Jeep Patriot Diesel - is it awful? Real Road Test!
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Far too much glamour lately, so here's a return to form! A leggy American 4x4 SUV with some Japanese DNA, powered by a Volkswagen diesel engine, with the interior build quality of a City Rover and built during the rather dreadful era of DaimlerChrysler. Must be dreadful, surely?
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In the U.S, these are just reliable enough that they're still on the road, but so bad that no one really wants to buy them. They've replaced the PT Cruiser as the go-to vehicle when you just need a running car and want to spend as little as possible.
How do they even give kbb values to these anyway? Toyotas stay so expensive but other brands drop like a rock. They say the value is based off of historical used car sale prices, but wouldn't the prices cars sell for already be affected by the KBB value? Then it would be an endless cycle of the KBB value changing the sale prices and the sale prices altering the KBB value n
"We can go anywhere a Ford Fiesta can go" - Love it!
"There's a lot of tissues in there, we won't ask questions" Absolutely hilarious 😂😂😂
Built for extreme on-roading! Good one Ian, and so accurate!
The automotive press hated the Jeep Patriot, but the people I know who've actually owned one were happy with it -- they just wish it got better fuel economy with the gas/petrol engines it came with here in the U.S., because styling a vehicle to look like a box on wheels unsurprisingly does not make it very aerodynamic.
A lot of comments saying how awful this car is. Yet here is one with 150k miles, nothing discernibly broken in the 'horrible' interior, or rattling/squeaking, ice cold air con, good ride over rough roads, comfortable seats. Can't see an awful lot wrong tbh, except for the loud diesel. BTW, love your channel, Kevin! ❤
Sadly I have patrol but my jeep patriot has been good to me . I've had it 2 years now. The only thing I had to do was replace the threattle body and a purge valve ( I bought it pre-owned). And the other only thing I hate about it is it is only front wheel drive.
I own a 2008 Jeep Patriot 2.0CRD Limited and I agree with what you have stated here. I enjoy driving the Jeep but it's not as nice as some of the competition. But at least it stands out and is quite reliable compared to its land rover equivalent
There's a lot more of them still running than the Jeep!
@@brianlaunchbury4491 also as a mechanic I've worked on alot more land rovers etc than Jeeps
@@modmonsterscarclub3594 maybe because there are a lot more Land Rovers in the UK than jeeps
@@Iansea1967 it's due to the rover k series engines and hydraulically operated 4 wheel drive systems. Both are very good when they work right but equally bad when they go wrong which is too often the case
Here in Canada I had a 2007 Jeep Compass 4x4 (same platform as the Patriot) with a 2.4L petrol and CVT it did 327,000 kms (203,000 miles) before we had to scrap it, best car we ever owned it and miss it. Oddly despite the cheap bland interior, the plastics held up pretty damn well and barley rattled plus the seats had little stress marks.
I had one of these and loved it. Only got rid due to getting the opportunity to trade it in for a nice 3 series BMW, but did really love the Patriot. Never had any problems in the 3 years I owned it.
Rural. Is an understatement. What lovely countryside.
Come for the underwhelming automobile, stay for the lush green fields.
@alastairward2774 Well, it is one way to see it. 😊
The Diesel (and manual transmission!) were forbidden fruit for us here in the home market. I encountered one of these things on the trail while Jeeping in Colorado. I specifically recall encountering a particularly nasty muddy dip in the trail, that the Patriot owner gingerly drove around. I was right behind him in a Wrangler JL Rubicon, so I just forged straight ahead 😂
A decent car for trailer pulling, isn’t it? Nice road test with the British humour I like so much…
They're nice and unique if you want something different, and quite practical too. But man do they have some issues, early models had major subframe problems both front and rear, ABS faults very common, oil pump issues resulting in an oil starved engine, turbo issues, power steering issues, rear arches rot in real-time whilst you look at them. It's a shame as if Chrysler had put just a bit more money into them they could have been great. Have one sat outside needing all of the above, can't bring myself to get rid but can't justify the cost either, it's one of those cars.
Very refreshing review Ian The 2.0 diesel were a little more refined than the 1.9TDI with 16 valves over the 8 . i recenly drove a 2.0 Golf and was totally bored . My 1.9 TDI from 98 is a tractor as they often seem to be from that era but i love its torque
Unlike their successors, the PD engines weren't hand grenades waiting to blow up.
I had the 2.0 PD 140 and that had some shove, sounded pretty horrible but had much more character than the CR replacement as you say.
The PD 130/150 is one of the best small diesel engines ever imo.
The newer CR140/170 is alot more refined as you stated but they don't come close to the reliability and bulletproof nature of the PD, they also aren't anywhere near as fun to drive
Especially with the sheer amount of aftermarket modifications available for the PD engine now a days.
Theres quite a few that are easily making 320hp with a few bolt ons and a tune.
I had the PD150 Leon Mk1 up until I went to an A5 3.0TDi & as much as I love the 3.0tdi especially how it sounds, I always miss driving the Leon!
Shame it got stolen whilst being worked on last year 😞
PD130 was the best
I had one of these on a 2008 plate. Slightly different, more angular interior and way more sound proofing. A decent vehicle really but the turbo blew inside 20k (replaced under warranty) then the engine spat it's dummy out at 62k!!! Sold for scrap after putting a claim in against Chrysler......which I won. Great vid and nice to see more of the average. Also Mrs hubnut, great camera work.
How can a vw engine fail so quickly?
VW reliability is a myth. Had a friend with a Skoda blow the diesel engine at 50k miles. Dealer said that was fair wear and tear!
I agree. I was told the VW PD130 turbodiesel was unburstable. I ended up with diesel runaway on the A1M after the turbo blew (it also had many more issues!) It had FSH and 74000 miles. I now have a Volvo D5 and it is better in every way. It has 200000 miles and has never been a bit of bother in the 10 years I've had it.
@@HubNut 50K was a lemon, they exist in all makes. These Vag diesel engines live happily in literally millions of high mileage cars. The 2.0 TDi PD 140 in my Audi Avant (like the one you reviewed a while back) is almost at a 1/4 of a million miles now. Very smooth and quiet too but that's down to sound deadening and more refined chassis, as you suggested - most diesels sound like tractors when the window is down - but in that cheap Jeep it's horrible! I changed the oil pump for a modified strengthened one - the only real weakness to them. (Same on the early Common rails, like this Jeep has - too short a hex shaft with weak materials) but that was at 230K, to be fair and the rest of the car is tight and good too. Long service intervals are the first thing that should be junked for life also. But agree that German invincible reliability and fine engineering is not always what its cracked up to be though.
I love it when Hubnut does a car review. Very informative and entertaining.
I love the phrase extreme on-roading 😂 perhaps jeep could use that in its marketing.
I love your driving impression videos. Especially on everyday vehicles like this. I'm impressed by its efficiency to be honest. That would actually be a great everyday vehicle. Would be interesting to know if your Falcon has more ground clearance though.
The centre passenger on the back seat has to be legless because their footwell is filled with cupholder, as thin as a lamppost because the seat and even the headrest are incredibly narrow but with incredibly long arms to reach the seatbelt that's next to the tailgate
Always know it's the height of summer when Hubnut gets those Sandals out again 😜
#Legend
Not my kind of vehicle, but it seems like a perfectly acceptable Freelander alternative.
The vehicle sums itself up neatly with one word on the tailgate...
LIMITED
My satnav took me up that steep hill the other week! I was surprised that our works 1 litre focus managed with ease although I was not sure I was going the right way!
We considered one back when they were new. That Fisher Price interior meant we never got further than seeing one in the showroom. Mind you, from memory the Outlander we checked out at the same time wasn’t much better. We couldn’t stretch to a Grand Cherokee, so opted for Mazda’s excellent CX-7. No regrets there.
This sort of car would be ideal for my job. I live in a rural area, have to use my own car for work, and have to go to wherever my customer’s house is located. The slightly tougher nature of this Jeep, and four wheel drive, would probably cope with whatever I threw at it. But because I’m not wise, I’ve bought a Mondeo instead; 2WD, large, and mostly unsuited to the unmade and narrow roads I often find myself on. I just can’t bring myself to buy an SUV, despite being someone who has a use case for one as a daily driver.
I had exactly the same problem. Also Ireland's punitive. (and illegal according to eu) car tax rates . Grand a year for a ranger
I cured it by getting a second hand fiat Panda 4x4 with slightly larger tyres than normal.whipped the back seats out for tools and I've never looked back .I'm on my first new shape one for the last 6 years. Its just as good as the old boxy one
Sometimes needs must and you have to be creative.!
Maybe something like a Volvo 4x4 estate, or a Subaru Legacy or similar?
@@michaelstamper5604 Volvo's 4wd system is one best avoided, at least for the older ones, they're very brittle.
Quality got better lately Horray😜🔝❤️
...so the best thing about it is the exterior styling and the stereo - so it would make an excellent "garden monument/DJ booth", but a less good vehicle. One of the most "glowing" reviews of one of these I have seen. Cheers!
Interior reminds of my old Chrysler PT cruiser,i loved that styling especially linked to the 2.2 merc lump. The ride was surprisingly tight & pretty capable on the quicker roads.
I did toy with the Idea of buying a jeep but was soon put off with the price of parts like with the PT cruiser. Now where did i put my violin case😂
I liked the PT cruiser, some people hated it
I had a Chrysler neon which the cruiser was based and that was awesome
Phase 2 PT CRD is a blinding motor 👍👍
@@dizzy2020 Get away... The Phase 1 was a nice place to be bar the numbering on the dials which was vile at night. The Phase2 did a decent job of mimicing a 40's US sedan, which was the point. Materials were very American but it you didn't hit them with a hammer they stood up to abuse well enough
@@itsmephil2255my American sister-in-law had a Neon as a cheap beater in the mid-2000s, definitely not a car to withstand the New England winters! I think she managed to kill it inside of a year, she drives an old Tahoe now.
@@rich_edwards79 I miss my neon, last reported to be in London.....untaxed and no MOT or whatever
Would love to buy it back
Can't believe how loud that engine is, I've had a couple of golfs and a Passat coupe with that lump and they were nice and quiet inside.
Interesting review. My wife drives a 2017 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport (made in Japan, earlier models were made in the States). It has the Mitsubishi 2.4L (4B12 version of the GEMA engine) and the CVT (all CVTs are awful in my opinion, however this is one of the better ones). I can see similarities to the Patriot, but the build quality and materials in our car are first rate. You mentioned the a/c, it is one of the best air conditioning systems I have used, better than our Honda or Toyota. What you did not mention was the steering feel, in our car this really lets it down and does not do a good job of realigning the wheels, maybe I should get the tracking checked. This is a temporary car until our first EV arrives when we will totally re-evaluate our fleet and try to get down to 3 cars (from 6).
Absaloutly brilliant video Ian miss hubnut❤👍 I used to have the Grande Cherokee Ltd 4 litre and that was very refined and smooth and fantastic for space brilliant
I have a 4.0 Grand Cherokee, love the smooth power, but at 15.9 MPG, I can't wait till the LPG conversion is repaired!
*Absolutely
10:28. 'a goodly amount of bass on offer'. Great adjective you've invented, there 👍
I like how you've colour-graded the outtakes differently from the finished shots. Unless that's just my poor colour vision.
I think this might be when Cerberus took over Chrysler/Jeep at this time of manufacture, Daimler had enough and sold them.
2.4.litre and CVT were mostly sold in the US. My friend, now deceased, had one, after a owning a 1992 Jeep Cherokee.
And many are still on the road where I am in upstate New York. The Jeep Renegade is basically a Fiat 500X.
A certain lack of refinement in NVH is actually a considered positive factor in a Jeep. A call back to the rough and ready days. In the US Jeep offered two roughly parallel cars, the Liberty was more a successor of the older rougher Jeeps, and the Patriot more of a car dressed up as a Jeep. To my taste the Liberty was sort of common for its time melted stick of butter style of the time, while the Patriot actually harkened more back to the angular styling of the Cherokee (the opposite of their supposed function).
Liberty was sold here as a Cherokee. I like the look of them.
My late wife (who was American) liked the Liberty. I think it was considered a bit of a girl's car in the US. I wasn't keen on the styling, but I do like the angular look of the Patriot and Compass, even though I'd never buy a SUV on principle (I live in a big city, no need for them here.)
@@rich_edwards79 To look down at the Audi masses, and ride roughshod over the two-wheeled food delivery hordes. Yee hah! Where's an SUV when I need one?!! Big payment book numbers ahead, and ahead, and ahead...oh. It's a corporate lease. Never mind.
In Canada we never received either the diesel or six-speed. I did once rent a Patriot to drive 600 kms to my client's other site where I spent a week driving around in it before driving back home. It was a gasoline version with the cvt transmission and I disliked it a lot.
I could be wrong but I think secondhand good value for little money...I have always liked them..My neighbour has a Lovely Red one ...No problems and he loves it...!!!
Beautiful demonstration at 14:32 of some world class "Palming" 😁
I think all Jeeps of that era had light steering for full palming potential.
If I remember correctly, later models had a Mercedes 2.2 engine, in place of the VW unit. Not sure if the refinement was improved by that change.
I think these had the 2.0 pumpe duse engine rather than the later 2.0 common rail, which probably explains why it's not particularly refined.
Nice to see you using Bow Street tran station car park!
13:15 42mpg is pretty reasonable, thaught I'd add that I own a Freelander TD4 (albeit 8 years older) which you comment on as being a rival and I tend to get a similar figure from mixed driving, however on a recent trip to scotland it achieved 51mpg! (and yes it is still 4wd) so some of these smaller 4x4s can be suprisingly economical ot seams if they have the right engine.
Dunno how you managed 51! I've also got a TD4 Freelander 1 - with its prop and topped out at 41.5 on a run from Nottingham to Girvan..
@@tallblokesam honestly I don't know how I managed it either! it was real tank to tank mpg as there is no trip computer on mine. But it is suprisingly good. Prehaps I am helped by the narrower than most 195 profile wheels, good tyres, no A/C or body accessaries being a base model S. Conditions were pretty optimal!
Hit the nail on the head with school run.... I could see parents at my kids school using these and the only off roading it would do is bumping onto the kerb. Have to agree a bit more sound deadening might have made it a more pleasant drive, but going to have to say I would buy one just to take along to the car meets up here and pull out the speakers in the boot and crank up the bass.
Funny you said Escort van as I was thinking Transit at that point - and not a recent one either!
I remember all the transit sounds
I'm a FORD bloke mate!!!!!!
I cud quite happily lick FORDS all day!!!!!
The mk4 escort van ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ lowered ......amazing shape
Did 800miles in a petrol auto Patriot un 2011 in the US. Very comfortable car. Could make a good Hubnut tow car?
I guess they gave up with the VM Motori diesels as often fitted to chrysler products outside of the US, but this one still seems to produce the clag that they were known for anyway... :P
Your down to earth objective narrative is as always refreshing ,you are too kind to this Jeep .
The first gen Patriot and Compass are essentially a more Jeep-esque. Dodge Caliber. They’re mostly reliable (for a Chrysler product) as long you have one that’s a manual. The CVTs that were in these cars were garbage because they’d eventually grenade themselves if you didn’t change the fluid every 50,000 miles (80,000 kms). The subframes also rot which is usually what kills them if the CVT doesn’t.
Also forgot to mention this but if you want a real cheap offroader that is actually capable and you want the pride of having a Jeep get a Liberty (2002-2007 and 2008-2012 Cherokee in Europe), Wrangler, or lightly modified Grand Cherokee. They’re much more capable than the PM platform cars.
Had me a 17 Compass. Nice comfortable and good on gas
Style wise it has a lot of character from those days when everything arguably just looked odd. As you mention refinement is not one of the best points but maybe Jeep thought that it added character. Having worked in the States during the 2000's the interior quality and finish was somewhat different to the European vehicles so maybe priorities were steered in other directions. If I had to pigeon hole its 4x4 capability I would say its more soft roader than off roader like the vast majority of 4x4 SUV cars. Many thanks for sharing.
Airways enjoy the Hubnut analysis, thank you.
For a strange reason when they first came out (Patriot and Compass) they were quite popular in Greece (petrol only, diesels were not allowed in Athens and Thessaloniki).
Even the Police got some Patriots!
Also, so nice looking countryside!
You are a walking Encyclopedia Hubnut , I think you could rival that Chat GTP Artificial intelligence , I looked up about the Mitsubishi's in USA and they were lucky they got the Dodge Colt GTS Turbo it was very fast for the mid 80s
11:23 To my knowledge the C4 Aircross and C-Zero (both Mitsubishi clones just like the C-Crosser) were also made in Japan.
Ah yes! Forgot the C-Zero.
@@HubNut Nothing about it to remember. You can't remember all "Gentleman's C+" grade WhatWasThatAgainIJustDrove to the scrapper? Outlandishly forgettable. Tut Tut. Next candidate!
What a perfect addition to the fleet…Welsh winter winner😃💪
I used to diss this vehicle. Now I drive one (2014, 4wd, auto, 2.4L w/ 150k+ miles on the odo) as a company vehicle everyday in the US upper Midwest. There are some minor body squeaks and the trans/driveline wasn't properly serviced by the time it was issued to me at 133/k miles. The only real interior noises are from the gear I carry around. The mileage isn't great, but better than the 1/2 & 3/4 ton trucks most others are issued. It actually has a pretty decent ride (for what it is) and acceptable seats.
People get caught up is dissing things for what they really aren't.
If the company would let me get some good tires, it would have some decent off-road abilities. As it is, it's competent in on-road corners though. Plus it isn't full of useless crap, which I appreciate for long-term ownership.
Love a jeep but the trackhawk
another great video has always Ian and miss hubnut and hublets and hubmutts 👍
"Pretty much o. k." - That is a wording I will add to my vocabulary as non native English speaker. It oozes irony, but only for those who are a bit used to the subject.
To be fair, that same engine I thought had poor NVH characteristics in a SEAT Leon too, creating a nasty rattle in the front passenger footwell
I remember Jeeps of that generation coming off the boats at Portbury and driving them to the compounds and thinking how rough they were.
I didn't realise that this JEEP was built on the same platform as the Mitsubishi Outlander.
You need to drive a Honda CRV. My dad has a 2010 plate one and it is pretty decent. If you drive a CRV you will like that the pedals are linier with the driver and not off set, plus the MK2's had the clever folding seats.
CRV test coming soon. 😉
Yep this is the sort of road test I love. 150bhp produced by a diesel engine, I’m guessing the maximum torque is pretty impressive.
Always liked the look of these,but would want a 3.0 straight six upfront like a BMW M57, would be a great combo
Lovely scenery ❤
"Extreme on-roading" perfectly describes the conditions often experienced in Mindanao, Philippines. Filipinos have a great attachment to Jeeps, but surprisingly I haven't seen Patriots around.
I had a Jeep Compass in the states back in 2013 for a few weeks, it wasn't bad but the interior was a bit pants
I used to have a VW Passat 1.9TDI 130bhp SE 4motion 03. I kept it for 6yrs great car.
Please test a Buchanka or UAZ 469 :-)))
Love the outtakes 😂
Doing the light shots at the end, it sounded like the Land Rover 110 used at Prince Phillips funeral
It’s a limited 4x4 diesel. It’s got the info center and the sub if it has nav this is so cool
What genius in naming this raucous effort the Limited. It was apparently almost tagged as a Mundano, but they feared Ford might object.
My wife has a CR-V, that's what you want to buy, or the Toyota RAV4. These two are as reliable as it gets and have really good resale value as well as being great cars. As an American, this is note and American car. It was designed and signed off by a German company. Now Jeep is owned by an Italian and French company. What can go wrong.
I've got one of these. I've had to replace one of the wheel hubs because the ABS sensor clip had rotted out (quite a common thing for these vehicles, apparently). However, other than that, it's been pretty good.
The previous owner put lowered springs on it, so it sits a few inches lower. Most people seem to think it looks great like that. I don't, since I'm not a teenager, and I'll look to get the normal ones put back in. I mean, what's the point of a 4x4 if you haven't got the ground clearance to use it?!?
Anyway, It's spacious enough with the seats down that we were able to transport our 4 greyhounds with us to a holiday in Wales and back in relative comfort. Also averaged about 54mpg en route, although that was 60mph most of the way.
The only real criticism I have is the interior. I've got the pre-facelift version, and it looks like it's been taken from an 80's Datsun - all angles and cheap plastics .
I test drove one. The clutch pedal felt heavy. Not sure if it was faulty or just that stiff.
Is it a PD diesel ? They are proper traftor like but an old school mechanical pump but are solid engines,
"A lot of tissues in there, we won't ask questions..." 😆🤣🤣
I wish the vw tdi version was available in Canada. They would have sold like crazy. Tons of mk4 and 5 tdi's still on the road here, and lots are actually lifted, people love the mileage, if the partiot tdi was sold here i think they would have filled that void in the market.
I suppose the bonus of the citroen and peugeot versions of that chasiss is that they had the superior peugeot HDI engines instead of the VW diesels.
So which would you rather have Ian, Patriot or Maverick? I can see both have their merits.
Wonder who supplied the manual transmission - rare here in the US. Chrysler era Jeep auto transmission is notorious.
Apparently Volkswagen gave them the engines that failed their quality control 😂.
VW bought Bentley. BMW got the Rolls-Royce badge.
@@HubNut and stole MINI from Rover.
Well, they did own Rover at the time... Quickly realised it was a mistake so took the good bits (Mini and Land Rover).
From 2010 onwards the engine was a 2.2 litre mercedes diesel engine. I had mine for 9 years and was sorry to lose it.
Passed a silver one of these from traffic lights the other day in my 2.0 Grand vitara...All the Jeep seemed to do was produce black smoke and little else!!...😁
I think it's awful, why would you have one instead of a Honda CR-V or something else that resembles a "quality product". I like car makers who actually put effort into designing & making their cars, but that's just me! 🙂 The Honda diesel engines (both the 2.2 and 1.6) are so smooth they almost sound like petrol engines too, so it shows a smooth four cylinder diesel engine can be done if only you put the effort in to balancing and good design & manufacturing.
It's not a bad looking car - I prefer the boxy, angular designs of the 2000s to both the 90s melted blob aesthetic and the current busy 'baby's trainer' look (though i understand how both of the latter are influenced by drag coefficients and cessh safety). However, I get the impression that Jeeps like this are mostly driven by crossfit enthusiasts with a boot full of Creatine, gamer dudebros who made a bit of cash from RUclips livestreams and blonde women named Karen who park them on pavements ten feet from the school gates. They're like Hummers, but for peopke who can't afford Hummers.
Your sound quality from wireless lavalier sounds good.What brand are them?
This was a Rode Wireless Go II but it proved a bit glitchy. Now have DJI Mic and love it.
A good vehicle for space & family. But a bit rough & ready.
Well now you have something to compare to if you ever give the wrangler a go 👍
Even if the Evo conversion isn't possible, there was a performance variant of the Dodge Caliber (also on the same platform), the SRT-4, with ~280hp through the front wheels, which would likely be an easy enough, ill-advised swap.
Not sure I'm keen on the automated voice that corrects you when you say tissues😂
There are people living in mountainous areas were buying an 4wd without serious off roading abilities make a lot of sence. Typical areas where they also get a lot of snow in the winter.
Does seem like it has an exhaust blow?
So is the level crossing of the line you used to live near?
Yup.
dashboard was lit up like Blackpool Illuminations....i like the grand Cherokee in 4.0 litre form
Think that level crossing is on a par with the one here in Burnley on huffling lane. Its horrid!!
Had one for around 12 months drove good when it worked ,within 6 months had a NEW turbo, NEW alternator, NEW wheel bearing all part expensive with labour the bill at the end of 6 month was £300 less then I paid for the car 😢😢 for sale it did go
Eesh...
The gas 2.4 was the off-spring of the global engine alliance. Chrysler Hyundai Mitsubishi - very reliable engine easy to work on. My daughters Chrysler 200 has 215k Km and runs fine.
The CVT was the primary choice in North America and it was a disaster.
It doesn't sound like the Volkswagen TDI of that era. I know it is but the start-up is different. Sounds more common-rail if that makes sense compared to the flatter souding PD unit in VWs. Maybe Jeep made a few changes or VW didnt want it to be as refined?
7:22
What are you upset about now?
I have expected to hear a voice from the car in night rider style saying I want to be a Land Rover 😂😂😂😂😂
Much better towing vehicle than the Berlingo 👍
I spot a ring Ian, a secret ceremony or is it a engaged ring?
We got engaged last year. No secret.