All you have to do is take some strong acid, or even Jimson Weed (Don't take Jimson Weed. Ever) and you can actually see the soul and/or essence of all living things. And some things that in human terms, aren't.
toshineon Funny thing, I ran into PETA at my university this year and they were telling that we shouldn't eat animals because they're intelligent - so I asked them "what about plants" - they stated that plants aren't living and they're not intelligent... Once I showed them documented studies and after explaining what "being alive" meant... they then got horridly defensive saying I was detracting from their cause. My reply: "You simply don't know what your cause really is." was one of the most irritating conversations in my life...
Zane Blalock Vegetarians are all hypocrites. They don't like the conditions animals are kept in (in a lot of cases) and yet they wear clothes made in a sweat shop by a Vietnamese kid. They drink milk and eat cheese, despite both being a product of an animals "suffering" in captivity. All fucking morons.
Andy Jokerst hate to break it to you but there are many animals that also show no signs of desires other than natural wants for things that keep them alive. Fish and low level mammals have been known to only want food and sex to produce offspring. Plants are very similar in this regard in that they want to release to fertilize and spread. I'm all for levels of reasonable animal rights, but on a pure objective scale, there are many arguments that extreme vegetarians state that flawed by demanded plant life be excluded.
Andy Jokerst what I'm saying is that page is biased and I didn't find any actual sources backing their claims x3 And makes you absolutely certain that planet life has no interest in being alive XD?
Actually if you're an animal lawnmower it just killed you! African drought they learnt this when animals started dropping dead & they couldn't find the poachers but eventually found it was the trees that were murdering them. The chemicals off the grass are the same - warning signal for the other grass to up it's chemicals to murder the animal as soon as it takes a bite
I always used to talk to my pet strawberry plant about my secrets when I was young, little did I know it could’ve been spilling my information to everyone while it was still alive..
I don't think it would be an evolutionary advantage for plants to be able to feel physical pain because that would just cause them to suffer unnecessarily considering the fact that they are unable to run away or fight back... they can't move at all so they would be unable to defend themselves from pain. But it is cool to see how complex plants are and how they can communicate with each other and react to their environment.
The basis of plants survival is that they are adapted to support themselves and the environment around them. Along with that, plants don’t feel pain but can react to it by repairing damage, releasing toxins and dispersing seeds/ asexually reproducing.
Pain is just a type of defense mechanism and if you think about it, it's more necessary for something that is constantly moving for survival rather than something that stands still or moves too slow to hurt itself.
@@eleSDSU I can't say I agree with that... Humans that lack pain sensation basically stop feeling harm and continue to harm themselves.. Literally will grab hot pans and pots and not put it down, walk on glass and splinters without realizing, stub their toes and feet and continue to put unnecessary pressure on damaged areas making worse what would generally hurt normal humans preventing repetition, not adjust themselves when bedsores or skin breakdown is forming, etc... This is something common in late stage uncontrolled Diabetes, the vibration sense nerves are usually the first to go and then pain and temperature nerves are the next, doctors typically test vibration sensation and pin pricking for pain, and touch sensations routinely on diabetics to see how advanced the disease is....
holycrap this is scary stuff, i'm starting to view my cactus entirely different now, I should start talking nicely to him or her so he/she doesn't prick me to death while I sleep.
Consciousness is the very fabric of existence, not the result of matter but the cause of matter being the way it is. This is the core of Buddhism. Everything expresses the universal consciousness in its own way. Plants in a plant way. You in yours.
I agree. I do believe that plants have conciousness. So do flowers. Flowers are brightly coloured to attract bees. Trees can apparently "talk" to each other via their root systems :) That's cool that also when a plant hears an audio of a caterpillar that it still gives of the repelling scent. Wow!! Plants are pretty freaking neat ^_^ All the greatest medicines are plants too
@@a_15_z32 y'know, i am pretty sure they can process all these signals, it's just not the same as us, and they might also really be conscious, but also not the same way as us
Okay now, just fucking relax. There’s no evidence to suggest that existence is birth from consciousness, just because plants are more complex than we initially thought doesn’t all the sudden give you The right to just run around spewing a bunch of metaphysical bullshit
Ever since I was very little I always had feelings and sympathy towards plants, I pretty much thought they were alive. No one else I know or knew has those feelings. Now after I watched this video I can see my instincts were correct
Certain species of plant release defence chemicals (which makes it less attractive to herbivores) in response to the sound of caterpillars munching on it (in order to deter them from munching further). Studies have also shown that animals are likely to experience the emotional, subjective components of pain. Plants, however, do not have such analogous structures, and there is no scientific evidence to show that they can “feel” in the same way as humans and other animals. A plant can’t suffer subjective pain in the absence of a brain.
Depends on your definition of conscious. They are alive, and they do respond, but they cannot think like we think. Consciousness is a tricky topic, indeed. To answer you: No, but maybe.
+FreeGoro How silly... the economy isn't a life form , that's a horrible comparison that completely misses the point. (It's funny though xD) All things that are alive are aware of themselves. They aren't as smart as us, though. And it's not the same as us or animals, but they are definitely more alive than most people want to agree on.
cake chocolate No, it's not silly, it's a logical consistency that you choose to ignore. No, not all things that are alive are self aware. You are obviously ignorant of biology. Technically a computer algorithm robot written to learn when to take out the trash has memory and responds accordingly, but that doesn't mean the robot is sentient or even alive. That's just how they are programmed, much like how plants are biologically programmed to notice changes in their environment, so too are robots and self learning robots and machines. Plants are alive of course, but there is no sufficient evidence that suggests they are sentient and able to feel pain.
BrainStuff - HowStuffWorks For plants, I'm not sure. Some pretty intelligent people have came up with fairly "out there" ideas on consciousness, such as all things are conscious, more complex things are more conscious, and suggested even your light switch could be conscious. But in reality we are still trying to figure out what consciousness really is. I don't think there is strong enough evidence that plants can feel pain, let along emotions. Being able to respond to a threat such as the use reflexes like releasing a repellent is different than being able to feel pain. Having intelligence could be different from having consciousness, depending on future discoveries relating to consciousness. Plants, or at least the overwhelming majority of them do not have a central nervous system which is what animals require to sense pain and emotions. Plants actually have their own evolved system that allows them to detect and attempt to repair structural compromises. Some plants already do react to tactile stimuli. Whatever it is that they may 'feel', it is compelling enough for them to initiate a programmed system of responses. Plants do not need to be conscious (at the level of animal brains) in order to do this. Microbes also have the ability to detect structural compromises. Our own eucaryotic cells which compose our body also have the ability to detect and repair. You have to understand that these are genetically programmed responses that are there simply because they help avoid the destruction of the organism. But if it turns out they can feel any pain (Which is extremely unlikely), one can hope that in the far future, we could develop some nanobot that can go around "reprogramming" plants and most animals to not feel pain. And for animals that actually require this to survive? Reprogram an alternative defensive method that does not cause pain.
+BrainStuff - HowStuffWorks It wasnt charles darwin who theorized that it was Russel Alfred Wallace, THE SAME GUY WHO FIRST THEORIZED EVOLUTION! The only reason he wasnt credited with is because he wasnt a Satanic Free Mason like Darwin! Darwin is like the modern day israelites THEY ARE PLAGIARISTS! RESEARCH IT! *Condemnation Before Investigation Is The Heights of All Ignorance*
No, it doesn't. Rather compare them to a computer. They're programmed (by DNA) to act in a particular way when something happens to them. Just like you can program a computer to "learn", its not actually thinking.
Oh look its a guru you're so intelligent you listen to other people's studies and everything wow no ego man so non-edgy you're the greatest ever so fucking cool SO FUCKING COOL
I remember when I was about 8 or 9 years age I was wandering through the forest. I had a toy which was VERY sharp and decided to go "cutting" things off. I recall cutting some plants that resembled thistles. They secreted some sort of white liquid that I'd later on in life would go on to know is sap. I felt terrible after knowing that (still kinda do).
I saw a documentary where they had two plants hooked up to seperate lie detector machines, the plant on the left wasn't touched at all. The plant on the right they kept snipping leaves off of it and everytime they did the needle on lie detector machine of the other plant would spike, it knew that the other plant was being harmed. After they did that the guy cutting up the plant walked out the room them mixed him up with about 30 other people and let them one at a time walk in the room with the plant and back out. When the guy who was originally cutting up the other plant walked in the room the needle spiked again. Not only did the plant unharmed know that the other plant was getting cut up, it also knew the exact person who was the one cutting up the other. Two separate plants in separate pots not even sharing the same root system. I saw another documentary that had that mimosa plant in this video, they kept touching its leaves and everytime they would it would curl up. Then they put it in this glass chamber and sprayed either into it. Since either is an anagelisic to the CNS, when they touched the plant that time it did not curl up which only proved the plant was "knocked out" essentially proving plants do have a central nervous system. If you look at the tomatoe plant it can sense when it has one of those green horned catapillers who just love tomatoes plant leaves. The tomatoe plant knows once it has one of theese living on it it releases this pheromone into the air and oh guess what that pheromone does? It just so happens to attract this wasp and guess what the wasps most favorite thing to lay it's babies inside eventually killing it's host when it bursts.....the greened horn catapillar. Tell me plants DONT have a CNS. If that's not proof enough watch the episode of myth busters when they grow tomatoe plants talking nicely to one everyday and screaming at the other everyday. See which one yields the most fruit..
Noshi_usa_ that’s because when u breathe out you release carbon and that’s what they use to breathe and help produce they’re food and that’s how they release oxygen for us to breathe
Stop the suffering and killing of plants. Say NO to vegetarians and vegans. Say NO to french-fries, salads and other vegetables. Say NO to wooden houses, furniture and all books.
I don’t know if plants can feel pain but they might be able to just tell that they’re missing something and they don’t want to be destroyed so as soon as they can tell that they’ve been damaged they do what they can to protect themselves
They do feel, even though they don't have a nervous system. Trees in forests also communicate with each other. Just plain and simple facts. Please keep it in mind the next time that you eat a banana or a carrot (but don't mind about it, in life it's eat or be eaten)
Fact is that, plants can react to something, but still, they dont have neurons and nervous system, so they cant experience fear or pain, they certainly can act, maybe communicate somehow, but that doesnt make them into sentimental beings.. so yeah
Jan Vlček Studies have been done on this as well. They found that there is a pretty good chance plants do feel pain. Even without the presence of nerves.
From scientific point of view, its impossibe to feel pain or be aware without nervous system, so these studies are probably some kind of enlightenment from some cult or religious group.
Jan Vlček For humans it's impossible, but plants are different. You can say it's impossible to react but most plants react to their leaves getting eaten by caterpillars by excreting a defensive chemical. No one knows why, but somehow the plant is able to tell the caterpillar is there and then process that information and excrete the chemical all without the presence of a brain. There's also The Venus fly trap which reacts to someone touching it by slowly closing its leaves around the person's finger.
Thats what i said, they can react, but without neurons, its impossible to feel, basic science, their reacting to harm and stuff doesnt make them sentimental beings. Like u said : For humans it's impossible, but plants are different. Plants are organisms made from molecules, like we are. So its not different, we are just more evolved.
Nothing is impossible in science, there is still the possibility that plants have evolved a sort of pseudo-nervous system that we have never seen before.
hmmm conscious vs selfaware, i don't think that reacting to environmental changes can be considered to be selfaware. Having senses does not equate to being aware. The example of those curling up leaves plant was intriguing (sp) though, especially since it showed a memory
luvyou baby first: citation needed, second even if it is true, we should find the cause of this and not assume the plant 'likes' the tunes or has personality, because this is a human trait: projecting human characteristics upon organisms that don't have those.
MEGABUMSTENCH So it's anal and an error to make a very important distinction like that? Whatever dude, i like how you are here just to be anal about people commenting, and you do it like a schoolboy, are you projecting or something???
AwoudeX I'm wasting time. There's a difference between awareness and self awareness. It's funny to me that you would be how you are on this subject, acting so thorough, yet gloss over an important distinction. I don't believe plants are aware. Like i said, wasting time.
+MEGABUMSTENCH They are, but not exactly like us or animals, they're a different life form altogether and they evolved differently. I doubt they feel pain the same way we do, but it's kind of hard to define whether they do or not.
Nitinol "remembers" its original shape and changes back to it. Magnetic Thinking Putty can engulf objects as if it were an ameba. Yet I would never consider these substances living and feeling simply because of their interesting physical and chemical properties.
Oh no my plant got a stomach ache. Non-vegans: You dumb? Where is their stomach? Me: Oh no my plants feel pain. Non-vegans: You dumb? Where is their brain and nervous system?....Wait no!
If you care about plant lives, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
When I was in middle school, I met a girl at summer camp who insisted green grass had feelings. I guess it's possible she was sort of right. The fact that plants have a CNS of sorts is really interesting.
That plant reacting on caterpillar sounds, does it really "hear" it or does the water inside the plant just vibrate on the frequencie of it leading to a reaction?
in my opinion plants are same like animals but the world is entirely different so their reactions to stimuli are also different and slow...too...they are very slow ad their DNA is having slow processing and even slow development and growth too.. so they appear different basically ...they can be equated with animals too
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
1:53 - You have to prove the intention, just because a chemical is released doesn't mean anything. If I eat food I get saliva in my mouth, this is a reaction. No thought process or consciousness is related to that reaction. So you have to show that the plant intentionally did this, otherwise how can you state this is anything other then it's a chemical reaction. If a caterpillar licks a rock and it makes a dodgy chemical and the caterpillar goes away there is no intention in this. So to me this isn't evidence. If a vibration causes the release of the chemical, if there is an earthquake and steam comes out the ground, that doesn't make the ground conscious. Still not evidence. You have to show how a plant is doing more then just chemical reactions to prove consciousness. Everything about plants just shows basic DNA which is similar to basic computer programming, it's just random events that lead to how the plant does processes, but in the same way a computer isn't conscious or aware, there is no evidence that plants comprehend existence. They can't feel due to no nervous system, and can't think due to no brain, and so can't comprehend emotions or feelings. Consciousness is being aware of ones self, and nothing shown implies a plant is aware of it's self. For example when water is boiled it changes in to steam, water isn't classes as alive because it reacts to light, also does a steam engine become aware because it starts moving due to boiling water. Point being movement doesn't even define awareness. It is obvious animals think and try to figure things out, become scared of other animals and have emotions. If you spend five minutes with animals it is obvious. Then there is biology which shows how animals brains work, and how their nervous systems work. There is very little to indicate a plant is conscious, and nothing to indicate emotional capacity or the ability to perceive pain or fear. It's simply that how the DNA of plants is meant in the environment the plant kept repeating the same patterns that have formed over and over until a mutation happened or some environmental factor acted on the plant. So to me you would have to show a plant showing intuition and trying new ways to communicate with other plants, as in different patterns which could be interpreted in to a language of some kind, and then changes in plant behaviours based on these communications. None of which has been shown. My point being DNA doesn't equate to consciousness, in the same way that you can have all the parts for a radio and that doesn't mean the radio gets a signal if the parts aren't assembled in the right way. So plants have patterns they do, but that doesn't make them conscious, most likely DNA has to be laid out in a certain way for a being to become conscious, and there is no evidence to show plants are conscious, so most likely plants DNA isn't in the correct way to have consciousness or emotions. So point being plants aren't formed in a way that allows them to be conscious, plants are just a pattern of chemical reactions created by the different patterns in the DNA. As far as I can tell plants aren't aware, in the same way a phone isn't aware and just follows it's programming.
I feel kinda like a criminal now 😂 I tried to pluck a branch of wild moringa (it was a fully grown tree, bark and all, but still has green sprouts in places) so I can transplant it on one of my plants. I broke and twisted a soft green one... but I wasn't able to fully sever it because I didn't think it'd be that tough.. 😅 That thought is gonna haunt me now... I left that branch broken like that...
clock3001 You should avoid arguing with elitists vegans. To actually convince those kind of people you go for the moderates, the ones that are open to new arguments. Once you strip them from the core support they had, they'll have to consider the new arguments or commit social sudoku.
Well, based on what we can observe, plants don't mind the fruits being eaten, but produce chemicals when an insect is eating its leaves to attract bugs that kill the insect.
+cake chocolate on the contrary, it's not that wouldn't mind their fruits being eaten (if indeed they could mind, jury still out on that). Trees want you to eat the fruits. That is why they make them. They make fruits to attract animals so that they could eat them and spread their seeds (since seeds dropped too close to them would have to compete with them for nourishment from the soil).
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
This really is in the category of spurious science. The story sounds nice, the animation is cute but where is the science, where is the data? Where is the explanation of the mechanisms within the plants? I guess the business model is that RUclips pays these guys per viewer - this business model encouraging this sort of lazy science.
***** from an evolutionary perspective, plants would not need pain since pain is a signal to react. Plants simply arnt quick enough to make use of pain.
Actually plants have the ability to memorize and feel just like we do. They have a system for sending electrical signals and they can produce neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin just like humans. Just because you can't identify with a plant the same way as with an animal doesn't mean it's not alive. Source: www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants
Siba Burck Are fish sentient? Because they don't feel pain as we do. Reptiles? Their reactions to pain are different as well. What I'm trying to say is that sentience isn't easily defined, we don't know on what level plants can communicate and feel. What we do know however, is that they DO communicate and they do memorize, feel and react to stimuli. Therefore it would be hypocritical to just assume that "plants aren't quick enough to make use of pain" because neither are Sloths, but they still react to it.
In that case Im assuming you avoid walking on grass whenever possible? Do you use the possibility of plant pain to make you feel better about causing pain to animals? Im just wondering
It doesn't mean that plants can think! This means that they can adopt to the environment around them. Yes, this is learning, but not literally. It is more on the instinct level. Nobody deny the fact that plants are living organisms, but some people think that they can love, hate, think or talk to each other! Who are these people? (sorry for my English level)
I just read the Star Beast by Robert A. Heinlein. The alien the man keeps as a pet is actually centuries older and from a civilized race, and thinks of the man as a pet. When it leaves to be the ruler of its people it demands that it keep raising humans. This is what I am reminded of. I'm sorry I just told you the whole story-- read it anyway!!!!!!!! If you haven't!!!!
Are animals intelligent enough to understand death? Because it can smell death. Animals are not conscious about death... Some Humans still don’t know what happens after death
@@Artur-hg1qg 1. What does that have to do with anything I meant? 2. How can you judge what other animals / species can and can't do. Like you would understand them. 3. Conscious about death - what do you mean by that. - That they have a concept of an afterlife? Or that they understand that if someone is dead they never come back?
@@Artur-hg1qg Funny SLZ is saying to you how you can judge about other animals but he/she also judges about plants not being conscious (although it's scientifically proven, yeah, the activists don't like science :-D
+Kris Pagett According to the peer-reviewed journal Plant Physiology, plants are capable of identifying danger, signaling that danger to other plants and marshaling defenses against perceived threats. According to botanist Bill Williams of the Helvetica Institute, "plants not only seem to be aware and to feel pain, they can even communicate."
Daniel Zhang Do me a favour and send me that paper (again, no paper has ever suggested plants feel pain, merely responding to stimuli, an ice cube melts in the sun)
Kris Pagett What? You mentioned, in caps "NOT ONE PEER REVIEWED STUDY HAS EVER SUGGESTED PLANTS FEEL PAIN". I just provided you with one above. You fail to go look for it while making claims that it doesn't exist. I'm not a botanist, plant biologist, nor a scientist, I am not the one making the claims nor doing the research. I am just directing to you that such peer-reviewed paper/s do exist. Take it easy.
Plants don't feel pain, they react to stimuli, not pain. Two wrongs don't make a right. Meat eating is awful for the animals, your health and the environment. Let's say that plants did have the same sentience as animals. Vegans will still be causing little to no environmental harm than meat eaters
ruclips.net/video/gBGt5OeAQFk/видео.html and there is more out there. But yeah, Michio Kaku is an idiot and a liar,hm, not my words. words from an vegan activist who wears a cape and a facemask so he could not be recognized :-D
Scientists research for months/years, explore and spend a lot of time A LOT of years just to prove a thing or two but then you have Vegans and flat earthers who just Google something for a second and force what they believe...
Plants feel pain and are responsive to pain. What will vegans eat? Plants lol. Humans NEED plants to survive, we (at least most of us) DONT NEED meat to survive. For some, eating meat is a matter of necessity (i.e. health reasons) and for others (the vast majority) it's purely because it tastes good. A healthy and nutritious diet MUST include plants. Now, can we debunk veganism with "plants feel pain too" argument?
Plants don't feel pain. They don't have brain to feel suffering, they don't have nervous system so they can't feel pain. They are alive, but alive doesn't mean it needs to feel pain, there is this disease from which some people don't feel pain for example, doesn't mean they aren't alive. Plants can;t escape from pain, so for what would they feel pain, it would be torture for them if they could. Plants respond by chemistry, but they don't feel pain. Sorry for my English, i'm from Poland.
Social Is it better? surely better than eating meat which was once part of feeling-pain being. You can't tell me to feel wrong for eating lettuce, what should i eat then? rocks? Pain is part of life, it defines life just as much as happiness. You just have to cope with it. From what I know plants don't feel pain so there's nothing wrong if you ate them. I don't mind eating something that could never experience pain or happiness, love, attachment. Are you trying to tell me there's no difference if I ate a dog or a carrot?
You are wrong. Your first mistake was to assume that a nervous system is needed for electrical signals to be transmitted. Plants use an analogue structure to send signals and produce neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin just like Humans. And they can feel and memorize just like humans. Don't try to justify your plant eating with your bullshit.
Julita Hepburn Get over yourself. I don't discriminate between living organisms just because I place value on one over the other. I eat a healthy balanced diet of mostly plant based matter, usually some fish or white meat (which comes from my families farm) and my health is excellent.
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
Vegans: Don’t eat meat eat salad *after this video* Vegans: Omg you heartless person! How dare you eat plants, they have feelings too! Eat rocks! *after rock video* Vegan: YOU UNCULTURED SWINE! That poor rock, just eat air, how hard is it!
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
+Rob Lewis you guys will say anything ..o so its to minimize the suffering now is it. how about minimizing the suffering of animals by supporting free range eggs?
***** who would have guessed the egg industry was directly linked to the chicken industry? eggs are very good for you and free range eggs are even better. higher quality food isnt a scam dummy. tasty mm ,very healthy and digestible ..lets see Eggs are loaded with high-quality proteins, vitamins, minerals, good fats and various trace nutrients. A large egg contains (10): Only 77 calories, with 5 grams of fat and 6 grams of protein with all 9 essential amino acids. Rich in iron, phosphorous, selenium and vitamins A, B12, B2 and B5 (among others) anyone can clearly see that eggs are pure poison.. i think you need to look up the word choline *smart guy* .bwahahahaa see what I did there ^?cuz vegans lack an essential b vitamin called choline get it? ahh go get yourself some fenugreek seed oil before u lose the rest of your mind you stupid rabbit
i dont even see how this can still be in question, there for sure conscious. Put music on for your plants when you're not home and you will see a difference in there health and growth... before you ask the answer is Rock, they love it, Classical is 2nd.
This whole video has a, "Hello Fellow Cool Kids" vibe XD But this is saving my philosophy of the mind paper on plant consciousness so I'm not complaining
So the real natural way to go would be eating stuff like fruits vegetables beans rice nuts. Rather your a carnivore or a herbivore your still taking life from the planet.
Are plants conscious? I mean, sure That's kind of an umbrella term, and all living things fit in it. Some would even argue space and planets fit as well. However, SENTIENCE is another question altogether. And I thought for the longest time that humans are alone (at least on this planet) in that department. Then I found out scientist think that octopuses actually are indeed self aware. As well as Dolphins, Monkeys and Apes, Elephants, and even Magpies. There are probably more, though that's all I'm aware of. At ;east concerning the agreement of scientists and zoologists.
This is great except for one thing : everything is overinterpreted and we biologists honestly have no clue whether or not plants are conscious. The examples given in this video mean nothing as long as the mimosa plant's "memory" can considered a desensitization to a stimulus, as long as smell is not considered a sense but merely a reaction to a stimulus. We can't talk to plants yet, there is no way - as of now - to know if they are conscious or not... It could all be mechanical and genetic...
No,but,human gravitational fields,voices,and Pheromones,DO affect plants...Every action has a reaction,especially if both are products of biological organisms,and,are in close proximity(Actions,and reactions from afar,are less likely,to be relavant,in immediate forms)...
What would be needed for plants to reach the human level of self-awareness and intelligence? I basically want a scientifically realistic way to get PLANTS VS ZOMBIES GARDEN WARFARE.
So many people love to comment how grass screams supposedly when it’s cut. For one, it’s not a scream, as they have no mouth or vocal chord. Two, plants clearly lack the same level of awareness as animals, to try and use that as an argument is ridiculous
They're 100% conscious. And they can help with our mental and emotional health, which affects our physical health too. There's research on how grass and vegetables scream in pain when being cut too. Humanity is just ignorant and out of harmony with nature. I brought a ZZ plant today. My first ever plant. I inspected it for bugs, and told it not to stress, and that I will take care of you, and that I love you. I hugged and kissed it, and now I'm playing relaxing music for it. I will get it another plant companion soon too.
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
I wonder why there is no mention of Dr Jagdishchandra Bose in this video the first man who proved that plants have life! He had also invented Crescograph to measure the minute reactions plants give in response to stimuli. He also did not take the patent for his invention of radio and finally it was taken by Marconi! At least Dr Bose should be credited for his work which he proved in front of other scientists! How sad that his work is ignored just because he is from India!
I had an idea. What if our neurons are kind of like plants. Maybe the nucleus is like the seed of a plant and the pathways are like roots, and maybe the tip of the neuron is like the plant root which is the part that thinks and processes information. If a single neuron is like a plant then together the neurons might be like the root network of plants. Maybe this shows some ways that socialization and the brain works. A singular plant is sort of like a neuron in our brain, but together they are like a brain. Perhaps humans are the same. On our own we are like one brain, but together, just like the plants can become as powerful as a brain, together we can have a more powerful brain. Maybe this is what socialization is. We become like one organism with a much bigger brain together like we are actually together one person.
OKAY THATS IT I'M DISLIKING THIS VIDEO NOT BECAUSE ITS A BAD VIDEO BUT BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THE COMMENTS SEEMS TO THINK ITS OKAY TO HATE SOMEONE FOR THEIR FOOD CHOICES
Nice! I can sense vegans not happy at all with you, lol. First they said no meat, then they said no animal products, now no grass and plants maybe? Also, nuts, fruit, vegetation is via plants so that will probably rule that out, so big question what will they eat? Eachother? Rocks? Soil? Hmmmm...
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
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My fern saw my bush.
If plants are conscious.... than what do my bananas and cucumbers see? God no.....
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I think the universe itself wont be able to handle that
Jasper O I want to swim in your mind. The fact that this was your response is priceless.
All you have to do is take some strong acid, or even Jimson Weed (Don't take Jimson Weed. Ever) and you can actually see the soul and/or essence of all living things. And some things that in human terms, aren't.
Now there's gonna be people telling me that eating rocks is the only ethical thing to do.
toshineon Funny thing, I ran into PETA at my university this year and they were telling that we shouldn't eat animals because they're intelligent - so I asked them "what about plants" - they stated that plants aren't living and they're not intelligent...
Once I showed them documented studies and after explaining what "being alive" meant... they then got horridly defensive saying I was detracting from their cause. My reply: "You simply don't know what your cause really is."
was one of the most irritating conversations in my life...
Zane Blalock Vegetarians are all hypocrites. They don't like the conditions animals are kept in (in a lot of cases) and yet they wear clothes made in a sweat shop by a Vietnamese kid. They drink milk and eat cheese, despite both being a product of an animals "suffering" in captivity.
All fucking morons.
toshineon Bugs. They don't feel pain.
Andy Jokerst hate to break it to you but there are many animals that also show no signs of desires other than natural wants for things that keep them alive.
Fish and low level mammals have been known to only want food and sex to produce offspring.
Plants are very similar in this regard in that they want to release to fertilize and spread.
I'm all for levels of reasonable animal rights, but on a pure objective scale, there are many arguments that extreme vegetarians state that flawed by demanded plant life be excluded.
Andy Jokerst what I'm saying is that page is biased and I didn't find any actual sources backing their claims x3
And makes you absolutely certain that planet life has no interest in being alive XD?
I feel so much more sympathetic towards my plants now. I'm gonna talk to them like crazy today.
Good give them that Co2
They don't understand words but can respond to different amplitudes/frequencies
Don't talk there branches off
@@DCcopter 😂🤣
Hahahahahhaha
"Oh no a lawnmower! Hide yo kids, hide yo wife! "
*other grass blades do nothing*
dandeelyonn lol
😂😂😂
dandeelyonn rapin erone out here
Actually if you're an animal lawnmower it just killed you! African drought they learnt this when animals started dropping dead & they couldn't find the poachers but eventually found it was the trees that were murdering them. The chemicals off the grass are the same - warning signal for the other grass to up it's chemicals to murder the animal as soon as it takes a bite
Lilac Lizard Soooooo, basically we all cause suffering of sentient life regardless of whether you are a vegan or non-vegan.
I always used to talk to my pet strawberry plant about my secrets when I was young, little did I know it could’ve been spilling my information to everyone while it was still alive..
😂😭
"Pet Strawberry plant" Alright internet it's past my bedtime that's my que
I don't think it would be an evolutionary advantage for plants to be able to feel physical pain because that would just cause them to suffer unnecessarily considering the fact that they are unable to run away or fight back... they can't move at all so they would be unable to defend themselves from pain. But it is cool to see how complex plants are and how they can communicate with each other and react to their environment.
The basis of plants survival is that they are adapted to support themselves and the environment around them. Along with that, plants don’t feel pain but can react to it by repairing damage, releasing toxins and dispersing seeds/ asexually reproducing.
Plants easily defend themselves with thorns and antinutrients.
Pain is just a type of defense mechanism and if you think about it, it's more necessary for something that is constantly moving for survival rather than something that stands still or moves too slow to hurt itself.
Pain and feeling harm are not the same thing.
@@eleSDSU
I can't say I agree with that...
Humans that lack pain sensation basically stop feeling harm and continue to harm themselves..
Literally will grab hot pans and pots and not put it down, walk on glass and splinters without realizing, stub their toes and feet and continue to put unnecessary pressure on damaged areas making worse what would generally hurt normal humans preventing repetition, not adjust themselves when bedsores or skin breakdown is forming, etc...
This is something common in late stage uncontrolled Diabetes, the vibration sense nerves are usually the first to go and then pain and temperature nerves are the next, doctors typically test vibration sensation and pin pricking for pain, and touch sensations routinely on diabetics to see how advanced the disease is....
holycrap this is scary stuff, i'm starting to view my cactus entirely different now, I should start talking nicely to him or her so he/she doesn't prick me to death while I sleep.
LOL
Hi how are ya?
vegitarians: well animals have feelings so-
*watches this video*
is now airitarian
nah they just photosynthesis
Yup I told most of the veg people if they don't wanna kill life then they should eat Stones.
Scientists: finds out water has also emotions (actually through)
Air: has some water
*Is now nothingarian*
@@tres-2b299 Scientist found out nothingness also has feelings . *Erases self from existence*
@@tres-2b299 you can talk to water to change the molecular structure and it will taste better
Consciousness is the very fabric of existence, not the result of matter but the cause of matter being the way it is. This is the core of Buddhism. Everything expresses the universal consciousness in its own way. Plants in a plant way. You in yours.
I agree. I do believe that plants have conciousness. So do flowers. Flowers are brightly coloured to attract bees. Trees can apparently "talk" to each other via their root systems :) That's cool that also when a plant hears an audio of a caterpillar that it still gives of the repelling scent. Wow!! Plants are pretty freaking neat ^_^ All the greatest medicines are plants too
@@economadic2103 plants can do all that but they cant process anything, its like a robot programmed.
@@a_15_z32 y'know, i am pretty sure they can process all these signals, it's just not the same as us, and they might also really be conscious, but also not the same way as us
Animism had that before that dude though.
Okay now, just fucking relax. There’s no evidence to suggest that existence is birth from consciousness, just because plants are more complex than we initially thought doesn’t all the sudden give you The right to just run around spewing a bunch of metaphysical bullshit
I'm gonna start telling secrets with my plants and call them my best friends
They dont understand languages
Atleast they will care
@@BugsRCool499 but scientists found that they can sense tones? They basically did an experiment, and kt makes it like the plants CAN understand
everything in the universe is conscious to some degree. even down to the smallest particles. and science will prove this in time. watch and learn.
a mineral fears its own death even
@@chrisl1878 A mineral consists of molecules, down to atoms which are all conscious.
uranium atoms be like: ayy bruh lets split
vegans: well, what am I gonna eat now?
@@amandawaller7573 atoms aren't conscious , they have reactions to things doesn't mean they're conscious
"We don't know what's going on, but everybody.... duck"- Grass
Ever since I was very little I always had feelings and sympathy towards plants, I pretty much thought they were alive. No one else I know or knew has those feelings. Now after I watched this video I can see my instincts were correct
Certain species of plant release defence chemicals (which makes it less attractive to herbivores) in response to the sound of caterpillars munching on it (in order to deter them from munching further).
Studies have also shown that animals are likely to experience the emotional, subjective components of pain. Plants, however, do not have such analogous structures, and there is no scientific evidence to show that they can “feel” in the same way as humans and other animals. A plant can’t suffer subjective pain in the absence of a brain.
@@tuvis6896 its 2021 and no your wrong. Plants feel pain
@@EnigmazGuide exactly !
You need a brain to be able to feel pain
@@unrealpotato2230 nope
Depends on your definition of conscious. They are alive, and they do respond, but they cannot think like we think. Consciousness is a tricky topic, indeed.
To answer you: No, but maybe.
Neceros Yeah, memory and response don't imply sentience. If those were the only 2 requirements then the economy would be a sentient entity.
+FreeGoro How silly... the economy isn't a life form , that's a horrible comparison that completely misses the point. (It's funny though xD) All things that are alive are aware of themselves. They aren't as smart as us, though. And it's not the same as us or animals, but they are definitely more alive than most people want to agree on.
Aguila701 It's arrogant to think you can judge a creature by any other standards than the ones you are forced to perceive through.
cake chocolate No, it's not silly, it's a logical consistency that you choose to ignore. No, not all things that are alive are self aware. You are obviously ignorant of biology. Technically a computer algorithm robot written to learn when to take out the trash has memory and responds accordingly, but that doesn't mean the robot is sentient or even alive. That's just how they are programmed, much like how plants are biologically programmed to notice changes in their environment, so too are robots and self learning robots and machines. Plants are alive of course, but there is no sufficient evidence that suggests they are sentient and able to feel pain.
Conscious for me is like it knows what is happening around them
Scientists have found evidence that plants have senses, memories, and can even communicate with each other. But does this mean they're conscious?
BrainStuff - HowStuffWorks For plants, I'm not sure. Some pretty intelligent people have came up with fairly "out there" ideas on consciousness, such as all things are conscious, more complex things are more conscious, and suggested even your light switch could be conscious. But in reality we are still trying to figure out what consciousness really is. I don't think there is strong enough evidence that plants can feel pain, let along emotions. Being able to respond to a threat such as the use reflexes like releasing a repellent is different than being able to feel pain. Having intelligence could be different from having consciousness, depending on future discoveries relating to consciousness.
Plants, or at least the overwhelming majority of them do not have a central nervous system which is what animals require to sense pain and emotions. Plants actually have their own evolved system that allows them to detect and attempt to repair structural compromises. Some plants already do react to tactile stimuli. Whatever it is that they may 'feel', it is compelling enough for them to initiate a programmed system of responses. Plants do not need to be conscious (at the level of animal brains) in order to do this. Microbes also have the ability to detect structural compromises. Our own eucaryotic cells which compose our body also have the ability to detect and repair. You have to understand that these are genetically programmed responses that are there simply because they help avoid the destruction of the organism.
But if it turns out they can feel any pain (Which is extremely unlikely), one can hope that in the far future, we could develop some nanobot that can go around "reprogramming" plants and most animals to not feel pain. And for animals that actually require this to survive? Reprogram an alternative defensive method that does not cause pain.
+BrainStuff - HowStuffWorks It wasnt charles darwin who theorized that it was Russel Alfred Wallace, THE SAME GUY WHO FIRST THEORIZED EVOLUTION!
The only reason he wasnt credited with is because he wasnt a Satanic Free Mason like Darwin! Darwin is like the modern day israelites THEY ARE PLAGIARISTS! RESEARCH IT! *Condemnation Before Investigation Is The Heights of All Ignorance*
No, it doesn't. Rather compare them to a computer. They're programmed (by DNA) to act in a particular way when something happens to them. Just like you can program a computer to "learn", its not actually thinking.
Oh look its a guru you're so intelligent you listen to other people's studies and everything wow no ego man so non-edgy you're the greatest ever so fucking cool SO FUCKING COOL
Low Fidelity
What a clever retort. Someones clearly upset.
I remember when I was about 8 or 9 years age I was wandering through the forest. I had a toy which was VERY sharp and decided to go "cutting" things off. I recall cutting some plants that resembled thistles. They secreted some sort of white liquid that I'd later on in life would go on to know is sap. I felt terrible after knowing that (still kinda do).
I saw a documentary where they had two plants hooked up to seperate lie detector machines, the plant on the left wasn't touched at all. The plant on the right they kept snipping leaves off of it and everytime they did the needle on lie detector machine of the other plant would spike, it knew that the other plant was being harmed. After they did that the guy cutting up the plant walked out the room them mixed him up with about 30 other people and let them one at a time walk in the room with the plant and back out. When the guy who was originally cutting up the other plant walked in the room the needle spiked again. Not only did the plant unharmed know that the other plant was getting cut up, it also knew the exact person who was the one cutting up the other. Two separate plants in separate pots not even sharing the same root system. I saw another documentary that had that mimosa plant in this video, they kept touching its leaves and everytime they would it would curl up. Then they put it in this glass chamber and sprayed either into it. Since either is an anagelisic to the CNS, when they touched the plant that time it did not curl up which only proved the plant was "knocked out" essentially proving plants do have a central nervous system. If you look at the tomatoe plant it can sense when it has one of those green horned catapillers who just love tomatoes plant leaves. The tomatoe plant knows once it has one of theese living on it it releases this pheromone into the air and oh guess what that pheromone does? It just so happens to attract this wasp and guess what the wasps most favorite thing to lay it's babies inside eventually killing it's host when it bursts.....the greened horn catapillar. Tell me plants DONT have a CNS. If that's not proof enough watch the episode of myth busters when they grow tomatoe plants talking nicely to one everyday and screaming at the other everyday. See which one yields the most fruit..
They can hear? okay...I am going to start talking with my plants!
Shirin Shariyari I always talk to my plants! Lol
Yes they can hear
Noshi_usa_ that’s because when u breathe out you release carbon and that’s what they use to breathe and help produce they’re food and that’s how they release oxygen for us to breathe
@@savanastocks6912 there's already enough carbon in the air. they listen but you seem not to lol
My only friend
I am plantkin and this triggers me.
Gnome Child What ya gonna do it about? React really slowly?
@@MEGABUMSTENCH 😂
That was a five year late reply lol
Stop the suffering and killing of plants. Say NO to vegetarians and vegans. Say NO to french-fries, salads and other vegetables. Say NO to wooden houses, furniture and all books.
Mud pots and stones, mmmm.
Nah Fuck that I eat those things (edible ones)and meat
Say YESSS to eating people! The only solution ;-)
Say yes to steaks.
No.
I don’t know if plants can feel pain but they might be able to just tell that they’re missing something and they don’t want to be destroyed so as soon as they can tell that they’ve been damaged they do what they can to protect themselves
They don’t feel it, its more like a factory doing things only based on programming
They do feel, even though they don't have a nervous system. Trees in forests also communicate with each other. Just plain and simple facts. Please keep it in mind the next time that you eat a banana or a carrot (but don't mind about it, in life it's eat or be eaten)
Fact is that, plants can react to something, but still, they dont have neurons and nervous system, so they cant experience fear or pain, they certainly can act, maybe communicate somehow, but that doesnt make them into sentimental beings.. so yeah
Jan Vlček Studies have been done on this as well. They found that there is a pretty good chance plants do feel pain. Even without the presence of nerves.
From scientific point of view, its impossibe to feel pain or be aware without nervous system, so these studies are probably some kind of enlightenment from some cult or religious group.
Jan Vlček For humans it's impossible, but plants are different. You can say it's impossible to react but most plants react to their leaves getting eaten by caterpillars by excreting a defensive chemical. No one knows why, but somehow the plant is able to tell the caterpillar is there and then process that information and excrete the chemical all without the presence of a brain. There's also The Venus fly trap which reacts to someone touching it by slowly closing its leaves around the person's finger.
Thats what i said, they can react, but without neurons, its impossible to feel, basic science, their reacting to harm and stuff doesnt make them sentimental beings. Like u said : For humans it's impossible, but plants are different. Plants are organisms made from molecules, like we are. So its not different, we are just more evolved.
Nothing is impossible in science, there is still the possibility that plants have evolved a sort of pseudo-nervous system that we have never seen before.
hmmm conscious vs selfaware, i don't think that reacting to environmental changes can be considered to be selfaware. Having senses does not equate to being aware.
The example of those curling up leaves plant was intriguing (sp) though, especially since it showed a memory
AwoudeX what about playing music, how come plants grow faster and healthier when music is played
luvyou baby
first: citation needed, second even if it is true, we should find the cause of this and not assume the plant 'likes' the tunes or has personality, because this is a human trait: projecting human characteristics upon organisms that don't have those.
MEGABUMSTENCH
So it's anal and an error to make a very important distinction like that? Whatever dude, i like how you are here just to be anal about people commenting, and you do it like a schoolboy, are you projecting or something???
AwoudeX I'm wasting time. There's a difference between awareness and self awareness. It's funny to me that you would be how you are on this subject, acting so thorough, yet gloss over an important distinction. I don't believe plants are aware. Like i said, wasting time.
+MEGABUMSTENCH They are, but not exactly like us or animals, they're a different life form altogether and they evolved differently. I doubt they feel pain the same way we do, but it's kind of hard to define whether they do or not.
Nitinol "remembers" its original shape and changes back to it.
Magnetic Thinking Putty can engulf objects as if it were an ameba.
Yet I would never consider these substances living and feeling simply because of their interesting physical and chemical properties.
Ok but plants are actually alive... they are biological forms and they are made up of cells. Silly putty is a toy.
Oh no my plant got a stomach ache.
Non-vegans: You dumb? Where is their stomach?
Me: Oh no my plants feel pain.
Non-vegans: You dumb? Where is their brain and nervous system?....Wait no!
Plants are underrated, we need more of them
If you care about plant lives, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
@@uday7633 but the animals are going to eat plants whether we farm them or not
@@comictemplatestudios4378 Dumbas
Ja agreed
@@maxwellsequation4887 1. How?
2. It's spelt dumbass not dumbas
When I was in middle school, I met a girl at summer camp who insisted green grass had feelings. I guess it's possible she was sort of right. The fact that plants have a CNS of sorts is really interesting.
Mechanichs not feelings
i now wonder how a high plant would react to things
and if there might be a drug that could stimulate their responsive system to make it work faster
That plant reacting on caterpillar sounds, does it really "hear" it or does the water inside the plant just vibrate on the frequencie of it leading to a reaction?
Nope, the plants have ears my dad said so
in my opinion plants are same like animals but the world is entirely different so their reactions to stimuli are also different and slow...too...they are very slow ad their DNA is having slow processing and even slow development and growth too..
so they appear different basically ...they can be equated with animals too
I agree :) Even though I'm vegan, I do believe that plants have a level of conciousness and a spirit
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
They don't have a nervous system. It's not splitting hairs. They don't have a way to feel pain.
Vegans right now: 😞
1:53 - You have to prove the intention, just because a chemical is released doesn't mean anything. If I eat food I get saliva in my mouth, this is a reaction. No thought process or consciousness is related to that reaction. So you have to show that the plant intentionally did this, otherwise how can you state this is anything other then it's a chemical reaction. If a caterpillar licks a rock and it makes a dodgy chemical and the caterpillar goes away there is no intention in this. So to me this isn't evidence. If a vibration causes the release of the chemical, if there is an earthquake and steam comes out the ground, that doesn't make the ground conscious. Still not evidence. You have to show how a plant is doing more then just chemical reactions to prove consciousness. Everything about plants just shows basic DNA which is similar to basic computer programming, it's just random events that lead to how the plant does processes, but in the same way a computer isn't conscious or aware, there is no evidence that plants comprehend existence. They can't feel due to no nervous system, and can't think due to no brain, and so can't comprehend emotions or feelings. Consciousness is being aware of ones self, and nothing shown implies a plant is aware of it's self. For example when water is boiled it changes in to steam, water isn't classes as alive because it reacts to light, also does a steam engine become aware because it starts moving due to boiling water. Point being movement doesn't even define awareness. It is obvious animals think and try to figure things out, become scared of other animals and have emotions. If you spend five minutes with animals it is obvious. Then there is biology which shows how animals brains work, and how their nervous systems work. There is very little to indicate a plant is conscious, and nothing to indicate emotional capacity or the ability to perceive pain or fear. It's simply that how the DNA of plants is meant in the environment the plant kept repeating the same patterns that have formed over and over until a mutation happened or some environmental factor acted on the plant. So to me you would have to show a plant showing intuition and trying new ways to communicate with other plants, as in different patterns which could be interpreted in to a language of some kind, and then changes in plant behaviours based on these communications. None of which has been shown.
My point being DNA doesn't equate to consciousness, in the same way that you can have all the parts for a radio and that doesn't mean the radio gets a signal if the parts aren't assembled in the right way. So plants have patterns they do, but that doesn't make them conscious, most likely DNA has to be laid out in a certain way for a being to become conscious, and there is no evidence to show plants are conscious, so most likely plants DNA isn't in the correct way to have consciousness or emotions. So point being plants aren't formed in a way that allows them to be conscious, plants are just a pattern of chemical reactions created by the different patterns in the DNA. As far as I can tell plants aren't aware, in the same way a phone isn't aware and just follows it's programming.
This proves they are alive, not conscious.
They are self aware, so they conscious.
liutasx Haha, no they're not self aware... xD
Haha, yes, I'm God... xD
We already knew they were biologically alive. Now we know they can react to stimuli. Consciousness is still a large stretch.
Genos Demon Cyborg they don't
I feel kinda like a criminal now 😂 I tried to pluck a branch of wild moringa (it was a fully grown tree, bark and all, but still has green sprouts in places) so I can transplant it on one of my plants. I broke and twisted a soft green one... but I wasn't able to fully sever it because I didn't think it'd be that tough.. 😅 That thought is gonna haunt me now... I left that branch broken like that...
Possible argument ammo against elistist vegan?
That's a great idea thanks .
clock3001 You should avoid arguing with elitists vegans. To actually convince those kind of people you go for the moderates, the ones that are open to new arguments. Once you strip them from the core support they had, they'll have to consider the new arguments or commit social sudoku.
Rum Dreg "Sudoku"? Do you mean seppuku? lol Don't want to confuse the two.
rusman74x No, i meant sudoku.
clock3001 i dont speak easpanol, but i can surely understand that
Amazing insights 💚💚💚
they're not sentient, so no it's not unethical or whatever to eat plants. If they are conscious they really don't care if you eat them.
Even Hauge You don't know that.
Well, based on what we can observe, plants don't mind the fruits being eaten, but produce chemicals when an insect is eating its leaves to attract bugs that kill the insect.
+cake chocolate on the contrary, it's not that wouldn't mind their fruits being eaten (if indeed they could mind, jury still out on that). Trees want you to eat the fruits. That is why they make them. They make fruits to attract animals so that they could eat them and spread their seeds (since seeds dropped too close to them would have to compete with them for nourishment from the soil).
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
I had a mimosa pudima plant. They're so cool
Or the scientists broke it when they drop it the first time :P
Considering that their roots act as their brains then that doesn't seem too far off. 😂
This really is in the category of spurious science. The story sounds nice, the animation is cute but where is the science, where is the data? Where is the explanation of the mechanisms within the plants? I guess the business model is that RUclips pays these guys per viewer - this business model encouraging this sort of lazy science.
I've always had sympathy or empathy for trees being cut down. Never understood why.
Always visioned it hurts them like ina human way
Good thing it doesn’t and this video is a lie
@@unrealpotato2230 oh no a vegan plants are alive lol
@@Shadmannnn good i actually love chicken myself, maybe you should try some swedish meatballs they’re absolutely amazing
I have a question : how does antenna or TV received wireless signal and make audio and video to be view on TV ?
I dont want to cause suffering. I dont eat animals. We know they suffer. Is there evidence plants can suffer? If so what ones?
***** from an evolutionary perspective, plants would not need pain since pain is a signal to react. Plants simply arnt quick enough to make use of pain.
Actually plants have the ability to memorize and feel just like we do. They have a system for sending electrical signals and they can produce neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin just like humans. Just because you can't identify with a plant the same way as with an animal doesn't mean it's not alive.
Source: www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants
jagheterjonteh plants are alive... yes. Sentient? We have very little reason to think that.
Siba Burck Are fish sentient? Because they don't feel pain as we do. Reptiles? Their reactions to pain are different as well. What I'm trying to say is that sentience isn't easily defined, we don't know on what level plants can communicate and feel. What we do know however, is that they DO communicate and they do memorize, feel and react to stimuli. Therefore it would be hypocritical to just assume that "plants aren't quick enough to make use of pain" because neither are Sloths, but they still react to it.
In that case Im assuming you avoid walking on grass whenever possible?
Do you use the possibility of plant pain to make you feel better about causing pain to animals? Im just wondering
So, if zoophilia exists, does phyllophilia exists too?
It doesn't mean that plants can think! This means that they can adopt to the environment around them. Yes, this is learning, but not literally. It is more on the instinct level. Nobody deny the fact that plants are living organisms, but some people think that they can love, hate, think or talk to each other! Who are these people? (sorry for my English level)
Not even instinct. Just reaction to stimuli. It is like a decapitated snake still moving when you poke it.
no they'll react to the person that harms them and not to the ones that don't. There's more going on with plants than we know
in the future plants Will just kill every last human till they are all dead as revenge on the fucking vegan murderers
henk de banaan kek
I just read the Star Beast by Robert A. Heinlein. The alien the man keeps as a pet is actually centuries older and from a civilized race, and thinks of the man as a pet. When it leaves to be the ruler of its people it demands that it keep raising humans. This is what I am reminded of. I'm sorry I just told you the whole story-- read it anyway!!!!!!!! If you haven't!!!!
Is my phone conscious? Because it also reacts and remembers...
Plants are not conscious... in 2016 we just declared that animals are conscious...
Are animals intelligent enough to understand death? Because it can smell death.
Animals are not conscious about death... Some Humans still don’t know what happens after death
@@Artur-hg1qg 1. What does that have to do with anything I meant?
2. How can you judge what other animals / species can and can't do. Like you would understand them.
3. Conscious about death - what do you mean by that. - That they have a concept of an afterlife? Or that they understand that if someone is dead they never come back?
@@Slizz 1 Trying to compare my statement to your absurd analogy.
2. I think that is called science or more specific biology.
3 Both.
you're not conscious
@@Artur-hg1qg Funny SLZ is saying to you how you can judge about other animals but he/she also judges about plants not being conscious (although it's scientifically proven, yeah, the activists don't like science :-D
Everything is conscious, because everything is consciousness
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Vegans should watch this video!
Edwin Tomy yup, watched it, it showed plants react to stimuli, think people knew that. NOT ONE PEER REVIEWED STUDY HAS EVER SUGGESTED PLANTS FEEL PAIN
+Kris Pagett According to the peer-reviewed journal Plant Physiology, plants are capable of identifying danger, signaling that danger to other plants and marshaling defenses against perceived threats. According to botanist Bill Williams of the Helvetica Institute, "plants not only seem to be aware and to feel pain, they can even communicate."
Daniel Zhang Do me a favour and send me that paper (again, no paper has ever suggested plants feel pain, merely responding to stimuli, an ice cube melts in the sun)
Kris Pagett What? You mentioned, in caps "NOT ONE PEER REVIEWED STUDY HAS EVER SUGGESTED PLANTS FEEL PAIN".
I just provided you with one above. You fail to go look for it while making claims that it doesn't exist. I'm not a botanist, plant biologist, nor a scientist, I am not the one making the claims nor doing the research. I am just directing to you that such peer-reviewed paper/s do exist.
Take it easy.
Daniel Zhang you take it easy too bud.
Have a look at all the research yourself and make up your own mind :)
Plants don't feel pain, they react to stimuli, not pain. Two wrongs don't make a right. Meat eating is awful for the animals, your health and the environment. Let's say that plants did have the same sentience as animals. Vegans will still be causing little to no environmental harm than meat eaters
the energy of god!
im looking this up because i feel bad growing spring onions and cutting the ends off..
no theyre not.
Yes they are
Are there some references to scientific research that concludes that plant have awareness similar to human?
ruclips.net/video/gBGt5OeAQFk/видео.html and there is more out there. But yeah, Michio Kaku is an idiot and a liar,hm, not my words. words from an vegan activist who wears a cape and a facemask so he could not be recognized :-D
This is actually so interesting!
Vegans gave this a thumbs down-because plants are the last living creatures they have to eat.
Scientists research for months/years, explore and spend a lot of time A LOT of years just to prove a thing or two but then you have Vegans and flat earthers who just Google something for a second and force what they believe...
I'm Groooooot!
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Plants feel pain and are responsive to pain. What will vegans eat? Plants lol. Humans NEED plants to survive, we (at least most of us) DONT NEED meat to survive. For some, eating meat is a matter of necessity (i.e. health reasons) and for others (the vast majority) it's purely because it tastes good.
A healthy and nutritious diet MUST include plants.
Now, can we debunk veganism with "plants feel pain too" argument?
Little Shop of Horrors irl *confirmed!!!*
OMG!!! for real!!
it was at that moment that vegan jack knew he fucked up
Plants don't feel pain. They don't have brain to feel suffering, they don't have nervous system so they can't feel pain. They are alive, but alive doesn't mean it needs to feel pain, there is this disease from which some people don't feel pain for example, doesn't mean they aren't alive. Plants can;t escape from pain, so for what would they feel pain, it would be torture for them if they could. Plants respond by chemistry, but they don't feel pain. Sorry for my English, i'm from Poland.
So killing something that can't feel is somehow better? It's still alive.
Social Is it better? surely better than eating meat which was once part of feeling-pain being. You can't tell me to feel wrong for eating lettuce, what should i eat then? rocks? Pain is part of life, it defines life just as much as happiness. You just have to cope with it. From what I know plants don't feel pain so there's nothing wrong if you ate them. I don't mind eating something that could never experience pain or happiness, love, attachment. Are you trying to tell me there's no difference if I ate a dog or a carrot?
You are wrong. Your first mistake was to assume that a nervous system is needed for electrical signals to be transmitted. Plants use an analogue structure to send signals and produce neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin just like Humans. And they can feel and memorize just like humans. Don't try to justify your plant eating with your bullshit.
jagheterjonteh eat your dog then
Julita Hepburn Get over yourself. I don't discriminate between living organisms just because I place value on one over the other. I eat a healthy balanced diet of mostly plant based matter, usually some fish or white meat (which comes from my families farm) and my health is excellent.
imagine screaming for your life while a rotom mow is eating you with sharp teeth
I'm here to prove the_vegan_teacher wrong on tik tok
@Doughknot Lump i dont speak smart can u pls rephrase :D
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
My teacher did not tell me about this part of Charles Darwin
Vegans: Don’t eat meat eat salad
*after this video*
Vegans: Omg you heartless person! How dare you eat plants, they have feelings too! Eat rocks!
*after rock video*
Vegan: YOU UNCULTURED SWINE! That poor rock, just eat air, how hard is it!
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
Plants can feel different vibrations. I play my singing bowl and they grow like crazy!
That’s adorable
so what do vegans eat now !!????!!??
mo s I still eat plants
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They can fuck themselves 😂
A deliberate animal abuser asking this question?
The "fresh cut grass" thing. Is that to say that it is produced to warn other plants, or just that the smell alone is enough?
Kind of stupid though, isn't it? It's not like they can run, so how can they avoid it?
oh no says the vegan
***** but i like making my stomach a graveyard plus all that adrenalin still left in the animal gives me the buzz i need in the morning
Aguila701 Vegans = Nazis
+Rob Lewis you guys will say anything ..o so its to minimize the suffering now is it. how about minimizing the suffering of animals by supporting free range eggs?
Colin Boots is this Pokemon logic?
***** who would have guessed the egg industry was directly linked to the chicken industry? eggs are very good for you and free range eggs are even better. higher quality food isnt a scam dummy. tasty mm ,very healthy and digestible ..lets see Eggs are loaded with high-quality proteins, vitamins, minerals, good fats and various trace nutrients. A large egg contains (10): Only 77 calories, with 5 grams of fat and 6 grams of protein with all 9 essential amino acids. Rich in iron, phosphorous, selenium and vitamins A, B12, B2 and B5 (among others) anyone can clearly see that eggs are pure poison.. i think you need to look up the word choline *smart guy* .bwahahahaa see what I did there ^?cuz vegans lack an essential b vitamin called choline get it? ahh go get yourself some fenugreek seed oil before u lose the rest of your mind you stupid rabbit
So will I have to start leaving my plants inside even in summer so they don’t witness me cut the lawn?! Oh man my plants must hate me.😖
i dont even see how this can still be in question, there for sure conscious. Put music on for your plants when you're not home and you will see a difference in there health and growth... before you ask the answer is Rock, they love it, Classical is 2nd.
This whole video has a, "Hello Fellow Cool Kids" vibe XD
But this is saving my philosophy of the mind paper on plant consciousness so I'm not complaining
I'm gonna start an air based diet from now on
air molecules have feelings too
@@dannyboots Fuck it I'll eat myself
So the real natural way to go would be eating stuff like fruits vegetables beans rice nuts. Rather your a carnivore or a herbivore your still taking life from the planet.
My crack addict tree: "imma give you some good oxygen for some more crack".
Lol
Are plants conscious? I mean, sure That's kind of an umbrella term, and all living things fit in it. Some would even argue space and planets fit as well. However, SENTIENCE is another question altogether. And I thought for the longest time that humans are alone (at least on this planet) in that department. Then I found out scientist think that octopuses actually are indeed self aware. As well as Dolphins, Monkeys and Apes, Elephants, and even Magpies. There are probably more, though that's all I'm aware of. At ;east concerning the agreement of scientists and zoologists.
in the original E.T. book Et often speaks to plants and asks them what these strange earthlings customs are...and they respond to him.
Imagine everyone in the city going to the park talking to the grass lol
Well, if you are all of a sudden concerned about the lives of plants, you should probably go Vegan. Farm animals eat far more plants than we do.
This is what I've been saying
Farmed plants like monocultar killed more animals than through deforestation,land clearing,chemical fertilizers and pesticides
Even if plants doesn’t feel anything doesn’t mean its not alive. You pluck it outa ground, you fckin killed it.
This is great except for one thing : everything is overinterpreted and we biologists honestly have no clue whether or not plants are conscious. The examples given in this video mean nothing as long as the mimosa plant's "memory" can considered a desensitization to a stimulus, as long as smell is not considered a sense but merely a reaction to a stimulus. We can't talk to plants yet, there is no way - as of now - to know if they are conscious or not... It could all be mechanical and genetic...
No,but,human gravitational fields,voices,and Pheromones,DO affect plants...Every action has a reaction,especially if both are products of biological organisms,and,are in close proximity(Actions,and reactions from afar,are less likely,to be relavant,in immediate forms)...
so should I not get a bonsai that needs more light then I have?
What would be needed for plants to reach the human level of self-awareness and intelligence?
I basically want a scientifically realistic way to get PLANTS VS ZOMBIES GARDEN WARFARE.
Yes, of course. Some plants are smarter than humans !
So many people love to comment how grass screams supposedly when it’s cut. For one, it’s not a scream, as they have no mouth or vocal chord. Two, plants clearly lack the same level of awareness as animals, to try and use that as an argument is ridiculous
They do when it's cut.
They're 100% conscious. And they can help with our mental and emotional health, which affects our physical health too. There's research on how grass and vegetables scream in pain when being cut too. Humanity is just ignorant and out of harmony with nature.
I brought a ZZ plant today. My first ever plant. I inspected it for bugs, and told it not to stress, and that I will take care of you, and that I love you. I hugged and kissed it, and now I'm playing relaxing music for it. I will get it another plant companion soon too.
I am still not convinced that two wrongs make a right. Vegan ism accually saves plants
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
My plants love me, i talk to them everyday and tell them im not vegan
So if it's unconscious we're allowed to consume it without feeling bad about ourselves? Eat what you want. All has been blessed by God.
I wonder why there is no mention of Dr Jagdishchandra Bose in this video the first man who proved that plants have life! He had also invented Crescograph to measure the minute reactions plants give in response to stimuli. He also did not take the patent for his invention of radio and finally it was taken by Marconi! At least Dr Bose should be credited for his work which he proved in front of other scientists! How sad that his work is ignored just because he is from India!
I had an idea. What if our neurons are kind of like plants. Maybe the nucleus is like the seed of a plant and the pathways are like roots, and maybe the tip of the neuron is like the plant root which is the part that thinks and processes information.
If a single neuron is like a plant then together the neurons might be like the root network of plants.
Maybe this shows some ways that socialization and the brain works. A singular plant is sort of like a neuron in our brain, but together they are like a brain. Perhaps humans are the same. On our own we are like one brain, but together, just like the plants can become as powerful as a brain, together we can have a more powerful brain. Maybe this is what socialization is. We become like one organism with a much bigger brain together like we are actually together one person.
So he said "Drugs have an impact on the plants CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM" But they don't even have a central nervous system?
Plants have intelligence, not sentience.
OKAY THATS IT I'M DISLIKING THIS VIDEO NOT BECAUSE ITS A BAD VIDEO BUT BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THE COMMENTS SEEMS TO THINK ITS OKAY TO HATE SOMEONE FOR THEIR FOOD CHOICES
Nice!
I can sense vegans not happy at all with you, lol.
First they said no meat, then they said no animal products, now no grass and plants maybe? Also, nuts, fruit, vegetation is via plants so that will probably rule that out, so big question what will they eat? Eachother? Rocks? Soil? Hmmmm...
If you care about plants, then veganism actually saves lives given the amount of plants being fed to animals for a fraction output through meat. Indirectly, veganism saves animals and plant lives.
I still think it's a mechanical reaction to a wavelength, not consciousness or learnd memory.
What then shall I eat?