Great video and beautiful lenses! What I love about my Helium 8k, which you share in your comparison, is being able to swap Standard OLPF for Skin Tone, and there’s also a Low Light OLPF. I also use the DSMC2 Motion Mount EF for Global Shutter on DSMC2, something most people think only exists only on Komodo (which I also own and love using). Motion Mount also gives DSMC2 built in ND Filters controlled from the Red Touchscreen. Many people are not aware of this.
Most so-called "blue-chip" high-end wildlife productions for Nat Geo, BBC, Netflix, and Apple have been shot mainly on RED cameras in the past many years.
@@nicholasteixeira9601 The Komodo has IR pollution issues. Seems like the raptor also has IR Pollution issues. I will have to run a test with an IR Filter and see if the magenta cast goes away. If it does then its definitely an IR Pollution issue.
thanks for taking the time and share this with everybody! It would be cool to see this comparison with Helium mounting the standard olpf,if I'm not mistaken skin tone olpf absorb one stop of light more then the standard.. thanks again!
If it is one or the other, it really depends on what lenses you are mainly shooting. If you need the extra telephoto reach the smaller S35 sensor helps that, while there are fewer professional PL lenses that cover the full-frame sensor. The V-Raptor FF in "S35" mode in 5,5 or 6k is not the same quality as the 8k image of the VRaptor S35. Of course, there is the option to use DSLR lenses with the VRaptor FF Vista Vision.
Thanks for getting back to me. I’m using Canon C70’s and Red Komodo, so most of my Cine lenses are designed for S35. I was wondering how the Canon Speed Booster would work on the V-Raptor S35. ( the speedbooster will give me an extra stop of light)
Hey Darryl, I'm also trying to figure out which camera to get. My must have factors are 8k and global shutter, which makes the Helium the only option currently. I am however considering the V-Raptor VV XL for which there should be a Motion Mount coming up. So the bigger factor at play is definitely glass, I have very few vintage lenses that would work on even the S35 V-Raptor so either way I'll have to start from scratch. That doesn't take away the hassle though, just as Florian said the bigger sensor does allow for a wider view at equal focal lenght while the smaller sensors will work with an incredible amount of diverse lenses. Both ends of the spectrum have their pros and cons and given the high cost of a kit for either format, even just for prime lenses, the choice has to be well pondered. Do keep in mind that the VV sensor on the V-Raptors has a 46.306mm diagonal size which is huge and will be met with vignetting even when using most of the large frame or full frame lenses. The DZO Vespid Prime series for an example have an image circle of 46.5mm and it's one of the largest. You can check this out prior to any decision with a tool from CVP at: cvp.com/tools/cameralens
@@sixtx Thanks for all the info about the S35 and the VV Raptor, I have gone with the S35 Rhino which should here in a couple of days. I was worried about the large sensor of the VV, plus I use the C70 and Komodo so it makes sense to go with the S35 model. If I need to use full frame lens for a wider view I can use the Canon speed booster which has been awesome on the C70 / Komodo, plus an extra bonus of an extra stop of light.
I will give further insights into some of other cameras, lenses and gimbal systems like ShotOver, Cineflex and GSS that are used for some of the special wildlife shots.
Is the reason the helium shots at 2500 ISO was brighter than the S35 simply because of the sensor size? Picking up more light? Or is there another variable happening?
So glad I stumbled upon this. Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Thinking about getting the new S35 cam. What are you thoughts on the Canon 25-250? What scenario does it work best or does it have a place for wildlife work? Keep the videos coming when you have time!
I think the Canon 25-250 will be a great wildlife lens, as it is very light and compact and still has a wide aperture of T 2.95 - T 3.95 and the option to drop in the 1.5x extender. ( increases the T-value by same 1.5x factor)
After running some tests (Putting an IR Filter in front of the lens) the VV Raptor still shows the magenta shit. It looks like the Raptor color science is just a bit different.
Slight Magenta cast to the Raptor hey? I don't know what the scene was like to the eye. Do you think the raptor looked too magenta or did the helium look too green?
could you perhaps share the r3d files to the comparison clips, even if it's just the iso 2500 ones for the v raptor, would love to test out it's shadow latitude!
@@SaltEarthandSun Helium has a tendency to lean very green, specially in the shadows if you push it too much (Shoot high ISO's). You can see that when he shoots ISO 2500 the Raptor looks more neutral than the helium which takes that heavy green cast. If shot @ ISO 800 or less the Helium looks better IMO.
CONFIRMED* Raptor and Komodo BOTH have IR POLLUTION ISSUES. After putting a 5 Stop ND in front of the lens on my VV Raptor outdoors the image takes this reddish tint and the green of the trees look yellowish. If I put an IR cut filter in front of that ND the tint goes away. So, YES! the Raptor and Komodo both have IR pollution issues that are more noticeable when you use heavy ND filtration,
Helium ( DSMC2 ) is better because Raptor ( DSMC 3 ) will lost SDI output ( self burn ? ) during couple months. We have already repaired SDI on our Raptor twice in 6 months of use. Money waste But our DSMC2 ( Gemini and Helium ) never lost SDI outputs.
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Great video and beautiful lenses! What I love about my Helium 8k, which you share in your comparison, is being able to swap Standard OLPF for Skin Tone, and there’s also a Low Light OLPF. I also use the DSMC2 Motion Mount EF for Global Shutter on DSMC2, something most people think only exists only on Komodo (which I also own and love using). Motion Mount also gives DSMC2 built in ND Filters controlled from the Red Touchscreen. Many people are not aware of this.
Great stuff! Real assessment and opinion from a real filmmaker. Thanks Florian!
REDs for wildlife, huh, who knew...I was thinking a blockbuster move, no joke.
Most so-called "blue-chip" high-end wildlife productions for Nat Geo, BBC, Netflix, and Apple have been shot mainly on RED cameras in the past many years.
Like the helium color better. Raptor either suffers from a bit of IR pollution or simply leans magenta (I own VV Raptor and used to own a Helium).
that is exactly what I thought! helium looks better!? what???
@@nicholasteixeira9601 The Komodo has IR pollution issues. Seems like the raptor also has IR Pollution issues. I will have to run a test with an IR Filter and see if the magenta cast goes away. If it does then its definitely an IR Pollution issue.
The Skin tone OLPF on the Helium skews very green. I think that's some of the difference
thanks for taking the time and share this with everybody! It would be cool to see this comparison with Helium mounting the standard olpf,if I'm not mistaken skin tone olpf absorb one stop of light more then the standard.. thanks again!
Awesome video! Any chance you could tell me which baseplate/rod system you are using for this setup as I am looking to have a similar rig. Thank you
i like the color science of the new sensor better skin tones
To me it's way too much Magenta (sure it's pretty easy to fix)
Thanks for taking the time to put this video together, still trying to workout with V-Raptor to get ..S35 or VV ….
If it is one or the other, it really depends on what lenses you are mainly shooting. If you need the extra telephoto reach the smaller S35 sensor helps that, while there are fewer professional PL lenses that cover the full-frame sensor. The V-Raptor FF in "S35" mode in 5,5 or 6k is not the same quality as the 8k image of the VRaptor S35. Of course, there is the option to use DSLR lenses with the VRaptor FF Vista Vision.
Thanks for getting back to me. I’m using Canon C70’s and Red Komodo, so most of my Cine lenses are designed for S35. I was wondering how the Canon Speed Booster would work on the V-Raptor S35. ( the speedbooster will give me an extra stop of light)
Hey Darryl, I'm also trying to figure out which camera to get. My must have factors are 8k and global shutter, which makes the Helium the only option currently. I am however considering the V-Raptor VV XL for which there should be a Motion Mount coming up.
So the bigger factor at play is definitely glass, I have very few vintage lenses that would work on even the S35 V-Raptor so either way I'll have to start from scratch. That doesn't take away the hassle though, just as Florian said the bigger sensor does allow for a wider view at equal focal lenght while the smaller sensors will work with an incredible amount of diverse lenses. Both ends of the spectrum have their pros and cons and given the high cost of a kit for either format, even just for prime lenses, the choice has to be well pondered.
Do keep in mind that the VV sensor on the V-Raptors has a 46.306mm diagonal size which is huge and will be met with vignetting even when using most of the large frame or full frame lenses. The DZO Vespid Prime series for an example have an image circle of 46.5mm and it's one of the largest.
You can check this out prior to any decision with a tool from CVP at: cvp.com/tools/cameralens
@@sixtx Thanks for all the info about the S35 and the VV Raptor, I have gone with the S35 Rhino which should here in a couple of days. I was worried about the large sensor of the VV, plus I use the C70 and Komodo so it makes sense to go with the S35 model. If I need to use full frame lens for a wider view I can use the Canon speed booster which has been awesome on the C70 / Komodo, plus an extra bonus of an extra stop of light.
@@sixtxwould love to hear why your vintage lenses wouldn’t even work on the Raptor S35? I guess this is purely because of the mount?
wow the footage at the end with that 300mm lens! thanks for sharing this with us
The helium seems sharper than raptor @4:12 you can see alot more detail in the trees. Was the focus just off?
Thank you for sharing. Looking forward to seeing your future videos about the S35
Great video! Just subscribed. Any chance you are going to review canon? Be also very cool see animal footage
I will give further insights into some of other cameras, lenses and gimbal systems like ShotOver, Cineflex and GSS that are used for some of the special wildlife shots.
Is the reason the helium shots at 2500 ISO was brighter than the S35 simply because of the sensor size? Picking up more light? Or is there another variable happening?
You are truly a master of your craft. I look forward to seeing more post. Easiest subscribe ever!
I nearly fainted when i seen you had 2 50-1000. oooooooooooooh. I just bought a 1000 lens for full frame photography
So glad I stumbled upon this. Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Thinking about getting the new S35 cam.
What are you thoughts on the Canon 25-250? What scenario does it work best or does it have a place for wildlife work?
Keep the videos coming when you have time!
I think the Canon 25-250 will be a great wildlife lens, as it is very light and compact and still has a wide aperture of T 2.95 - T 3.95 and the option to drop in the 1.5x extender. ( increases the T-value by same 1.5x factor)
After running some tests (Putting an IR Filter in front of the lens) the VV Raptor still shows the magenta shit. It looks like the Raptor color science is just a bit different.
thankyou for the insight this was exactly the info i needed
great video dude! I learned a lot :) keep making videos
Wishing you get to make more vids!
Beautiful stuff!
great video
Slight Magenta cast to the Raptor hey? I don't know what the scene was like to the eye. Do you think the raptor looked too magenta or did the helium look too green?
could you perhaps share the r3d files to the comparison clips, even if it's just the iso 2500 ones for the v raptor, would love to test out it's shadow latitude!
thx
Never seen a guy who is exited that much about smaller sized sensor)
I still like more the Helium image :P
Nice video thank you for sharing…
By chance is it possible for you to compare the URSA Mini Pro 12k alongside the V-Raptor s35?
Unfortunately, I do not own the URSA Mini, so I cannot do that comaprison.
What was the real color of the jacket? Was it the Greyish color that the Raptor shows? or the Green color the Helium shows?
Hahah that's what I was wondering. Personally, I prefer the skin tone of the Raptor. the Helium looks a bit gray/green in the skin.
@@SaltEarthandSun Helium has a tendency to lean very green, specially in the shadows if you push it too much (Shoot high ISO's). You can see that when he shoots ISO 2500 the Raptor looks more neutral than the helium which takes that heavy green cast. If shot @ ISO 800 or less the Helium looks better IMO.
I like the Raptor better. 👍🏿
CONFIRMED* Raptor and Komodo BOTH have IR POLLUTION ISSUES. After putting a 5 Stop ND in front of the lens on my VV Raptor outdoors the image takes this reddish tint and the green of the trees look yellowish. If I put an IR cut filter in front of that ND the tint goes away. So, YES! the Raptor and Komodo both have IR pollution issues that are more noticeable when you use heavy ND filtration,
All kit price ? V raptor 35
Please create more content!
can u please check the low light capabilities?
At the video starting at 4:45 you see the ISO performance at 2000 ISO and 2500 ISO. I filmed this at dusk well after sunset.
@@florianschulzproductions as i can see the raptor is much more cleaner even at 2500 ISO
What do they cost?
Helium ( DSMC2 ) is better because Raptor ( DSMC 3 ) will lost SDI output ( self burn ? ) during couple months. We have already repaired SDI on our Raptor twice in 6 months of use. Money waste But our DSMC2 ( Gemini and Helium ) never lost SDI outputs.