Ilia 4 Quads and not selected, Nathan Chen 6 time US Champion - US CHAMPIONSHIPS 2022 (men)
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The first event of the year is over ! and here is a recap of what happened yesterday in the men skating ! many surprises, Ilia landing all of his jumps and Nathan winning again + the olympic team announce !
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Jason is my favorite make skater, but still, he’s been to an olympics in 2014, and he has no chance to medal at the olympics. It seems strange they wouldn’t choose Ila over him. Vincent was a mess, but when he’s on, he can beat the world champion and has a chance to medal at the olympics. Ila should be going to the olympics, he’s the future of the sport and rightfully earned a spot.
I love his skating as well. But, the Olympics is a COM-PE-TI-TION and Jason can't compete. End of story.
Thank you
Jason has more artistic ability than any of the others. If artistic counts Jason should do well.
i do Understand that jason are some of the few skaters Who can Have good Jumps score without quad and so artistic when skating But Still it should be Ilia for Olympic , :(
I love Jason but he won't make the top 7. but the selection was based on the performance over the season not on the US nationals alone. Still, Ilia would have been in the final group for the FS at the Olympics with this program and had a shot at bronze at least, if other skaters faltered. Vincent has a clear shot at a medal if he can control his nerves. I hope they get him a sports psychologist before the games.
Successfully demonstrating 4Lutz, 4S&4T with technical skills & consistency at his senior debut, Lila, even at 17 years of age, deserves his chance of going Beijing Olympic. By scrutinizing their skating in the recent days yet with strategy, Nathan, Vincent & Lila should be selected aiming to seize the opportunity of showing on podium.
Folks, it's not 2001 anymore. Sure, 20+ years ago quads were relatively new for the men, and you could still beat a one-quad program with artistic triples. But it's 2022 now. EVERY man who wants to see a podium is expected to land 2-3 quads in the long program and one in the short. Jason can barely do one quad, sometimes. Yeah, he's got the experience and body of work, but what will that accomplish for Jason? 6-7 even more perfect and artistic triples, AGAIN? Look, Jason's career dead-ended five years ago as other men out-quaded him. But Malinin has a lot of room to develop and even eventually surpass Nathan. Malinin _deserves_ that international senior experience. I'd rather see Ilia go splat in Beijing and then use that experience to KILL IT in 2026, than to watch Jason skate yet another exhibition program.
This is why I respect team Russia because they put personality aside and pick the best/most likely to medal. I like Jason he is my favorite US male skater but I don't think he should be on the Olympics team over Ilia. He doesn't have a quad and cannot help the team, in the team event.
I figure they chose Jason because he has more experience in international competitions, but the fact is pretty obvious that ilia is the stronger skater, he brings style and technique to the table, especially on the lutz, which I think Jason’s technique consistently questionable on. Strategically, it would have made more sense to send ilia because he has a greater chance of winning a medal. Is he at least going to 4 continents?
He’s 1st alternate so the USFS is not risking it, rightfully so. The Olympics are just 2 weeks after so why bring him to another competition and risk him peaking too early and/or catching COVID? He needs to stay focused on the Olympics because quite frankly, he still has a shot as any of the 3 olympians could catch COVID between now and the actual Olympics (hopefully not but it’s a possibility). If we don’t see him at the Olympics, I hope he gets a shot at Worlds.
@@mr.d4ve Alternate for 4 continents or the olympics?
@@ssaverance1828 Olympics
Shows everyone that something is terribly wrong with our Olympic committee
Remember the Wagner/ Nagaso episode yeah
Ilia will be next star after Nathan ☄️
Unless Russia or Japan comes out with a new star too. Their battles would be legendary! 🤩
@@pahoellyyy Sorry, from what I have seen so far, there is nobody up and coming that is even close to Malinin.....
@@paolocastellano2771 Yuma Kagiyama is also a great rising star. Looking forward to the battle between him and Ilia in the future.
Wrong wrong wrong ! The politics of figure skating …. total loss of credibility here . Ilia should go ! Give me a freaking break
Makes u realize why people don’t watch it anymore…
Sending Jason is a big mistake!!!
Sport… ha!
My coach was there & SO UPSET about new 17 year old superstar with a flawless performance, and the fact that he's not in the running. STOLEN from him.
Truly tragic.
Nathan is a star on ice🤣
#sendiliatotheolympics
legit he looks like a comet 🤣
He's gorgeous 😍
I'd personally not send Vincent, but that was never going to happen. My problem with Jason is he's gone before and has a team medal. I'm not exactly sure why we are supposed to care if he goes again? This is not a Mariah or Adam story where they were older skaters who had never made it. He hasn't improved his tech content at all either.
The only reason we can take 3 men is because of an international competition Vincent won.
@@pennyfurr3216 and the only reason he had to win a competition to get the 3rd olympic spot is because he flopped so bad at worlds 2021 that he didn't even make it to the free skate. he LOST the third spot in the first place. 🙄
Yeah, Jason has had many years to work on his quads and still hasn’t gotten them. Even with his best score ever, it won’t come close to the podium. It’s a wasted space to send him. He is a beautiful skater, but not worthy of the Olympics when both the men’s and women’s medal contenders are doing quads. What is the U.S. Olympic committee thinking? Makes no sense.
@@shalom968 Finally someone agrees that Jason doesn't have it
We care because we favors Jason, he is a gay athlete. huge fanbase
I almost feel Ilia skated better than Nathan! He should have def been chosen for Olympics team!
Who's on US team as of now?
Yes. Ilia skated better than the 17-year-old Nathan.
@@purrformance Nathan, Vincent, and Jason
Skated cleaner, but Nathan had higher base value more difficult quad combos in the second half, and incredible consistency, Almost always getting small mistakes out of the way early in the season after peaking too soon in the last Olympic year, and a three time world champ (likely 4 time had 2020 not been cancelled-also sad for Kostornaia), so with his consistency and his international results undefeated since the Olympics until skate America thankfully leading to changed programs, his scores will be higher than Ilia’s due to the increased difficulty, base value and quality of his jumps, consistency and cool head in competition (unlike Vincent who is a disaster bound to happen again) and his combined international competition results, world standing and senior level PCS while Ilia has never competed senior until this Nationals, and while he won his jr Grand Prix events and qualified to the final, so did all the other three senior men (Nathan Vincent and Jason) which are some of the selection criteria looking at overall results over the last quad at major comps (which I think should leave Vincent off the team with his Nats performance and history mopping the ice with his butt and choking when it really counts, like not even qualifying the free skate at last year worlds, while,Jason has insane quality, top ten placements and best PCS and earned the third mens spot) and his components have thus far internationally been on par with juniors (though he is a gorgeous skater) partly because he had mistakes on the junior grand prix and little experience in main start competitions. I almost feel as though they should have sent him to senior Grand Prix and. Ha;ledgers so he could at least build a senior body of work and show how he handles major senior international competitions-because he learned quads over 2 Covid years and the quality of his skating and artistry would be made more sense for them to give him senior Grand Prix assignments to give him international experience and competitive portfolio and test his consistency and stability in major comps before nationals. The US is the worst at developing new talent. Had the assigned him senior grand prixs, then would have set him up nicely similar to Alina Zagitova in 2018 by ensuring she had challenger events, Japan Open, grand prixs with success qualifying her to the final where she won, euros where she won and finally the Olympics. Granted, she had won all jrgp’s and major junior titles the year prior whereas I believe this is ilia’s second competitive season as a junior competing, an until this year had minimal,success of one challenger series bronzeso he didn’t really have the successes of winning a title at jr GP, jrGPF and jr worlds until this season, finishing 16th at last junior worlds and no final, , but he won jrGP qualifier for the final this season, having learned three quads with five total, unfortunately making errors on both quads the first jrGP and one of the 2 in the second, but still good enough to win the jr gp’s and qualify to the final. The US just did not play their cards right with this kid and develop and utilize their young talent before their growth spurts or injuries due to intensity of training and physically taxing programs due to quads (and for Alina without quads due to her jumps getting bonuses in second half and her lutz loop in second half racking up the same points as a quad would give, and the difficulty level on par with difficulty of quads due to how insanely difficult and physically taxing that program was and how hard training and competing the way they do in practice and competitive. Wore out her knees). Ilia is still quite slender and growing a bit delayed, but his super slender body and weight, makes rotating his quads effortless right now, so why not maximize medal potential or high placement while they come easy to him because combined with his artistry and skating skills if he holds up under Olympic pressure as his literal first international senior competition, I think he has more potential to challenge for a spot with the best than inconsistent, under rotations and falling apart under pressure, non world free skate qualifying Vincent Zhou. I don’t think it should have been between Jason and Ilia, but Vincent and Ilia, with Ilia clearly the right choice, because Jason Brown finished top ten at World’s securing the third men’s spot, also being consistent and reliable with unrivaled quality of elements and artistry-like a master class in spins, foot work, flexibility, musicality, performance quality and dedication from start to finish even if he makes a mistake-his quality GOE’s allows him to compete with quads jumpers and he feels his performances and emotes into the top row. I believe he earned it over Vincent and Jason, and Jason should have placed above Vincent as well. He is known for choking when it counts and his free skate is empty and unmemorable without quads and clean skate while Ilia has youth, minimal competition range, but gorgeous technique, beautiful quads and air position, great artistry and skating skills and youthful attitude of having nothing to lose at this point-which is what I think helped Alina Zagitova at euros and Olympics-she wasn’t weighted down with heavy titles yet or intrusive, mean-spirited media meant to steal her joy and undercut her achievements, like she had at Worlds that year with everyone pandering to Zhenya and tearing a 15 year old to shreds. I don’t see that happening to Ilia,but I can see him adding a youthful optimism and gorgeous skating to an underperforming,in US team (aside from men and dance). That would be a perfect combination-Jason brings the master class skating and artistry PCS, Nathan brings the high scoring quad combos in the second half and one hell of a consistent amazing rotating position that typically works like a well oiled machine and the excitement and Ilia would be a happy medium between the two when Vincent seems almost guaranteed to choke and not enough to mask the woefully underperforming triple double ladies squad.
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I agree they showed favorites on the men's selection. Jason has outgrown the point system in order for him to be on the podium. The future for the USA is with going with young fresh talent! The selection committee needs to get up to speed with the scoring system!
Ilia Malinin not going to the Olympics is a travesty. Very disappointed in the US Olympic Committe decision. In the meantime, Yuzuru Hanyu of Japan landed a Quad axel in practice and did a Quad axel in competition with a misstep in the landing and easily won the Japanese Nationals with no falls. What Is the USA team thinking in not letting this incredible young US Skater a chance to medal for the US in the Olympics? However, I am really looking forward to seeing the great competition between Nathan and Yuzuru who have a great respect for one another.
literally the best comment
Wait Yuzu landed a 4A in practice? I thought it was underrotated
I looked all over, it doesn’t say Yuzuru landed quad Axel, can you send a link pls?)
When asked about Ilia compared to him back in 2016, this is Nathan's reply:
"Ilia is miles better than I was in 2016."
Such a humble human being. Nathan deserves all the respect from fans. Given his humility, Nathan fans should look forward to Ilia's growth into a super star on the ice in the near future too. Unlike the other obnoxious fandom that has been constantly dissing Nathan for the resentment that their fave has been on a losing streak to Nathan for years, Nathan fans should look up to Nathan's incredible sportsmanship and meekness. I guess an elite athlete's attitude and genuine respect for his peer rivals or younger rising stars do have a great impact on how his fans respond to these peer competitors' performances and how they will decently respect all of them, not hating on them. This is one of the main reasons why Nathan, not the other haughty one, is always my favorite athlete.
😱🤣🤣🤣
Okay but Yuzuru is much better than Nathan, and no matter how good is Ilia Yuzu will always be GOAT, cry about it
You seem to have something against "that haughty one". What did he ever do to you?
@@emi283 the obnoxious fandom has arrived, lol.
@@ws-yc7ue Nathan follows a very old Chinese school of dealing with people: very humble, give credit to everyone and always elevate other people's achievement. Meanwhile, we are more used to flashy and self promoting athletes. So some people even take Nathan's words at face value and immediately pronounce : XYZ is better than Nathan as even he himself admits it. No, Nathan is trying to be very traditional Chinese suave and not to antagonize anyone even at the expense of his own reputation. I think he believes with his complete domination after 2018 Olympics, he doesn't need to tell everyone he is the best. His records speak for his supremacy.
I like Nathan. He is a very smart, self effacing and genuinely nice young man. But I also think he is shrewd enough to realize that him being humble helps him a lot on the endorsement deals. I don't think his family is as stressed for money as they were 10 years ago. Still they are by no means now a super rich family. Indeed with the Olympic gold and a totally wholesome and likeable image, Nathan can easily pull in $2 to $4 millions endorsement this year. Olympian time frame for fortune is very short. So why should Nathan endanger that pot of gold by getting in a feud with anyone (Ilia or Hanyu) ?
Jason Brown has no chance of medaling. What is the point of sending someone whois technically deficient?
They need a skater who won’t flop in the short program during the team competition. That’s why Jason got a spot. If anything Ilia should’ve been chosen over Vincent. Vincent was severely overscored in the free program.
Wasted spot and opportunity for a sweep. It's impossible for Jason to win unless everyone has disastrous performances. If Jason cares to do what's right and fair, he should give his spot to Ilia
if u think a US men's sweep at the olympics is even possible then ur living in delusion. team shouldve been nate, ilia, jason. vincent wouldn't have even been on the podium if tech panel did their job and called all his underrotations. but yk, typical us politicking. anyway, jason worked his ass off over this quad to make it to this team, and his body of work alone grants him a ticket to the olympics. if you have a brain and remember, it was JASON and nathan's results at worlds that even made it possible for the men to have 3 olympic spots because, oh yeah, VINCENT was the one who flopped at worlds and didn't even make it to the free skate.
@@megan631 ... If Ilia does this well in the Olympics, then yes, he might medal. And if Vincent skates clean, a sweep is possible. But not with Brown. If you have a working brain, you should know that Brown's program's base value is nowhere near the top world skaters. He has to pray for others to fail their quads so he can be in the top 10. That's his only strategy, and he still won't medal. He should give his spot to Ilia. You're the one who's delusional if you think that Brown stands a chance. He could not even beat Ilia in the nationals.
@@megan631 Lol yikes. It's very unlikely with the Japanese men in the mix for the US to sweep, but not impossible. Jason is a fantastic skater but he isn't on an Olympic level for 2022 point blank period. Body of work only gets you so far when other skaters are doing much more advanced skating. Also chill out and stop insulting people, lord.
@@xclaudia97 Jason sucks
Alexander A, YES!
I think Ilia is the next Yuzuru Hanyu!!! He just skates so beautiful. And his jumps are just like Yuzuru!!!
Yes,i watched him and thought he looks like a younger Yuzuru
He might get to that point but not yet
I can see he is definitely inspired a lot by Yuzuru in his skating style.
As much as I love the GOAT, I think Ilia's jumps will be better because his arms don't flail as much (which is characteristic of the GOAT's casual, relaxed style, but it can look too lackadaisical).
Not even close
This is like a flashback when Ashley Wagner was 4th and got chosen. The only difference is that Ashley got more hate but they didn't seem to mind as much Jason got picked instead of Ilia. I like Jason a lot but Ilia should've been the right pick for Olympics.
Vincents UR were not called
He's Vincent Q and Vincent Ur
Obviously the team was predetermined and the Nationals didn’t matter.
Yes, Americans, you sometimes baffle me. Fate has put such a diamond in your hands, and you turn up your nose. You don't know what to do with it. Yes, grab Ilya and drag him to the Olympics. Ilya can become a real sensation for the Olympics. Yes, out of inexperience, he can mess up there. Not scary. The main thing is that he will breathe in the air of the Olympics, see what Nate and Yuzu are doing for the sake of victory, collide with their foreheads on the Olympic ice, hear this enthusiastic roar of the stands ... After that he will gnaw medals out of the ice with his teeth.
Don't cling to the past - look to the future. Today Ilya is clearly stronger than Jason and, it seems, even Vincent. A little more - will be stronger than Nathan. And this is not his ceiling, where is his ceiling - nobody knows. This talent has just begun to take off, it is picking up speed, and you are breaking off its wings. The one who is stronger and more promising should go to the Olympics. This sport and yesterday's merits are of no interest to anyone. Cruel - yes, painful - yes. But this is a sport. There is no room for sentimentality. The question of Ilya or Jason after their rentals shouldn't have been raised at all. The comments just kill me: “Oh, Jason is so great! Oh, he skates so artistically! Oh, we love him so much! " Do you love? Get married! Why drag to the Olympics? By choosing a weaker one, you are killing figure skating, you are killing sport. What, you have such rules? According to your rules, should a weaker athlete go to the Olympics today? So these are bad rules, and they need to be changed. Arutyunyan is right.
Sorry for my English, sorry for my emotionality, but I can't believe what's going on.
Да, американцы, вы меня порой в тупик ставите. Вам судьба такой бриллиант в руки положила, а вы нос воротите. Вы не знаете, что с ним делать. Да хватайте Илью и тащите на Олимпиаду. Илья может стать настоящей сенсацией Олимпиады. Конечно, по неопытности, он может и накосячить там. Не страшно. Главное, он надышится воздухом Олимпиады, увидит на что идут ради победы Нейт и Юзу, столкнется с ними лбами на олимпийском льду, услышит этот восторженный рев трибун... Да он после этого зубами изо льда медали выгрызать будет.
Не цепляйтесь за прошлое - смотрите в будущее. Сегодня Илья явно сильнее Джейсона и, похоже, даже Винсента. Еще немного, - будет сильнее Нейтана. И это не его потолок, где его потолок - никто не знает. Этот талант только взлетать начал, скорость набирает, а вы ему крылья обламываете. На Олимпиаду должен ехать тот, кто сильнее и перспективнее. Это спорт и вчерашние заслуги здесь никому не интересны. Жестоко - да, больно - да. Но это спорт. Здесь нет места сентиментам. Вопроса Илья или Джейсон после их прокатов вообще не должно было стоять. Меня просто убивают комментарии: «Ой, Джейсон такой замечательный! Ой, он так артистично катается! Ой, мы его так любим!» Любите? Женитесь! На Олимпиаду зачем тащить? Выбирая более слабого вы убиваете фигурное катание, вы убиваете спорт. Что, у вас такие правила? Согласно вашим правилам сегодня на Олимпиаду должен ехать более слабый спортсмен? Значит, это плохие правила, и их нужно менять. Арутюнян прав.
Did you watch the video? Have you read the comments? We "Americans" have been making the exact same points you did. We fans of Ilia have no control what the Olympic committee decides. Please try to show a little diplomacy here rather than going full aggro on these many idiotic Americans.
Jason Brown is a lovely skater, but doesn't have any quads. It is unlikely he has any chance of medaling in the olympics. Ilia Malanin not only was number two, but he is likely the future of US skating. It is not a question of switching third and fourth place skaters, but denying the second place skater a place on the team and substituting in someone who, while a wonderful skater, is no longer competitive in international athletics.
truth...jason cant eve beat the women's top skaters because he got no quads
Agreed. Ilia was completely robbed
@@benp3485 actually if you look at the Olympics results Jason’s combined score was 281 but the winner of the womens anna only had 255 and that was with two quads
Pues digan lo que digan,NATHAN CHEN es el mejor y va a ganar en las olimpiadas
Ilia was robbed!!
Ilia is more beautiful than Hanyu.
@@KK-ol3bp Sorry, I disagree
Absolutely fédération is so corrupt
@@KK-ol3bp As much as I love Ilia, this can't be further from the truth 🤣
@@KK-ol3bp I wouldn't go that far, but he has more potential than anybody is have ever seen.... Let's see how Ilia develops his charisma coefficient in the coming years..... If he can do that to the appropriate level(which I believe he can) He can surpass Hanyu. As of now, to me Hanyu is the greatest, most complete package of a skater who has ever lived. It's hard to even put into words all of his intangibles... Anybody who wants to surpass Hanyu has their work cut out for themselves. Ilia is such a phenomenal talent that is mind blowing.... He has everything except some experience. Ilia has the potential to be the greatest ever!
I am laughing even harder now after the World Championships at those people that said Malinin should have gone to the Olympics over Brown. He had 1 strong competition all season long and the rest were consistently flawed. Brown hit everyone one his routines. Malinin, not so much. I believe Malinin is the heir apparent to Chen and has all the skill sets to be a world and Olympic champion, but 2022 was not that year
I can't understand why illia wasn't selected.....
Because Jason is America's favorite gay skater, and the gays have A LOT of power in American figure skating.
@@JosedeJezeus Well isn't this toxic af.
Don't listen to the other guy. Essentially he wasn't chosen because he didn't get enough "credits" from past competitions to be appointed and trusted by USFS to send to Beijing. This was his 1st senior competition I believe and due to the pandemic, missed a couple of events to participate on.
jason already been in Olympic but IM SORRY ITS MY OPINION
let's be honest He couldn't be in Poduim :( But still i love him im just being honest huhuh if Ilia will be in Olympics he could give us possible podium finish
Bravo Ilia,👋👍💪✊🌎
Proud of you my little men❤️
USFSA's decision is appropriate. It's not known if Ilia is truly rising or just a one-game fluke! He hasn't proved to be a reliable and consistent competitor at the senior level yet for the whole season. Although it may be tough for Jason to make the podium and Vincent was up and down, they both were more experienced in the competitive league. Who knows this kid, Ilia, may have a fiasco in Beijing or may be a bomb? Ilia is an unproven risk.
To be realistic, the only US men that have chances to medal at Olympics are Nathan, Ilia, and maybe Vincent if he fixes his under rotation issue. For that reason, it absolutely makes no sense at all for not sending Ilia to the Game. I might be dreaming but I do hope Jason will withdraw, either by himself or USFS.
Agree!
The US Men’s Figure skating is looking secure for another 8 years with Ilia taking over Nathan once he retires. Ilia is futire Godl medalist.
Omg when Nathan fell in Choreo sequence I was like oof. But then with the Roblox oof I burst into laughter 😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😎😂😂😂😂
Also who is on the ladies team?
Mariah karen and alysa are the womens team
Nathan
I think Nathan and Ilia is for sure, the third spot i do not mind
Jason lost the podium to Vincent by less than a point. Even so, Vincent was severely overscored in the free skate. He even had a fall and some under rotations not just in his quads, but in his triples as well. While other than the quad sal, Jason skated clean, artistic, and amazing, with difficult transitions straight into his jumps. Jason should have been 3rd, not Vincent. Idk why USFS is overscoring Vincent so much when Jason is more consistent than him and the reason the US men got 3 spots to the Olympics because they had to earn it back when Vincent lost the 3 spots in the past.
So my Olympic team would be Nathan, Ilia, and Jason. They're all more consistent than Vincent. Justice for Ilia indeed.
I dont hate Jason Brown but he is the overscored one. Other male skaters are doing 4 or 5 quads in a program and are not even going to the Olympics.--He should be thankful that Figure skating level in USA is pretty low!!
Should have been 1)Nathan 2) Ilia 3)Jason 4) Camden 5) Vincent
All those people saying Jason doesn't have quads, etc. First of all, isn't that a bit of a hypocrisy. For example, Anna Shcherbakova doesn't have quads, or a triple axel, has worse skating skills compared to Jason, but she is going to the Olympics. Second, Jason may not have quads, but he is consistent and he has a triple axel. Back then, Aliona Kostornaia had a triple axel and no quads but won against the quad jumping ladies and people were very supportive lol.
Lastly, you are stupid if you say Jason has terrible skating skills. Do you even know how skating skills are judged by the panel? Jason has one of the best skating skills, is a complete package in terms of components, and is more technically consistent than Vincent would ever be.
If the judges weren't a bunch of Americans, Jason would have outscored Vincent because Vincent kept falling and under rotating in the free while Jason had transitions and consistent fully rotated landings on his jumps. Also, they didn't call Vincent's underrotations, so yeah, Jason would have won and he earned his Olympic spot. Vincent's spot was handed to him no matter his inconsistencies.
Vincent is the person who earned the third spot.
@@pennyfurr3216 he earned the third spot because he originally lost the third spot. Tldr: at wc21, America was going for 3 spots with 3 men. To get that, 2 of the 3 had to place so the sum of their places was equal or less than 13 and the third had to make it to the free. Nathan won, Jason got 7th, 1+7=8, 8
The more time passes, the more irritated at this decision I get. Jason is a great skater but it's 2022, he has no chance of getting a medal and has already been to the Olympics. I would be FUMING if I was Ilia. He deserved that spot. Foul decision from the Olympic committee.
Actually I think I saw somewhere that per Ilia’s mother the Olympics this year was never in the plans. They knew that with so little international exposure making the team this year wasn’t on the table. They are looking at the future for this kid and it’s bright.
I agree, he was robbed !!!!
yes absolutely
Vincent shouldn't have beaten Jason by ~0.25 points, even less get selected over Ilia. This was just the most absurd national competition this year. And don't even get me started on Nathan's score... Sure, it's nationals, scores are inflated, but the team selection is absolutely ridiculous.
Jason or Ilia should seriously consider skating for another country. They're wasted in US.
Jason could skate for Israel, but he would never switch countries. He barely switched coaches and that was when things were seriously falling apart for him. He's like that.
Jason can medal against Nathan and the entire Japan Team? please..... Vincent can fight for a medal.
Aron, Jason wouldn't do anything any better for any other country. He should quit and do shows and choreography. He has nothing left to show or give to the competitive aspect of figure skating....
So as a skating fan, I’d like to add my perspective on why I love it.
Skating is 50% artistry, and 50% technical elements and jumps. There is almost no other sport in the world like this that at its ideal combines the thrill of extreme athleticism with the heartfelt movement of worship and dance.
Nathan Chen at his best is the best technical skater in the world. In his short and long he’s been the only skater in the world to land a quad lutz triple toe combo in the middle of the programs when most skaters don’t have the stamina to do this, ever.
Most skaters put the 4lutz at the beginning of the program, and Ilia did so, without the combo that Vincent cleanly landed.
The only reason Illia got higher pcs scores is because he cleanly landed all his jumps.
To say Illia skated better than Nathan is like saying a brilliant quarterback college football player is better than Joe Montana at his best. Honestly they are not comparable yet, and I’m sorry but Illia’s artistry needs a ton of work, it’s like saying the frame of a house is better than a fully completed house. At this point I’m not sure Illia could beat Yuma Kagiyama of Japan. Illia would have to skate perfectly and not miss a single jump under Olympic pressure which is a giant question mark, and even if he did so, would be a long shot for the podium.
If skaters like Yuzuru hanyu, Yuma, Mikael Kolyada and Shoma all skated clean, only Nathan would have a decent chance of topping them all, as long as he skated cleanly.
Having studied the sport for the last 12 years, I’m convinced Jason Brown has the best artistry in the world, even though he fell on the quad salchow, he has landed it before and even won an international competition this year. Jason is doing transitions that are so insanely difficult not even the best skaters in the world would add that to their programs and that’s why he regularly medals against men landing quads such as Camden Pulkinen. Not sending Jason to the Olympics would be like rejecting the Mona Lisa painting for an unknown artists portrait that just “looks more realistic.”
Sending Jason is extremely healthy for the sport, young girls bodies are being twisted and manipulated to do things that only men have the strength to do. If someone like Jason is valued over a terrific jumper it could save millions of young girls bodies from being severely wrecked in the name of competition.
If anybody ever liked Michelle kwan and her era, she often won on the strength of her artistry not her jumps.
Yuma kim won because she was the perfect blend of artistry and technical even though Mao Asada had two 3As over her.
These are timeless values in this particular sport, if we lose it, it might as well be called ice skating long jumping, with no music nor meaning.
I agree with most of your points, but I do think the ISU has demonstrated they will give Nathan a gold medal against Hanyu even if he doesn't skate cleanly. I think the ISU is caught up in Nathan's "masculine" skating and how transformative it could be for the sport and bringing in new audiences. The sport has been a dichotomy for years: we want artistry balanced with great athleticism but we also want it to be masculine, but not too masculine like Elvis but not too artistic (ie feminine) like Johnny Weir. Apparently, they think this will bring in more men to the sport and bring a bigger audience. Frankly, the sport would be better served trying to market itself to communities of color if it wants a bigger audience. but I digress.
I do agree Ilia is too much of a wildcard. It was like Michelle in 94, should she have skated instead of Nancy or Tonya? Unlikely. She was too inexperienced at that point, no matter how well she skated at Nationals. And again, the body of work over the season is what judges are looking at, which was quite clear to everyone going into Nationals. Can anyone point to where a junior skater was placed on the US Olympic team without senior experience? There could be cases, but none come to mind for me. Still, that being said, I do think if Ilia was sent and skated as well as he did, he has an outside chance at a medal, likely no more than bronze depending on how Kolyada, Chen, Hanyu, Yuma, Shoma and even Jin Boyang skate and Kevin Aymoz. Judges would likely score even Keegan over Ilia if the former skates somewhat cleanly at the games.
Vincent is a wildcard too. He could walk away with gold, or he could not qualify for the long program at all. But he’s proven himself with a world bronze and a win at Skate America, so judges will be looking at him as a contender. And if he skates cleanly, he’s definitely in the mix.
As for Jason, I would provide an analogy of Adam Rippon in 2018. Adam had the best spins at the Olympics period (male or female) and in my opinion the best artistic program (his long) of the men's event. Frankly, he became the breakout star of the entire event transcending the sport or even the Olympics itself, for that moment of time. Still, he finished no higher than 10th. I do believe Jason will finish higher but it's unlikely he's in the running for a medal unless the top contenders pretty much have a meltdown.
Hi Charlie thanks for your intelligent reply, it’s true the sport is changing in a way that’s more dynamic for men but could be very unhealthy in the least for women. Mariah winning Nationals as the oldest woman in 95 years is also an incredibly healthy message about the sport, which used to be female dominated and driven in interest but still with extremely high ratings and public interest.
@@Salmiyaguy1...if Nathan doesn't skate cleanly and still beats a clean Yuzuru, it would have had to be because of his enormous TES. As pointed out, Nathan is the most gifted technical skater the world has ever seen. If I recall, the base value of Yuzuru's program at JNats was in the 80's. Nathan's at USNats was over 100. Therefore, Nathan will always have a little more room for error and could still win.
@@divinearia1601 yes, agreed with u. Nathan is the best in the world. No one come close
It's disgraceful that Ilia Malinin has not been chosen for Olympics. Jason has a lovely style, but come on let's be honest, in this era of skating can you really expect to get a medal without a quad? Can you expect to get a medal without 3 quads? I love watching skaters with style and finesse - I grew up watching Janet Lynn, Toller Cranston, John Curry, Robin Cousins - but our sport has moved on and if you're a male skater without a quad you have zero chance of winning an Olympic medal, in fact it's almost getting there in ladies skating. So send Ilia and give that young man (who is also stylish and polished) the place on the team he so richly deserves.
Sending Jason to the Olympics is wrong.
No sending Vincent is wrong…
@@alinareybey3263 At least Vincent has won a GP event and a world medal. Jason? Nada.
@@andre86w lol yeah ONE Grand Prix event… in his home country too… Jason got seventh in words which Vincent didn’t even skate. Jason got us 3 spots in the Olympics for the men. He’s deserving of that spot end of story.
@@alinareybey3263 And how many individual world medals and GP events has Jason won? Vincent is deserving as well as he's proven himself on the world stage with a BRONZE MEDAL while Jason finished 9th. I never said Jason wasn't deserving. I just don't get the Vincent hate.
@@andre86w I don’t hate him, I don’t hate any of the skaters, they are all extremely talented but the judging has been inflated for Vincent’s scores.. it’s not his fault.
I don't have any problems for Nathan Chen receive the gold metal, and chosen to go to the Olympics. but they way the pick team members for Olympic was a big problem. I have this had nothing to do with bureaucracy or any other issue.
the whole thing was not fair to Ilia!
It's all about who has better chances of medalling at the Olympics... let's face it, even with a clean skate, Jason is far from the podium. Ilia has all the technical elements needed to succeed and such a platform would help him to become even bigger and let the world see his talent... I love Jason's skating skills, but this time it seems that the Olympic Committee made an emotional decision (Or a marketing-related decision?) when choosing him.
Neither has a chance at Olympic podium.
@@emishala11 Ilia has a huge chance at 3rd place if he skates clean, and very possibly even higher if Chen or Hanyu mess up big time. What makes you think that?
@@pahoellyyy No he doesn't. If you think he will get the same scores at an international competition that he got at nationals then you haven't been paying attention. That's not how it works. He skated as a junior this season. He's going to be scored like a junior. They will not give him the inflated GOE or PCS scores yet. Fair or not you need the reputation to get those high scores and he doesn't have it, even if he lands all the quads perfectly which he has only ever done at nationals. The whole season internationally he has landed 2 quads total with positive GOE so...
When will they stop over-scoring Nathan
HE LITERALLY FELL DURING HIS CHOREO SEQUENCE WTF WAS THAT
They won’t stop till he wins that Olympic gold medal.
I'm so tired of people saying that Jason deserves the spot because that is some BS, don't people realize that Jason won't make it to top 10, Jason may skate beautiful but he doesn't have the quads and artistic won't give a medal. Jason should withdraw and give his spot to Ilia. Yes, Ik people don't want Vicent either but if Vicent works on his nerves and his underotation then he might have a chance to get a medal. Nathan will probably get a medal if he doesn't mess up his short program again. Ilia should have the spot because he could have a chance of getting a medal; a better chance then Jason.
Jason got 6th. Lol
@@catk4942 Yeah idgaf, Jason still sucks.
@@catk4942 and it was only a two points from fourth! Of course that’s only because of hanyus mistakes but still I bet all these people are mad now
No at all what are they thinking, this is so wrong , and unfair it really sucks Ilia was completely Robed of his well earned spot on the Olympic team. Jason is a great skater but he is not competitive at the Olympics without a quad it is just the reality.
Guys, I was at nationals there, 4 skaters fell at that spot, I have it recorded too )
If I was God, I would send Nathan, Ilia, and Jason to the Olympics :) Just my opinion. Ilia has been such a discovery! Love his style and skills, as well as Jason's.
thank god u r not god
Vincent seeing this be like...
If they are looking at the full body of work they made the correct decision.
It's a pity that ilia wasn't selected because he would have gain some experience from going to the first Olympics in Beijing and he could even have won a medal. Going to the first Olympics could be very stressful, see Yuzuru in 2014 (Even he won, he didn't skate clean) and Nathan in 2018 (disastrous short program), so it would have been a good chance for ilia to experience. Instead, he now mostly can go the 2026 Olympics and at his peak, he could stumble if he can't handle the pressure well.
Yeah, this comment didn’t age well after his disastrous free skate at worlds. 🤣🤣🤣
I am here laughing at all the people saying Malinin should have been on the team based on 1 competition in the 2021/2022 season. He competed in 3 other competitions (2 juniors and 1 senior event) and he did not have 1 single clean routine (he only hit 2 quads over the 3 events). His highest score of a little over 245pts would have gotten him around 10/11 at last years world championships. Brown’s scores over 3 international completions were 249 to 264. We know brown will finish in the top 10 (he has never finished any lower in the Olympics or world championships>. Malinin can either medal or completely bomb. You send the 3 skaters that have the best chances to medal and/or finish in the top 10.
Apple and orange. Ilia is so much younger to have been judged on his 'body' of work. It's like the stock market. Just because a company is performing well in the past years doesn't mean it will do so this year. Ilia is the new company with a product that will transform the industry--quads. Jason's offering is beautiful but will not bring in the returns as much as Illa's. You're judging Ilia when he's just emerging and on his way up. Jason's hit a plateau if not on the way down.
@@eggizgud oh sweetie. It isn’t “body of work” it is results this season. This season Malinin has only 1 clean competition. He is too much up and down. Malinin has a higher ceiling than Brown but he also has a significantly lower floor.
It's not a qualifying event if all the winners didn't make it into the team and the team was already pre-set. This event is apparently just an ice show. 😃
Nationals is not Olympic Trials. The winners made it to the worlds team.
This event was to pick a champion in each discipline and it fulfilled that. Nobody ever called it the Olympic trials except the ignorant.
I don’t understand this choice for Ilya Whats was the explanation?
It is very shocking that Ilia is not selected. It is very shocking. I somehow suspect that he doesn't have the most famous coach or club to stand behind him.
He does his jump trainings under Nathan's coach Rafael Arutyunyan. My understanding is that Raf tried to make a case for him but the committee has clear criteria that Jason was able to meet more than he did
yes, I agree with the decision. Ilia is definitely the future but he is still unproven on he world stage and Jason has more than shown
his ability to fate the challenge. Ilia will be our next "hero"
Ilia finished 2nd at the US Championships . . . he should be going to the Olympics, in my humble opinion. With that said, the committee takes into account everything a skater has done in the season (correct me if I’m wrong). I’ve missed some competitions, televised, leading up to the US Champs, I’ve seen Jason. I’ve seen Vincent. This was the first time I’ve seen or heard of Ilia.
What has his season looked like compared to Jason or Vincent? Because I don’t know! 🤔
He skated as a junior this year. You can look up the programs on youtube. He did well in junior, but the quads weren't very successful and scores would not be enough in senior competition. His only senior international competition did not go well. If you watch the other competitions, you'll see why he was not picked. I'm looking forward to watching him in the future.
All the last skaters did incredible and very very strange falls during their free program but all of them did beautiful programs on all their previous completions. I think it's a right decision. Ilia is very jung and have the opportunity to show how good he is.
Ilia was robbed! I love to watch Jason skating, but he’s no where close to the Olympics standard anymore. Poor Ilia 😩
i'm sorry but what's the point of inflating the scores so much even if it's nationals....
To make the fear to other countries
Bcs the next upcoming competition is olympic
there is no point. it's just an inherent part of us nationals.
Murica 🤷♀️
Funny how it's the complete opposite in Japan where the scoring is strict, while Russian nationals is I guess a bit of both? 😆
@@pennyinheaven regarding the disparity between american and japanese judging, i think that might be a bit tied to mentality - e.g. the americans tend to value encouragement and rewards whereas it's probably different in japan (more emphasis on continuous improvement & less rewarding, i'm assuming).
as for russian nationals, i think it depends more on the skaters the federation wants to promote (e.g. the ones that have been in senior for a while as opposed to the juniors that just moved up).
if ilia had went to 2022 olympics do you think we would have done better then jason brown
Considering what he did at worlds I would say no.
@@pedropelaez what happened
@@quietbirde1977 what happened was that he he finished 11th in the free skate (finished 9th overall after being In 4th after the short program), fell HARD on a quad sachow (underrotated), Rey bad quad toe (very underrotated and was a repeated element because it was supposed to be part of a combo), and did a poor triple lutz. His performance at 2022 nationals was the outlier for his 2021/2022 season. He has massive amounts of talent (I have no doubt he can win world and Olympic titles/medals), but he hasn’t shown the consistency just yet. So no, he in all likelihood would not have done better than Brown. Malinin’s potential high is MUCH higher than brown, but his low is also MUCH lower.
@@pedropelaez ahhhh thank you i was at a competition myself and missed the worlds do you think he has any Nathan Chen like potential for future events like Olympics 2026 or next year worlds or no
I need to stop watching videos because I get more and more upset. I really hope that Ilia stays motivated and healthy and I really hope we see him in 2026
They know they have already a medal in their pockets and prefer to send a seasoned skater for the team event. Plus Vincent could medal is Shoma or Yuma have some issues. Also Ilia didn’t skate that amazing all season so probably better to save it for Worlds.
Okey now the score will vbe focusing on the jump only? So that there should be no music and artistry anymore? 🤔 Idk
Why did they pick brown the clown and his circus show to represent USA?
Did not agree at all.Tara Lipinski was very young, came out of nowhere but competed favorably at Nationals, , went to the Olympics and took the gold medal besides upsetting US favorite, Michelle Kwan. It happens but NOT this time around.
Her "composition" scores SUCKED under today's scoring. Michelle was the superior skater.
Team Ilia 100%
What about alternates? There should be at least 2 alternates in case a skater is not able to skate...they should be able to practice and skate, but their score wouldn't count unless a skater drops out due to illness or injury. Just like the summer Olympics that happened with S.B. when she dropped out, there was a fill in...
The Olympic team is not chosen solely based on Quads. I wish for you it was, but it is not. Trust, ALL focus for Ilia Malanin, in 2022-2023 and beyond will be on him and Isabeau Levito and other steller talents coming up. Watch Nathan's and Yuzu's Hanyu's (Japan Nationals) and Jason's transitions. There are barely any crossovers... Nathan's GOE's and PCS's are high above anyone. His excellent technic and maturity have been developed over the last 12 years. Look at him when he won Novice, Juniors twice, and his 2016 Nationals performance. Jason is retiring after this season. He is ten years older than Ilia. Ilia is the new torchbearer. Remember, Vicent is the 2019 World Bronze Medalist and recently defeated Nathan Chen at Skate America.
Evengi Plushenko (2nd in 2010 Olympics and 2006 Olympic champ) complained when Evan Lysacek won the 2010 Olympic Gold with 'No Quads!!!!". Now, 12 years later, you're doing the same thing. Also, I have to say Jason Brown's masterful Schindlers List Free Skate was Everything. He has been the face of skating excellence, sportsmanship, compassion, perseverance, genuine humanity, and a record of outstanding skill for a decade. He has worked his ass off since missing the team in 2018 (I was there). He also represents the popularity that USFS needs to get more young talent interested in skating.
The Olympics are also a big TV Commercial for USFS. Why do you think Mariah Bell won the ladies. She has a better "Cinderella Story" than Karen Chen. And Olympic stories are what get advertisers and corporate sponsorship. Two national champions named Chen, two Asian-American skaters of Chinese descent, are not big sellers. All these things are factors. Not Quads. Free your mind, and the rest will follow. Ilia's time is coming! For sure!!
It SHOULD be chosen based on the possibility of a skater making it to the podium. So Jason is an artistic skater. Big f*ckin' deal. HE IS NOT COMPETITIVE internationally. This is bullshit. Plain and simple.
@@marieinneo1539 Well the USFS doesn’t care what you think it should do. As you wish to believe, you’re free to do so, but do you have to be so intransigent about it? With Covid what it is he may get to compete at worlds! Nathan is retiring and so is Jason so if you can loosen your panties Ilia will be where you wish him to. You really don’t know much about skating. You’re all in your feelings. Join us in reality when you calm down.
Jason definitely must have paid off the judges. He is no where close to being on any Olympic podium, plain and simple!
and like vincent didnt? how convenient that judges didn't call his underrotations and put him in 3rd. if tech panel did their job he wouldnt even be top 3.
They should not send Jason Brown who is in the forth position. Shouldn't be the top 3 winners to go to Beijing? Why someone in the 4th position can over take someone in the 3rd position?
They should’ve put ilia in, instead of vincent. No shade but even though ilia’s consistency is on and off, it’s way more consistent than vincent.
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Ilia did great but some of you really need to get your facts straight. He did not do all the difficult quad combinations that Nathan did and he also needs a lot more work on his PCS so, even with Nathan's two errors, there was no way he was going to win. Claiming that he was better than Nathan is delusional.
Secondly, the US Nats is NOT necessarily a competition to decide who goes to the Olympics. Outside of the champ, the Olympic team is decided on each skater's body of work, not solely on this one competition. The US fed is looking for consistency and reliability. Ilia simply doesn't have enough of a bodywork for the committee to pick him at this point. So while the pick for the team was not the outcome some wanted, it was prob the right call based on the rules and criteria in place. Everyone, including the skaters, knew the rules before this competition started. Now, if Ilia had defeated Nathan and was the champion then things would have been a little different for him, since champions are pretty much a lock for the Olympic team.
Thank you.
According to the statistics I just looked up, there are only 2 skaters in history who have scored higher that Ilia in the combined total, and that is Yuzuru Hanyu and Nathan Chen. I think when you have an American with the third highest score in history, all of these are dumb ass excuses not to send him.
@@shalom968...why would they want excuses to hold back a skater who can do quads? The rules are the rules. It's simple as that. There would be bigger issues if the US figure skating fed ignored the rules/criteria they themselves set and went rogue on this kind of a decision. How fair would that be to the athletes? They could consider changing up the rules for the next Olympic cycle but they cannot simply ignore their own rules at this point.
@@shalom968 International scores are not the same as national scores. National scores are inflated for everyone. Ilia wouldn't score close to this in international competition. Maybe go watch his other competitions this year, see how he skated and what he scored and you'll see why they didn't put him on the team. He is a very talented junior. I am looking forward to seeing him in the future.
Sending Vincent over ilia is just so confusing. Why ?
For what Ilia deliverd at the US Championships he have to get a spot for Olympia. It´s not fair. Special Brown had just one quad in the layout and did not land it. I do not get it. So Liza Brown goes for Anna Malinin ;-)
that sucks ..Ilya was fantastic and has been robbed .. terrible decision not to send him
I respect all your decisions, but I agree with Jason going to the Olympics :)
Hope this is the last time we see the brown dinosaur.
Jason is a good skater but Ilia is clearly better. Ilia should have a spot on the team because sport is not about giving a chance to everyone and make everyone happy its about who is better and who can win and Ilia is 10X better technicaly then Jason.
The judges must have missed Ilia's skating altogether and are asking each other 'Who is this Ilia?" Ilia should have been in first place on the team. Someone will now explain technical reasons why this is the way it is. We silly viewers think falling over is a boo-boo. How silly of us. The strange thing about skating though is that if it looks good, it likely is very, very good. Skaters who fall over are not at the top of their game .... or they're not as good as they should be for the program. It's 2022 - everyone can see for themselves.
I think it has something to do with age requirement. Ilia is yet 17.
And you are been telling us, Russian been fixing scores, ha ha!!!!!!
Yes,the best athleths join the Olympics. I lough. Jason Brown is good,but never as good to get a Medal. Same was 1994 with Katerina Witt. ☹
What are my thoughts ?.... Well, 1) Chen overscored, 2) Malinin underscored, 3) Olympic qualifiers should have been Chen, Malinin and Zhou/Brown. Here in the US we say, "May the best man win ...". I've followed Malinin this entire year. He is incredible and has a considerably higher chance to medal in Beijing than either Zhou or Brown, in my humble opinion. And I ADORE Jason's skating. Yes, Ilia was robbed of an Olympic berth. Shame on the committee who made this decision.
How was Nathan overscored? His pts came from the difficulty of his quads, rightfully so. He was properly deducted in PCS for his mistakes and also given a 2 pt deduction. If he had skated flawlessly, this program would have scored him over 230 pts...and because of his errors, he only got 212.
@@divinearia1601 don’t bother, I can’t understand how US goes after their own athletes….. classy
If you read the selection criteria for the Olympic team, you will see that international standing at senior level is critical. Ilia is lacking in this and cannot be compared with Yuma Kagiyama of Japan who won silver at worlds and 2 grand prix golds. They cannot base selection on results of one competition regardless of how brilliant it was. For the team event, consistency is of prime importance and that is what Jason has. They already have one inconsistent skater in Vincent, who nevertheless meets the qualifying criteria, and Ilia is an unknown quantity.
Nowhere is it stated that the nationals is THE Olympic selection event.
It sucks for Ilia, with 4 years to wait until the next Olympics but sometimes life is just unfair and the timing of his entry into seniors is not the fault of the Olympic selection committee.
It's obvious that you love Jason, but come on. Between Jason and Illia, Illia has more chances of winning a medal. We just missed an opportunity of a sweep.
So basically with Jason and Illia, the USFS is going for consistency over potential medal contention right?
Jason Brown has *CONSISTENTLY* been bring home *International Metals* for the US. *CONSISTENCY* is the name of the game in an Olympic year.
Jason is there to make sure that the US has two spot for next *WORLD,* that's his job...there have to be someone to do it... *TAG HE IS IT.*
Ilia should’ve gone to the Olympics lol
You really think that after he cracked under pressure at worlds and Jason skated clean at the Olympics was was only two points out of 4th place?
Jason's going & deserves it - He could be the next Paul Wylie that everyone had given up. Paul took Silver in the Games.
the HUGE difference was in 1992 Paul Wylie did the top technical element at that time..the Triple axel...Jason is NOT remotely doing the top technical elements that will decide the winner and medalists...Jason represents the past..this was his last nationals..His career is ending.. Ilia is the future....Nathan was 18 in 2018 and Vincent 17 ..the age is meaningless...its the technical ability that counts...Noone wins with high GOE its the TCS that determines the winner
I’ll tell you why he didn’t go because he doesn’t flow as smoothly as the other skaters yet. And his facial expression’s you need to feel the music Jason does it best and next Nathan and Zhou do. He was lovely though at his performance would definitely blow the women away. His coach just needs to teach him that and yea. I needed help when younger now I’m older.
I know Jason has more international experience but lets be real he aint making the podium or top6 they should hAve taken illia what waste of a medal opportunity for USA Jason has no consistant quads to be competitive Vincent nathen Chen both deserving Jason im sorry thats a joke an a wasted spot cilia was robbed
if I were choosing between vincent underrotates zhou, 25th at worlds 2021, and jason brown, 2nd in the world according to isu world rankings, I would choose jason brown. team shouldve been nathan, ilia, and jason, end of story
Suddenly all the closet skating judges are coming out!
It s si unfair hé deserved n'y far thé olympics
Why wasn't Illia an alternate? Vincent couldn't skate after all because of COVID.
He was an alternate but it was to close to the start of the comp to send him all the way to China with Covid proticals on everythung
Just saying to add to my earlier comment that the 302 points overall that Ilia Malinin scored at US Nationals would have earned him the bronze medal at Olympics beating both Shoma Uno and the G.O.A.T Yuzuru Hanyu. So were the selectors wrong when they decided not to send Ilia to Olympics? You bet they were!
you are foolish to look at scores at national competitions and try to equate it to international scores.
@@pedropelaez That may well have been the case in the past when we had the 6.0 system but with today's marking system where each element has a base score and the grades of execution marks are given - plus or minus - it is more of a level playing field between national and international competitions. You cannot deny that Malinin's error-free performance at U.S nationals with four clean quads with high G.O.Es would not have scored well at Olympics.
@@npe1 you are so cute there. Grasping at straws thinking national competition scores aren’t overscored. Bless your heart sweetie.
@@pedropelaez Why do you have to be so rude and obnoxious? I only made a comment, I didn't insult you nor was I rude to you in any way.
@@npe1 you made a comment based incorrect facts so w]yes I will be “rude”. You made a ridiculous comment. I will take the team of Madison Chock and Evan Bates. Their scores from 2022 Nationals was 91.94 and 135.43 for the rhythm and free dance respectively. They skated much better at both the Olympics and Worlds and the highest scores are either we’re 87.51 and 130.63. I can point even more skaters with overscored national scores compared to their best scores at international events. So please tell me again that scores from national competitions aren’t overscored and are a good barometer of how they will score at Olympic and worlds. There is a reason why the ISU doesn’t recognize those scores when it comes to records or personal bests.
It should´ve been nathan, jason and ilia. Nathan is nathan, we know he´s solid. Jason isn´t individual medal BUT in the team event he can be counted on to hold his own--he´s reliable and the best pcs skater around yuzu excluded which does mean something. That leaves wildcard ilia to prep him for his second olys so he can meltdown now (or not) and learn like Nathan did with the safety net of Nathan securing the medal for USA and Jason keeping US respectable in the top 10. Vincent lost the oly spot and is a either 100% amazing or fails horrifically skater. The choice is literally between an unknown and an unreliable and tbh the unknown wouldve been the better choice.
Jason is a beautiful skater, but he has no chance to score well. That is a stupid selection! Jason, give it up!
I don't understand why this guy wasn't selected for the Olympics - Jeson Brown couldn't even make it to a women's championship… why? Maybe there is something I don't know ...
Nathan over-scored those mistakes and falls show lack of transitions and interpretation of music. Ilia’s clean quad jumps puts him in a higher place than was scored. Another year at this level & he’ll win it all. But Olympics are not annual events so he has to fight fir his place. Jason Brown is wonderful skater with personality and artistry, but he & Nathan may be losing momentum in the sport.