blaming a specific problem on a vague and false concept like "systemic racism" is not helpful. It would be better to do a root cause analysis and collect information and evidence to identify the various contributing factors.
Peter I have a deep respect for you level of patience. I myself would find it frustrating if someone said they could not be swayed based on any evidence whatsoever.
Very closed minded people. How did they get into an institute of higher learning? Being closed to changing your mind or new ideas spits on the very concept of education. Sad.
Over the past decade and ecspecially over the past six years I’ve noticed this at a rampant rate. The vast majority of the time 99% were always four year college grads.. I didn’t believe in mass psychosis / brainwashing for the longest time but now I do .
same. this is one of the hallmarks of illiberalism.
That's why the left is so successful. You hook someone first with an emotional argument, especially when they convince you it's morally superior, and it becomes difficult to change based on reason.
Watching him teach you how to be patience ☺️
We get targeted…
By breaking the law in the case of assault by house hold cleaner (It’s unimaginable that some student erasing a BLM sign is not immediately expelled) OR by “touching somebody’s clothes” which I highly doubt was the case. More like belligerent and resisting arrest.
Her inability to acknowledge the hypothetical is textbook mid-wit behavior.
Her victim mindset is so strong. I honestly feel bad for her.
I don't know Peter & this is only the 2nd of his videos I've seen but seems like, as soon as he walks into town, he immediately becomes the best teacher on whatever campus he's on.
Correctamundo ✔️
If you don't know about his work with 'feminist scholars' you should check into it. He pretended with some colleagues to be feminists and got published with insane ideas.
Peter's an atheist!
That young black woman has been conditioned into believing she's a victim. She's a slave and doesn't care
These kids probably got a better education by Peter in the plaza than they do in their classrooms.
Love your work Peter! ❤
Not too far from the truth, I hate to say. I went to CSU (Class of '93), and what I hear out of some students there now makes me think the school has deteriorated.
I have recently returned to university, in my early 40s@@mmille10 . I did not quite meet the entry requirements, and I stated this at the faculty interview. My head of faculty looked around and said "I would deny I said this, but your exam results are REAL exam results, from the 90s. You far exceed the requirements of 2021."
Something missing in that laundry 🧺 story. Arrested and sent to court for moving someone’s laundry from one machine to another??? I don’t buy it from even the most racist institution.
The guy probably wen't back and saw his laundy wasnt where he left it and didn't wanna ask a black guy hey bro you got my stuff because let's be honest, This guy clearly would call someone racist in that case.
The guy went to the campus police to deal with the issue.
Even if the police did overact here, Oh no you had to talk to the police, what bastards lol.
I was just cleaning your clothes bro. Sure
@@Phisherman86 Trayvon, George Floyd, Mike Brown, Kyle's 3 victims - all murdered for being bI a k. You don't need to know the details of the case. I'd bet my bottom dollar the washing machine story has a few more details we don't need to know as well.
I call bullshit on both of them... and the only reason why that BLACK GIRL hasn't been kicked out is because she is BLACK. A white or asian person spraying someone with lysol wouild have spent a night in jail and very likely kicked out.
being in the company of queen lysol and not batting an eye on her story makes him a complete liar and/or dangerous in my book
None of these students strike me as terribly bright or original thinkers, but those on the "abolish" side have a particularly toxic combination of dimness coupled with a victim obsessed worldview and deep persecution complex, apparently to the point that they believe escalating a petty whiteboard erasure to physical violence is not only a perfectly permissable action, but one that when the police are called makes THEM the *real* victim in the situation. Unsurprisingly she is utterly incapable of even understanding, let alone entertaining a hypothetical thought experiment. This is what roughly half a century of dogmatic leftist identity politics and grievance studies in liberal arts departments across the nation very predicably gets you. ...."and what not" 🙄
That’s why the left want to preach their toxic crap to people at a young age because they know by the time there 20 years old most will have internalized their position and are incapable of any type of paradigm shift. Not that I was well versed or eloquently when I was 20 and in college but I find these people stunningly stupid and they go off on tangents that make no cense.
Yep and that all problems are due to racism or sexism . Either or and no other causes are even possible
Lysol gal has shaky reasoning, or lack thereof, but I will probably side with her complaint if in fact students were erasing her board. ( Which leads me to wonder if she also was guilty of provoking other students in her own right. Maybe she intimidated others. Possible as well. ) Going point-by-point, no one should be erasing boards ( unless some Student Policy code was broken ). Expressing oneself on one's dorm door is personal. My further question to her would be if she has ever erased or taken down or damaged anyone else's door for their political views. ( There weren't anywhere near enough facts and context to get at what her complaint was and to determine her innocence or not. )
What a horrible way to look at life, I'm always going to be held back b/c of something I can't change, and then saying there is nothing you can show me that will get me to change my mind. I kind of feel sorry for the young woman, she will probably have this mindset the rest of her life.
Some of these kids obviously have been taught that they are victims. The idea of a world view is something these kids dont have. They have assumptions yet nothing to compare them too. Everyone on here is entitled and they dont know it.
Wow, I am white and I bet that if I was rude and insulted the police while an encounter with them, the police would react with a very negative action. In my 70 years of life, my encounters with the police carrying out their law enforment duties have proven to me that police are like everyone else. You treat the police with disrespect and distain you get treated in like kind. I have noticed if you treat the police like your elders they treat you with understanding and respect. All I can say, treat the police with respect and be polite, don't argue with the police. They are just trying to keep us all safe. I am in awe that the police do such a great job in keeping us all safe.
Lick the boots. Irregardless of whether rights are violated or not ... lick the boots.
Joel - Your state of mind IS the problem.
I propose a real world experiment. Go out and conduct a 1st amendment audit and see how public officials, including police officers, treat you. Remember, we all have Freedom of Press as an inalienable right as United States citizens. I'd be interested in your thoughts concerning this matter.
except police arent your elders or betters. say "yes massa" if you feel that way.
Confrontation of police while they are trying to do there job is not the time or place to be a jerk. If you have issues with anything the police are doing, file a complaint. Talking crap or getting in the face or getting an attitude while the police are trying to bring order to a situation is inappropriate. The cops have a job, there is no justification to be rude or be a jerk. Let them do their job, accept the ticket or whatever and then fight the issue in court or file a complaint. They have cameras to either justify their actions or to justify your complaints.
@@JoeL-sc4cy you dont just lick t he boot you swallow it whole. How are you stil lbreathing?
Please don't stop giving us a window into our youth and campus opinions. Wholly illuminating and so frustrating but seeing there are issues is the first step to discussing the same in our own lives and maybe help move people from their "line".
I went to this university and recently an acquantance disagreed with me about something on Facebook. He was shocked that we went to the same uni, same professors, and same major and could disagree. Clearly he thinks the role of college is to be taught what to think, which I find frightening.
A theft that has been reported should be investigated, they found the property in his possession. The girl assaulted someone.
he was just washing someone elses clothes 🤔🙄
@@johnconnors6412 It's been awhile but I'm guessing that laundry theft still happens in dorms and such right? Campus cops everywhere probably have 2 of these a day to respond to. The rad-girl was acting like it was cops being racist again.
yeah but who needs accountability, when racism ya know?
I have absolutely nothing kind to say other than the fact that Peter has superhuman patience. I'm watching this smh at these "students".
These are excellent exercises - probably more edifying for us than even the participants. Well done Dr.!
"this hypothetical isn't hypothetical" can you define "I don't get it?"
It's crazy how conspiratorial the idealogy is, racism must be at the root of all police forces, racism must be the explanation behind all negative behaviour of those institutions, there's no partial aspect to it, racism must infect everything at all levels. Fascinating. Glad you are doing this professor, getting people exploring each others' ideas, I do hope this game of endless polarisation runs it's course
The fact that she couldn't accept a hypothetical question is the one thing that really stood out to me. I've read this, probably was a meme post, that people of sufficiently low IQ can't understand such a concept. Or have real trouble with metaphors and not 1:1 comparison. Like:
1 What if you didn't eat anything today, how would you feel?
2 What do you mean? I had breakfast and lunch.
1 But imagine that you didn't. How would you feel?
2...but I ate today.
You often hit this wall with randos on social media.
I wonder if she's just not smart enough to understand the concept of hypothetical question or if she's so deep into the religion. Or both.
I grew up in Aberdeen in Scotland, a place where almost everyone was/is white. The types of discrimination that they list as happening only because they are black, absolutely happened to people around me and even me. That's because people do stupid shit on purpose or by accident and then other people overreact; like calling the cops because someone put your laundry in their machine by accident. It reminds me of feminists who claim that men talk over them in meanings. Maybe, but men also talk over men, and sometimes women talk over men too. I have often found that people particularly talk over me even though I think my insights are usually better and more succinct. Should I start a support group or movement for men who have experienced the same issue as me?
That's CTR for ya... how it works in practice. Not how it works in theory.
Yep, alll problems are due to racism or sexism or both. The fact that this is drilled into so many students heads is disturbing
@@brianmeen2158 Several times throughout the exercise, I kept imagining what these kids were taught in their classrooms prior to CSU.
This is great. This is a clear way to demonstrate how ideological and entrenched these people are, even to a person who has no idea about about the current climate. Well done, Peter!
There are more to the stories recounted by these CSU students than they are willing to admit to Dr. Boghossian.
"I was just washing his clothes." Sounds like the bully at school who says, "I was just borrowing his toy, I was going to give it back."
@@cypheir
Agreed. As prosecutorial attorney Vincent Bugliosi was fond of saying, "No matter how thin you make the pancake, there are still two sides."
@@cypheir The idea that the average person is more likely to risk a confrontation with a black person by moving their clothes, over a white person, is hilariously absurd. I would bet my life savings that her claim is false.
@@toobnoobify It is people like her's fault that noone wants to get into potential confrontations with black people so they call the cops. Immediately calling racist when a poor interaction happens is why the cops get called because the student doesn't want to be called racist and all the cancel culture shit thrown at them.
@@cypheir If it was a baseless theft accusation, then why did it culminate in him having to go to a hearing? That's my question. And it sounded almost like a campus hearing, which would presumably be extrajudicial, meaning campus police elected to handle it as an administrative matter rather than a criminal matter. Which seems like it could be rather charitable, not oppressive.
Also, it's the job of police to investigate complaints under the initial assumption that they're true. If a student accused him of theft, they have to take that claim seriously and investigate its veracity. They can't simply dismiss it.
It's possible that, if there was any element of racism to his experience, it stemmed only from the student who baselessly accused him, rather than the manner in which police handled it. But the police are an easy scapegoat.
It's also possible that the police had no reason to suspect him of theft, but harassed him anyway because they hate black people. But I very much doubt that.
I think the crucial facts were omitted.
Interesting video. I still shake my head that these students are being told that racism is everywhere. Granted racism does exist but when students are taught to see everything through a racial lens, it literally creates it’s own set of problems. I can’t understand why it how professors and students don’t see this..
Far too many profs endorse this.
I wish Peter Boghossian would have asked a hypothetical question about how the students would respond in the event that a criminal where breaking into their apartment while they are home or something along with those lines. In the case of an extreme emergency where they are in the process of being the victim of a serious crime, who would they call for help? A mental health group to arrive and provide the burglar psychological counseling?
When they complain that black people are targeted, what they mean is, "how dare you hold us accountable. We should be able to do anything we want."
Not being able to hypothesize goes to show that trying to make things better, correct where something has gone wrong, will never satisfy those who victimize themselves
You are provided basically all the information you need to know when a person tells you there's no evidence which would change their minds.
if anything, the girl who sprayed lysol in someone's face is lucky she didn't get arrested. that is a serious offense. it's sad that she sees herself as a victim and not lucky.
I genuinely believe if it had been any person of a different race, they would have been arrested.
After the summer of love, an insane number of cops resigned all over america.
They know if they have to deal with a criminal, and he/she happens to be black, they are screwed.
@@luizmatte4345 i agree. when it comes to police encounters, black people actually have privilege because cops are afraid to mess with them in fear of losing their jobs.
@@shuarma0 It sounds odd, because this talk of systemic racism/racist cops has been hammered down people's throats, but the data says otherwise.
When I was confronted with it (data), I had to change my opinions on the issue, doesn't seem like these students would be willing to do so...
@@luizmatte4345 If you correct for courtroom behaviour sentencing disparity virtually disappears.