You cannot call yourself "Open-source" if you are only releasing the documentation/schematics/code upon successful product release. If it is not currently unavailable, you are not open-source. You are asking people for money for this project, with a "trust me, bro" that this will be an open-source project. there are no guarantees or obligations for it to happen.
Pilet is still in development and is not finalized yet. Our goal is to release the source once it is ready and product is released. Developing hardware is far more expensive than software and requires funding which for a small tram like us is absolutely essential.
That's why open-source projects are made by community around it, and not a small closed team in a need of funding... Source-available does not mean open-source, those are different apporaches. Trying to sell one thing as another may cause some marketing problems.
@@tozpeak It’s common practice in open-source hardware to release the source after the product launch (just look at projects like JetKVM). This approach lets us focus on finalizing the product and ensuring its commercial viability before making the design files available.
The source of open-source software is available when the software is published. Same goes for open-source hardware. The promise to release the source upon release is perfectly logical. If they release the blueprints and source before the product release of a commercial product, they basically shoot themselves in the foot
Im so excited for this thing it really looks great. I think it just needs to get out there in peoples hands more than anything, everybody has so many great ideas I hope this form factor and style catches on. My idea was a math input keyboard but that would need specially printed keycaps so probably out of the wheel house for now. I wonder if you could talk with the guys that at clockwork pi about how they did their keyboard that would be cool, I really like that theirs has the space bar in the middle. Their layout feels a lot more natural except for the enter and delete keys but I know ur using an off the shelf keyboard so that kind of makes up for it and keeps the cost down which I like.
Looks great, I love the aesthetic. Nm the doubters, as long as the code is out when released, you’re good to go. It might help to have the extra feedback, but sometimes that can be overwhelming if you don’t have enough teammates
Many people see handheld computers like this as terminal playgrounds. It's fun to be able to have a linux terminal easily available at any time. It could also be used for quick penetration testing or editing code. Many possibilities.
Being very cool looking is super important for some people... I really dig it too... BUT For practicality I can have a cheap single board, a phone, a tablet and a laptop for the price of this one device... and do more... and do it better. I use phone boards with custom software for projects regularly as they are super small, cheap, powerful, and energy efficient. Especially for radio repeaters, encrypted communication, and testing. For things that don't need crazy power and need IO other than USB, a cheap single board is great. For BSD and *nix work, especially terminal. A tablet with a proper keyboard OR ,even more flexible, a laptop, is infinitely more practical. This is hella cool, but does not meet my personal use cases.
We were all set to launch the campaign in late November or December, but with the holidays, it didn’t feel like the best timing. So, we’re kicking things off in early January, before the 10th.
It's still a "trust me bro" guarantee. No one cares if your project is unfinished, people do care if you claim that there are "downloadable files" and you don't actually provide anything at the moment. Just release what you have at the moment, it's not that big of a deal, no one will seriously judge considering the large scope of the project
@@heyb0ssihabecancer516 It’s common practice in open-source hardware to release the source after the product launch. This approach helps make the project financially viable and ensures we can complete the product. Other open-source hardware projects, like JetKVM, have followed the same path.
You guys are being pedantic. You can’t expect them to write “Pilet: To-Be-Opensourced-After-the-Product-Release Raspberry Pi Modular Computer”. It’s not practical and doesn’t fit in any title space.
@@parthsharma3528they have promised to open source upon release. Even in open source software world the code is available only after the software is published.
@@ԜЕТ where did they ask for money? their kickstarter hasn't started yet. Once this product is out and it's not open-source then we can complain about it.
Why won’t you buy a uconsole? Just curious… I think they look neat, but everything I want to do on a cli, I want a full keyboard, on account of my RSI…
@SeanPorterPDX because they took my money, and after months of waiting for my order, they decided to supply other vendors rather than deliver to customers. So I demanded a refund and will not do business with them. If you order one, expect to wait over a year. I won't.
looks like something out of a 90s sci-fi anime. I dig the vibe, but I don't really see it as something practical when you compare it to modern smartphones, tablets and laptops
@@bangarang0002 Buy a pi, print a case, put the pi in the case, hook up a screen and peripheries, install OS and whatever other packages you want.... done.
@@bangarang0002 you buy a cheap screen for your sbc and create a cool 3d printable enclosure for it. and if you don't own a printer yourself, you send your stl print files to one of the various online print services.
How easy would it be to replace the SBC? I would be interested if I could put a LattePanda in it, Raspberry Pi aint strong enough for most of what I would use it for.
@@soulscircuit how the hell is this "open source" and also based on raspberry pi...? both rpi and arm are closed platforms my dude... put a RISC-V in there or something at least or it'll be a children's toy
Did you change the fact that the ports are literally in the palm of your left hand when you hold it like normal? How is anyone even supposed to use that when you can't hold it normally when the ports are filled? That's the most awkward design flaw that was so easy to fix.
Yes, we’re relocating the ports to the upper half of the Pilet. Initially, they were at the lower half due to design constraints from the touchscreen IPS panel and other electronics in the first prototype. Once those issues were resolved, the move became feasible.
no idea why so many people here cant wrap their heads around the idea of the source code not being available until the machine is finalized. good luck with your kickstarter, this thing looks sick
Especially for a community backed project. No community if you just try to make one overnight on a promise. Also, these Chinese devices are notoriously hard to get open source software from, as are their drivers. I hope that isn't the case here, but usually the drivers are the worst part. Chinese seem to do development much differently and think that dropping the code in a zip is a repo that's open source Concerning, but I hope they end up being successful nonetheless
I'm undecided whether to get this one or Rastipi case when they release a compatible one with Raspi Official Touch Display 2. I guess, I'll let my wallet do the talking.😅
Pilet includes a built-in battery and battery module, making it truly portable-unlike Raspcase, which is just a case. Plus, the Raspberry Pi Touch Display 2 features extremely thick bezels, making it less portable.
The PCBs are designed in KiCad, and all schematics and PCB files will be available for download once finalized. Additionally, CAD and STEP files will also be provided for download.
What we will get for donations? You say open-source and then talk in comments about custom hardware. So the hardware will be open-source but necessary to be purchased from you to make this device working?
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I mean I'm ok if you guy sell these and don't publish any schematic I'm gonna buy it anyway if it in reasonably price, but don't call it open source just for marketing or propagannda.
What use cases are you targeting? I do not see the point of programming, or general development on such a small device. Field testing and diagnostics, sure! Or a portable oscilloscope. Unless it is an affordable computer for low-income groups, then it is a noble goal!
Pilet’s made for STEM learners, casual computing, and tinkering with hardware and software. It’s basically the Raspberry Pi ecosystem on the go. Build your projects and take them anywhere instead of being stuck at your desk.
You cannot call yourself "Open-source" if you are only releasing the documentation/schematics/code upon successful product release. If it is not currently unavailable, you are not open-source. You are asking people for money for this project, with a "trust me, bro" that this will be an open-source project. there are no guarantees or obligations for it to happen.
Pilet is still in development and is not finalized yet. Our goal is to release the source once it is ready and product is released. Developing hardware is far more expensive than software and requires funding which for a small tram like us is absolutely essential.
Just listen to what the guy said.@@soulscircuit
@@soulscircuitlearn to take correction rather than proving a point
That's why open-source projects are made by community around it, and not a small closed team in a need of funding...
Source-available does not mean open-source, those are different apporaches. Trying to sell one thing as another may cause some marketing problems.
@@tozpeak It’s common practice in open-source hardware to release the source after the product launch (just look at projects like JetKVM). This approach lets us focus on finalizing the product and ensuring its commercial viability before making the design files available.
Looks cool, now I just need to think of what I can use it for.
The source of open-source software is available when the software is published. Same goes for open-source hardware. The promise to release the source upon release is perfectly logical. If they release the blueprints and source before the product release of a commercial product, they basically shoot themselves in the foot
Good bot 🤖
Now this project is SUS
@@powershot9933 bot or not, my argument still stands. care to actually answer it?
Not really, the code of OSS is open, even in the beginning. Even the whole development stage is open, thats kind of part of the idea.
But you can develop something and make it open source later, why not
Shot in your knee? Because open source Software is so super commercial? :D think about it
The design- Next Level
Saw a DAW in there...therefore I gots2 know more
Look nice.. waiting the schematic
Really love the plasma mobile interface on the device! Awesome work, man
Looks like a cool project, good luck with the Kickstarter campaign!
Thanks so much
I need this, please release it asap!
looks incredible
Im so excited for this thing it really looks great. I think it just needs to get out there in peoples hands more than anything, everybody has so many great ideas I hope this form factor and style catches on. My idea was a math input keyboard but that would need specially printed keycaps so probably out of the wheel house for now. I wonder if you could talk with the guys that at clockwork pi about how they did their keyboard that would be cool, I really like that theirs has the space bar in the middle. Their layout feels a lot more natural except for the enter and delete keys but I know ur using an off the shelf keyboard so that kind of makes up for it and keeps the cost down which I like.
RII or another brand it looks nearly the same has a backlit model that might also be of interest unless its what your already using
Thanks so much. We're completely revamping the keyboard design. work in progress.
Looks great, I love the aesthetic. Nm the doubters, as long as the code is out when released, you’re good to go. It might help to have the extra feedback, but sometimes that can be overwhelming if you don’t have enough teammates
Honestly, other than it being very cool looking, what is the use case for it ?
Many people see handheld computers like this as terminal playgrounds. It's fun to be able to have a linux terminal easily available at any time. It could also be used for quick penetration testing or editing code. Many possibilities.
portable SDR
Being very cool looking is super important for some people... I really dig it too...
BUT
For practicality I can have a cheap single board, a phone, a tablet and a laptop for the price of this one device... and do more... and do it better.
I use phone boards with custom software for projects regularly as they are super small, cheap, powerful, and energy efficient. Especially for radio repeaters, encrypted communication, and testing. For things that don't need crazy power and need IO other than USB, a cheap single board is great.
For BSD and *nix work, especially terminal. A tablet with a proper keyboard OR ,even more flexible, a laptop, is infinitely more practical.
This is hella cool, but does not meet my personal use cases.
Any word as to when the Kickstarter goes live? I was expecting it to be in November. I don’t want to sleep on it.
We were all set to launch the campaign in late November or December, but with the holidays, it didn’t feel like the best timing. So, we’re kicking things off in early January, before the 10th.
Instantly I think " Could it have a large screen and BT Keyboard choices? I mean its cool
OMG, what a beauty!
I'll be following this closely
If it makes it to retail, I'll buy one.
Will be sick if the trackball is enjoyable to use out of the box.
it's beautiful
I love the retro vibe, good luck on the fundraiser. When you share more details, I will certainly back you up.
If it’s open source where is the GitHub repository?
Our repository is linked on our website, and the source code will be released once the product is finalized.
It's still a "trust me bro" guarantee. No one cares if your project is unfinished, people do care if you claim that there are "downloadable files" and you don't actually provide anything at the moment. Just release what you have at the moment, it's not that big of a deal, no one will seriously judge considering the large scope of the project
@@soulscircuit Will it have extra I/O like raspberries?
@@heyb0ssihabecancer516 It’s common practice in open-source hardware to release the source after the product launch. This approach helps make the project financially viable and ensures we can complete the product. Other open-source hardware projects, like JetKVM, have followed the same path.
@@swisstraengYes, Pilet includes all the I/O ports of the Raspberry Pi 5
You guys are being pedantic. You can’t expect them to write “Pilet: To-Be-Opensourced-After-the-Product-Release Raspberry Pi Modular Computer”. It’s not practical and doesn’t fit in any title space.
It's solely their fault lol. If you, as an "open-source" product company, aren't open sourced yet, you are NOT an open-source product company.
@@parthsharma3528they have promised to open source upon release. Even in open source software world the code is available only after the software is published.
@@parthsharma3528their aim is to be open source, stating their final goal is crucial for their achievement..
But.. they aren't open source, and they're claiming they are, while asking for money.
@@ԜЕТ where did they ask for money? their kickstarter hasn't started yet. Once this product is out and it's not open-source then we can complain about it.
Its real nice, hope its affordable for everyone
its powered by the raspberry pi 5 so its not gonna be that expensive
The pi 5 itself is not exactly affordable sadly
@@gluttonousmaximus9048 lol are you serious?
@@yossarian00 $80 isn’t exactly cheap. It’s not EXPENSIVE, but it’s right on that line.
@@toshibe2805 That's super cheap in the context of computers/phones what are you on
I hope this will actually be open source one day.
You have my interest.
Especially considering I will not buy a Uconsole.
Why won’t you buy a uconsole? Just curious… I think they look neat, but everything I want to do on a cli, I want a full keyboard, on account of my RSI…
@SeanPorterPDX because they took my money, and after months of waiting for my order, they decided to supply other vendors rather than deliver to customers. So I demanded a refund and will not do business with them. If you order one, expect to wait over a year. I won't.
I’ll believe in this project only after they start shipping successfully!
I am so old I thought it was an 80's style mini computer... like DEC or something.
looks like something out of a 90s sci-fi anime. I dig the vibe, but I don't really see it as something practical when you compare it to modern smartphones, tablets and laptops
This is a cool project. But what sets this apart from something like the clockwork pi uconsole?
I like these small, portable, handheld computers, but the uConsole seems better-looking to me.
Can't imagine how painful it would be to code on that small keyboard and screen.
Its really cool ,for a phone case
Productivity is out the window with this toy
Looks cool! What license will the hardware design be under?
Still under consideration, but most likely CERN-OHL-P
yellow-ish white plastic was pure white in the beginning - then turned yellow over the years
This looks really nice i am thinking to build one myself using raspberry Pi
How? PLS tell me how BCS I can't wait that this come out
@@bangarang0002 Buy a pi, print a case, put the pi in the case, hook up a screen and peripheries, install OS and whatever other packages you want.... done.
@@bangarang0002 you buy a cheap screen for your sbc and create a cool 3d printable enclosure for it. and if you don't own a printer yourself, you send your stl print files to one of the various online print services.
What's the planned battery lifetime gonna be during "normal" use
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Roughly 2 to 3 years.
The “☝️🤓 erm this isn’t open source” comments make me want to buy this out of spite. Also it looks cool
Nobody cares. Go buy it then.
This was just an advert. I expected a video. With words.
I hope this will be available in the US, this thing looks cool.
Absolutely, we’ll offer global shipping.
daa
How easy would it be to replace the SBC? I would be interested if I could put a LattePanda in it, Raspberry Pi aint strong enough for most of what I would use it for.
Beautiful! Good luck with the kickstarter
New Fallout coming?
can you give us the predicted price range of it?
When is the kickstarter going live?
Also are you using the CM5?
Early January. Pilet is based on Pi5
How do you even fit a raspberry pi 5 inside that slim case? 🤨
We've carefully arranged the battery module and IPS panel to make the design as slim as possible.
@ interesting 👀
@@soulscircuit how the hell is this "open source" and also based on raspberry pi...? both rpi and arm are closed platforms my dude... put a RISC-V in there or something at least or it'll be a children's toy
Will you be offering a bring your own pi version?
Surprised this uses a full size Raspberry Pi. What made you use that over the compute module?
cool project
I saw this on reddit
Did you change the fact that the ports are literally in the palm of your left hand when you hold it like normal? How is anyone even supposed to use that when you can't hold it normally when the ports are filled? That's the most awkward design flaw that was so easy to fix.
Yes, we’re relocating the ports to the upper half of the Pilet. Initially, they were at the lower half due to design constraints from the touchscreen IPS panel and other electronics in the first prototype. Once those issues were resolved, the move became feasible.
@@soulscircuit That is fantastic! Thank you for clarifying, very good engagement!
no idea why so many people here cant wrap their heads around the idea of the source code not being available until the machine is finalized. good luck with your kickstarter, this thing looks sick
We can. That's not the issue. The issue is calling the project open source when it's not.
Especially for a community backed project. No community if you just try to make one overnight on a promise. Also, these Chinese devices are notoriously hard to get open source software from, as are their drivers. I hope that isn't the case here, but usually the drivers are the worst part. Chinese seem to do development much differently and think that dropping the code in a zip is a repo that's open source
Concerning, but I hope they end up being successful nonetheless
7 inch one Looks like a laptop alternative for system admins!
I'm undecided whether to get this one or Rastipi case when they release a compatible one with Raspi Official Touch Display 2. I guess, I'll let my wallet do the talking.😅
I would personally go with the official, I'm waiting on the black 15in pi monitor for a project atm.
Pilet includes a built-in battery and battery module, making it truly portable-unlike Raspcase, which is just a case. Plus, the Raspberry Pi Touch Display 2 features extremely thick bezels, making it less portable.
i aint coding on that thang
cool but what's the main purpose of the device? Raspberry Pi 5 is more like a tinkering toy in terms of computing power
i want one
good luck with performance!
Please check out our previous video for overall performance: ruclips.net/video/bvV9h5kAPXw/видео.html
I see that you have modules... but do you have nodules?
I'll stick to my iPad, thank you very much.😅
Lots of choices in this market, the price will be the telling point. Im cautiously interested :)
Sick.
What do you mean it's open source? what are you running? where is the source code for it?
The PCBs are designed in KiCad, and all schematics and PCB files will be available for download once finalized. Additionally, CAD and STEP files will also be provided for download.
"will be available" and it's already open source. Just listen to yourself @soulscircuit
@@soulscircuit will it only be available to download if you have a successful kickstarter? or will DIY files be releasing no matter what?
What is the operating system here?
Did with raspberry pi?
raspberry pi 5
STEM here having the meaning of making drum and bass
"mini-computer"
Is it compatible with Vax or something?
The Turiya & Ramakrishna flip is utterly amoral. Foh.
is this like clockworks mini computer
What we will get for donations? You say open-source and then talk in comments about custom hardware. So the hardware will be open-source but necessary to be purchased from you to make this device working?
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Blender on a raspberry pi 5? Okay...
So this is for people who code like it's a game?
So you hate your eyesight? Say no more fam. It's cool though , i like the retro looks
My grandpa be like 🤨 can’t even see the word
😍😍😍😍
FAAAACK I need money :(
Myabe open but close-source yet
looks hella cool but kinda hard to use
I want this portable but it's not really open-source and much less a product.
Когда запустят в продажу???
Cool but seems to small to be practical
Хорошая ли там аудиокарта?
What is the music please?
So its like an android device
So another case for a raspberry pi?
Pilet comes with a built-in battery module making the raspberry pi 5 a fully portable device.
No come on, you’ve got to align those keys properly. How is anyone supposed to touch-type on that? Was it designed by a single-finger typer?
we are redesigning the keyboard layout. Pilet 5 is more ideal for thumb typing. Pilet 7 can be used with variety of keybaord modules.
Raspberry pi = pc? I thought x86 = PC?
I mean I'm ok if you guy sell these and don't publish any schematic I'm gonna buy it anyway if it in reasonably price, but don't call it open source just for marketing or propagannda.
Let me guess, $200?
Was this designed by Teenage Engineering?
🎉
if its open source then where is the code where are the stls where is the parts list.
They’ll be available for download once the design is finalized, as the product hasn’t been released yet.
What use cases are you targeting? I do not see the point of programming, or general development on such a small device. Field testing and diagnostics, sure! Or a portable oscilloscope.
Unless it is an affordable computer for low-income groups, then it is a noble goal!
Pilet’s made for STEM learners, casual computing, and tinkering with hardware and software. It’s basically the Raspberry Pi ecosystem on the go. Build your projects and take them anywhere instead of being stuck at your desk.
But why?
Maybe more accurate to call it "a computer we promise to open source once we get some money"
there already exist an uconsole
Yeah but if they match the price and are able to beat Clockwork on delivery times then I will drop my preorder that I'm waiting on still and get this.
Dumb question, but why does an open source project need a kickstarter?
We’re raising funds to develop the hardware, as creating hardware can be quite costly.
Hahaha only show you how thick it is for like 2 seconds 😆