Setting Up My Rat Cage & Mini Rat Haul | Midwest Double Critter Nation

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  • Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025

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  • @ZEROX619XX
    @ZEROX619XX 6 лет назад +89

    Walmart has zip ties for $0.89 lol

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад +5

      jared smith LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭

    • @elizabethlange3188
      @elizabethlange3188 5 лет назад +1

      jared smith yes they do but how many do you get for $.89 in her state. Her state! If you live in a different state it’s going to be different.

    • @kaylove5622
      @kaylove5622 5 лет назад

      Yeah but for how many zip ties? She got around 60 zip ties for a dollar. That's a good price.

    • @jerrodwilliams6789
      @jerrodwilliams6789 4 года назад

      i will pay 2.50 a piece for a zip tie before i step foot in a radical wal mart.

  • @VictoriaRaechel
    @VictoriaRaechel 6 лет назад +87

    Oh my gosh Elizabeth is so cute! And her hair is getting SO LONG!!! I’m really excited for you to have ratties!!!

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад +5

      Victoria Raechel I know!!!! It’s crazy how fast her hair is growing!!! Time flies seriously 😂 thanks again tori so much!! I’m so excited too!!! Xoxoxo 😊💕💕💕💕

    • @kilelost8285
      @kilelost8285 6 лет назад +2

      When are you making your next video. I love your vids

    • @hanna7074
      @hanna7074 4 года назад

      Victoria Raechel AAA HI!! I didn’t know you watched them 🥺💗💗 I have two rats named Minnie and Zelda

  • @emalee9000
    @emalee9000 6 лет назад +68

    Here's some cheap rattie owning tips! Walmart has suuuuuper cheap fleece blankets ($2.50 in PA) and two of them will fill both large pans, both shelves, and leave you with enough to DIY some hammocks! Learning how to sew hammocks will save you a lot of money, for $5 it can cover the pans, shelves and make about 4 small hammocks or two large hammocks. Baby food is their best friend, plus I always find the human yogies are made with better ingredients than the pet ones. Lastly, hanging flower pots from the dollar store are probably the best things I've ever found. They come with three metal loops, so you can pull the string out and use either shower rings or just zip tie them. To the top. Hope you enjoy these tips. ☺️

    • @cerrissalamos5890
      @cerrissalamos5890 6 лет назад +1

      Some walmarts also sell fleece in the fabric section roughly 3$per yard

    • @amberbedford5639
      @amberbedford5639 5 лет назад +2

      Omg thank you for these tips they helped a lot

  • @HoppingHammy
    @HoppingHammy 6 лет назад +47

    Elizabeth has already grown up so much! She's adorable! I hope that preparing for and having rats again will be a great experience for you! 💖 That fleece you got is really cute!

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад +1

      HoppingHammy it’s crazy how time flies!!!!! Thanks so much hh!! I’m so excited and can’t wait to bring them home xoxo 💕💕

  • @MotherOfWednesday
    @MotherOfWednesday 6 лет назад +28

    Your mind will be blown by how much you are going to love your rats. Nothing any one told me could prepare me for the fact that they are actually really small dogs with hands. They are every bit as loyal loving and intelligent and I can't believe how much I love them. I can't wait to meet yours

    • @beth3596
      @beth3596 6 лет назад

      Maggie Kennedy would you recommend males or females?

    • @murphdawgswizzle
      @murphdawgswizzle 6 лет назад +1

      Beth b
      i personally recommend males, especially for beginners because they’re a lot less crazy than females.

    • @beth3596
      @beth3596 6 лет назад

      Alana’s Mini Zoo thank you, I can’t wait to get my ratsss

  • @leslierosiles3144
    @leslierosiles3144 6 лет назад +14

    You look so happy! I’m happy you are happy. What a nice Fam!!!!

  • @StarLight-tq5bg
    @StarLight-tq5bg 6 лет назад +13

    You are such an inspiration to everyone

  • @elizabethm907
    @elizabethm907 6 лет назад

    It so nice to see you happy again. It's great to see you get animals again. I wish you the best in life to come.

  • @finsandwhiskers
    @finsandwhiskers 6 лет назад

    It really is so good to see you making videos again. Your content is always so relaxing and peaceful to watch. I literally am able to calm my anxiety a bit when I listen to you so thank you for being you I guess 😂 you’re amazing.

  • @KateAshworth
    @KateAshworth 6 лет назад +4

    I'm so glad you're properly back and you seem a lot happier! Also your hair looks really nice and natural 😊 xx

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад +1

      fluffyanimalfreak x aweee thanks so much !!! That means a lot to me xoxo

    • @KateAshworth
      @KateAshworth 6 лет назад

      @@Hammylux 😊💜

  • @kyliebrooks7926
    @kyliebrooks7926 6 лет назад +6

    You are such an inspiration and I am always waiting for you to post again. It would be nice if you did a video for people who’s hamsters are very aggressive and cannot get them to be tame. I love you and all your animals and can’t wait for more videos on your rats
    I just can’t seem to get any of my hamsters that I get to tame down so that I can hold them without getting bit

  • @jaeldelgado5526
    @jaeldelgado5526 6 лет назад

    Omgg I’m so excited we’re going to get to see you more and the kids and the babies( hamster and ratties )❤️

  • @lmddivine8265
    @lmddivine8265 6 лет назад

    I love watching people setting up cages but this is by far is my fav!

  • @konner2024
    @konner2024 6 лет назад +26

    I suggest getting boys because they’re super cuddly

    • @carrie9716
      @carrie9716 6 лет назад +4

      I personally like girls better because they want to play and run around. But yeah, the cuddles are super sweet too! I just like hand wrestling with the little rascals lol.

    • @zoegomez4110
      @zoegomez4110 6 лет назад +1

      boys tend to have more of a musky smell but give the best cuddles. You can remove their scent glands (though I dont know if thats good for them)

  • @missTammy1983
    @missTammy1983 6 лет назад

    Oh yeah , I miss your vlogs Pam, you are awesome . Can't wait to see your new family members

  • @joshsmith3310
    @joshsmith3310 6 лет назад +10

    I love you guys

  • @blairclawson3814
    @blairclawson3814 6 лет назад

    I’m so glad to see you so happy and getting a NEW species of pet! You’re awesome Pam!

  • @elizabethm907
    @elizabethm907 6 лет назад

    Love all of the fleece patterns that you got.

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад

      Elizabeth m awe thank you!! Xoxoxo

  • @kaitspaghetti
    @kaitspaghetti 6 лет назад

    Those dollar tree cat toys are great. I use the plastic balls for my rabbits! They love to toss them around. Im sure the rats will love them!

  • @krististout5590
    @krististout5590 5 лет назад

    Cheap shower curtain rings from dollar tree are easy for hanging baskets and toys in rat cages, especially if you plan on moving things around a lot in the cage so they don’t get bored!

  • @elliechasingsunrises
    @elliechasingsunrises 6 лет назад

    Congratulations on deciding to get rats!! They are some of the sweetest pets 💖 my husband and I have nine girls and we adore them. You are spoiling them with the best cage! Some other ideas for you: space pods (they LOVE these), lava ledges, 3-4 inch PVC pipes, running wheel if you get them at a young age, my big girls don't like the 12 inch wheel, ropes from the dollar tree to replace the ramps (no ramps = more exercise and stimulation), highly recommend oxbow brand lab blocks (no dried corn ever for food), a forgaging bin, ferret litter box with unscented yesterday's news litter. Fill in the cage as much as you possibly can. Any empty space is wasted space for rats. They adore clutter. I even took out the middle shelf so they could climb more. We also love the dollar tree car cloths and baskets. Check out Chewy online for some really good deals on the items I suggested. Plus they have free 2 day shipping when you spend $49.

  • @leighparker9109
    @leighparker9109 6 лет назад

    Beautiful stuff! Thank you for sharing. :D

  • @alexisturner781
    @alexisturner781 6 лет назад +5

    So exited for the rats! Your amazing Pam!

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад

      Alexis Turner aweee thank you!!! I’m so excited too xoxox

  • @kendrageiger9835
    @kendrageiger9835 6 лет назад +1

    OMG YOURE FINALLY GETTING RATS AGAIN!! I have waiting for this forever!! I’m so happy ❤️❤️

  • @mya2789
    @mya2789 6 лет назад +1

    Ilysm pam! Sorry I’m late but whatever, so excited to watch the video and for you to get your rats!!

  • @lsa7ada123
    @lsa7ada123 6 лет назад

    That’s exactly what I had for my rats years ago. They loved it. I loved them. I had hairless, Rex and double Rex dumbos. My girls were wonderful.

  • @mayhemwithari
    @mayhemwithari 6 лет назад

    So happy to see more videos again Pam!!!

  • @emslilzoo2906
    @emslilzoo2906 6 лет назад +2

    Critternations are the best cages! So excited to watch :)

    • @LittlePaws18120
      @LittlePaws18120 6 лет назад +1

      I agree! Critter nation cages are super nice!

  • @alexahowmanyhamsters1312
    @alexahowmanyhamsters1312 6 лет назад

    So exciting! Can't wait to see the little cuties🤗💟🐭🐁

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад

      LaceyAlexa hamsters&cats awe thanks so much !!!!! Xoxoxo

  • @ginarodermund2274
    @ginarodermund2274 6 лет назад +33

    I know this comment probably doesnt really fit but I wish you and your boyfriend all the best for your relationship 💗💗💗

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад +7

      Gina Rodermund that is so sweet and means a lot to me!! Thank you 😊 xoxo

  • @emilyemp3
    @emilyemp3 6 лет назад

    OMG I can't believe how much older Elizabeth is now!😱 Can't wait for your rat videos. 🐭🐭🐭🐭🐭🐭😁😁😁

  • @anisa3553
    @anisa3553 6 лет назад

    Omg yay I can’t wait to see the rats!!!💕

  • @LittlePaws18120
    @LittlePaws18120 6 лет назад +2

    Cage is looking great! 👍 I had the same issue with the bottom the first time I set my cage up. Now I can set it up put it together pretty fast from doing deep cleanings. Can't wait to see what else you got. I love those car towels. I use them in my cage but I ran low (they got chewed) and now I'm waiting for the store to restock.😕 Have a great day! 😁🐾🐀

  • @samanthachristina4141
    @samanthachristina4141 6 лет назад

    Great vid, Pam! So excited for you and your future ratties! Also your little daughter is so cute :)

  • @nickisenn4133
    @nickisenn4133 6 лет назад

    So good to see you! Hope life is treating you well, looking forward to more videos!

  • @kajanickerson286
    @kajanickerson286 6 лет назад

    Omg I’m so excited! So glad you’re happy♥️

  • @dexistewart740
    @dexistewart740 6 лет назад

    Awe! Your daughter is so cute! And your son is too!

  • @chloesasmr9381
    @chloesasmr9381 6 лет назад

    I have been so excited for this video to come out ever since u mentioned in one of your other videos that you might be getting rats and putting up the cage I can wait to see what little cuties you get 💗💗 🐀 🐀

  • @katiespetproject9002
    @katiespetproject9002 6 лет назад

    OH MY GOSH IM SO EXITED FOR YOU TO GET RATTY POOS AGAIN!!!!!!!!! Can’t wait!

  • @joannemain86
    @joannemain86 6 лет назад

    So excited to see the new rats, it's going to look amazing when you're done😍😍🤗🤗💖💖🐭🐭

  • @catherine.probstprobst7730
    @catherine.probstprobst7730 6 лет назад

    Yay!!!!! A new video I get so so so so excited when there is a new video!!💓

  • @briannaleeromero225
    @briannaleeromero225 6 лет назад

    Yasss PAM.Been waiting for this video for a long time and finally got it yayyy😍😍😍🙂🙂🙂🐹🐹🐹

  • @hammygabrielle2292
    @hammygabrielle2292 6 лет назад

    such a nice cage. Looks very big and cozy

  • @michaelasekyrkova1
    @michaelasekyrkova1 6 лет назад +2

    I have 4 rats and I love them so much, my spiritual animals ❤️❤️ so happy for yours❤️❤️

    • @LittlePaws18120
      @LittlePaws18120 6 лет назад

      I have 3 rats and they are the best. Totally agree with your comment.

  • @jdog321123
    @jdog321123 6 лет назад

    I'd hugely recommend paper pellet cat litter and DIY cage guards (4-inch chloroplast zip tied to cage bars). The fleece doesn't trap odor so if you can smell pee standing in front they are inhaling ammonia from half an inch away from the substrate.

  • @novakali
    @novakali 6 лет назад

    This is so exciting!!!

  • @anmichele3829
    @anmichele3829 6 лет назад

    Elizabeth has grown up so much! I remember her dropping things in biggie smalls cage in a video:)

  • @petnotebook6089
    @petnotebook6089 6 лет назад

    I’m so happy for you your rats will love there cage

  • @Loveofpets
    @Loveofpets 6 лет назад

    I can't wait to see your rats! Your little girl is so cute!

  • @nhnbbhhbygybyb5617
    @nhnbbhhbygybyb5617 6 лет назад

    I loved this video so much Pam!! Your videos are always amazing though haha! I’m getting the ikea detolf soon for squeak then I’m adopting another hamster in squeaks old cage! I love watching your adopting a hamster vlogs they are so entertaining and fun! I’m hoping to vlog me getting my hamster too! Xoxo

  • @royalmittensofficial
    @royalmittensofficial 6 лет назад

    I can't wait to see your rats when you get them!!

  • @laneyabigail171
    @laneyabigail171 6 лет назад

    I luv your channel so much! Beavis is so cute and I’m so excited for your new ratties😁

  • @chloeboops
    @chloeboops 6 лет назад +2

    Hi Pam! Ily 💕

  • @Lucylovesferg
    @Lucylovesferg 6 лет назад

    Yay!!! I've been waiting for this video

  • @Hope-ei6qf
    @Hope-ei6qf 6 лет назад

    so excited for you!

  • @KatelynsPets
    @KatelynsPets 6 лет назад

    Way too cute!

  • @TheFurryFriends
    @TheFurryFriends 6 лет назад

    Oh I’m so excited you’ll be getting rats again! Yay!!!

  • @asherstrickling2467
    @asherstrickling2467 6 лет назад

    I recommend using smaller binder clips for the fleece. And cut the fleece into slightly bigger pieces so that you can fold it under (looks a lot neater). Also if you want to the fleece to soak up pee better wash a couple times first if its new.

  • @kaileyschaeffer6766
    @kaileyschaeffer6766 6 лет назад +1

    I love your videos and your animals are so adorable ❤❤

  • @Yoga665
    @Yoga665 6 лет назад +1

    Zip ties that are cheap are also made cheap... I used some from the Dollar Store to make my hamster’s new bin cage and they just break. The ones I used on the old cage were from Peavey Mart. They were more expensive but they haven’t broken yet!!

  • @alanab7049
    @alanab7049 6 лет назад

    hi!! just a quick note when using fleece as a main bedding in rat cages. fleece really doesn’t have that great of ammonia control and if it isn’t washed every other day or so with scent-free detergent, it can really end up making the ratties sneezy. it can be a lot of work after awhile. it’s not a bad bedding! but what’s recommended would be some kiln dried pine from tractor supply (the phenols in the pine are not a worry since the kiln-drying part takes care of that) or aspen. i’m not sure what brand of aspen but.. i use the pine for my girls. they’re almost a year old and haven’t had any big respiratory issues yet thank God. anyways, i’m so excited for your new ratties!!! i know you’ll make a great rat momma. good luck!

    • @alanab7049
      @alanab7049 6 лет назад

      but using it in those little baskets is just fine. i do the same with my girls and they loveee it.

    • @alanab7049
      @alanab7049 6 лет назад

      Alexus Keefer ohh i haven’t tried that. thank you for the idea!!

    • @heathensanddemons4046
      @heathensanddemons4046 6 лет назад

      Fleece needs to have an absorbent layer underneath . Towels, puppy pads,ect. With this,they can be used for longer.

    • @moniquegroos2388
      @moniquegroos2388 6 лет назад

      Alexus Keefer you should never use towels, towels have threads, so if your rat decides to chew it, it’ll make it so easy for your poor babies to get their feet caught in the threads.

  • @Mason-lj7ig
    @Mason-lj7ig 6 лет назад

    Love your videos 😁

  • @pastelwatermelon3774
    @pastelwatermelon3774 6 лет назад +7

    I have 6 rats and I love them

  • @beth3596
    @beth3596 6 лет назад

    Whoop! Currently have been doing lots of research as I want to get some rats! Thinking possibly 3/4 boys. Loved the video hope you enjoy having rats💗

  • @adorableanimals8283
    @adorableanimals8283 6 лет назад

    I love your videos so MUCH

  • @flocarter2017
    @flocarter2017 6 лет назад

    yay! i cant wait till you get rats....the cage looks amazing !!! : ) : ) : )

  • @chloewoodall10
    @chloewoodall10 6 лет назад

    I love you I am so happy you have cats so my dad may get me a hammy I use all your soul and cage setups

  • @peachypetparadise27
    @peachypetparadise27 6 лет назад

    It was so fun watching the cage being built! I remember how long it took to set up the Liberta Explorer cage so I can relate haha! Also I have a little tip with the fleece, as fleece is not very absorbent I suggest getting some puppy pads and lying them under the fleece, this way they it will absorb the pee and it won't sit onto of your fleece causing strong odours. Anyway, you got really pretty fleece and I'm sure these are going to be super spoiled ratties :D

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад +1

      PEACHY PETPARADISE puppy pads sounds like a great idea!!!!! Thanks so much peachy!!!!! Huge hugs!!!! Xoxoxo

  • @ellaaa0306
    @ellaaa0306 6 лет назад

    Your little girl is soo cute !!!

  • @MrsJamison904
    @MrsJamison904 6 лет назад

    So exciting!!!

  • @gracekreis9839
    @gracekreis9839 6 лет назад +2

    My hedgehog loves those cloths you got for a dollar .

  • @dimithryyy
    @dimithryyy 6 лет назад

    YAAAAAY NEW VID!

  • @arajkaamazlicci9203
    @arajkaamazlicci9203 6 лет назад +5

    I love it ! I think you are gona be a great rat mom ! :)

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад

      ArajKaBunny awe thank you so much for your kind words!!!! Xoxoxo

  • @broknskull
    @broknskull 6 лет назад

    So excited for you!!
    If you can try and get the tub thing that people use when they make it a hamster cage (can't remember the name of it for the life of me lol) to put substrate in so they can forage for their food and dig :D

  • @ava8636
    @ava8636 6 лет назад

    Very excited to see you're ratties. I Have 4 boys. there names are Abraham, Charlie, Remy, and Stuart. ❤

  • @holylightbulb
    @holylightbulb 6 лет назад

    Can't wait for the rattos to arrive 💕

  • @larisa-5472
    @larisa-5472 6 лет назад +2

    So coool

  • @guineapighamster5994
    @guineapighamster5994 6 лет назад

    I’m so excited

  • @georgiamacleod4887
    @georgiamacleod4887 6 лет назад

    Can’t wait for the rats Elizabeth is growing up so fast I also have a question who was that girl that wasn’t Elizabeth ❤️🐹😄🐭🐭

  • @bonniec314
    @bonniec314 6 лет назад

    OMG! LOVE this! I love shopping at the dollar-tree for my hammies! I would love to get rats someday! I wish you the absolute best, you will be a great rat-mom! :-)

  • @shayrexrode2725
    @shayrexrode2725 6 лет назад +1

    I don’t know if you remember me but you liked my comment!! I’m such a big fan!!!!! Again I’ll be here for you threw anything!! I really wanted a hamster my mom said no but I kept watching your videos and my mom really likes you videos I caught her watching some on her own!!😂 but after I watched your vids I got a Black hamster (it was a suprise I found it down stairs I started crying) PAM YOU INSPIRED ME TO GET ONE AND I LOVE HIM!! BLITZEN (my hamster) is a mix between a Syrian and a Dwarf but anyway ily and your my idol ILYSM

  • @niconicoknee3301
    @niconicoknee3301 6 лет назад

    Oh rats awesome !!! I use to own some there such great pets ! :)

  • @satansdeal3r46
    @satansdeal3r46 6 лет назад

    After having rats for years I know fleece bedding isn't for me. If you end up not liking fleece I don't know if you knew but you can buy large cement mixing tubs from home Depot and use it for lose bedding. They fit perfectly in the cn cages.

  • @fabianacamargo493
    @fabianacamargo493 6 лет назад

    Hi.... im from Brazil and i love your videos 🥰🥰🐹🐹🐭🐭

    • @Hammylux
      @Hammylux  6 лет назад

      Fabiana Camargo awe thank you so much!!! Xoxoxo

  • @lynda1380
    @lynda1380 6 лет назад

    I hope I don't offend with this comment! I'd just suggest with the cable ties to make sure they're on the other side of the bars as they can be quite sharp once you cut the excess off. Sorry, I'm just one of those over cautious rat mums lol I love your videos and am so excited you've got ratties!!! 💜

  • @sarahhockaday6114
    @sarahhockaday6114 5 лет назад

    My double critter nation is coming in the mail tomorrow and I’m so excited! Do you have any tips on assembly? Also, how did you attach the fleece around their trays in the cage? I love your channel and your ratties are so cute!!!

  • @breannemclean6647
    @breannemclean6647 6 лет назад

    I would love to have rats! But my mom said as long as I’m living under her roof no rats! Lol but seeing as though she has been fine with a hamster,Guinea pigs,a hedgehog, 5 rabbits, two pigs,two Dalmatians,a standard poodle,and my most recent addition a husky puppy I guess I can’t complain 😂

  • @lecrow3031
    @lecrow3031 6 лет назад

    🐭 If I was still breeding pet rats, I would have offer you a pair of dumbo-earred, rex-coated ratties (typically I always had self colored powder blues, black, white & blue hooded/mismarked, and seal point siamese). I would had gifted them to you at no cost because I always liked your care and love for our most neglected small pets. Too many people don't give hamsters, mice, rats and gerbils proper living spaces nor care.
    Anyways, omg you at Jo-Ann is me everytime hahaha. When it comes to anything pet, whether it be a dog collar or fleece for rats, I can never decided on what to get. I wish I can buy it all 😭 😂 ❤️🐀

  • @featherjupiterglimmer7590
    @featherjupiterglimmer7590 6 лет назад

    Yay

  • @melslife4715
    @melslife4715 6 лет назад

    Omg cant wait to see them 😍😍😍 is it expensive for fleece for one yard ? At Joanne's I dont have any fleece stores around were I live

  • @corastandiford7664
    @corastandiford7664 6 лет назад

    I miss seeing the your other children, I hope they are all good

  • @nealiegaddis4406
    @nealiegaddis4406 6 лет назад

    I keep thinking about getting rats. But so many things make me nervous to get rats. Not sure why. But I love watching or handling my friends rats. ❤

  • @MissMariahMadeline
    @MissMariahMadeline 5 лет назад

    I've missed you

  • @adorableanimals8283
    @adorableanimals8283 6 лет назад

    I so exited to see the rats I have one hammy she is a Syrian I am going to get rats for the class pet for school though

  • @zoegomez4110
    @zoegomez4110 6 лет назад

    I had two pet rats (katy perry and blondie ) My only recommendation is to get them litter trained as soon as possible and clean there poop up DAILY!!!!!!!!

  • @tanyajohnson3241
    @tanyajohnson3241 6 лет назад

    I love ur videos. I got the same rat toy from dollar tree for my guinea pigs . They love to chew it and drag it around. Also I recommend u get girl rats . I’ve had males and females and the girls smell way less. The boy rats rub their urine all over their fur as a scent marker . Girl rats are my favorite. The males are awesome too except for the smell. 💕

  • @acquaintedxo9207
    @acquaintedxo9207 6 лет назад

    You such an amazing youtuber, I was wondering if you could send me the link for the cage, planning to get a chinchilla and nobody ever links the cages!❤️

  • @erikalove219
    @erikalove219 6 лет назад

    ❤️🙏🏼👍🏼

  • @meepbeep3828
    @meepbeep3828 6 лет назад

    Hey, I'm adopting a male black Syrian hamster this weekend! Do you have any ideas for what I should name my new hammie? Love your videos so much! ❤️
    Can't wait to see your new ratties!

  • @crazyforcandles1
    @crazyforcandles1 3 года назад

    i know this video is older but what is this cage called, where you get it? if online do you have a link?