the “GOATS” do the same, they keep shitting on this generation saying they won’t last in their era, some even came for giannis and other superstars, miss me with that please lmfao
The full KG clip would have put this in context way better… KG wasn’t just talking about on the court, he was talking about locker room, lifestyle, practice etc…
I'm so sick of this argument. The past era wasn't physical, it was dirty. When you watch Jordan against the bad boy Pistons. They aren't playing defense. Throwing elbows isn't physical play. It's just dirty basketball. Most of the defensive guys from that era wouldn't make a roster today. Cause they'd have to play actual defense.
But you always see the older generation, downplaying the current generation. I won’t speak for NHL and MLB but it happens often with the NFL and NBA. Should each generation take disrespect that comes from the generations before them?
That's a lie. In the NFL, players from the 60s said 80s was soft, players from the 80s said the 2000s were soft, players from the 2000s are saying the 2020s are soft. Every generation considers their generation to be better and the previous generation to be lesser.
NFL players do disrespect all the time mlb or nhl they don’t that much but that’s because I think they haven’t changed rules that much throughout the years and a tad bit less physical than basketball especially mlb
Whatever. Lol. He took it personally, which he should. The amount of disrespect towards players of the past by so many fans of the players of "today" is ridiculous. The way it is played today, you all better be glad some of those "older" players weren't playing with the rules of today. Jordan would literally erase some of your favorite players' legacies. @jimmyjohns7866
@BrandonBostonCreator Jordan who was 6'5 and barely 210lbs soaking wet who couldn't shoot a 3 to save his life oh I'm shaking in my boots LOL the guy played in a generation that a team his team played in the finals scored 53 points. 53 Hahahaa and not because of defense. Ant was right. 90% of the nba in the 80s and 90s couldn't dribble with their left or shoot outside of 8 feet. Go back and watch a hardwood classic it's like watching highschool basketball but you guys get on your knees hyping up nostalgia so have at it hahaa go watch a 90s game rn and then watch today's it's night and day. Kg was just mad because ant took over his city and way younger than him to do it
@@jimmyjohns7866how old are you? 10? Seriously I’m wondering where this rubbish is coming from. Players now dribble better than Jordan, AI, Isiah, etc? Tatum and Brown can’t even dribble without palming and fumbling the ball. Please stop the ignorance. Players today are meant to play 2 on 2 half court games where they can just take 3 steps and throw up a 3 pointer. I knew lots of playground Bball players in the 90s who could do that. Shooting 3s is all it takes to be a great Bball player now!
@@billysummers1616 By skills, you mean everyone shooting 3's. Back then, every starter was a specialist and had a specific role and no one trained outside of that. Real point guards, real shooting guards, real big men.
That ship sailed when he disappeared in the playoffs. MJ never disappeared or choked, he lost series or had failures before becoming the success we know him to be but that is what separates him from everyone else and makes him the undisputed 🐐. He never choked or disappeared, he always delivered his individual stats and numbers. The harder the challenge the more his numbers shot up. Just look at his first playoffs run against the Celtics. There's a reason Larry Bird said "that's god disguised as Michael Jordan." 😅
@@kjjr3270 Not all old heads do that. you picked one person. A lot of people stopped watching because the rules overwhelmingly favor offense, the players sre too entitled, and it's not enough passion for the game. A lot of them just want the lifestyle. There's always been players that were like that but now that seems to be the culture as a whole with a minority that play for the passion. It's hard to be passionate about something when the people involved aren't. Its even more frustrating to be passionate about something and watch people treat it carelessly. My dad use to love the NBA. Now he barely watches it.
young fans refuse to understand that officiating and rules were alot different, take Kyrie or AI and put them in the 60s and they getting called for a carry on every possession
Old fans REFUSE to understand the officiating of today's league. And old fans REFUSE to acknowledge how officiating prevents the younger generation from doing things that the older generation was allowed to do. Yall REFUSE to acknowledge how they restrict both sides nowadays
@@nikidlaminiAdapting like that would be tough. Their standard dribble actions would prob be a carry or travel. What is fair to say is full judging people back in the day for their lack of dribbling skill when rules didn't even allow it is wild.
@@sholovesholove4620 Most rules and officiating today allows for the wider skill set that we see today compared to decades past, that's the whole point of the constant convo about skills today compared to the past
@@nikidlamini They act like the rules said they couldn't shoot 10 threes a game in the 90s. They act like the rules said you can't have complicated offenses in the 90s. They act like flopping didn't exist in the 90s. These old dudes make me hate the 90s and I grew up in the 80s and 90s watching Isiah, magic, Bernard king and Jordan.
@@williamphillips3035 Because of both... there would be no James Harden (the way that we know him) if they didn't change the rules to allow for those EXTRA steps and step back shots (just one example).
Because..... today the men are videogame playing black boys. Skateboards and lil wayne heroes. Queen Von heroes exist today. GTA and call of duty black boys exist. Nas X exists. Eminem exists today. Years ago we NEVER had that soft mess. No videogames yet.
The thing I don't understand is why people think old players wouldn't just improve their physiques with modern training regimens and improve their skills like everybody else. Lebron came in 2003 in the "old" era with low scores tougher defense and at the time he had NO left and NO 3 point shot and look how much he improved. i would like someone to explain to me why exactly Jordan/Hakeem/Robinson/Malone wouldn't be great 3 point shooters given how great their long midrange form is or why guys like Tim Hardaway, Penny, GP and them couldn't tighten up their handles like Kyrie Dame and Harden? The eras are not as separated as people think - 40 y/o MJ with no knees and 19 y/o Bron both averaged the same points in the exact same era one season apart. Iverson played against Westbrook. KG played against AD Jokic and Giannis. You all act like younger players have this magical better ability to adapt and learn new skills that older players don't
exactly!! They wouldn't have just stayed the same, they would have adapted. Jordan could shoot...he chose not to because that wasn't his game. He averaged 30 for his career doing it his way...If he had to he would have developed a 3, Same a magic did with his jump shot, as well as Jason Kidd. Like you said Lebron developed a 3 point shot. Any great can adapt skillfully.
Imagine MJ, Vince,Kobe grew up shooting thousands of 3's before entering the league and also able to do a gather step, zero step then 1-2. These new guys better appreciate not running into a real power forward screen every night
Yall better be blessed yall ain’t got torched with 25 3s in a game…. Dog we’ve had beast. 2000s had better centers than the 90s junior and that’s facts. 2000, 80,90,70s
That's like saying all players could do back in the day is shoot mid range and close shots...is that skill? Stop that nonsense both are skilled in their generations
Bodies have more miles on them coming into the league. You have to move more on offense and defense in today’s game. Clear as day when you compare film.
“I don’t think anyone in this league today could play 20 years ago”, idk why each time it’s said it sounds even crazier that lebron played way back then and also in this generation, he’s probably played through the greatest talent and game change jump ever, and through it all has always been a top 5ish guy (we’re talking like 05-2022)
@Frank-nz1wr old school/new school doesn't matter Bron still giving you 27 7 7 guy just adapts and keeps it movin. Glad I got to witness this from the jump
Gotta look at which rules they are playing with. Are they wearing those horrible Chuck Taylor's or the newer shoe.. a lot would go into whether or not today's "youth" could compete against/with the previous generation(s).
@@kjjr3270 Explain because you sound dumb. When you post up you can't even see the basket while being guarded. You actually need moves to score in the post. Whether you turn over either shoulder to shoot, utilize a drop step, hook shot, etc. Just even getting post position is a skill. Passing out of the post is a skill. Please elaborate on how simply shooting 3s is more nuanced and takes more "skills". I'll wait...
bruh the players in the 80s and 90s had closer 3 pt line and collectively shot 31% lol. They would think steph curry is a wizard shooting 40% from three with huge amounts of shots taken per game
First it's insane how Molly slick capped "he ONLY won 1 MVP." There have been 4,800 players league history only 36 ppl have ever won MVP. Put some respect on his name. Secondly the answer is probably some either way. It's a different time period both ways...so sick of these comparisons that are impossible to resolve lol.
forreal lol I heard that little jab she threw, some players back then can't play this era and some players this era can't play back then. it's not worth comparing unless they talk about trophies and mvp
Windy said it perfectly. This whole disrespect of the old era & the current era is wack. The great players would adjust to either era IMO. Saying MJ was the only guy skilled in the 90s is ridiculous & untrue on so many levels.
He wasn’t the only skilled person but the gap between mj an a lot of players in the 90s is so large that it’s ridiculous lol. He himself wasn’t even a 3pt threat
@Stunt877 MJ is widely considered the GOAT. Of course there was a gap. Yes he nor most of the league weren't focused on threes like today. But 3 Point Shooting isn't the only skill lol.
@@michaelrandall6184 Exactly, different eras called for different skill sets. 80s and 90s ball was mainly mid range, low post, half court offense. Hence why the most dominate big men, in NBA history, played during that time period. Today, it's mainly three point shooting, isolation, PnR, with less physicality. Hence why players can average 30 PPG more often now, since they are living at the free throw line or jacking up threes all game. I don't understand why people continue to overlook this.
@@jreelthe leader in mid range field goal attempts this season was Demar DeRozan at 6.9. In 03-04 (KGs MVP season) it was Jamal Mashburn with 11.6, KG was 2nd at 10.9. DeRozan would have been 19th if he played back then. Just some context on how the game has changed.
That gap would be even bigger if MJ played now. Most people believe he would average more today. And when it comes to competitive mentality...forget it, he would destroy this league
Passing off blame and lack of accountability is almost always the chief problem whenever anything falls short/fails. The reality is, the younger generation will vy qnd laege do as they're raised to do. So it's on the previous generation for bringing the new generation up to be what they are.
If the full clip, KG actually cooked. That small segment makes it seem like the older generation hating on the youth, but in it, he explains how the standard for being a top 5 player was much higher than a top 5 player today is. Like, the gap between a group of guys like Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Kobe, and KG have in league with Nash, Ray Allen, AI, and them guys is much greater than the gap that a group like Luka, Jokic, Embiid, Shai, and Ant have with their respective contemporaries. The level of talent, because it’s so common nowadays, makes the gap from top 5, which was once like the difference between lemonade and apple juice, is more like comparing lemonade and lemon juice.
Why bother when someone like Ant makes ridiculous comments the older generation played the game much better then them young kids do anyway. @@sholovesholove4620
@@kjjr3270 NO. They're more ATHLETIC, not "better". They have NO desire to win, poor fundamentals, no defence, no capacity to play in a PROPER POSITIONED highly defensive basketball game, no capacity to handle possessions without all the space they want. Why on earth do you think guys come over from Europe, openly laugh and EXCEL in the modern NBA? Its a CAKEWALK for them, and with good reason.
A few guys today play physical and would've been ok. LeBron would've been a beast in any era. Maybe Ant. Tatum would've just been some other dude though.
and no, you can definitely say that older generations are not better, they are SMALLER. size matters. in the 60's Shaq will eat all of them alive. they were just small.
People like to argue that the players today are faster, more skilled, or more athletic or w/e, but that's not true. The players today are the exact same as the players 20 - 30 years ago. The only thing that's changed are the rules
KG was 100% right, it’s idiotic to not show full context. KG brought up coaching, rules, play style, culture. So you can’t put Ant in the past or MJ in the present and really asume that they’d dominate the league. Neither of them wouldn’t because their style of play wouldn’t work with the era. No one said they couldn’t learn and adapt but just putting them in a different era isn’t going to be an immediate domination (if there would be any at all).
That's real talk, I looked at the 1980s- early 1990s Celtic team with Kevin Mchale and Robert Parish. They looked like beast come to 'not playing Basketball,'but to eat you alive.
That’s not real defense slamming and elbowing people is not real defense hand checking is cool but that other stuff is wild . I get it 80s 90s and even a little bit of 2000s was physical but your crazy if you think some of the today players like Zion ant man Nikola Jokić bam bron and KD etc couldn’t play back then
Skills cannot be measured by number of offensive moves, john stockton skills are elite over jamal Crawford, jamal have deep bag of moves but stock skills is masterclass
Despite living in an inflationary economy, Edwards doesnt know that just because pringles were worth 40 cents in 1990 and worth 199 cents today doesnt mean pringles have extra nutrition…inflation… The “inflation” in the athletes example is called better nutrition, salaries, doctors, etc…all these things allow the modern athlete to do more
1000% agree with you, I was thinking the same thing. Someone earning $30k back in the day seems like peanuts when you compare to someone earning $300k today, but $30k back in 1924 for example, was actually worth over half a million dollars, (buying power adjusted to inflation). The truth is, we’ll never really now how good some players would be if we adjusted their game to the inflation of a different era, so all generations should respect each other, old and new. Ant man was wrong because he put no thought into his comment.
@@GoatMeal365 def agree with you…its just so short sighted man…and i personally cut athletes slack coz their focus is in their performance but edwards should at least know that he doesnt know AND should therefore avoid under stating the prior athletes skillset.
Game has Evolved... Old school has to come to terms with this and Honor and praise the Skills this gen Does have.... & Young stars have to respect the way the game is coming from.
Has there ever been a generation that has disrespected the past greats like this generation? I dont believe ive ever heard fans disrespect the past greats, this generation is something different, totally soft and totally disrespectful
Bro how long is ESPN going to be blowing this out of proportion… Ant was NOT referring to KG at all when he made that statement… he said Michael Jordans era… KG came after MJ so why is he going so hard about Ant’s statement and why is ESPN leading it on?
@@KDubb-ws9zc true I just feel like it isn’t KG’s place to speak on this, any player that was in their prime in the 2000s they belong to the Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, Tim Duncan era and ANT is very well aware of who they are.
@@enzorr1098Who cares if Ant wasn't referring to Garnett specifically? His statement claims that Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, Julius Erving, and countless others weren't skilled. It's ridiculous.
@@kjjr3270 no it’s the weakest era because you touch someone it’s a foul offensive players are able to move around easier to be able to score easier that’s weak . The only thing that’s more developed is shooting 3s
Watch the full clip of KG & Paul Pierce talking. They made so many more meaningful points than was discussed on first take. KG is vastly correct in his response to Ant. He didn’t just say “guys couldn’t play”. He said a lot more about the difference in play style, and even touched on the difference in the hunger for the game. Watch it, it was great.
KG also spoke on how you would have to remember plays back then. When it wasn’t having your PG or SG dribbling for 20 seconds and shooting a long three
Is that all we talk about is the 3 point shot. Ant avg 26 ppg in 3pt and no defense era. That would look like 15-20 ppg in hand check physical era of the 90s.
it was the old nba players who started criticizing the young nba plyers first, all Anthony Edwards did was pretty much say something critical back at the old nba players in return
@@otiscarlwhite8745tbf he’s one of the most accurate shooters in NBA history. And people barely dribbled or finished with their off hand until the late 80’s. Ant man might not have watched those games from the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s but a lot of young people do. There are full games from back then on RUclips. And those games are very hard to watch, 90% of the league sucked bad.
Brian Windhorst explained it perfectly, its a dumd argument to make yourself feel better. If your only argument is physical people are only soft because the game is soft, if the game is physical people would be physical. All generations can play with each other, the league was harder back then because it was more physical but its equally as hard now because players are more talented. But just like Lebron, Chris Paul, KD, Russ played since 03/08 when the league was physical and still playing today because the adapted others would as well. AI said once he would average 40 today, no he would not because the modern day version of AI is Kyrie. Its just something to make yourself feel good.
Modern day Olympics shows that old school 90s/2000s players are better. Best player in World is Jokic, Team Serbia and more are better than Team USA as the world plays physical 90s basketball with mostly unknowns except Jokic and a few stars in Olympics. Curry bailed Team USA out otherwise everyone knows USA would have lost. Ant did nothing against random Serbia men.
When Stephen talked about how the rules basically benefits the offensive players...same can be said about jordan in the 80's vs 90's rules ....when it was hand checking and more physical 0 rings and first rounds exists ...no hand checking less physical 6 rings ...so we tailor information to fit the story help fit the story of your favorite player benefit
Imagine Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen saying no QB back in the day had any skill except Dan Marino😭 If Edwards had any amount of wisdom, he would be reaching out and picking the brain of these past greats and champions, like Kobe did, instead of discrediting what they did in and for the game.
The problem is that you have middle aged NBA players also disrespecting the past, like JJ Redick. So this generation sees it and thinks its okay to be disrespectful to the past.
Change doesn't mean better, a big man shooting 3s is a terrible style and not efficient and its a fact, look at Karl Towns he shot good in 3s in regular season but come playoffs time he is so mediocre and not effective
I completely disagree with Windy. Sometimes you have to match energy and Ant's comments were completely disrespectful and ignorant. I think KG matched that energy by sending a message inna manner that would get his attention.
Most big guys today can't play with their back-to-the-basket. That physicality came with skills. If KG, who played like that, doesn't see that today, he's right. There are two big guys that can do it well in the whole association. None of these guys today can stop the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA, Wilt Chamberlain. He ran a 4.6 40-yard dash at 7’ tall. He was a fast, high-jumping powerhouse (maybe the strongest in league history, ask Arnold) with great endurance. That was his athletic ability to be paired with basketball skills. That unstoppable turnaround fadeaway associated with “The Big Fundamental” Tim Duncan, you watch highlights of Wilt doing it. His athletic ability, physicality, and skill would be too much for big guys today. He would probably be as dominant today as he was in the 60s. I don't know about the '90s (Ewing, Mourning, Robinson, The Dream, and Shaq), but today, for sure. Remember, he got a lot of easy baskets by beating the other team’s center down the court. In a less physical game like today's, I don't know what stops him or slows him down.
you know you've made a name for yourself when First Take dedicates a whole segment to an insignificant statement you made, because its the summer is slow for sports.
The bottom line is that each era plays the way that the rules dictate that it be played. The players of today are not more athletic than players of the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. It’s just that the rules have changed so that “freedom of movement” allows players to better showcase their athleticism. Three point shooting and floor spacing is emphasized so that is how teams play. The downside is that players, for the most part, don’t have an elite mid range game or low post game anymore. The art of interior passing has fallen by the wayside and players do not run the fast break like they used to.
Ant Man’s comments are kind of disrespectful to MJ too. He’s basically saying MJ had no ‘skilled’ comp 😂, he was just a little ahead of the game’s evolutionary curve, skill-wise
Basketball is the only sport where the past G.O.A.Ts are constantly disrespected.
by rich spoiled punks
Cope
The past generation discounts everything the current generation does too lol, you’re telling a half truth
They don’t show respect to the current generation so why should they respect the oldschool guys ?? TELL THE FULL STORY
the “GOATS” do the same, they keep shitting on this generation saying they won’t last in their era, some even came for giannis and other superstars, miss me with that please lmfao
The full KG clip would have put this in context way better… KG wasn’t just talking about on the court, he was talking about locker room, lifestyle, practice etc…
Exactly
Facts they weren't built like us... we were taught punch a bully in the mouth these days they avoid conflict and look for a safe place lol 😂
And it's hypocritical of Windy to imply that KG needs to contextualize the situation when he himself took KG's message right out of context.
I'm so sick of this argument. The past era wasn't physical, it was dirty. When you watch Jordan against the bad boy Pistons. They aren't playing defense. Throwing elbows isn't physical play. It's just dirty basketball. Most of the defensive guys from that era wouldn't make a roster today. Cause they'd have to play actual defense.
@@keitht24you have no idea what you’re talking about
You don’t see NFL players or MLB or NHL disrespecting their predecessors
Facts 💯
But you always see the older generation, downplaying the current generation. I won’t speak for NHL and MLB but it happens often with the NFL and NBA. Should each generation take disrespect that comes from the generations before them?
That's a lie. In the NFL, players from the 60s said 80s was soft, players from the 80s said the 2000s were soft, players from the 2000s are saying the 2020s are soft. Every generation considers their generation to be better and the previous generation to be lesser.
It happens in reverse for NFL. Older generation disrespects the newer generation.
NFL players do disrespect all the time mlb or nhl they don’t that much but that’s because I think they haven’t changed rules that much throughout the years and a tad bit less physical than basketball especially mlb
The full KG clip is 🔥🔥🔥
*The Full KG clip is 💩💩💩
Whatever. Lol. He took it personally, which he should.
The amount of disrespect towards players of the past by so many fans of the players of "today" is ridiculous. The way it is played today, you all better be glad some of those "older" players weren't playing with the rules of today.
Jordan would literally erase some of your favorite players' legacies. @jimmyjohns7866
@BrandonBostonCreator Jordan who was 6'5 and barely 210lbs soaking wet who couldn't shoot a 3 to save his life oh I'm shaking in my boots LOL the guy played in a generation that a team his team played in the finals scored 53 points. 53 Hahahaa and not because of defense. Ant was right. 90% of the nba in the 80s and 90s couldn't dribble with their left or shoot outside of 8 feet. Go back and watch a hardwood classic it's like watching highschool basketball but you guys get on your knees hyping up nostalgia so have at it hahaa go watch a 90s game rn and then watch today's it's night and day. Kg was just mad because ant took over his city and way younger than him to do it
Slap yourself 90 ball all day ho@@jimmyjohns7866
@@jimmyjohns7866how old are you? 10? Seriously I’m wondering where this rubbish is coming from. Players now dribble better than Jordan, AI, Isiah, etc? Tatum and Brown can’t even dribble without palming and fumbling the ball. Please stop the ignorance. Players today are meant to play 2 on 2 half court games where they can just take 3 steps and throw up a 3 pointer. I knew lots of playground Bball players in the 90s who could do that. Shooting 3s is all it takes to be a great Bball player now!
Shaq "is Anthony Edwards close to MJ?"
Chuck "they both black"
HAHAHAHA
😂😂😂😂😂
Facts and that’s not even disrespect 😂😂
Chuck something else. Lol
🤣🤣🤣
If they better today, then why they don’t wanna play all 82 games
Facts
Tf do you even mean by that?
@@kjjr3270it's less physical yet they aren't as durable as the ogs
Much softer today, but more skilled
@@billysummers1616
By skills, you mean everyone shooting 3's.
Back then, every starter was a specialist and had a specific role and no one trained outside of that. Real point guards, real shooting guards, real big men.
This is espn fault saying that Anthony is the next mj lmao
Ratings went up, now they gon pay for it
That ship sailed when he disappeared in the playoffs. MJ never disappeared or choked, he lost series or had failures before becoming the success we know him to be but that is what separates him from everyone else and makes him the undisputed 🐐. He never choked or disappeared, he always delivered his individual stats and numbers. The harder the challenge the more his numbers shot up. Just look at his first playoffs run against the Celtics. There's a reason Larry Bird said "that's god disguised as Michael Jordan." 😅
You guys did the same to be fair. Don't switch up now
@@LazyCrazyGuythat’s true he still balled out earlier in his career
Ant Man is essentially the next Wade, which will make him relevant but not the best player in the league like he believes.
Before y'all accuse Molly for saying "btw he only won 1 MVP", it's because at 0:09 she mistakenly said 2-time MVP. She was correcting herself.
FACTS
Bet cuz I was on her ahhh😅
Stopit@@TheNotoriousWolf
women have no place in sports journalism neither do preachers or sleepy fatasses
Molly cooked sas
Ant also said he didn't watch the games back then so how can you (He) form that opinion? Ignorance. Just be quiet.
To be fair the old heads literally do the same thing. Just look at Shaq for example.
@@kjjr3270 Not all old heads do that. you picked one person. A lot of people stopped watching because the rules overwhelmingly favor offense, the players sre too entitled, and it's not enough passion for the game. A lot of them just want the lifestyle. There's always been players that were like that but now that seems to be the culture as a whole with a minority that play for the passion. It's hard to be passionate about something when the people involved aren't. Its even more frustrating to be passionate about something and watch people treat it carelessly. My dad use to love the NBA. Now he barely watches it.
He wasn’t even born in the 90s 🤣
👆 ikr WE GREW HAIR ON OUR CHEST+BALL$!!! In the nineteen naughty ninetie$!!!
young fans refuse to understand that officiating and rules were alot different, take Kyrie or AI and put them in the 60s and they getting called for a carry on every possession
Old fans REFUSE to understand the officiating of today's league. And old fans REFUSE to acknowledge how officiating prevents the younger generation from doing things that the older generation was allowed to do. Yall REFUSE to acknowledge how they restrict both sides nowadays
@@nikidlaminiAdapting like that would be tough. Their standard dribble actions would prob be a carry or travel. What is fair to say is full judging people back in the day for their lack of dribbling skill when rules didn't even allow it is wild.
@@sholovesholove4620 Most rules and officiating today allows for the wider skill set that we see today compared to decades past, that's the whole point of the constant convo about skills today compared to the past
@@sholovesholove4620write it literally works both ways and people only look at it from whichever bias side the want
@@nikidlamini They act like the rules said they couldn't shoot 10 threes a game in the 90s. They act like the rules said you can't have complicated offenses in the 90s. They act like flopping didn't exist in the 90s. These old dudes make me hate the 90s and I grew up in the 80s and 90s watching Isiah, magic, Bernard king and Jordan.
Alan Iverson would live at the free throw line if he played today
Facts
@ImalmostReady He’s not
@ImalmostReadynot the same
He already lived in the free throw do you want him to average 20 fts?
A 25 year old A.I. in today's game would average 40ppg hands down!
Most of the 96 class would go absolutely crazy in todays NBA generation.
Because of the rules change, not because they are better. Everybody would adjust to the times.
@@williamphillips3035agreed. great players are always great
@@williamphillips3035 Because of both... there would be no James Harden (the way that we know him) if they didn't change the rules to allow for those EXTRA steps and step back shots (just one example).
@@sirrmanning2769old players are not better than current players
Because..... today the men are videogame playing black boys. Skateboards and lil wayne heroes. Queen Von heroes exist today. GTA and call of duty black boys exist. Nas X exists. Eminem exists today. Years ago we NEVER had that soft mess. No videogames yet.
The thing I don't understand is why people think old players wouldn't just improve their physiques with modern training regimens and improve their skills like everybody else. Lebron came in 2003 in the "old" era with low scores tougher defense and at the time he had NO left and NO 3 point shot and look how much he improved. i would like someone to explain to me why exactly Jordan/Hakeem/Robinson/Malone wouldn't be great 3 point shooters given how great their long midrange form is or why guys like Tim Hardaway, Penny, GP and them couldn't tighten up their handles like Kyrie Dame and Harden? The eras are not as separated as people think - 40 y/o MJ with no knees and 19 y/o Bron both averaged the same points in the exact same era one season apart. Iverson played against Westbrook. KG played against AD Jokic and Giannis. You all act like younger players have this magical better ability to adapt and learn new skills that older players don't
exactly!! They wouldn't have just stayed the same, they would have adapted. Jordan could shoot...he chose not to because that wasn't his game. He averaged 30 for his career doing it his way...If he had to he would have developed a 3, Same a magic did with his jump shot, as well as Jason Kidd. Like you said Lebron developed a 3 point shot. Any great can adapt skillfully.
LeBalco James baby! Balco king of the Los Angeles lebrons!!!
Imagine MJ, Vince,Kobe grew up shooting thousands of 3's before entering the league and also able to do a gather step, zero step then 1-2. These new guys better appreciate not running into a real power forward screen every night
Thank you! These new guys are allowed to do so much more now.
Cut it those older heads lucky that some of these freaky athletes didn’t exist during that time
@@sambognosis1433which ones the Chets and Victor's that would be injured on day one playing against a prime Shaq?
Yall better be blessed yall ain’t got torched with 25 3s in a game…. Dog we’ve had beast. 2000s had better centers than the 90s junior and that’s facts. 2000, 80,90,70s
@@sambognosis1433MJ, VC, Kemp, Nique, Orlando version of Shaq etc were freak athletes
Love KGs take on this, he only knows one way to speak: TRUTH!!!
Was watching highlights of Bernard King yesterday, he would kill in this game how it is now
Watched highlights of Steph and Kyrie tonight. They would lock them up for witch craft if they played back in the day.
@@kjjr3270 😂
I think that’s “the era” he was referring to as essentially ‘skilless’ until bird magic Isaiah etc. BUT IT WASNT… HES@FOOL.
KG spoke nothing but facts. Today's player ain't even "skilled", only thing they can do is iso ball and shoot 3s, is that skill? please
That's like saying all players could do back in the day is shoot mid range and close shots...is that skill? Stop that nonsense both are skilled in their generations
It’s not skill it’s athleticism.
Can't be more wrong.
That's not true. The players today would be able to play back then.
Huhh you just said today’s player not skilled so kyrie not skilled??
im with kg
Edwards is just in his bag but K.G. is talking facts !
How?
@@ROLLUP424kg feeling hurt he the same guy started that rumor about LBJ on steroids now he eating a mile of LBJ 💩
@@ROLLUP424 Clean your ears out & listen clearly ...
@@KingGazaRadio823 I did… did nothing but yap like a baby
Yeah, but he did it in a ridiculously immature way just as much as ae
If they better today why they always hurt?
Plus why they act like punks don’t wanna play all 82 games but rather load management
They got hurt in every era.
@@chrisrobinson8339kg is flip flopper same guy said LBJ is on steroids now he eats a mile of he's 💩
@@TashaOneal-l8hHe was being sarcastic. That is clear as day. You want it to be true so you can’t see that.
Bodies have more miles on them coming into the league. You have to move more on offense and defense in today’s game. Clear as day when you compare film.
“I don’t think anyone in this league today could play 20 years ago”, idk why each time it’s said it sounds even crazier that lebron played way back then and also in this generation, he’s probably played through the greatest talent and game change jump ever, and through it all has always been a top 5ish guy (we’re talking like 05-2022)
@Frank-nz1wr old school/new school doesn't matter Bron still giving you 27 7 7 guy just adapts and keeps it movin. Glad I got to witness this from the jump
That actually KGs point. He would just say the game got easier.
They definitely could. Talent is talent and skill is skill. Its adaptable/ adjustable
He obviously didn't mean LBJ.
Ant-Man still made the much mote embarrassing statement.
KG isn't referring to the players that played in both eras, obviously.
Almost all of them can play in any era. Just don't know if numbers will translate.
Gotta look at which rules they are playing with. Are they wearing those horrible Chuck Taylor's or the newer shoe.. a lot would go into whether or not today's "youth" could compete against/with the previous generation(s).
It's harder to play with your back to the basket than it is to shoot 3s. Playing in the post requires more skills than shooting 3s.
Thats just not true. Lying like that is actually embarassing.
@@kjjr3270 Explain because you sound dumb. When you post up you can't even see the basket while being guarded. You actually need moves to score in the post. Whether you turn over either shoulder to shoot, utilize a drop step, hook shot, etc. Just even getting post position is a skill. Passing out of the post is a skill. Please elaborate on how simply shooting 3s is more nuanced and takes more "skills". I'll wait...
Correct. Especially when you're not really allowed to play defense.
bruh the players in the 80s and 90s had closer 3 pt line and collectively shot 31% lol. They would think steph curry is a wizard shooting 40% from three with huge amounts of shots taken per game
so true, its why every team is full of steph currys but there's only one tall gangly slow embiid.................................
Thank you for giving an LOGICAL answer
21 and was winded like a 38-year-old veteran 😂 in the conference finals.
Well you try winning a 7 game series against the defending champs Denver AND having to score most of the points. Dumb casual
@@JanPeterSpecht-jf9pg not the heir to Jordan 😂😂 see exit in the first round next year. Minnesota doesn't win championships dumb casual.
@@JanPeterSpecht-jf9pgGot beat by a guy who not athletic at all can’t even jump over a penny
@@choppabrown3741don’t have to be athletic when you have skill, prime example Zach Randolph
@choppabrown3741 the team got beat, not him. He isn't superman.
Thanks Windy the point I always make about eras
First it's insane how Molly slick capped "he ONLY won 1 MVP." There have been 4,800 players league history only 36 ppl have ever won MVP. Put some respect on his name. Secondly the answer is probably some either way. It's a different time period both ways...so sick of these comparisons that are impossible to resolve lol.
forreal lol I heard that little jab she threw, some players back then can't play this era and some players this era can't play back then. it's not worth comparing unless they talk about trophies and mvp
She wasn't dissing him, she was just being specific....KG that 🥷🏿
She wasn't dissing, at 0:09 she accidentally said 2-time MVP so she was just quickly adding in a correction. I thought it was a slight too.
@@PengxueYGShe was correcting her earlier statement that said he was a 2x MVP
@@PengxueYGso what kg is flip flapper
Respect is earned not giving
Windy said it perfectly. This whole disrespect of the old era & the current era is wack. The great players would adjust to either era IMO.
Saying MJ was the only guy skilled in the 90s is ridiculous & untrue on so many levels.
He wasn’t the only skilled person but the gap between mj an a lot of players in the 90s is so large that it’s ridiculous lol. He himself wasn’t even a 3pt threat
@Stunt877 MJ is widely considered the GOAT. Of course there was a gap. Yes he nor most of the league weren't focused on threes like today. But 3 Point Shooting isn't the only skill lol.
@@michaelrandall6184 Exactly, different eras called for different skill sets. 80s and 90s ball was mainly mid range, low post, half court offense. Hence why the most dominate big men, in NBA history, played during that time period. Today, it's mainly three point shooting, isolation, PnR, with less physicality. Hence why players can average 30 PPG more often now, since they are living at the free throw line or jacking up threes all game. I don't understand why people continue to overlook this.
@@jreelthe leader in mid range field goal attempts this season was Demar DeRozan at 6.9. In 03-04 (KGs MVP season) it was Jamal Mashburn with 11.6, KG was 2nd at 10.9. DeRozan would have been 19th if he played back then. Just some context on how the game has changed.
That gap would be even bigger if MJ played now. Most people believe he would average more today. And when it comes to competitive mentality...forget it, he would destroy this league
young generations disrespecting the past is the problem in America
The old heads disrespect them all the time don’t be sensitive now
Passing off blame and lack of accountability is almost always the chief problem whenever anything falls short/fails. The reality is, the younger generation will vy qnd laege do as they're raised to do. So it's on the previous generation for bringing the new generation up to be what they are.
Because yall ruined the country lol
@jerrodgarland2604 you never suppose to disrespect your elders in real life and sports. They paved the way...
@@sportsbesthighlightschanne1052 cope
KG told the truth! Straight real talk...
It’s actually crazy how much defense has been hindered by new rules throughout the last 12 yrs. NBA n NFL it’s bad
adapt and overcome is the name of the game.
Triple Step Back Is CALLED A TRAVEL
20 Years Ago.. BOTTOM LINE.. 😂🤣😂
Respect KG!
If the full clip, KG actually cooked. That small segment makes it seem like the older generation hating on the youth, but in it, he explains how the standard for being a top 5 player was much higher than a top 5 player today is. Like, the gap between a group of guys like Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Kobe, and KG have in league with Nash, Ray Allen, AI, and them guys is much greater than the gap that a group like Luka, Jokic, Embiid, Shai, and Ant have with their respective contemporaries. The level of talent, because it’s so common nowadays, makes the gap from top 5, which was once like the difference between lemonade and apple juice, is more like comparing lemonade and lemon juice.
The older generation ALWAYS hating on the younger generation! That's why the younger generation don't have respect for them
Why bother when someone like Ant makes ridiculous comments the older generation played the game much better then them young kids do anyway. @@sholovesholove4620
@@sholovesholove4620speak they only eats a mile of LBJ 💩
Kevin spoke the truth‼️💯
100% these players today are NOT as good
They are better lil bro. Accept that.
you literally can’t double in the 80s without leaving your man wide open lol. That was literally in the rules
Yes they are. Stop being a hater…..
@@kjjr3270 NO. They're more ATHLETIC, not "better". They have NO desire to win, poor fundamentals, no defence, no capacity to play in a PROPER POSITIONED highly defensive basketball game, no capacity to handle possessions without all the space they want. Why on earth do you think guys come over from Europe, openly laugh and EXCEL in the modern NBA? Its a CAKEWALK for them, and with good reason.
Real talk!!!
You ain’t gotta know basketball to be good at basketball Anthony Edwards is proof.
This might be the smartest take I’ve ever heard from Stephen A
A few guys today play physical and would've been ok. LeBron would've been a beast in any era. Maybe Ant. Tatum would've just been some other dude though.
He wouldn’t have been able to play how he plays today. He would have a been a different kind of Lebron
@@manuelanthony7256h literally played 20 years ago…
@@manuelanthony725620 years ago was 2004, LeBron was in the league
@@quentinjones6877 the original comment that I commented on was about Lebron being a beast in any era not 20 years ago
@@manuelanthony7256 my mistake
Windy's take perfectly sums it up. Players will evolve and play within the rules they are given.
Probably what Lebron was telling Ant all summer long. You hear that everyday for 2-3 months its going to stick.
"Btw he only won 1 MVP" looool get Molly off the show. Getting even 1 MVP is a big deal.
Gotta be specific with the facts
She was correcting herself, not dissing him. At 0:09 she accidentally said 2-time MVP.
Most the multiple time mvp awards mean nothing anyway
and no, you can definitely say that older generations are not better, they are SMALLER. size matters. in the 60's Shaq will eat all of them alive. they were just small.
People like to argue that the players today are faster, more skilled, or more athletic or w/e, but that's not true. The players today are the exact same as the players 20 - 30 years ago. The only thing that's changed are the rules
Wouldn't quite say that.
On the skills part, you forgot to add that the rules today factor to what players can do compared to what is allowed years ago.
The Long Jump Olympic record is from 1968....I don't know what these clowns are talking about...
KG was 100% right, it’s idiotic to not show full context. KG brought up coaching, rules, play style, culture. So you can’t put Ant in the past or MJ in the present and really asume that they’d dominate the league. Neither of them wouldn’t because their style of play wouldn’t work with the era. No one said they couldn’t learn and adapt but just putting them in a different era isn’t going to be an immediate domination (if there would be any at all).
90s players could stop all these modern days' skills with their hands, elbows and forearms, ask the Glove and Mailman and McHale, respectively.
You don’t even realize you’re stupid. That’s fouling
That's real talk, I looked at the 1980s- early 1990s Celtic team with Kevin Mchale and Robert Parish. They looked like beast come to 'not playing Basketball,'but to eat you alive.
Glorifying fouling? Tf outta here
@@kjjr3270 no defense ? Tf outta here.
That’s not real defense slamming and elbowing people is not real defense hand checking is cool but that other stuff is wild . I get it 80s 90s and even a little bit of 2000s was physical but your crazy if you think some of the today players like Zion ant man Nikola Jokić bam bron and KD etc couldn’t play back then
I started watching basketball in the mid 2000's and KG is not lying.
There’s definitely more skill players nowadays. But MJ wasn’t the only skilled player back in the day
What skills ? Skill of bending rules ?
Skills cannot be measured by number of offensive moves, john stockton skills are elite over jamal Crawford, jamal have deep bag of moves but stock skills is masterclass
They have been talking about this for a good two weeks!
a "triple step back" is a f'ing travel. KG is 100 percent right
Tf is a triple step back?
@@kjjr3270what James harden Stephen curry Paul George do
Most of guys doing this
@@rageliife they don't do that, you just making stuff up bro
Respect the people who came before you, if it wasn't for them you wouldn't be who you are today, kid needs to learn respect and humility
Despite living in an inflationary economy, Edwards doesnt know that just because pringles were worth 40 cents in 1990 and worth 199 cents today doesnt mean pringles have extra nutrition…inflation…
The “inflation” in the athletes example is called better nutrition, salaries, doctors, etc…all these things allow the modern athlete to do more
1000% agree with you, I was thinking the same thing.
Someone earning $30k back in the day seems like peanuts when you compare to someone earning $300k today, but $30k back in 1924 for example, was actually worth over half a million dollars, (buying power adjusted to inflation).
The truth is, we’ll never really now how good some players would be if we adjusted their game to the inflation of a different era, so all generations should respect each other, old and new. Ant man was wrong because he put no thought into his comment.
@@GoatMeal365 def agree with you…its just so short sighted man…and i personally cut athletes slack coz their focus is in their performance but edwards should at least know that he doesnt know AND should therefore avoid under stating the prior athletes skillset.
Great analogy.
Game has Evolved... Old school has to come to terms with this and Honor and praise the Skills this gen Does have.... & Young stars have to respect the way the game is coming from.
Has there ever been a generation that has disrespected the past greats like this generation? I dont believe ive ever heard fans disrespect the past greats, this generation is something different, totally soft and totally disrespectful
Yeap this generation is unique in the way it handles things. It's probably the effect of social media and the brain rot it causes
I agree with KG they don’t have the mindset to deal with the back of the day rules Bestie 90s 80s
Stephen a. Si a smart analyst
The same goes for Russell and Wilt and Oscar. Denigrating Russell as you all have done is this coming back to haunt you all.
Wilt is the GOAT. Take a time machine and put prime Wilt into any NBA era and he is the best player of that era.
KG speakin facts ..
Bro how long is ESPN going to be blowing this out of proportion… Ant was NOT referring to KG at all when he made that statement… he said Michael Jordans era… KG came after MJ so why is he going so hard about Ant’s statement and why is ESPN leading it on?
Because KG came in the league in ‘95 and still played against a lot of those guys from the MJ era that Ant is talking about
@@KDubb-ws9zc true I just feel like it isn’t KG’s place to speak on this, any player that was in their prime in the 2000s they belong to the Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, Tim Duncan era and ANT is very well aware of who they are.
@@enzorr1098maybe but he’s on record for saying all he watched was KD. I don’t know if you count the back end of the 2000s as part of it
@@MrDennismcgaskey sheeshhh he can’t be that young he’s only 5 years younger than me 😂🤧
@@enzorr1098Who cares if Ant wasn't referring to Garnett specifically?
His statement claims that Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, Julius Erving, and countless others weren't skilled. It's ridiculous.
This was a great segment especially from Windy
Windy can't speak the truth on the air, he wants to make living.
Todays game is the weakest era of all time in terms of the rules and no defense
It really ain't, its just more developed
@@kjjr3270 no it’s the weakest era because you touch someone it’s a foul offensive players are able to move around easier to be able to score easier that’s weak . The only thing that’s more developed is shooting 3s
@@kjjr3270okay tiny Brain incel
but lebron played 20 years ago and was averaging 25 at the age of 20
Only the strong survive! You had to be mentally and physically tough to make it in the 1980s-2000s.
Yeah so tough that 5’3 Mugsy was in the league. Plus a lot of those players in the 80s looked like stick figures…….yeah…..real tough.
These old heads started this. They knock younger players and don’t expect they going to come back at them
Who knocked Ant Man before he said what he said?
Ant's cheerleader, today's generations supposed be better, humans keep improving in every field. Don't disrespect the past.
None of the older guys said that no one today has any skill. I like Anthony Edwards, but he had one of the most boneheaded takes of all time.
Watch the full clip of KG & Paul Pierce talking. They made so many more meaningful points than was discussed on first take. KG is vastly correct in his response to Ant. He didn’t just say “guys couldn’t play”. He said a lot more about the difference in play style, and even touched on the difference in the hunger for the game. Watch it, it was great.
Ant better chill before he becomes the new Noah Lyles. He's starting to talk a little too loose now.
Noah was telling the truth though. A national championship can't be a world championship. You don't need a high IQ to figure that out
KG also spoke on how you would have to remember plays back then. When it wasn’t having your PG or SG dribbling for 20 seconds and shooting a long three
Is that all we talk about is the 3 point shot. Ant avg 26 ppg in 3pt and no defense era. That would look like 15-20 ppg in hand check physical era of the 90s.
"No defense era", "3pt era". Nice try old head, but fouling has nothing to do with defense.
@@kjjr3270 nobody fouled out from handchecking back in the day. Could you imagine today’s players getting molested.
This is SAS's best take in a LOOOOONG time.
it was the old nba players who started criticizing the young nba plyers first,
all Anthony Edwards did was pretty much say something critical back at the old nba players in return
stop it
@@sportsbesthighlightschanne1052 stop what ?
Negative, JJ Reddick started tossing shots across the bow calling them bus drivers and plumbers. What JJ Reddick do at the highest level, nothing.
Man knock it off.
@@otiscarlwhite8745tbf he’s one of the most accurate shooters in NBA history. And people barely dribbled or finished with their off hand until the late 80’s. Ant man might not have watched those games from the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s but a lot of young people do. There are full games from back then on RUclips. And those games are very hard to watch, 90% of the league sucked bad.
KG said a lot more than that. They going off a 1 minute clip when KG spoke for about 5 to 10 minutes explaining his point.
@:09
Dam ESPN, even though it’s small. It matters. KG is not a two time mvp. Do your hw! This is why we dislike debate formats
She corrected her self Mr perfect
@@snupedummy thanks for saying I’m perfect. Wish you had the same energy for yourself
@@sainikjr I’m sure you have a job too tho nobody says they don’t like what you do cuz you make a mistake lighten up
@@snupedummysports debating is an awful format. You should lighten up and see what makes yourself perfect. I’ll mentor you
@@sainikjr 😭 touch grass
We need both generations to learn from one another to move the sport & society forward
These old guys are delusional. This conversation will stop when they die out
all of us
Everyone dies.
😂😂😂😂
Clown
I cannot believe it, I agree with an S.A.S take! Perfectly reworded KG's take! Props!
Brian Windhorst explained it perfectly, its a dumd argument to make yourself feel better.
If your only argument is physical people are only soft because the game is soft, if the game is physical people would be physical.
All generations can play with each other, the league was harder back then because it was more physical but its equally as hard now because players are more talented.
But just like Lebron, Chris Paul, KD, Russ played since 03/08 when the league was physical and still playing today because the adapted others would as well.
AI said once he would average 40 today, no he would not because the modern day version of AI is Kyrie. Its just something to make yourself feel good.
yawn
NBA is the only sport that always talk about the pass so much can the new generation have they shine dam.
Modern day Olympics shows that old school 90s/2000s players are better. Best player in World is Jokic, Team Serbia and more are better than Team USA as the world plays physical 90s basketball with mostly unknowns except Jokic and a few stars in Olympics. Curry bailed Team USA out otherwise everyone knows USA would have lost. Ant did nothing against random Serbia men.
Truth is back in the day you would make it to the goal
Check this they were real back then , real brothers , real men …feeding families and such….
The best thing S.A. ever said
4:26 EXACTLY
When Stephen talked about how the rules basically benefits the offensive players...same can be said about jordan in the 80's vs 90's rules ....when it was hand checking and more physical 0 rings and first rounds exists ...no hand checking less physical 6 rings ...so we tailor information to fit the story help fit the story of your favorite player benefit
Imagine Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen saying no QB back in the day had any skill except Dan Marino😭 If Edwards had any amount of wisdom, he would be reaching out and picking the brain of these past greats and champions, like Kobe did, instead of discrediting what they did in and for the game.
The problem is that you have middle aged NBA players also disrespecting the past, like JJ Redick. So this generation sees it and thinks its okay to be disrespectful to the past.
KG goes into nuance in the long conversation
Windy finally saying what needs to be said. The game has changed and the players wouldve adapted to the times
Change doesn't mean better, a big man shooting 3s is a terrible style and not efficient and its a fact, look at Karl Towns he shot good in 3s in regular season but come playoffs time he is so mediocre and not effective
I completely disagree with Windy. Sometimes you have to match energy and Ant's comments were completely disrespectful and ignorant. I think KG matched that energy by sending a message inna manner that would get his attention.
Most big guys today can't play with their back-to-the-basket. That physicality came with skills. If KG, who played like that, doesn't see that today, he's right. There are two big guys that can do it well in the whole association. None of these guys today can stop the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA, Wilt Chamberlain. He ran a 4.6 40-yard dash at 7’ tall. He was a fast, high-jumping powerhouse (maybe the strongest in league history, ask Arnold) with great endurance. That was his athletic ability to be paired with basketball skills. That unstoppable turnaround fadeaway associated with “The Big Fundamental” Tim Duncan, you watch highlights of Wilt doing it. His athletic ability, physicality, and skill would be too much for big guys today. He would probably be as dominant today as he was in the 60s. I don't know about the '90s (Ewing, Mourning, Robinson, The Dream, and Shaq), but today, for sure. Remember, he got a lot of easy baskets by beating the other team’s center down the court. In a less physical game like today's, I don't know what stops him or slows him down.
you know you've made a name for yourself when First Take dedicates a whole segment to an insignificant statement you made, because its the summer is slow for sports.
The bottom line is that each era plays the way that the rules dictate that it be played. The players of today are not more athletic than players of the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. It’s just that the rules have changed so that “freedom of movement” allows players to better showcase their athleticism. Three point shooting and floor spacing is emphasized so that is how teams play. The downside is that players, for the most part, don’t have an elite mid range game or low post game anymore. The art of interior passing has fallen by the wayside and players do not run the fast break like they used to.
Do yall know how good a player like john starks would be if he had "freedom of movement" and could carry and travel?..
Ant Man’s comments are kind of disrespectful to MJ too. He’s basically saying MJ had no ‘skilled’ comp 😂, he was just a little ahead of the game’s evolutionary curve, skill-wise
I like Windy answer, so Thank you, isn´t fair compare between era, its better enjoy every era
Get out your feelings KG 🗣️ thank you Stephen A Smith the stars today could play back in the day.
You gotta watch the whole clip…. He puts it into context
2:48 FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS BASKETBALL. THANK YOU GOD
They was fighting back in the 80-90 that’s not playing defense
stop it