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RV Lithium Battery Install Mistakes (DIY, Beginners & Pros Still Make)
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The utility worker was like “shit, I just got caught going into a pad mount transformer with absolutely no PPE on.”
I used 4/0 welding cable between my batteries and 3000w inverter on a 800ah, 12v system.
Buss bar method is best. Also you can add different AH batteries together with a buss bar method. They will all discharge at the same rate and will also share load accordingly. So if you have a 100 amp load and you had two batteries, let’s say a 300ah and a 100 ah the 300ah will take 75 amps and the 100 ah will take 25amps. Or if you have the same 100 amp load with two 100 ah batteries then each would take 50amps each. I have a 300ah and a 100ah together on a buss bar method and this is how mine works. Works great. You then also put the charger and solar to the buss bar and they also charge accordingly.
Harrison is the man! This guy is a wealth of knowledge. I could listen/watch him talk about Lithium batteries all day long. I learned a lot today.
One of the more informative and important videos I’ve seen! Thank you
Thought: makes me wonder if there should be a smoke detector in the battery compartment/RV basement that triggers a siren... not only in the compartment, but also on the other detectors (with app and bluetooth capabilities/notifications).
Great info! Excellent presentation for someone planning to upgrade their electrical system.
Thank you for the detailed Video Tom
If I heard correctly that it was 6 gauge wire was way to small, at that length 6 gauge is designed to handle 70 amps max. With the fix I assume it will be upgraded to 4/0 cable which is 7 sizes up from the one installed. Glad you guys caught this before it created a bigger issue. Love your content, keep it up.
Thanks Keith!
Yes so true. It looks like he used battery cables from automotive store.😢
Great information Tom! So glad your channel is one of the few I subscribe to. Always lots of good information. Stay safe.
Thanks so much Wayne!
Great info and presentation was enjoyable!! We are subscribers and learn from you!! Happy travels!!❤
Very informative, I’m planning on having an solar system installed within the year.
I switched to 200 amh enduro after watching Harrison do the in stall for "SWITCH IT UP ". LOVE enduro batteries and working awesome!
I appreciate how you get experts on your channel. Thanks
This is a great video. Can’t wait for the next one in this series.
Awesome! Thanks for watching.
Good info.
Most RV repair shops don’t know anything. You need specialized installer for Lithium
BTW, I never recommend using a space electric heater. So many stories about fires. Now you know.
Too many amps = heat = fire
One more thing, when it’s cold outside. Use your propane heater or your Aquahot. Safer and your RV was built for those units.
Great video (a little long) but good info! That is exactly why I used 4/0 welding wire (and it wasn't cheap!) to connect my 4x 100amp battery bank and my 3000 watt inverter! I have watched a whole lot of videos before starting my installation. Good job Tom
Thanks for watching! Wait till you see the upgrade.
This was a very good overview
Thank you so much for making this video!!
Thanks for watching!
Would you guys consider an episode on installing solar in stages for those of us who can’t afford a full solar system all at once?
We are on a fixed income as hubs is a 100% disabled veteran
Sure, I believe our upcoming videos in this series will help.
In a nutshell, too maintain watts you can use volts or amps. Amps make heat. To get more watts with less amps increase your volts.
Great video...
You have 3 choices when configuring batteries- series, parallel, and a series/parallel combination where the voltage and amp hours are increased, but the total available amp hours are equal to the combined batteries amps added together.
You'll notice that the actual insulation on the wire did not melt, it did it's job. It was the crappy red sleeving that somebody put on to look pretty that nearly caused a fire.
Good information on the cable size, however, i'm curious, it looks like only the red heat shrink melted on the cable, not the actual cable sheathing. It was probably good for much higher temperature before failure.
Saved for future reference!
So you can have the Victron app but you can also have the battery monitor inside the trailer so you can have both at the same time, correct
It's not like I don't have time to watch long vid , but this vid was very good , thanks
Awesome, thanks for watching Gary!
Good video . Not a fan of wing nuts on battery connections.
For sure, we got rid of those in the upgrade (video coming soon)
An impressive amount of information, almost overwhelming.
Yes, more to come.
@@EnjoyTheJourneyLife I would like to ask you or this tech what's involved in just upgrading to a lithium over a conventional deep cycle acid battery? Is there an advantage?
Yes and that will be answered in an upcoming video!
I'm using the same Go-Power 3000 watt inverter charger in my 5th wheel. But, I'm using 2/0 welding cable to a bus bar for all battery negatives and 2/0 cable to another bus bar for all battery positives. Then 4/0 cable from each bus bar to the inverter and 4/0 to chassis ground. There is a 400 amp ANL fuse and a disconnect on the positive feed to inverter. With this inverter you must remember to change the shore power setting to either 50 amps or 30 amps as needed at the different campgrounds. This inverter has assist on line one only when shore power is not enough so the inverter will invert power from the batteries to compensate. The remote panel will show how many amps are being drawn from the batteries when inverting. If you're using 3 or more batteries in parallel try to use bus bars, it really helped my inverter system perform better.
Great info Ray! Thanks for sharing.
Why does the large charging output from the inverter need its own path to ground? At 24:40. That is not recommended in the install manual for my inverter.
Cables and fuses/breakers. need to be designed to work together. The fuses/breakers are designed to protect the wire.
What size wire was it and what size wire should have been on my arm
Harrison! At 13:20 you cannot connect bigger lithium batteries like that. The 200a BMS has to run one battery to one battery. It will not work as stated. I would be willing to bet it is not advised at 100a bms lith batteries either you just don't notice because the stress of the system is not there.
Always go silver tinned ofc 0 gage! Ask them if they know lithium! A Class Sounds in MN is amazing.
Sizing wire is not something confined to the solar/battery side of things. It's a core fundamental of anything electrical so I have a hard time finding any way to give the shop that installed this any kind of an excuse. Unfortunately I've seen this on the few RV's I've been in, some worse than others.
Poor wire management and poor insulation is another thing I saw. Not every job is going to be showroom pretty but putting ELEVEN ring terminals from 12 and 14 AWG wire on a single battery terminal had me really scratching my head. Seeing someone that shelled out the money for 3 BattleBorn Batteries but got 6 AWG battery cable was pretty disappointing as well. Yeah it was only feeding a 1500W inverter and I believe all the heating is propane so no crazy large DC loads...but still...you've got the ability to draw up to 300A with those batteries and if you max out the inverter you're pushing the limits with that 6 AWG. If you wanted to bump up to a 2000W generator you've gotta put new cables in.
There's no reason why those in the 1500W area shouldn't just shell out the extra $50 for some 2 AWG or those in the 2500W club shouldn't shell out the extra $100 (assuming you're coming from 2 AWG) to 2/0 AWG.
You'll never have to worry about these little things when you're running heavy loads if you. just upsize your cable PLUS you get reduced voltage drop which means less amperage....so you gain a small bit of efficiency as well. This could also mean (especially if your inverter isn't right next to your battery bank) that your inverter won't cut off early because you'll be able to squeeze that extra 0.1V or 0.2V out of your batteries if you have an inverter that doesn't have a very low cut off voltage.
Hydraulically crimped tinned copper lugs, quality battery/welding cable, and dual walled adhesive shrink wrap.
And if you're paralleling batteries a QUALITY bus bar makes life a heck of a lot easier.
DIY my project after tons of research.
1,500 watts of solar panels, (2) 60 amp solar chargers, 900 AH Battleborn batteries.
3,000 watt inverter.
4/0 wires throughout the system.
When plugged into shore power turn off your inverter and avoid potential disaster.
Thanks for sharing, nice set up!
No one is immune to the saying “you don’t know what you don’t know”.
Have not finished yet but i can you that wire is no where near the right size lol
😮🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️Oh my gravy…
WHO DID YOUR WIRING?
😢😢😢
That is backwards, the converter should be reduced, by whomever installed the larger one.
Behold the awesome advantage of a MANUAL transfer switch. I would never have anything else.
That makes a lot of sense, thanks for mentioning that.
Even that wire guys still too small for 3000 watt inverter is that high frequency inverter then you’ll be OK but a low frequency inverter unit for a wire is to small and the batteries need to be connected to a bus bar
Thanks for the tips! Wait till you see the upgrade.
No generetor
amps does not resent power. Power is what your appliances use.
I’ll never understand why people with generators don’t run their generators when needed. Run the darn generator!
The balanced vs not isn't correct in his explanation. The current in a parallel connection doesn't run through the other batteries. The connecting cables or bus bars is the only place the current flows. Running each cable to a centeral location would reduce the necessary cable size connected to each battery otherwise a parallel system the leads can be connected aa you wish as long as positive is to positive and negative to negative. The biggest thing to consider is having the cleanest and lowest resistance connections possible
😆🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️he said you had #6 AWG WIRE SIZE. 😮😢
The guys that did this install need A Clue. 🤦🏼♂️Tom, Please go back and tell them what you learned.
THIS INSTALL IS VERY DANGEROUS 😮😮😮
Yes, they did not have experience putting in a system of this size.
ever make a video without your opening? that would be awesome.
I disagree with the technician. Overall it was a shitty install! Because the original installer didn’t follow basic electrical techniques, they get an F!
And they got extremely lycky they still have a camper
'expert' didn't say anything about the use of wing nuts on battery terminals. Anyone coming from the marine world knows these should not be used in an environment that is subject to movement, like the road or water. This spent the 1st 10 minutes on saying very little about the wire size. geez
I had someone walk up on me from behind. While working on a 800amp service... He almost got to see if Jesus Exist...
You have 3 choices when configuring batteries- series, parallel, and a series/parallel combination where the voltage and amp hours are increased, but the total available amp hours are equal to the combined batteries amps added together.
You need more information then that.. As I seen people buy 200ah Batteries.. Then realize the BMS can only output 100ah.. Where 2 100ah batteries will give you 200ah continuous output. That is the advantage of 2 12 volt Lithium batteries, compared to one 200ah one...
So look close at the battery specifications..You might get caught wondering why the BMS shuts down..