That same grinding happened to my dcf961. I got it warrantied through MAC tools then about a month later the 2nd one I’ve owned did it again while trying to remove inch and a half Bud wheel lug nuts… I think when you push these tools to their limit they break except for the DCF 900. You can straight up abuse the DCF 900 and it almost will never break.
I have 3 DCF900’s. Two broke the anvils and one went completely dead. I’m guessing the board went bad. All 3 were warrantied, so no worries, but I expected them to handle more abuse than they do.
the big issue with the titan is that higher density cells equal less max current output. A 30a 18650 is generaly rated around 2500mah while a 10a will be more like 4000mah. that impact needs high current
Basically any tool needs moar current for more performance so the Titan DW batteries will be a fail in anything save for maybe lights and fans; but in any event not worth the price. If the 2Ah genuine DW is outperforming the 4Ah Titan...that's a bad sign. Titan should be well aware of the current requirements and favourability of cells for power tools, not just jam in whatever to get a higher capacity number when the cells are not appropriate for power tools. There was a recent reddit post where some clueless guy had nearly the same idea..."why can't I rebuild this 5Ah DW and make it into 10Ah! Hurr durr!" lol. That's the kind of thing you'd expect from a clueless Joe that has no idea about batteries, but some commercial company making batteries (and premium price ones at that) should def. know better.
Honestly, I don't see it as an issue. Just more of a problem with marketing. The people that will use those batteries aren't gonna be throwing them on their impact wrenchs. They will throw them on a lightweight impact driver, a battery draining angle grinder, an endurance killing leaf blower, or something of the sort. I think most people would love to be able to throw something on the size of a 2ah and have it last more than 15 seconds on their angle grinder.
Yep, thats the case even the specs sheet at 9:02, show the max discharge current is 8A of the cell used in the Titan batteries and thats a big problem the normal cells used in DW pack are inr18650-25r with a much higher amp discharge value 20 amps, more than the double, yikes! Even a chep knockoff could beat those titan packs.
My DCF961 made the same noise. Took it apart and found the gear reduction teeth on the larger diameter gears to have damaged teeth. My Mac truck sent it in and apparently those gears are backordered. Posted a video showing the noise almost 2 months ago. Still haven't received my tool.
Got this off my Mac truck a few weeks ago. Diesel tech here. Been using it everyday to take lug nuts off. Hasn’t failed me yet. It does like to eat batteries though.
As much energy as that's taking, can't say I'm surprised. You'd have to have what, a 6 foot breaker bar with 200 lbs a the end to match this torque? Though I suppose if you're adding gravity and jumping on the end you /could/ get higher. But that's not nearly as compact, or fast 😂
I work in maintenance at a power plant and this channel has lead me to purchase many of these high performance tools. We run mainly DEWALT where we now have the atomic 1/2”, newest 1/2” mid torque, and now the 964. It’s honestly amazing the punch these tools offer for the size. Thank you TTC for testing these tools.
It is a beast. I personally didn't think it was that much of a handful and I did put my 9 amp flexvolt on it and I'm not built like Eddie Hall or Thor.
I got the DCF 900 and it absolutely has no problems doing any mechanical work in terms of taking off the bolts or lug nuts. I didn’t even consider the 961, and now this? Wow!
I had high hopes for the USA batteries. I hope Titan sees this and incorporates it as feedback into their product development, it would be pretty cool to see competitive USA-made packs.
I think it means they just need to market them better. Market them for saws, angle grinders, routers, etc, not impacts. So many tools could use more density rather than draw rates, but impacts are one of the few exceptions to that.
Mostly use my 1/2" impact as a lug nut remover/installer at home, where the socket-weld is real. Can't imagine wanting to use something even stronger ... but my impact sockets are likely junk quality. Either that or I haven't yet found a car manufacturer that uses accurate lug nut sizes and the slop contributes to the issue. Shame about the Titans, from my perspective. Especially for buyers, who surely bought them because of the FLAG plastered all over them. Like a lot of users I do my best to avoid buying batteries outright, waiting for a sale on a new tool/free batt combo of some kind. Great time of year for that.
The titan batteries makes sense somewhat. rechargeable batteries always have a tradeoff between energy density and discharge rate (often measured in C, 1C means you can drain the thing in an hour safely, 2C means you could do it in half an hour. Stuff you might find in quadcopters can be as high as 10-15C sometimes). If the discharge rate isn't there, you can get a lot power, just not enough of it at once to feed the tool. And given that Titan is focused on high energy density batteries, it makes sense that it wouldn't perform well with this BEAST of a tool
Well if they're here to friendshore power tool batteries, another option is Molicel cells - Taiwanese company with facilities in British Columbia, Canada. I have 5 of their P28As on hand intending to build a 2Ah form factor Dewalt battery with. Those are rated 35A discharge iirc. The shell, for me, could come from China, but Titan can certainly try to arrange to make them in the US. Molicel has since upped the 18650s to 3Ah and has 21700s that do 5Ah at 10C.
Last good/big brand cell manufacturer to make cells in [North] America was Molicel who used to produce cells in Canada, but I don't think they do any longer. Apart from that you have Tesla-Panasonic's 21700s coming out of the Gigafactory but don't think they sell those in qty for other manufacturers to order/use (i.e. use outside vehicles). This Amprius here doesn't seem to really be any better than 3rd rate China cells, but with a much higher price--a bit disappointing TBH.
As an electrical engineer I love geeking out over the battery tech! This impact is a monster and my wallet is happy I don't do heavy equipment work to need anything bigger than my Hercules Ultra torque. By the way, hope you feel better soon torque, sounding a little sick in this one.
I’m not a fan either. Never had a problem with Milwaukee warranty, even without a receipt. DeWalt requires a receipt and I submitted a reciprocating saw (lock pin for the blade wore out) to their repair center 8 days before the 3 year warranty expired (had the receipt) and they denied the warranty. Had to pay almost the cost of a new one.
Finally I've been waiting for this episode ever since mine arrived. If I had known you needed one I would have shipped mine over. Either way glad to see you all taking it out for a Test Torque.
I just bought one of these as soon as I was able to get it. Thing rockets out stuck bolts and 33mm lugs like no one's business. Haven't gotten to use the "VTEC" yet, but it's still going strong in the hammer casing. I'll keep an eye on it as I daily it for lug nuts and U bolts.
Man, even the weakest results on these tests would’ve been baller numbers just a couple years ago. What absolute units the DCF97x are. Thanks for the video!
Those tabless 8.0 powerpacks are more impressive than I guessed they would be. Tabless is the future I guess, likely for everything from cars to power tools.
A great time to be on the Dewalt platform. They are killing it with the new products. Now only if they focus on expanding their 12v line. A long shot since Atomic line exists, but hey, we can dream... right?
Thanks for showing these new Titan batteries, one thing they are missing ( or am i wrong) is the UL listing on the back sticker, everything lithium/electric battery needs to be UL listed today.
Awesome video! Really appreciate the battery comparisons as well, it's super useful because it goes to show even if you may not have the immediate cash for the new tabless.. The previous ones still perform damn well! Also, this is one of the first videos where the impact wrench... Doesn't sound like the typical impact wrench 😂 it's like a behemoth when just comparing *sound* profiles (in a good way). Small tip, (YMMV) a small cotton swab dab of Ballistol is what I tend to apply on an anvil or socket to help during times where I suspect it might get stuck. It helps alot as well for smaller impacts where I've had to grab pliers just to remove the damn bit out of the holder (as a more "normal/common" example). In those instances you can of course use less since the it's a smaller surface area 👍🏽
I hear you correctly, that you can change a 1/2” anvil to a 3/4” anvil on the Milwaukee high torque? If so, how do I do that because the half inch is driving me insane with messing up sockets
Thank you for the excellent content...but, don't you normally do the max 15 second run in reverse?. It appeared it was in tightening mode during those tests on the big machine. Just wondering is all. Love the channel.
Nice. Pretty much what I figured the first time I used a coworkers 961. That tool feels...weird and wrong being only 1/2" drive. Gonna grab one of these as soon as I find one in stock. I definitely feel we're at the end of what these machines can hold up to, being made of sintered metal and PA6.
For further battery testing I think you should have a high performance reference battery pack, where you know the cells are the actual limitation and not poor conductors etc within the battery. Then you can truly test if new battery types actually perform better than the old traditional cells. The reference pack could be built with Molicel INR21700-P50B the upgrade from the previous spicy packs you have built for the videos
Can someone make a splitter/stacker that will allow us to use multiple old batteries at once on a tool? What about a adapter for the new tabless batteries/tools?
As an auto tech of 13+ years in Wisconsin, that “V tech” would annoy the crap out of me. I don’t want to be hitting on a fastener for 4-5 seconds before the tool starts to “fully” work. Especially on a tool that large and heavy. Having to hold it for any extra time just seems to be a recipe for a needlessly exhausting day.
I usually don't get the scale but I have a 5Ah powerstack and that dude is chonky next to the regular bois, so seeing that look absolutely proportional on that wrench is, uh, something else.
Yeah, 8A of maximum continuous discharge is NOT enough for a power tool battery. 15A is the minimum but generally 18650 based tool batteries will use 20A cells. Low maximum discharge current has always been the tradeoff with ultra high capacity cells.
Thank you Torque, by chance have you tried the 8.0 powerpack in any flexvolt tools? I have the powerwasher flexvolt using Amazon MVMOD 9.0. Works ok for the price.
Have you guys ever considered testing the M18 compact impact driver? I'd be really curious to see what kind of torque numbers a tiny little package like that could put out. I'd also be curious to see if it would even survive the testing you guys do. It gets hot fast just driving screws, so I can only image how it would react to repeated runs on your dyno.
Would you guys be interested in testing big right angle stud drills? There are a few out there but I was wondering how they would compare to these high power drills like the DeWalt 1007 and if they would work for drilling through steel for the higher power applications.
Something had to be wrong with the off brand batteries. I've ran my 961 off the 1.7 powerstack just fine. Not the same power or runtime as the 5 powerstack but it did it.
Editing note: I think you might havce mistakenly put "DCF961" on the charts when testing the Titans, when you likely meant the DCF964 with the kit PS5A.
hi, could you link your workbench psu directly to the drill to know its real full power torque cap? just put voltage cap at 18 or 19 volts to be safe and uncap amps and see how it does. You could see the max wattage consumption, max amps and max torque It can deliver
@TorqueTestChannel yes i asume that if you get to the psu limit, you might have to find a much more powerful one, dont know if it exists....i only have one that has max 300w son that is not enough i asume, this drill should be like at a thousend watts or something like that.
@@roicarlesfontan6630 1000x2 would trip into protection on load spikes, 1200W x 2 would like run it well. Nothing earth shattering. Basically 95-105% of just slapping a battery on, for like 15lbs of equipment and 6 wire leads
When an oppurtunity arises, I'd love it if you guys checked out a new tool brand called mellif. Their own line up of tools (gray) are budget friendly and very high quality. A tool repairman I follow (Dean Doherty) speaks highly of their line up. They make tools that fit the big three batteries too but its their own line up that are the good tools and also interchangeable with dewalt batteries.
@theperry4134 I'm really curious. It seems like it makes a difference from me using the setup at work but I haven't ran across a bolt that my 6ah forge couldn't break, then broke it with the 12 so I'm not really sure
@default9740 I bought the dcf964 of the mac tool truck. If it breaks at least, I can warrenty it easily A few guys in my shop have the dcf 961 2 of then broke after a month. Ajd then mac guy said ge had to warrenty another
I want to see one of Flex's insane 10 AH 2500 watt stacked lithium batteries on the DCF964 with an adapter, just to see if that monolithic motor can take even more power
I think DeWalt probably noticed the fact, than the half inch anvil is on its limits. Putting there the three quarter inch allowed them to use the motor harder, but maybe too hard though. it could be just material error, but i am more concerned also could be simmilar scenerio to the Milwaukee M18 gen 4 impact driver, when they tried to shrink down some stuff too much. the gears in that gearbox are large in diameter, but not very wide for what motor is behind it. Hopefully DeWalt does better job and changes the construction of the gearbox if needed, as it is probably one of the few actual 3/4 impacts that are not just less useful 1/2 inch guns.
I'm impressed by the new Dewalt, however, I can just tolerate the vibration my Milwaukee high power 1/2 impact. For those who need the power, I get it. For most people except those working on class 7 trucks, this would be overkill and at my age, the last thing I need is a stressed out wrist.
On their website, Titan says "Assembled in the USA: Proudly assembled in Idaho with a 3 year warranty" so just assembled here, though I'm not really sure what that means over all.
Usually you go off the product and packaging, since it's illegal to print incorrectly MADE IN vs ASSEMBLED IN vs ASSMEBLED WITH on the product or box, whereas you can do whatever you want on a website.
12:12 Hardly curious. Li-ion cell chemistries have a trade off. High capacity and high discharge, pick one. 4000mAh out of a single 18650? Yeah, sure, sounds plausible. Large manufacturers (Panasonic/Sanyo, LG, Samsung) with all their might and R&D expense manufacture 18650's up to around 3400-3600mAh with rated discharge currents of up to 5-8A maybe 10A continuous. I would love if you guys would do a follow up with these batteries, testing the cells individually at different constant currents. Meaning down from 200mA up to 10A or 20A. Comparing to brand name cells like 35E, 25R, HG2, MJ1 etc. If you're not into testing the other cells I mentioned by yourself, maybe talk with the chap behind lygte-info if you could feature their results in your video.
Thank you for taking the carpal tunnel for the team.
It's really not that bad. I use the 961 almost every day, and it's never been a problem, I don't even notice it.
@@operator8014it was a joke...
We try to emphasize that it's only when a bolt is able to put up enough fight to battle the gun you feel it. But then, yeah, hold on
@@TorqueTestChannel i literally just picked up my DCF961 from my local home depot yesterday.
This is a certified Torque Test classic
Hope you feel better dude. I can hear it.
Thanks man. Channel's got 2 healthy normal sounding dudes and 1 that sounds like a garbage disposal, and guess which one has to do the voice over
Crazy to think my dcf961 is now the "little" brother 🤣
That same grinding happened to my dcf961. I got it warrantied through MAC tools then about a month later the 2nd one I’ve owned did it again while trying to remove inch and a half
Bud wheel lug nuts… I think when you push these tools to their limit they break except for the DCF 900. You can straight up abuse the DCF 900 and it almost will never break.
I have 3 DCF900’s. Two broke the anvils and one went completely dead. I’m guessing the board went bad. All 3 were warrantied, so no worries, but I expected them to handle more abuse than they do.
the big issue with the titan is that higher density cells equal less max current output. A 30a 18650 is generaly rated around 2500mah while a 10a will be more like 4000mah. that impact needs high current
Basically any tool needs moar current for more performance so the Titan DW batteries will be a fail in anything save for maybe lights and fans; but in any event not worth the price. If the 2Ah genuine DW is outperforming the 4Ah Titan...that's a bad sign. Titan should be well aware of the current requirements and favourability of cells for power tools, not just jam in whatever to get a higher capacity number when the cells are not appropriate for power tools. There was a recent reddit post where some clueless guy had nearly the same idea..."why can't I rebuild this 5Ah DW and make it into 10Ah! Hurr durr!" lol. That's the kind of thing you'd expect from a clueless Joe that has no idea about batteries, but some commercial company making batteries (and premium price ones at that) should def. know better.
Honestly, I don't see it as an issue. Just more of a problem with marketing. The people that will use those batteries aren't gonna be throwing them on their impact wrenchs. They will throw them on a lightweight impact driver, a battery draining angle grinder, an endurance killing leaf blower, or something of the sort. I think most people would love to be able to throw something on the size of a 2ah and have it last more than 15 seconds on their angle grinder.
Yep, thats the case even the specs sheet at 9:02, show the max discharge current is 8A of the cell used in the Titan batteries and thats a big problem the normal cells used in DW pack are inr18650-25r with a much higher amp discharge value 20 amps, more than the double, yikes!
Even a chep knockoff could beat those titan packs.
My DCF961 made the same noise. Took it apart and found the gear reduction teeth on the larger diameter gears to have damaged teeth. My Mac truck sent it in and apparently those gears are backordered. Posted a video showing the noise almost 2 months ago. Still haven't received my tool.
What else is there to say.
The best, most comprehensive, and entertaining channel for all us tool geeks!! We are simply grateful for TTC!!!!
Got this off my Mac truck a few weeks ago. Diesel tech here. Been using it everyday to take lug nuts off. Hasn’t failed me yet. It does like to eat batteries though.
As much energy as that's taking, can't say I'm surprised. You'd have to have what, a 6 foot breaker bar with 200 lbs a the end to match this torque? Though I suppose if you're adding gravity and jumping on the end you /could/ get higher. But that's not nearly as compact, or fast 😂
I work in maintenance at a power plant and this channel has lead me to purchase many of these high performance tools. We run mainly DEWALT where we now have the atomic 1/2”, newest 1/2” mid torque, and now the 964. It’s honestly amazing the punch these tools offer for the size. Thank you TTC for testing these tools.
literally was waiting for this review to add to my christmas list
It is a beast. I personally didn't think it was that much of a handful and I did put my 9 amp flexvolt on it and I'm not built like Eddie Hall or Thor.
I got the DCF 900 and it absolutely has no problems doing any mechanical work in terms of taking off the bolts or lug nuts. I didn’t even consider the 961, and now this? Wow!
You're probably work on a car or light truck, once you step up to class 6 trucks or heavy equipment like bulldozers the needs get a bit higher =)
We need battery rankings! There are just too many to keep track of
They should have made it 60V! 🤣 Will FlexVolt move to this tabless, cant wait to see those numbers!
I had high hopes for the USA batteries. I hope Titan sees this and incorporates it as feedback into their product development, it would be pretty cool to see competitive USA-made packs.
I think it means they just need to market them better. Market them for saws, angle grinders, routers, etc, not impacts. So many tools could use more density rather than draw rates, but impacts are one of the few exceptions to that.
Saws usually require more watts than impacts
@@TorqueTestChannel We don't deal in reality around here. Stop it!
@@littlejack59Saws and angle grinders are more power hungry than impacts and sustain that draw for a long time.
Made in USA is a mark of low quality
Thanks for reviewing this one guys. :)
Oooh im excited for this one 🔥
Do i really need something bigger than my DCF900? No not really. But do i WANT a 964? Don’t be silly, of course i do
I'm in same situation xD
Same😂
Need one of these as a trunk tool. Also, kinda cool to see Titan on the video; I have their batteries for airsoft guns and they're good.
Mostly use my 1/2" impact as a lug nut remover/installer at home, where the socket-weld is real. Can't imagine wanting to use something even stronger ... but my impact sockets are likely junk quality. Either that or I haven't yet found a car manufacturer that uses accurate lug nut sizes and the slop contributes to the issue.
Shame about the Titans, from my perspective. Especially for buyers, who surely bought them because of the FLAG plastered all over them. Like a lot of users I do my best to avoid buying batteries outright, waiting for a sale on a new tool/free batt combo of some kind. Great time of year for that.
As someone who’s a slight airsoft enthusiast, I was like “no way it’s THAT titan”
That is a powerhouse! Thanks for the testing!
The titan batteries makes sense somewhat. rechargeable batteries always have a tradeoff between energy density and discharge rate (often measured in C, 1C means you can drain the thing in an hour safely, 2C means you could do it in half an hour. Stuff you might find in quadcopters can be as high as 10-15C sometimes). If the discharge rate isn't there, you can get a lot power, just not enough of it at once to feed the tool. And given that Titan is focused on high energy density batteries, it makes sense that it wouldn't perform well with this BEAST of a tool
Well if they're here to friendshore power tool batteries, another option is Molicel cells - Taiwanese company with facilities in British Columbia, Canada. I have 5 of their P28As on hand intending to build a 2Ah form factor Dewalt battery with. Those are rated 35A discharge iirc. The shell, for me, could come from China, but Titan can certainly try to arrange to make them in the US.
Molicel has since upped the 18650s to 3Ah and has 21700s that do 5Ah at 10C.
Last good/big brand cell manufacturer to make cells in [North] America was Molicel who used to produce cells in Canada, but I don't think they do any longer. Apart from that you have Tesla-Panasonic's 21700s coming out of the Gigafactory but don't think they sell those in qty for other manufacturers to order/use (i.e. use outside vehicles). This Amprius here doesn't seem to really be any better than 3rd rate China cells, but with a much higher price--a bit disappointing TBH.
As an electrical engineer I love geeking out over the battery tech! This impact is a monster and my wallet is happy I don't do heavy equipment work to need anything bigger than my Hercules Ultra torque. By the way, hope you feel better soon torque, sounding a little sick in this one.
Please keep us updated on that warranty process. Since I've heard not so pleasant stories with Dewalt warranty processes.
I’m not a fan either. Never had a problem with Milwaukee warranty, even without a receipt. DeWalt requires a receipt and I submitted a reciprocating saw (lock pin for the blade wore out) to their repair center 8 days before the 3 year warranty expired (had the receipt) and they denied the warranty. Had to pay almost the cost of a new one.
Those Titans look excellent for my application. Especially the 4AH. I prioritize size over power in my career field.
My dcf891 and dcf961 both had the gears destroyed. These new DeWalts seem so powerful but they don’t seem to hold up, at least for me.
Honor , Honesty and Integrity. Love ya Brother !!!
Great that you tested with a 60V Max battery too!!
Finally I've been waiting for this episode ever since mine arrived. If I had known you needed one I would have shipped mine over. Either way glad to see you all taking it out for a Test Torque.
More like we were holding out for when the M18 3/4" would be announced, and eventually gave up
@@TorqueTestChannel Understandable. Love the Channel so thanks for all the hard work and quality testing. Nice to see experiments done properly.
Finally been waiting for this!! GREAT content as always TTC!!
I just bought one of these as soon as I was able to get it. Thing rockets out stuck bolts and 33mm lugs like no one's business. Haven't gotten to use the "VTEC" yet, but it's still going strong in the hammer casing. I'll keep an eye on it as I daily it for lug nuts and U bolts.
Man, even the weakest results on these tests would’ve been baller numbers just a couple years ago. What absolute units the DCF97x are.
Thanks for the video!
Those tabless 8.0 powerpacks are more impressive than I guessed they would be. Tabless is the future I guess, likely for everything from cars to power tools.
im here for the titan batteries. love seeing the reshoring of industry
I'd be interested to see how the XGT does with the BL4040F.
Thanks guys! I was waiting for this one...and then the Titan batteries was a great bonus. Hope they start making some tabless models...
A great time to be on the Dewalt platform.
They are killing it with the new products.
Now only if they focus on expanding their 12v line. A long shot since Atomic line exists, but hey, we can dream... right?
Thanks for showing these new Titan batteries, one thing they are missing ( or am i wrong) is the UL listing on the back sticker, everything lithium/electric battery needs to be UL listed today.
Great video as always. Do you guys plan on testing the Ryobi edge battery?
Awesome video! Really appreciate the battery comparisons as well, it's super useful because it goes to show even if you may not have the immediate cash for the new tabless.. The previous ones still perform damn well!
Also, this is one of the first videos where the impact wrench... Doesn't sound like the typical impact wrench 😂 it's like a behemoth when just comparing *sound* profiles (in a good way).
Small tip, (YMMV) a small cotton swab dab of Ballistol is what I tend to apply on an anvil or socket to help during times where I suspect it might get stuck. It helps alot as well for smaller impacts where I've had to grab pliers just to remove the damn bit out of the holder (as a more "normal/common" example). In those instances you can of course use less since the it's a smaller surface area 👍🏽
I hear you correctly, that you can change a 1/2” anvil to a 3/4” anvil on the Milwaukee high torque? If so, how do I do that because the half inch is driving me insane with messing up sockets
"Discharge Delta Detour" xD that could be a great band name lol
Flex volt being dethroned is wild
Thank you for the excellent content...but, don't you normally do the max 15 second run in reverse?. It appeared it was in tightening mode during those tests on the big machine.
Just wondering is all. Love the channel.
That failure sounds like the same failure I've had on three different 891's. I gave up on warrantying them, and it still seems to work fine.
Let's see the milwaukee 1" d-handle with the new 12ah forge battery
Nice. Pretty much what I figured the first time I used a coworkers 961. That tool feels...weird and wrong being only 1/2" drive. Gonna grab one of these as soon as I find one in stock.
I definitely feel we're at the end of what these machines can hold up to, being made of sintered metal and PA6.
Could you test the DCD1007 with the power pack?
For further battery testing I think you should have a high performance reference battery pack, where you know the cells are the actual limitation and not poor conductors etc within the battery. Then you can truly test if new battery types actually perform better than the old traditional cells.
The reference pack could be built with Molicel INR21700-P50B the upgrade from the previous spicy packs you have built for the videos
Maybe this will convince the tire doctor to go cordless
Great test and some amazing torque there. Good to know my buying of the 5ah and 8ah powerstacks is going to be worth it. 5
Is it bad that I want one when I own zero 3/4" sockets?? Great info on the Titans. Would like to see more testing with those. Love the USA Made
I’m really wondering how the forge hd12 will do especially with the 2967
Can someone make a splitter/stacker that will allow us to use multiple old batteries at once on a tool? What about a adapter for the new tabless batteries/tools?
Can you modify a half inch gun down to 3/8? See how strong a 3/8 anvil is.
This will be good for DeWalt they can warranty the tool and then do a deep dive why it failed.
As an auto tech of 13+ years in Wisconsin, that “V tech” would annoy the crap out of me. I don’t want to be hitting on a fastener for 4-5 seconds before the tool starts to “fully” work. Especially on a tool that large and heavy. Having to hold it for any extra time just seems to be a recipe for a needlessly exhausting day.
I agree. I'm only grabbing this beast if I KNOW I need it.
When there's a battery to drive it, that unit puts down some serious power
I usually don't get the scale but I have a 5Ah powerstack and that dude is chonky next to the regular bois, so seeing that look absolutely proportional on that wrench is, uh, something else.
Came here for a torque test, got sold on some new batteries😂 first time I have seen those
Yeah, 8A of maximum continuous discharge is NOT enough for a power tool battery. 15A is the minimum but generally 18650 based tool batteries will use 20A cells. Low maximum discharge current has always been the tradeoff with ultra high capacity cells.
Makes you wonder if the guys at dewalt are fans of space balls. It was accurately named.
Could you guys review the pen style impacts. Something like makita td022. There are few manufacturers making that style
Maybe Titan needs to build a 3p18650 pack.
Thank you Torque, by chance have you tried the 8.0 powerpack in any flexvolt tools? I have the powerwasher flexvolt using Amazon MVMOD 9.0. Works ok for the price.
Have you guys ever considered testing the M18 compact impact driver? I'd be really curious to see what kind of torque numbers a tiny little package like that could put out. I'd also be curious to see if it would even survive the testing you guys do. It gets hot fast just driving screws, so I can only image how it would react to repeated runs on your dyno.
Can we see how the DCF 961 runs with an adapter and better value 24v 8ah Kobalt battery.
Sawzall dyno when
Would you guys be interested in testing big right angle stud drills? There are a few out there but I was wondering how they would compare to these high power drills like the DeWalt 1007 and if they would work for drilling through steel for the higher power applications.
Patiently waiting for compact 3 or 4 ah tabless.
Has the $99 black Friday FLEX compact kit been tested? Watched the compact impact video and didn't happen to see it
Have you seen Ingersol Rand’s DXS2?
I would like to see the 3/4” flex tested to see the difference from the 1/2” already tested.
Vtec with cams
Something had to be wrong with the off brand batteries. I've ran my 961 off the 1.7 powerstack just fine. Not the same power or runtime as the 5 powerstack but it did it.
This is better entertainment than watching proffesional sports.
Editing note: I think you might havce mistakenly put "DCF961" on the charts when testing the Titans, when you likely meant the DCF964 with the kit PS5A.
hi, could you link your workbench psu directly to the drill to know its real full power torque cap? just put voltage cap at 18 or 19 volts to be safe and uncap amps and see how it does. You could see the max wattage consumption, max amps and max torque It can deliver
Modern batteries can deliver more watts, more instantly than any AC to DC bench top set up that plugs into the wall. We've tried
@TorqueTestChannel yes i asume that if you get to the psu limit, you might have to find a much more powerful one, dont know if it exists....i only have one that has max 300w son that is not enough i asume, this drill should be like at a thousend watts or something like that.
@@roicarlesfontan6630 We've tried it with 2 1200W power supplies chained together
@TorqueTestChannel and nothing?
@@roicarlesfontan6630 1000x2 would trip into protection on load spikes, 1200W x 2 would like run it well. Nothing earth shattering. Basically 95-105% of just slapping a battery on, for like 15lbs of equipment and 6 wire leads
When an oppurtunity arises, I'd love it if you guys checked out a new tool brand called mellif. Their own line up of tools (gray) are budget friendly and very high quality. A tool repairman I follow (Dean Doherty) speaks highly of their line up. They make tools that fit the big three batteries too but its their own line up that are the good tools and also interchangeable with dewalt batteries.
Does the 2967 benefit any more off a 12ah forge??
That’s what I’m wondering, It looks like he’s gonna test it at some point. Hoping it’s next video
@theperry4134 I'm really curious. It seems like it makes a difference from me using the setup at work but I haven't ran across a bolt that my 6ah forge couldn't break, then broke it with the 12 so I'm not really sure
cant wait to use this on drain plugs
Thank you 🙏
I have seen 3 of the DCF961 be warrantied because of the grinding gears
Good to have this feedback before I recommend this tool to some users. Will wait for the Type 2.
@default9740 I bought the dcf964 of the mac tool truck. If it breaks at least, I can warrenty it easily
A few guys in my shop have the dcf 961
2 of then broke after a month. Ajd then mac guy said ge had to warrenty another
That tool makes the 5ah PS look like the 1.7
I suppose it would be more fair to test the Titan battery vs. DeWalt battery in a long run test on a moderate draw tool like a drill.
Can you guys check out the new ridgid 4 amp ex orange p AC840041 tabless cell????
I want to see one of Flex's insane 10 AH 2500 watt stacked lithium batteries on the DCF964 with an adapter, just to see if that monolithic motor can take even more power
I think DeWalt probably noticed the fact, than the half inch anvil is on its limits. Putting there the three quarter inch allowed them to use the motor harder, but maybe too hard though. it could be just material error, but i am more concerned also could be simmilar scenerio to the Milwaukee M18 gen 4 impact driver, when they tried to shrink down some stuff too much. the gears in that gearbox are large in diameter, but not very wide for what motor is behind it. Hopefully DeWalt does better job and changes the construction of the gearbox if needed, as it is probably one of the few actual 3/4 impacts that are not just less useful 1/2 inch guns.
Thank you again.
Very good. Thank you!
I'm impressed by the new Dewalt, however, I can just tolerate the vibration my Milwaukee high power 1/2 impact. For those who need the power, I get it. For most people except those working on class 7 trucks, this would be overkill and at my age, the last thing I need is a stressed out wrist.
What about the 15ah!?
Does party mode come party hat?
Impressive AF!
THANKS BRO
On their website, Titan says "Assembled in the USA: Proudly assembled in Idaho with a 3 year warranty" so just assembled here, though I'm not really sure what that means over all.
Usually you go off the product and packaging, since it's illegal to print incorrectly MADE IN vs ASSEMBLED IN vs ASSMEBLED WITH on the product or box, whereas you can do whatever you want on a website.
12:12 Hardly curious. Li-ion cell chemistries have a trade off. High capacity and high discharge, pick one. 4000mAh out of a single 18650? Yeah, sure, sounds plausible.
Large manufacturers (Panasonic/Sanyo, LG, Samsung) with all their might and R&D expense manufacture 18650's up to around 3400-3600mAh with rated discharge currents of up to 5-8A maybe 10A continuous.
I would love if you guys would do a follow up with these batteries, testing the cells individually at different constant currents. Meaning down from 200mA up to 10A or 20A. Comparing to brand name cells like 35E, 25R, HG2, MJ1 etc.
If you're not into testing the other cells I mentioned by yourself, maybe talk with the chap behind lygte-info if you could feature their results in your video.
Lygte stopped testing cells a long time ago, mooch and pajda do it now. They have already tested vapcell 4ah 18650a and they are ok
Been using the titan batterys in airsoft for years . Their good batteries but not life changing like they claim .
Ho-Lee-Chit Batman! 1265! Ridiculous 💯