Sweden's First Modern Aircraft | SAAB 17 [Aircraft Overview #25]
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- The SAAB 17 was the first all-metal aircraft developed in Sweden. It was also to be the first aircraft built by SAAB, who had only been formed on the 2nd of April 1937. After a small issue around the wings (they liked to break in fast dives), the aircraft entered service in 1941-42.
Originally concieved as a reconnaissance aircraft, it was also expanded to fill the role of a light bomber. The aircraft came as a landplane or a seaplane, and could even have its landing gear replaced with skis for snowy weather (Because Sweden). Though it didn't really see much action, it still had a distinguished career, both with Sweden and later the Ethiopian Air Force.
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F.A.Q Section
Q: Do you take aircraft requests?
A: I have a list of aircraft I plan to cover, but feel free to add to it with suggestions:)
Q: Why do you use imperial measurements for some videos, and metric for others?
A: I do this based on country of manufacture. Imperial measurements for Britain and the U.S, metric for the rest of the world, but I include text in my videos that convert it for both.
Q: Will you include video footage in your videos, or just photos?
A: Video footage is very expensive to licence, if I can find footage in the public domain I will try to use it, but a lot of it is hoarded by licencing studies (British Pathe, Periscope films etc). In the future I may be able to afford clips :)
Q: Why do you sometimes feature images/screenshots from flight simulators?
A: Sometimes there are not a lot of photos available for certain aircraft, so I substitute this with digital images that are as accurate as possible.
Feel free to leave you questions below - I may not be able to answer all of them, but I will keep my eyes open :)
Don't know if they're on your list, but they are interesting, the Tarrant Tabor and the Linke-Hoffman R.8/15 would be great to see. Apparently a pilot described the latter as 'not an aircraft, but a sickness' or words to that effect!
I'd be interested in Polish aircraft of the 30s.
Thank you so much for covering this aircraft it's one of my favorite lesser known planes!! If at all possible could you cover the finnish aircraft that looks similar to the bf109? (the name is so complicated I won't try to spell it)
@@zxbzxbzxb1 The Tabor is on my list, but I have now added the R.8/15 too :)
@@mdcampbell7360 I've got a few video scripts half finished on some Polish designs, I'm just waiting on a book to arrive that covers some of the finer details :)
Having served in the Swedish airforce, and having an interest in aircraft history, I found this video very interesting. I've read about the first SAAB plane but the video makes history more alive.
What aircraft did you fly if you have
About three years ago, while waiting for amuch delayed friend just outside Linköping, I saw the airworthy B17 flying around the city. I dunno why it was up there, but I was surprised at how long it was buzzing around. Well over 45 minutes. It was flying surprisingly low. The sound of the engine was spectacular!
B17 or B17?
Living in Linköping, and a former SAAB employee. It was nice to see this video.
The airworthy B17 pops up in the sky, now and then. Saw it a cpl of months ago, training or doing a display over malmen airfield. Fun to see they give it a proper go, now and then.
Fun fact: After WWII when demand for warplanes decreased and SAAB started producing cars they painted them with leftover aircraft paint, and continued paint the cars in these colours up through the 60's. My father had such a light blue SAAB car when I was a child, and in my garage I still have ½ a small can of original light blue paint from the SAAB company. Perhaps some vintage car owner could use it?
The old SAAB cars are definitely really cool, with some real oddball stuff like a 2-Stroke sports car.
That paint is probably long gone.
@@pontushaggstrom6261 Yes for sure. I guess it only lasted for some years, but then they seem to have kept the colour scheeme after the original paint ran out. My father's late 1960s SAAB was light sky-blue, like underneath a warplane's wings. I still have a small can of original SAAB paint. It has been opened but there's still liquid inside. I guess it's about half full.
That landing gear setup is actually pretty cool
Meh, ugly engineering hack to save money and make life easier. It’s hideous and cheap IMHO.
Weirdly most people like the wings of a dive bomber to stay with the plane when it’s diving, apart from that, it seems to be a successful aircraft!!
Meh wings are overrated me thinks
Wings only cause drag when diving. The tail is more than adequate to steer.
The upside to having the wings fall off in the dive is that now the whole plane is a dive bomb. BANZAI !!!
@@unknowntraveller8633
That kind of thinking led to the F-104.
An interesting little plane! It bears some resemblance to the SB2c.
I thought it looked more like some Vought aircraft, like the OS2U Kingfisher. The tail especially reminds me of that plane and the F4U Corsair.
@@DABrock-author Yes, true!
More SAABs please! Good stuff.
Absolutely love you covering the more outlandish designs of the interwar period!
From the time i found this a/c in Green's 1955 Combat Aircraft, w/ that big American greenhouse canopy & clean look, it was a favorite
I owned a Saab once, the car, not the aircraft, although I bought it because of the aircraft.
It was an old Saab 900 OG and a fun machine to drive. We painted it army green and gave it Swedish military markings.
I still have my 1985 Saab 900 and had an 86 turbo 900 yrs ago...
Pretty elaborate aircraft for a first try, therefore leading to my wondering where they obtained the engineering expertise, and you answered my question. It looks a bit like a Vultee or Vought design. Great presentation.
ASJA (the aircraft department of the Swedish Railway Workshop) hired some American engineers in the mid 1930’s. ASJA got merged with other Swedish aviation interests to form SAAB…
ASJA also built North American NA-16 trainers (the ancestor of the Texan) and Northrop 8A-1 (A-17) under license.
The prototype of the Ju87 was built in Sweden. They had a large aircraft industry by then.
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They also supplied Nazi Germany with Iron Ore throughout the war. Neutral country but pro Nazi indeed
@@loveofmangos001 not pro nazi
@@loveofmangos001 And where else would they get coal from, with Germany occupying Denmark and Norway on one side and the Soviet Union at war with Finland on the other? Welcome to the real world.
Best cars and best modern fighters, produced in south a small country, is extremely impressive.
My country had the J 35J Draken.
Actually I one day observed two of them, playing fight over my nabouring fjord.
One thing I observed was the cobra maneuvers.
I recognize that my memories are way later than this great video.
I just couldn't help it.
From the USA, and as a former kid from the '70's, the Draken impressed me as quite the cool airplane. There were some flying in California many years ago at the National Test Pilot School in the city of Mojave, but not recently.
I miss saab cars. My family had a 1986 9000 turbo, manual transmission in a metallic silver blue which changed from silver to blue depending on light and angle, which had purple velour interior, an 87 non turbo dark red with beige velour interior and an automatic trans, and a turbo automatic 1988 9000 in thr same red with beige/tan leather interior. The manual one was my favorite to drive but i always lusted over a white one which was also turbo manual with black velour i used to see often in town. We had those cars for many years. Untill 2009. We would have kept them forever but it became difficult to keep the electronics working as the hot australian summers here made the plastic sheathing on the wiring loom in the dashboard all crumble off the wire and caused short circuits and intermittant faults. Aside from that. They were the nicest non japanese car ive ever owned, and i would love to have another one someday. Perhaps one that has spent more time in a garage than outside. I would get another wiring loom made to suit it so there was no risk of fire or of the car turning off at random.
Best cars and best modern fighters? lol wow. 🤣 Their car division is bankrupt and had bizarre unreliable vehicles for decades; their aircraft division’s “crowning achievement” is a non-stealth 1980s-era short-range fighter in the Gripen.
No, just… no.
@@EstorilEm Do you feel better now?
@@EstorilEm The car division was separated quite early, and funnily enough, was never profitable.
It was always owned by other companies who basically bought it and used it for their research and that's one reason why many SAAB cars had unusual and inventive features.
Love love love these videos! I have been introduced to so many unique and lesser known aircraft thanks to you. Thanks so much for taking the time to makes these!
Always intriguing to see something about the WWII-vintage aircraft of 'other' countries, so thanks for this, Rex! I very often think that France is also certainly another one of those 'other' countries and occasionally Italy, too, strays into that 'other' territory. I wonder if it's anything to do with the excellent site by Sweden's Håkan Gustavsson on the last of the biplane aces in the earlier years of WWII ('Håkan's Aviation page') that makes Sweden so intriguing in this respect.
Another great video. How about looking into the Romanian airforce and planes.
I support this idea the IAR 81 is an amazing plane
Romanian planes are on my list :)
Please do more Saab aircraft - thanks.
I’m slowly watching all your videos during my lunch breaks at work these are the best
3:46 what a splendid landing gear
Get ready for a boost in views. MSFS just released a B17A for their new world update.
As recently as last Friday, these ladders / platforms from production were useful at my workplace. 😎👌
I noticed them myself; I am both a tradesman ans collector of older equipment...
The Drakken is definitely one of the coolest looking delta (can it be called a delta wing airplane?) wing jets around. Good to see SAAB got off to a good start.
One “k” in Draken. But yes, a double or cracked delta.
@@903lew aah. Thought I misspelled it but wasn't sure lol.
Looks so much better than a full delta wing.
The question remains, why would any competent engineer go with a Delta wing when trying to design a fast but short field capable aircraft? It worked out real well and is arguably the best fighter jet of its generation but their was no way to predict that it would work out so well beforehand.
One of the nicest looking production jets ever.
dorito wing
Great to se you cover the SAAB B17! Cheers from Sweden!
I enjoy your channel very much. Thank you.
Hey! It's the flying T Rex of war thunder fame! Great to see your now moving into aviation history.
l love all your posts explicit and well detailed THANKS
I love a good saab story.
Thats a unique landing gear arraignment, like the P-40 but they didnt swivel 90 degrees. Saab's first fighter the J-22 also had a unique landing gear with the hinge points being in the fuselage (the smartest place to put them), this makes the aircraft significantly lighter, one of the reasons the Spitfire and the ME-109 were great. They had the best power to weight ratios throughout the war. The Spitfire ended the war with the best climb rate even though the 109k had a better power to weight ratio because it was under propellered.
SAAB didn't make the J22, FFVS made those...
great choice ! swedish aviation has a fantastic history
Your videos make me miss playing WarThunder...
Was attracted 2 this a/c by it's strangely misplaced American look, suspect the P&W engines might have had an influence, but now attribute this 2 the shortlived Yank design presence.
Your rate & unique quality of production of these videos is amazing 💜.
I love that landing gear fairing
Finaly you cover some of our aircraft, noice
Does anyone else here think that this plane has a definite "Japanese" aircraft profile?
Your doing a great job with this youtube channel!
Thank you for posting Imperial numbers, for those of us still learning Metric.
i've never heard much about Vickers Windsor, Thanks.
That was a really good WW2 aircraft.
Sweden would be unstoppable if it interfened in ww2 stronger than the nazis soviets czechs slovaks and even the americans
Hey rex,wow landing gear with"skirts", great vid👍👊
Very good looking plane.
After vowing to minimize my subscriptions. I just subscribed to your swell channel.
Thank you Rex
Very interesting video. Saabs car adverts never indicated that they ever made any aircraft, oh wait... 🤭
Just for your information Rex, my right hand has developed a sort of Pavlov's Dog reflex in that when my eye scans across "Rex's Hangar" it clicks on the video without informing either my mind or body.
The only other subscribe that gets that response is _Drachinifel._
Thanks for all your work and Cheers from E. Ontario, Canada, another land of moose and snow but sadly no aircraft industry, damit.
Very neat design
I really like your videos.
Thank you
If you ever decide to make videos on jets, could you consider to make a video about the Javelin, as it’s my favorite plane ever
A good and well-researched episode! But, the info that the wings could fall of while diving, I've never heard of that. So I did some research, found no such thing mentioned. I then proceeded to look up the individual history of each of the first 90(!) aircraft produced. There were no wing breakage, actually there wasn't any wing failure of any kind during their service life.
I think you must have confused the B17 and the B16. The Caproni B16 was infamous in Swedish service, with some instances of wings coming off, which considering it wasn't at all built for dive bombing isn't all that surprising.
A true SAAB story.
Hope you'll do the J-21.
Wheeeeeeeeee! Next, do one on the Draken! 😁
That's a pretty trick idea with the landing gear covers
Wow. Talking about a rugged airplane. Hats off for the Swedish.
can you do J22 aswell? it's a wonderful aircraft and i'd like you to cover it up in this channel!
We only know SAAB as maker of cars.
But they also made military aircraft such as the 17 and later on The Draken …
Be sure to do videos on other SAAB aircraft
Good video
Literally all Swedish made combat aircraft were made by Saab.
No “we” don’t. 🤦♂️
They made a number of highly successful regional turboprop aircraft as well; 340 and 2000 specifically.
@@EstorilEm okay, so they made more than fighters, what other airplanes did they make and when did they start making cars?
It’s a very interesting company
@@robertdragoff6909 ; Wikipedia exists for a reason. Don't be so complacent.
@@FirstDagger just asking to start a conversation
It's interesting to compare this to the Douglas DB8a, designed by Jack Northrop, which entered Swedish service in 1938, licence-built by ASJA and, later, SAAB. While the SAAB B17 isn't a simple case of reverse engineering it seems likely that many lessons were drawn from the DB8a. It would be interesting to know if any of the 48 or so American engineers involved in development of the SAAB B17 had some connection with Northrop, Douglas, or the licence building arrangement for the DB8a.
I'm thinking the same thing. See my other comment.
I would guess that the Italian engine was the Piaggio P. XI which was a licensed version of the Gnome-Rhone 14K/N. Sweden had purchased some 50 Regianne Re-2000 Falco that used this engine.
Yeesss ! First and about my favourite aircraft company
Remained in service till 1969 with Eithopia
Yep! The "other" B-17. 😁
Nice. And I'm not surprised American designers were brought in on this project. There's something positively Vultee-ish about that plane.
the B17 from the swedish air force museum flies quite often over our house! tho wish they would repaire the B18 dive Bomber.. and fly it!
It's such a shame that Saab the car-company went down under. Such an peculiar company with quite rather interesting cars. And planes!
If they were any good, they wouldn’t have gone under. They were basically a bad version of 1990s Volvos lmao. Complex, unreliable, poor performance (even the Aeros) and priced as a “luxury” car. Plus good luck finding a dealership nearby… impossible to find parts and no mechanic wanted to touch them with a 10’ pole, had a ton of teething issues from major engine problems to rust and paint stuff.
It’s not a shame that they went under lol, if you can’t compete and have a crap product, you’re not going to be successful.
One does wonder whether the wings detached before or after the bomb was released. The pilot would be presented with some interesting options.
Experimental weight-shedding technology lol
Congrats for your very interesting work. Videos talking about WW2 era planes from neutral countries are uncommon AFAIK. Do you plan to focus on this category ?
Last summer (2021), only flyingworth example flyed in Helsinki Airshow, Finland.
According to Jane's Sweden was able to coax 1600bhp from the R1830. Can you look into that?
I love the series. I would have liked to know how an aircraft of this type manages to use a bombsight though. I have looked at pictures and can't see a window that could be used for the purpose.
The Italian engine you elegantly did not name was the Piaggio P.XI (11) RC.40D rated at 1000 hp, which was a license built version of the Gnome Rhone Mistral Major 14K. And Piaggio is pronounced Peeah-Joe.
AMAZINGNES!!!
Saab was built with german engineers. Saab also used German WW2 developments regarding earo dynamics on anomg other wing designs. This was smart. They didnt re-invent the wheel.
You have to wonder whether any of those US designers/engineers worked for Chance Vought. That empennage is almost a one-for-one copy of the OS2U Kingfisher.
Interesting aircraft. Looks a bit like the Brewster SB2A Buccaneer. Except for the odd looking undercarriage. They remind me of the waders worn by fishermen.
Lovely.
Reminds me of the Curtis SB2C.
Good Evening Everyone
I enjoy this plane in warthunder.
@RexsHangar >>> 👍👍
I would hazard a guess that the American designers were brought in from Chance Vought, they are more then few similarities to a Corsair.
SAAB made some great cars from 80-2010 also
They made great cars starting in the 40s....
A plane which looks a bit clunky on the ground but actually good in the air!
Nohab being involved in aircraft building is a bit a surprise to me, as they were far more known from building locomotives, ships and heavy machinery.
Add to that: ASJ is far more known for building railway coaches (and locomotives)
Can you cover the polish air force I think it would be interesting given how in some ways the polish air force was very modern in some way and obsolite in other ways.
I think I love the design of this plane. I also love that they gave it an annoying name to confuse historians (unintentionally but still.)
Not to minimize the Swedish design team, but I'd be curious to learn more about the American engineers and their contributions. Aircraft companies at the time seemed to have a corporate design language for things like wing planform. I see a lot of Northrop/Douglas in this plane (SBD Dauntless), as well as some Vought -- the OS2U Kingfisher-like greenhouse and rudder.
What is that sign (~3:00) in the background "Farbjuden" about?
Rökning förbjuden = No smoking.
nice looking ...except for the wheel arrangement.
Ah, my favorite light bomber in War Thunder
I believe the Swedish airforce operated Northop A-17s before their own SAAB 17s
"Sweden being Sweden, home to moose and snow, the aircraft could also be equipped with retractable landing skis."
Well, that's fine for the snow. But what about the moose? Was that the purpose of the wing mounted machine guns, or was there provision for a steel tube "moose cage" to fit around the nose and propellor?
What about polish Airforce pzl 11c.
Australian built Beaufort Mk VIII?
Interesting how both SAAB as well as FFVS (producing the J-22) had government origins.
Dear authors, in my perception,there is an antagonism between power and abilities. PLease, aircraft are not politicians, they do serve longer and better. Paul, 67, retired teacher, amateur, historian.
"And, Sweden being Sweden, home to moose and snow, the aircraft could also be equipped with retractable landing skis."
How are landing skis supposed to help with landing on a moose? Wouldn't some sort of padded grappling claw be more appropriate? And how would they handle the G forces of such a sudden stop? And how would the moose handle it? Or was the moose considered expendable, on the premise that the moose population was greater than the expected number of landings?
BTW, there are no moose in Sweden. The term "moose" is applied to the animal in North America. In Europe, the same animal is called "elk", because Europe does not have the large members of the deer family that Americans call the elk.
Not correct about the moose.
@@danwe878
How so? If you're going to say someone is wrong, then explain why or else it's just your own opinion.
My SAAB 9-3 is still in worthy condition.
You should try the shortlived Saab 600.
Avro Arrow?
What about the Hercules
Those aircrafts where available for other countries, but delivered in parts with a notice to put it together. 🙄 (a missing screw could happen)
I've never owned an aircraft built by SAAB, but I have driven one of their Sedans. My bro in law owned a manual shift car that was a nicely appointed pig of a car.
I test drove one with thoughts of buying the car - they were cheap and depending on the year, the engine that powered the car made them a attractive buy.
The test drive revealed a non working retractable top: warning lights that failed to glow on start up and some other nonsense that determined that the SAAB was not for me.
I've wondered after my experience with their car, if SAAB aircraft were as fraut with maintenance issues as their cars.
In general SAAB aircraft and cars ere reliable. What led to the downfall of SAAB as a car maker was that they made their cars too well and thus struggled to make a profit.
My first car was a SAAB 96. Then a 95 (station wagon version). Both had interesting and innovative features for the time (front wheel drive, that, on more than one occasion got me out of a bad skid, a free-wheeling feature that saved on gas, a reliable v-4 that was easy to pull out and work on, and 4 speed on the column). The aircraft parentage was obvious with a number of aluminum parts in the "cockpit". Still have dreams of diving those cars and wish I had one today. The 99 was also a fun driving car but was definitely heading out of the economy car range and, after that, out of my price-range!
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I like the look of the 17, except the landing gear. There has to be a better way to make that look a lot less like Lego than this. The rest of the shape is good.