THE ISLE: These MUTATIONS are not HEALTHY for the game
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- A small video to highlight some of the biggest issues with the current mutations that are in the game and some suggestions to how they could be changed.
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For the first one, I saw that they mentioned that the value for the mutations are really high right now on purpose and is subject to change as this is not the full mutation system
That may be so, but the max value shouldn't even be anywhere near what it is right now, that's the problem as well.
@@Jay-Ce it's just the max value that the devs can set it at, not the max value you'd see in a balanced version
@@1tinydinosaur510 I know. Again, I said, I don't think the numbers we have right now should even be the max.
@@Jay-Ce Okay then I don't understand why you care about the max value on the dev's slider? At what point does that max value matter, other than right now when everything is at max? We all know they will tune things down, and we'll probably never see these mutations turned up this high again.
So if devs turn some mutations to 50% of the max value and turn other mutations down to 2% of the max value, why does the max value matter to us players, as long as things are tuned correctly?
@@1tinydinosaur510 If the max value was the max the devs can set it to, it would heal you for 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% of your health with a single bite. But as with all the troublesome mutations like this your argument does not matter at all because in the end you and the devs are faced with a simple logic fail of:
1. The mutation will be OP if its worth picking.
2. The mutation will be a waste of space if it is not worth picking.
There is no secret 3rd option of "perk is perfectly balanced so that it is both worth picking and giving the desired effect and thus be worth the mutation slot while also being weak enough that other non-combat affecting mutations are still valid options". So sadly no matter which of the two end results we get none of them are good for the game.
This simple logic holds true for ALL the mutations that affects combat, nerf them enough to the point where they do not hit that magical threshold of being 'worth' picking and they are useless but if you allow them to hit that threshold of actually making a difference then they are too good because now everyone has to use some combination of these "makes a difference in combat" mutations or they basically lose by default in any fight against someone using "the meta".
2:13
Gastronomic regeneration on cerato is by far the most OP application of this mutation. While other dinosaurs have limits on how much they can eat without vomiting, ceras can eat as much as they want AND go over the limit. In fact even if your hunger is full and you overeat on cera, you’ll still heal. I can imagine the same is for Deino.
I like the cannibalistic mutations however, under no circumstance should herbivores have the option to do more damage to others of the same kind.
You forgot the cannibalistic mutation. In horde testing after this secret mutation was found, every Omniraptor I came across had it and killed me when I was less than 20% grown then they ate me.
fucking cryy its a horror survival game
The canni mutation is literally screaming and begging for toxicity to increase across the board.
What makes mutations worse is they can be inherited so you have a higher potential of op pack/herd of dinos then before mutations were a thing
just nest urself in, with a friend helping u grow, then u can take nest ur friend in, ul be running good builds (only do this tho if u can consistently survive hours upon hours)
@@Nickboay Not all casual players have as easy of an time growing as a RUclips yk
Theres nothing 'worse' about it... I found the lamest lzsers on the internet apparently....
Literally none of these perks are a problem, but all of you are going to keep whinning about it cause all you can think about is pvp, until all the perks are so lame and useless you dont even have options, you have a few choices you HAVE to pick, and thats all you can pick.... thats whats necessary for you crybabies to be happy with it.
What absolute m ron lzers
@@Nickboay How many raptors died earlier today? I saw cause I was there. 20? 40? Cmon man, none of these is overtuned. Just because you LITERALLY no-life raptor more than pretty much everyone who plays the game(again, literally) doesnt make these things actually that broken.... If the minimum skill level to abuse intentionally overtuned stuff is "literally better than everyone else".... no, its not a problem....
Although people like you with your loud mouth and crying attitude sure will create a push to influence the game and cause good things to get messed up for what?
Appealing to the 1% of people who have played raptors WAYYYYY more than anyone should over literally EVERYONE else?
People who only see this game as a dino pvp sim?
One neat idea for the bleeding targets one. Is instead of gaining damage for biting bleeding targets, let the target resist damage the lower its bloodpool is. So a mutation used for yourself. “The lower your bloodpool, the better resistance against damage you receive”
I like the bleed one. So I think it should stay. Didn't see it break the game yet so yeah
The gastro regen makes solo croc way more viable. Often times youd die to a cannibal after JUST defending yourself from a cannibal. Its probably 40% of my deaths on the big gator. Being able to heal way better after a fight is still a huge game changer.
In order to balance it mutations need to have pros and cons not just pros for every one. Like in shooters certain attachments give your weapon huge advantages in a certain playstyle but not so good in another. It doesn’t make the weapon unplayable but it tailors it to your playstyle. That way it’s a trade off. You have to give up something in order to get something. Like I would say it’s not that bad it’s the first iteration and of course there were gonna be these issues. Lifestyle mutations can have nothing but pros but perks that effect pvp need to have trade offs.
Devs have said all the mutations are at max values right now, so taking current values as the norm is not recommended
Brother these mutations even if tone down are still gonna be the new meta either way and the same issue is still gonna be present! its still worth talking about cause it is the current norm and needs to be changed before it becomes the main branch norm
@@No_name8374 even the main branch is still just alpha, and the devs can always remove it if it causes problems
@@1tinydinosaur510 they can but they usually don’t :/ Once it hits the main branch we’re all stuck with it until the devs fix it which may take who knows how long xd
I wish they wern't combat focuse, i rather have genetics only to help you survive better
@@Some1-2 Well your a lzr
I can see your points on the first two mutations but the +5% speed increase just seems like whinging. You're basically arguing that every animal of that species have the exact same movement speed because it's not fair for it's predators/prey. Speed, strength, agility, durability are the exact type of mutations I would come to expect in an animal survival game. There's a reason why they call it survival of the fittest. If I want to make my dinosaur incredibly hardy/durable and excellent at evading others why is that some kind of unfair advantage? After all, I'm selecting these traits over others in the list. Same goes for making a more effective predator that bites harder, ambushes quicker and has higher stamina when fighting.
Your arguments against gastronomic regeneration and tactile endurance are pretty spot on though. Especially for species that don't have to worry about overeating like the Cerato and Deino. The flat amount that it heals you sounds more like a bug though and I'm sure it'll be resolved or if it's not a bug, it'll probably be adjusted for dino size/species. Tactile endurance on it's own doesn't sound that bad but I can see problems start popping up when it's paired with certain other mutations like you mentioned (the bleed resist for example).
Really all of them are like this.... The devs literally explained everything is ovrpowered for testing purposes right now...
All this is is crybabies who either have no skill and find extra power on anyone scary, or are very skilled and dont want things that help even the battlefield or catch them by surprise.....
All cause they refuse to see this game as anything but a pvp sim
20% stam regain from a tail bite is insane. I thought it would give you the amount of stam as you lose health percentage-wise at best. I still like your solution better where the regen would increase for a certain period of time and same for eating mutation.
For the speed mutation it could be interesting if you would lose 5% of your max weight (hp) to gain 5% in speed so it would be more of a trade off than a must have. Although then there couldn't be two separate mutations for day and night. Ofc it could be other way around as well, 5% more weight for -5% speed.
Feel like I heard something about the values for the mutations are increased just for the horde test and will be lowered later.
100% agree with the first 2, any direct recovery mutation for important resources like
Stamina
Healthpool
Bloodpool
breaks the game instantly.
I think the speed mutation is alright, you are correct, but nesting solves the issue, u do have to grow twice and nest urself in but u can go 6 mutations quite cheap and fast.
Good video and yes, healing should turn into a improved heal rate , and idem ditto for the stam one, they could even make it that u dont have to be hit, but that u just have a good regen
(And make it available to carnivores aswell if they do, id love to run it if it gives better regen)
(Numbers rlly need to be minimal i think tho)
And yes i am also essentially immortal as a Raptor , and if i dont like how things go i can mach 5 out of there, find food, heal. Busted asf xD
Nah the speed perk needs to go
@@Eren-cm5pc You guys are all MASSIVE over exaggerating crybabies..... None of break literally anything.
You guys are fing ridiculous. I hate all of you and I understand why Dondi says he does.
What crybaby weirdo losers who dont even understand.... THIS IS A SURVIVAL GAME, NOT A PVP GAME.... IF YOU FIND YOURSELF FIGHTING SOMETHING 'bRoKeN" you made a bad decision....
IN NATURE NOTHING IS EVEN OR FAIR.
THIS ISNT A PVP GAME, ITS A SURVIVAL GAME WITH PVP ELEMENTS
YOU ALL SUCK, YOUR WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS, AND I HATE EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR IT
Terrible take in every way. The diet ALREADY AFFECTS health and stam.... What a cry baby exaggerator
I got to say, coming into this video I thought you were going to just say the perks that counter your specific main were bad. The ones you chose and how you explained it all makes sense. Well done and I now agree with you.
4:14 An option could be that instead of it being by hit you get, it would be by percentage something like every 15% of life you lose you regenerate 5% of stamina without counting life lost due to bleeding and lack of food and falling, and it doesn't work when you swim to avoid the problem with the deinos
9:31 One option It will be that above 5% speed it will give you 8% more stamina spent while running and 3% extra stamina regeneration when and only when you rest for more than 30 seconds
Surely they can still keep up with you but they will get tired before you and they will be defenseless for it BUT it still serves to move around the map faster due to the extra stamina regeneration when resting for long periods of time (that way it is more difficult to use in combat)
Yo, mutations already here? Cool, this'll be my seasonal isle news vid. Is dibble out yet? Last I was here we needed more herbi species badly. Anything else happened since stam change was partially backpeddled?
Dibble has been released! But only in hordetesting, same with mutations. Also, the stam change were exaggerated at the start, it’s been relatively balanced since then
@@foreverbeep1339 Cool! I remember thinking that dibble would come around easter 😅 Still can't understand how difficult it is to add new features and mechanics. Notch added an admittedly basic but still entire new plain of existence to minecraft in like a month, including time spent having an IRL job.
What are the new stats for stamina? Last time I saw it was segmented into 4, where having top 25% stamina meant you could trot to lose none while moving though I'm not sure if it was fans complaining or what but I swear there was something about trotting regenning stam.
Sorry about responding 3h late, was visiting a mate at a hospital on the other side of the metro and I didn't bring my phone
They should change the hp regen one when eating to: when above 75% hunger you’re health regen rate while rested is increased by 5x
Gastronomic Regeneration: After eating nutrient rich food, Ups heal rate over time for a short time
Tactile Endurance (Renamed to Adrenaline Rush): After taking substantial damage, you get a faster stamina regen (not instant stamina)
Speed: .... I'm not sure either tbh
I mean u could have Adrenaline Rush be a temporary speed boost instead of stamina regeneration 🤷♀️
In my opinion all combat effecting mutations should either be removed or only be for certain species. Interspecies aggression is another mutation that is a big problem rn and its on almost (or js is) EVERY creature?? Which js encourages cannibalism in species that aren't even cannibals which is js dumb. and its awful that due to all the canni dibbles running around in the horde test u HAVE to waste a mutation slot on this mutation as a dibble or js at a disadvantage! which is just lame as all hell xd IF the devs are insistent on keeping this mutation only give it to the actual cannis like deino n cera instead of creatures like galli and utah 💀
Exactly, even in sparring situtations the dinos aren't trying to kill eachother
So dumb.... These perks arent even a problem, and all you people like "oh no combat perks" are honestly worse for the game than the combat mutations ever will be or are
@@tandava-089they are a problem because they js become the new meta and the ones listed off in this video ESPECIALLY! Are js a huge problem! And it’s dumb u can’t see why xd
@@No_name8374 there is no meta.... You guys are just chronically online half wits or something.
>>>>This isnt a pvp game.....
@@tandava-089 my guy… do you even know what meta means? When people say “the games meta” it means how players play and what is the status quo of everything. When I say “it js becomes the new meta” it’s because it’s either you run this build or your f@cked and at a disadvantage from everyone else! For example! Due to the horde of dibble cannis your are FORCED to run interspecies other wise your at a disadvantage and just die 💀 It becomes the meta and this meta for dibble is just combat between the two BECAUSE OF THESE MUTATIONS
Any mutation that gives you any kind of straight up combat related stat boost is a terrible idea, because you WILL end up with a situation where certain perks have to be picked, if you dont want to cripple yourself compared to other "meta"-users. The cannibal one is another such example.
They should stick to QoL mutations, with the exception maybe being creatures like Beipi, dryo, etc. Things that are more flavor than real threat.
i solo killed 2 sub dibbles in a herd of 8 dibbles (with adults around) with an 70% grown omni with that health mutation... .. took me some while but everytime i got hit and was on red i ate and was full health again .... def OP
I dont think perks should have have debuffs because it would stop people form choosing eggs that might give them a setup they don't want with heredity mutations
on my diablo, I take stam on damage, and the one where I take less damage from bigger dinos... literally took on a group of 5 carno and killed one before they got me
I feel like speed perks should just be for lower tiers, the ones that get instant one shotted...from mostly everything
Good analysis, i disagree on the speed perk tho, anticipated counterplay is a healthy thing imo
Has this all been released yet?
Still on horde test. We will see how they look come live.
Gastronomic Regeneration is a fucking nightmare when using the right dino
Alongside the ones you mentioned
Cerato is a titanic offender to how strong that mutation is, why?
Well Cerato has not only access to abilities that boost its durability and has this natural thing where while eating, small animals or just low damage foes cant even do damage to a cerato and wanna know the funny part .....CARNOS BITE IS ON THAT LIST giving more options to resist
Not even mentioning cerato being able to use its go go gadget bacterial bite and natural resistance to bleed and even fracture in combination with that mutation alone
You achieve one of the biggest middle fingers to the natural order by the highest margin in terms of a scavenger bully
Cerato is naturally fine along with others, this mutation however makes him and others the poster children of one wrong move and now you have chaos incarnate bound to a dinosaur body
(I dont know where i was going with this, but you get my points, the healing from eating mutation needs some severe changes to be even remotely balanced without being this problematic)
Its really funny how everyone says everything is broken, but Ive seen every animal win and lose every fight multiple times, and theres still abundant options for every playable to survive easily🤔
Also, I played cerato earlier and the eat to regen is LEAST broken on them by far... omni heals from red to green in five bites... takes cerato like half its stomach to heal from oj to green.... Thats really not broken at all(on cera)
yeah but cerato can just overeat and heal as many times as he pleases.
@@oskarkarppinen919 I dont think it works actually when your full... if it does, its very slowly.... Again, raptor needs 5 bites to go from red to full. Cera needs 50-75% of its stomach to heal from oj to green
@thomasinefitzpatrick of course not to mention the idea cerato can puke up some of its stomach content to eat more
I guess the only true downside here is cerato would chew through a body but with the other things cerato has in being able to tank 50% less damage and stuff
A body acts as a medical pack, only few creatures can get a cerato off a corpse and it can't eat being stego and deino
Deino is a given unless far inland and you can actually take on stegos normally as cerato if good enough
So even if it may be slow in gaining health back, it's still problematic due to its durability coupled with offensive weaponry that highlight how being able to re obtain lost health by doing the one thing you do best feels notably absurd
It may not seem bad, but ceratos kit just doesn't allow for something like this mutation to be used without problems coming up
And even if we don't consider cerato, it's a horribly designed mutation as rather than strengthening your natural health regen, it just gives flat health back
no works the same even when you are full
Is not the stam perk available only for herbivores? Deino has it too?
Herbivores have it too
I do agree that the mutations are BROKEN right now. I dont think the effects of the mutations themselves are bad persé, but how strong the effects are and how abusable they are. Gastro should apply something like a 4x or 5x heal rate buff for a set percentage of total health, tactile endur shouldnt immediately give you free stamina but should guarantee as long as youre not sprinting or spending stamina, you'll regenerate stamina, probably at a slightly boosted rate. Speed itself should be reworked to something like acceleration speed. Nothing needs to be faster, everything would benefit from hitting top speed sooner.
the cannibal one is the worst people are just dickheads now thats in the game i cant even play dibble because of cannibalistic herbis
its not subject to change? its in hordetesting
Yeah, I use eat to heal on my pachy... and it's pretty busted
"IsLe Isn'T a PVp GaME!!1!111" they say as they turn it into a hell of a metagaming situation. As while it is clearly stated that these mutations are pumped up to max value for testing purposes and are in NO way final to the eventual finished product, its the fact these mutations I can guarantee will indeed turn Isle into a full on PVP metagaming situation. The EXACT thing the devs have constantly said they intend to avoid. Frankly, the devs constantly point out trying to avoid a variety of things which only ends up happening because they lack the competency to produce a system or mechanic that could easily prevent the things they want to prevent such as hotspots, metagaming, mixpacks, etc.
They promised no stat boosting mutations and now we have them. All we needed was some nice pve mutations which we do have. Add mutations that give comfort to the player. That can take their mind off parts of the game or add interesting things (Like smelling herbivore diets as a carnivore)
Of course it’s a pvp game, there is nothing else. What a dumb whiney comment.
I personally hate the mutations, some of them are either something that should just be a given or are unfair to anyone who chooses a different mutation
Agreed especially gastro regen lol
Things like the reabsorption should just be automatically there, needing to choose that is just odd. It's such a useful thing, and in my opinion makes the game more enjoyable. The less things I have to worry about, the more immersive it is. That is why I love Path.
Also, having more speed on a galli or carno, regardless of the value, is stupid.
This is YT I dont want to hear your only talk this is a palce for videos not just a blank screen record
preach! speed based mutations are something i didnt want in this game,it creates a meta and screws other species that arent running them, its lame af.
Im totally against mutations since day 1, it takes the concept of realism of the game. on legacy we played as allosaurus for an example against t-rex or giga or whatever, and we like to let them bleed, but with this mutation system is gonna be a disgrace. dont know how to play this game anymore, just dont make sense.
Oh hell nah babies deserve to regen their health quickly with that mutation. They prwctcilaly have no defence and are boring to play.
Perks should be lemoted to especific dinos, and toond down in my opinion, i cant make thes sugestion on discord becouse im banned lol
They are limited to specific dinos, just that most are available for most. Several are locked for different species(flat stam regen, damage to stam, dunno what else)
Are you losing sleep over these perks?
Apparently.... They arent satisfied till everything is so homogenized they know EXACTLY what to expect from every fight and noone can get an advantage over them by.... making smart choices.
I really cant stand all the crybabies who pretend this is a PVP game first, and then make deals out of nothing because of how they choose to play the game.... A way they never had to and dont need to, and isnt a problem if they dont or do... It just makes being a min-max troll boring.... So, cry?
@@tandava-089 Are you complaining about other people or Turk?
@@Jay-Ce Im complaining about everyone who cries about perks and says all the dumb stuff "this perk is just a horrible bad idea" "no health perks" "no stam perks" "no speed perks" "no healing perks"
Yall are cry babies. None of these perks are broken at all, EVEN BEING OVERTUNED..... None of these perks prevent smart playing. None of these perks is too good overcome.... Ive seen them all repeatedly in the most skilled of hands now...
The mutations are fine.
But all you crybaby whiners arent going to be happy until every dino has ALL the same stats and NOTHING unique at all cause "anything unique is broken hurr durr"
@@tandava-089 Okay, and I hope you understand how balancing works.
This comes from a worry of a balancing perspective, because the Mutations listed in this video ARE unbalanced and they have already, very quickly, become the Metta.
Gastronomic Regeneration is the best for smaller animals, but even then. There isn't anything you can really do against a pack of raptors or dilo's that run this mutation, you will quite literally never actually kill them because they are far faster than you, and are usually in a group.
If you try to chase the injured one, the other one's will attack you.
If you stay defensive, the injured will simply run away and come back at full health while you are left injured.
The only option at that point, is to just corpse guard, in which case, they can also dip to kill an AI and heal.
For tactile endurance, it's mainly a herbivore mutation, but imagine getting a stego to 0% stamina because he is an idiot and spam swung, then when you bite him he gets 20% stamina back and just spikes you, getting another 4 swings back.
For the speed mutation, Cera was a good example, and I can't think of too many more.
But for future animals, imagine how busted the speed Mutations will be.
This isn't about "Oh I don't have an advantage!!"
It's about the fact that certain matchups are completely ruined based on some of these Mutations. And if you don't use any of these you simply lose.
Same goes with intraspecies aggression
You come across someone with that mutation, and whoops, all of a sudden I lose just because they outdamage me so much so now I need to play EVEN better against them than if they never used that Mutation.
It's just stupid.
@@Jay-Ce "This comes from a worry of a balancing perspective, because the Mutations listed in this video ARE unbalanced and they have already, very quickly, become the Metta."
But... this is complete dog it at face value, and anyone with a brain could see that.
Its a part of the game now, 100%.
There is NO metta... Thats literally made up and in your head
"You come across someone with that mutation, and whoops, all of a sudden I lose just because they outdamage me" For this to happen, you made A BUNCH of really bad decisions... This isnt tekken or mortal combat.
"It's about the fact that certain matchups are completely ruined based on some of these Mutations. And if you don't use any of these you simply lose."
Theres literally NO truth to this.
It all comes down to the decisions you make, and how you play.
Your just lying, crying about not being able to bully people the way you used to reliably, and saying your worried about 'balance'
cry bayb liar...
"For the speed mutation, Cera was a good example, and I can't think of too many more.
But for future animals, imagine how busted the speed Mutations will be."
Are you not paying attention to your surroundings? In what world did a >>>>5%
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