I'm in feeder training right now and this is extremely helpful. The parts I have trouble in I just reply and watch it as sections instead of all at once. Doing it that way I got most of the pre trip in a day. It looks tougher then what it really is a lot of the components are just the same thing just on the other side of the truck.
I just started my first day today. Haven’t driven is over 6 months and honestly i was very nervous about the driving test and the pre trip. I did quite okay considering the long lay off ! I’m going out with a driver tomorrow ! Very excited about this new chapter.
@@gladiatorgaminginfo5053 Basically a you start with a pre trip like this instructor is doing. Then you go for a driving test where they see your shifting abilities, following distance, ect ect. It was not that bad at all , as long as you’re confident in your driving abilities and are a defensive driver , you will have no problem getting past the test
Damn that’s a long pre-trip mine get out look around the truck it looks good boom I’m out but damn it’s impressive this guy can retain all that information
My Pre-trip consists of a quarter second glance in the side mirror to make sure my trailer is attached and boom im rolling hard down that open highway.
HR just called me about the feeder relief driver position. I'm a package car driver with my own route. I make about 37.94 right now with the new contract. Feeder makes a a couple more cents than us. ( I checked the pay rate) but i heard they get paid per miles they drive. I'm gonna try it out to see how it goes. Some say I'll like it some say I wont. Either way I'm still making that over 100k a year.
We get 20 minutes in the yard. To pre trip, hook up, check freight, look for a pallet jack, and straps. I’d be getting a warning letter if I did all this 😂
Great video as a guide. I'm currently going through the feeder training. A couple of issues though, when he says 4 way flashers are flashing in sequence, that is incorrect. Sequence means one after the other. Flashers are flashing in unison is the correct term. He also doesn't call out the water pump, alternator, air compressor and steering pump during the engine inspection. I'm only pointing these things out because they are important.
So if you have a class A already do you still have to go through this what happens if you don’t pass their pre trip do they give you an extra shot at it also do they give a pre trip sheet to practice with?
Relax or you will make a mistake take your time don't rush through it I know you're on a Time sensitive schedule but when it comes to pre-trip that is something that has to be completely focused
That's the real world for you. This guy is making this for corporate I'm sure no way the real drivers have time for this they get in and head out anything happens along the way they deal with it. Too much bs in this video
@@darkheathen6765 "anything happens along the way they deal with it" so if your brakes don't work you'll figure out on the road, huh? Real drivers do this during pre trips. It's just taking him longer because he's saying everything out loud.
He better hurry up he has to be off the yard n 17mins ... wait a min this video is longer then 17 mins and he still has to get his load are he still has to get a empty trailer ... this is a perfect pre trip ... whoever sets the schedule need to watch this video say they will kno wtf is a pre trip
Any tips for a fellow Upser going into feeders? I'm going to take my permit tests this Wed so I'm praying I pass. 🤞 Any tips and advice would be greatly appreciated!! I'm at the Knox TN HUB.
Truth Seeker 92 I decided to take it Friday that way I have a few more days to study over everything. I will keep you in my prayers about this giant step in your career with UPS. :) When are you all starting feeder school? I do not have any CDL experience or training, so I'm having some anxiety about taking these test. I'm praying I pass all of them the first time around. Let me know how everything goes and I will do the same! Good luck and stay safe dude!!
Hey Truth Seeker 92 I am in the works of becoming a feeder. I have my CDL permit and did my roadtest and just waitning for a class to open up. I have never driven a semi truck before. You think it would be benifitial for me to try and go to a cdl school for 3 weeks and then go to the UPS training class? I want to feel confident behind the wheel and pass so I don't have to wait a year to retry.
I field my application today. If she calls me and tells me a class is open before I am done with the CDL school can I tell the HR lady to schedule me for the next available class? I think my hub has to hire 140 feeder drivers.
Actually, he slowed down because he's talking and explaining his procedure to the camera. Usually those inspections go quick. It does look unorganized but there's a method to the madness. For years UPS has been refining their inspection protocols down to the second so as to avoid wasting time and effort in unnecessary body motions. This guy is making very good coin, and UPS don't want to pay for wasted time and unnecessary extra steps. They want maximum safety and efficiency, in that order.
@@MrGene1976 as long as you do what they ask you have nothing to worry about. For what they paid me per hour I'll take all the time they want to pay me.
@@MrGene1976 more like $39 per hour and OT after 8 hrs and that was 7 years ago when I retired. So maybe you don't know what the f**k you are talking about or maybe you couldn't get a driving job with UPS cause you SUCK as a driver!!
In the video the driver side door was opened and closed three times before the driver side mirror housing, glass, and bracket were even checked. Had any of these items been in unsatisfactory condition or defective, when he shut the door he could have been seriously injured by a defective mirror part.
17 minute pre trip? I've driven for swift for 17 years over 3.1 million miles and haven't once done a pre trip!!! Does it go forwarded, stop and reverse? Then it's good to go!! You UPS drivers are sooo full of your selves!! You probably keep only one log book too don't you?!?
Instant fail for using heel to check air pressure. A thumper has been required well before this video. DVIR is electronic now. Tap those brake chambers. Horn "audible" & reliable. Pressure hold test engine off no drop over 3 psi for one minute. Brake pedal pressure hold test should be engine off hold one minute. Air lines have to be charged to find a bubble. Slow down dude!
8:42 So those trucks came from the factory with a brake dust cover which prevents the driver and/or DOT inspector from checking brake shoe for wear, cracks or oil contamination, which begs the question: Does UPS have some type of exemption as far as being able to pass inspection without a visual check on brake linings? or better yet, are UPS trucks self-certified and exempt from Scale Inspections because of their high level of maintenance and driver training? In my 22 years driving I can't recall ever noticing a UPS feeder truck at a DOT inspection bay.
818116A I'm with you brother I've been trucking 34 years and I've never seen a Buster Brown getting a DOT inspection... I've had them driving for Southeastern Freight Lines and AAA Cooper Transportation but I've never seen a Buster Brown driver getting a DOT inspection? I wondered about that for a long time because UPS takes someone that is a package Slinger out of the warehouse and makes them a truck driver in 2 weeks but... I don't see it.. It takes more than two weeks to be a trucker or truck driver... The fools can't even back-up it's unreal how many dumbasses UPS puts on the road when there are thousands of professional drivers that would gladly put on a brown uniform and drive for them... Even though I work for UPS I still don't get it we could have five hundred professional drivers but instead we've got dumbasses AKA package slingers being trained two weeks and then put in a damn 70,000 pound vehicle... I don't want my family on the road with anyone in a brown tractor trailer or tractor and a set of joints because you can't tell the difference between the professional truck driver and a dumbass package slanger with two weeks training....
Where PPE safety gloves when doing pre-trip? Safety first. Ups you need to provide your CDL drivers with full PPE protection, not just a vest, but protection eye wear of clear and shaded Safety first. As CDL driver why the shorts and not pants, don't you have check under the trailers. CDL drivers read over and know your OSHA rights.
And when did you say we were gonna deliver some actual goods??? And then again... By reading through the comments you discover, that there is an actual EXAM to become a feeder driver... I mean, come on - I am a truckdriver myself, having app. 25 stops a day on a roundtrip that's app. 500 km long - and I have never had any exam besides my drivers license... Now, correct me if I'm wrong - but feeder-driving is, as far as I know, driving between two hubs. In Scandinavia, we consider that the easiest kind of trucking - something you typically let the newbies do, until they learn to handle the vehicle... How on earth can that be something that requires an exam - get in the truck, take your trailer, get the papers, drive. Why make it so complicated?
UPS is the best of the best. They have an amazing safety record, and their pay/benefits package is off the charts. In return, they want you to be amazing.
QP300 That's why UPS is the best of the best son. They demand the best drivers because they are the best pay and benefits in trucking. Another thing. It takes years to become a UPS feeder driver. You start out loading trucks part time and after that if you have enough seniority you sign a bid for full time package driver. After a few years of that you might get lucky enough to win a feeder bid. You don't just apply for a feeder job it takes years to attain.
@@vikings844 wrong, if a hub needs feeders. They will hire people right off the street. Dont need to go thru package handling, or delivery driver. It depends on city and state.
At 8:57 He said 4/32 tire thread depth but earlier he said 2/32 tire thread depth. This detailed of a pretrip is fucking ridiculous. Dot doesn't even make you recite that many items.
Feeder driver you need to slow down or you will make mistakes that you won't even know of because you're rushing through it time sensitive or not pre-trip inspections are extremely important those who Rush do things twice
Too much bullshit they should hire truck checkers to see if everything is up too par get some of those slave minion package handlers to do it at the least. The driver should just get in and go.
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I'm in feeder training right now and this is extremely helpful. The parts I have trouble in I just reply and watch it as sections instead of all at once. Doing it that way I got most of the pre trip in a day. It looks tougher then what it really is a lot of the components are just the same thing just on the other side of the truck.
Thank u lord for permanent position for UPS FEEDER DRIVER
Damn you have done a days work...clock out good job
Verna Foster
No s*** I'm tired just watching the video lol...
That's my old preload manager Mike Perez cool guy
After doing all of that, break time. LOL
I just started my first day today. Haven’t driven is over 6 months and honestly i was very nervous about the driving test and the pre trip. I did quite okay considering the long lay off ! I’m going out with a driver tomorrow ! Very excited about this new chapter.
Hey what did you have to for the driving test?
How was the driver test bro you pass
you still alive, you still there ?
Yeah I ended up passing ! Been in Feeder for a year and a half now. Crazy how fast time goes by
@@gladiatorgaminginfo5053 Basically a you start with a pre trip like this instructor is doing. Then you go for a driving test where they see your shifting abilities, following distance, ect ect. It was not that bad at all , as long as you’re confident in your driving abilities and are a defensive driver , you will have no problem getting past the test
the instructor must have been doing this for years due to his language speed..
Damn that’s a long pre-trip mine get out look around the truck it looks good boom I’m out but damn it’s impressive this guy can retain all that information
This video tells me that UPS pays by the hour and not the mile.
of course they pay by the mile
You do this in your head in like maybe 5 minutes. Anything out of wack ud notice right away on visual subconscious check. The mind is extraordinary
My Pre-trip consists of a quarter second glance in the side mirror to make sure my trailer is attached and boom im rolling hard down that open highway.
HR just called me about the feeder relief driver position. I'm a package car driver with my own route. I make about 37.94 right now with the new contract. Feeder makes a a couple more cents than us. ( I checked the pay rate) but i heard they get paid per miles they drive. I'm gonna try it out to see how it goes. Some say I'll like it some say I wont. Either way I'm still making that over 100k a year.
We get 20 minutes in the yard. To pre trip, hook up, check freight, look for a pallet jack, and straps. I’d be getting a warning letter if I did all this 😂
Wavy Da Vinci
You must be in LTL Trucking lol..
Daniel P. Edge yup Ups freight
@@wavydavinci7471 I heard you guys are doing great under a new umbrella?
Great video as a guide. I'm currently going through the feeder training. A couple of issues though, when he says 4 way flashers are flashing in sequence, that is incorrect. Sequence means one after the other. Flashers are flashing in unison is the correct term. He also doesn't call out the water pump, alternator, air compressor and steering pump during the engine inspection.
I'm only pointing these things out because they are important.
Did you have to start at the bottom to get the position of Feeder ? I'm currently applying a team sleeper position but I am not a UPS employee
Mon Noir did you get the job? They’re pretty desperate for feeder drivers in SoCal right now
It’s a lot. I’m in training now for this position
@LeedsIsLife unbelievable, if hired in the 70's it used to us 18 years p/t unloading Trailers for a feeder bid.you guys are blessed.
@Karim Thxs for responding... I've been a Ups employee for 7months now and I've been in Sleepers 3 months
Safety tip do not ware your wallet in your back pocket , over time it will cause your hips to become out of alignment
Billy Smith
Many years ago I had a doctor ask me which pocket I carried my wallet in?
I said right rear he said move it your back will stop hurting...
Copy that, stopped doing that a few years back. Thank you
Starting at ups next week. I've been car hauling and running flatbed my entire trucking career, so its good to learn something new
Something tells me Fedex doesn't bother with any of this....
wy wybulldog your dead wrong bud
wy wybulldog thats prolly why they make much less lmaooo
Fed Ex pretrip is a radio check
@RenegadeRox
You should look into driving for Fedex Freight pal ... It's a Great place to work..
Then FedEx here I come because this shit is ridiculous🤣😂
I drove UPS for 39 years. This is how I was trained
So if you have a class A already do you still have to go through this what happens if you don’t pass their pre trip do they give you an extra shot at it also do they give a pre trip sheet to practice with?
@@Alexsmith-hp2mz good question
Relax or you will make a mistake take your time don't rush through it I know you're on a Time sensitive schedule but when it comes to pre-trip that is something that has to be completely focused
What a GREAT training video. This man's awesome and knows his stuff ! Watched the whole video, very, very, informative!
My buddy Mike doing the pretrip!
If I did this I would get a warning letter for taking to long to leave hub.
Your leave time would be too long 🤣
vikings844 facts
lol facts 6 mins is all you get
I typically do this while the trailer is still
Being loaded.
This is why its always better to have your own tractor and be a private contractor
Gotta love this guy I learn alot in feeder I thank him for given me the opportunity to work for UPS 🙂
Legend has it that he crashed the truck after all this.......
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Legend has it he hasn’t left the yard yet lol
lol
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
I could not understand him ,he was talking to fast
superpoop gamer that’s how everyone says it. Once you get used to it you can understand all of it
If it was me I would check my lights, no leaks kick the tires ,check the fuel and be on my way with HOT LOAD before he got to the lug nuts part..
That's the real world for you. This guy is making this for corporate I'm sure no way the real drivers have time for this they get in and head out anything happens along the way they deal with it. Too much bs in this video
@@darkheathen6765 "anything happens along the way they deal with it" so if your brakes don't work you'll figure out on the road, huh?
Real drivers do this during pre trips. It's just taking him longer because he's saying everything out loud.
This is why I respect ups because of their serious detail to safety and the inspections
He better hurry up he has to be off the yard n 17mins ... wait a min this video is longer then 17 mins and he still has to get his load are he still has to get a empty trailer ... this is a perfect pre trip ... whoever sets the schedule need to watch this video say they will kno wtf is a pre trip
Carlos Jimenez ........smfh
Now wonder my packages are always late
He did ok. With a little more time and experience, he'll eventually get it right. 😊
Jesus that's a lot of info to remember
fsharp 1 he making it more complicated than it is
It's all bullshit. Most of the cars on the road are more dangerous than trucks.
It seems like CDL school all over again. I recently got done and it looks like it’s done to make sure their employees drive safely
Just made it to feeders..I've watch this video about 4x to help me pass my pre-trip test
what hub your work for
Any tips for a fellow Upser going into feeders? I'm going to take my permit tests this Wed so I'm praying I pass. 🤞 Any tips and advice would be greatly appreciated!! I'm at the Knox TN HUB.
Truth Seeker 92 I decided to take it Friday that way I have a few more days to study over everything. I will keep you in my prayers about this giant step in your career with UPS. :) When are you all starting feeder school? I do not have any CDL experience or training, so I'm having some anxiety about taking these test. I'm praying I pass all of them the first time around. Let me know how everything goes and I will do the same! Good luck and stay safe dude!!
Hey Truth Seeker 92 I am in the works of becoming a feeder. I have my CDL permit and did my roadtest and just waitning for a class to open up. I have never driven a semi truck before. You think it would be benifitial for me to try and go to a cdl school for 3 weeks and then go to the UPS training class? I want to feel confident behind the wheel and pass so I don't have to wait a year to retry.
I field my application today. If she calls me and tells me a class is open before I am done with the CDL school can I tell the HR lady to schedule me for the next available class? I think my hub has to hire 140 feeder drivers.
WHY AM I WATCHING THIS
Damn it driver. Go Buster Brown!!!!!
This guy is moving way too fast and is so unorganized, jumping from one end of the tractor to the next, Jesus I wonder if he passed his test.......
Actually, he slowed down because he's talking and explaining his procedure to the camera. Usually those inspections go quick. It does look unorganized but there's a method to the madness. For years UPS has been refining their inspection protocols down to the second so as to avoid wasting time and effort in unnecessary body motions. This guy is making very good coin, and UPS don't want to pay for wasted time and unnecessary extra steps. They want maximum safety and efficiency, in that order.
Just buy A new truck before a trip lol
BrewMonsta 4491541391
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Some new Mack's fail a pretrip
Now thats a very very serious pti.
How could u possibly remember all of this
It’s basically CDL school
Excellent pre trip!
You forgot to check your slack adjusters.
Omg I will have to be at work one hour ahead of time
Lolol
Yea no shit
The best driving job in the industry, safety is their number 1 objective!
they try to fire you starting your day one 🤣🤣🤣
@@MrGene1976 as long as you do what they ask you have nothing to worry about. For what they paid me per hour I'll take all the time they want to pay me.
@@fredhunt2752 do you get salted in the yard ?
@@fredhunt2752 you get paid $23 and they salt you hard 🤣
@@MrGene1976 more like $39 per hour and OT after 8 hrs and that was 7 years ago when I retired. So maybe you don't know what the f**k you are talking about or maybe you couldn't get a driving job with UPS cause you SUCK as a driver!!
You didn’t check the belts, fan, radiator, coolant, air compressor, power steering pump, and the list goes on.
D_O 797 he did ....
He was just so fast you didn’t see lol
In real life this takes a minute lol
If the key turns and the wheels turn it's good to go lol
Is this guy working at an auction?
I am starting with UPS Special Services Tomorrow... yaay
What is special services?
Holy, and Im going feeders next week
I luv Ups go brown
You just drove it yesterday! How much has changed in one day?
Mayday! Mayday! We are coming in hard and fast!!!
He got 🔥 later for stealing company hours lol
King Reef how u know
Guy was out of breath just talking.. lol
It's like watching a bad comedy.
the company just worry about yard time that's why you are running all the time
In the video the driver side door was opened and closed three times before the driver side mirror housing, glass, and bracket were even checked. Had any of these items been in unsatisfactory condition or defective, when he shut the door he could have been seriously injured by a defective mirror part.
I wonder how long it would take me to. remember this watching it everyday
How long did it take him to memorize all this? Longer than 5 days I bet.
Absolutely, went through an intense train the trainer class
I always wondered what happen to the guy from the micro machines commercials.
Hello, do new tractor trailer drivers there get health benefits on day one?
no
he talk breathless , im lost haha
Then proceeds to follow at less than a second exceeding posted speed limits in excess of 15 mph over.
Dude it's break time lol. . .
This guy going to pass out.
Good lord brother take a breath. Im hyperventilating just listening
4/37 i thought it was 4/32 for front and 2/32 for the rest
I'm trying to learn those shift gears from memory
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17 minute pre trip? I've driven for swift for 17 years over 3.1 million miles and haven't once done a pre trip!!! Does it go forwarded, stop and reverse? Then it's good to go!! You UPS drivers are sooo full of your selves!! You probably keep only one log book too don't you?!?
Instant fail for using heel to check air pressure. A thumper has been required well before this video. DVIR is electronic now. Tap those brake chambers. Horn "audible" & reliable. Pressure hold test engine off no drop over 3 psi for one minute. Brake pedal pressure hold test should be engine off hold one minute. Air lines have to be charged to find a bubble. Slow down dude!
This man out of breath
R u driver or inspector?
I'm in school to get my CDL and want to get a feeder position. Is there orientation ? If so, is it at a certain location?
Busted! You left a jacket in your truck! Passenger side on top of triangles! Audit item.... UPSF HST P.C.
Imagine doing all that on test day and the examiner fails for failing to name a part....lol
This is what D.O.T. wants but companies just want you keep on moving oil spills, lights and tires go...lol
Does ups make you double clutch or can you single clutch?
John CG double
Double clutch
8:42 So those trucks came from the factory with a brake dust cover which prevents the driver and/or DOT inspector from checking brake shoe for wear, cracks or oil contamination, which begs the question: Does UPS have some type of exemption as far as being able to pass inspection without a visual check on brake linings? or better yet, are UPS trucks self-certified and exempt from Scale Inspections because of their high level of maintenance and driver training? In my 22 years driving I can't recall ever noticing a UPS feeder truck at a DOT inspection bay.
818116A
I'm with you brother I've been trucking 34 years and I've never seen a Buster Brown getting a DOT inspection...
I've had them driving for Southeastern Freight Lines and AAA Cooper Transportation
but I've never seen a Buster Brown driver getting a DOT inspection?
I wondered about that for a long time because UPS takes someone that is a package Slinger out of the warehouse and makes them a truck driver in 2 weeks but...
I don't see it..
It takes more than two weeks to be a trucker or truck driver...
The fools can't even
back-up it's unreal how many dumbasses UPS puts on the road when there are thousands of professional drivers that would gladly put on a brown uniform and drive for them...
Even though I work for UPS I still don't get it we could have five hundred professional drivers but instead we've got dumbasses AKA package slingers being trained two weeks and then put in a damn 70,000 pound vehicle...
I don't want my family on the road with anyone in a brown tractor trailer or tractor and a set of joints because you can't tell the difference between the professional truck driver and a dumbass package slanger with two weeks training....
Im going in on wednesday for feeder, its been a while for a indepth pti
I'm planning on going into feeder soon
Where PPE safety gloves when doing pre-trip? Safety first.
Ups you need to provide your CDL drivers with full PPE protection, not just a vest, but protection eye wear of clear and shaded Safety first. As CDL driver why the shorts and not pants, don't you have check under the trailers. CDL drivers read over and know your OSHA rights.
make shure dog has food and water and clean shit off hood lol
Ill work at MCDONALDS instead clocking in takes a second
Ridiculous!!
My job wants us drivers to pre trip and connect in 15 minutes!
It’s faster if you don’t have to speak what you’re doing. You already know what you’re looking at and what you’re inspecting for
I was told this preteip should only take 7-9 minutes 🙄
you have to go through that process even if you had already a CDL class A?
Adam Fierro yes you do. It's the ups way.
HeinSenBerg 130...are you forreal....omg
@@daylinjoesph what if you are a experienced over the road driver?
@@hobbs230 u start from bottom up. Experience or not. Ups will train u.
@@daylinjoesph im talking about experienced OVER THE ROAD, not feeder trucks
I was going to say that it looks like Baldwin park hub and turns out it is
Sir can I borrow your brain for my pre-trip?
Worked at uos worse job I ever had,thy treat there package handlers like trash and worked you like a slave
And when did you say we were gonna deliver some actual goods???
And then again... By reading through the comments you discover, that there is an actual EXAM to become a feeder driver...
I mean, come on - I am a truckdriver myself, having app. 25 stops a day on a roundtrip that's app. 500 km long - and I have never had any exam besides my drivers license...
Now, correct me if I'm wrong - but feeder-driving is, as far as I know, driving between two hubs. In Scandinavia, we consider that the easiest kind of trucking - something you typically let the newbies do, until they learn to handle the vehicle...
How on earth can that be something that requires an exam - get in the truck, take your trailer, get the papers, drive.
Why make it so complicated?
UPS is the best of the best. They have an amazing safety record, and their pay/benefits package is off the charts. In return, they want you to be amazing.
That's why we are the best,safest, and correctly trained trucking company in the country and world. #ProudToBeAUPSerAndUnionMember
QP300 That's why UPS is the best of the best son. They demand the best drivers because they are the best pay and benefits in trucking. Another thing. It takes years to become a UPS feeder driver. You start out loading trucks part time and after that if you have enough seniority you sign a bid for full time package driver. After a few years of that you might get lucky enough to win a feeder bid. You don't just apply for a feeder job it takes years to attain.
vikings844 I have six months till I can drive. I load theses trucks full time right now.
@@vikings844 wrong, if a hub needs feeders. They will hire people right off the street. Dont need to go thru package handling, or delivery driver. It depends on city and state.
Uuuuh I failed 😅 brain freeze
Is this a race? My goodness way to fast!
Dude WTF. My preinspection is way different
Say “clear”when closing the hood.
rzorNvme “clear prop!”
At 8:57 He said 4/32 tire thread depth but earlier he said 2/32 tire thread depth. This detailed of a pretrip is fucking ridiculous. Dot doesn't even make you recite that many items.
I had to mute it......
I hope he's not my trainer if so imo get in the truck n not say anything hopefully he wont be talking.
Feeder driver you need to slow down or you will make mistakes that you won't even know of because you're rushing through it time sensitive or not pre-trip inspections are extremely important those who Rush do things twice
Way too much caffeine
I'm now going to get a drink of water, mouth is dry as fuck
Are the trucks automatic?
Im going to have my test next week but you talk too fast lol
Too much bullshit they should hire truck checkers to see if everything is up too par get some of those slave minion package handlers to do it at the least. The driver should just get in and go.