same, i think it could be worth running either an electric furnace in a gas box or a normal furnace cold to get the off gasses from the ores that give off o2
Love your work, as always. Would be interested to see how efficiencyefying your systems impacts your oxygen balance, as others have mentioned. I also really love the idea of a Crash Landed scenario in Stationeers, where you have to put up, say, a sat dish to contact rescuers, a launch pad/runway for the rescue rocket/spaceplane to land with a beacon or something nearby. Then you have to survive x days from making contact till the rescue ship arrives. Not for nothing, but surviving 30+ days from a brutal start on Vulcan while waiting for rescue is a pretty good effort. Bless the rank buttfungus for adding its blessed stench to your O2 tank.
I've tried this. There's 0.5 mol O2 per 1g of gold. With plants and nutrition, you just can't produce O2 fast enough to sustain both water production and have enough to breathe. You end up needing a heap of potatoes, and really, they don't produce O2 fast enough. You can do it with ferns added, and of course, darga ferns are king of o2 production but require trade. Personally, I feel trade is a necessary evil here. Use it to get what you need to be self sustainable. I get his point about being stranded here but yeah trade is there for a reason, why not use it to get purely a few ferns, get O2 production up and start becoming positive with both water and O2 production.
@@ptdafool3372 I tried a bit too but got nowhere but put it down as me being useless. I always end up chasing squirrels, even on a normal start. Maybe edit the start file so there is a variety of plants to begin with
@brainsquashed Yeah, editing the start conditions to include ferns would be marginal, but a huge help. I can get it working with a heap of ferns, so with the existing, I'd rush trade, get ferns in the pots ASAP and pray that can be expanded quickly enough before running out of O2. Might try a new playthrough doing that and see what happens. Potatoes alone just sap too much water for the oxygen produced. Ferns seem to profit slightly. Very slightly if you have your H2 combustor as efficient as possible. I had to get a second water filter up as well, just to produce water quickly enough. That was with about 50 pots at that point, tho lol
For the record: If you were playing "Until I can get rescued" trade is a viable option here. Imagine this: libertarian hell-scape. You have to PAY to get rescued. You don't have access to your accounts off-planet so you have to raise the funds for yourself. You have to choose a trader and sell them a threshold of goods to pay for them to land a ship that has life support to evac you (remember the ones you trade with are robots).
Mick - This like all your other videos I find very enjoyable to watch and learn from since there is always something to learn. Also, I am sure if you were aware or not. But your mining drill was running the entire time. By the way I have another thought on something you might want to try and I am not sure if it will work for you on Vulcan. But you might want to create an enclosed underground mining entire since I think the temperature might be lower ground during the day. Which would allow you to mine whenever you want if that is the case. Plus, I know in the past you said to me that you aren't big in working with others on MMO games. But if you happen to change your mind and might be interested in a game I am supporting during its development. I would be happy to buy you a game starter package since base building is coming to the game as well as crafting to and you might like to try it someday.
That much foliage in your underwear has GOT to itch. When you make a todo board, put down to test if flying closer to the black hole will increase the growth amount/speed. Also test if foot cheese can be a suitable potting material.
@@cowsareevil7514 i was more thinking of what happens if you blow a load of it in to the room. Ie if you change from 30% to 40% CO2, or similar, and the gas is 0C or lower. Wouldn’t want you to kill your fungus 😁
In this mod, plants return about 25% of consumed water back to atmo, did you consider it in your math? Also, you could recapture and filter unprocessed gasses from water combustor and forge instead of blowing it outside. You got too used to easy builds instead of efficient ones :p
Honestly I am not certain how crotch fungus is more legitimate than running the trading gameplay loop OR going with the never used gene splicing functions in the game. Edit: Making the plants use less water and produce more oxygen are certainly options and might just have been the difference in survival.
I'm curious as to why didn't you off gas your gold in to the h2 combustor to supplement the O2 coming from the plants... just might have covered your short fall, unless I'm missing something which is fairly likely🤔😜
Any reason to NOT set the volume pump to 100 when trying to empty a gas tank? I was under the impression that while a pressure difference influences the rate at which the gas is moved from A to B, the setting of the volume pump goes up to 100 for a reason.
Yah, I was afraid that with the mod it would not be net positive on oxygen.... if it was like a break even, you could exploit not eating or drinking, and healing with cryo chamber, that would be a hell of a way to survive xD
If I had started with genetics from the start I might have been better off. Reduce the water and increase the oxygen, but 30 days might not have been enough.
As others have said, could you not capture the offgas oxygen from gold. Either from the arc furnace or from a separate gold specific furnace heated via a heat exchanger to avoid the oxygen reacting with the volatiles in the atmosphere?
@@grandcookie2250 the point is it’s an untapped source of oxygen on Vulcan that can be recovered to create more water and to breathe. Degassing all the gold in a purpose built furnace with no volatiles with which it can combust creates a source of oxygen that can be used elsewhere. It’s a small amount but all adds up to make more water and breathable air.
@@Bradrackas Someone pointed out in another comment that the result is 0.5 mol O2 per 1g of gold; far from sustainable, and minimal at best toward extending the timer until you run out of oxygen because the potatoes don't produce fast enough to sustain with the plants and nutrition mod. If you want to play brutal Vulcan with the mod and no trade I fear ferns are probably something that will need adding into the minimal starting kit.
Just should of traded for some oxite or something, not seeing much difference at this point with crotch fungus and just using a game mechanic built into the game lol. Trade. Small traders sell ice. And since you’re already using mods , the trader mod that gives you more traders…
Thank you for saving the playthrough, crotch fungus!
What about processing the gases from the furnace for O2. Is it gold that gives of O2?
same, i think it could be worth running either an electric furnace in a gas box or a normal furnace cold to get the off gasses from the ores that give off o2
Crotch ferns. 😂
Love your work, as always. Would be interested to see how efficiencyefying your systems impacts your oxygen balance, as others have mentioned.
I also really love the idea of a Crash Landed scenario in Stationeers, where you have to put up, say, a sat dish to contact rescuers, a launch pad/runway for the rescue rocket/spaceplane to land with a beacon or something nearby. Then you have to survive x days from making contact till the rescue ship arrives.
Not for nothing, but surviving 30+ days from a brutal start on Vulcan while waiting for rescue is a pretty good effort.
Bless the rank buttfungus for adding its blessed stench to your O2 tank.
Ah, the humble crotch fungus ends up being the saviour of our protagonist! 🤣 "Life always finds a way", eh!
Do you think it would work with gas capture from gold using an arc furnace?
I've tried this. There's 0.5 mol O2 per 1g of gold. With plants and nutrition, you just can't produce O2 fast enough to sustain both water production and have enough to breathe. You end up needing a heap of potatoes, and really, they don't produce O2 fast enough. You can do it with ferns added, and of course, darga ferns are king of o2 production but require trade. Personally, I feel trade is a necessary evil here. Use it to get what you need to be self sustainable. I get his point about being stranded here but yeah trade is there for a reason, why not use it to get purely a few ferns, get O2 production up and start becoming positive with both water and O2 production.
@@ptdafool3372 I tried a bit too but got nowhere but put it down as me being useless. I always end up chasing squirrels, even on a normal start. Maybe edit the start file so there is a variety of plants to begin with
@brainsquashed Yeah, editing the start conditions to include ferns would be marginal, but a huge help. I can get it working with a heap of ferns, so with the existing, I'd rush trade, get ferns in the pots ASAP and pray that can be expanded quickly enough before running out of O2. Might try a new playthrough doing that and see what happens. Potatoes alone just sap too much water for the oxygen produced. Ferns seem to profit slightly. Very slightly if you have your H2 combustor as efficient as possible. I had to get a second water filter up as well, just to produce water quickly enough. That was with about 50 pots at that point, tho lol
Was kinda expecting totally legitamate fern trader to show up, was not prepared for totally legitamate crotch fungus tho.
Made me laugh hard
Crotch fungus, sound like something transmitted by a totally legitimate seed trader from the last time you were on Vulcan.
This condensation stuff boggles my mind
For the record: If you were playing "Until I can get rescued" trade is a viable option here.
Imagine this: libertarian hell-scape. You have to PAY to get rescued. You don't have access to your accounts off-planet so you have to raise the funds for yourself. You have to choose a trader and sell them a threshold of goods to pay for them to land a ship that has life support to evac you (remember the ones you trade with are robots).
Did you leave your drill on, that noise is very Wilson like 😢
Yup the whole episode lol. From the time he went mining until the end. I cant believe the battery lasted that long lol.
An ominous Wilsonian presence
Disappointing you had to take a shortcut, but still a lot of fun to watch.
I had to take the fail for this one. It was a slow spiral to death without the cheat.
@@cowsareevil7514 The nutrition mod multiplies the water consumption of plants by 500x or something.
You set your sights too far ahead and forgot the basics.
Basics like graphs and ingot / production automation.
Mick - This like all your other videos I find very enjoyable to watch and learn from since there is always something to learn. Also, I am sure if you were aware or not. But your mining drill was running the entire time.
By the way I have another thought on something you might want to try and I am not sure if it will work for you on Vulcan. But you might want to create an enclosed underground mining entire since I think the temperature might be lower ground during the day. Which would allow you to mine whenever you want if that is the case.
Plus, I know in the past you said to me that you aren't big in working with others on MMO games. But if you happen to change your mind and might be interested in a game I am supporting during its development. I would be happy to buy you a game starter package since base building is coming to the game as well as crafting to and you might like to try it someday.
It can be difficult to hear the drill over the noise of the computer fans.
@@cowsareevil7514 My bad sir. I tend to forget these things and to bad I cannot get you an A/C instead.
That much foliage in your underwear has GOT to itch.
When you make a todo board, put down to test if flying closer to the black hole will increase the growth amount/speed. Also test if foot cheese can be a suitable potting material.
That might attract the butt rabbits.
Lol his crotch fungus saved him.... First time a guy said that ever!!!
CO2 cooler was supposed to be 3650kpa, not 3450kpa.
I am good at that sort of mistake. It wont matter if it is a little colder. That is not enough to condense the CO2.
@@cowsareevil7514 i was more thinking of what happens if you blow a load of it in to the room. Ie if you change from 30% to 40% CO2, or similar, and the gas is 0C or lower. Wouldn’t want you to kill your fungus 😁
In this mod, plants return about 25% of consumed water back to atmo, did you consider it in your math?
Also, you could recapture and filter unprocessed gasses from water combustor and forge instead of blowing it outside.
You got too used to easy builds instead of efficient ones :p
A condensation valve was one of the first things I set up to racapture the water from the room.
@@cowsareevil7514 yea i know, i just asked if you considered it in math before deciding if you make it or not :)
Honestly I am not certain how crotch fungus is more legitimate than running the trading gameplay loop OR going with the never used gene splicing functions in the game.
Edit: Making the plants use less water and produce more oxygen are certainly options and might just have been the difference in survival.
I'm curious as to why didn't you off gas your gold in to the h2 combustor to supplement the O2 coming from the plants... just might have covered your short fall, unless I'm missing something which is fairly likely🤔😜
Any reason to NOT set the volume pump to 100 when trying to empty a gas tank?
I was under the impression that while a pressure difference influences the rate at which the gas is moved from A to B, the setting of the volume pump goes up to 100 for a reason.
Turbo pumps go up to 100. Volumes pumps go up to 10.
@22:27 is that just me or does it look like the weather station is turned off?
It is off, but you can see if a storm is coming if the cups are spinning
He has not connected it yet, I think.
Inned to move it to a more obvious location where I cant miss it when i leave. I will forget to check it one day.
Yah, I was afraid that with the mod it would not be net positive on oxygen.... if it was like a break even, you could exploit not eating or drinking, and healing with cryo chamber, that would be a hell of a way to survive xD
If I had started with genetics from the start I might have been better off. Reduce the water and increase the oxygen, but 30 days might not have been enough.
@@cowsareevil7514 Yeh 30 days for genetics + all the stuff you have to do in brutal to get by, yah to much at the same time
How the heck have you made your new cooler work with orange pipes? Be careful of explosions!
As others have said, could you not capture the offgas oxygen from gold. Either from the arc furnace or from a separate gold specific furnace heated via a heat exchanger to avoid the oxygen reacting with the volatiles in the atmosphere?
That's just a 1 time oxygen deposit, it doesn't solve any permanent issues
@@grandcookie2250 the point is it’s an untapped source of oxygen on Vulcan that can be recovered to create more water and to breathe. Degassing all the gold in a purpose built furnace with no volatiles with which it can combust creates a source of oxygen that can be used elsewhere. It’s a small amount but all adds up to make more water and breathable air.
Does lead still produce O2 as well? Easy to locate with sensor lenses, and before it's too late!
@@RobinXe not according to the Stationeers wiki
@@Bradrackas Someone pointed out in another comment that the result is 0.5 mol O2 per 1g of gold; far from sustainable, and minimal at best toward extending the timer until you run out of oxygen because the potatoes don't produce fast enough to sustain with the plants and nutrition mod. If you want to play brutal Vulcan with the mod and no trade I fear ferns are probably something that will need adding into the minimal starting kit.
LoL, i can't stop laughing.
Just should of traded for some oxite or something, not seeing much difference at this point with crotch fungus and just using a game mechanic built into the game lol. Trade. Small traders sell ice. And since you’re already using mods , the trader mod that gives you more traders…