Sounds like woolim. The ceo sold his house (I think it was) to help finance infinite. He even personally went to see (think it was) woohyun to recruit him into the group after he rejected.
The rose is currently without a company, so please, try to support and promote them a lot if they have a comeback! I've seen the rose live last year and i can't explain how much these boys love to be on stage! They deserved so much better from their company....
The fact they didnt pay them all these years of hard work is just disgusting😔im not even the biggest black rose but goddamn imagine being so disgusting to not pay ur workers/artist😔i really hope they are all feeling better now the members they never deserved any of this treatment
I feel so bad for The Rose. I’m a black rose and to see that they have all this talent and haven’t been paid since debut. Like what the hell. Talk about shitty entertainment companies. J&Star need help and need to realize what talent is and needs to pay these boys. Although I know that they are possibly gonna sue J&Star and move to a company that is actually a good one.
Video Ideas: How YG ruined their own groups (mismanagement and favouritism) How Chrome Entertainment failed their Idols (promoting and mistreatment) How DR Music mismanaged their idols (mismanagement obliviously) How SS Entertainment mistreated their idols (mismanagement and no paying) How WinningInSight M physically abused their idols (mistreatment obliviously) How DSP Media mismanaged their Idols (mismanagement)
The fact that Baby V.O.X has 9 PAST MEMBERS (I think Baby V.O.X has most past members among first generation idols) and Rania has 15 PAST MEMBERS (and still counting) are the reason why DR Music should be included.
imagine if The Rose went to a better company. They would be so famous rn. They're so talented and they are passionate in their field but they have no company to support them rn. I just hope for the best for this group. They deserve so much more
I hope JYP or SM takes them. JYP thinks about the idols health and mentality all the time and let’s them take breaks if they need to. Or SM because even if they’re not the best, they’re good at managing
She isnt gonna do one for yg. She is so unbelievably biased towards them because of bp. Yg is the worst of the worst. But she is too baised so, dont expect one for yg
the rose is my favorite band and i've been a fan of them since debut.... it makes me furious to hear j&star's bs claims about not paying the rose because ''they didn't earn any money''. - they've been on multiple (sold out) world tours - they write and produce their own music - they released their albums through makestar, a crowd funding website, where they not only reached 100% of their funding goal, but actually earned more than TEN times the amount of money they wanted to earn - don't quote me on this but i think most of the members even brought their own instruments when they joined the company so i'm wondering: where did all that money go? what exactly was the reason they couldn't pay the rose for YEARS? also, suddenly bringing up ''romantic partners'' and saying the rose were lying to the company seems kinda sus to me... feels like they're making up stuff to piss off the fans..? because the fanbase has been nothing but suppportive of the boys throughout their lawsuit and i haven't seen a single person side with the company. i obviously don't know the members personally, but i'm 100% sure, without a doubt, that they're saying the truth, they're the kindest and most hard working artists i've ever had the pleasure to meet. i'm glad that they're out of that shit company and i hope from the bottom of my heart, that they'll get the support and love they deserve, when they continue making music in the future. thank you for this video and bringing light to the rose's situation! sorry for my bad english, btw ^^;
As a blackrose when I heard the news I was so upset. I saw them live last year and they were amazing I love their music and they're awesome musicians they're my favorite band
They have such a gorgeous and unique sound and it pains me to think how little it seems they made because of their company. I even remember thinking last year ‘God, it seems like they tour a lot. I wish they would focus on new material instead’ Considering how profitable concerts can be in comparison to a comeback (YG am looking at you) it is so infuriating how exploited they were.
also for their 2019 'we rose you' tour, i'm 95% sure their tour schedule made them have a concert every other day, with the day between being for transport. imagine how tired they must've been, having to perform with no rest. i hope the members remember black roses rose then, and i hope everyone else who isnt a black rose checks out their music and shows their support. the rose mean so much to me, they are a truly amazing band 🌹
I think it was on Arirang Radio where the topic of a quite packed tour schedule came up and Dojoon said, that they had more free time on tour than at home... I can't even imagine how little time they had
it is so important to know whats going on and not close your eyes like many fans do :( i get that they dont want to ruin their view on the company or industry itself BUT we must know about the mistreatment of so many groups... often we cant do much but we can support them even more at least
I'm just going to outright say it, this company is disgusting. When confronted with the damage they'd inflicted they immediatey opted to shift the blame onto their own artists and use whatever they had, blatant lies probably included, to clean their own name. Despite absences, dating history etc. not being part of the issue at all, they were hoping it would spark negative response from fans that would turn them against the group. It's despicable and completely unacceptable. I hope The Rose will be able to recover and continue to have a successful career without their horrible former company and that no one ever auditions for it again. Truly.
J&star lost a gem, really. The Rose is so talented and they are [still] very well loved. J&star really said all that bad stuff so that fans would unstan but it backfired, I’m glad the Rose were able to leave their company and they’re working on new music at this moment
I really have no words in this matter. The Rose are so talented and they have amazing songs 🥺🥺. It’s truly a shame they’re going through this and their talent is being wasted like this. I really hope they’re ok and they know so many fans stand with them ❤️💕❤️
The Rose could be up there with Day6 in terms of recognition if they were promoted better. Personally I don’t like Day6’s music but the contrast between the two bands would be nice to see more of Also the whole statement @13:51 is sooo passive-aggressive I can’t even believe they thought it would make them look good
This series is one of my favourites on RUclips. Really eye-opening and thanks for making it!! I really hope you could make a video on TOP Media some day. They've done so many bad things throughout the years it's time someone with your voice and audience exposed them. They have mistreated and poorly managed every group they've debuted so far except for MCND (but alas it is only the beginning of their career and I fear for these kids). Teen Top carry the company's name, had a successful debut, but as soon as they got popular, TM sent them on a tour instead of trying to promote them more actively, thus losing the hype around them. It's been almost a year since they last had a comeback and one of the members recently said that the company pushes them to make RUclips videos and doesn't care about their music and that they're making 70$ each month. They debuted another boygroup called 100% and basically let them rot in the dungeon. They didn't care about them at all to the point where they even gave them worse meals than Teen Top because "Teen Top are the more popular ones", although there was no bad blood between the two. They barely give 100% comeback and promotions and it's obvious that they won't put any effort into them. Even after their leader passed away suddenly TM wouldn't allow the fans to create a memorial for him and did nothing to support the group during this difficult time. After 100% TM debuted Up10tion, a 10 member boy group. They had a successful debut and their career was going upwards but sadly one of the members got involved in a scandal that was proven to be false. TM did not handle the situation well at all, but thankfully let the member take a hiatus from activities after his mental health deteriorated. This is the only good thing TM has done for these boys, but unfortunately they stopped caring about Up10tion there and then. Even when their member returned from hiatus TM promoted them badly. They sent two of the members, Wooseok and Jinhyuk, to PDX, where they excelled and gained immense popularity. Wooseok made it into X1 but Jinhyuk was eliminated despite being one of the most popular trainees. TM could have used his fame to promote their group but instead chose to debut him solo and BAN HIM from speaking about his Up10tion members as well as Up10tion's fans and vice versa. The group had their last comeback last summer and one of the members told fans that they had no support from the company during promotions. And when Wooseok came back from X1 they did the same with him. They also put the group's leader on hiatus after he got involved with fake dating rumors and have since said that he is on a break for health reasons and that Up10tion will comeback as 7 this summer, but nothing more has been said. Their newest boygroup is MCND. What was surprising was how much money and promotions TM gave them, despite being a rookie group. They went all out with promoting them, but it seems to have reached the point of them being overworked. They have new MVs for their songs being released all the time and just finished promotions for the first time in months since their debut. It breaks my heart to see so many talented boys get their dreams crushed because of their company and I feel like the kpop community needs to know what is going on. I have a soft spot for Up10tion as they are my ultimate group and I am seeing the members in such a devastating condition, even those who the company is now promoting as soloists, and they need all the attention they can get. There is a thread on Twitter with even more information: twitter.com/unvsjen/status/1236072875347644417?s=20 If you reached this point, I sincerely thank you. Please give a voice to my boys and all the boys under this terrible company who can't use their own to reach out for help.
Poor MCND, they are actually overworked. Two comebacks as new artists within four days of each other! (i think?) I love 100% and Teen Top's music, but could never stan properly because TM mismanages them so badly.
@@miawithsuga5868 TM seems to not want their groups to be successful. I don't even know what else to think at this point. It's so disappointing. I hope all their artists leave the company once their contracts expire and start over somewhere better. They deserve so much more than this.
Seriously!! I love Teen Top, 100%, and up10tion, and to me, they have some of my favourite songs in kpop, as well as, as far as I could tell, great personalities. I had hoped that the bad management was behind them, but when I heard about all the of problems that the members of up10tion are STILL having, it just makes me mad and extremely disappointed. MCND is one of my favourite rookie groups too, and they're so incredible, it would be awful if something bad was happening behind the scenes. Anyway, I would definitely watch a video on TOP media
May or may not have cried a little while watching this. The Rose have gone through SO MUCH they didn't deserve, I remember feeling so sad when I heard about the lawsuit. I hope they get compensated for their troubles, and sign with a company that actually cares about their wellbeing. Thank you for this informative series 🖤🖤.
Black Rose🖤🌹 here Thank you for taking about this and spreading awareness. And to all Black Rose, let’s keep fighting for our boys and show them love and support. 🥀
Could you maybe do "the best entertainment companies" as well? RBW, P Nation for example Idk if the content would be as interesting but it would be good to hear you talking about the good things entertainment companies have done as well!
Thank you so much for working so hard and doing such thorough research! It's really cleanly put and it was a relief for me and my three braincells. I really hope The Rose can just manage themselves (although the Kpop industry really dun werk like that) Imagine how The Rose would pave the way for self management and ACTUAL talents will come into limelight because the audience gets to choose a band's popularity based on music and taste. It'll be like a whole ass movement- aaaand I'm getting way ahead of myself
I don't know The Rose a lot, only listen to Sorry (which is an incredible song), but few of my friends really love this band and went to their concert. But I was shocked when the news came out. It makes me so mad and sick to see these artists working without any break and being treated like that. Is this that difficult to treat people decently and pay them correctly... I don't understand why having an agency when you can't offer the minimum decent things such as good work condition, trust, correct payment, treatment etc... Thank you for this episode, I really hope The Rose will succeed in getting back on their feet.
You know as soon as J&Star turned and tried to slander the rose it made me think they knew about the images. It's the same behavior, turn and snap at someone else and shift the blame away. It's a shame the Rose was/is an amazing band. Yeah I know some kbands in history spent years without being paid, but the tours alone should have put money into their pockets. And the fact, if true, the company made promises that was to great for it's britches. Rather then being open and honest they did what so many companies have done and screwed over their money makers.
It feels so sad to watch this because I saw The Rose live in December for a K-pop convention in Toronto, I was a brand new Black Rose at the time so I wasn't aware of their schedule, their stage was my favourite that day and I feel a bit guilty now knowing they were going through so much, I even got a hi-touch with them, they were so friendly and hardworking they deserve the best so it sucks that the J&Star stuff is happening
Bro, that's so messed up. I've been a fan of The Rose for a year or so and didn't know they were being screwed over like this. It's truly saddening. THE ROSE FIGHTING. SUPPORT THE ROSE.🌹🖤
"we are suffering huge losses.." 14:37 - Thought they didn't make any profit? How can you suffer a loss if you didnt get a profit? Lying through their teeth. Say you have the documents proving that they did get paid, proving the members said they received the payment, but can't send copies of it to them? I just hope The Rose comes out on top and continues to be successful after this, whatever they choose to do next. The constant touring reminded me of another group...the band barely had 2 songs/singles and already had a tour- I get that they were popular, but couldn't the tour wait until after they at least had a mini album? Not important to the issue but just my opinion
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING ABOUT THIS! as a huge fan of the rose, the news saddened me so much. especially because I felt really betrayed since I was at their concert and bought their official merch, where did my money go?
Omg I'm actually somewhat early for once, and I haven't even watched the video yet- I love this series because it can show us how much companies can over-exert their idols, I hope more companies take better care of their idols...
honestly idk whats worse being over worked or being left in the dungeon for years , this industry is ruthless, even tho i dont know anything about The Rose i can relate this video to Twice's early 2017 to early 2019 (2 year period) were they had comebacks every month between Korea and Japan (plus all the tours and other promotional things they did at the time) and at that time i was seriously scared for them, they had no time to even sleep, so i can just imagine how the fans of The rose feel... but at the same time i see how frustrated idols get when they dont get any work (and ofc thats totally normal considering no promotions mean no money made) not to mention in this industry u can be forgotten in 0.2 seconds if u dont have a stable comeback schedule, so this is a shitty situation overall
"not to mention in this industry u can be forgotten in 0.2 seconds if u dont have a stable comeback schedule, so this is a shitty situation overall" THIS, the public forgets you in one single month unless you are already established. It's sad.
I've been a kpop stan for a long time and I've just gotta say that the kpop industry is one of the worst industries ever. It's toxic and manufactured, and I don't wanna admit it because I love kpop so much - but it is.
Thank you for this, this was very detailed and informative. You have clearly done an immense amount of informed research which definitely shows an unbiased and truthful perspective of the situation. I love the Rose so so much, and it makes me distraught knowing they can't continue doing what they love because of things out of their hand. I only wish they can come back, hopefully under a fair, new agency.
Thank you a lot for doing this videos Means so much, Blackrose know we need to protect them now is our time and give to them all the love as we can. When them find a new company being happy for them
omg i’m so glad you made this one! i’ve been trying to find out more information on the lawsuit and i could only find the boys’ original statement! It sucks that J&Star has been treating them so terrible...Artists are not robots, they too need breaks! and they got no profit from any of those promotions and tours? It’s terrible to hear.
Thank you so much for talking about this! I was completely caught off guard when I found out they hadn't been paid. They did so much through Makestar and MyMusicTaste plus touring constantly, it's unbelievable! I hope they can move on from that trash company because they're my favorite band.
I just love this series because it gives you a look into these companies and show you that no company is good some companies have skeletons in their closet! That’s why I love watching this series, it’s informative.
Bruh-I was just about to start looking into this band, I hope they can continue someday with a better company 😖 well I still can, it’ll help them anyways 🥺
I love this series, thank you for taking the time to research all of this! I have been a Black Rose since 2018, and I was so shocked when I found out about their poor treatment in February. They really do deserve better, and I think your videos spread a lot of awareness to how entertainment companies mistreat their idols. There's just one tiny error I want to point out to avoid confusion for those who are newer to or not in the fandom: The Rose's former name is "Windfall" and not "Windmill". Let's keep supporting The Rose 🌹
The only good thing J&Star company had done was knowing The Rose is talent and signed them in. Because they went on music bank, I found them when I was watching. "Like we used to" drew me in. I went to their concert in Seoul. They are not small at all, it's a sold out show. The venue is very crowded and too small to hold all of us. Also they even went on promo for exposure on the Gangnam Yongdongdaero concert
okay i know that i am sooo late to this whole ordeal but i just wanna say thank you for this insight.The rose is one of my fav kpop band and i feel ashamed that i didn't know about this whole mess(to defend myself i was busy with college stuff and everything)but i just recently saw their new MV "BLACK ROSE" and now everything makes sense!Sending all my love and hope to them so that they would be able to show the world that they still have so much more to show and prove!Hoping for their success and my fellow Black Rose let's continue to support our boys more than ever
13:45 is so infuriating and unprofessional, i hope the boys find another company and keep performing, i'd hate to see their talent wasted just like that
they also cancelled one of their europe concerts on november 22nd of last year (around two weeks prior to it) and never gave an actual explanation for it. we later found out they were going to an award show in germany (if i'm not mistaken) on the same day the concert was supposed to be held. i remember being really hurt about it but know that we know about this i believe it was j&star's solo decision and they did not include the band's opinion on it.
I'm a pretty new black rose and I've been busy with exams too. Now i feel so so bad for not knowing this was going on.. they work so hard and deserve so much love. Hearing this news breaks my heart. May everything be solved soon, and may they stay strong together through this process as well :( Thank you so much for this video too.
My heart bleeds for the Rose. I saw them in concert last year and to think my money didn't even go to them :( , I hope they find a better company and can keep their name and songs.
Can you do a video about Cube Entertainment? They're trash too😔 btw, all contents in this series are great and made me realize that there's a lot company in korea that mistreating their idols and even trainees.
Thank you for making this video because I never knew about the mistreatment of the rose. Which gave me a new point of view of why they didn't get that much comebacks and that the company overworked them. Which I am very sorry for the rose a lot and I wished I known about this before today.
The Rose diserved so much better, I can't wait till Dojoon, Hajoon and Jaehyung're released from the military. Thy need to have a spectacular comeback on their own 🌹🖤
I’m really glad I’m one of those people who finds out the good as well as the bad about everything they like. There are many people who aren’t willing to find out the bad and would rather stay ignorant as they think it would tarnish their view of what they like but if they really like it they will continue liking it as everything has bad things about them. Like if something is happening to their favorite artist they SHOULD learn about it so they can try to do things to help the artist. I’m glad there are people like you who are spreading information about some of the darker sides of kpop and I appreciate the amount of research and work you would have had to do to make these videos.
Don’t know how I missed this video/it’s only now showing up in my feed. But anyways great video as always, really love this series. An idea for a company you should do a video on for this series would be (DSP Media) as I think they would suit this series. Keep up the great videos!
I hope you would also address Music K Ent regarding The Ark's disbandment and also IZ's lack of promotions. I really love this series since the Pledis Ent video. Keep going and thank you for this.
First off, I want to thank you for talking about this. I've tried looking for information on the entire situation and I think you covered everything beautifully. So a job well done for that! I'm not entirely sure who to believe when it comes to this situation but I'm convinced that The Rose was definitely over worked. I remember when they went on superband I they were asked what they would do if one of them ended up being in the winning band and they replied that they had discussed it beforehand and that they would disband if that were the case and I found that such a weird thing for them to say because they had an really great debut for a kband and had the potential to do really well in the industry, risking it on the show seemed like a really bad idea. And that's one of the reasons why I think the sole reason they were on the show was for exposure. The company had definitely planned it that way because almost as soon as the show was done, woosung came out with face and his mini album and then a while later the rose came back with red and all this happened within a span of a few months. I don't even think Woosung got a moment to breathe. And I seriously doubt their mental health was taken into consideration. As far as the videos are concerned, they didn't take as much care of what they were putting out as they should have. This doesn't just apply to the She's in the rain music video. A while back I came across some people talking about a kiss scene between Woosung and the female actress in the the Baby music video. It is very brief, in fact you won't notice it unless you slow the video down. I personally don't really care for kiss scenes but considering how seriously some fans might have received such things I'm surprise they still included it. Thankfully nothing serious happened, but what I'm saying here is that this could have resulted in a bad scandal that could have spoilt the bands rep. As far as not being with J&Star is concerned, I think it may be a good decision. They don't post a lot now a days but whenever they do they seem to be happier and more relaxed and I am happy for that. I stand by The Rose on their decision to leave. Once again thank you for talking about this and you did an excellent job on your research!
It's sad to see groups that have all the potential in the world but due to the questionable decisions/schemes of that certain company to go along with their incompetence and ineptitude, their talents go to waste and its a damn shame 😔😔😔
Thank you for making this video, I really wanted more people to know about their situation so they could gain support. They're honestly so unique and their whole discography is amazing. I couldn't ask for a better band. I hope they'll get the justice they deserve and a proper company or management.
You need to do fnc. Today mina uploaded how jimin neglected and bullied her, and when her father died, the company didn't even cancel their schedule. She even was overdose on sleeping pills and had signs of self harm and she clearly said to the ceo that jimin is bullying her but they neglected her. Aoa's former member said in front of han sung ho, the ceo how he only likes and knows the names of popular members of groups. Lee hongki also dissed his ceo that he doesn't pay his artists. Underpaying, neglecting artists, unfair treatment, fat shaming, etc he is like the worst ceo
It would also be nice to hear about the best companies. By the way, awesome video, it’s admirable that you actually inform yourself and provide trustworthy information.
This whole thing breaks my heart honestly... I saw them live in November 2019 in Italy and it was the best experience of my entire life. Now that I realize how tired they must have been from the company overworking them I'm honestly in shock. On stage, they gave it their best. There wasn't a moment where they seemed tired or sick of performing. They truly love being on stage and the whole concert they looked so happy. Please support The Rose, these boys are one of the best things that have ever happened to me and knowing how much they love to perform for their fans but can't hurts me. PLEASE!! Support them. They truly deserve it.
i remember being really shocked when i saw the members posting what happened on their ain't accounts in both Korean and English.... media line ent will be an interesting company to explore about...im still hella mad about the abuse and what happened was so scary. i want more people to know about what companies are capable of. i was such a big fan of the eastlight...
Thank you for making this, I’ve been wanting to get into the Rose but before anything I wanted to understand what was going on with their company and this was so informative. I haven’t know them for long but I know these boys are nothing but good people!! I genuinely wish them the best now they are no longer part of a company. They deserved better :(
I'm so glad you make these videos. Thank you for trying to educate fans of the sometimes health-wise, mental and monetary damage of a lot of Kpop companies towards their artist.
Source music CEO: **sells his car to debut gfriend**
J&star: **steals its artist's profit**
I think he also sold his house Hahaha
Wait really??
@@dreamcatcherismylifesuppor2348 yes Hahaha that's why they are very close to the staff manager and ceo.
I hope he got a new car now djjdhd
Sounds like woolim. The ceo sold his house (I think it was) to help finance infinite. He even personally went to see (think it was) woohyun to recruit him into the group after he rejected.
The rose is currently without a company, so please, try to support and promote them a lot if they have a comeback! I've seen the rose live last year and i can't explain how much these boys love to be on stage! They deserved so much better from their company....
@I can't talk I can't enunciate 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Same, I can't believe they barely got paid for their wonderful work and tours. They're truly breathtaking on stage
do you know if they are planning to have a comeback anytime soon?
Same ! They looked so happy performing live and I really hope they get through this
Wait they aren't under a company?
Aren't they supposed to be under one?
Omg I hate this company! The Rose’s my favorite band 🥺
The fact they didnt pay them all these years of hard work is just disgusting😔im not even the biggest black rose but goddamn imagine being so disgusting to not pay ur workers/artist😔i really hope they are all feeling better now the members they never deserved any of this treatment
Same here. They are one of my top 3 bands PERIOD. As a huge Black Rose, this hurts. The boys don’t deserve this at all.
They have a comeback now... it's on their new youtube channel. The Rose Sound. Please subscribe to them and support
Promotion is good but too much is horrible I hope this company learns that
they never learn
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They have a comeback now... it's on their new youtube channel. The Rose Sound. Please subscribe to them and support
I understand companies wanting to take advantage of momentum their groups have in the moment but what they did to the rose was way too much
I feel so bad for The Rose. I’m a black rose and to see that they have all this talent and haven’t been paid since debut. Like what the hell. Talk about shitty entertainment companies. J&Star need help and need to realize what talent is and needs to pay these boys. Although I know that they are possibly gonna sue J&Star and move to a company that is actually a good one.
how can i support them? can i watch the music videos or would it go to j&star?
@@anacarolinacorredor I would recommend streaming their new MV "Black Rose", I'm guessing the song isn't under J&Star
Video Ideas:
How YG ruined their own groups (mismanagement and favouritism)
How Chrome Entertainment failed their Idols (promoting and mistreatment)
How DR Music mismanaged their idols (mismanagement obliviously)
How SS Entertainment mistreated their idols (mismanagement and no paying)
How WinningInSight M physically abused their idols (mistreatment obliviously)
How DSP Media mismanaged their Idols (mismanagement)
Yes, she definitely needs to do one abt YG!
Oh yes!
I feel like she'll do YG much later. Or do it in like 10 installments, because there's a lot to talk about
Yeeeeesssss give all the content ideas, I need more of these 💗🤣
The fact that Baby V.O.X has 9 PAST MEMBERS (I think Baby V.O.X has most past members among first generation idols) and Rania has 15 PAST MEMBERS (and still counting) are the reason why DR Music should be included.
imagine if The Rose went to a better company. They would be so famous rn. They're so talented and they are passionate in their field but they have no company to support them rn. I just hope for the best for this group. They deserve so much more
Yup, but I think even groups like CNBlue and FT Island are done dirty by "better companies"... I hope The Rose can find a better company to stay in
bighit please adopt our babies
I hope JYP or SM takes them. JYP thinks about the idols health and mentality all the time and let’s them take breaks if they need to. Or SM because even if they’re not the best, they’re good at managing
HowKpopSlayedMe they should join p nation
i hope they go to fnc where ftisland is
This series gives me life and is actually so enlightening
Love ur pfp
Sis who tf is that in your profile pic 💀
@@yaotzinxochitiotzi5613 srry for being an intermediator, but that is Chuu from LOONA
@@yaotzinxochitiotzi5613 stan loona
They have a comeback now... it's on their new youtube channel. The Rose Sound. Please subscribe to them and support
Who is excited for when she does YG Entertainment and Cube Entertainment
@@jiyerai6826 they still deserved to be featured tho...
She isnt gonna do one for yg. She is so unbelievably biased towards them because of bp. Yg is the worst of the worst. But she is too baised so, dont expect one for yg
@@tiff-anypaper3375 Lmao for what though? CUBE isn't even bad I-
Cleo ́ ikr people think Cube is bad cause they kicked HyunA and Edawn out even though it was HyunA’s fault chile-
eye It kinda is HuynA’s fault tbh
The Rose deserves better...I have been listening to them for awhile and I didn’t know how mistreated they were 😔
Where’s the 9 part YG special
She's a work in progress...
@@ChaennieLisoo Ayyy thank you! But take your time💜❤️
Dance and Vocal Studio 101 oh honey a month won’t even get us through 2ne1
Yes we need that lol
@@ChaennieLisoo lmao it'll be 7 hoirs long no doubt
I love the rose so much and they rly deserve better :(
the rose is my favorite band and i've been a fan of them since debut.... it makes me furious to hear j&star's bs claims about not paying the rose because ''they didn't earn any money''.
- they've been on multiple (sold out) world tours
- they write and produce their own music
- they released their albums through makestar, a crowd funding website, where they not only reached 100% of their funding goal, but actually earned more than TEN times the amount of money they wanted to earn
- don't quote me on this but i think most of the members even brought their own instruments when they joined the company
so i'm wondering: where did all that money go? what exactly was the reason they couldn't pay the rose for YEARS?
also, suddenly bringing up ''romantic partners'' and saying the rose were lying to the company seems kinda sus to me... feels like they're making up stuff to piss off the fans..? because the fanbase has been nothing but suppportive of the boys throughout their lawsuit and i haven't seen a single person side with the company.
i obviously don't know the members personally, but i'm 100% sure, without a doubt, that they're saying the truth, they're the kindest and most hard working artists i've ever had the pleasure to meet. i'm glad that they're out of that shit company and i hope from the bottom of my heart, that they'll get the support and love they deserve, when they continue making music in the future.
thank you for this video and bringing light to the rose's situation!
sorry for my bad english, btw ^^;
Your english was NOT bad. This was a good explanation
@@ariannahoward4579 ahh thank you 🥺
As a blackrose when I heard the news I was so upset. I saw them live last year and they were amazing
I love their music and they're awesome musicians they're my favorite band
same here. it's just so heartbreaking to see such a nice and hardworking band getting paid dust.
where did you see them?
Most of The black roses have seen them live!!!
J&Star make them have presentations everywhere.
They have such a gorgeous and unique sound and it pains me to think how little it seems they made because of their company. I even remember thinking last year ‘God, it seems like they tour a lot. I wish they would focus on new material instead’
Considering how profitable concerts can be in comparison to a comeback (YG am looking at you) it is so infuriating how exploited they were.
i'm hhappy you talked about it. the boys honestly deserve better :(
j&StAr BeLoNgS To ThE sTrEeTs
also for their 2019 'we rose you' tour, i'm 95% sure their tour schedule made them have a concert every other day, with the day between being for transport. imagine how tired they must've been, having to perform with no rest. i hope the members remember black roses rose then, and i hope everyone else who isnt a black rose checks out their music and shows their support. the rose mean so much to me, they are a truly amazing band 🌹
I think it was on Arirang Radio where the topic of a quite packed tour schedule came up and Dojoon said, that they had more free time on tour than at home... I can't even imagine how little time they had
Dude.... check out concerts of any other bands ... it’s much worse
Kpop honestly have much more rests in between shows
I'm learning so much about kpop companies that I never knew, and I'm glad I do now. It's good to know what's going on with your faves
it is so important to know whats going on and not close your eyes like many fans do :( i get that they dont want to ruin their view on the company or industry itself BUT we must know about the mistreatment of so many groups... often we cant do much but we can support them even more at least
I'm just going to outright say it, this company is disgusting. When confronted with the damage they'd inflicted they immediatey opted to shift the blame onto their own artists and use whatever they had, blatant lies probably included, to clean their own name. Despite absences, dating history etc. not being part of the issue at all, they were hoping it would spark negative response from fans that would turn them against the group. It's despicable and completely unacceptable. I hope The Rose will be able to recover and continue to have a successful career without their horrible former company and that no one ever auditions for it again. Truly.
J&star lost a gem, really. The Rose is so talented and they are [still] very well loved. J&star really said all that bad stuff so that fans would unstan but it backfired, I’m glad the Rose were able to leave their company and they’re working on new music at this moment
I really have no words in this matter. The Rose are so talented and they have amazing songs 🥺🥺. It’s truly a shame they’re going through this and their talent is being wasted like this. I really hope they’re ok and they know so many fans stand with them ❤️💕❤️
The Rose could be up there with Day6 in terms of recognition if they were promoted better. Personally I don’t like Day6’s music but the contrast between the two bands would be nice to see more of
Also the whole statement @13:51 is sooo passive-aggressive I can’t even believe they thought it would make them look good
This series is one of my favourites on RUclips. Really eye-opening and thanks for making it!! I really hope you could make a video on TOP Media some day. They've done so many bad things throughout the years it's time someone with your voice and audience exposed them.
They have mistreated and poorly managed every group they've debuted so far except for MCND (but alas it is only the beginning of their career and I fear for these kids). Teen Top carry the company's name, had a successful debut, but as soon as they got popular, TM sent them on a tour instead of trying to promote them more actively, thus losing the hype around them. It's been almost a year since they last had a comeback and one of the members recently said that the company pushes them to make RUclips videos and doesn't care about their music and that they're making 70$ each month.
They debuted another boygroup called 100% and basically let them rot in the dungeon. They didn't care about them at all to the point where they even gave them worse meals than Teen Top because "Teen Top are the more popular ones", although there was no bad blood between the two. They barely give 100% comeback and promotions and it's obvious that they won't put any effort into them. Even after their leader passed away suddenly TM wouldn't allow the fans to create a memorial for him and did nothing to support the group during this difficult time.
After 100% TM debuted Up10tion, a 10 member boy group. They had a successful debut and their career was going upwards but sadly one of the members got involved in a scandal that was proven to be false. TM did not handle the situation well at all, but thankfully let the member take a hiatus from activities after his mental health deteriorated. This is the only good thing TM has done for these boys, but unfortunately they stopped caring about Up10tion there and then. Even when their member returned from hiatus TM promoted them badly. They sent two of the members, Wooseok and Jinhyuk, to PDX, where they excelled and gained immense popularity. Wooseok made it into X1 but Jinhyuk was eliminated despite being one of the most popular trainees. TM could have used his fame to promote their group but instead chose to debut him solo and BAN HIM from speaking about his Up10tion members as well as Up10tion's fans and vice versa. The group had their last comeback last summer and one of the members told fans that they had no support from the company during promotions. And when Wooseok came back from X1 they did the same with him. They also put the group's leader on hiatus after he got involved with fake dating rumors and have since said that he is on a break for health reasons and that Up10tion will comeback as 7 this summer, but nothing more has been said.
Their newest boygroup is MCND. What was surprising was how much money and promotions TM gave them, despite being a rookie group. They went all out with promoting them, but it seems to have reached the point of them being overworked. They have new MVs for their songs being released all the time and just finished promotions for the first time in months since their debut.
It breaks my heart to see so many talented boys get their dreams crushed because of their company and I feel like the kpop community needs to know what is going on. I have a soft spot for Up10tion as they are my ultimate group and I am seeing the members in such a devastating condition, even those who the company is now promoting as soloists, and they need all the attention they can get.
There is a thread on Twitter with even more information: twitter.com/unvsjen/status/1236072875347644417?s=20
If you reached this point, I sincerely thank you. Please give a voice to my boys and all the boys under this terrible company who can't use their own to reach out for help.
Poor MCND, they are actually overworked. Two comebacks as new artists within four days of each other! (i think?) I love 100% and Teen Top's music, but could never stan properly because TM mismanages them so badly.
@@miawithsuga5868 TM seems to not want their groups to be successful. I don't even know what else to think at this point. It's so disappointing. I hope all their artists leave the company once their contracts expire and start over somewhere better. They deserve so much more than this.
Seriously!! I love Teen Top, 100%, and up10tion, and to me, they have some of my favourite songs in kpop, as well as, as far as I could tell, great personalities. I had hoped that the bad management was behind them, but when I heard about all the of problems that the members of up10tion are STILL having, it just makes me mad and extremely disappointed. MCND is one of my favourite rookie groups too, and they're so incredible, it would be awful if something bad was happening behind the scenes. Anyway, I would definitely watch a video on TOP media
Wait do they not have a girl group yet?
@@andredrw289 They only take male trainees
i love this series for shedding light on this topic x
Seems like anything with “J” and “Star” in their name is problematic 🤭
Who are people that name was start from j and star??
Sorry i dont know
@@strawberry_q9216 jeffree star, I guess
My phone: sAmsUng j 7 sTaR
The Rose deserves better. periodt.
Just this morning I was wondering how the lawsuit was going and then you post.
Love u
That can't be a coincidence! Love you too 💓
May or may not have cried a little while watching this. The Rose have gone through SO MUCH they didn't deserve, I remember feeling so sad when I heard about the lawsuit. I hope they get compensated for their troubles, and sign with a company that actually cares about their wellbeing. Thank you for this informative series 🖤🖤.
Black Rose🖤🌹 here
Thank you for taking about this and spreading awareness. And to all Black Rose, let’s keep fighting for our boys and show them love and support. 🥀
Fighting💪
Could you maybe do "the best entertainment companies" as well? RBW, P Nation for example
Idk if the content would be as interesting but it would be good to hear you talking about the good things entertainment companies have done as well!
Also KQ as far as a I know
And BBC loona's company
(I think)
@@hereinlin BBC isn't actually that good...
@@hipeople9856 KQ is not bad, but has overworked ATEEZ and not granted members enough time to recover from injuries
hit the kwan They aren’t as bad as other companies but they’re still shitty.
Thank you so much for working so hard and doing such thorough research! It's really cleanly put and it was a relief for me and my three braincells.
I really hope The Rose can just manage themselves (although the Kpop industry really dun werk like that)
Imagine how The Rose would pave the way for self management and ACTUAL talents will come into limelight because the audience gets to choose a band's popularity based on music and taste. It'll be like a whole ass movement- aaaand I'm getting way ahead of myself
I don't know The Rose a lot, only listen to Sorry (which is an incredible song), but few of my friends really love this band and went to their concert.
But I was shocked when the news came out. It makes me so mad and sick to see these artists working without any break and being treated like that.
Is this that difficult to treat people decently and pay them correctly... I don't understand why having an agency when you can't offer the minimum decent things such as good work condition, trust, correct payment, treatment etc...
Thank you for this episode, I really hope The Rose will succeed in getting back on their feet.
can we talk about how much work was put into this video? 🤩 we stan a hardworking queen ✊.
thank you so much for this video!! this company's problems had to be adressed
You know as soon as J&Star turned and tried to slander the rose it made me think they knew about the images. It's the same behavior, turn and snap at someone else and shift the blame away. It's a shame the Rose was/is an amazing band. Yeah I know some kbands in history spent years without being paid, but the tours alone should have put money into their pockets. And the fact, if true, the company made promises that was to great for it's britches. Rather then being open and honest they did what so many companies have done and screwed over their money makers.
*_I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED_*
thanks for informed on this matter and for standing with The Rose.
I LOVE THE ROSE FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABT THE ROSE MISTREATMENT
channie is back! i missed you girl. i love the series and the way you explained this all. thanks sis
The queen is back exposing terrible companies. I missed you so much 😁💕
It feels so sad to watch this because I saw The Rose live in December for a K-pop convention in Toronto, I was a brand new Black Rose at the time so I wasn't aware of their schedule, their stage was my favourite that day and I feel a bit guilty now knowing they were going through so much, I even got a hi-touch with them, they were so friendly and hardworking they deserve the best so it sucks that the J&Star stuff is happening
When J&Star complained, "their dating is causing problems" and Black Roses collectively screamed "LET THEM GET LAID."
Bro, that's so messed up. I've been a fan of The Rose for a year or so and didn't know they were being screwed over like this. It's truly saddening. THE ROSE FIGHTING. SUPPORT THE ROSE.🌹🖤
I love the rose so much );
Please cover the Mnet Vote Rigging Controversy and How CJ E&M threw X1 under the bus
"we are suffering huge losses.."
14:37 - Thought they didn't make any profit? How can you suffer a loss if you didnt get a profit? Lying through their teeth. Say you have the documents proving that they did get paid, proving the members said they received the payment, but can't send copies of it to them?
I just hope The Rose comes out on top and continues to be successful after this, whatever they choose to do next.
The constant touring reminded me of another group...the band barely had 2 songs/singles and already had a tour- I get that they were popular, but couldn't the tour wait until after they at least had a mini album? Not important to the issue but just my opinion
25 seconds never pressed to fast!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING ABOUT THIS! as a huge fan of the rose, the news saddened me so much. especially because I felt really betrayed since I was at their concert and bought their official merch, where did my money go?
Omg I'm actually somewhat early for once, and I haven't even watched the video yet-
I love this series because it can show us how much companies can over-exert their idols, I hope more companies take better care of their idols...
god i miss them so much, the boys deserve the world and still are so loving to the black roses
honestly idk whats worse being over worked or being left in the dungeon for years , this industry is ruthless, even tho i dont know anything about The Rose i can relate this video to Twice's early 2017 to early 2019 (2 year period) were they had comebacks every month between Korea and Japan (plus all the tours and other promotional things they did at the time) and at that time i was seriously scared for them, they had no time to even sleep, so i can just imagine how the fans of The rose feel... but at the same time i see how frustrated idols get when they dont get any work (and ofc thats totally normal considering no promotions mean no money made) not to mention in this industry u can be forgotten in 0.2 seconds if u dont have a stable comeback schedule, so this is a shitty situation overall
"not to mention in this industry u can be forgotten in 0.2 seconds if u dont have a stable comeback schedule, so this is a shitty situation overall" THIS, the public forgets you in one single month unless you are already established. It's sad.
I've been a kpop stan for a long time and I've just gotta say that the kpop industry is one of the worst industries ever. It's toxic and manufactured, and I don't wanna admit it because I love kpop so much - but it is.
I clicked as fast as I could
This series is what kept me going through quarantine 💕💖
Thank you for this, this was very detailed and informative. You have clearly done an immense amount of informed research which definitely shows an unbiased and truthful perspective of the situation. I love the Rose so so much, and it makes me distraught knowing they can't continue doing what they love because of things out of their hand. I only wish they can come back, hopefully under a fair, new agency.
Thank you a lot for doing this videos
Means so much, Blackrose know we need to protect them now is our time and give to them all the love as we can.
When them find a new company being happy for them
omg i’m so glad you made this one! i’ve been trying to find out more information on the lawsuit and i could only find the boys’ original statement!
It sucks that J&Star has been treating them so terrible...Artists are not robots, they too need breaks! and they got no profit from any of those promotions and tours? It’s terrible to hear.
I hope they win the lawsuit soon and be free to create and play music again. What a shame to these companies if this lingers on.
Thank you so much for talking about this! I was completely caught off guard when I found out they hadn't been paid. They did so much through Makestar and MyMusicTaste plus touring constantly, it's unbelievable! I hope they can move on from that trash company because they're my favorite band.
I just love this series because it gives you a look into these companies and show you that no company is good some companies have skeletons in their closet! That’s why I love watching this series, it’s informative.
Bruh-I was just about to start looking into this band, I hope they can continue someday with a better company 😖 well I still can, it’ll help them anyways 🥺
I love this series, thank you for taking the time to research all of this! I have been a Black Rose since 2018, and I was so shocked when I found out about their poor treatment in February. They really do deserve better, and I think your videos spread a lot of awareness to how entertainment companies mistreat their idols.
There's just one tiny error I want to point out to avoid confusion for those who are newer to or not in the fandom: The Rose's former name is "Windfall" and not "Windmill".
Let's keep supporting The Rose 🌹
The only good thing J&Star company had done was knowing The Rose is talent and signed them in. Because they went on music bank, I found them when I was watching. "Like we used to" drew me in. I went to their concert in Seoul. They are not small at all, it's a sold out show. The venue is very crowded and too small to hold all of us. Also they even went on promo for exposure on the Gangnam Yongdongdaero concert
okay i know that i am sooo late to this whole ordeal but i just wanna say thank you for this insight.The rose is one of my fav kpop band and i feel ashamed that i didn't know about this whole mess(to defend myself i was busy with college stuff and everything)but i just recently saw their new MV "BLACK ROSE" and now everything makes sense!Sending all my love and hope to them so that they would be able to show the world that they still have so much more to show and prove!Hoping for their success and my fellow Black Rose let's continue to support our boys more than ever
I miss them lots! I hope they find a better company and debut again!~
Finally someone talks about the rose!!!!
I love you and your channel ❤️💜
Finallyyy a new video to these good series.Let's shade some companies and support the artists that are hurted by the awful companies!
13:45 is so infuriating and unprofessional, i hope the boys find another company and keep performing, i'd hate to see their talent wasted just like that
it's 2021 and I am starting to stan the rose i hope a big company will adopt them huhuhu
they also cancelled one of their europe concerts on november 22nd of last year (around two weeks prior to it) and never gave an actual explanation for it.
we later found out they were going to an award show in germany (if i'm not mistaken) on the same day the concert was supposed to be held.
i remember being really hurt about it but know that we know about this i believe it was j&star's solo decision and they did not include the band's opinion on it.
I really love and appreciate this series, it is so important to talk about things like this. thank you for your hard work!
Thank you! 💓
I'm a pretty new black rose and I've been busy with exams too. Now i feel so so bad for not knowing this was going on.. they work so hard and deserve so much love. Hearing this news breaks my heart. May everything be solved soon, and may they stay strong together through this process as well :(
Thank you so much for this video too.
My heart bleeds for the Rose. I saw them in concert last year and to think my money didn't even go to them :( , I hope they find a better company and can keep their name and songs.
You are the Trap Lore Ross of shady Kpop companies with all your thorough investigation work, thank you for sharing the knowledge with us!!
Can you do a video about Cube Entertainment? They're trash too😔 btw, all contents in this series are great and made me realize that there's a lot company in korea that mistreating their idols and even trainees.
Thank you for making this video because I never knew about the mistreatment of the rose. Which gave me a new point of view of why they didn't get that much comebacks and that the company overworked them. Which I am very sorry for the rose a lot and I wished I known about this before today.
The Rose diserved so much better, I can't wait till Dojoon, Hajoon and Jaehyung're released from the military. Thy need to have a spectacular comeback on their own 🌹🖤
I’m really glad I’m one of those people who finds out the good as well as the bad about everything they like. There are many people who aren’t willing to find out the bad and would rather stay ignorant as they think it would tarnish their view of what they like but if they really like it they will continue liking it as everything has bad things about them. Like if something is happening to their favorite artist they SHOULD learn about it so they can try to do things to help the artist. I’m glad there are people like you who are spreading information about some of the darker sides of kpop and I appreciate the amount of research and work you would have had to do to make these videos.
Don’t know how I missed this video/it’s only now showing up in my feed. But anyways great video as always, really love this series. An idea for a company you should do a video on for this series would be (DSP Media) as I think they would suit this series. Keep up the great videos!
thank you so much for bringing this situation to light... i love the rose so much they have gone through a lot
I hope you would also address Music K Ent regarding The Ark's disbandment and also IZ's lack of promotions. I really love this series since the Pledis Ent video. Keep going and thank you for this.
The Ark lasted very little and I'm afraid IZ might disband if they keep go unnoticed...
First off, I want to thank you for talking about this. I've tried looking for information on the entire situation and I think you covered everything beautifully. So a job well done for that!
I'm not entirely sure who to believe when it comes to this situation but I'm convinced that The Rose was definitely over worked. I remember when they went on superband I they were asked what they would do if one of them ended up being in the winning band and they replied that they had discussed it beforehand and that they would disband if that were the case and I found that such a weird thing for them to say because they had an really great debut for a kband and had the potential to do really well in the industry, risking it on the show seemed like a really bad idea. And that's one of the reasons why I think the sole reason they were on the show was for exposure. The company had definitely planned it that way because almost as soon as the show was done, woosung came out with face and his mini album and then a while later the rose came back with red and all this happened within a span of a few months. I don't even think Woosung got a moment to breathe. And I seriously doubt their mental health was taken into consideration.
As far as the videos are concerned, they didn't take as much care of what they were putting out as they should have. This doesn't just apply to the She's in the rain music video. A while back I came across some people talking about a kiss scene between Woosung and the female actress in the the Baby music video. It is very brief, in fact you won't notice it unless you slow the video down. I personally don't really care for kiss scenes but considering how seriously some fans might have received such things I'm surprise they still included it. Thankfully nothing serious happened, but what I'm saying here is that this could have resulted in a bad scandal that could have spoilt the bands rep.
As far as not being with J&Star is concerned, I think it may be a good decision. They don't post a lot now a days but whenever they do they seem to be happier and more relaxed and I am happy for that. I stand by The Rose on their decision to leave. Once again thank you for talking about this and you did an excellent job on your research!
Please support this talented boys🤧
Stream BLACK ROSE they dedicated it to us
It's sad to see groups that have all the potential in the world but due to the questionable decisions/schemes of that certain company to go along with their incompetence and ineptitude, their talents go to waste and its a damn shame 😔😔😔
Thank you for making this video, I really wanted more people to know about their situation so they could gain support. They're honestly so unique and their whole discography is amazing. I couldn't ask for a better band. I hope they'll get the justice they deserve and a proper company or management.
ɪ ʟᴏᴠᴇ ᴛʜɪs sᴇʀɪᴇs sᴏ ᴍᴜᴄʜ ❤❤❤
please keep making these. they’re so interesting.
You need to do fnc. Today mina uploaded how jimin neglected and bullied her, and when her father died, the company didn't even cancel their schedule. She even was overdose on sleeping pills and had signs of self harm and she clearly said to the ceo that jimin is bullying her but they neglected her. Aoa's former member said in front of han sung ho, the ceo how he only likes and knows the names of popular members of groups. Lee hongki also dissed his ceo that he doesn't pay his artists. Underpaying, neglecting artists, unfair treatment, fat shaming, etc he is like the worst ceo
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It would also be nice to hear about the best companies. By the way, awesome video, it’s admirable that you actually inform yourself and provide trustworthy information.
Hey guys sad update !!!! The court have denied the roses request for their contract to be terminated!!!!
thank you for providing us with such quality content! i wish there was no need for a series like this to exist
Been really enjoying your content for the past few months. Subscribed officially.
Thank you! 😌🙏🏻
I rly hope they win. They're the nicest guys ever 💜
This whole thing breaks my heart honestly... I saw them live in November 2019 in Italy and it was the best experience of my entire life. Now that I realize how tired they must have been from the company overworking them I'm honestly in shock. On stage, they gave it their best. There wasn't a moment where they seemed tired or sick of performing. They truly love being on stage and the whole concert they looked so happy. Please support The Rose, these boys are one of the best things that have ever happened to me and knowing how much they love to perform for their fans but can't hurts me. PLEASE!! Support them. They truly deserve it.
i remember being really shocked when i saw the members posting what happened on their ain't accounts in both Korean and English....
media line ent will be an interesting company to explore about...im still hella mad about the abuse and what happened was so scary. i want more people to know about what companies are capable of. i was such a big fan of the eastlight...
Thank you for making this, I’ve been wanting to get into the Rose but before anything I wanted to understand what was going on with their company and this was so informative. I haven’t know them for long but I know these boys are nothing but good people!! I genuinely wish them the best now they are no longer part of a company. They deserved better :(
this series is so enlightening
Yeeeey! New video!! We really appreciate you shedding light on these issues that we tend to overlook sometimes 💕💕
I'm so glad you make these videos. Thank you for trying to educate fans of the sometimes health-wise, mental and monetary damage of a lot of Kpop companies towards their artist.
Wow I just looked up this series to relisten to it and you posted a new one!!!