flower's new design
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- flower made her escape from vocaloid and she's pretty!! but she's very...not flower-like
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i dont mind her not being androgynous anymore (i like her v3 design best actually) i just miss her goth & punk look
omg finally someone who likes her v3 design!! i do too ;;
@@whymanye8568 same, as a former vocaloid user that used her v3, i love her v3 design
shes still andro tbh
God. I wish sometimes that they wouldn’t completely change the character when they did that. When the first character redesign for flower dropped I was sad it changed but I was ok with it because it fit their purpose more and they were still recognizable. This is too extreme a change. They did the same thing with tone rion and I was equally upset. I liked tone’s og design more…
SAMME I still think she gives slight andro vibes and she really has a rei ayanami-esque kuudere aesthetic but I need the edge to come back. The v3 box art was a little less rockstar, which is why I liked the v4 better, but now its even worse. I like the clean look on vocaloids/cevios/whatevers that suit it, but flowers voice best suits harder music, meaning harder, rougher designs look more natural
So, in a nutshell: Good design on it's own, but too different to be the same character.
yes we all feeling it
Basically, yeah
man i don’t even like the design on its own it feels so scattered yet bland and the hair looks broken
this also happened with my favorite vocaloid (tone rion). her v4 design is cute and a good design but her new design changed a lot of her core features (eye color hair color etc) and it doesnt look like the same person
This
That ain't flower that's floral...
Yeah she’s my sis lol
That fluorescent lights
that ain't flower that's chrysanthemum
Thats not flower thats plant
Literally
it's not a bad design, I just wish they kept her more tomboy-ish :/
Ikr, it's not like it's bad but it just isn't Flower.
Flower is enby, FYI. Not “she”
Nevermind I guess they’re not enby, but I’m pretty sure they’re supposed to represent a perfect flowers which has both “parts”.
@@ma.2089 it’s a Vocaloid it doesn’t matter
@@ma.2089 Its literally a voice synthesizer shut up 💀💀
I don't care that she lost her tomboy energy, she just lost her PUNK energy.
Her flavour...her spice.... she's a choir boy now 😢
The blue, black and lavender colour scheme is JUST NOT her. They made her look so overly simple that now she almost looks like a character from a random slice of life anime. Plus, the dark purple and bright colours that match her just got taken away. This design honestly made me feel sad cuz she just looks incomplete and dull now...
CHOIR BOY
A CHOIR BOY PLEEEEASE💀💀💀
i agree she looks not like a baddie anymore
I don't care she lost her punk energy, she lost her TOMBOY energy.
it's not bad that she doesn't look "tomboy" enough (her v3 design is my fave actually) it's just... they completely got rid of the "flower vibes" yk what i mean???
THANK YOU!! I'm lowkey sick of everyone shitting on Flower for not looking like a guy (there's nothing wrong with looking like a guy, but it's not like she's ALWAYS looked that way!)
I like her original release the best, it looks like gothic lolita black rock shooter
Agree
Yes yes yes exactly this
U put it in words
You can say that it's not even the same character anymore, it's okay. It goes way beyond vibes. She's unrecognizable.
Flower ASAP cover NAOW
AND WHEN WILL WE BE SEEING THE JOHNNY ZOOM JESSI COVER?? worry about that.
PELASE PLEAS EPL EAS PLEASE IM SOBBING SLIDING DOWN THE WALL-
ITS NOT A WANT ITS A NEEEEEED
JOHNNY WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE
Give me your verification
This actually saddens me a little bit as I fell in love with both flower's androgynous sounding voice and look. It made me relate to flower a lot
same here.
Exactly
same
Exactly, there was some androgynous representation in the ripped it away to make another anime waifu
yeah and then I saw some comments, there's nothing wrong with liking Flower because she has an androgynous look? I mean technically it's a look like any other, and then compared to other Vocaloids it's a bit original and can allow for more representation.
The new design has a very sleek and modern look that seems to throw away the previous designs more rougher look. The reason the older designs have that look is because initially, Flower was made with rock music in mind, which is reflected in her first design (V3). My guess is that as time went on, Flower is demonstrated to be compatible with a wider range of music genres, so eventually, her design is changed so she doesn't appear to be exclusive to just the Rock genre . However, the newest design seem to get rid of her roots entirely, which is why she "doesn't look like Flower".
The change in colour palette from having purple as the main colour to blue is one of the first differences I noticed, but that isn't a big deal as even Miku's designs changed between varying shades of blue and green while still retaining her signature look.
This^
It feels so different because there’s barely anything aside from the hair(though even I feel like its a bit smoother that what’s recognizable) that reminds the viewer that they are looking at a new Flower design. But it also makes me wonder why the purples were heavily toned down, it might be a stylistic thing though.
i want my rocker girl back :(
The design is actually pretty good the only thing that makes her "not like the actual Flower " is her light violet eyes they should've been dark purple
The things that bothered me is how she lacks purple and lacks asymmetry. She only have purple on her head and shoes, instead of her clothes. If you show people V3 and V4 flower they can tell the similarities between both. This flower design also takes the aspect of her big chunk of purple "strand" of hair( it looks more like the piece of her headset (which makes it look like a headphone)than hair, I had to double check it) and her hair lacks extreme messyness(her V3 and V4 have very messy hair that goes everywhere unlike her CEVIO)( this could be an artstyle factor)
Overall, I think the artsyle is the thing that bothered people. The artstyle differs from miwashiba's(V4 illust.;iconic flower)and yamako's(V3 illust.). Oguchi's artstyle is more "realistic";focusing more on shading than lines ; which is what miwashiba's and yamako's artstyle consist of. Lines.
I am overanalyzing, ik
Edit : also wanna point out how V3 flower very much have an androgene face despite looking feminine, the CEVIO flower doesnt have that
Edit again : I then analyzed gyroid flower(illustrated also by miwashiba, artstyle wise she looks different from her V4, but its only from the artstyle and i dont mind) dispite being more feminine, she still is recognisable because of these factors
-purple(i mean, obviously)
-androgene face
-chunk of purple hair
She looks recognisable because of her having these aspects, which the cevio illustration lacks
Also, another similarity I found from the V4 and V3 is that they have a darker color pallete. Despite the GT illust having a lighter color pallete its still recognisable
@@siorganism agreed (don't worry you're not the only one over analysing this I'm just too lazy to express my opinion in an essay)
@lemonssssssss4 it will still be difficult for me because I lack confidence in my English skills so expression my full opinion means facing grammatical problems and over thinking my writing oh and the fact that you can write over 1700 words is truly amazing
I definitely like the new design, but she feels like a completely different character to me.
i agree, the art is well done, and everything looks so nice- but she dosent feel or look like flower to me.
@@mariam8275 Yeah.
the design on its own isn’t bad, i’d actually think it’s pretty nice if i didn’t know it’s supposed to be flower
True.
Right?
My friend said that while flower looks (and sounds, sometimes) like a smoker the new design would hit a vape, choke, and go "goodness me"
Quite the opposite I think. They go for the younger audience, the 18 year olds that wear streetwear and vape. Back then was more pop and rock. Nowadays is more techno and modern hip hop.
is it wrong that i actually like flower's new design?
i still prefer v4 flower, but this one isn't bad.
its not bad, its just too different yknow
@@tavellcoops this exactly
@@tavellcoops i know what you mean, we will probably get used to it over time.
Yeah like, the design isn’t *bad* but it’s just not *flower* ya know? I still like it but it feels like a new character altogether lol
@@tavellcoops agreed. It’s like if you took Miku’s pigtails from her when she gets a new voicebank
I think the new one looks pretty good but they should’ve given her a more boyish look to go along with her style
For me it isn’t even that she isn’t as boyish as her prev design, it’s that her prev designs have always leaned pretty heavily into this… idk, kinda punkish, almost lolita, maybe visual kei style. It’s one of the things that rlly made Flower well. Flower. Regardless of if she was given a feminine, masculine or androgynous design. This design, while being decent from an objective standpoint, just. Isn’t very interesting, especially when compared to her previous iterations. It’s not bad it’s just kinda disappointing
flower seems to have gotten a pattern of changing a lot from one design to the next. my fav is still v4 (miwasiba just got the enby vibe so well man) but i dont think the others are ugly or completely out of vibe. its like the art style of the pokemon anime (?)
and tbh ive come to appreciate each artists take on flower. it kind of gives room for more variation, styles and potentially new people falling in love with one or the other design, hopefully more variate music to come too
Say "enby" or "non-binary" please, "nb" was already coined by the black community meaning "not black". I don't want us to take something from black people yet again lol.
Also it's a little transphobic that you're implying one has to be male-passing to have "enby vibes". Flower can be enby no matter what they look like. I am agender but I'm no less agender just because I have huge honkers.
Anyways, I'm not being judgmental; I just want you to be aware of the impact of what you're saying. As a non-binary person I'm quite sick of people assuming enbies have to look male-passing to count as non-binary. The whole point of being non-binary is that we are not tied to gender norms. Making every AFAB enby look like a man and making every AMAB enby wear a skirt only sets new gender expectations.
Aside from all that, I do agree that Flower's designs have all looked very amazing, and I love the variety as well. I am nostalgic so I prefer Flower's OG look, but they'll always look stunning to me.
@@nomoretwitterhandles ou thank you for letting my know. will edit it ✧︎
@@nomoretwitterhandles as a member of the black community tm I can say that it was fine when they said nb lol
@@unnamedphone2888 That's great, but other people still have an issue with it. You're entitled to your opinion but the opinions of a group speak louder to me. I was simply informing them. (also I don't like that people are reducing our community to "nb" when that doesn't even belong to us in the first place)
@@rrruryu Thank you very much for understanding
0:26 I want a full version of asap sing by Flower*^*
Yup, same
SAME!!!
SAME HERE
@@nabiboo asap by stayc
@@nabiboo ASAP by STAYC
Honestly to me I feel like it’s just the face that makes her look so different. When solely looking at the hair it comes to me as Flower but I think the art style of the face just throws everyone off
Nooo this must be a joke 😭
her previous designs really made her stand out… now she looks like another default cutie anime girl
Same happened to Luka tho... But I agree, this shouldn't be real
@lemonssssssss4 yeah, but her vibe is more, “edgy cute” rather than “Ikea cute”
Rest in peace, Flower's ahoge🙏
I would agree with the honkai impact one, she'd fit perfectly
As a Honkai player I agree too
I, also a honkai player, agree to this as well
Yeah, the art style fit the game
Yeah or arknights
Yeah, I'm a Hi3 player too.
The tweet about Flower starting off looking like a victorian child might be referring to her V3 design, as in the one with the onion hair.
Yeah, I remember that design. That's my favorite flower design, Lol.
The old flower gave off rockmetal vibes but the new flower feels more like pop vibes. And also her hair makes it all different. The old hair is spiky so it feels more rough tomboyish while the new one is more flowy .
She resembles her, but it feels like she's the long-hidden close relative character from a soap opera lmao
The gothic dress and big ponytail version will always be what I think of when I think of flower.
SAME
they def misunderstood the assignment with this design. where is the edge. the spunk. the bisexuality.
i agree, that’s not flower. that’s failure.
edit: on a serious note, I think the design is ok, its just not *her* yk?
Not flower? Whoever made this design, you need to redesign our girl!
@lemonssssssss4 lmao
@lemonssssssss4 lol
@@laurinha2892 rip lmfao
PLEASE MAKE A FULL COVER OF ASAP WITH FLOWER 😭😭
I NEED Flower cover ASAP the way u tuned her was so GOOD ;;0;;
My humor is fucking broken, I laughed at that StayC joke for longer than I should’ve NDKFKFJSBSJF
She looks so...palatable now. Her new design just seems so inoffensive and generic. It doesn’t even look like her! She’s completely lost her edge because they removed her more unconventional rock/punk/gothic stylistic roots
As Flower herself, I gotta say; WHY YOU GOTTA DO ME LIKE THAT.
Ahh so that's what the Ci in Ciflower is for
@@LonandoSFX bruh lets call her cauliflower cause shes a subpar replacement
@@LonandoSFX yup. Cauli
ok but honestly that asap cover is *chef's kiss*
I like the design itself but flower has always had the really punky grunge kinda look, giving her the clean futuristic makeover just does Not translate lol
As someone who is neutral on Flower, this design is pretty meh imo, like if this design was for a new character it would have looked nice, but for Flower it just doesn't fit her especially compared to her other designs.
True, Take example from V3 Flower (V3 is her old design). Even if her hairstyle and clothes are different, We still know that it's Flower (Because her eyes and hair color. The clothes is still giving us the flower vibes too).
STAYC GIRLS ITS GOING DOWN
why all the new cevio designs gotta look like they came from a fjallraven clearance sale
VANESYA FLASHBACKS FROM THE LAST ONE 😨😨
i’m gonna need a full asap cover
This ruined my day literally completely. I loved Flower because of her voice AND DESIGN-- WHAT HAPPENED.
same, i'm absolutely devestated rn
She still has her other designs, it’s not like they’re banning all previous images of her. (Also, her previous designs are very iconic so I doubt people will stop using them.)
I love all the flowers tbh
i love the design but it just doesn’t feel like flower enough
It kinda feels like she was designed in Ikea, smooth, well constructed, balanced but industrial. She looks like she was designed to compliment rather than stand out as her own mascot. I love Ikea btw, but that’s a furniture company with a very rationalistic design philosophy. While synthetizers are quite a different concept. Besides, it us much easier to remember a character if their artstyle is also really unique. As they don’t have to just depend on cosmetics alone to stand out.
Then again as v-tubers in the industry have demonstrated, it’s usually more profitable and safe to have a more standardized look rather than something a bit more out there that people might be “adverse” to. This leads me to believe they are treating their characters more like a “team line up” rather than a “voice persona”. More like “buy our line of products” rather than a “concept demonstration”.
So what I’m getting at is that another reason why Flower might have received this style of redesign is due to updating her to a shift in the Industry from individual design to collective branding.
But that’s just a theory, A DESIGN THEORY.
0:20 shes the original flowers nobody
yeah flowers design has had plenty of drastic changes in the past but this is where i draw the line 😭!! even with a character like flower where the design is fairly inconsistent ci flower just feels like too big if a change for me. it's not a design i like in the first place
let alone as a flower design.
I think the design is good, just not in the context of being a new flower design
it doesn’t fit but it looks good!!!
as it turns out, SHES NOT V FLOWER her name is ci flower for cevio
"why did they do her like that" this "thats not flower" that, imagine how people felt when her v4 design was revealed
Well, as I remember, people were actually excited about her V4 design. Yes, they misgendered her a lot, but they always were pretty warm and welcoming. Because V3 and V4 match well with each other you know.
@@butterrrrrrrrr183 i mean i guess but either way you could show me the two side by side n tell my they were the same character and i wouldnt believe you, so this is nothing new lmao
I remember when the V4 design was revealed. Someone sent the picture of it to me in a chat and I was thinking "why'd they make her a boy??? hUH???"
That said, at least the V4 kept the general aura of the V3. This new design isn't bad, but boy is it outlandish compared to the previous ones
V3 and V4 still shared the same vibe, you can tell they're similar. This is just completely different
@@nerf.ashton they simply chopped her ponytail and gave her a new wardrobe. I wouldn’t say it was that different.
In this the hair color, overall palette and eye color has changed, (along with hairstyle and wardrobe) so either she got cosmetic surgery or she is into cosplay now.
Her design was changed because some sexist bastards kept on claiming she "wasn't a girl" simply due to her androgynous design, and the creators couldn't take these annoying comments anymore.
This sucks, I was so happy to see an androgynous girl like me :(
I like all the Flowers, you get a nice bouquet that way.
i actually really like this design.. :']
I don’t think it fits Flower but I do like the really like the design.
the new design is so cute but it is SO DIFFERENT from flower's iconic gothic/grunge look 🥲
I think it would be nicer if it wasn't supposed to represent flower
@@nanocado I agree with this one, Her new design is cute but it doesn't fits flower.
**seeing Miku’s hair get thinner and thinner** That’s not Miku that’s Mirai
the Honkai character part was my exact reaction to the thumbnail. I thought she was being compared to Elysia from how similar the silhouette was.
Love the design! I just need to see her in motion or in a song to see how "Flower" she is. I still adore the old version though
I like the new Flower design, but that comment about looking like a rejected Organization XIII member is spot on
I always thought flower's original design art was flipping us all off and for some reason i never questioned it
I am in desperate need of Flower singing all of ASAP
Me gusta mucho más la versión V4, pero, esto no está mal
esta bonito este diseño, pero creo que la de V4 siempre será mi favorita por los siglos de los siglos, aun así comparando a la flower de v3 con esta... que rayos ha pasado?!
Haha, si. Bueno, siempre hay grandes cambios. Creo que...V4 será mi nueva religión /j
A mí me parece otra cosa completamente diferente, es como agarrar a una random de la calle y decir: "Tu eres Vflower ahora"
@@softty7321 JAJAJA, TIENES RAZÓN XD. Pero de igual forma, sigue siendo lindo, aunque creo que le quita el aura de trapo que tengo de ella xD
also isnt it the new design for a cevio version or smth?? like they will release her vb for their software. in that case then it makes even more sense that shed look closer to cevios general concept. i want to see sharp fanart of her now haha
I hope so
I think I prefer the familiar tomboyish edgy look but if we’re talking about just straight design she’s super cute in the new one
don't get me wrong, the design itself is cool, but...that is not flower. that's mushroom. like...it's not even close...
Chileeee , we need this Flower ASAP Cover hello??!!!
full flower asap cover pls and thank u
Need the full ver of ASAP cover 😩😫✨
I love the design tbh and it looks incredible
“That’s not Flower, it’s Flour” sent me
I think its cool ngl, we just haven't adjusted to this design yet
Honestly I really like it! It looks like she matured and got a new street-singer outfit!
same i actually like it. i get why people are really attached to the old design and i am too but i think that this design on its own is besutiful
To me more than hatred it’s the fact that she looks forgettable? I feel like she is an amalgamation of several characters I’ve seen. And when I move on It will be lost in the trash can that is my brain... for the foreseeable future.
It’s been a month and I can confirm I had already forgotten she got a redesign.
That looks like it would be her mature responsible older sister
When you actually put her with what she’s supposed to sound like… IT LITERALLY DOESNT WORK
@lemonssssssss4 THAT FLOWER DESIGN LOOKS LIKE SHES SUPPOSED TO BE ALL QUIET WHEN IN REALITY FLOWER IS THE TYPE OF PERSON YO TALK REALLY LOUD AHAH
ah for me it’s something about her hair that got rid of the ‘Vflower’ vibes
Idk I still love flower either way
i mean, yeah, they let their hair grow idk
but i'm gonna miss the more goth design it's so cute
this one is GOURGEOUS don't get me wrong but i just really love the harcore design
tbh jokes aside her new design kinda hits
This isn't flower, this is Hanahaki disease
The design has changed so drastically so many times that i'm not even upset
It doesn’t even look or feel like her anymore. Im still gonna draw her v4 design because honestly they did a great job there and I love the nb look and vibe they went with. It’s like they completely stripped away what made flower- flower. 😭😭😭
Edit: WHY TF IS HER SKIN LIGHTER 💀💀💀
Flower has such a uniqueness with all her designs so far but this one I don't feel it. It's not bad, just kinda bland. I feel a lot of voicebank designs are getting boring.
I like this kind of design and when I said like it I was just saying I'm " *OK* " with the new design
However she felt soo different and kinda... off.. I still very much loved the V4 Design
Her Tomboyish-ness and iconic Purple color has been taken away of this new design and it's completley out of my vibe...
I mean.., just look at Villain by Teniwoha example. Her tomboyish-ness was really used in this song but this new design was like out of touch of that song...
She's kinda like MafuMafu but in reverse ln V4 of course, and I rlly like that...
basically is that this is absolutley worse and hard to comprehend than redesigned cooporate logo's :(.
it's okay if you like that design though so no biggie to anyones opinions... I bet you have mixed feelings..
It’s fine she’s just going through a phase
FLOWER STAYC COVER WHEN??? 😔😔😔😔😩😩😩
Not Flower. That is Floor
cool design, doesn't feel like flower but at least it still has the tasty looking hair to some extent yum yum
I actually like this design a lot, it's like a mature version of Flower
WE NEED THAT ASAP COVER
you have 2 choices:
are you going to do that flower ASAP full cover or are you going to that flower ASAP full cover? 🤨
0:26 song name 👀 I've never really gotten into flower besides her really popular songs, and this one sounds cool!
it’s asap by stayc, a kpop group. we don’t have v flower covering this yet 😭
That ain't flower, that's Lily
Bro that ain’t Flower, that’s Plant
I didn't know I needed Flower singing ASAP before, but now it's something I can't live without, bless you Tora, you've made my week.
Eh, I still really love her new design even if it's super different from her previous ones, Oguchi's designs are always super dope. It makes her overall designs more varied at least
i appreciate the Being Friends from Mother/Earthbound Beginnings song in the bg
It looks like an older relative of Flower.
Pointing my finger directly at you Tora did you just out yourself as a Fire Emblem fan, if so I’d have to double subscribe.
HIHI TORA IM LITERALLY SO EARLY
0:26 uh I'd love to hear a cover of STAYC - ASAP actually lol I immediately started singing along
Wait, Flower is going to have a new design? Whyyyyyy, I was mad when I saw V4x Luka's design (I still refuse to confess it as Luka) and now... Flower... Why, my favorite girls T~T
It seems like I was only born to suffer...
I NEED THE FULL VERSION OF THE VFLOWER ASAP COVER!! SHE ATE AND LEFT NO CRUMBS!!!!
THEY GOT RID OF HER EDGE