Were they REALLY That Good?
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2024
- A look at the Big 3 Celtics of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen... Was this team as good as they believed they were??
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I have a love/hate (mostly hate) relationship with this team. Man, did they make me nervous as a Lakers fan.
Were the 2008 Celtics a Top 10 team in NBA History??
NOTE for the longtime viewers: If this sounds familiar, this is an updated version of a video I posted a couple years ago. I really liked the script, and I wanted my editor to polish up my janky editing. I think he did a really good job, and even added some insightful stats. Hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did.
do you have another favorite team besides the lakers?
@qzurx Not really. If I had to pick one, it would probably be the Nuggets, probably because my wife's favorite player is Nikola Jokić. She loves how introverted he is sometimes, and how obsessed he is with his horses. Very relatable for her. lol.
You're not a top 10 team if you get taken 7 games twice in the playoffs, especially anywhere in the first 2 rounds 🤣
@@jonnyarnettCan you make a video on how underrated Bob Pettit is I think he is top 20, people disrespect him for playing in a pre merger league, & don’t actually speak about his game, let me know if it’s a good idea or not
Niggas remember bro.... they were great that 1 year they won the title. Other than that, they were just ok. Ray Allen left for a reason😂
You know, that's the thing i love about this channel, Jonny loves basketball talks about it, he is not a casual, biased or oldhead fan. The things about KG and Perkins injuries are true, also you can take in count how bad Doc was that game 7, he let the Lakers cameback because he didnt make some defensive adjuments those last 5 minutes in the 4rth, lol. They could be proud of what they did, but they cannot be mad if casual people call it delusion, they wont see how you win or lose a championship, they just care about the ring and that's all. But, let's not forget Doc Rivers is not a top 15 coach of all time.
But he is an oldhead and biased lol I already knew what his take would be before even watching.
@@GarlicOasisor, he understands how to respect basketball opinions? He never said people were wrong with calling that Big 3 deluded, he just subjectively disagreed with it
I remember reading an article mid-season after their win, and one of the big three was quoted in saying something like, "If We don't win another championship, no one is going to remember us as a great Celtic team." I think this is why they talk so much now, because they were really great and they want to make sure people don't forget about them.
Who said that if u remember? Was it ray kg or pierce? Sounds like something kg or paul would say. Ion think ray was really that invested
@@akeembrown7661 honestly, it was 15 years ago, all I remember is the quote and reading it from a Sports Illustrated. Sorry.
It sounds like Pierce but i'm just guessing so i don't know who said it
@@GarkKahn Thats what im thinking he seemed like he really cared abt celtics legacy (for obvious reasons) more than the others. I remember when he was crying when he passed larry bird 😂
@@akeembrown7661to be fair who can blame him, the guy was carrying mediocre Celtics teams for nearly all of his prime, then when he finally got that ring he never left that pedestal
They were so good. If KG was healthy in 09' they could've repeated. Rondo really blossomed in the series vs. Chicago that year.
The FIRST BIG 3 of the modern era.
The lost proper one as well.
After them, stars joined together in their prime to topple the league.
These fellas stuck it out as the GUY on their respective franchises until it was no longer acceptable. Respect.
There was kind of an attempt with 2004 Lakers. People blamed Kobe and Shaq's feud for why they lost but Malone and Payton being old has more to do with it.
The Celtics got Garnett and Allen at the right time, a little later they could have end up like the 2004 Lakers.
@@iamhungey12345 Lakers had little depth and the depth they had got railed by injuries. Karl Malone was on one leg, Horace Grant injured and didn't play at all so Slava Mvedevenko a third stringer played heavy minutes, Rick Fox barely played like only 30 minutes total in the Finals and Payton who struggled in the Triangle the whole season and Fisher both played terribly against the Pistons, single digits in points in the 30s percentage wise from the field from everyone not named Kobe or Shaq.
When Malone was healthy, and the dude was like LeBron when it came to durability prior to the 04 season, the Lakers ran through the league despite the poor chemistry, locker room problems and Kobe's court case.
I mean the 2000 lakers with rice shaq were a big 3 kinda....manu parker duncan by 2007 were as well...wade o'neal walker was a big 3....
The Rockets tried a big 3 concept way back in 1997, but they were about 2 or 3 years too late, as Olajuwon, Drexler and Barkley were all on the downside of the career. It would have been amazing if they teamed up in 1992, 1993, 1994 or even 1995. By 1996-1998, just too late.
2008 celtics teamed up 4 year earlier; they would have been a potential dynasty
the lakers & celtics were a true rivialy that wish extend for more years
doc rivers is the only flaw with the 2008 celtics
they could have injury problems back then too. IT wasn't age that prevented a dynast. It was bad luck.
Exactly I always knew that if they formed the big 3 years earlier they would've been a dynasty.
I agree, they got Allen and KG were both like 30 years old
like a imagine it was the Spurs, the Lakers and the Celtics fighting for championships. I think the league ratings would’ve been probably better too.
Great video I have so much to say and you made some excellent points, this was my favourite era in the NBA! Perfect and balanced play, spacing was perfect, 3's attemted was perfect I just loved that era so much. Also I loved that celtics team upto 2012 more than I have any team ever, dynasty or not they are certainly ICONIC
They were a great team, but no way a dynasty. The Bird’s Celtics yes, Russell’s Celtics HELL YES!
They definitely weren't one but I do think they had the potential to be one
Can you really bc a dynasty never repeating? But ig they did win 3 in 6 years so that counts too
@@Kalinbuggs Yes, back to back is nice to do but not a requirement for labeling a team a dynasty. The Spurs are a perfect example of that.
if only they got together earlier and not at the end@@MistaP13
If it werent for injuries..2008-2010 shouldve been Lakers v Celtics in finals 3 years in a row easily
Even with injuries, it really should have been la vs bos 3 years in a row. They were supposed to be that good, but apparently not
I find it funny that the only Celtic from that team that doesn't runs his mouth about it is Ray Allen, and he's hated by the other Celtics
Allen and the other 2 settled their beef
This team is one of the craziest teams of all time. So good Jonny didn't half to mention rajon rondo.
I said they were gonna get a chip as soon as kg got there. We all did
Yes, I agree that without the Garnett injury in 2009 and the Perkins injury in game 6 in 2010 they *could* have threepeated. But it’s not like the Lakers were completely healthy in all those three seasons, is it. In 2008, the Lakers lost Bynum before the playoffs. Maybe he could’ve been the X factor to match the Celtics’ physicality and that way maybe the Lakers three peat. Also in 2010, Kobe was playing with a broken finger on his shooting hand and if I’m correct a second injury on his ankle that forced him to have injections before each game. If Kobe is healthy maybe he’s more efficient from the field and Perkins’ injury doesn’t even matter. See there’s many reasonable ifs we can take into account. All that being said, I do agree that this Celtics team was exceptional.
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I appreciate it man! As long as some people enjoy it, that’s enough for me :)
I like this take. A lot. Acknowledges that they were unable to achieve “greatness” but clarifies their potential as a truly great team.
Plus, I think it’s is a historic demonstration of complimentary basketball.
Doc Rivers was 90% to blame why this team fell off.
It's crazy how much his reputation has declined since this team. I think he was prematurely given a lot of credit for the leadership that actually came from KG. He was kind of the player-coach of that squad.
@@jonnyarnett His reputation didnt declined. If anything, 2008 made him seem like a legendary coach when in reality he is a mediocre coach
@@Soldier979 I agree, 2008 made him so overrated that even after 16 years he got Bucks with Giannis and Dame. He doesnt deserve it and most likely will blow it.
@@cezaryadamski8786 and the fact that the Bucks are losing games now 😂
Do you recall the Lakers were missing Bynum and Ariza for the 2008 Finals due to injuries?
Those 2 players are difference makers in a role playing capacity so an argument could be made the Lakers would have won that ring vs the Celtics.
but injuries are part of the game so I tend not to factor that into revisionist history, like Perk being injured in the 2010 Finals, Kyrie/Love in 2015, KD in 2019, etc.
Exactly! Everyone seems to forget that!
I agree the Lakers were without Byume and Ariza in 08 finals if they were both healthy it would have been a diffrent series people forget before Byume got injury he was avg 17pts 8reb Ariza was the second best defender could have three peat maybe boston wouldent have won a ring
Lol, I didn’t “forget that”, it’s just not totally relevant to my point about the Celtics. Ultimately, 08, 09 and 10 were all potentially effected by injuries. The same way you can’t simply say “a healthy lakers team was better in 2010”, you can’t say “a healthy Celtics team was better in 2008”, because the unfortunate truth is, we never saw these 2 teams square off in the Finals when they were both completely healthy.
The one thing I will say is ariza played some games and odom gasol was just better than bynum gasol that year
Bynum and Ariza missing in 2008 for the whole series isnt relevant but perkins missing 2 games is, come on 😂 @@jonnyarnett
Great video man, love when you use this audio track for the background of your vids 👍
I don't think they were overrated, but they definitely underachieved..... That group should have at least 2 championships during their run together, although I understand injuries got in their way
This team should be remembered as one of the gratest teams of all time just for the fact that they won with Doc Rivers as their coach XD
7:33, one of the more iconic moments from those celtics teams lol
That Big-Three-Boston Team had the ingredients to become a dynasty, but they were just to old to begin with and ran out of time. This team being assembled 6 or 7 years earlier could be a case for your "what if series".
Yesss
@@apriltiff6452 I would also like to know the impact of such a Big Three in Boston on the Eastern Conference during that time period. If the Boston Big Three had assembled in 2000 or 2001, how would the other eastern teams have reacted ? Would the James / Dwayne due plus another top player have been formed before 2010 ? ^^
This team got me into basketball. They were pretty dang good.
Health was a big factor with that team, and it was kind of obvious that they would have a few short, great years because the main trio was old. But I would have to say that the 08 team was crazy good, and KG is a beast. He is very underrated. I honestly feel that he should be mentioned along with TD as the greatest PF. He gets downplayed because of the lack of championships but KG spent most of his career in a crappy team. KG is what would have happened to Lebron had he stayed in Cleveland all these years and going to Lakers towards the end and winning one championship and because of Lebron Cavs never would have gotten Kyrie. KG is looked down because of the lack of championships won but he was just in a horrible team in a tough conference without much support.
Losing only the FINALS in only game 7 against the Kobe Lakers isn't exactly what would happen to a one hit wonder or a bad team 🤷♂️
Great video, Jonny! I agree that they were a great team and injuries doomed them in 09 and 2010. I don't think they are the greatest but they are among the greats.
Hope you have a great Wednesday 😊
Watched every single game of the playoffs and to have 3 game 7s before reaching the finals was crazy this was one fun team to watch with their defense ! However would have been more dominant if Kevin Garnett didn’t stay away from the low block !
I watched KG most of his career in Minnesota and that always annoyed me. I'd see other stars like MJ, Barkley, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem, etc. going to the basket while Garnett seemed to settle for jumpers too often.
2 not 3...
They were probably the best older super team
Close but I gotta give it to the 72 Lakers
@@nikaoharbour6962 They're the only reason Baylor didn't went ringless.
7:29 PP gonna injure his own player lmfao ray there for the save
People forget that Celtics team started 27-2 the year after winning the title. They weren't on their way to 70 wins before KG's injury but they did look poised to going back to back. Still, they ended up with just won title but hearing them talk, you'd think they won 5 or something.
As far as Kendrick Perkins missing some of the Finals rematch, I don't want to hear that otherwise what about the Lakers being without Bynum in the first Finals matchup?
Garnett gave us more What If-s than anyone else
The Big 3 Celtics are my favorite team, all time. They made me really get into basketball at a time where I stopped watching for a couple years. Ray Allen became my favorite player at the time and I remember the joy of watching them compete. It was so awesome to see.
You need a RUclips Oscar award…consistently producing the best basketball content on RUclips!
Couldn’t agree with you more with this team. I do believe they were “that good” and if they could’ve stayed healthy, they would have been a 3peat team. 3rd worst team in the league became the champions the next season. But unfortunately with only one chip, not a dynasty. I do feel this team gets underrated overall.
As a Lakers and Heat fan, nobody could deflate me more than a timely Paul Pierce three lol
Don't forget how crazy uneven were the conferences back then. Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, Mavs, Suns, Jazz in the West, vs. Celtics, Cavs ang Magic in the East.
In 08 it was more pistons not magic really....but the east was bad in 07 08 and due to injuries to boston in 09...
That 2010 series was one of the best NBA Finals of my lifetime. Perk was never the same after that knee injury.
As a Lakers fan I have not relived that series to this day. 😂😂.. revenge was sweet in 2010 though. Lol
The only thing I've always wondered is why Minnesota or Seattle did not demand Rajon Rondo be included in the trades for Garnett and Allen, respectively. In a way, they were a big 4; this became more true as time passed and Rondo improved in skill while the Big 3 declined in skill.
Without Rondo, they probably win the single ring in 2008.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLLEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Say what you want about them, but that's a GOAT tier quote.
Andrew bynum was also injured for the whole 2008 playoffs so who knows what would happen for the lakers in the 08 final.
He was unreliable that season..this wasn't even 2009 or 2010 bynum let alone 2012 bynum
At the time, everyone knew this was the team to beat. 'Nuff said.
That's not true. At the time it was more of an experiment that most believed would not work. It wasn't until. Maybe December, when they had lost only like 3 games when everyone knew they were a problem
@@Mr.Oct___ Fair enough, though I remember them being overwhelming favorites that postseason.
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This was an extremely memorable team for me too, my earliest basketball memory was watching them vs the Lakers in the finals.
Legends for sure
On paper they were definitely 1 of alltime great teams but only winning 1 title makes them a 1 hit wonder.While I will agree that the injuries are the main reason they only won 1 title they still had other players that should have been able to step up
Thibs doesn’t get enough credit for his tremendous work as defensive assistant in those BOS years.
To this day they are still one of the best defensive teams I've ever seen. Nobody was stopping kobe back then, even wit a broken finger that no one ever talks about. 3 legit players on offense, Rondo doing Rondo things. They were tough.
If this team was assembled 3 years prior to their first championship, yea they had a chance of being all time great team.
They must be considered a success due to the fact they had the ultimate handicap. Doc Rivers.
Hey Jonny, just a hot take to tease each one of us, and just because I'm a Lakers fan, but with Ariza and Bynum in that 08 series, that could have been an upset in favor of the Lakers. The Lakers lacked length and hustle as well on that series, and Bynum and Ariza would have really been cool with that.
I was doubting their 2008 championship (even though yes I know they're the best team that year), because it took them 7 games on the first 2 rounds, and 6 games in ecf and the finals. Lakers on the other hand, swept a 50 win Nuggets team as the 8th seed, demolished the Jazz in 5, and gentleman's swept the defending champion Spurs in 5, so the Lakers actually we're steamrolling at the right time. But again, the pieces that LA lacked, are exactly what Boston had as well.
Honestly, I'm at that "they're a great regular season team, but a standard post season team" ship.
Or maybe, that's because Doc Rivers was their coach. :D
And in 2010 bdw, Kobe had a bone spur and a broken index finger. So we could also look into that factor, because if we had a healthy Kobe in 2010, we might also have a 6 game series instead of going the distance.
I'd be comfortable putting this team at least in the top 15 ever assembled. Their team comp was really excellent
Can't use Perkins missing 2 games as an excuse without bringing up that Bynum missed the ENTIRE finals in 2008
I dont hear alot of people talk about kg midrange game, i remember he was super nice with them
Not as much in Boston
@@razkable yeah but they were alot of big shots in the clutch
They become nauseating when they talk about Lebron constantly like he didn't end their team
My question is if these Celtics were considered a Big 3 or a Big 4
Exactly what I was gonna say.
Definitely a Big 3 when they won the chip. Rondo still wasn't an All-Star level player at that time.
Rondo was a rook but by 2010 it was definitely a 4 head monster
Lol... Rondo is slightly overrated. Great player, but he's never been the guy to put someone over the top
By 2010 they were definitely a big four.
Celtics never lost a playoff series when their main entire starting 5 consisting of the big 3 with Rajon and Perk were fully healthy.
I think the 2008 Celtics are one of the most important and dominant teams in modern NBA history.
So much so that they set the standard and trend of what NBA superstars would do for the next 14-15 years. I legitimately think they are the blueprint that almost all superstars looked at and decided that was how to win championships. You try to team up with the best and get as many superstars stacked on a team as soon as possible.
Unfortunately the players now are joining up in there primes or before they even hit 30
These guys joined up afer 10+ years of playing on bad teams(besides Ray Allen he played on some solid teams)
@@user-lt5dg1ix6u Yeah, players twisted the idea that stacking teams through free agency should be the team. They are robbing the fans the rooted for them for cheap rings. 08 Celtics maybe a superteam but it is one made in the right way.
2011 Mavs vs 08 Celtics
This would make for a good fantasy/sim finals.
2004 Pistons vs 2008 Celtics
@@Soldier979Great Eastern Conference Finals
Celtics in 5 or 6
08 celtics win in 7
The only guy allowed to talk that level of smack from this team is KG. Pierce never did anything without the other stars before or after they joined the team, Ray never needed to talk plus he and Rondo each won after they left Boston. KG was a league mvp prior to joining, then ended up as the biggest reason they won in 08 and remained relevant for several years afterwards.
Great video as always and I really enjoy your content.
I'm starting to get Uncle Rico 1982 vibes from these guys
Or Al Bundy.
Garnetts injury the next season really hurt the team going forward
This era of the Celtics was a great one, but injuries had a major part in derailing them from winning more than 1 championship. But they didn't. They went to 2 NBA finals in 2 seasons winning 1. Which in my opinion does not make you a "1 hit wonder", much like the 04 and 05 Pistons. If you go to 2 finals in a 3 year span including winning one are a great team.
Yeah. The 2006 Heat team and the 2019 Raptors are more of a one-hit wonder than this Celtics
Honestly, every player of their starting five is a top 10 player for each position. They resemble the classic position based traditional basketball team. Their plays start with their choking defense anchored by KG and Rondo. They have the best passer and shooter of that time with one of the best 2 way player like KG and a reliable iso player Pierce. Perkins just doing his things to be the center. Getting rebounds and being a solid man in the middle. KG excels with his quick off ball defense and reading plays ahead of time. One of the best balanced team ever assembled but they're not just the best. If they were all in their prime at the creation of that team, there could be an argument for that.
They were like the Heat of 2006. Best role players came to play on a discount.
This team specifically is why I’m a Boston fan to this day
Pierce pooped his pants. The greatest moment in Finals History
It depends on how far you extend "greatest" but I don't have them in my top 10 playoffs teams of all time. I will take a (way) quieter 2014 Spurs teams clearly above them for example. Then you add the dynasties. The 2023 Nuggets. The 2010 Lakers. And so much more.
Unfortunately people love to throw context out the window unless you’re a certain fanbase.
5:21 think the scores are switched
I’m firing my editor asap. Lol
Consider the impact these three had on the Celts.. going from 24 wins to 56....
Then consider the fact that a rookie Larry Bird took the Celtics from 29 wins to 60 with no other changes to the roster.
They added posey as well as house brown and cassell...plus powe played too
I agree with this for the most part. I wish KG and Perkins didn’t get hurt and 3peated
The team was so good that Doc Rivers is still living off their lone championship...hes destroying Sixers and Bucks from the inside😂
imagine this players togheter when theyre in his 28s, damm no one could beat that team, sadly they became unit at their 31s/32s but they dominating anyway
Hope u have a great day Jonny
You too! I really appreciate you always dropping in :)
Easily one of the greatest teams of all time. To me, they were the blueprint or best example of what you could do with an archetypical type built roster. The pass first pg, the greatest shooting 2 guard of all time, the 2 way scoring sf, the defensive anchor center... some of the most beautiful basketball ever
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Love this team
Assuming they just play the lakers I think they could just three peat. Idk if they beat a healthy Rockets in 08 or the Suns in 10 tho. The Lakers and Celtics were somewhat built to play each other imho.
i watched entire '09 Bulls v Celtics 7 game series as a Bulls fan... going against rookie DRose, Rajon Rondo was awesome... i think Celtics win in '09 easy with Garnett... fax!!!
More than anything this shows how a single championship takes talent and hard work, but to have a dynasty, you definitely need luck/fate on your side.
I would rank the 08 Celtics on the same level as the 04 Pistons.
They are an objectively great team and you can't call them a fluke considering how close they got to winning multiple championships, but just one level below a dynasty because they didn't deliver that 2nd or 3rd championship at the end of the day.
What an amazing hypothetical matchup that would be. Games would be INSANELY low scoring 😂
I was coming here to say exactly the same thing.
@@jonnyarnett We could get a college football game score. 56 - 49 avg lol
2005 Finals was underrated, the Pistons gave the Spurs a run for their money despite dropping the first two games. Too bad for them Horry stole the show in Game 5.
Hell no 04 Pistons would decimate this team
2004 Pistons are more impressive than the 2008 Celtics
Not even close, the 08 Celtics were way better
@@nobodybelievesunderscores4122 04 Pistons beat a super team everyone picked over them
@@nohbuddy1 the 04 Lakers weren’t even that good, the 04 Pistons were way better than them
@@nobodybelievesunderscores4122 The 04 Lakers were heavily favored and still had Shaq and Kobe. Stop acting like this wasn't a massive upset
@@nohbuddy1 the 04 Pistons were way better, it shouldn’t be considered an upset at all
They would have won again in 2009 if Garnett wasn't injured
Not as good as they believe, not even close to "a dinasty", but very, very good.
My buddy is a die hard lakers fan, so for his birthday in August of 2008 I bought him the nba finals box set 😂
U a horrible friend
@@dickhardpicard facts
Hey, is it Ok if I recommend an NBA what if Scenario and you make a video about it? Ok in 1998 was The Last Dance for The Chiago Bulls. Let's say they stayed together a little bit longer how many championships do you think they could have won more? Let's The Bulls stay together from 1999-2003 1999 Lockout, 1999-2000, 2001-2002, 2001-2002, 2002-2003 I predict that many more years long 5 years The Bulls stay. I think you should make a video about that. Hey, I think it's an interesting what if.
The Celtics had the potential to be great, but at least for the 08 championship run, the 10 total games lost was also the most among all championship winners. We never saw the core in the peak of their powers, and thus they shouldn’t be credited for what they didn’t accomplish, which is being a consistently dominant team.
I was a Laker fan back then coz of Kobe. And all I can say is, Boston scared the shit out of me
Celtics weren’t the ONLY team that was hurt. Everyone is hurt.
Just wanna help the video
I was still a Celtic hater at this time, as their 80s afterglow was still strong to me. Plus them beating the living S out of the Lakers to get their ring drove that sting in even worse. And Perkins was out of the Laimbeer Hockey Enforcement Academy. But I knew that they were a strong and solid team. I could appreciate them more then as well, as I was older and not just a blanket Lakers guy.
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I think it's the what ifs is the reason everyone hypes them up. I'm a Celtics fan and i thought this team would win 2-3 more titles after winning that first one but what everyone forgets is that they were old and injuries got them and prevented them from winning another one they weren't like LeBron and the heat who created a big 3 with everyone in their 20s which is why no one likes LeBron because he took the easy way out. But the way this Celtics team dominated in the 07-08 year I would say they're probably the best one hit wonder to ever win just one championship. Like i said it's the what ifs that keep everyone talking if this team could have stayed healthy they would at least have a 2nd championship without a doubt and kobe would only have 4 rings instead of 5.
LeMIABeatdown 😂😂😂😅😅😅 1:15 😊😊
Truly amazing team. They were winning despite having Doc Rivers as coach.
Really w rondo that was a big 4 you had 3 hof players & a all star caliber borderline hof player w Perkins who played his role well them yrs it just all fit
Oh damn I hated so much this team. When it was formed I really thought that they would run the league for 3-5 years with no competition. It was the first superteam in modern NBA, and his legacy is still prevalent today, starting with the Heatles, the Durant GSW, today's Clippers or Suns (and not far away Lakers awful superteam with Westbrook).
I Hope Rondo gets in hall of fame one day 4x All star Assist leader a couple times and steals leader and he has a better resume then a lot that's in the Hall and Sydney moncreff should be there to ok what's your opinion
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IDK if the Lakers had a healthy Andrew Bynum in that 08 series, it goes the other way.
As a Kobe fan, I honestly think this team probably would’ve 3 peated if it weren’t for injuries.