Nice video. 👍 Humorously, I recall that the first character that I ever assigned a written "tier" to for power scaling purposes was Cloudy from BFDI. That was years ago.
I personally think that Four scales to at least universal due to his light speed plus his abilities to spawn basically anything and his immunity to lava.
I don't understand why anyone isn't talking about book, in tpot,pillow wrote in book and changed the definition of gravity, meaning that book could change anything by changing the definition of it
If you consider the non canon shorts, Four could scale all the way up to universal. Reasons: - In Black Hole's dream it is stated that he could destroy "everything", leaving a white void. In a non canon short, some od the characters were stuck inside a claw machine, making them survive the heat death of the universe (also huge dura feat) and guess what happens? Empty white void. Four scales above Black Hole so yeah, universal Four.
2 can create atmospheres as he can talk in space, requiring paricles, which get pulled by gravity and have momentum, creating an atmosphere around 2. I believe that 2 can rapidly create these atmospheres and particles to make them.
four can literally destroy black hole who is stated to "warp space-time so hard that there literally wont be a tomorrow" four should scale to universal+
while rocky has lost his infinite matter generator, I still think he is the most powerful out of the main cast. he can barf on command, and that barf is ACIDIC. he can create massive holes in the ground and kill any contestant on command. (heck I wouldn't be surprised if he could even melt 4, X AND 2) and he was able to eat nickel with no negative side effects whatsoever.
I dont think so, as he died to the announcer crying acid before and plus, some characters were never shown to die to acid, like dora, four, x, two etc. And plus, characters like black hole exist. Black hole can literally kill most of the main cast if he wanted to except for four, x and (possibly) two so it could be argued that they are immune or have some sort of immunity Black hole is way stronger than rocky, and most of the bfdi cast as well by default
Four is the strongest out of all since he easily crushed Black Hole into a smaller size, and Black Hole was the Size of a Planet. This shows 2 things about Four. Four can easily manipulate his size to planetary levels as to crush Black Hole WITH ONE HAND. Four can also crush things that literally cannot be physically crushed to a smaller level than a black hole WITH ONE HAND REMEMBER just shows he is the most powerful.
Donut moving the earth through his camera was aided by him having the Factor of Four meaning this is technically a Four feat not a Donut feat (though that camera does belong to Donut so there is that). The way the characters speak about moving the earth via walking in place means that it's probably a property of the BFDI earth itself (the earth is not the same earth as the real earth) so this isn't a character feat it's just a result of the planet being the way it is. Once again the characters standing on the sun is not a character feat, it's just a property of the BFDI sun. There are plenty of other examples of heat effecting the characters that proves this. (Lollipop completely melts and dies in The Worlds Largest Oven but only just begins to slightly melt while standing on BFDI's sun meaning the BFDI sun is less hot than The Worlds Largest Oven). The recovery center thing is true. Worth noting that we don't know who specifically makes them but the Announcer has the ability to get new ones (though it is stated by the Announcer that it is costly) and Tennis Ball states he "can't just build one". Pencil also seemed to own one inside the FreeSmart SuperVan before Book destroyed it. The characters breathing in space is stated to be due to the Announcer's budget cuts and future episodes show them not being able to breath in space, technically this is an Announcer feat. Bubble picking up a star and playing catch with it is iffy due to the already proven weird nature of BFDI planets and BFDI stars, we don't know if that star is comparable to it's real life equivalent so it cannot be used for a feat. Those earths are owned by Four and it's unclear how comparable they are to actual planets. Similar kind of thing to the big dipper star Bubble played with. Can we confirm the forks were moving at hyper speed? Rocky can actually fly a lot as IDFB 1 proves. Rocky's season 1 vomiting feats were due to an infinite matter generator inside of him that was destroyed before season 2. At some point before season 3 he gets his vomit back but it is unclear how for now (although with season 2 coming back we will most likely find out soon). As of right now it's hard to know how Rocky's season 1 feats compare to his season 3-5 self. That Roboty teleporting thing is wrong, he also teleported back to The Grasslands in BFB 2. Most likely he can just teleport anywhere as there is nothing that specifically states he can only teleport to the waterfall. Leafy has teleported using both standalone maps and maps contained within books. It is likely that Leafy can teleport via any depiction of an area. Bell cannot fly, granted this is only properly confirmed in an episode that came out after this video was made. In TPOT 8 Two does not consider her a flying contestant and when Yellow Face throws Ice Cube at Bell, detaching her from her string, she helplessly falls into the water. The Coiny stick feat is also notable for how he was able to specifically aim for and hit the steal button in the van. It is worth noting the species of the different BFDI characters. There are objects (basically any basic character who is a thing with black limbs), Faces (Yellow Face and Purple Face), Davidians (any of those stick figure characters like David and Dora), Speaker Boxes (aliens that contain "something", can be categorised into character speaker boxes like Firey Speaker Box and normal speaker boxes like the Announcer), and Algebraliens (a different group of aliens that have skin, something that those object black limbs apparently don't have, and have mathematical powers based on the math concept that they represent). It is unclear specifically what Two did to the Bathrooms to turn them into the Hotel, seems possible that the hotel was always underground and Two just lifted it up which means it's the same kind of feat as him moving the forest. Breathing in space and flying is a general Algebralien thing and is not unique to Two. The Twosday short is considered non-canon, only videos in the official All Battle for Dream Island Episodes playlist are canon (plus the video BFDI APPISIOTE 225555555!!!!! which isn't in the playlist but is stated as canon by word of god). Worth noting that being burnt by the sun still hurt X but otherwise had no other negative effects on him. BFB 30 shows he might have been setting himself on fire on purpose for the sake of the challenge as well. Him snapping Purple Face out of existence might only have worked due to him having just been recovered by X, it is unlikely that he can just do this to anyone. "Whatever this is" is referred to in BFB 30 as "spinning us into shapes with his hands", that is the best description of what it is but it is confirmed that having this done to you causes death. It is probably a similar power to how he was able to make Black Hole smaller. I have no clue how to categorise The EXIT, but it seems more similar to a realm rather than just being "in his body". He appeared to be flying when he was traveling to the waterfall. Similar to the BFDI earth and BFDI sun it is hard to directly compare the BFDI character Black Hole directly to real black holes. Announcer's budget cuts only apply if he is the "host" of a "season". For the sake of having the Announcer interact with non-BFDI characters it probably scales to the irl budget of the series he is in and requires his laptop. Though I would consider the laptop part of Announcer's standard equipment. (Essentially the Announcer could probably destroy universes like Undertale fairly quickly but a Disney universe would take much longer (the actual budget a character requires should probably also be taken into consideration, the Announcer could destroy Aladdin's Genie faster than Aladdin himself due to the Genie being a costly celebrity voice)). Worth noting that character speaker boxes (such as Firey Speaker Box and Puffball Speaker Box) gain the attributes of the character it is based off as shown by the FSB being able to withstand Firey's flames and the PSB spewing the same rainbow substance that the puffball species is supposed to be able to spew. Good video, I enjoyed thinking about the BFDI characters in this way.
The regular characters interacting with celestial bodies in the way that they do is because of toon force. As most characters do when they use toon force, the BFDI characters temporarily replace real physics with "cartoon physics" to allow themselves to circumvent science, apply childish logic to the world and perform unrealistic actions, like jumping on the Sun to move it. This justifies contradictions, such as how it's consistent that most contestants die against lava and earthly heat in a realistic way, but it's also consistent that they're able to unrealistically survive on the Sun's surface.
@@justjames4 I mean your not wrong but chalking it up to toon force just seems boring plus it de-values any of their other feats, if we establish that the various celestial body feats are just toon force then we could do the same to the vast majority of the BFDI world feats and at that point what's the point of discussing them. Also even if it is toon force the Earth thing still isn't toon force, as stated in the episode it's just the way the BFDI Earth seems to work. I'd be okay with chalking the Dipper star feat as toon force though, as the only other theory I have on how that happened is that in the BFDI world that specific star that Bubble grabbed and played catch with legitimately is that small and not that hot which doesn't quite explain why Leafy was surprised to see them do that. Then again I guess there is no reason to assume Leafy is knowledgeable about every star in the universe and for all we know that specific star is the only star that is that small and able to be grabbed. At this point though were just wildly veering off into fanfiction and fan theory. For the sun heat thing and reposition the sun in the sky thing I just legimately believe the BFDI Sun works in a unique way, I mean after all Blocky is able to somehow insult the sun, which the sun is then somehow able to hear and then turns into an ice cube. Notable to point out that this doesn't seem to negatively effect the BFDI Earth. There are also tons of other goofy sun things in BFDI such as the sun seemingly rising from the seafloor and picking up the Tiny Loser Chamber and the sun being teleported into the Tiny Loser Chamber and somehow not only fitting inside but not harming anyone in there (most notably only causing Snowball to sweat, consistent with it only causing Lollipop to begin melting, establishing that the sun might not legimately be that hot). Once again the Sun being trapped in a metal box does not negatively effect the BFDI Earth. I have theories, one being that the Sun is actually alive and sentient similar to Black Hole and another being that there may be multiple different stars that over a course of time go away and towards the BFDI Earth in some sort of cycle but again were delving into unconfirmed wild speculation. Anyways nice to see a reply to my comment, like I originally said this is a really interesting thought experiment. Wish there were more people to talk about this with but I enjoyed reading your reply and writing this reply.
@@SourBoy How does my interpretation make the analysis boring and de-value the feats? I see it do the opposite. Toon force is what allows for fun contradictions in these kinds of stories, and this logic applies to pretty much any similar series. It's fun to see Peter Griffin from Family Guy survive being teleported to the end of the universe by putting two metal detectors together, but it's also fun to see him regularly in his realistic setting being prone to injuries. It's fun to see SpongeBob SquarePants accidentally unravel at least a galaxy as a result of being obsessed with pulling a mysterious string, but it's also fun to see him in his regular setting that lets him demonstrate his earthly weaknesses. These kinds of characters tend to canonically operate based on what would be entertaining to watch, including times when it would be entertaining for characters to be average and be specifically written to be serious for a prolonged period of time. My interpretation puts value into the occurrences when the characters appear super strong, because otherwise, it'd be reasonable to claim that the unrealistic occurrences are mere outliers that contradict the non-cosmic essences that the characters have in most scenarios. It's not as though toon force isn't a legitimate superpower. In the context of why writers design characters the way that they do, a character having toon force is narratively a means to a justified end, exactly like how Two having "limitless power" is a means to a justified end. The only difference between the two is that the former is more lighthearted while the latter is taken more seriously in the story. Anyway, I'm glad that you enjoy this thought experiment with me too. 👍
@@justjames4 When I said it de-valued the feats and made analysis boring I wasn't claiming the original scene was boring, I was more so talking about the act of trying to powerscale the character themselves. I'm not gonna die on that hill, even if I strongly believe that the BFDI Sun isn't hot, and even with my weird theory on the big dipper small star, I still can't explain the "jumping on the sun to move it in the sky" feat and using toon force does make things much more understandable and is more substantiated in the shows own logic. For example as much as we can reasonably use a characters object limb stretching as a powerscalable feat it's also pretty clear that the only reason the characters can stretch their limbs like that is to set up jokes or for ease of animating rather than any story or lore reason. I ultimately have nothing against considering toon force powerscaling in other media, the media you listed off uses it's toon force for full effect, as you pointed out SpongeBob has done absurd things like unravel was seemed to be the fabric of reality (or at least a portion of it, if that's even possible) but it seems iffy to me to say that toon force is a thing for the BFDI world but it literally only applies to when a handful of contestants jumped on the sun to move it across the sky. Ultimately nothing wrong with considering those feats toon force but I'll always try and craft an explanation that could hold consistency, at least until the day Coiny pops a galaxy like a bubble or something silly. Also as for the Two's "limitless" power thing, this incoming ramble has little to do with your reply I just want to rant about thoughts regarding the nature of TPOT's prize and the true potential of Algebraliens, their power, and their history. First I think Two's use of the word "limitless" is actually far more literal than most would assume. Based on how X slowly learns recovering, how Donut struggled and failed to recover Naily, and X's later shown use of zappies along with Four's spinning into shapes taking less time to do in the most recent appearances of him doing it, I personally have the theory that any Algebralien truly does have limitless power and the only reason they all aren't seen destroying universes casually is because it's a learned thing, the amount of skill and power they can learn is bottomless but it's all still stuff they have to learn. Something to back this theory up is when Four and X switched bodies and suddenly X (who had X's body but Four's mind) was about to zappie and was able to recover someone despite X's shown future struggles and was able to send Match to the EXIT and suddenly Four (who had Four's body but X's mind) started panicking and had to hide behind X while X recovered someone and didn't even attempt to eliminate Match. In my eyes this shows that X has the potential to have the exact same powerset as Four but just that X hasn't learned all those skills yet. Another interesting scene is when Four merges with the sun (can't seem to get away from that thing) causing Clock to run to Two and ask them to fix it under the assumption that Two was more powerful than Four but instead Two just stays out of it and questions Clock on why he believed Two was stronger than Four, I do personally believe that currently Four is more strong than Two (something notable to mention that might help prove this is how the earliest chronological scene of Four that we get is when the first season was airing (since the vast majority of BFDI occurs at the time of upload that scene takes place in 2010-11) and after an unspecified amount of time later (either after BFDIA 5e aka the Announcer finale or after the presumed BFDIA 25 aka the non-Announcer finale meaning it's either 2013 or around 2015-16) he is seen transforming a laptop into a "deep fried seasonal block", this seems like a surprisingly powerful thing for Four to do considering it's literally the first thing he does canonically) I think that when Two questions Clock on those assumptions Two is referring to a purely mathematical sense. Although the Subscriber Special videos are seemingly non-canon, the characters within them appear to be canon according to the pastel room in Four and since it seems unlikely for the other Algebraliens who first debuted in those Subscriber Special shorts to suddenly gain completely new personalities and to have completely new interpersonal relationships I think it's worth bringing up that Nine literally refers to the Zeros as "nobodies" and very clearly looks down upon them presumably due to Nine being a higher number. Then there is the Divide Book from the 2Mil video that teases the idea of an Algebralien ruler who actively didn't want the Algebraliens to gain power (my personal theory being that it has some connection to the Speaker Boxes) and the 1Mil video where Seven asks where One is causing Ten to appear weirdly nervous and then X suddenly appears to distract Seven (the idea of Seven not knowing something that Ten knows is interesting considering that obviously Ten is higher than Seven, there is also X knowing it too which could be due to him not being an Integer and instead being a Variable, or if we want to use more non-canon material like the Four X Plush video he says in that video that his value is in constant flux meaning for all we know in that specific scene X was equal to 8,356 or something) with my thought being that the Algebralien ruler banished One into the moon, possibly due to One finding out that all Algebraliens are equally powerful and that the higher numbers aren't any more powerful than the lower numbers therefor risking (or maybe even already causing) an uprising from the numbers. I've gotta be honest that Algebralien paragraph was just me word vomiting ideas that I've had in my head for ages into this reply because I've got no where else to put it... I hope you enjoyed my insanity lol
@@SourBoy When trying to power scale a character, context is at least as important as feats. Without a justification for why an event is legitimate in a fiction, a feat by itself is really just an event that's highly subjective at best. When I write that a character exits the bounds of science via toon force to perform a feat, that's just me explaining the context of why a character is written to be capable of performing impressive feats. It's supposed to help justify the feats' place in the setting, give it value when discussing this topic and establish why it wouldn't be wise for someone to tell counter-arguments like "that's just a slapstick comedy gag, so it doesn't count" or "that's an outlier; it's inconsistent with how the characters are regularly written". A person telling such counter-arguments has valid concerns that are answered by the context of why the characters have the feats in the first place. Your theory about the power of Algebraliens appears to be similar to the truth that's already confirmed. Great observation. 👍 I'll save you a lot of trouble: During Cary's reaction video to BFB 4, he said that it's nice that Four is written to be omnipotent because it allows convenience with what the show can provide with him as the host. The word "omnipotent" is meant in the sense that Four can have any superpower or can be vaguely described as having the ability to "do anything". Two having "limitless power" is portrayed in a similar way; Two demonstrated the prize of limitless power by performing various feats that were different from each other, and Two hosts in a similar manner as Four, using magic independently instead of mainly relying on the show's budget like the Announcer does. Even though the Announcer's control of the show's budget does lead to supernatural effects, the budget is fundamentally exhaustible, whereas Algebralien magic is inexhaustible because it's reliably described as so, meaning an Algebralien can host a season without budget cuts as long as they know how to use enough magic to replace a need for a budget. Of course, a character having the potential to do something and a character being immediately capable of doing something are two different things, and there is evidence of this being an important detail, as shown by Donut's lack of knowledge in efficiently using Four's abilities, and as shown by X learning how to gain the same abilities that Four frequently uses, like you described. Additionally, even if a character has the ability to "do anything", it doesn't mean that they perpetually maintain all superpowers and the ability to destroy the universe, which is why Four and Two can demonstrate weakness sometimes despite their capabilities being described as infinite.
Bfdi powerscaling is simple because two stated himself he has unlimited power which is high uni and since the contestants are able to hurt him they should be somewhat relative and since X and Four dwarf the contestants massively in power they should be around Low-high Multiversal range as for speed idk tbh
Terms such as "infinite power", "unlimited power" and "omnipotence" often don't specifically refer to a power level. Four and Two both have those capabilities in the sense that they can conjure themselves practically any superpower if they want to. This doesn't mean that they have every superpower all at the same time, and this doesn't mean that they perpetually maintain the strength to destroy reality.
@@justjames4 this scale is now old I have a new scale that gets all of Bfdi to high outer due to r>f transcendence from a gamma ray burst being able to affect a irl object and teardrop being able to enter reality
@@MegaNaze Reality and unreality is a duality, not a dimensional hierarchy. In the way I see it, unless a story demonstrates or implies that "R>F transcendence" equates to a difference in dimensionality, then whatever concerns it would warrant something like subjective reality or transduality. This is because, there isn't actually an infinite distance between real life and fiction. Fiction in this case is simply light on a screen portraying the ideas of some people, which is all within our dimensionality, but not our reality.
@@justjames4 it quite literally shows tear drop entering real life and the gamma ray burst destroying the real life flower and in another statement it was stated that if it rains its a teardrop family reunion
@@MegaNaze I already know that. What was shown is clear. I explained why I don't give that the same qualifications as you because I have different standards.
Update on bfdi scaling The contestants are multi solar system to low multi Two is hight uni to low multi Four is uni +,low multi to multi possibly higher Announcer is low multi to complex multi
feats for as much people as i can think of: yellow face: pocket dimension, summon objects, inventions donut: moving earth 4: shapeshifting INTO THE SUN, lasers and the rest you stated in this video Rocky: Acidic vomit (stated by @truffleworm9888) David: throw black hole (in the scholastic book commercial) Announcer: Budget cuts Roboty: Teleportation Teardrop: can turn into any body of water by just jumping in CARYKH: technically god of bfdi being one of the two creators (but he is an actual character) 2: 2/2/2022 / 2/22/2022 Blocky: i believe he can create object like yellow face, or he can interfere with the show like yellow face with his pranks. leafy: teleportation, evil leafy puffball: can grow and shrink as well as being able to go past a desert in a few seconds add more in replies
Nice video. 👍 Humorously, I recall that the first character that I ever assigned a written "tier" to for power scaling purposes was Cloudy from BFDI. That was years ago.
Forgot to mention that Four moves at 42 times the speed of light, he traveled from earth to the sun in seconds
Flower blocked a laser. But not any laser. A laser that could CIRCLE THE ENTIRE EARTH IN SECONDS
I mean, that was more on the mirror that on her really
I personally think that Four scales to at least universal due to his light speed plus his abilities to spawn basically anything and his immunity to lava.
THAT FLAG....
I don't understand why anyone isn't talking about book, in tpot,pillow wrote in book and changed the definition of gravity, meaning that book could change anything by changing the definition of it
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If you consider the non canon shorts, Four could scale all the way up to universal. Reasons:
- In Black Hole's dream it is stated that he could destroy "everything", leaving a white void. In a non canon short, some od the characters were stuck inside a claw machine, making them survive the heat death of the universe (also huge dura feat) and guess what happens? Empty white void. Four scales above Black Hole so yeah, universal Four.
2 can create atmospheres as he can talk in space, requiring paricles, which get pulled by gravity and have momentum, creating an atmosphere around 2.
I believe that 2 can rapidly create these atmospheres and particles to make them.
this guy's evil y'all, he forgot the cheese orb :(
four can literally destroy black hole who is stated to "warp space-time so hard that there literally wont be a tomorrow"
four should scale to universal+
while rocky has lost his infinite matter generator, I still think he is the most powerful out of the main cast. he can barf on command, and that barf is ACIDIC. he can create massive holes in the ground and kill any contestant on command. (heck I wouldn't be surprised if he could even melt 4, X AND 2) and he was able to eat nickel with no negative side effects whatsoever.
I dont think so, as he died to the announcer crying acid before and plus, some characters were never shown to die to acid, like dora, four, x, two etc. And plus, characters like black hole exist. Black hole can literally kill most of the main cast if he wanted to except for four, x and (possibly) two so it could be argued that they are immune or have some sort of immunity
Black hole is way stronger than rocky, and most of the bfdi cast as well by default
@@toplin9172can Rocky beat Goku tho?
Theres new number that showed up being 1
Four would scale to high uni to multiversal to low complex multi and announcer would scale to multiversal to complex multiversal
Four is the strongest out of all since he easily crushed Black Hole into a smaller size, and Black Hole was the Size of a Planet. This shows 2 things about Four.
Four can easily manipulate his size to planetary levels as to crush Black Hole WITH ONE HAND.
Four can also crush things that literally cannot be physically crushed to a smaller level than a black hole WITH ONE HAND REMEMBER just shows he is the most powerful.
David : AWW SERIOUSLY?
Yellow face is OP
Donut moving the earth through his camera was aided by him having the Factor of Four meaning this is technically a Four feat not a Donut feat (though that camera does belong to Donut so there is that).
The way the characters speak about moving the earth via walking in place means that it's probably a property of the BFDI earth itself (the earth is not the same earth as the real earth) so this isn't a character feat it's just a result of the planet being the way it is.
Once again the characters standing on the sun is not a character feat, it's just a property of the BFDI sun. There are plenty of other examples of heat effecting the characters that proves this. (Lollipop completely melts and dies in The Worlds Largest Oven but only just begins to slightly melt while standing on BFDI's sun meaning the BFDI sun is less hot than The Worlds Largest Oven).
The recovery center thing is true. Worth noting that we don't know who specifically makes them but the Announcer has the ability to get new ones (though it is stated by the Announcer that it is costly) and Tennis Ball states he "can't just build one". Pencil also seemed to own one inside the FreeSmart SuperVan before Book destroyed it.
The characters breathing in space is stated to be due to the Announcer's budget cuts and future episodes show them not being able to breath in space, technically this is an Announcer feat.
Bubble picking up a star and playing catch with it is iffy due to the already proven weird nature of BFDI planets and BFDI stars, we don't know if that star is comparable to it's real life equivalent so it cannot be used for a feat.
Those earths are owned by Four and it's unclear how comparable they are to actual planets. Similar kind of thing to the big dipper star Bubble played with.
Can we confirm the forks were moving at hyper speed?
Rocky can actually fly a lot as IDFB 1 proves.
Rocky's season 1 vomiting feats were due to an infinite matter generator inside of him that was destroyed before season 2. At some point before season 3 he gets his vomit back but it is unclear how for now (although with season 2 coming back we will most likely find out soon). As of right now it's hard to know how Rocky's season 1 feats compare to his season 3-5 self.
That Roboty teleporting thing is wrong, he also teleported back to The Grasslands in BFB 2. Most likely he can just teleport anywhere as there is nothing that specifically states he can only teleport to the waterfall.
Leafy has teleported using both standalone maps and maps contained within books. It is likely that Leafy can teleport via any depiction of an area.
Bell cannot fly, granted this is only properly confirmed in an episode that came out after this video was made. In TPOT 8 Two does not consider her a flying contestant and when Yellow Face throws Ice Cube at Bell, detaching her from her string, she helplessly falls into the water.
The Coiny stick feat is also notable for how he was able to specifically aim for and hit the steal button in the van.
It is worth noting the species of the different BFDI characters. There are objects (basically any basic character who is a thing with black limbs), Faces (Yellow Face and Purple Face), Davidians (any of those stick figure characters like David and Dora), Speaker Boxes (aliens that contain "something", can be categorised into character speaker boxes like Firey Speaker Box and normal speaker boxes like the Announcer), and Algebraliens (a different group of aliens that have skin, something that those object black limbs apparently don't have, and have mathematical powers based on the math concept that they represent).
It is unclear specifically what Two did to the Bathrooms to turn them into the Hotel, seems possible that the hotel was always underground and Two just lifted it up which means it's the same kind of feat as him moving the forest.
Breathing in space and flying is a general Algebralien thing and is not unique to Two.
The Twosday short is considered non-canon, only videos in the official All Battle for Dream Island Episodes playlist are canon (plus the video BFDI APPISIOTE 225555555!!!!! which isn't in the playlist but is stated as canon by word of god).
Worth noting that being burnt by the sun still hurt X but otherwise had no other negative effects on him. BFB 30 shows he might have been setting himself on fire on purpose for the sake of the challenge as well.
Him snapping Purple Face out of existence might only have worked due to him having just been recovered by X, it is unlikely that he can just do this to anyone.
"Whatever this is" is referred to in BFB 30 as "spinning us into shapes with his hands", that is the best description of what it is but it is confirmed that having this done to you causes death. It is probably a similar power to how he was able to make Black Hole smaller.
I have no clue how to categorise The EXIT, but it seems more similar to a realm rather than just being "in his body".
He appeared to be flying when he was traveling to the waterfall.
Similar to the BFDI earth and BFDI sun it is hard to directly compare the BFDI character Black Hole directly to real black holes.
Announcer's budget cuts only apply if he is the "host" of a "season". For the sake of having the Announcer interact with non-BFDI characters it probably scales to the irl budget of the series he is in and requires his laptop. Though I would consider the laptop part of Announcer's standard equipment. (Essentially the Announcer could probably destroy universes like Undertale fairly quickly but a Disney universe would take much longer (the actual budget a character requires should probably also be taken into consideration, the Announcer could destroy Aladdin's Genie faster than Aladdin himself due to the Genie being a costly celebrity voice)).
Worth noting that character speaker boxes (such as Firey Speaker Box and Puffball Speaker Box) gain the attributes of the character it is based off as shown by the FSB being able to withstand Firey's flames and the PSB spewing the same rainbow substance that the puffball species is supposed to be able to spew.
Good video, I enjoyed thinking about the BFDI characters in this way.
The regular characters interacting with celestial bodies in the way that they do is because of toon force. As most characters do when they use toon force, the BFDI characters temporarily replace real physics with "cartoon physics" to allow themselves to circumvent science, apply childish logic to the world and perform unrealistic actions, like jumping on the Sun to move it. This justifies contradictions, such as how it's consistent that most contestants die against lava and earthly heat in a realistic way, but it's also consistent that they're able to unrealistically survive on the Sun's surface.
@@justjames4 I mean your not wrong but chalking it up to toon force just seems boring plus it de-values any of their other feats, if we establish that the various celestial body feats are just toon force then we could do the same to the vast majority of the BFDI world feats and at that point what's the point of discussing them. Also even if it is toon force the Earth thing still isn't toon force, as stated in the episode it's just the way the BFDI Earth seems to work.
I'd be okay with chalking the Dipper star feat as toon force though, as the only other theory I have on how that happened is that in the BFDI world that specific star that Bubble grabbed and played catch with legitimately is that small and not that hot which doesn't quite explain why Leafy was surprised to see them do that. Then again I guess there is no reason to assume Leafy is knowledgeable about every star in the universe and for all we know that specific star is the only star that is that small and able to be grabbed. At this point though were just wildly veering off into fanfiction and fan theory.
For the sun heat thing and reposition the sun in the sky thing I just legimately believe the BFDI Sun works in a unique way, I mean after all Blocky is able to somehow insult the sun, which the sun is then somehow able to hear and then turns into an ice cube. Notable to point out that this doesn't seem to negatively effect the BFDI Earth. There are also tons of other goofy sun things in BFDI such as the sun seemingly rising from the seafloor and picking up the Tiny Loser Chamber and the sun being teleported into the Tiny Loser Chamber and somehow not only fitting inside but not harming anyone in there (most notably only causing Snowball to sweat, consistent with it only causing Lollipop to begin melting, establishing that the sun might not legimately be that hot). Once again the Sun being trapped in a metal box does not negatively effect the BFDI Earth. I have theories, one being that the Sun is actually alive and sentient similar to Black Hole and another being that there may be multiple different stars that over a course of time go away and towards the BFDI Earth in some sort of cycle but again were delving into unconfirmed wild speculation.
Anyways nice to see a reply to my comment, like I originally said this is a really interesting thought experiment. Wish there were more people to talk about this with but I enjoyed reading your reply and writing this reply.
@@SourBoy How does my interpretation make the analysis boring and de-value the feats? I see it do the opposite. Toon force is what allows for fun contradictions in these kinds of stories, and this logic applies to pretty much any similar series. It's fun to see Peter Griffin from Family Guy survive being teleported to the end of the universe by putting two metal detectors together, but it's also fun to see him regularly in his realistic setting being prone to injuries. It's fun to see SpongeBob SquarePants accidentally unravel at least a galaxy as a result of being obsessed with pulling a mysterious string, but it's also fun to see him in his regular setting that lets him demonstrate his earthly weaknesses. These kinds of characters tend to canonically operate based on what would be entertaining to watch, including times when it would be entertaining for characters to be average and be specifically written to be serious for a prolonged period of time. My interpretation puts value into the occurrences when the characters appear super strong, because otherwise, it'd be reasonable to claim that the unrealistic occurrences are mere outliers that contradict the non-cosmic essences that the characters have in most scenarios. It's not as though toon force isn't a legitimate superpower. In the context of why writers design characters the way that they do, a character having toon force is narratively a means to a justified end, exactly like how Two having "limitless power" is a means to a justified end. The only difference between the two is that the former is more lighthearted while the latter is taken more seriously in the story.
Anyway, I'm glad that you enjoy this thought experiment with me too. 👍
@@justjames4 When I said it de-valued the feats and made analysis boring I wasn't claiming the original scene was boring, I was more so talking about the act of trying to powerscale the character themselves.
I'm not gonna die on that hill, even if I strongly believe that the BFDI Sun isn't hot, and even with my weird theory on the big dipper small star, I still can't explain the "jumping on the sun to move it in the sky" feat and using toon force does make things much more understandable and is more substantiated in the shows own logic. For example as much as we can reasonably use a characters object limb stretching as a powerscalable feat it's also pretty clear that the only reason the characters can stretch their limbs like that is to set up jokes or for ease of animating rather than any story or lore reason. I ultimately have nothing against considering toon force powerscaling in other media, the media you listed off uses it's toon force for full effect, as you pointed out SpongeBob has done absurd things like unravel was seemed to be the fabric of reality (or at least a portion of it, if that's even possible) but it seems iffy to me to say that toon force is a thing for the BFDI world but it literally only applies to when a handful of contestants jumped on the sun to move it across the sky. Ultimately nothing wrong with considering those feats toon force but I'll always try and craft an explanation that could hold consistency, at least until the day Coiny pops a galaxy like a bubble or something silly.
Also as for the Two's "limitless" power thing, this incoming ramble has little to do with your reply I just want to rant about thoughts regarding the nature of TPOT's prize and the true potential of Algebraliens, their power, and their history. First I think Two's use of the word "limitless" is actually far more literal than most would assume. Based on how X slowly learns recovering, how Donut struggled and failed to recover Naily, and X's later shown use of zappies along with Four's spinning into shapes taking less time to do in the most recent appearances of him doing it, I personally have the theory that any Algebralien truly does have limitless power and the only reason they all aren't seen destroying universes casually is because it's a learned thing, the amount of skill and power they can learn is bottomless but it's all still stuff they have to learn. Something to back this theory up is when Four and X switched bodies and suddenly X (who had X's body but Four's mind) was about to zappie and was able to recover someone despite X's shown future struggles and was able to send Match to the EXIT and suddenly Four (who had Four's body but X's mind) started panicking and had to hide behind X while X recovered someone and didn't even attempt to eliminate Match. In my eyes this shows that X has the potential to have the exact same powerset as Four but just that X hasn't learned all those skills yet. Another interesting scene is when Four merges with the sun (can't seem to get away from that thing) causing Clock to run to Two and ask them to fix it under the assumption that Two was more powerful than Four but instead Two just stays out of it and questions Clock on why he believed Two was stronger than Four, I do personally believe that currently Four is more strong than Two (something notable to mention that might help prove this is how the earliest chronological scene of Four that we get is when the first season was airing (since the vast majority of BFDI occurs at the time of upload that scene takes place in 2010-11) and after an unspecified amount of time later (either after BFDIA 5e aka the Announcer finale or after the presumed BFDIA 25 aka the non-Announcer finale meaning it's either 2013 or around 2015-16) he is seen transforming a laptop into a "deep fried seasonal block", this seems like a surprisingly powerful thing for Four to do considering it's literally the first thing he does canonically) I think that when Two questions Clock on those assumptions Two is referring to a purely mathematical sense. Although the Subscriber Special videos are seemingly non-canon, the characters within them appear to be canon according to the pastel room in Four and since it seems unlikely for the other Algebraliens who first debuted in those Subscriber Special shorts to suddenly gain completely new personalities and to have completely new interpersonal relationships I think it's worth bringing up that Nine literally refers to the Zeros as "nobodies" and very clearly looks down upon them presumably due to Nine being a higher number. Then there is the Divide Book from the 2Mil video that teases the idea of an Algebralien ruler who actively didn't want the Algebraliens to gain power (my personal theory being that it has some connection to the Speaker Boxes) and the 1Mil video where Seven asks where One is causing Ten to appear weirdly nervous and then X suddenly appears to distract Seven (the idea of Seven not knowing something that Ten knows is interesting considering that obviously Ten is higher than Seven, there is also X knowing it too which could be due to him not being an Integer and instead being a Variable, or if we want to use more non-canon material like the Four X Plush video he says in that video that his value is in constant flux meaning for all we know in that specific scene X was equal to 8,356 or something) with my thought being that the Algebralien ruler banished One into the moon, possibly due to One finding out that all Algebraliens are equally powerful and that the higher numbers aren't any more powerful than the lower numbers therefor risking (or maybe even already causing) an uprising from the numbers.
I've gotta be honest that Algebralien paragraph was just me word vomiting ideas that I've had in my head for ages into this reply because I've got no where else to put it... I hope you enjoyed my insanity lol
@@SourBoy When trying to power scale a character, context is at least as important as feats. Without a justification for why an event is legitimate in a fiction, a feat by itself is really just an event that's highly subjective at best. When I write that a character exits the bounds of science via toon force to perform a feat, that's just me explaining the context of why a character is written to be capable of performing impressive feats. It's supposed to help justify the feats' place in the setting, give it value when discussing this topic and establish why it wouldn't be wise for someone to tell counter-arguments like "that's just a slapstick comedy gag, so it doesn't count" or "that's an outlier; it's inconsistent with how the characters are regularly written". A person telling such counter-arguments has valid concerns that are answered by the context of why the characters have the feats in the first place.
Your theory about the power of Algebraliens appears to be similar to the truth that's already confirmed. Great observation. 👍 I'll save you a lot of trouble: During Cary's reaction video to BFB 4, he said that it's nice that Four is written to be omnipotent because it allows convenience with what the show can provide with him as the host. The word "omnipotent" is meant in the sense that Four can have any superpower or can be vaguely described as having the ability to "do anything". Two having "limitless power" is portrayed in a similar way; Two demonstrated the prize of limitless power by performing various feats that were different from each other, and Two hosts in a similar manner as Four, using magic independently instead of mainly relying on the show's budget like the Announcer does. Even though the Announcer's control of the show's budget does lead to supernatural effects, the budget is fundamentally exhaustible, whereas Algebralien magic is inexhaustible because it's reliably described as so, meaning an Algebralien can host a season without budget cuts as long as they know how to use enough magic to replace a need for a budget. Of course, a character having the potential to do something and a character being immediately capable of doing something are two different things, and there is evidence of this being an important detail, as shown by Donut's lack of knowledge in efficiently using Four's abilities, and as shown by X learning how to gain the same abilities that Four frequently uses, like you described. Additionally, even if a character has the ability to "do anything", it doesn't mean that they perpetually maintain all superpowers and the ability to destroy the universe, which is why Four and Two can demonstrate weakness sometimes despite their capabilities being described as infinite.
Can they all beat goku tho?
Z goku yes
Um don't you mean 2763 miles
Bfdi powerscaling is simple because two stated himself he has unlimited power which is high uni and since the contestants are able to hurt him they should be somewhat relative and since X and Four dwarf the contestants massively in power they should be around Low-high Multiversal range as for speed idk tbh
Terms such as "infinite power", "unlimited power" and "omnipotence" often don't specifically refer to a power level. Four and Two both have those capabilities in the sense that they can conjure themselves practically any superpower if they want to. This doesn't mean that they have every superpower all at the same time, and this doesn't mean that they perpetually maintain the strength to destroy reality.
@@justjames4 this scale is now old I have a new scale that gets all of Bfdi to high outer due to r>f transcendence from a gamma ray burst being able to affect a irl object and teardrop being able to enter reality
@@MegaNaze Reality and unreality is a duality, not a dimensional hierarchy. In the way I see it, unless a story demonstrates or implies that "R>F transcendence" equates to a difference in dimensionality, then whatever concerns it would warrant something like subjective reality or transduality. This is because, there isn't actually an infinite distance between real life and fiction. Fiction in this case is simply light on a screen portraying the ideas of some people, which is all within our dimensionality, but not our reality.
@@justjames4 it quite literally shows tear drop entering real life and the gamma ray burst destroying the real life flower and in another statement it was stated that if it rains its a teardrop family reunion
@@MegaNaze I already know that. What was shown is clear. I explained why I don't give that the same qualifications as you because I have different standards.
Ok
Update on bfdi scaling
The contestants are multi solar system to low multi
Two is hight uni to low multi
Four is uni +,low multi to multi possibly higher
Announcer is low multi to complex multi
Can they beay Goku tho
If it’s z goku they can probably can
feats for as much people as i can think of:
yellow face: pocket dimension, summon objects, inventions
donut: moving earth
4: shapeshifting INTO THE SUN, lasers and the rest you stated in this video
Rocky: Acidic vomit (stated by @truffleworm9888)
David: throw black hole (in the scholastic book commercial)
Announcer: Budget cuts
Roboty: Teleportation
Teardrop: can turn into any body of water by just jumping in
CARYKH: technically god of bfdi being one of the two creators (but he is an actual character)
2: 2/2/2022 / 2/22/2022
Blocky: i believe he can create object like yellow face, or he can interfere with the show like yellow face with his pranks.
leafy: teleportation, evil leafy
puffball: can grow and shrink as well as being able to go past a desert in a few seconds
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nuh uh