Mass Mom Charged with Triple Murder Appears in Court
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2023
- A Massachusetts mom was arraigned from her hospital bed in the deaths of her three children. Lindsay Clancy is facing murder and assault charges after her daughter, Cora, 5, and her son Dawson, 3, were strangled Jan. 24 inside the family home in Duxbury, MA, investigators said. The youngest, 7-month-old Callan, died several days later.
Clancy attacked the baby before jumping from a second-floor window at the home, investigators said. Emergency responders found her and the children unconscious with obvious signs of trauma.
Clancy, a labor and delivery nurse at Massachusetts General Hospital, is believed to be suffering from postpartum depression and battling homicidal and suicidal thoughts due to overmedication of a variety of prescription drugs, her new defense attorney Kevin J. Reddington told the Boston Globe.
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The moment she mentioned wanting to do harm to her children, her alone time with them should have ended legally. Supervised forever.
ESPECIALLY with the father working from home wtf!! Could have easily prevented all of this and enforced it with an order ugh
That’s absolutely correct, at no time should she have been allowed to be alone with those children. If she wanted take out , You get it!
You are 100% right, her parental privilege to be alone with the kids ended second she said she was having thoughts of hurting herself and the kids. I still think that the dad that kept getting his wife pregnant then leaving 5 kids alone with her after she told him and the doctors she was having suicidal and homicidal thoughts should have been charged with child endangerment after she killed them all
@@jeanettebooker2500agreed.
“Do I need a lawyer?”
Chilling.
Perfect word to describe the effect that sentence had, truly chilling and wicked
I was having some compassion for her until I heard that, some how it shows that she is only concerned about her and only her selfish self. If at any point in my life I do go insane for a second and hurt my kids I don’t need a lawyer please burn me alive!!!!!
@Blanca Padilla I'm right here with you, I would be begging for oblivion.
@@1117blanc are you a professional mental health care provider? If you were you would know that su*cidal people show the highest tendency to commit the act when they start acting normal or happy. You heard the husband. This was her best day.
Narcissistic???
I am trying to say this in the most sympathetic/non-judgmental way.....while she may have been suffering from a mental health crisis which is something that cannot be controlled, could it not be argued that she did in fact have decision making capabilities? She waited until her husband was out of the house for long enough to do what she did? There would have to be some pre-planning involved? This is just sad all the way around and again while I am sympathetic to this individual and anyone suffering but there needs to be some accountablity. It definitely appears she knew what she was doing.
I agree with you, it very much could have been psychosis, could have been all the medications but it truly sounded like it was planned with her looking at the gps. So if she did plan this, she could have at any moment reached out to someone for help, she could have left the house herself.
I'm confused about this too. It seems some of the thoughts and decisions say she knew it was wrong, so how does that work?
I totally agree. I do believe she was under mental health duress, but she was using her journal to meticulously document her med intake and her emotions. She had been suicidal for months and even checked herself into the State Hospital Jan. 1st. To me, these are signs of self-awareness. I do believe it was pre-planned; but even so, she can still be found Not Guilt by Reason of Insanity (NGI). She is also permanently paralyzed, so regardless-she will live out a miserable and unfulfilled life due to her actions to take the lives of her loved ones & ruin her marriage. She will have no one to support her, but the physical therapists.
She had dangerous thoughts towards the kids and depression. She should have never been alone with the kids or she should of moved out until feeling good. Protect the kids is first priority.
@@JudicialMermaid checking herself into a state hospital should be evidence that she knew something wasn't right with her feelings and thinking. As tragic a situation as this is, I don't believe she's the heinous mother even I believed she was until I heard more of the story. Did you see all the meds she was on?
We have one amazing child but my wife suffered ENORMOUS postpartum depression. She had suicidal thoughts and a blood pressure well above 200/100.
She sought help and thank God the medication worked.
We NEVER wanted another child for multiple reasons.
Postpartum is VERY, VERY, VERY REAL and it's so sad this happened. It is a form of temporary insanity.
Thank you for sharing your story. We need more people speaking out about the reality of this. Theres such judgement behind mental illness. So glad your wife has healed from that horrible issue. As u said. Unfortunately meds dont work for many and often may make it worse.
Thank you for posting this. In our country we do not understand ppd very well, not like the UK.
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lucky for most people that they won’t experience a psychotic episode. people don’t seem to grasp it. they can, more often than not, last for weeks, months, and the longer it goes on the more dangerous it becomes.
she didn’t just have PPD, it full blown became postpartum psychosis.
I had PPD after having a miscarriage. I didn't even know that was possible. I was having such strong urges to hurt myself and others (it hurts to admit, but yes even my sweet, sweet children) It was so distressing all I could think about was ways to unalive myself just to make the intrusive thoughts stop. I begged my doctors to hospitalize me so I could stabilize in a safe environment. They wanted me to stay home and try different medications. I finally asked my mom to take me to the ER, where I told them I wanted to be committed. I am so glad I was sound enough in mind to do that, to know what I was feeling was very wrong, and I am so grateful to have recovered. This is a very sad case. I believe PPD is much more common than people realize, and it is very hard to talk about. There is nothing scarier than having visions of you doing things to yourself or others that you know, you dont want to do rationally. When I was in that state, I knew I wasn't myself. It felt like I was floating in a cloud and a spectator to my own life. It was the absolute worst few months of my life. I can only hope that sharing my experience in some way helps someone else, if at the very least brings some insight to PPD.
It hope your story does as well and thank you for sharing. I'm glad my ppd didn't get that bad to the point where I want to hurt my kids. I was just sad all the time and didn't know why. It happened with all 3 pregnancies. I hope you continue to get and stay well. ❤️
Except she didn't have ppd. She herself kept notes about how lucid she was so get off of it
Thank you for sharing your story. You are so brave!
I had the same and was hospitalised I feel for her and all the family
Thank you for speaking up about that experience. People have no understanding of the kind of state of being, as it’s rarely admitted to. People are so secretive about postpartum mental illness. We NEED to understand, but the circumstances when it comes to our attention are usually so horrific we seem to immediately condemn them, rather than educate ourselves. We need more people willing to share their stories. TY again
I’m thinking my first response in this situation would be more like, omg what have I done, please please tell me my children are alright. She obviously remembers what she did if her first question is do I need a lawyer. Just sounds so cold and heartless.
Of course she remembers what she did. No one said she didn’t remember what she did. Most people with significant mental health conditions remember situations and things that they did. It doesn’t nullify their conditions.
@@KellyCeleste you’re dodging the point, on purpose. Nice try.
How is this about HER being the victim? THE BABIES, the CHILDREN are the victims
Because people want to stan child murderers and can't comprehend how an attractive white woman could do this.. flip side it on a black woman or male and we have a totally different outcome. Sickening how people project too and say "it can happen to anyone!" No. It can't. PPD and PP Psychosis can happen to anyone but it not being the cause of MURDERING your children. Ughhh.
Because she's a narcissist.
Agreed 10000% now everyone is defending her as a victim. She is a cold blood evil child murderer
Children and her are all victims of the stupid doctors who gave her way too many drugs?!!!!
She was prescribed way too many drugs, and some were psychotropics)!
@@GodsChildrenOnEarth Nope. They actually said she was off most of them when she murdered her kids. Only on three or so. Two were Benadryl and Ativan. One is allergy and one is for anxiety. Only one or two were anti psychotics. That's not going to "put you into psychosis" or suddenly change your moral compass.
Absolutely no darn excuse
This case is so beyond heartbreaking. My thoughts and prayers are with her husband, family, and loved ones. Rest in peace Cora, Dawson, and Callan. 💗
Agreed. I understand mental illness. And honestly the defense attorney is correct. Medications tossed at you and if they doesn’t work (which many don’t) try another. It’s very difficult to find help no matter how good your insurance is or how much money you have. It’s also very difficult on the families involved. My sister who had great coverage and plenty of money took her life in 2019. Now we have my niece suffering mental illness. She is a wonderful young woman and well educated. Also care & rehab for paraplegia is very necessary. I have a brother who is a quadriplegic from a car accident. It’s a very hard life. My heart goes out to those children, her husband, herself and their family. I pray for all of them.
I think Dawson ran to his daddy’s office for protection. 😢 That “mother” deserves everything coming her way.
i agree definitely planned
My question was this comment is if you believe she deserves everything coming to her and she was a perfectly normal wife and mother and daughter and friend, and not to mention labor and delivery nurse for her entire life before this happened. and she was actively seeking mental health treatment for her postpartum psychosis. She had requested to go in inpatient, but they denied her. She was very open with her husband and her family, job and even on social media, she posted what she was experiencing online, being honest and looking for resources and support and she try to hide it, why anyone would think that it was planned or premeditated, most women that have postpartum psychosis don’t sleep they literally can have hallucinations and can’t tell when they’re awake or asleep and when they do happen to fall asleep, they can nightmares so a lot of them chose just not to sleep at all. There’s even been cases of mothers, having nightmares to the point where their older children will be physically attacking their youngest child in their dreams or hallucinations to the point that the mothers will their children’s faces distorted in their minds, so I can’t imagine there being a worst kind of hell then that. and then just wake up one day after working , functioning in society daily for her entire life, normally then for people to think she all of a sudden flipped a switch and became evil?!? She didn’t wake up one day evil and crazy, if your that evil to kill your 3 kids someone has been that a long, long time, they don’t wake up one day that way. And what the truth of the matter is is that our country & this world are far too preoccupied with meaningless crap and they do not take the seriousness and importance of women’s health during and after pregnancy as a priority, specially their mental health and until people do , things like this unbearable tragedy will not change.
@@lashley8569 I agree too, this was premeditated murder.
@@ashleyowens2183 Planned or not, she brutally murdered 3 innocent children and absolutely deserves to be punished. If her mental health was that bad, she should have gotten the hell away from those kids. There were plenty of other places she could have gone to until she got better. Instead, she sent her husband on a couple errands and IMMEDIATELY attacked. I do believe it was premeditated, and all of the comments remotely defending her are disgusting.
@@Taylor-xv4nm I agree with you 100%
I do not have an ounce of sympathy for her. She had so many resources that most mothers do not have and yet she still had the capacity to do this. If we take pity on her for her snap of “psychosis” then we should take pity on everyone who murders because I’m sure 90% of murderers have a sob story about why they did what they did. Those poor babies.
Exactly how I feel
Agree 💯
Her crystal ball must have been broken.
I agree 100 percent ..so sad ..so many women wants children and cannot have them and then ask for a lawyer after what she did ...R.I.P. little ones you are with our Father Jesus..
Brittany! 💯💯💯 ABSOLUTELY! I couldn't agree more! I even just wrote something similar! I don't understand everyone having so much sympathy and empathy for her! I just can't! Those babies are where my heart lies! And their father! My sympathy goes to them!
How the hell did we get to a place where criminals are treated better than victims???
Agreed. Unbelievable. It's one thing to be depressed or even crazy - but she's evil.
I agree with that!!! I wonder what this would look like if she was a single mother on state assistance??? SMH
She’s got that complexion for protection.
That's why I believe it called the criminal justice system. It is a system that treats criminals in a more just manner than it does victims who deserve more compassion. I hate it!
Always been that way, our constitution needs to address victim rights.
Do I.need an attorney??? She asked that question. Cares about HER needs, not the kids
Exactly! She cares more about her possible legal jeopardy than the very breath that was in her babies. This statement alone is so telling as to her state of mind. If she could understand that her ass was in legal trouble then she could understand that murdering babies was legally wrong (and of course, morally wrong).
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Probably someone narcissistic enough to murder three children. It's very unsettling. As is the mass outpouring of public support and resources that were given to her before people knew the details of the case and the crime.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 And if it were a man that did it? Would the support be the same? Just asking.
@@francesmcstay very true. I'm a mom of boys and I agree that men are harshly treated these days. Having said that, it is more shocking with the maternal one, the mother, murders her offspring. We aren't supposed to be wired that easy, our primary instinct post-birth is to protect the child. What on earth made her think this was even an option? And why did she send her husband away. Shows she knew he would stop her, so she hid away her intent- she knew what she was doing was wrong
My heart breaks so much for these kids and father .....
Those poor babies. The one person who is supposed to protect you.
I just can't wrap my brain around the image of a mother strangling her BABY with an exercise band. A BABY.
She’s absolutely going to do whatever it takes to end her life too. They will watch her but she will do it when people start to give her more freedom. This is so incredibly heartbreaking these precious babies
Why did she ask right away for a lawyer? If she were truly remorseful she’d be begging for the death penalty.
I agree
@L’esprit de l’escalier why do you say antipsychotics are horrific? They are often the ONLY thing standing between mentally ill people and death.
@L’esprit de l’escalier nonsense
@@lespritdelescalier4858 Not always my sister in law took them she seems to be fine.
I’ve watched true crime half my life and never have been as disturbed as I am listening to all this.. Those poor babies 💔
Me too. Can’t stop crying.😢
AMEN! Makes me sick she pre-planned this and husband is defending her!!! 🙄
@@valentina6429 same.. I actually cried too
@@jennijems7605 - 💕
I can finish watching its hard to listen or watching
That first lady did her homework! I was not expecting all that info ! That mother knew what she was doing....she needs to rot in jail.
Do you think she would be getting this very special treatment if she weren’t a wealthy white lady? Absolutely not. She killed her three children. She should be in pre trial detention.
A horrific tragedy from all angles and aspects. Rest In Peace to those poor innocent children and prayers to their father who's grief must be unbearable.
@H M I agree with you wholeheartedly that it's premeditated murder and pure evil. It's still tragic though for those kids, their father and the rest of the extended family and relatives who loved them.
Pray for the mother too - this isn’t her fault.
@@acc4465 whose fault is it then
Not her fault?? Are you kidding 🙄
@@sarcasticklutzwhatever causes delusions and hallucinations - to call this murder is asinine. It shows you how dumb we are.
Devastating case. Rest in Peace to those beautiful, innocent children.
This judge seems like a very fair man. Sending strength & love to all those involved!! ❤️🙏
He said its not humane to put a paraplegic in prison... its not humane to strangle three babies
What a tragic situation. Praying for this father. I can't imagine his pain. Breaks my heart.. Rest In Peace to these sweet 3 babies..This is horrific!! Praying for this mother as well.. sadddd
I agree. I’m praying for all of them including the mother. Very very sad.
I agree, i will pray for her too....
It isn't excuse for a mom to kill her kids...unfair to the innocent babies..this woman should go be in jail..
This is why it’s SO important Post partum depression is recognised and treated early 😢
Absolutely
As a nurse she is RESPONSIBLE for taking part in her medication issues...no excuses for killing her children!!
She was so articulate in her journal and internet searches she could have given the children to someone and checked herself in the hospital. She could have packed a bag and left the house...
Her internet searches shows such premeditation....and planning.....I hope she gets life without parole
I’m not defending her, but in some cases the extreme urge to end the children’s lives and then your life is extreme. It’s a hyper-fixation. On top of that - when in these states people can usually do basic everyday things while living with an extreme delusion. I’m not sure how this will go as she’ll need to be evaluated more by professionals
She needs to go to jail those babies are the victim not the mom
Asking "Do I need a lawyer?" Very lucid! The "psychosis" comes and goes
@@kimber411 some people comment like she didn’t do anything wrong cause she had a crazy min shock me this is a problem giving people excuses
I can't imagine the father's grief.😞
Unbelievable. He’s on another planet.
If only the dad knew that the mom was unsafe to be left alone with the poor kids.
He seems over it, asked public to forgive her like he has 😂 🤡
He only left her for a moment to go get food. What a nightmare.
@@brodyllc I thought the same exact thing actually! But then I thought maybe he's not the type to have any emotions.Why hasn't he spoke any at all? I think they should hear from him instead of 'the husband said' ...
After listening to the prosecutions statement, I’m leaning towards her planning these horrific murders. It sounds like she put together a journal/diary documenting every single move and thought she made. I think she did this in an attempt to make her appear to be struggling with a mental illness. Also, medication that is used to treat mental illnesses take some time before you start to see the effects of them. You can’t start one of these meds and the next day everything is sunshine and rainbows. It takes some time before you will notice the benefits. If she was on that many medications in that short amount of time, no wonder why they didn’t work, because the majority of those meds listed need more time to show positive signs for the patient. Was she jumping from doctor to doctor or just had one really stupid doctor? This mother was playing them? “Oh it’s not working, try something else” meanwhile she is documenting these prescriptions, every time the medication is switched. With these journal entries she is trying to make it look like she was crying out for help and nothing worked. My sister in law suffered from postpartum psychosis, she actually still has to be medicated even though my nephew (her son) is 21yrs old now. She wouldn’t have been able to keep a journal. Shortly after my nephew was born we noticed a major change in her behavior and I mean MAJOR. She would talk to someone who wasn’t there. This imaginary person or thing was named “Bear”. We don’t know if Bear would tell her to do something like hurt her son or herself or anyone for that matter. Because she did whatever Bear told her to do. If Bear told her tot put her wedding ring in the blue box in front of Target, then that is what she did. She told my brother she did this when he asked her where her ring was. It was like a puzzle we had to solve to find the ring. My brother put it together when driving around the Target parking lot. The “blue box” was the mailbox. My brother luckily got there just as the mailman did and explained the situation and sure enough, there was the loose ring inside the blue mailbox. She would wake up striking my brother screaming at him to get out of her bed, get out of her house and that she had no clue who he was. It broke our hearts to see such a wonderful, caring, funny and beautiful person disappear right before our eyes. I’d sit and talk with her and it was like she was looking right through me. She would tell me how much she loved me and that I should be strong and move on if something happened to her. Like she wanted to kill herself. Her mother had to lock herself in the bathroom with my nephew and call 911, because she did lash out one time and was trying to attack both of them. She would also wake up in the middle of the night and takeoff running through the woods and just her PJs and no shoes and my brother would run after her or try and find her and when he did, she would be all cut up from running through thorn bushes And what not. There is no possible way that she would’ve been able to do anything like keep a journal of her day-to-day activities no way in hell should I hear this woman had made this journal, I didn’t believe a fraction of it. I’m not a doctor and I’m not a psychiatrist. I know this, but I have witnessed a loved one that actually did suffer from postpartum psychosis and hearing about this case I call bullshit. In closing I apologize for the novel sized comment.
I agree with you that Lindsay Clancy was NOT suffering from post partum psychosis. When a person is in psychosis, they are in a completely different world. Nobody in psychosis could run errands, keep a journal, or drive a car.
No two cases of anything are ever the same, especially when it comes to mental health. It is rather ridiculous to try to compare the two. I am not taking a stand here because I do not know her nor have I followed this case. I am merely pointing out a medical fact.
You don't know, walk a mile in her shoes. I believe her. This needs more attention. This will happen again. Remember, she jumped from a window to kill herself. God help her and her family.
@@pitbull1026Lol she jumped from a second floor window to make it “look” like she tried to kill herself. She knew she’d survive. Of all the ways she could’ve died for sure, she picked a short fall with a few broken bones. Get your IQ checked please.
I agree with you..she didn't even give the medicines a chance and premeditated the whole thing..people srr being fooled by her smiling pictures but we should know that a lot of times people don't know her..regardless she strangled those babies which takes forever to kill someone that way hence why she wanted her husband gone for a long time..she's clearly not right in the head but regardless if people believe her she murdered her children and unfortunately they're the ones who aren't hear and didn't deserve this..I'm so angry for those kids
She planned it. By all accounts, she was acting completely normal all day. If she was that overmedicated, wouldn’t there have been signs? Her husband said it was one of her best days. She never used the word psychosis until after the fact. She sent him on a long errand and even timed it. She strangled them ALL, which I don’t know if everyone realizes how long it takes the strangle someone to death- you have to commit for over 4-5 minutes. That is a LONG time to squeeze. And she did it to ALL THREE CHILDREN. And then made a half-assed attempt on her life. Her husband finds her, and she tells him exactly where the kids are. She knew what she had done. The first thing she asks for when she wakes up is a lawyer. 🙄 If I had had a psychotic break and killed my all of my children, I’d be begging for the death penalty. I get that PPD and PPP are real but this was clearly premeditated. We all want to be compassionate to Lindsay but let’s not forget that three innocent children were slaughtered by fear and betrayal just as much as their mother’s claws.
Imo she was probably concealing it. She never revealed any "weakness" again after her time away in psych treatment. Post partum psychosis can induce a disturbing paranoia and that may have been why she left those thoughts even out of her diary. But it meant no one could help or stop this, and that's cruel.
You laid it out well, OP.
I agree. It seems premeditated. I pray for healing for the whole family especially the father.
I agree 💯 Haley
Psychosis is crazy. They can act “normal” but still be in psychosis. It’s quite literally unexplainable sometimes. And it could happen to any of us at any age and without any known cause.
The joy of you never being able to.walk again brings smiles all around
I don’t expect attorneys to be aware of this, but all mental health providers (myself included) are aware that a client is at the highest risk for committing suicide when they’re actually improving and feeling less depressed. This is because the person has more energy and has more of a capability of mobilizing themselves and taking action towards suicide.
I would have never thought this? That is super scary, why am I just learning this from you. There needs to be more information and transparency of AWARENESS. Thank you.
@@kumib5125 I agree. Mental health has been stigmatized for so long that our society has failed to educate people. I firmly believe that our school boards need to create and offer students classes on identifying and expressing feeling, what are symptoms of anxiety and depression, education regarding clinical disorders and personality disorders, groups discussing relationships and how we tend to re-create the dynamics of relationships we see in our family of origin, and I firmly believe that high schools should offer coursework on parenting and what constitutes a healthy relationship/marriage versus an unhealthy relationship/marriage. Maybe one day…
She needs to fry. Period.
@@justinepaula-robilliard It was the insurance carrier that denied her care, not the state/government. It wold be nice if our healthcare system was revamped but I don’t see our politicians doing that anytime soon. Also, for us mental health providers on here, please show a little respect and please refrain from referring to us as “idiots.” I work a ton of hours and despite that, can still barely survive financially and pay my bills and just so I can be of service to others. We choose to work in this profession because we care about others and society and we often sacrifice our own well-being, financial stability, and work-life balance to do so. To be called an “idiot” just adds insult to injury.
I always thought that improvement just before someone commits suicide was because they had now a solid plan to go ahead knowing exactly how they will do it and almost go around seeing people as a way of saying goodbye. People think they are fine and seem happier than they have been and are less concerned about them .. then bam they are gone and no one sees it coming. It’s so common for a suicidal person to seem happier before they enact their plan to end things.
The mother knew what she was doing, I don’t care what they say… she killed 3 innocent angels RiP
She deserves the same humanity she showed her own children. If she expects strangers to be more kind to her than she was to her own flesh and blood she's sadly mistaken.
Exactly
I agree I hope she doesn't get away with these horrific murders by trying to label herself.
She IS a victim: of her own body and mind. Why would she do this if she wasn't truly "sick"? She's never been a criminal before in her life. She should never have been allowed to be with the children after telling her husband and doctors about her dark thoughts.
Speak for yourself
I'm a Mental Health RN, don't know what medication she was taking ,but many antipsychotics and anti depressants,can have this secundary, effects of aggression, psychotic episodes,suicide etc. So it will be necessary to study the case under this premises.
I was on wellbrutrin, Haldol and Prozac and never thought of harming my children, the things she did leading up to the murder debunked the playing crazy thing so there's nooo excuse what a great prosecutor, now give this monster the death penalty, you people kill me with trying to sympathize with cold killers because they're from the suburbs of white America, well in 2023 u got prosecutors like this lovely lady that says otherwise.
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They gave her every drug in the narcotics locker. Then they said she was doing well. You can't believe the patient when they say they feel ok when they are on all that dope.
@@savetrump9120 narcotics? These were not opioids; however are probably CII (controlled schedule 2 drugs) anti-psychotics. Either way, what an awful situation.
And if he has temporal lobule ijnury she reacted as epileptic.
@@savetrump9120 Mental patients on anti psychotics and anti depressants medication,can have a wide array of behaviors,some predictible,but mostly unpredictable,never trust appearances because they can change in any minute. Many people committed suicide while taking anti depressants,this drugs are not safe and/or reliable at all.
If she didn’t feel good on the medication she as A NURSE knows to consult her dr!!!!! This is heartbreaking
Thank u Gabriela
All she did was consult her dr gabriella
Drs and nurses are the worst type of patients.
If your mind is altered, one cannot think clearly at all.
@@sandraguthrie276 she had the most resources. There is no excuse.
I believe that both can be true- you can premeditate something like this but also not be in the right mental state. Andrea Yates had everyone fooled that she was fine. That’s part of the psychosis. It can make you lie about your state of mind, to get you what you need. Alone, to get whatever job done the voices are telling you get done. It’s happened over and over again. Not just postpartum psychosis but mental illness in general is still a huge issue. It’s a rock and a hard place. A very gray area unfortunately.
Andres Yates didn't have everyone fooled she knew she was sick. I don't understand why her husband kept getting her pregnant knowing the outcome with each birth.
Is anyone who takes another life ever in the right mental state though? What’s the differences?
@@veronicalynn9756 ok, “fine” is a strong word. I meant she never expressed her thoughts of her wanting to harm her children to him from what I recall. She pretended to be a happy mother and then she killed them.
@@LMarie_ probably not. That’s why it’s a gray area. I sympathize with mental health struggles but it’s not a get out of jail feee card if you kill someone. I don’t just sympathize with postpartum mothers, there have been other murders I have a slight moment of “this is mental illness, not pure evil & I can see how this happened or where it went wrong & I am sympathetic to the situation because this person has mental illness ” and I feel odd slightly sympathizing with these people that had untreated illness, weren’t treated properly,….. But also I’m human, I try to look at all aspects & it’s just a loose loose.
But yeah I agree. Tons of killings are mental health related. So I don’t understand the cries of “let her off the hook. Pay for her defense because It’s postpartum psychosis” Ok, then sympathize with the father who snapped due to stress related mental health issues, the man/woman who struggled with mental health his/her entire life and decided to kidnap someone and kill them because the voices said so… It is one in the same. She deserves punishment in some form.She’s a danger to society as much as the consciously aware killer. I’m just saying that it can be premeditated and mental health at the same time. Premeditation doesn’t automatically rule out mental health/psychotic breaks. The illness lies to you and you lie about the illness in turn lie to everyone else because you don’t want to think you are capable of being a murderer, you don’t want the stigma because there are moments of clarity, etc. and people aren’t being treated properly. Then things like this happen & maybe it could’ve been prevented with better mental health treatment. But it happened. I feel terrible for the father. Those babies had their entire life ahead of them & one by one, she killed them. I sympathize with the struggles she endured but she still deserves consequences.
@@whitneynicole4748 said perfectly!
Shows premeditation and a normal demeanor and awareness leading up to crime . She’s toast ,in my eyes.
EXACTLY 💯 💯
I agree.
Yup !
Thank you! She went into a lot of thought down to the time it would take her to do this and how long she needed her husband to be gone. She has no remorse, no empathy. And for her first words to be do I need an attorney? Instead of asking about her kids is just disgusting! I take back my sympathy for her! She needs to be in jail for what she did.
After watching this, I completely agree with you!
My God, I could not continue listening. This is just unspeakable. Cannot listen to what happened to these poor little kids. 😢
Fron my heart as a wife, mom and grandmother, I offer my sincere condolences and prayers for all involved. Especially the father. I can't even bare the thought.
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I can't speak on PPD, I never had it. My issue is that if this was a man with a mental illness, he would be thrown into jail quickly and swiftly. My other issue with this is that she plead not guilty. If I killed my babies after I went completely batshit crazy, I would be filled with so much guilt that I couldn't plead anything but that..and clearly she is thinking straight enough when her first thought is if she needs an attorney. The bottom line is that anyone who kills another human being clearly has some sort of mental illness, and we can't just allow some people to be excused, while others are not.
Right? What about serial killers, some have mental illness but get life or executed ? Why is Lindsey any different? I felt sympathy at first but now I think she should get the electric chair.
I agree. Wether she had mental illness or not. As the prosecutor stated, the day she committed the murders she was conscious enough to order food and conversate well with her husband. The moment she’s left alone for 25-30 mins that’s when she takes action. Then attempts or tries to take her own life but fails. Then later asks for a lawyer.??? Compare this case to the Carol case on Hulu, now that women literally had postpartum pychosis she was hysterical for weeks and stabbed her 3 children to death then proceeded to take her own life the same way. She was left alone most of the time to take care of her toddlers and never harmed them until her mental illness took the best of her. 😢very sad either way. I’ll be waiting for more information to come out.
@Outdoor Outpost Agree, when I first heard of this, I felt so sad for the mother because it was presented that she was in a state of full blown psychosis, but clearly this is not true at all. She's a murderer.
Great points! Your first point is so perfectly spot on. Imagine this comment section if it was the father who did this? Lol, wouldnt be "rip little babies, and i hope she gets the treatment she needs as well"! The last part would be "and i hope they put that wild dog down!".
Men do not give birth so PPP isn’t going to happen. A psychotic break can happen within seconds, regardless is she had a good day.
My heart goes out to the husband….for him to for give her after all of this and be understanding, what a man. ❤
It’s normal in the beginning but eventually he will divorce her and walk away. I’ve seen this before with the Houston Andrea Yates case.
Ummm sounds like he’s testifying against her
@@kaitdrollinger7978 I hope so!!!!
@@kaitdrollinger7978 - If he is subpoenaed by the court then he has no choice but to testify for the prosecution. Both the defence and prosecution would likely call him as a witness in a case like this.
He's a fool.I wouldn't forgive her.
She purposely waited until the husband went to get food.
I don't know if she was under medication, but many people do not realize that the so-called psychotic medications for depression are actually very dangerous and cause problems like hearing voices happen to a family member
💯!! …I believe the psychiatric drug companies need to be on trial!
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She’s a nurse
Woah I was unaware at how premeditated this was going to look 😳 god speed to the judge and jury for a swift path to justice and some closure for the family and poor Dad…I hope this Mother gets the help she needs while she’s got the resources.
I don't feel for her what she did 😡😡😡😡
Same here
Deepest condolences to all who love these sweet little ones. So tragic. 💞Sending love from Kansas.
Also sending 💞 from Louisiana.
Omg I can’t imagine this family’s pain and sorrow! It has to be so unbearable 😭😭😭
R.I.P. sweet Angel’s 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
This man is trying to make us feel bad for her that she tried to kill herself and ending up paralyzed, yeah good luck with that.
Regardless of how you feel about the mother and regardless of what you believe was the motivation or reason for this crime... can we all just agree that this incident is horrifically tragic. Those poor kids, thinking about what they went through makes me sick to my stomach. I just pray that they passed out or went unconscious quickly during the strangling. It can take 5 minutes to strangle someone to death, God I hope they weren't conscious for those 5 minutes....
Me, too. What a horrific thought.
This is heartbreaking. For everyone. Pray for the family.
Praying is gonna do anything? Lol
@@andresmattos7541 Let pepole pray.
@@alyngrace123 I'm praying people stop stanning a child murderer.
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I don’t think they understand… it’s not that she was out of her mind in a way that she couldn’t read or write or articulate things. Post partum sends the brain into a deep dark place. You feel like a zombie inside because there are no words to express what that feeling is. I went through ppd after my second child. I would cry in the shower so no one could see me because I was ashamed to be thinking the things I was thinking or feeling. I worked as if nothing was wrong but inside I felt my skin was crawling I felt I wanted to jump in front of a car I couldn’t get far away enough from my own self or feelings or non feelings. It’s absolutely horrific to feel that way. Look how beautiful her family was how loving she was to them following up to this… her actions and non emotional response to what she’s done shows just how out of touch with reality or her emotions she is. So many women suffer in silence as I did. People don’t realize what changes all of these medication causes in the brain. To keep switching her and combining them! She was journaling probably as a way to keep herself in check on some level. She spoke out for help they kept shoving medication down her throat and sending her home. The system failed her as they do sooooo many. She needs to be treated for her Illness and spend her days in an institution as she will hate herself for this the rest of her life when reality finally sets in.
Agree
I feel this prosecuter quite judgey..
@@deecee901 yes but after I just learned way more about this I’m starting to change my opinion
But does PPD excuse premeditated murder? I get it but…the kids were essentially in danger. Yes, mental health system sucks. Father was usually there, worked from home. Seems many catch-alls failed like that. Does not erase the fact that she ended their lives that day while many struggling mothers don’t. She hospitalized herself once before so why didn’t she do that here? That appears lucid enough to me, if you’re able to say “I have a problem.” I’m sorry…this just doesn’t add up. 🤷♀️
I was on many of those meds at one point in my life. They do make u feel like a zombie. No feelings, dead inside and just numb. I decided to get off of it and just cry it out until I couldn't cry anymore during each pysch episode. Many of those meds are worse than not being treated.
These medications also saves lives, like mine. Yes I went Thu a dozen but once on the right one. Life is so much better.
I am sorry you went through that experience; the worst ones for me when getting off were Lexapro and now on Prozac. Zoloft helped in the beginning, then stopped working.
Over the holidays, I got off Lexapro slowly; it was one of my worst experiences. I put my family through a lot during that time.
@@dahliajames5292 I actually did well on Lexapro but my ins wouldn't cover it. I was able to get some office samples for about 2mos and then they switched me drastic change. Idk who in their right mind thought insurance companies knew more about ones condition than the actual prescribing Dr to not cover a medication. I blame insurance companies for many deaths, mental issues increasing in society amongst other things. They made the medical system here a business instead of what it's meant to be, saving lives.
I had that same numb feeling too after taking a meditation prescribed for postpartum symptoms. After taking it for a few weeks I remember one day while strolling my baby to the park I had this sudden overwhelming urge to scream. I mean scream like a crazy person for no good reason. I didn’t but I had to suppress and fight the urge with all my might. It scared me so bad that I turned around went straight home and called my doctor. He was alarmed too and told me to stop the medication immediately. My doctor took it very seriously and I’m glad he did. I never told my husband about it because I was too scared and embarrassed. Society makes us feel so bad about this kind of illness that we often hide it from our family. I only told my doctor. I recovered thank God. This woman seemed to reach out to everyone but it failed. So heartbreaking all the way around. 💔
@@belami_irl8543 I agree, Drs failed her. She should have been admitted.
Idk how this poor man continues to live. His mind must be broken, along with heart and soul. I cant imagine seeing what he saw and living through what he has.
her atty is worth every cent. he very calmly made his point, branched out into her character and current mental and medical situation and was granted the bail for his client in a triple murder case. he’s very, very good at his job.
I can't imagine the gut wrenching pain the father is feeling this is his wife that murdered his children he shouldn't have to b going thru this sending prayers to him and all the family on both sides 🙏
I was sympathetic to her, until more came out to light. What I found to be very off putting was her asking for a lawyer after she woke up. It wasn't right away, but honestly why ask for one at all. Why is that even in your mind after finding out you've murdered your kids. You know what you did and still wanted to be protected. Just disgusting.
I don’t know about you guys but we used to jump from the second story just for fun as kids. I don’t think she was making a genuine attempt on her life. She just wanted the kids gone.
Exactly my thoughts...
Her jump from the 2nd floor as a “suicide attempt” made me understand she’s at the very least a malignant narcissist, as she believes we’re all stupid and will fall for it. She’d be right, most people are stupid but I knew she was guilty as soon as I heard that was her “suicide attempt”.
Think about it this way, she knew that in order to kill get children, she had to constrict their airway long enough to cut off their oxygen to the brain. As a nurse, she knows that to ensure death, there needs to be constriction of the airway, significant blood loss, or internal injury to vital organs. One of the three.
A jump from a relatively low height does not ensure death. It’s actually the opposite, she wanted to make sure she survived.
I have sympathy for people suffering from mental health issues but none for anyone heinous enough to harm children. She had enough decision making power to plan their killings this wasn’t a spur of the moment “psychosis” and there were way too many options besides this. I hope she has to pay for such actions rather than claim sickness. If they let her off there will be no time before people with depression and the like are able to get away with murder
This is what doesn’t make sense to me. Everyone is rushing to support and defend her, but unless they also strangled their children to death because of ppd, then they cannot possibly relate to this woman. Many mothers experience ppd, but only an extremely small number intentionally murder their children. You just have to ask yourself, if I’m having homicidal ideations involving my children, could I actually imagine myself carrying out their demise? And if so, do I love them enough to remove myself until I’m better, or do I stick around, effectively putting their lives at risk. She shouldn’t be touted as the poster child for ppd and used as proof of how dangerous an illness it is. She, just like Andrea Yates, only loved her children so much, but not enough to save their lives. She clearly didn’t have the maternal instinct that kicks in after giving birth, the one that when you first see your baby you realize you would sacrifice your life for them.
@@kaorii10 my thoughts exactly, well said! I’m absolutely not understanding these peoples attempts to make her some sort of poster child for ppd when this is an entirely different experience than most mothers describe. I have seen mothers completely detach from their children but it takes a monster to kill
@@brehjones3573it’s cuz she’s white!!
My Heart 💔 breaks for the husband! So terrible 🙏
Women are expected to bear( 3 ) children and continue to work outside the home. It’s an impossible situation. It drains her of energy and promotes anxiety and depression.
No one is making anyone have children. Why do people keep having children they can’t manage or don’t want?
@@therenia22 Or can't afford???
How could a nurse who was acting so competent believe an adult would be killed jumping from a two story window? I don't think she was planning to die herself.
She needs to go to Jail, and get medical care through the system.... Anyone is mental that dose something so henious, but it is still criminal
Absolutely. Psychotic, PPD is one thing. Evil is another.
No reason she shouldn't go to Shattuck. They have hard working nurses and doctors too. DPH oversees that facility like every other.
yes 100 percent.
Why should she get the best of medical care when there are those who follow the law who cannot even get decent care!?!?!?
It sounds like she did not allow anyone to know whatever disturbed thoughts she was having, making it impossible for them to intervene. And that in itself is calculated.
The father needs to Sue her doctors!! Who allows a mom to care for her kids when it's been expressed and implied that she wanted to end her life? The CHILDREN are victims not only by their mother but by her DOCTORS! Giving someone's PILLS and says let me know how you feel is the sentence that was given to the kids. There needs to be change here!! These methods DON'T WORK!
And if the father killed his 3 kids, id bet anything you wouldn't give a flying F what meds his Drs did or didnt prescribe.
Youd say burn him! Lol
As a patient, she had every right and opportunity to refuse the drugs prescribed to her and seek treatment that is drug free. Doctors cannot force a patient to take drugs. She also was well aware that drugs alter the mind, and potentially, in a negative way. If she really was hearing voices as she claims, she should have checked into a hospital immediately since antidepressants can cause hallucinations. She knew what she was doing was illegal. She knew how devastating her husband would feel when he got home and found his dead kids. She clearly did not care. The death of her kids occured cuz she no longer wanted to be a mom.
@@julial3325 while i fundamentally agree with what youre getting at, penalty wise due to the horrific way innocent kids were straight up strangled. Dying a frightening and terrible death, and knowing there own mom was killing them. I understand and tend to agree with why you dont have much if any sympathy for her. However, i dont believe she was quite as "with it" in the ways you believe she was. I agree because i dont really think her mental state mitigates the destruction, pain and death that she brought with her (literally) own 2 hands.
I can’t even watch this case. I feel so bad for the father, the judge and everyone who has had to deal with this. How very sad.
I bet you did watch it
If I were the husband I wouldn’t be able to look at her much less take full care of her… She should of walked away but she chose to stay & plan murder as well as organise for her husband to be away giving her time to carry her plan through. Despicable
Agreed. I have a hard time with the Go Fund me, he said he is using it for lawyers. Idk. It makes me sick.
The husband knew she was on medication and mentally unstable so why couldn’t he get someone to watch the kids! Instead leaves her alone? This has happened before and the same scenario the husband leaves poor children left to get murdered!!
@@moriA503 he left for 25 mins
@@Beachbucket seriously? Where is this gofundme? Nevermind-I found it.
@@moriA503 you are really blaming the husband right now? Lol you need help
This is absolutely heartbreaking.
I can’t say if she consciously and in a clear state of mind did this, or if she was experiencing various levels of psychosis based on mental illness and/or medicinal influence.
Either is possible.
I hope the truth comes out, and she gets the treatment she needs.
She is paralyzed and will likely remain that way so she has the rest of her life to suffer with the results or her actions.
I hope the father seeks professional help and therapy.
I can’t imagine.
Wow I didn't know she was paralyzed so awful, mental psychosis is a real thing I've seen it up close, PEOPLE think how could she do such a thing she's evil ,Not realizing that when in a psychotic state of mind ,you are absolutely out of your mind not yourself paranoid and capable of harm to self or anyone
I didn’t realize she paralyzed herself. I hate that people can wear masks and hide their face.
Well her exact words to her husband was she had a moment of psychosis which to me makes no sense
Considering what she documented in her own diary saying how she felt her older kids were in the way of her giving all her love and attention to her youngest baby to me none of this makes any sense then she pre plans the murder timing how long it will take her husband to go get food to strangle her kids idk something seems very off to me
@@alisha8586 It is odd she seems so lucid. Yates completely decompensated immediately, as did the woman who cut the arms. I am wondering if she is an ultra rare female family annihilator. If she paralyzed herself, it seems she did try to kill herself. Horrifying.
Horrific !! 😢 RIP to the children and father. Heart breaking event
Why is she any better than any other person that committed murder? And why does she get the “best” care???
Maybe she will get out and they can confine her to the basement where she killed her babies!!!
Wow what a world we live in
Who is the guy behind the screen? The pain on his face is unbearable. Bless them xx
I’m wondering this too.. 🤷🏼♀️
Yes!!! 🤨
It is not for any of us to stand in judgment despite the horrendous loss of three innocents. We don’t know really how these drugs alter the brain. Especially stops and starts like they did. I pray for all of them and their families
What a great prosecutor
Yup. Facts that we care about.
The defence council so pathetic.
This sound like an horror movie!
Blaming mental health issues!
May these babies Rest In Peace!
How can a mother be so evil to kill such beautiful children.
She sure looks comfortable in that hospital bed.
She's thinking, "I wonder if they'll have that strawberry jello with lunch again?"
Humanity was ruled out when she squeezed the life out of the children she gave life to. End of story.
Exactly. All three of them. That’s about 15 full minutes of holding them down and squeezing the life out of them. I’m sure they struggled and cried. They died terrified and betrayed. This woman deserves life in prison.
Yes!
Why don’t you do some research on postpartum psychosis?! This woman reached out she was getting help she needed more and her insurance denied it! They would have had to pay thousands of dollars for her inpatient treatment!! This is true definition of a mother who was failed and now her children were failed
@Mrs. Bermudez It's very clear she did not get the help she needed and she should have been separated from those children.
@@Girlmom4her hubs should’ve footed the bill then smh no excuse he could’ve fought for ins. To reimburse him afterwards 🙄
Who is the young man in the background. He looks sad and disgusted.
If you are depressed .and I suffer with it .I wouldn't take another life . Just my own . And it's hard . But taking other lives is evil
Exactly my husband took his life Noone elses.
Another question I ponder is if it was a mental break or psychosis whatever why the need to throw yourself out the window an ask if you need an attorney?that takes thoughtful decision making not someone with a breakdown
Boom!
And further proof she knows what she was doing, she tried killing her self knowing she will be in trouble so that she can plea insanity.
This is deplorable she killed three children she was a nurse she knew what to do if she was suffering she had so much support around her why didn’t she reach out
Why did her attorney feel the need to compare the hospital to “something out of Iran?” 🥴
Maybe he was saying the hospital was third world with poor standards?? IDK but it’s a bit bizarre??
Racists
She wouldn't make it to the hospital there! They would "non alive" her!
He has to be dramatic!
It's overseen by DPH and every other regulatory agency- It's 100% appropriate for her.
But she's a wealthy woman now through GoFundMe- so she'll go to posh Spaulding Rehab and get the best care afforded to her. Unbelievable.
Very compassionate judge to this situation
I was thinking the same thing; as well as the defense attorney.
I suffered from Postpartum Depression before it was discussed openly. The depression is dark and deep and real. What occurred is a tragedy, but I do think she needs to be in a mental health facility and not in a jail cell.
Nonsense
She was not diagnosed with PPD, PPP, schizophrenia nor having hallucinations or hearing voices!!! She had a diagnosis of GAD (general anxiety disorder)!
Linsday seems to have brain injury of Temporal lobule is call epilepsia with compulsive acting outs, they must take a cerebral scan and also an EEG.
All she needs is a shovel
@@alyngrace123 yeah because you're her doctor not her actual doctors who said there is nothing wrong with her.
This is so sad and heartbreaking 💔
So very sad. Poor Dad having to deal with this, if you are having problems get help let someone take the kids don't kill them. Heartbreaking 💜❤️💙
Postpartum depression is no joke, but being a nurse she should have sought help when the meds weren’t working correctly.
But she did try to get help
@@hollyolsen6246 for some reason I feel sorry for lindsay. U could tell from pics that she loved these kids. I don't get it.
She did. Did you not watch the video?
@@verucasalty5 I don’t understand some of these comments 🤔 apparently they did not listen very well! This woman was getting help and wanted to go inpatient in which her insurance DENIED meaning she would have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars for her husband even was working from home so she could get more help with the children! This mother was failed tremendously and because of that there is now this awful tragedy 😢 I do not condone what has happened but people should research postpartum psychosis before passing judgement and also realize that it could happen to anybody 😢
@@Girlmom4 💯
Not one tear .
I'm sorry. But who is going to write letters for the children...... Absolutely unbelievable...
She stated to her husband she had thoughts of killing the kid’s-🤷♀️
And clearly he ignored that. But that's OK, he forgave her for it. What a simp! 🤮🙄 Those poor children being stuck with these two, ugh.
@@tamarevans9025 I think he might change his tune one the shock wears off and reality sets it…
@Jumping Ranger AFTER he gets his GFM $. 🙄
I can’t imagine the grief and sorrow of this family are going through right now. Pray for the family. Rest in peace little angels. And pray that the mother will get the right treatment as well.
The right treatment for her is in an electric chair, and nowhere else.
She will suffer knowing what she did.
No she doesn't deserve any sympathy, you wouldn't sympathise with a serial killer
Ew don’t pray for her. She should burn in hell 🔥
I’ve worked as a nurse in both OBGYN and Perinatal Mental Health. I’ve worked with patients suffering from both PPD and Postpartum Psychosis……and this is fishy to me. Something just seems off with this.
What’s fishy? 😅
As a women who lived with PPD, I resent this. She planned it and carried it out. Most of us that have this issue, would never hurt our children. Never. This is well past PPD
This is most likely post partum psychosis
Just plain depressingly sad, I don't understand it.
Sounds like she was clear, cold, calculated.
WHY CAN'T I FOCUS!! THE GUY IN THE CORNER GOT ME DISTRACTED WITH HIS FACIAL EXPRESSION AND HIS FOTT ISSUES LOL