David Bentley Hart in conversation with Tony Golsby-Smith - Part 1, on Gregory of Nyssa
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2021
- People all over the world are rediscovering the great 4th century theologian, Gregory of Nyssa. David Bentley Hart is an unabashed admirer of the great Cappadocian Father calling him the most innovative theologian of the early church. In this first of three interviews on Gregory’s thought and influence, David introduces us to Gregory and explains why he was the so-called ‘pillar of orthodoxy’ and yet was also a thinker who took the gospel into the widest realm of any of the church fathers. Along the way, Tony and David compare Gregory with Coleridge, and explore the poetic eloquence which distinguished Gregory. They dive in some detail into Gregory’s masterpiece, “On the Making of Humanity” and David explains just how Gregory did nothing more profound than invent a new Christ centred anthropology - and cosmology - that rocked the ancient world.
When David said that God created the world in potencial, and that creation hasn't even begun yet, was pretty amazing. We always read genesis like it started in one place and time is linear
Agree! Our “slime” hasn’t even begun to experience “fullness” of theosis… 1 Corinthians 15:28 - “And, when all things have been subordinated to him, then will the Son himself also be subordinated to the one who has subordinated all things to him, so that God may be all in all.”
You might like to look at John Behr's work which coheres with this. The creation of "Adam and Eve", according to Irenaeus and Behr, was the beginning of God's 'project' which was only completed on the cross of Christ. The crucified Christ is "Adam". This is why in the Gospel of John Christ's last word is "tetelastai", which means "it is finished". What is finished? God's project to create Adam. What does the first project look like? The human being is the embodiment of pure love- and, in this fallen world, that love is self-sacrificial love. Behr writes about this far more persuasively than I can in a short post.
@@bayreuth79 Exactly! We won’t experience our completion until God is all in all! - 1 Corinthians 15:28 - “And, when all things have been subordinated to him, then will the Son himself also be subordinated to the one who has subordinated all things to him, so that God may be all in all.”
CS Lewis wrote ✍️ that we are statues waiting to come to true life. I always like that statement and I seem to understand it.
@@OrigenisAdamantios Have you heard of preterism? In context, Paul's letter to the Corinthians, especially in chapter 15, encourages his 1st century readers that they will soon receive "incorruptible spiritual bodies", "not made of flesh and blood." He and that generation of Christians anticipated, rightly so, that all things would be subordinate under Jesus Christ in the glory of God the Father. This means that we have been living in the "restoration of all things" (which should be taken spiritually and metaphorically, not physically) for the past 2000 years since the destruction of the old covenant kept safe in the temple, which was destroyed in AD 70. Jesus prophesied all of this would come upon His generation.
Hart never ceases to amaze. I've plowed through most of his internet presence and I've found him to be knowledgeable in both contemporary and historical schools regarding theology, philosophy, literature, biology, physics etc. Nuts.
He speaks Spanish, German, French, Latin, Ancient Greek, Modern Greek, Russian, Italian, Chinese and Sanskrit. He is crazy.
@@danielulisesalberdi7319 He uses self-deprecatory humor, but I'm sure he knows he's the smartest guy in the room most of the time. I'm sure he feels the responsibility to try and be humble about it, but the smugness creeps out at regardless lol. I say this as an admirer and fan, by the way.
@@koffeeblack5717 totally agree and I admire him, but to be fair he can be quite arrogant and his prose is bloated and convoluted -still looking forward to his next books though
He's incredibly based as well
@@carsonwall2400 Yes, he is based.
One of the best interviews I have watched with DBH. Tony is on board and has done his homework leaving the two of them amplifying each other's insights. This has really inspired me to start reading Gregory of Nyssa as well as Origen. Thanks so much for posting this.
Good grief ! I feel so blessed that I understood so much of this conversation and yet I’ve been warned that I wouldn’t be able to understand David’s books… Well enough of that ! I must find this Gregory book and so I’ll leave now and say read on ! 🕊🕊🕊🤍🏹🎚📕📕📕📕📕📕📕📕📕🏐🏐🏐⛳️⛳️⛳️🏐🏐
This is outstanding. Easily one of the most enjoyable, and informative interviews with Hart I’ve yet found. Thank you for doing/uploading this!
I cannot thank you enough for this, Tony! Wonderful to hear you two in dialogue - and I cannot wait for more!
Wonderful interview--one of the best with David Hart I have watched. Kudos to both Hart and Toby Golsby-Smith. I look forward to the next interview.
Excellent interview. Very enlightening for someone like me who's relatively new to this material. Thanks!
Great to hear this man. Thank You.
OOOOO - a new DB Hart chat. Thank you so much!
Awesome conversation can’t wait for the next parts
Finally a worthy interlocutor for DBH, this interview was insightful and profound and I cannot thank you enough for you work. Any chance you might know about DBH's forthcoming book You Are Gods? I can't find anything concrete anywhere though I've heard him mention it several times in podcasts and interviews. Thanks again, this upload was crucial.
Great work, Tony! Really enjoyed it and thanks for sharing!
I’m a Bentleyhartian theologian
Peregrine Fitzhugh, an American veteran of the Independence War, removed his household from Maryland to New York state, where he freed his household's slaves. Johns Hopkins, a mid-19th century American Quaker, freed his slaves and worked his own farm. Later, he founded Chesapeake and Ohio Railway and donated his wealth to found the University named for him.
Semi-divine humans was a very familiar feature of Greek myth. From the start of the empire, long before the 4th century, some Roman emperors were worshipped as divine.
Physics just know catching up with Gregory.
i see you have comments turned off for most of your videos, probably a good idea.
For an evangelical, Tony knows Gregory very well.
"... how Gregory did nothing more profound than invent a new Christ centred anthropology and cosmology that rocked the ancient world." Did you perhaps mean to say "nothing *less* profound than..."?
Or he was being ironic…
Does anyone know of an Christian Oneness Universalist theologian who is on the internet who teaches the Oneness Universalism ?
37:27...dizzying claim...for few years I have come to this firm conclusion that there is ONE SELF and Jesus Christ IS the one.The rest of us are strong or weaker echo of Him .
9:05 bookmark
This is spiritual treasure
It’s everyone .....or no one!
Sin is “no-thing”.
Gregory said that in the case of Judas the 'purgation' would be 'extended into infinity' because of the ingrained evil, therefore the doctrine of eternal torment would apply to some. Therefore it would seem that he was NOT a proponent of 'universal salvation'.
Infinity and eternity are not the same thing. At least not in Physics, because some infinities are bigger than others, implying that all "infinities" are just a very large number that we dont have the right mechanism to grasp its boundaries. Its like when some cosmologists use language of singularity or "infiinite density" referring to black holes and the big bang. This is just a limitation of language and of our mathematics, because nobody believe there is something really infinite inside a black hole.
Also ancient people used terms as infinity, eternity, thousands yers, etc, only as hyperbolic mythical language. Of course bronze age people would never understand it but, the very concept of an infinite punishment would only be possible in some sense if we are talking about normal matter. Because only matter is affected by time. If you are a photon, a particle of light, from your point of view, the universe, from the big bang to the far far future, would last just an instant.
So if you believe someone will be punished forever, you are assuming that person is made of ordinary matter under our current laws of physics. However, even in this case ITS IMPOSSIBLE a specific perdon suffering an eternal hell, because when that individual dies, if your sadistic god brings him/her back to keep the torture, there is no way it would be THE SAME PERSON. There are underline quantum factors that make it impossible. And if you claim those on hell are not made of normal matter, so time would not exist for them and the so called "eternity" would last only one instant.
Does anyone in the internet know of an Christian Oneness Universalist theologian who does Not believe in the Trinity but in the Oneness Universalism ?
Extremely poignant, methinks, that the steady sound of his learned and insightful ruminations, devoted to recovery of lost knowledge at the roots of Western civilization, is visually offset by the magnificent pictorial screen behind him, evidently of Oriental origin. Really quite distracting, it seems; indeed, this tension symbolizes our present world's sudden need for renewed awareness of humanity's universal commonality.
Why have you brought this heretic on?
more pointless waffle about your imaginary friend.