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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- Building a PAF humbucker from basic parts.
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This has got to be one of the best channels when it comes to guitar pickups. Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge and experience!
Ah, the comment section... The eternal pit of know-it-all's and 1-uppers, where mere mortals with 0 experience or videos of their perfect builds, come to judge someone who spent 26 minutes of his time showing Everyone a priceless piece of knowledge (for free). A bit of gratitude is in order...
Thanks man, I learned a ton from this video 👊😎
Thanks man, actually these videos take closer to half a day if you add up all the time spent prepping and editing.
"Schuyler Dean" sounds like it would be the offbrand version of Seymour Duncan
Haha!
I had no idea how much work their was in building a pickup. Thanks for the video!
Humbuckers take the most work by far.
Your videos are really great. I have enough guitar related hobbies but that really looks like a lot of fun and I can only imagine the pride one must take the first time they nail a really good tone from a pickup they built themselves. Awesome stuff. Thanks.
You just helped me wind my first set of humbuckers dude!! Thank you!!
I like Poly-Enamel myself. I like a differential of 200 winds between coils which gives me the result that I like. I also use black wire for my start wires and white for my finish wires. The best sounding neck pickup I ever built was 4600/4800 turns on the bobbins with a sand-cast A3 long magnet. The output was surprisingly strong, contrary to popular belief.
Nice! Do yo find the pickup to be any less "humbucking" with the two coils so far apart in winds?
Schuyler Dean Pickups Actually, I never considered that. Being a hobbyist, I still have much to learn and experiment with. The pickups still seem to be quiet to me in regard to hum.
This is awesome. I was brought here from the Gibson LP owner group on Facebook. Very cool work. I’d love to try that pickup 😎
Don't forget to subscribe and you'll be entered to win this pickup, Dan!
If you Rap the lead wire Around the bobbin 1/2 to 1 turn You will get a brighter low end sound That's how the early PAF's and the P 90's are done!
Thank you for all the information and demonstration. Good stuff.
Very cool channel! 😊 Would also be great to have this as a text document with illustrations. 💜
CAD is Cellulose acetate butyrate (AKA thermoplastic). When mixed with a solvent (Xylene, squalene, ethylene … ) becomes dope. When mixed with acetone, CAD becomes acrylic. It's used in the manufacture of everything from photographic film, cling wrap, paint, to plastic cutlery. I can see why the used thermoplastic for these bobbins.
Sounds great, I have to keep watching to get those little leads right ,2nd view ,I will continue until I figure it thank you ,keep up the great work !
"It's not plastic"
Yes, it is.
So's the stuff they make inlays from.
I have never sanded the finish on plain enamel wire. Usually I tack it then touch it with the tip and thats it.
Very informative, saved.
I'm still a bit confused about the windings.
Since they're both wound in the same direction, does one get flipped over when secured to the base-plate?
Also curious about the spool of wire, and if you have that mounted to spin with the winding process.
Real nice build. Thank you
Thanks man.. now i know what my father present to gift😅🙏
Great video. Very educational.
random question…in your much more educated opinion, do you think that the alnico magnet on the back of the pickup is close enough to be degaussed by a magnetic screwdriver? I uhhh…may have accidentally used that to adjust the screw. i don’t have a magnometer so I can’t tell for sure if my pole got ruined or if it’s ok. I’m guessing humbuckers are different than alnico single coils in that the screw itself isn’t the alnico pole? I really don’t understand this stuff too well lmao.
I have wanted to know how the solid tops were put on the pickups ,mine are in really bad shape ,now i know how to fix the problem without replacing the pickups
Hey man, first time checking out, your channel is stumbled upon it tonight. Hope to catch more newer, recent stuff who knows might even pick up a set of your pick ups. I’ll be checking out some more stuff from you.
Hi Dean, first of all "congratulations", I have now seen this nice video of yours and I finally understood how a humbucker is made... I play a nice old Ibanez SG standard (with Bigsby) from 1971 to which I replaced an original "Gibson P.A.F." at the neck in the 1981 and more recently a nice "Gibson '57 classic plus" in the bridge, but this doesn't match the P.A.F. in volume... So I'd be interested to know more about your bridge pickup (maybe with a "Crossroads" sound by *Cream*), so I left you my email to find out the cost of the piece and the shipping... Please answer me, thank you and all the best!
When I changed magnet i forgot or lost spacer bar. Does that matter? I noticed neck pickup one of the bobbins slightly caves inwards. Annnoying to look at. No idea if that changes tone? Thoughts?
Great video, really enjoy it. Thanks.
Thank you!
Nice, I'd get the pat decals you can buy on eBay I think, and use Flathead brass screws, for more 50s look - but yeah ...
Thanks for a very professional video. Can you please explain to me why the two bobins of your humbucker are wired clockwise direction? I've always thoght tha they should be wired one clockwise and the other counerclowise to be hum cancelling
See below in the comments section, Wayne's comment may explain it for you.
Nice video, thanks for sharing!
What gauge and type of wire do you use for the "pigtail" leads on the bobbins? Great video by the way...Ive recently made a couple identical style pickups..using 42 gage plain enamel coil wire I'm having trouble getting more than 7.5k with 5090 wraps on coil and 5050 on the other coil..any suggestions for a amateur beginner?
5000 winds is pretty good for 42 gauge. You can stretch it a little but not much more. You can use 43 gauge for higher resistance, but your tone will change a lot. It's also worth experimenting with different magnets. For me, alnico II with about 5000 winds is the sweet spot for that classic sound.
Watching this again I saw that you solder the start lead wire when the winding is finished. Does this have any special reason? Most winders attach the start wire to the pickup wire before winding already. I have to say that I like your method way more though, the bobbin looks a lot cleaner this way.
It's all just personal preference, I like keeping the bobbin clean.
Excellent explanation!
Schuyler I'd like to offer some technical input. Not on anything regarding pickup assembly, but on videography so as to enhance your channel and give your subscibers assistance. When informing of activity and items/tools needed or used, it is best done with near or close up of items described. Remember, you are familiar and skilled at what you do, however those watching which may become subscrbers, are greatly assisted when close ups and walk throughs(when needed) are done and allowed time(silent count to 5) are given.
Rhis will enhance your teaching ability and cause more individuals to Want to subscibe.
Just some positive feedback. I really like your channel and you educating us. Thanks and keep it up.
Dean what is your experience with inside start wire? I'm sure you have done it, please let us know how much difference it makes. Thanks
Don't touch the meter lead tips when taking measurements. You are adding parallel resistance to that of the coil.
Yeah I know it affects the reading, but only minimally in the high-output pickups.
5092...5040...OK, got that (".)
It literally *is* a plastic (re: the bobbin material) and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. If it has “butyl” in the name, that’s a prettttty solid indicator, they used it back when too
What is the point of the pigtails? Why not solder the copper wire direct to the main pickup cable?
Stability I guess. The pigtails are reinforced with being taped to the coil, and then the 4-pin cable is connected. Imagine if you are cabling your cavity and then pull a bit stronger on the cable to sort out the cable into place. That might break the cooper of the coil
When did wax potting show up on the market ?
Can anyone answer this question? Why are some humbucking pickups noisier than others? My house sits very close to some power lines running upwards of 14,000 Volts AC. I have many guitars with humbucking pickups and find some more sensitive to the noise than others. Are there parameters in the design of the standard humbucker sized pickup that can be adjusted to minimize this sensitivity to hum?
Covered vs uncovered and the thickness of the cover if covered. Oh, and what metal they are made from. I am seeing plastic covers now which is mind-boggling stupid to use.
How well screened are the noisy guitars? There won't be any adjustment you can make to the pickups. Nordstrand Big Singles somehow seem to be as humless their Big Splits, even though the former are J bass and the latter are split J.
I have watched this and the video about making a strat pickup, both of them were compelling viewing. I have a much better understanding of how pickups are made. In this one I didn't see how and where you used the maple spacer. My understanding of PAF pickups is that they tend to have an DC resistance somewhere between 7.0k and 8.0k, would I be correct in assuming that the lower the wind, the lower the DC resistance and possibly greater clarity from the pickup?
Thanks John. Lower resistance has more highs and clarity and higher resistance has more mids and volume.
Some PAF humbuckers are hotter Than 10k
Would a pre-tensioner for the 42AWG wire improve the wind quality and impove tone bandwidth?
It would definitely make the pickups more consistent and "scientific". I hand-guide the wire, that's just they way I prefer to do it.
Are you winding both coils clockwise, I though one was c and one cc.
Both are CC
awesome video! I've made a couple of bridge pickups and am now onto a neck pickup. When making a neck pickup, do you make it the same as the bridge, Just flip the orientation?
Awesome!
Nice work, where you buy the ALAN ECO instrument that you see in point 16:31. Thank you
Where can i buy ALAN ECO
Hello Schuyler Dean, PLEASE, could'nt you do a p100 Pickup ??? I' need to see it be done.....Thank ya - and best regards from northern Germany, -- ..............
The slug coil is always north? The slug coil or the Screw Coil is like a single coil with pole pieces? The Screw side coil gets grounded and the screw coil is reversed wound which is used as a dummy coil?
wayne Gram humbucker coils are both wound counter-clockwise. If you remove the screw poles it becomes a dummy coil of sorts. Sounds pretty cool actually.
when you remove the screw poles it makes the guitar sound different?I thought the slug coil was "forward wound" and the screw coil was "reverse wound" . Why are you winding them both counter clockwise?
wayne Gram they are always done like that for phase reasons. Reverse polarity, counter-clockwise, wired in series.
ok thanks
I have a 58 custom pickup and the connecting wires need to be resoldered. Can I use 22 gauge wire to do my rebuild?
Hi so is this a bridge or neck pup? And how do you balance with the other pup?
I would use this as a bridge. Neck pickup would have 10% less winds.
Also, vintage pickups were all the same. Neck pickups often had higher output over the bridge.
Hey! How are you feeding the wire to the winder?
*from the factory spool - - -
Post script: instead of wax potting the pickups, can you coat them in lacquer?
no
@LASPORTS13 a lot of old pickups did it lol
I believe the lacquer potting is just to hold the poles in the bobbin. I don't think it does anything for microphonics like wax does because it's not thick enough to fill in all the voids in the coils.
For the lead wires (pigtails) coming off the pickup, are you using braided or stranded wire?
Out of phase? You have your coils of the humbucker out of phase? So that they aren't humbucking? Am I missing something?
Sorry I should have been more clear: "The two coils are connected out-of-phase, but inverting the magnets in one puts the signal from the vibrating strings back in phase and cancels out induced noise." www.soundonsound.com/techniques/guitar-technology
All single magnet Humbucking pickups have their coils 'out of phase' electrically. Combined with the reverse magnetic polarity, they function 'in phase', and indeed are hum cancelling.
@@SchuylerDeanPickups Ah okay - I didn't realize they were considered to be out of phase prior to the magnet being added to the equation. Then sure that makes sense. Carry on ;-)
@@SchuylerDeanPickups interesting - so what's "left over" from winding the coils slightly unevenly is, in effect, out of phase?
There's your explaination - by winding them differently, you're reducing low end by cancelling common lower order frequencies very slightly. It's the lower order, not the higher order, harmonics which cancel out when two coils are out of phase - mostly, below double the distance between the coils as wavelength.
It's attenuating some of the other factors which make a humbucker pickup darker sounding than a Fender single coil - including the ferrous but non magnetic pole pieces, and the higher number of turns of wire in total. The out of phase design will not rob the pickup of high end, quite the opposite - only the low end. But by unbalancing the coils, you effectively have a small bit on top which is being combined out of phase, and disproportionately cancelling lower end harmonics!
@@dankatz5224 yes I totally agree. I like brighter sounding humbuckers anyway. Any opportunity to bring in more highs (scatterwinding, unbalancing the coils...) just makes them sound better to me.
excellent! thank you!
What happens if you wind up with wire 9000 times or 10,000 times?
Robert Ferri First, you most likely won’t be able to get that many winds on a bobbin. Not enough room. Especially with the 42 gauge Wire he’s using here. Second, it would be muddy as hell. As a rule, the more winds you put on a pickup, the higher the DC resistance. The higher the resistance goes, the more high frequencies get removed. With pickup construction, it’s a balancing act between all the components of it’s construction.
It would be a bass pickup. That's approximately how many winds a jazz bass bridge pickup has with 42awg.
So does the winding on the bobbin actually make contact with the polepieces? That's always confused me about humbuckers because I know the polepieces thread into the plastic bobbin, so the wire is wound on the plastic, unlike a single coil where the wire is wrapped directly onto the slugs.
On single coils you want to insulate the poles with some tape or lacquer to separate the wire from them.
Matt Bellamy is my favorite p90 user
Thank you for this! 🙏
This was great, thank you. Do you have any parts supplier recommendations for us DIYers?
getenlightened Philadelphia Luthiers
Mojotone or Stewmac
I noticed you don't wrap the start wire inside of the coil and wind the wire over it!
Is there any reason for this that is beneficial to the sound or is this just easier for you as the winder???
Thanks!
I was going to ask the same question
Where did you get that winding machine appreciate a link if it does have? Thanks
Schuyler Dean Pickups, I'm confused about the Counter clockwise coils means that the motor is spinning counter clockwise? so its winding the pickup wire counter clockwise?
Counter-clockwise refers to the direction the windings are going on the bobbin, not the direction of the winder, which is actually opposite!
So are you saying that if the direction of the winder motor is going clockwise, The direction the windings are going on the bobbin is "opposite" going counter-clockwise?
@@waynegram8907 yes
oh ok I had no idea that the winders motor direction was going counter-clockwise to wind guitar pickup coils clockwise. I just thought the winders motor was going clockwise so the pickup coil would come out clockwise also, but its the opposite reverse.
@@waynegram8907 Just think of the direction of the wire going on the coil. Follow the wire from start to finish. maybe that will help you understand.
excellent and really informative channel. One question: When does the small strip of maple get installed in this build?
It goes under the slug side
Ok so, with 5,092 winds on one coil and 5,040 on the other coil is this humbucker considered to have 10k winds or 5k winds?
with the two coils wired in series, resistance is R1 + R2, so it would not be incorrect to call this 10K winds.
Great to see. Anything more than making a sandwich is beyond me. ;)
I'm not great at making sandwiches, ironically!
Anyone know where I can go to get a custom logo inked onto a pickup cover?
Wait what’s that at 16:15 ? You solder the ground cover to the plate? What if I don’t have that wire, should I solder the ground to the plate then?
I had the same question. I'm leaving a comment so if he answers you, hopefully I'll get the answer also.
@@rebelrog he didn’t answer on time, but yeah it has to be soldered to the plate. I bought that wire and is tricky to get it right in the corner without interfering with the bobbin spacer, so I think I’ll use a regular wire next time.
@@alannkevin Thank you!
wow
Stewmac lighter for shrinkwrap?.
Hi man, great video!!!
I'd like to ask you a thing, are the pole pieces magnetized or not?
Thanks best regards
pole pieces dont have to be magnetized if you have permanent magnets attached to them
Hey. I'm turning a sewing machine into a winding machine.
The thing turns in the opposite direction.
What difference does it make?
The simple solution would be to tape the bobbins upside down (I guess).
Reverse the polarity on the motor it'll spin in the opposite direction
I bet that flour makes the tone. Just ask the pros. wink wink
19:57 Are these pins on the oposite side os the screwes magnets too?
No potting ? I’ve had to pot so many humbuckers, as soon as you put pedals on they squeal uncontrollably.
I pot most of my pickups. I just didn't cover it in this video because I have a whole video on potting.
Schuyler Dean Pickups Ok , with nothing mentioned it just gave the idea that you didn’t pot the pickup , also , using bar magnet kits to build the pup isn’t really vintage , you should really use proper alinco poles showing how to magnetise them and maybe heavy formvar wire( but I’m sure you know this already ) good video 👍
@@ShawnCharles Nope. Vintage PAF humbuckers used bar magnets and steel poles. Plain enamel was also the wire of choice back then.
Schuyler Dean Pickups very very odd , I’ve worked on guitar pickups for almost 40 years , never seen a vintage humbucker with bar magnets , they have always had poles ( on Gibson’s anyway ) can’t speak for cheaper end stuff , it’s like bar magnets in single coils, they are always cheap end Chinese pickups , anything quality has pole magnets, but I’m going to do some digging anyway on the topic , to satisfy my own curiosity .
@@ShawnCharles All vintage humbuckers since the 50s have alnico or ceramic bar magnets under the coils and steel poles on the North side and adjustable poles on the South side. I would bet my career on it.
So my pickups copper is broken...
But i found another end to solder so will it work?
Probably not. Might be a good opportunity to try a rewind.
What brand is your winding machine?
18:43...What did you put before the second coil??? Its hidden by your hand!!!!
I think it was the wooden spacer he showed at 1:50 I hope this helps
Hey I was really hoping for some help. I'm doing one of those DIY kits humbucker kits (comes with no instructions yay...). It came with a pickup cable that has red, white, black, green, and bare. on the output end, Red and White are soldered together. Black and Shield are soldered together. On the pickup end where do they go? I put the shield to the baseplate. I put the input to the screwside bobbin on the baseplate. Where do red, white, black, and green go? I'm not going for any splitting or anything right now.
black- south start, white- south finish, green- north start, red- north finish.
Clockwise winds!?.... did not hear anything about wind direction and importance of such...
On traditional humbucker builds, all coils are wound counter clockwise. Stewmac has really good instructions with their humbucker kit page.
If you do the same directional wind you have to reverse the start/finish as he mentions. I’ve also built with the coils going opposite wind directions and it still works. It’s just about the direction the electricity flows
What gauge are the tiny 2" lead wires for the start/finish?
Pigtails are usually 28 gauge
Same direction for 2 humbuckers in series? (C) or (CC)?
He touches on that at the 9:20 mark 👍👍
Please do soe p90s👏👏👏
You got it!
You got it!
Great video! Is that a custom built winder?
No ,,, it is from the market and has a counter also ...
What brand model of Gauss meter are you using? Thanks
I got mine at McMAster-Carr. Here's the info:50-0-50 gauss 2 1/2" White Aluminum 8450T18 $166.25
Hi I am curious as to the coil lead wire awg and sizing as I cannot find any specs and do not want to use regular hookup wire as it is way too thick what size do you recommend?
Also I am loving these how to videos as I am preparing to do some winding so Thanks!
its going to be 42 or 43 for copying vintage pickups
@@grayson84111 thanks but I was specifically asking about the pigtail leads I am thinking 28 or 30
28 ga
Where can i buy the parts? thx
Why putting cover on a humbucker with zebra bobbin?
a lot of builders do that. They just make a bunch of zebra pickups, some are covered, some are not.
what does waxpotting got to do with a pickup
If you don't wax pot it you have the potential of getting feedback from your amp. Loud screeching because of vibration in the pickup.
Potting can help reduce microphonics and feedback at higher volumes. It does also make the pickup sound less lively and open. Old humbuckers were not potted. You may want a little vibration and the biggest cause of squeal is an empty spot between the cover and tops of the coils. A little piece of double stick tape there can often be enough for modern stage volumes and leave some life in the tone.
have you ever come across in your builds something you made was just different from the rest? I am kind of referring to something I heard about a "Ghost Sound" whats the deal
Keren
I love the from scratch title as you begin with store bought pick up components
Is it really built from scratch if it's made from sourced parts and is basically a kit?
I work with my limitations. I don't have an injection molder or a machine for stamping out covers and baseplates.
@@SchuylerDeanPickups Your video was well done and I'm sure you make an excellent product. To call what you do as "building from scratch" is a stretch, at best. There are guys in the FB builder's and winders page who actually do make pickups from scratch. It's the terminology I have a problem with. Good Luck. No offense intended other than your unfortunate choice of descriptive words.
@@johnsieff2921 Yeah, there are some people out there making really cool stuff with 3D printers and other technology. I used these parts because the manufacturers researched original PAFs extensively and produced some really accurate parts, better than I could have done.
John, i think you need to get a grip. If I'm building a guitar "from scratch", I'm not putting seeds in the earth,watering, and cutting the tree down to build the guitar.
Neither is gibson or fender, and they are building "from scratch"
So, john, why don't you go "scratch"
And where is the scratch??
Where should I buy all this. Come on this is your chance to make some Money at least take the time to put links in the description
StewMac has everything you need. I'm not affiliated with them in any way.
Its not plastic lol
33rd.
pardon?
From scratch? Lol. That's just a dissasembled one that you put back together.
So you expected to see him injection-mold the bobbins and fabricate the cover plate and magnets? Then extrude the wire? Like what did you expect, of course it's from parts.
He didn't disassemble one, he bought unused parts.
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I come here to hang out with you and learn something about guitar pickups.Cool vid watching and listening and then got to a part you switched to a Fast-Time Speed i.e. The scene" screwing in screws" Did you feel we would lose interest? Two things happened as a result. One is you disrupted the cool vibe of just hang'n out and secondly, you shortened the visit, it took time away , we could be hanging out..
Cut your video to 5 minutes it's super boring!, but great build!
Thanks Uriel, all relevant information IMO.
Glad it was this long. All the good details that 5 minute videos are sorely missing.
Great length and good information. Keep it long .
Americans and there pride 😑
What??? This is a video about guitar pickups. What part of this was about nationality