I disagree. And I only do because BOTH are G.O.A.T.'s! I really really hope they dont get shafted like Marian and we will continue having them in the story :)
@@nicz7694 dont worry. They're part of yhe main cast for now. Honorary members of counters. Tho, currently they are at reclamation site 1 while Shikikan is in the Ark. Also, cindy mentioned that she found hints about siren, so probably other old tales members are the focus of ch 3
@@shiori2182 Yep, they are at RS-1 but I fear that they will just walk off for some time :D IF we go to Eden after the Ark stuff, I really hope they tag along even when Doro is there. I'm itching to see some interaction between Old tales and former Goddess Squad members. Not just because Cinderella looks up to them or fought them but also Grave still believing that Pioneer is a "normal" Squad while actually SW is a "eat-anything"-survivalist, Rapunzel Horny as fk and Scarlet constantly thinking about drowning in alcohol xD I really chuckled about Grave not believing us in her Advice chapter, I want to see how it turns out now :D
@@nicz7694 While we're on discussion, anyone here find it weird that Grave remembers all the Goddess members, but can't remember the rest of Old Tales?
Man, this is quite sad...Cinderella was in a coma for so long while grave was struggling to survive and manage to live for that long since her voice was altered and her face was, messed up making her lose of herself in order to fix and save cinderella.
And she suceeded. We can look at these sad moments, and remind ourselves that she did it. Abe suceeded. She brought Cinderella back, and she also got reborn into an even better version of herself. Her brain seems to be healing, she's relearning things she forgot. And she can be happy in a nice place, with people who respect her and treat her like a companion.
I thinks its a mind switch mixed with severe head trauma, remember she got a nasty head injury and had to use her mask to cover her face. IDK if mind switch was actually even a factor in her deterioration, its just her current state is very similar to how Snow White acts
@@rumuelnathanael8043 limited capacity for memories. A lot of the Pilgrims well over 100 years old need to delete old memories for the brain to continue functioning properly. many of them only keep the key memories. for example rapunzel has a purge of memories she does on a regular basis
Mhm. I do think the 2nd Gen Grimms had that issue resolved, but we'll have to see since Cindy was in a coma and, as such, didn't have to clinically check her memories. Rapunzel does that to make sure she doesn't get a mind switch as well.
Brain damage, extreme body damage, using own body parts to repair your daughter, the body ages and is barely maintained, if ever, no positive human contact, enemies everywhere for decades and decades... Dr. Abe-or Grave, now-you have done well. Thank you.
I was deadly afraid of what Liter said will come for Grave after her arc considering how rapidly her brains seems to had been deteriorated over the years due to lack of maintenance and extremely harsh condition. I hope whatever upgrade she had at Missilis with Mana and co. can help her live until she can settle down properly with Cindy as long as possible, especially with how she is STILL overexerting herself. I understand her wanting to protect Cindy at all cost, but the despair of losing Grave would plunge Cindy way further than ever, considering Grave is the one thing that keep Cindy humanity to win over the Rapture part. If worst come to pass, I hope SKK can be another crutch that Cindy can lean on beside Grave, so the latter can rest easier and not working herself to an, pun not intended, early grave.
Do keep in mind Cinderella no longer has corruption code in her she managed to purge it during the vapaus experiment similar to how Marian was cured what saved Cinderella from a second corruption was a lack of nimph even if she loses grave she still has the genuine desire to protect humanity and rewrite that tragically tainted story the failed tale already ended and believe me she won't let anything stop her from achieving her happy end
@@acefreak95 To further reinforce your _"what saved Cinderella from a second corruption was a lack of nimph"_ statement Remember during the Anni 1.5 event, Chatterbox approaches and tried to corrupt Marian again but didn't actually worked like it hoped so. Because Marian's NIMPH is completely gone. Perhaps that the Vapaus bullet that is used on Marian is technologically-advanced compared to the Vapaus used against Cinderella, 100 years ago *(As it only removes 98% which gave the corruption a little bit of persistence compared to modern Vapaus that wipes out 100%)* I am noticing more and more that NIMPH in Nikkes is an absolute hindrance for Humanity as NIMPH allows ANYONE to hack through and gain control of Nikkes, including the Raptures. The cons are higher than pros if you asked me.
Grave, or rather Abe. Your Actions and efforts are commendable and admirable. I shall give you the power of Plot Armor, blessed by your one and only; Commander
Old Tales really shattered.. i was wondering why grave was always talking like a dumb caveman. The reason is she was very lonely to the point that all she knows is Cinderella and how beautiful she was. She even forgotten hansel, gretel and siren. The stuff that she could easily fix before and now she can't. I really hope that Grave and Cinderella will get the happy ending they deserved.
Don't forget that the 1st reason why she became like this, was because some stupid Researcher captured her, and did some stupid things to her brain, just because they think they can find some data within her brain. I think that damage her brain function.
*Inside the Coma full of overall her memories of the Glass & Mirros reflected on her past* *But she's not alone in this state of this place* Cinderella: ! ! ! *Sense something that she's still being watched & uncomfortable of this torment* Rapture Queen: It is really sad for her, what a beautiful slumber she had to enjoy on that place to spend, UNLESS!!! *CRACKED HANDS* 💢💢 Rapture Queen: When the time you're Awake, I'll meet you again. ANACHIRO..
Most of Cinderella's reason to stay online right now is because Grave and Commander tell her to. That's why she can act so nonchalantly despite everything
Probably. And given her specific Parts are top of line from the Invasion era War, and Abe was the designer of it all, the loss of that specific VTC Lab means it will take an awful lot of time for Counters to even manage to find a way to source proper Top of Line parts fit for Cinderella if they cannot report her existence to the Ark.
The use of the harmony cube could mean that she was making the parts she finally needed for a proper repair and not the patchwork that kept her barely alive until now
I'm still salty about cinderella almost going anachiro again during the present day chapters. it completely destroys the old tales build up about redemption and freedom from corruption.
No it does not, she almost went anachiro since its also part of her memory while beeing an unwritten page. The build up from old tales literally saved her from that aswell: Looking at Graves face when she took her mask of was the same as looking at Abe after Replicate:Red Shoes corrupted her again and she snapped out due to looking into Abe's eyes. It's literally the reason why she didnt went Anachiro and overcame the corruption a 2nd time.
It's not actually the corruption it's her jumbled memory she literally fell from space her body was fucked up immensely waking up from 100 years with nothing but sketchy field repairs in the middle of a fight is bound to confuse her however as soon as she saw grave her memory fell in place I'd say it was a good scene properly showing the effects of 100 years of mental decay as mentioned by abe before her kidnapping
She luterally took a direct hit from the Rapture Queen's Kinektic Beam, survived an Atmospheric reentry, had to live inside a Coffin shaped Life support device that was only MINIMALLY equipped for the task, and it was the most Abe managed to Jury Rig before ending f'ed in the head by those ahole scientists. Her Brain condition would been worse had Abe not done all she could to keep things from worsening. So It's fsir that being awoken a century later, after all those perilous moments under Abe/Grave's care inside the Coffin, memories from her time as Anachiro could have been almost made her real persona had she not found something she had even stronger will about, which is Abe/Grave
![Old Tales epilogue :: :rewrite [GODDESS OF VICTORY : NIKKE OST]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4aMCLi6Dyoo/mqdefault.jpg)
Lol, even in her dream/memories she just forgets red sus
Not worthy to be remembered, good riddance.
She's not worthy
Abe/Grave is the goddamn G.O.A.T. Protecting her daughter to the best of her ability and refusing to give up on her no matter what.
I disagree. And I only do because BOTH are G.O.A.T.'s! I really really hope they dont get shafted like Marian and we will continue having them in the story :)
@@nicz7694 dont worry. They're part of yhe main cast for now. Honorary members of counters.
Tho, currently they are at reclamation site 1 while Shikikan is in the Ark.
Also, cindy mentioned that she found hints about siren, so probably other old tales members are the focus of ch 3
@@shiori2182 Yep, they are at RS-1 but I fear that they will just walk off for some time :D
IF we go to Eden after the Ark stuff, I really hope they tag along even when Doro is there. I'm itching to see some interaction between Old tales and former Goddess Squad members. Not just because Cinderella looks up to them or fought them but also Grave still believing that Pioneer is a "normal" Squad while actually SW is a "eat-anything"-survivalist, Rapunzel Horny as fk and Scarlet constantly thinking about drowning in alcohol xD I really chuckled about Grave not believing us in her Advice chapter, I want to see how it turns out now :D
@@nicz7694Same.
@@nicz7694 While we're on discussion, anyone here find it weird that Grave remembers all the Goddess members, but can't remember the rest of Old Tales?
Man, this is quite sad...Cinderella was in a coma for so long while grave was struggling to survive and manage to live for that long since her voice was altered and her face was, messed up making her lose of herself in order to fix and save cinderella.
Grave/Abe is a beast for surviving that long with what seems to be an equivalent of a botched open head surgery without properly closing the wound
Don't forget, she is a Mass produced NIKKE....what a super strong will she has! 😢
Dont worry abe, shikikum will take care of both you and your daughter
OYAKODON!
And came on them because he Shikicum.
And she suceeded. We can look at these sad moments, and remind ourselves that she did it. Abe suceeded. She brought Cinderella back, and she also got reborn into an even better version of herself. Her brain seems to be healing, she's relearning things she forgot. And she can be happy in a nice place, with people who respect her and treat her like a companion.
Despite everything Abe went through, she did everything in her power to protect Cindy. She deserves better than anyone as given her credit for.
Look how our girl abe lost all plot armor by shift up themself by torture her
Very sad that Abe slowly forgetting Siren, Hansel and Gretel...
Mind switch?
@@rumuelnathanael8043brain damage
I thinks its a mind switch mixed with severe head trauma, remember she got a nasty head injury and had to use her mask to cover her face. IDK if mind switch was actually even a factor in her deterioration, its just her current state is very similar to how Snow White acts
@@rumuelnathanael8043 limited capacity for memories. A lot of the Pilgrims well over 100 years old need to delete old memories for the brain to continue functioning properly. many of them only keep the key memories. for example rapunzel has a purge of memories she does on a regular basis
Mhm. I do think the 2nd Gen Grimms had that issue resolved, but we'll have to see since Cindy was in a coma and, as such, didn't have to clinically check her memories. Rapunzel does that to make sure she doesn't get a mind switch as well.
I had no idea Grave used her own parts to help fix her, Grave has to be in one of the best moms in anime like media
@@Acnologia-nv1gu fr 😭 i'm so happy i rolled for her no regrets
The OST changes when u approaching to Grave is so beautiful and sad 😢
Brain damage, extreme body damage, using own body parts to repair your daughter, the body ages and is barely maintained, if ever, no positive human contact, enemies everywhere for decades and decades... Dr. Abe-or Grave, now-you have done well. Thank you.
I was deadly afraid of what Liter said will come for Grave after her arc considering how rapidly her brains seems to had been deteriorated over the years due to lack of maintenance and extremely harsh condition. I hope whatever upgrade she had at Missilis with Mana and co. can help her live until she can settle down properly with Cindy as long as possible, especially with how she is STILL overexerting herself.
I understand her wanting to protect Cindy at all cost, but the despair of losing Grave would plunge Cindy way further than ever, considering Grave is the one thing that keep Cindy humanity to win over the Rapture part.
If worst come to pass, I hope SKK can be another crutch that Cindy can lean on beside Grave, so the latter can rest easier and not working herself to an, pun not intended, early grave.
Do keep in mind Cinderella no longer has corruption code in her she managed to purge it during the vapaus experiment similar to how Marian was cured what saved Cinderella from a second corruption was a lack of nimph even if she loses grave she still has the genuine desire to protect humanity and rewrite that tragically tainted story the failed tale already ended and believe me she won't let anything stop her from achieving her happy end
@@acefreak95 Yeah, can only hope for the best.
@@acefreak95 To further reinforce your _"what saved Cinderella from a second corruption was a lack of nimph"_ statement
Remember during the Anni 1.5 event, Chatterbox approaches and tried to corrupt Marian again but didn't actually worked like it hoped so. Because Marian's NIMPH is completely gone.
Perhaps that the Vapaus bullet that is used on Marian is technologically-advanced compared to the Vapaus used against Cinderella, 100 years ago *(As it only removes 98% which gave the corruption a little bit of persistence compared to modern Vapaus that wipes out 100%)*
I am noticing more and more that NIMPH in Nikkes is an absolute hindrance for Humanity as NIMPH allows ANYONE to hack through and gain control of Nikkes, including the Raptures. The cons are higher than pros if you asked me.
Grave, or rather Abe. Your Actions and efforts are commendable and admirable. I shall give you the power of Plot Armor, blessed by your one and only; Commander
Old Tales really shattered.. i was wondering why grave was always talking like a dumb caveman. The reason is she was very lonely to the point that all she knows is Cinderella and how beautiful she was. She even forgotten hansel, gretel and siren. The stuff that she could easily fix before and now she can't. I really hope that Grave and Cinderella will get the happy ending they deserved.
Don't forget that the 1st reason why she became like this, was because some stupid Researcher captured her, and did some stupid things to her brain, just because they think they can find some data within her brain. I think that damage her brain function.
*Inside the Coma full of overall her memories of the Glass & Mirros reflected on her past*
*But she's not alone in this state of this place*
Cinderella: ! ! !
*Sense something that she's still being watched & uncomfortable of this torment*
Rapture Queen: It is really sad for her, what a beautiful slumber she had to enjoy on that place to spend, UNLESS!!!
*CRACKED HANDS* 💢💢
Rapture Queen: When the time you're Awake, I'll meet you again. ANACHIRO..
This has to be the saddest anniversary of all time 😭😭😭. I was okay with it until I cleared the hard story and read all the dialogue
Most of Cinderella's reason to stay online right now is because Grave and Commander tell her to.
That's why she can act so nonchalantly despite everything
...Prepare to cry...
Am I missing something why are people calling Cinderella is her daughter
abe is a researcher and the one who make second generation grimss model
Somehow, it feels as a foreshadowing. What if Nihilister is indeed Red Shoes?
best mom
Damn.
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dose this mean cinderella has some mass product nikk eparts in her curreently
Probably.
And given her specific Parts are top of line from the Invasion era War, and Abe was the designer of it all, the loss of that specific VTC Lab means it will take an awful lot of time for Counters to even manage to find a way to source proper Top of Line parts fit for Cinderella if they cannot report her existence to the Ark.
@andrehashimoto8056 true
@andrehashimoto8056 or maybe she will get special elyson nikke parts from ingrid that are better for her
The use of the harmony cube could mean that she was making the parts she finally needed for a proper repair and not the patchwork that kept her barely alive until now
@@Axindoor also possible but thats after ch 34 they ditnt have time for that before
I'm still salty about cinderella almost going anachiro again during the present day chapters. it completely destroys the old tales build up about redemption and freedom from corruption.
No it does not, she almost went anachiro since its also part of her memory while beeing an unwritten page.
The build up from old tales literally saved her from that aswell: Looking at Graves face when she took her mask of was the same as looking at Abe after Replicate:Red Shoes corrupted her again and she snapped out due to looking into Abe's eyes.
It's literally the reason why she didnt went Anachiro and overcame the corruption a 2nd time.
It's not actually the corruption it's her jumbled memory she literally fell from space her body was fucked up immensely waking up from 100 years with nothing but sketchy field repairs in the middle of a fight is bound to confuse her however as soon as she saw grave her memory fell in place I'd say it was a good scene properly showing the effects of 100 years of mental decay as mentioned by abe before her kidnapping
She luterally took a direct hit from the Rapture Queen's Kinektic Beam, survived an Atmospheric reentry, had to live inside a Coffin shaped Life support device that was only MINIMALLY equipped for the task, and it was the most Abe managed to Jury Rig before ending f'ed in the head by those ahole scientists. Her Brain condition would been worse had Abe not done all she could to keep things from worsening. So It's fsir that being awoken a century later, after all those perilous moments under Abe/Grave's care inside the Coffin, memories from her time as Anachiro could have been almost made her real persona had she not found something she had even stronger will about, which is Abe/Grave