This ending is beyond beautiful. All the pain, blame and guilt melts away when Ellie is moments from ending Abby's life. And to think, it's all thanks to the last conversation Ellie had with Joel. Where Joel reaffirms his actions and Ellie finally begins to forgive, only for him to die before she was able to make peace with him. To make matters worse, now she blames herself for Joel's death. After all, if their paths had never crossed, Joel would never have made that fateful decision to save her life. But, when all was said and done, Ellie finally accepted Joel's decision and it's consequences. As a result, she was able to forgive and grow. Progress with peace in her heart as oppose to regressing whilst hate and suffering festered deep within.
It is, but it doesn't make sense. I understand what they are trying to show but it doesn't work like that. On what premise, did she want to forgive Abby? She chose to forgive her while murdering countless others for no reason. Ellie was not provided any context of even why Abby even murdered her and therefore no reason of why she should be forgiven. Ellie should have some context/perspective provided if she was to forgive her. If we should forgive people for what they do, then we shouldn't have a law system to punish people for their actions. It is just designed to emotionally manipulate and subdue your feelings. They just wanted to kill of Joel for no good reason, because of a lack of better ideas
@@Adam-pt7ud Couple points. Let me break them down: 1. Ludonarrative dissonance is a problem in tlou1 as well. It's similar with many consequence in videogames as whole. Take 3 shots to the chest while charging the enemy in game. Then you twist your ankle in a cutscenes and you're limping for the next two missions. This is an inherent limitation of the medium which I'd argue tlou does an admirable job of exploring. Joel has a target on his back because of the people he crossed in the fall season in tlou1. David manipulates Ellie into giving away his location. While weighty consequences are selectively explored, you can't outright reject the ones that do pop up just because they're not equally explored or given equal consideration. Tlou2 even surpasses it's predecessor in this respect. David from tlou1 kinda pops up out of nowhere conveniently hating Joel for killing his men. No backstory is given to justify this hatred beyond a surface level explanation. Tlou2 justifies Abbie's hatred of Joel by dedicating significant time to her backstory as it relates to her murdered father. You can wish they took the story in a different direction but you can't convince me that it wasn't a competently told story that didn't make sense. It made perfect sense why she hated Joel. 2. If we put aside the ludonarrative dissonance inherent to violent video games, lets explore why Ellie might have changed her mind about taking revenge on Abbie. Like I've already said, tlou2 is layered in it's approach to it's character's motivations. Ellie is the most layered of all. Her most surface level motivation is to take revenge on Abbie. Why? Because she basically murdered her adopted father. But there's more to it than that. Her motivations all stem from her pessimism. Her anger. Not only for Abby but also for Joel and for herself. She hated Joel because he robbed her of what she perceived to be her life's meaning. She was immune and was left behind by Riley because of her immunity. This gave her immense drive towards an extrinsic outcome. A cure. But what lesson did tlou1 teach us? It taught us that despite life's misery and suffering, even in a zombie apocalypse, you keep finding something to fight for. You don't give up and die. You find people to love and care for and that "something" justifies the fight. Joel had lost that "something" when he lost his daughter. Tlou1 was Joel's journey of self discovery, not Ellies. Joel has found his reason for continuing to live. Tlou2 was about Ellies Journey. She held Joel in contempt. She was determined to save humanity whatever to cost to herself because she didn't want to live after having lost so much. Tlou1 ending cemented this! Joel recognized that telling Ellie the truth would in that moment would cause her self destruction. Because she hadn't found that "something" yet. The final moments of tlou2 showed us this. The final flashback was a moment of catharsis. Ellie was finally ready to except the tragety of life and find her reason to fight. She decided to make an effort to forgive Joel. Then he was taken from her the day after. So really, Ellie wasn't truly hateful towards Abbie. She still hated Joel for taking her agency but most importantly, she hated herself for not having had the strength to forgive Joel in time. She hated that her grieving process had been cut short not only by Abbie but also by herself. She could have introspected and started forgiving Joel 2 years prior, but she didn't. So... Abbie was spared because Ellie finally understood what she needed in order to continue living. She needed to go on the same Journey Joel went on as well as Abbie. She needed keep finding her reason to continue fighting. Killing Abbie couldn't be that reason. Things would continue on a downwards trajectory for her regardless. So why strive towards to completion of her cycle of violence when it had nothing to do with her deep and unresolved trauma.
I think the moment when Joel says "she would be lucky to have you" Ellie flashback memory of their last conversation makes Ellie realise that Joel is gone, and she needs to leave her past behind her and she decides to go back to Dina and JJ.
I actually think it was about forgiveness. In the final fight with Abby she remembered her last conversation with Joel and how she tried to forgive and now she is finally able to. She managed to forgive Joel and Abby at the same time.
Well I don’t think she went back to Jackson, at that point Dina resents Ellie for abandoning the family. I think she simply just went her own way. But honestly I really could be wrong, it’s ambiguous.
Not gonna lie, when Ellie walked offscreen, I half expected to hear a gunshot sound effect. As if to imply that after her life completely went to Hell, after she lost everything she ever loved, she just decided to put herself out of her misery. Note: I'm not saying I wanted that to happen, it's just that that is a typical way I've seen stories like this end, so much that's it basically a cliche now, so I just assumed that would happen here too
i wasn't the biggest fan of hulk female warrior or killing off the main character, to quote Troy Baker "in a pornagraphic" way. but this game when it came to a close pulled me in, and i loved it.
This ending is beyond beautiful.
All the pain, blame and guilt melts away when Ellie is moments from ending Abby's life. And to think, it's all thanks to the last conversation Ellie had with Joel. Where Joel reaffirms his actions and Ellie finally begins to forgive, only for him to die before she was able to make peace with him. To make matters worse, now she blames herself for Joel's death. After all, if their paths had never crossed, Joel would never have made that fateful decision to save her life. But, when all was said and done, Ellie finally accepted Joel's decision and it's consequences. As a result, she was able to forgive and grow. Progress with peace in her heart as oppose to regressing whilst hate and suffering festered deep within.
It is, but it doesn't make sense. I understand what they are trying to show but it doesn't work like that. On what premise, did she want to forgive Abby? She chose to forgive her while murdering countless others for no reason. Ellie was not provided any context of even why Abby even murdered her and therefore no reason of why she should be forgiven. Ellie should have some context/perspective provided if she was to forgive her. If we should forgive people for what they do, then we shouldn't have a law system to punish people for their actions. It is just designed to emotionally manipulate and subdue your feelings. They just wanted to kill of Joel for no good reason, because of a lack of better ideas
@@Adam-pt7ud Couple points. Let me break them down:
1.
Ludonarrative dissonance is a problem in tlou1 as well. It's similar with many consequence in videogames as whole. Take 3 shots to the chest while charging the enemy in game. Then you twist your ankle in a cutscenes and you're limping for the next two missions. This is an inherent limitation of the medium which I'd argue tlou does an admirable job of exploring. Joel has a target on his back because of the people he crossed in the fall season in tlou1. David manipulates Ellie into giving away his location. While weighty consequences are selectively explored, you can't outright reject the ones that do pop up just because they're not equally explored or given equal consideration. Tlou2 even surpasses it's predecessor in this respect. David from tlou1 kinda pops up out of nowhere conveniently hating Joel for killing his men. No backstory is given to justify this hatred beyond a surface level explanation. Tlou2 justifies Abbie's hatred of Joel by dedicating significant time to her backstory as it relates to her murdered father. You can wish they took the story in a different direction but you can't convince me that it wasn't a competently told story that didn't make sense. It made perfect sense why she hated Joel.
2. If we put aside the ludonarrative dissonance inherent to violent video games, lets explore why Ellie might have changed her mind about taking revenge on Abbie. Like I've already said, tlou2 is layered in it's approach to it's character's motivations. Ellie is the most layered of all. Her most surface level motivation is to take revenge on Abbie. Why? Because she basically murdered her adopted father. But there's more to it than that. Her motivations all stem from her pessimism. Her anger. Not only for Abby but also for Joel and for herself. She hated Joel because he robbed her of what she perceived to be her life's meaning. She was immune and was left behind by Riley because of her immunity. This gave her immense drive towards an extrinsic outcome. A cure. But what lesson did tlou1 teach us? It taught us that despite life's misery and suffering, even in a zombie apocalypse, you keep finding something to fight for. You don't give up and die. You find people to love and care for and that "something" justifies the fight. Joel had lost that "something" when he lost his daughter. Tlou1 was Joel's journey of self discovery, not Ellies. Joel has found his reason for continuing to live. Tlou2 was about Ellies Journey. She held Joel in contempt. She was determined to save humanity whatever to cost to herself because she didn't want to live after having lost so much. Tlou1 ending cemented this! Joel recognized that telling Ellie the truth would in that moment would cause her self destruction. Because she hadn't found that "something" yet. The final moments of tlou2 showed us this. The final flashback was a moment of catharsis. Ellie was finally ready to except the tragety of life and find her reason to fight. She decided to make an effort to forgive Joel. Then he was taken from her the day after. So really, Ellie wasn't truly hateful towards Abbie. She still hated Joel for taking her agency but most importantly, she hated herself for not having had the strength to forgive Joel in time. She hated that her grieving process had been cut short not only by Abbie but also by herself. She could have introspected and started forgiving Joel 2 years prior, but she didn't. So... Abbie was spared because Ellie finally understood what she needed in order to continue living. She needed to go on the same Journey Joel went on as well as Abbie. She needed keep finding her reason to continue fighting. Killing Abbie couldn't be that reason. Things would continue on a downwards trajectory for her regardless. So why strive towards to completion of her cycle of violence when it had nothing to do with her deep and unresolved trauma.
I think the moment when Joel says "she would be lucky to have you" Ellie flashback memory of their last conversation makes Ellie realise that Joel is gone, and she needs to leave her past behind her and she decides to go back to Dina and JJ.
I actually think it was about forgiveness. In the final fight with Abby she remembered her last conversation with Joel and how she tried to forgive and now she is finally able to. She managed to forgive Joel and Abby at the same time.
I love the way they left it open for interpretation!
@@iTheRogueOne True, but seeing Ellie so sad is truly heart breaking. For me it was the saddest moment in the whole game.
Well I don’t think she went back to Jackson, at that point Dina resents Ellie for abandoning the family. I think she simply just went her own way. But honestly I really could be wrong, it’s ambiguous.
This game was such an emotional roller coaster! A damn Masterpiece! To anyone still having doubts....buy it, you won't regret it! :)
WRONG
I regretted it
Man I cried when watching walkthroughs
Yeah, I teared up several times while playing it! I just finished it a few hours ago and it feels so weird.... I want more!
Yeah the ending does not feel right I don’t know why
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So in the end when she's walking away, is she going to Jackson or wherever Dina is?
Yes, I guess she's going back to Jackson!
it's meant to be a question. the voice actor and director said they don't know and it's up to us to decide
Not gonna lie, when Ellie walked offscreen, I half expected to hear a gunshot sound effect. As if to imply that after her life completely went to Hell, after she lost everything she ever loved, she just decided to put herself out of her misery.
Note: I'm not saying I wanted that to happen, it's just that that is a typical way I've seen stories like this end, so much that's it basically a cliche now, so I just assumed that would happen here too
i wasn't the biggest fan of hulk female warrior or killing off the main character,
to quote Troy Baker "in a pornagraphic" way.
but this game when it came to a close pulled me in, and i loved it.
Can I cry?
Yeah, go ahead!
ellie loses 2 fingers is so annoying to me
She should’ve taken a smoker along she would’ve come back and Dina would be here duhhhh