Wow, that trailer is amazing! It checks all the boxes! Yes, towing with a hybrid is absolutely ideal. You get fairly decent mpg’s when you’re towing and when you park your trailer and go exploring then you get amazing mileage with your hybrid tow vehicle! ❤ I sure hope that is your next travel trailer! Both of you had miles of smiles when reviewing it! 🤩🤩
So glad you enjoyed the video tour! Yes, seems perfect for singles or couples like us. We always say that towing with a hybrid is like a superpower. Due to the nature of our job, we do a lot of driving around to explore after dropping our trailer at a campground and, like you mentioned, doubling your gas mileage is a huge advantage! It sounds like you tow with a hybrid as well? What are you driving and towing?
@ it is bad…. It has a ton of built in profit and it’s not that practical for more than 1 normal person. You guys are obviously getting paid to push that crap on people.
I wish it had a bigger refrigerator. That small under counter fridge is only sufficient for _maybe_ a long weekend. I would definitely give up storage for a bigger fridge. I can store a lot in the tow vehicle.
Jess and I had the exact same fridge in our Alto Expedition that we lived out of full-time for the past 14 months straight. We were able to go a week at a time without too much difficulty. Obviously, results may vary depending on the kinds of food that you like to eat, but I would confidently say that you can go longer than a weekend.
Thanks for the video! I'm looking for a trailer to tow with a Tesla Model Y, and this looks like a great option. I love that it can support a full awning. I also like the kitchen layout, which reminds me of the 16' Airstream Basecamp. I'm a big guy at 6'2" so the tiny wet bath is probably my biggest concern. I have few questions: 1. What was the ground clearance like on that trailer? It looks pretty limited in the video. 2. Did the A2124 not also have the same enclosed "second floor" feature? I'm curious to know what difference that might make on aerodynamic drag 3. The fridge looks a bit bigger in this new location, I'm curious how it compares to the 1743? 4. As someone who has spent a lot of time in a small trailer, I'm curious what you think about the trade-off of a bigger kitchen in this model but losing the front dinette space? Is that a big concern or no?
1. This is a complete guess, but I would say the ground clearance is somewhere around 7 in. If you get the caravan mover option, it will likely be the lowest point of the trailer. 2. Yes, the A2124 also has the second floor feature. I have to imagine it offers a significant reduction in drag, similar to the undercarriage tray beneath your Tesla model Y. 3. If you have a chance, check out our review of the Alto Expedition... It is the same fridge that was installed in that model and did a very good job of staying cold. It was pretty efficient for a 12 volt fridge, but we really wish that it could have run on propane as well so we didn't have to use batteries to power it. Truth be told, we are a little bummed to hear that the 1752 won't have a propane fridge option either. But, not everyone is into boondocking like we are, so that might not be a deal breaker for most. 4. We always like to say that "no trailer is one size fits all" and doing away with the front dinette will certainly be an issue for some, depending on how they like to travel. Fortunately for us, we got in the habit of undoing the bed and setting up the dining area every morning for work anyway, so not having the front dinette for sitting at probably won't be a big deal for us. On the other hand, we cook a lot and limited counter space was always a pain point in the other, 17 ft Alto models we've lived in. I (Justin here 👋) would be WAY more excited to have a bigger kitchen than sad to have lost the front dinette. Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks so much for watching!
The solid bottom plate is a big improvement over the fabric tarp some manufacturers use. That said, it looks like the ground clearance is only six inches or so. Is there any option to raise the trailer for better ground clearance?
I believe they use Flexiride Torsion Axles which do offer an adjustable ride height. Unlike traditional leaf springs, torsion axles work by utilizing a rubber torsion arm mechanism, enabling independent wheel suspension.
They should clean up their website and be more clear on the technical specs. The PDF they make you download is missing information on the trailers. I couldn't find a single tongue weight listed.
I love this new design, except for the lack of dedicated bed space. Do you think it’s possible to to place a a queen mattress (60” x 80”) oriented East/West across the back end of the 80” x 80” bed/dinette area full time? This would leave 20” across the front end as a mini dinette seat area, if you will, with a Lagun mount table (with smaller top) that could swing out of the way in order to climb into bed? It’s not a difficult mod, IMO. Thank you for your fun and honest content!
That's an interesting idea. I bet it would be pretty easy to put a two or three inch foam mattress topper in the back. I'm not sure where you would mount the lagoon table though. 🤔 Maybe you could consider getting one or two small stools and eating at the island (where the fridge is)?
@@JustinandJessI was thinking the Lagun leg base plate could bolt to the aluminum frame of the seat base right by the fridge or bathroom with a backing plate spanning the frame behind. Kinda hard to describe and I’d have to see it in person, which I hope to do when the final product is available to see.
$57k and up. Hard pass. 20’ 10-15yr old trailers in great shape run $10-15k. A simple trailer with an open layout will serve you much better. The mpg and weight hit you’ll take will never come close to equaling the ultra fast depreciation travel trailers take.
That's just it though... these Alto trailers do not depreciate like other trailers. We purchased our first Alto used for more than it sold new. Then, 2 years later, we sold it used (to its 3rd owner) for more than we paid. They are built to last and Alto owners know that; that's why some of their models have had a 2+ year waiting list for over 5 years now. Sure, anyone can spend a lot less money on some other trailers, but your going to be spending it later fixing it up. IMO, the modern RV industry is plagued with complacent design issues and it's not uncommon to hear of new trailers breaking almost immediately after rolling off the lot. That's not the case with Altos. Most importantly, the key advantage of this trailer, and the focus of our review, is that its low GVWR won't require some people who want to get into towing to buy a new truck or large SUV which can be WAY more expensive than this trailer is. P.s. don't forget that price is CAD. This trailer is $40K and up (USD)
@ Oh, I’m well aware of the garbage that comes out of Indiana. You need to be able, physically and competently, to work and maintain the trailer itself. These things need constant and methodical inspections and maintenance. Every trailer needs this from Airstreams to Jaycos, Scamps, Tiffins, even yours. I hear you on the weight. But with its small size, you’ve got a lot of things crammed into a small space and you’re constantly climbing over your partner to move around. Here’s another drawback, changing the bed to a couch and back every day. Another, the lack of a real mattress. I can’t speak for everyone, but long gone are the days where I can move after a night on cushions. My 10’ squaredrop cost me $3750 to build from the ground up, then I put a $1000 mattress in it. Because you will enjoy your camping trip infinitely more when you sleep great every night. The aero is great. More trailers need this. But if you’re buying this trailer at $60k, you shouldn’t have financial worries about what you drive. You never finance toys, which travel trailers are. Getting too bound up in debt will greatly limit your ability to use your toys.
Pretty cool but I think without the same back end as the A2124 this one will not have better efficiency… squared off back end will induce a lot of turbulence. Have they said how it compares?
Ah that’s great! I’ve been looking at ways to improve aero on my 20’ AS. Removing stuff from the roof and some additional underbelly stuff might be the ticket.
Very cool. I’ve been watching Safari Condo for a few years now and this is very interesting!!!
Thanks for watching! We are huge fans of this company!
Can't wait to see your next Safari Condo trailer.
Haha, us too! 😄
At the bleeding edge of trailer tech!
Wow, that trailer is amazing! It checks all the boxes! Yes, towing with a hybrid is absolutely ideal. You get fairly decent mpg’s when you’re towing and when you park your trailer and go exploring then you get amazing mileage with your hybrid tow vehicle! ❤ I sure hope that is your next travel trailer! Both of you had miles of smiles when reviewing it! 🤩🤩
So glad you enjoyed the video tour! Yes, seems perfect for singles or couples like us.
We always say that towing with a hybrid is like a superpower. Due to the nature of our job, we do a lot of driving around to explore after dropping our trailer at a campground and, like you mentioned, doubling your gas mileage is a huge advantage!
It sounds like you tow with a hybrid as well? What are you driving and towing?
Nice walkthrough and info, well done, J&J!
Thanks for watching, we had fun making it!
If it was half the price it would make sense. That’s absolutely insane.
I don't think it's insane. These trailers are over-engineered and built to last. 40K starting price is not bad for something with this build quality.
@ it is bad…. It has a ton of built in profit and it’s not that practical for more than 1 normal person. You guys are obviously getting paid to push that crap on people.
I wish it had a bigger refrigerator. That small under counter fridge is only sufficient for _maybe_ a long weekend.
I would definitely give up storage for a bigger fridge. I can store a lot in the tow vehicle.
Jess and I had the exact same fridge in our Alto Expedition that we lived out of full-time for the past 14 months straight. We were able to go a week at a time without too much difficulty. Obviously, results may vary depending on the kinds of food that you like to eat, but I would confidently say that you can go longer than a weekend.
Thanks for the video! I'm looking for a trailer to tow with a Tesla Model Y, and this looks like a great option. I love that it can support a full awning. I also like the kitchen layout, which reminds me of the 16' Airstream Basecamp. I'm a big guy at 6'2" so the tiny wet bath is probably my biggest concern.
I have few questions:
1. What was the ground clearance like on that trailer? It looks pretty limited in the video.
2. Did the A2124 not also have the same enclosed "second floor" feature? I'm curious to know what difference that might make on aerodynamic drag
3. The fridge looks a bit bigger in this new location, I'm curious how it compares to the 1743?
4. As someone who has spent a lot of time in a small trailer, I'm curious what you think about the trade-off of a bigger kitchen in this model but losing the front dinette space? Is that a big concern or no?
1. This is a complete guess, but I would say the ground clearance is somewhere around 7 in. If you get the caravan mover option, it will likely be the lowest point of the trailer.
2. Yes, the A2124 also has the second floor feature. I have to imagine it offers a significant reduction in drag, similar to the undercarriage tray beneath your Tesla model Y.
3. If you have a chance, check out our review of the Alto Expedition... It is the same fridge that was installed in that model and did a very good job of staying cold. It was pretty efficient for a 12 volt fridge, but we really wish that it could have run on propane as well so we didn't have to use batteries to power it. Truth be told, we are a little bummed to hear that the 1752 won't have a propane fridge option either. But, not everyone is into boondocking like we are, so that might not be a deal breaker for most.
4. We always like to say that "no trailer is one size fits all" and doing away with the front dinette will certainly be an issue for some, depending on how they like to travel. Fortunately for us, we got in the habit of undoing the bed and setting up the dining area every morning for work anyway, so not having the front dinette for sitting at probably won't be a big deal for us. On the other hand, we cook a lot and limited counter space was always a pain point in the other, 17 ft Alto models we've lived in. I (Justin here 👋) would be WAY more excited to have a bigger kitchen than sad to have lost the front dinette.
Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks so much for watching!
The solid bottom plate is a big improvement over the fabric tarp some manufacturers use. That said, it looks like the ground clearance is only six inches or so. Is there any option to raise the trailer for better ground clearance?
I believe they use Flexiride Torsion Axles which do offer an adjustable ride height. Unlike traditional leaf springs, torsion axles work by utilizing a rubber torsion arm mechanism, enabling independent wheel suspension.
They should clean up their website and be more clear on the technical specs. The PDF they make you download is missing information on the trailers. I couldn't find a single tongue weight listed.
I love this new design, except for the lack of dedicated bed space. Do you think it’s possible to to place a a queen mattress (60” x 80”) oriented East/West across the back end of the 80” x 80” bed/dinette area full time? This would leave 20” across the front end as a mini dinette seat area, if you will, with a Lagun mount table (with smaller top) that could swing out of the way in order to climb into bed? It’s not a difficult mod, IMO. Thank you for your fun and honest content!
That's an interesting idea. I bet it would be pretty easy to put a two or three inch foam mattress topper in the back. I'm not sure where you would mount the lagoon table though. 🤔 Maybe you could consider getting one or two small stools and eating at the island (where the fridge is)?
@@JustinandJessI was thinking the Lagun leg base plate could bolt to the aluminum frame of the seat base right by the fridge or bathroom with a backing plate spanning the frame behind. Kinda hard to describe and I’d have to see it in person, which I hope to do when the final product is available to see.
I’m curious what the R values are for their walls compared to Azdel walls.
Per the manufacturer, it's between R3 and R4
@ - That’s actually not that bad! LOL!
The prices will come down with volume sold.
$57k and up. Hard pass. 20’ 10-15yr old trailers in great shape run $10-15k. A simple trailer with an open layout will serve you much better. The mpg and weight hit you’ll take will never come close to equaling the ultra fast depreciation travel trailers take.
That's just it though... these Alto trailers do not depreciate like other trailers. We purchased our first Alto used for more than it sold new. Then, 2 years later, we sold it used (to its 3rd owner) for more than we paid. They are built to last and Alto owners know that; that's why some of their models have had a 2+ year waiting list for over 5 years now.
Sure, anyone can spend a lot less money on some other trailers, but your going to be spending it later fixing it up. IMO, the modern RV industry is plagued with complacent design issues and it's not uncommon to hear of new trailers breaking almost immediately after rolling off the lot. That's not the case with Altos.
Most importantly, the key advantage of this trailer, and the focus of our review, is that its low GVWR won't require some people who want to get into towing to buy a new truck or large SUV which can be WAY more expensive than this trailer is.
P.s. don't forget that price is CAD. This trailer is $40K and up (USD)
@ Oh, I’m well aware of the garbage that comes out of Indiana. You need to be able, physically and competently, to work and maintain the trailer itself. These things need constant and methodical inspections and maintenance. Every trailer needs this from Airstreams to Jaycos, Scamps, Tiffins, even yours.
I hear you on the weight. But with its small size, you’ve got a lot of things crammed into a small space and you’re constantly climbing over your partner to move around. Here’s another drawback, changing the bed to a couch and back every day. Another, the lack of a real mattress. I can’t speak for everyone, but long gone are the days where I can move after a night on cushions. My 10’ squaredrop cost me $3750 to build from the ground up, then I put a $1000 mattress in it. Because you will enjoy your camping trip infinitely more when you sleep great every night.
The aero is great. More trailers need this. But if you’re buying this trailer at $60k, you shouldn’t have financial worries about what you drive. You never finance toys, which travel trailers are. Getting too bound up in debt will greatly limit your ability to use your toys.
Keep in mind too that almost every line has a roughly 30% playroom on the price.
Pretty cool but I think without the same back end as the A2124 this one will not have better efficiency… squared off back end will induce a lot of turbulence. Have they said how it compares?
From what I can remember, they did the same virtual wind tunnel simulations for both trailers and the 1752 had improved aerodynamics.
Ah that’s great! I’ve been looking at ways to improve aero on my 20’ AS. Removing stuff from the roof and some additional underbelly stuff might be the ticket.