@Blahblahblaafmn I feel like most people who do use thunder crash and say that have terrible damage rotations or just don't know when to use it I've never had a big problem with being top of damage though prismatic will make it better for sure and base arc wasn't really that good compared to base solar hunter and base solar and strand warlock
@@FlowTidesmaybe increase the strength of the overshield or extend flight time + some kind of neutral trait that boosts super charge rate for arc kills or the damage of the aftershocks. Something similar to Hallowfire but for arc? There’s lots of options. Just feels kinda bad to be shoehorned into using an exotic that has no identity outside of “bigger number” Idk
Twilight just does it better unfortunately which is just a bummer because I loved being a t crash titan and I love the new super but sometimes superman slamming a boss is just part of the titan fantasy
With the damage shit like still hunt and needlestorm can do without requiring players to fly at the boss base tcrash should at least be at what is currently cuirass damage lol
Still needs help. Other supers almost beat it without star eaters. Not to the craziness that celestial has because that would be broken and I am tired of brokenness. I just want titan balance.
Titans are balance I think. The other two are broken. I think it’s less to do with balance rn and more to do with class identity. TDT just did a great video on the subject
@@archadawga6114TF are you on? Titan is def not balanced! Almost every meaningful exotic is center around melee abilities, and titans are the worst at it right now. Supers are subpar compared to Hunter and lock. Other than consecration and knockout, what else can you run that is decent in the prismatic kit? Balance my ass.
@archadawga6114 nope, titans are completely unbalanced. Their playstyle is insanely unreliable and a lot of times can't even be used on bosses, plus support they provide is a straight up trash, like you're actively sabotaging your team by taking support titan. Titans desperately need rework or BIG udjustments in both their abilities and melee viablity in general.
@@rageknight2340 Nah you’re right I’m so tired of them making titans the “melee” class when hunters can do it so much better currently. I want titans to be diverse, it makes me miss touch of thunder storm nades with HOIL so much.
@@AAce_87 BrodiER dont make me sad. I miss that build dearly… trust dodge, melee and nade. So much fun. Gosh, I hate how much better Hunter is at doing melee damage right now. Feels wrong!
They should buff Curiass and make it so you teleport back to where you activated your super so you don’t have to run back. You literally can’t use it against half the raid bosses
What a lot of people forget is that yes, it is a quick million damage, BUT it brings you into proximity of a boss. To get the full effect in a dps rotation, have to account for time spent in flying animation AND running back to your team to finish dps so that the boss doesn't stomp you T crash needs to do the damage of a cuirass t crash and make cuirass increase flight speed as well as grant damage reduction and overshield
Can't even be used on Witness, lmao, and half of the bosses on top of that. Plus Nova does the same or even more dmg without any exotic while being ranged and with a faster animation.
@bluejay___ ah? You throw it at his head whilst someone is diving him and it does double the dmage of needle easily lmao if ypur on lock and using needle for dmage you've no clue lmao
as far as im aware both exotics start working as soon as you pop super (you see the cuirass buff glorious charge as you pop), so this shoudnt work, but not sure tho
Still somehow the lowest titan damage super in the entire game even WITH all the stacking. Wild. Reminder, pre-surge update glacial quake ALONE does 1.25mil, and the amount of setup time vs the length that super takes is mitigated tbh.
Glacial Quake is not a good damage super. All of that is assuming perfect conditions aswell as the boss being large enough to take full damage. Plus it takes 12-15 seconds to use. That’s almost half of a whole damage phase wasted in your super.
The classic "I'm going to ignore anything that doesn't suit my narrative" take; does it really not matter to you that thundercrash is instant, vs. 15 seconds of spamming right click or, god forbid, slide melee spamming (which isn't hard but not automatic either) for Glacial Quake? You're just intentionally dumbing down the comparison until you can say "yah TC is weak because X super does more, ignoring all other factors".
Titan has never been in a good spot when the 3.0 subclasses started rolling out. We HAD an identity when the subclass were distinct codes, but now with how they are now, the other two can do what we do, AND BE BETTER AT IT, from perks and aspects, to exotics!
@theeternalslayer9513 kind of. Titan identity and design was ruined with 3.0, execpt for void. It was just bandaged by Hoil storm nades, lorelely, syntho bonk and the other powerful builds. All that has been tuned down, and we see the taped together skeleton today
@@ianmills6260 What, so we can have an eternal cycle of complaint-based nerfs and buffs? Were you around for the 2-3 years that Nighthawk was literally useless and trumped by almost every other damage super? If the only reasoning is "it's not as good as the best one-shot super", you're just begging for the table to be turned and for people to start bitching about how "TC is overpowered because now it beats GG".
Twilights better or even more so though it's situational is glacial. Titan stasis combined with star eaters does insane damage thunder crash needs a buff badly
Uhh you guys do know that nighthawk needed a buff because of falling star damage right? I’m not trying to throw shade but we remember that time right maybe? ❓❓❓
Not sure why nighthawk needed a buff… sure it did less i guess, but hello? Time to use and danger? Titans HAVE to be on said boss to do the damage, whilst nighthawk. POP! Aim, boom. All whilst in the back…
@@neb5939 The thing is that Nighthawk did so little damage that there were base single use supers that were able to match it or flat out surpass it. There were ways to improve it but it needed the right set of people with the right bosses (ones with really high crit multipliers). Even now with the damage buff, it doesn’t actually do much more than other supers on it’s own. Currently BASE cataclysm Nova Bomb (no buffs or exotic) around 377000 and Nighthawk does around 385000 The only reason people are going crazy for Nighthawk right now is because of how well it works with Still Hunt and because we don’t have access to Blade Barrage/Gathering Storm on Prismatic.
Honestly, I hope Bungie buff all super for the Titan, the base damage is just tragic. Hopefully, with the buffs announced the class will perform better in PVE, right now it's pretty much 75% Hunters, 12% Warlock and maybe 3% Titans and it makes me sad. I will try to get a class item with Star Eater and Cuirass. I don't even know if it exists but for Thundercrash that would be great.
There is no cuirass. Titan exclusives are armatarium (Idk how to spell it), ursa (The unbreakable part), Eternal (25% buff after super), Abeyant, Hoarfrost, and Khepri. The rest are the class shared ones I believe.
I always see you do this but why do you add unesscessary dmg in. Like melees and nades and I'm not talking about the one time use to pproc buffs but why are you throwing multiple nades and doing multiple melees lmao. Ive notice this with so many of your "DMG test" videos. You arent giving raw dmg.
Its insane how lacking in logic this Super is in terms of its damage Its an impractical Nova Bomb.. and does like.. half the damage Even with Eternal Warrior, youd Super... then have to jump back to do DPS. The only weapon that would work, and actually MIGHT have some strong viability is something like Bequest or Acrius, but beyond that?? You literally cant use it on like 60% of raid bosses
The best combo imho is Inmost Light + Star Eater in ANY situation. You'll have the best neutral game of the entire game: Ability regen for just playing your class and a decent chunk of super damage when it's ready. For me, this is the roll Im chasing, but very tired of the game to have the energy to farm jt
Inmost is insanely buggy and doesn't work with most abilities rn and sometimes even if it does the perk still won't activate consistently. Plus the nerf to it kinda killed it. You use your thruster/barricade, melee, grenade and you only take like 10 seconds off of your grenade and melee and like 4 seconds off your class ability cooldown a lot of effort just to barely get a better cooldown.
@@wintereclipse3263 it will be fixed. Inmost is the most neutral of them all which is good. What is better, to have one exotic perk entirely build on one ability and dedicate your whole build around maintaining it's cooldown, or just playing the game as it is and getting a decent reward for it? If you run on prismatic, get the strand melee and you'll be able to have it at a decent amount of time too
@@Spinworth Rn my build is basically just infinite grenades and melees I could also get infinite prismatic but I'm still not used to it and keep forgetting to pop prismatic. This is without inmost. Though I guess with the options Titans have versus Warlock and Hunter you might as well go for Inmost since there's like no better perk for the Titan version except maybe Eternal for dps especially since it means you can use your 3 slots for other perks
@@wintereclipse3263 ah true, titanwise I think this is the best neutral. Hunter and Warlock have far better active skills and abilities that trigger from doing the most basic things. I'd recommend prismatic (even tho its the weakest of the 3) with the strand melee for various Inmost light procs
Prismatic titan is well below the line this season even devs have said it is testing on old content doesnt so how bad titan is behind hunter and warlock and im a life titan main and i feel weak compared to the other two classes this season i hold my own even in the hardest content but they out shine me by far.
No, first the video was to show numbers of each, and second star eaters can be paired with something like eternal warrior as he stated in the video which is a 4x surge meaning you'd have better damage with star eaters than with curiass if you are using weapons following the super
@hectornieves537 oh trust me I'm a advocate for twilight arsenal. I am not disagreeing that it definitely is better I just wanted to make a point and to be fair of you do an activity with a arc surge then t crash might be better albeit barely
Thundercrash is still one of the best burst damage supers in the game and prismatic just adds free damage that isn't hard to setup.
I have the star eater and eternal warrior roll. It's amazing. Can't wait for prismatic titan to be even better.
Yet according to Reddit and every other youtube comment TC is worthless, does zero damage, and kills your entire family when you cast it 😂😂
@Blahblahblaafmn I feel like most people who do use thunder crash and say that have terrible damage rotations or just don't know when to use it I've never had a big problem with being top of damage though prismatic will make it better for sure and base arc wasn't really that good compared to base solar hunter and base solar and strand warlock
@@eduardosandoval5286 Unfortunately you're nerfing your thundercrash damage by 32% by using star eaters and not cuirass of the falling star
The weapon buff makes up for it with eternal warrior. But yes thunder crash needs a buff considering the power creep
Base thundercrash damage needs a buff
base thunder crash should be the same as with cuirass
@douglaswalker7707 what would be the point of cuirass then?
@@FlowTidesmaybe increase the strength of the overshield or extend flight time + some kind of neutral trait that boosts super charge rate for arc kills or the damage of the aftershocks. Something similar to Hallowfire but for arc? There’s lots of options.
Just feels kinda bad to be shoehorned into using an exotic that has no identity outside of “bigger number” Idk
@@douglaswalker7707preach
@@FlowTidescuirass buffs that damage, so it'd be even better. They're saying make base damage the same as cuirass damage now.
Twilight just does it better unfortunately which is just a bummer because I loved being a t crash titan and I love the new super but sometimes superman slamming a boss is just part of the titan fantasy
Have u ever thudercrashed into giant shank, brig or shrieker?
@@drosera3577 t crashing to those brings back memories
Give titan anything other than a nerf please Bungie
On arc it shouldn’t need a hot swap exotic to be usable
“Usable” lmao meta slaves are crazy
With the damage shit like still hunt and needlestorm can do without requiring players to fly at the boss base tcrash should at least be at what is currently cuirass damage lol
Still needs help. Other supers almost beat it without star eaters. Not to the craziness that celestial has because that would be broken and I am tired of brokenness. I just want titan balance.
Titans are balance I think. The other two are broken. I think it’s less to do with balance rn and more to do with class identity. TDT just did a great video on the subject
@@archadawga6114TF are you on? Titan is def not balanced! Almost every meaningful exotic is center around melee abilities, and titans are the worst at it right now. Supers are subpar compared to Hunter and lock. Other than consecration and knockout, what else can you run that is decent in the prismatic kit? Balance my ass.
@archadawga6114 nope, titans are completely unbalanced.
Their playstyle is insanely unreliable and a lot of times can't even be used on bosses, plus support they provide is a straight up trash, like you're actively sabotaging your team by taking support titan.
Titans desperately need rework or BIG udjustments in both their abilities and melee viablity in general.
@@rageknight2340 Nah you’re right I’m so tired of them making titans the “melee” class when hunters can do it so much better currently. I want titans to be diverse, it makes me miss touch of thunder storm nades with HOIL so much.
@@AAce_87 BrodiER dont make me sad. I miss that build dearly… trust dodge, melee and nade. So much fun. Gosh, I hate how much better Hunter is at doing melee damage right now. Feels wrong!
I would love to see Cuirass have another secondary use, like the way they buffed Celestial to reward more super energy on top of its main use.
Make it buff ballistic slam
Cruiass should modify ballistic slam in some way. Both of those were og code of the missile. Would give arc titan some more flavor too
They should buff Curiass and make it so you teleport back to where you activated your super so you don’t have to run back. You literally can’t use it against half the raid bosses
What a lot of people forget is that yes, it is a quick million damage, BUT it brings you into proximity of a boss. To get the full effect in a dps rotation, have to account for time spent in flying animation AND running back to your team to finish dps so that the boss doesn't stomp you
T crash needs to do the damage of a cuirass t crash and make cuirass increase flight speed as well as grant damage reduction and overshield
They could have added star eating scales + falling star and it wouldncook so hard
what are the aspect and fragment you were using
Can't even be used on Witness, lmao, and half of the bosses on top of that.
Plus Nova does the same or even more dmg without any exotic while being ranged and with a faster animation.
if you're using nova on witness you're trolling
@@bluejay___ sure, bud, whatever you say
@@morsperferro3419 You literally are, use the strand one.
Nova bomb does a sizeable amount more than needlestorm, throw it at the head and it doesn't block bullets
@bluejay___ ah? You throw it at his head whilst someone is diving him and it does double the dmage of needle easily lmao if ypur on lock and using needle for dmage you've no clue lmao
test is wrong, its with arc surges. Llama did tests and there it did 433K damage with cuirass instead of 570K
Does they damage increase if you pop TC with Star Eater class item and swap to Curiass mid flight?
as far as im aware both exotics start working as soon as you pop super (you see the cuirass buff glorious charge as you pop), so this shoudnt work, but not sure tho
What’s the ergo sum roll u have in this video?
Wave frame w/ arc conductor
can we see how conditional finality performs with facet of ruin?
Honestly… I feel like Star Eaters would be good if you want to pair it with another spirit like Bear or as you said Eternal Warrior
Even though star eater does less damage, I like star eater better because it has another exotic ability on the class item.
Can you do outbreak perfected against witness ?
Thank you I was waiting for someone to upload this!!
Funnily enough the void one does more damage with star eaters so use that instead.
What if u use star eater and mid supper switch to falling star ? if this works it's a gg
Still somehow the lowest titan damage super in the entire game even WITH all the stacking. Wild. Reminder, pre-surge update glacial quake ALONE does 1.25mil, and the amount of setup time vs the length that super takes is mitigated tbh.
Glacial quake isn't good for a whole host of bosses, don't pretend it's in the same league
Glacial Quake is not a good damage super. All of that is assuming perfect conditions aswell as the boss being large enough to take full damage. Plus it takes 12-15 seconds to use. That’s almost half of a whole damage phase wasted in your super.
The classic "I'm going to ignore anything that doesn't suit my narrative" take; does it really not matter to you that thundercrash is instant, vs. 15 seconds of spamming right click or, god forbid, slide melee spamming (which isn't hard but not automatic either) for Glacial Quake? You're just intentionally dumbing down the comparison until you can say "yah TC is weak because X super does more, ignoring all other factors".
All that to barely keep up with GG. Titan is so cooked rn.
Titan has never been in a good spot when the 3.0 subclasses started rolling out. We HAD an identity when the subclass were distinct codes, but now with how they are now, the other two can do what we do, AND BE BETTER AT IT, from perks and aspects, to exotics!
@theeternalslayer9513 kind of. Titan identity and design was ruined with 3.0, execpt for void. It was just bandaged by Hoil storm nades, lorelely, syntho bonk and the other powerful builds. All that has been tuned down, and we see the taped together skeleton today
Cuirass does more than gg, no?
@dezman311 god no. It's like 70% of celestial iirc. It needs buffs badly.
@@ianmills6260 What, so we can have an eternal cycle of complaint-based nerfs and buffs? Were you around for the 2-3 years that Nighthawk was literally useless and trumped by almost every other damage super? If the only reasoning is "it's not as good as the best one-shot super", you're just begging for the table to be turned and for people to start bitching about how "TC is overpowered because now it beats GG".
Twilights better or even more so though it's situational is glacial. Titan stasis combined with star eaters does insane damage thunder crash needs a buff badly
Uhh you guys do know that nighthawk needed a buff because of falling star damage right? I’m not trying to throw shade but we remember that time right maybe? ❓❓❓
That was many seasons ago
@@sinofwrath698 I guess we have a new era then finally all three classes have a burst damage super.
@@sinofwrath698pretty sure that was just last season.
Not sure why nighthawk needed a buff… sure it did less i guess, but hello? Time to use and danger? Titans HAVE to be on said boss to do the damage, whilst nighthawk. POP! Aim, boom. All whilst in the back…
@@neb5939
The thing is that Nighthawk did so little damage that there were base single use supers that were able to match it or flat out surpass it. There were ways to improve it but it needed the right set of people with the right bosses (ones with really high crit multipliers).
Even now with the damage buff, it doesn’t actually do much more than other supers on it’s own. Currently BASE cataclysm Nova Bomb (no buffs or exotic) around 377000 and Nighthawk does around 385000
The only reason people are going crazy for Nighthawk right now is because of how well it works with Still Hunt and because we don’t have access to Blade Barrage/Gathering Storm on Prismatic.
Base Thundercrash should be the highest DMG one off super in the game and I will argue on this point if anyone is interested.
Isn't it?
Day 6 oryx vs still hunt celestial 4 bombs plzzzzz
Honestly, I hope Bungie buff all super for the Titan, the base damage is just tragic. Hopefully, with the buffs announced the class will perform better in PVE, right now it's pretty much 75% Hunters, 12% Warlock and maybe 3% Titans and it makes me sad. I will try to get a class item with Star Eater and Cuirass. I don't even know if it exists but for Thundercrash that would be great.
There is no cuirass. Titan exclusives are armatarium (Idk how to spell it), ursa (The unbreakable part), Eternal (25% buff after super), Abeyant, Hoarfrost, and Khepri. The rest are the class shared ones I believe.
Thundercrash is such a joke these days. Thanks Bungie for keeping Titans irrelevant in all content.
Sees title, watches video, "Do Not reccomened this channel"
To bad there’s not a spirit of falling star to pair with star eater
Got blessed with Eternal & stars
It is stupid good I love it. I'm doing more damage then these still hunter hunters now 🙏🏿
cuirass has loss its value when they nerf it. the titan stasis super does more damage paired with syntho, even in it's prismatic form.
I always see you do this but why do you add unesscessary dmg in. Like melees and nades and I'm not talking about the one time use to pproc buffs but why are you throwing multiple nades and doing multiple melees lmao. Ive notice this with so many of your "DMG test" videos. You arent giving raw dmg.
Someone talking about spirit of eternal warrior + star eaters other than me. Finally.
Its insane how lacking in logic this Super is in terms of its damage
Its an impractical Nova Bomb.. and does like.. half the damage
Even with Eternal Warrior, youd Super... then have to jump back to do DPS. The only weapon that would work, and actually MIGHT have some strong viability is something like Bequest or Acrius, but beyond that??
You literally cant use it on like 60% of raid bosses
Didn't use cuirass right get low health then activate thundercrash and it's gets the bonus damage
You're thinking of the artifact mod.
The best combo imho is Inmost Light + Star Eater in ANY situation. You'll have the best neutral game of the entire game: Ability regen for just playing your class and a decent chunk of super damage when it's ready. For me, this is the roll Im chasing, but very tired of the game to have the energy to farm jt
Inmost is insanely buggy and doesn't work with most abilities rn and sometimes even if it does the perk still won't activate consistently. Plus the nerf to it kinda killed it. You use your thruster/barricade, melee, grenade and you only take like 10 seconds off of your grenade and melee and like 4 seconds off your class ability cooldown a lot of effort just to barely get a better cooldown.
@@wintereclipse3263 it will be fixed. Inmost is the most neutral of them all which is good. What is better, to have one exotic perk entirely build on one ability and dedicate your whole build around maintaining it's cooldown, or just playing the game as it is and getting a decent reward for it?
If you run on prismatic, get the strand melee and you'll be able to have it at a decent amount of time too
@@Spinworth Rn my build is basically just infinite grenades and melees I could also get infinite prismatic but I'm still not used to it and keep forgetting to pop prismatic. This is without inmost. Though I guess with the options Titans have versus Warlock and Hunter you might as well go for Inmost since there's like no better perk for the Titan version except maybe Eternal for dps especially since it means you can use your 3 slots for other perks
@@wintereclipse3263 ah true, titanwise I think this is the best neutral. Hunter and Warlock have far better active skills and abilities that trigger from doing the most basic things. I'd recommend prismatic (even tho its the weakest of the 3) with the strand melee for various Inmost light procs
Still need a buff cuirass and base
AXIAL LACUNA vs CAITL pls
Prismatic titan is well below the line this season even devs have said it is testing on old content doesnt so how bad titan is behind hunter and warlock and im a life titan main and i feel weak compared to the other two classes this season i hold my own even in the hardest content but they out shine me by far.
No. This is still worse than Curiass, and is the same as Arc Thundercrash. Thundercrash is awful and is worse than 3x Still Hunt at base.
Uh... So cuirass is better?
I have this roll on the class item 🙏🔥
So this whole vid was pointless if Curiass is just better.
No, first the video was to show numbers of each, and second star eaters can be paired with something like eternal warrior as he stated in the video which is a 4x surge meaning you'd have better damage with star eaters than with curiass if you are using weapons following the super
@cctutt3570 I have the roll telling you rn if you're using star eater with t crash you're selling. Just use the axes and put the crash to bed.
@hectornieves537 oh trust me I'm a advocate for twilight arsenal. I am not disagreeing that it definitely is better I just wanted to make a point and to be fair of you do an activity with a arc surge then t crash might be better albeit barely
nah
those clickbait titles just for the damage to be pathetic.
Keep in mind everyone you can pair Cuirass with star eater, same thing with hunters nighthawk + Star eater = Inzane damadge
Only one exotic can be worn at a time.