Audyssey Room Optimization - Part 1 Features & Technical Overview
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2020
- Phil Jones and special guest, Jeff Clark, Director of Software Engineering at Audyssey provide a comprehensive overview of Audyssey technology and features.
Audyssey MultEQ Editor app (Apple App Store)
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Have learned alot in this video.
Can not believe how many u tubers out there with 100s of thousands of subribers preaching to viewers multi sub is a must and then have their subwoofers 3 feet apart 🤣. Thus making it basically one sub!
Thanks! I run a 7.1(1).2 and the calibration was a breeze with Audyssey. A far cry from my first 5.1 system that took a week with a meter!
Great video thank you for the explanation and theory behind the dynamic eq and volume settings 🙏👍👍
This has been so helpful as its a confusing bit of kit at times
Just took delivery of my brand new Marantz SR6014. One 2.1 port was not worth waiting for thanks to eARC. This video has perfect timing!
Returned the SR6014 for the SR7013. The SR6014 did not accept the Atmos signal from Windows PC games. The SR7013 does so perfectly. Beware of the newer Marantz units if you are a PC gamer.
With regards to running dual subs, I run an Aperion Audio Bravus II 12 inch sub in the front right corner of the room and then an identical sub, but with a 10 inch driver in the opposite corner and very close to the primary listening position. This accomplishes two main improvements. First, it makes the bass so much more present without being boomy or airy and it also makes it much more tactile. I wish the Denon X series offered sub eq for dual subs!
*correction* Denon X series offers sub eq on the 3700 and higher. It's part of the Multeq 32XT. It is not an in depth calibration per se, but a volume equalizer for each sub.
Denon has had this feature for many years on the X3000 series and higher. It measures each sub individually, adjusts delays for the best response, then equalizes them as one for the best results at your seat. In my experience using it it works far better than most other systems out there without going to a JBL Synthesis custom setup.
Audyssey setup and cheap beer? Yeah! I’m not alone! 🥲🤣😅😅😂
Please, after years of many users clamimg, request audyssey or directly implement dynEQ option to turn off surround channels overall volume increase. In my case when volume is -40dB I have to lower rr/atmos speakers volume to additional -8 or -10dB to have optimal sound stage.
For people who must have couch close to rear wall and must have rr side speakers very close to couch is this really a must. Even Jeff Clark has couch on rr wall and nice diffusers so I think he must know how it works 🤔
Please please please introduce new target curves into the mobile app! I love the app but it needs more options for target curves. Plotting your own is really hard on a touch screen device. A simple 2/4/6/8/10db bass tilt would be ideal!
And please decouple DynEQ from the surrounds. I love what it does for bass, but really it doesn't work for surrounds in my setup with Atmos and side surrounds.
Hello. It's possible to install the Audyssey app on a PC, with bigger screen using an AndroPid emulator as Bluestacks. It's easier to use on a screen of a PC than on a smartphone. I've done it and it works great.
I have two glass doors but solid wood trim so don't hear any reverb but does Audyseey address this as well. The rest of the room has acoustic panels
In my Marantz menu under Speakers there is Audyssey Setup and Manual Setup.
If settings in manual have been changed how do you select whether you're hearing the Audyssey settings or your manual setting when using the AVR?
Could you bring out a Windows version of Audyssey please? I only have an iphone so find it very tricky to adjust the curve as the screen and scale of the graph is very small and I dont own a tablet . A lot of people still use laptops and it would be great to be able to use the app on a pc. I bought the AVC-X6500H a few months ago and Im really enjoying it. I have installed sound panels at reflection points and also have 3 cloud panels. Im now learning room acoustics/eq : ) Thanks
Hi - I have passed along your feedback to our SU webinar favorite, Jeff Clark.
I run the App with my Marantz NR1710 Receiver. Nie I'm asking myself, why I end up with negative db levels for all (!) speakers. E.g. main -6db, Surround- 8db and Sub -12db. Can I just ask 6db to all speakers, or does this affect the Audyssey correction?
Brief Question for Phil:
Is there any chance of getting an option in the Audyssey App to fine tune the Surround Boost part of DynEQ? I enjoy what it does to the Bass, but it raises the Volume on the Surrounds, Rears and Rear Heights by far too much, thus destroying the Surround Balance.
I have heard directly from Audyssey that making the Surround Boost seperate from the Bass Boost is trivial, but have also heard from Sound United in Germany, that this would add additional licence fees.
My proposition would be, to add this toggle (Surround boost Off or Reference Offset 0-5-10-15 just like Dynamic EQ) to the app,aybe even with an additional fee to the User, sold as an inApp Purchases maybe? I personally would not mind paying another 10-50€ to get this option via the app.
What do you think? Thanks!
They just don't care about the app anymore. No more money to make 🤑🤑🤑
It's frustrating because DEQ is great for bass, but that surround boost is not needed for most people. It is way too aggressive and the user should be able to just disable it. It destroys the balance of the system.
Audyssey needs to fix this, but after all these years I think we are sadly out of luck. 🤦♂️
It actually seems "funny" at this point, that Audyssey/Sound United don't react OR fix the main issue that people have with Audyssey......... The problem with the surrounds being boosted too much or even being boosted at all.
A lot of people keep complaining about this problem, as it really makes most peoples systems sound very unbalanced and rear-heavy.
Why not make an on/off toggle for that specific surround "feature".
Almost everyone likes what Dynamic EQ does with bass, but really dislike that surround boost.
I listen at -15 dB from reference and have set the surrounds -3 dB lower to compensate when using DEQ.
This is not optimal, but a compromise.
Please listen to feedback from users regarding this issue. 🙏
Regards from Denmark 😊
Does it matter where the volume is set to when running audessy.
If we run audyssey can we maintain any volume level?
When running Audyssey Deos that change the warmth of marantz sound if so like denon ect
What about the Level and SPL Meter, should we change this manualy or not? I saw comments that in the internal Manual Level calibration, the Audyssey filters are off. So this doesn't improve the Result, should we Play the Test Tone via external device (blu-ray player) or is this all wrong? My rear are a lot lauder then the rest
How important is the use of a SLM meter after you have done the Audyssey calibration? Question 2, can you use the Audysey with 2 subs and calibrate both with the Marantz 6013?
You don't need a SLM meter if you utilize Audyssey. You can use the meter to verify results. The Marantz SR6013 has Sub EQ HT so you can calibrate 2 sub separately.
Should I go ahead and buy another Marantz(6014) receiver to upgrade to 7.2.4 or should I want for the next Marantz receiver release?
Marantz SR 6015 which we will be discusing the week of 7/13.
www.marantz.com/en-gb/shop/avreceiver/sr6015
Question for Phil! I have only purchased Denon's in the past and now have my first Marantz 6013. Is it me or is Denon more potent? I love the Marantz but just curious if it is all in my head..
Comparable Denon and Marantz AVRs are similar when it comes to features like surround processing, video switching and Audyssey. It is the amplifier sections that are different between the brand.
@@SoundUnitedTraining Thank you very much Phil. I am considering upgrading soon to the Denon 6700H and adding two more height channel speakers so that I have 7.2.6 but need Magnolia or Abt to let me know where I can place them in my 291.55 square foot (17.15 X17) and (2341cubic volume room). I am partial to the Atmos set up not oppose to the DTX. Again, many thanks.
Does Dynamic EQ hurt accuracy??
Audyssey is a great system, but it needs to be more flexible. My main gripe with Audyssey has been the fact, that DynEQ does great things to LFE, but sadly messes up the surround balance by turning up the Volume on Surrounds, Rears and Top Rears far too much. This has been a complaint since Day1 and for some Reason, despite being an easy fix, it has never been changed. Simply offering a separate option for the Surround Balance would solve it once and for all times...so why bit do it?
Always felt like that was the case and a while ago I got a (Cheap) SPL meter and started fixing it. Here's hoping that they sort that out at some point. Especially since I'm looking to the 2020 models of Denon :P
Because most people don't play movies at reference volume, Dynamic EQ is intended to provide the surround experience and impact of playing a movie at reference level which is OdB on the volume knob.
At lower volumes, most people are less sensitive to bass and surround at lower volumes. Dynamic EQ variably boosts channel levels based on volume level. This technology is based on the Fletcher-Munson curve and other scientific research.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour
The closer you get to reference volume (0dB), the less channel boost is applied. Once you reach reference volume the channel boost is automatically eliminated. If you turn down the surround channels with Dynamic EQ engaged at volumes below 0dB, the channel levels will be too low at reference volume.
If you want to change the volume scale on your AVR from (0 - 98) to (-79.5 dB - 18.0 dB), the information can be found below
manuals.denon.com/AVRX8500H/NA/EN/GFNFSYwrfimgdw.php
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I am aware of all that and I appreciate the idea. However, in my experience the Surround Boost, unlike the Bass Boost just doesn't work for many scenarios. Especially in Games, the Soundstage focus often moves to the back. I usually listen between 20-30db, and in that case the Surrounds get boosted by up to 6db which is simply too much.
@@SoundUnitedTraining another thing about DynEQ:
How does it decide how much Bass and Surround Boost to apply? Does it just react to the Main Volume knob, or the actual Volume? Because, a Movie played via the AppleTV 4K is usually about 4-6db softer at the same Main Volume setting as the exact same Movie playing through the AppleTV app on a different Device because the AppleTV plays everything as PCM which is somehow treated differently Volume wise than Bitstream DD+
@@rolandrohde Have you tried adjusting Reference Level Offset to fit your needs?
Dynamic EQ Reference Level Offset provides three offsets from the film level reference (5 dB, 10 dB, and 15 dB) that can be selected. Instructions can be found below.
manuals.denon.com/AVRX8500H/NA/EN/GFNFSYphwaueoj.php
When I calibrate my speakers audessey asks me to place the sub volume to 50%. I do not have a volume dial on the sub, but I do have crossover and gain dials, my sub is way to loud and the correction is to minus 12 with no way to turn it down. Since gain is not volume what do you suggest the Klipsch R12 be set at during calibration?
The volume level of the sub is set by the gain knob. So use that to turn it down.
Just to be clear, running the Audyssey calibration via the app vs. the AVR will yield better calculations?
that is correct. The app also gives you more adjustments and tuning options
How do we extend the microphone? Most high end AVR's that would get this calibration are installed in an equipment rack that can be over 100 feet away from the room to be tested.
Extension cord, genius. Are you serious?
Should I use auto calibration if I have Bi-Polar surrounds?
Yes, definitely! - Jen
What happends if you simply don't have these 8 positions available in your room. Like having the sofa towards the rear wall?
@@andrewlantz123 Thanks.
My Maratntz SR8015 is on it's way so I am having to take mental notes now lol. I have two laptops and two desktops, which is best for an Audyssey App download? No, I don't have a smart phone as I consider them to be a ball and chain.
Lonnie thes tool to work with it is the ipad . Believe me . It works perfect with the SR8015. Ican show you this.
@@stevewithf5847 I had worked it out and borrowed my wife's I-Pad as I had no Apple product to use. The setup was a breeze and as near to complete as it could get. I now have to wait on my 800W driver install for my sub to finish.
@@lonniefarmer7067 800W a new Subwoofer ?.
@@lonniefarmer7067 with you want send you audy file via email.
Can you set or change Dynamic EQ and reference to 0 without running Audyssey?
It order for Dynamic EQ to function properly, Audyssey first needs to establish and set the reference volume level in your room. Audyssey adjusts channel levels so "0" on the volume knob is corresponds with the reference volume of a actual theater. Dynamic EQ then adjusts levels, equalization based how much below reference volume the content is currently being played.
If all I care about is 1 seating position, should I just run 1 pass or leave the Audyssey mic in the same position for multiple readings?
I heard Jeff say in another to always do 8 readings.
Exactly what does audysey do ???? Beyond various visible setting changes and volume changes to specific frequencies to smooth out curve, what else does it adjust??????
Timing correction, Individual Speaker EQ, speaker level adjustment and variable loudness compensation
Sound United Training so all it does is adjust volumes of individual tones in the frequency range, and adjusts for phasing between speakers. If you have poor speakers I guess it is of benefit. Less so for highend speakers that may have frequency tone volumes under control. Right?
Questions regarding the Audyssey 8 positions during setup.
My couch is up against the back wall, so how am I supposed to leave "at least" 20 inches from the back wall?
The Audyssey needs multiple positions to best understand your room environment. For positions #1,2,3 place mic towards the front or the couch cushion. or positions #4,5,6 place mic further forward on the floor on a tripod , For positions #7 and 8 place the mics far back on the couch as possible. This is what I did in my room and it work perfectly.
@@SoundUnitedTraining Thanks Phil
@@SoundUnitedTraining i'm in the same position as this. i'm going from a 7010 to a 7015 so i'm very happy, are those 2 receivers exactly the same size? the dimensions mentioned on the marantz website are in carton. i have an exact space for my new 7015 (and is it copper effect around the back?)
@@SoundUnitedTraining Even though our heads are closer to #7 and #8?
@@davidcrandon2329 i think is it better to take only the 6 positions, you can skip 7, 8 in the menu. In the second Part he says you measure where you sit, not the floor
@Sound United Training Phil, this presentation is very helpful. But, I'm pretty sure that nobody cares about those of us that own and use older AVRs. May I please ask for a video on proper set-up and use of the older Audyssey systems. The instruction manuals for AVRs are poor at best. I use a Denon AVR-591 that I rescued from the recycle center. Sure it's a cheap old POS in your eyes since you have access to anything you want. Mr. Jones, please help those of us that cannot buy $3000 receivers and hire $1000 set-up guys. Please and thank you!
if these guys saw my room they would tell me to just find a new house and move LOL
Are there any videos that are purely how to use the various Audyssey products? While this type is entertaining it really is too much stuff besides how to use.
Why doesn’t the top tier Audyssey do more than 2 subs?
I'm here from audioholics
If the app is so good why do so many people complain about it , even reviewers ?
Could be a network issue but most reviews are positive. At $20 the Audyssey app is a good investment. It definitely gets the job done. Buy it try it for yourself.
Please Dear Audyssey and Sound United Team, let us deactivate the Surround Boost of Dynamic EQ, sitting on a back wall couch the surround and rear heights are awful loud that way!
They don't care anymore.....
But I agree, it totally destroys the balance of your system. Even at -15 dB the surrounds are boosted about 3 dB.!!
@@carstenjensen6728 i just can't get it right, they are so loud, are your heights that loud too or only the surrounds?
@@koki123
I'm not using height channels, but I've heard from a lot of users, that these are boosted just as much as the surround channels.
DEQ adds about 1 dB of gain for every 5 dB you go below reference.
So, at -5dB below reference it adds about 1 dB of gain.
At -10 below reference it adds about 2 dB of gain.
I normally listen at -15 below reference, so I've decreased the level of the surrounds by 3 dB to compensate for the added 3 dB gain done by DEQ.
The problem with this is when listening louder than -15 (e.g. at reference 0 dB), then the surrounds are too low compared to the rest of the speakers because no gain is added at reference.
🤦♂️
I really don't understand why Audyssey does not provide a simple on/off toggle for this in the audyssey settings within the app..... Just like we have for Dynamic Volume.
A LOT of people are complaining about this and DEQ is a great way of creating that dynamic house curve - without the added "feature" of the surrounds dominating the room.
Most people that I know have their surrounds quite close in their living rooms and they don't need to be boosted at all.
Maybe it works when the surrounds are way back from your ears, but PLEASE give us the option to turn it OFF!!!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@d c yeah I don't have that issue at all but my surrounds are a proper distance