Now THAT'S What I Call a Suppressor Mount!
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- The "Plan B" taper mount is originally a Q design, but thanks to companies like Rearden, Liberty Precision Machine, and others it has become one of the most well supported suppressor mount interfaces on the market. The upshot is a huge variety of Plan B compatible suppressor adapters and muzzle devices. Plus also as a cool bonus it just works!
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Corrections:
2:41 According to my "suppressor guy," Griffin's taper mount came out before Q's Plan B, but didn't get the name "Plan A" until later, probably as a reference to Plan B. 
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Nice review! We agree, the Plan B pattern taper mount is a fantastic mounting system. Locks up securely, its lightweight, and compact.
I just got an OCL Polonium K and I'm using Rearden mounts and when i unthread the suppressor the hub mount tends to stick to the muzzle device and unthread itself from the suppressor. Is there anything I can do to prevent this? Kinda makes me nervous. Should I add a small dab of rocksett to the hub mount?
@@armorers_wrenchYes, definitely Rocksett and torque according to Rearden specs.
@@benjaminfish7602 Alright. Prior to my approval I only had access to the can at an indoor range so I was pretty limited on what I could do. Probably the torque alone will take care of this issue. I noticed in the box they have a little vice block to put the suppressor in a vice(I assume) and I gots me a good torque wrench and some high temp thread locker.
Ohhh shit loot at hop. He made it to the big time with silencershop commenting on his video. Good for you
Wish you would get with YHM and have them ship the SRX adapters with the cans.... Just bought a Resonator R2 and its being shipped with phantom QD... going to have to fork over 200 more bucks for new mount/muzzle device.
Uh oh, Hop talked good about something. Hurry up and buy it before it gets discontinued 😅
Well if you don't mind the Q version it'll never be discontinued
@@skoshi_tempestWhat if he praises that too? 🤔
Liberty Precision thread protectors are out of stock now…thanks Hop.
@@limpetarch98k he'd never, Kevin's personality is too irritating to Hop I'm sure
Love Plan B ecosystem. Revival Defense has a new epic 3 prong that is actually a good flash hider instead of the dinky, useless rearden 3 prong. Glad I swapped that.
Are you talking about the 3p15? That's the one I just got, didn't have any plan to suppress it but maybe I will.
Garbage taper mount with threads doesn’t come close to surefire qd….
Take 'er down a notch there, bud. You're getting real close to sounding a little happy.
_See how that ACU cammo completely conceals that cat!”_ - US Army, circa. 2005
'Army Combat Uniform Camo'. Oh boy.
The thing you said about the exposed threads being potentially damaged while in normal use made me realize why Surefire likely made such an unusual attachment system. They aren't the only ones to make a thread-less attachment system, but it seems to be a military specific requirement. Now I know why.
Liberty Precision Machine makes a thread protector if you're worried.
Directionally ported 🤷🏽
I don't know that it's a mil req, the ops inc is threaded.
@@highdesertdrew1844 thats like 20 years old at this point
Q offers several thread protector designs that act as brakes
Worth checking out Revival Defense too!
Those guys have been pretty legit to me for their shipping speed and customer service. Can't testify though on their muzzle devices as I'm in the ASR system.
Honestly the best muzzle devices for this mounting solution! I have both the 6315rf and 3P15. And they do exactly what forward controls and revival defense designed them to do. Mitigate flash and direct muzzle blast. While mounting a can. I would suggest a thread protector like HOP if playing exposed.
@@jasongaudreau2075thanks for the lead. I just picked up the 3p15 thanks to your tip. I hadn’t heard of these guys
@@jasongaudreau2075thanks for the lead. I just picked up the 3p15 thanks to your tip. I hadn’t heard of these guys
My OCL Polonium K just got approved after 6 days. The Form 4's really are going quickly right now. This was my first ever NFA item and I filed as an individual.
6 days!? Jeez. My SBR is still "in progress" after 10 months.
Submitted mine on 3/27. Why can’t mine be this fast 😑
I’m the exact same except I’m on day 52 of waiting.
Going into frickin week 5 for me... 1st one 😢
@@Kycirion did you file as an individual or trust and was it form 1 or form 4?
Many of us were clamoring for a common mount back during the QD and DB wars of the early 2000's. I still remember folks justifying every purchase with "you buy the best because it's a lifetime investment", only to turn around and buy the next hotness 6 months later that was completely incompatible with their other stuff...
Glad that people will be able to use and buy the products that Hop talks about 3 years after he talks about them. As long as they're still being made when they become available again.
Polonium-k in stock at Capitol armory
Rearden atlas in stock east valley tactical (on reardens dealer page)
Atlas XL in stock multiple places
I just order my polo last night, and atlas today. Still debating on muzzle device, liberty bell or rearden single port brake (both in stock)
I was very close to going with this mount, but I went with Dead Air Xeno. Similar design, a little bit longer adapter, but LH threads. I'm pretty happy with it
Same!
Glad someone said this. It’s got all the benefits of plan b but it has lh threads like he complimented Huxwrx for having.
The gospel of Rearden praise be. Rearden on everything.
😂
I just switched from ASR to Rearden / Plan B like a month ago. It is SO much lighter. Especially with the titanium adapter. I have the Atlas on my main suppressor but I'm thinking about picking up the Revival Defense titanium adapter for my other can. It's a little lower profile and has slots to use a castle nut wrench to tighten it down. I have a few Rearden muzzle devices but my favorite is the 3P15 from revival defense. It's a 2 inch three prong and it's awesome. They also make an A2 style muzzle device that's compatible with it
Plan b is the stuff. Look up diligent defense zilch. It is the most compact plan b compatible adapter i could find, on top of that, it's one of the cheapest and made out of titanium.
Theres also the wolfpack armory one that actually eats up some of the blast chamber for even shorter mount
@@mrs.vasquezz In fact I am using zilch along with wolfpack's flash hider and I love that combo. From what I saw in the video zilch is deeper, it completely covers the wrench flats, while wolfpack covers about a half. Both are great depending on the build.
@@not_your_business666if it covers up the wrench flats, how are you supposed to get the muzzle device out of the mount if it gets stuck? Isn’t the whole point of aftermarket plan B mounts is to have exposed wrench flats unlike the original Q plan B mounts which only has a wrench interface at the front?
@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd the opening is wide enough to stick a wrench in it.
@@not_your_business666 what kind of wrench? A spanner wrench definitely would not fit if the flats are covered. Perhaps a socket if it’s large enough but that’s not something most people have at home. Adjustable spanner wrenches are ubiquitous, and so are automotive ratcheting socket wrenches and torque wrenches.
Recently switched over to this system with the Rd Atlas R on my Polo K, really wished I switched over much earlier lol, it’s awesome
This is way too positive. Unsubbing, faith completely lost
Hop lopped off
Virgin 4 life
This real? I don't know what to think about it.🤷♂️
😂 same. But only until something reminds me of “thunder chicken,” then I’m coming right back out of nostalgia.
SD tactical has titanium mounts and muzzle devices too, good small company with great service
Wow those are really cheap.
I have a few of these. They work really well. I like the more positive wrench flats on the SD Tactical mounts than those on the Rearden Atlas.
Great video, thanks for the mention! We have several new muzzle devices and mounts planned for the near future.
Thanks for the no nonsense videos. Looking forward to the next one.
I stumbled into the Rearden/Plan B mounting interface system, and it’s the only system I’ve ever been satisfied with. Great review Hop
I went with Rearden as well. Using both the DPB and flash riders. Good video Hop!
I think a good word for this situation that describes the oppose of neutrally-timed when it comes to muzzle devices would be directionally-timed or specifically-timed.
Neutrally timed doesn’t even make any sense. It’s either timed (directional porting) or un-timed (omnidirectional or equal porting). 3 prong and 4 prong flash hiders are either self-timing (self-torquing) or designed to just bottom out with the tines in any position. Likewise with A1 style birdcages which have omnidirectional porting.
Neutrally ported means the ports aren’t canted left or right. The ports can also be left-biased or right-biased to correct for muzzle drift. It’s entirely separate from the type of muzzle device. You can’t neutrally time a flash hider or brake which is omnidirectional, because it can’t be timed in the first place.
Forward controls design also makes a few nice muzzle devices for rearden/Plan B as well
I run plan b on all of my guns and rearden muzzle devices. Havent had any issues yet
Good video. Have a bunch of Q and Rearden stuff. A few notes: uncoated golden color maintains better tolerances than PVD. That may or may not matter to your use case. The point about using a thread protector if you are going to bash things around is valid. As to the Cherry Bomb - it was designed to be extremely light, with at 1.6 oz, it is. As opposed to most muzzle devices for cans, which are around 4 oz. This (weight savings) is also why they didn’t put wrench flats on it, which if you don’t use a tapered muzzle, can be an issue with the mount getting stuck in the can. I have never had that problem because I put enough Rocksett on it. Hint hint. Having said all that, I prefer the Rearden R2 for carbines/SBRs. The CB I use on SPR and bolt guns.
8:59 Big fan of the guys at Wolfpack Armory. 👍
and I'm a big fan of you Sean
@@j.burden gay
I'm new to being a suppressor owner, and the one can I have came with an Atlas and a SPB from Rearden.
So far it's worked very well, the can gets moved between 3 rifles. One has the SPB the other two the short 3 prong flash hider from Rearden. Has always gone on easy and stayed in place through transport and firing. Plan B seems to be a very reasonably priced system too, which makes it nice to outfit multiple rifles for suppressor mobility.
I enjoyed the Plan B Rearden mounts but I switched over to the Xeno mount. Similar benefits to the plan B but reverse threaded
I originally wanted Xeno, but they were OOS forever.
What’s reverse threading do?
@@kevinbrittingham6774it makes the bullet spin backwards
Honorable mention for plan b pattern. FPM Gun Works. The Sparkler is great for pin & weld. No pinging sound.
Hop, I have been using Rearden muzzle decices for my rifles and bought a bunch for all tue thread pitches I need. Best price around too!
That Leupold HAMR Sig 516 setup is sick. Especially with a can on the end.
I put the Rearden R2C on most of my rifles. It's an A2 flash hider (the greatest muzzle device ever created) with suppressor mount threads, which is exactly what I wanted in a muzzle device.
The Q cherry bomb is fun, but only if you want the largest possible muzzle blast from your rifle. If that's the case, boy does it deliver.
Jon @ FocusTripp has been sporting these for a while now, even with his YHM can/s. He's installed a couple on uppers I've bought from him. GREAT devices, glad to see yourself shedding even more light on these.
- Godspeed
I bought a few Xeno muzzle devices because it's tapered / left hand thread. But it looks like Plan B has sort of been anointed as the taper mounting system of the people?
You go over several companies in the video, and here's one more: Forward Controls Design. They make a A2-style closed-bottom flash hider for Xeno, but looks like they have started making the same thing for the Plan B system as well now.
And it looks like Forward Controls Design loves working with a company called Revival Defense, which is another company that makes Plan B compatible mounts.
So yeah at least for me it seems like Plan B has more support than other taper systems such as Xeno or sRx etc.
I love my rearden stuff, I’ve been using them for about two years .
Rearden for everything.
I’ve been checking out a few different systems for my first can. Might try the dead air xeno. Great video as always
The LP pin and weld is actually really useful for specific builds. On my 14.5, I needed the length of a longer muzzle device to get past SBR, however, I have DA cans that require shallow muzzle length (sacrificial baffle) when running a rearden atlas . I could have solved this issue by putting the rearden xl on my can, but I wanted the slim version to get the shortest overall length when I run it on other guns - especially my SBR. The LP pin and weld is EXACTLY what I needed!
Liberty Bell Precision also makes Plan brakes that are pre drilled for 13.7 or 14.5 pin and weld.
I PERSONALLY like keymo the best because, even though not as proven as surefire in terms of a ratcheting system, still very tested and tried while having a HUGE atmosphere. Plus, don't have to worry about damaging threads
My first can was a thunderchicken, my second was a yhm turbo and I wanted to run the same muzzle device, by switching to the plan b it cut almost 2" off the overall length and made it significantly lighter. I now have 8 cans on plan b and rearden atlas and about 18 rifles that are mount with cherry bombs and rearden flash hider. It's by far my favorite system, it's small and light and never had anything back off on me or carbon locked. Also get a whistle tip to put over the brake. The cherry bomb is awful as a muzzle device but awesome as a supressor mount, I started switching to rearden flash hider.
I’ve seen and heard many great things about Rearden Products. They had a great demo booth at the Lethal Weapons TX event last year. I’ll definitely check their stuff out to get a muzzle device for my AR. Also, I’m very excited to participate in my first rifle competition at Kalash Bash 2069 here in South Texas this weekend. Seems like an event that you, BrassFacts, and the whole gang would really enjoy. Y’all should make the trip someday if you’re able!
I've converted a bunch of gun for my Saker 556 to Rearden Atlas over ASR. You don't save as many ounces as you might think, but it does shave a few. It also shortens the can on the Saker. I have a Velos I picked up today (6 day stamp) that I might convert also. I have some of the ASR A2 muzzle devices and I like them over the other choices, especially when you have the can off.
Long-time Rearden enjoyer. Solid company.
I was waiting for a set of reviews on suppressor mounts and am glad you provided a couple: one not so good and one very positive. I am not confident in my Plan B purchase.
Good stuff, Hop.
The heat treated finish matches my rex silentium perfectly. Surprised a value + affordable oriented person like yourself hasn't reviewed them yet. They even have a flow through can.
The owner of Rearden is an awesome dude! Buy from him and he will treat you right.
Also just got a polonium k. My first can. I have two rearden flash hiders for my ARs so that I can swap the can between them. I still need to get a thread protector though good point.
Im just here to rep Xeno mounts, and mention Griffin Camlok for pistols. Xeno is designed to not be timed and theyre reverse thread so removing the can wont lossen the muzzle device or mount. Never had one stick but i do keep a 1-1/8 wrench in my bag just for removing a hot suppressor.
Oh, SOLGW has a NOX Xeno mount and LMT is using Xeno as the base for their mounting system. Theyre making brakes that are timed.
Rearden is awesome and I was so happy to see this review pop up! I would love to see you review some Eccomachine cans
Dude for real. Ecco is awesome.
Noticed the HAMR on one of your rifles.
Love the magnified part and dislike the Delta Point.
Great video.
Installed a Rearden single baffle brake on my 1894 lever gun in 44mag and had it pinned/welded to 16". Running it with a TiRant 45S can with a Plan B adapter - this combination NEEDS to be torqued together correctly or it will loosen due to a slight design oversight by Q... but that's another story.
To put things in perspective, within 100 rounds of some blazing-hot handloads, the following had loosened - every single receiver screw, the takedown screw, the front sight screws, the mag tube stud (dovetailed to barrel), the mag tube stud screw, the handguard tip tenon (dovetailed and STAKED to barrel), and the handguard itself, which ended up wobbling 1" side-to-side due to the loose tip tenon. The only thing that didn't shoot itself loose was the Plan B adapter to the Rearden brake. Good shit.
My gf uses Plan B. Thank God! I too also love a handful of cans.
In all seriousness, thanks for the video. Not sure why I watch and tease myself here in Commifornia.
I'm considering this system. I like the weight savings it offers. Not crazy about the exposed threads, but FCD has thread protectors for them.
Edit: just realized that Liberty Precision Machine also makes the thread protectors. Looks like the one Hop used in this video.
Dude your content is always so dam informative
I've had a TAPS for about a year, and I do recommend it. The only objective problem is ALL the weight is forward so unless you have a full body it will spill forward. I just duct taped a USGI hydration bladder pack to the back and it balanced it out just fine.
TAPS is designed to be used as part of a system including hydration pack and plate carrier. The ability to use it as a standalone system is a secondary capability. That being said, if you adjust it properly (and don't add anything on the front) it's not too bad. I run 7 AR magazines, an IFAK 2 on the far left, and a radio pouch and tourniquet pouch on the far right, and it's as comfortable as you could expect from a secondary LBV.
Can't speak to your OSS/HuxWrx cans, but neither of mine get locked onto the gun to the point I need to use a wrench. When they were new it happened one or two times, but since then they haven't. Several thousand rounds between an 556ti and 762ti. I do wipe off the tapered portion of the mount and suppressor with a paper towel whenever I remove it after shooting. I also think it's important to get it fairly tight when you first install it to eliminate any gap in the tapered portion and prevent carbon buildup.
I ordered the Xeno system. Similar but LH threads
I'm just here to support fellow Xeno users.
One of the few things that doesn't piss him off
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I feel like Xeno is objectively better seeing as its functionality-wise the same as the Raerden except you can't accidentally unthread your muzzle device due to carbon locking. I think its a shame that it never caught on
Just correctly install your muzzle 🤷🏽♀️
Rearden is great stuff. I use a theirs exclusively for my few suppressors.
This is the route I'd recommend if you don't go native key-mo or a straight barrel to suppressor direct thread. I like the fact that i don't have to mess with locking collars or risk adapters detaching.
That said, if I'm going HUB-mount compatible, it's plan b style for the low profile look.
KGM has been doing this for a while. Same type of taper system. Works amazing - especially for impact consistency when swapping around guns.
I switched to rearden from the YHM system, I was only into YHM for 1 flash hider and the mount, glad I did. The rearden is a lot lighter and more low profile and the wolfpack armory flash hider was pretty cheap and fits well.
I assume you're talking about the Phantom qd and not the newer SRX taper system from YHM?
@@Sin526is SRX taper system any good?
@@kylematthes1646sRx system is 10/10 and not sure what Hop is foaming at the mouth about, but it does everything Plan B does. Lol
Stays tight when you want it to, comes off easily when you want it to, and threads stay clean…there’s really nothing else to ask for in a suppressor mount.
BALLER REVIEW HOP!!
10:47 Hop confirms he can't handle it raw
Nailed it on the comparison to red
10:12 Now I am seriously hyped for another discontinued optics review
I've been using the Rearden atlas since 2022, maybe even 2021. I absolutely love the system. I replaced my former Dead air stuff with all Rearden. However, going forward, i'm going to go witht he Wolfpack version, because i love how low profile it is. I use a SPB anyways, so it doesn't matter for my clearance.
Love my Rearden mounts
Very similar mount system to BK Precise suppressors from Poland. I've been using their DEAF45 cans for 2 years now, good stuff at reasonable prices. Best thing - no need to adjust the gas system.
I went with Griffin Armament taper mount system to use with Recce 5 & 7. Just got their new Snch 2 charging handle. They make some nice products.
Hop, you should check out Griffins armament cans. I'm 100% positive they would send you some for review with the quick NFA waits now. They have made some stealth upgrades on their Dual-lok 5.
Any day a Hop video drops is a good day
I'm a fan of 51tooth cans. Everyone of my rifles has that system with a break or blackout flash hiders and love them.
"Now THAT's what I call Music!"
I bought an plan b to silencerco charlie mount adapter and for a hybrid 46m. I’m now formally swapping to plan b muzzle devices.
I have the Silencerco ASR mount single port brake on my AR9 and is great does what I need it to and doesn’t add to much length
I too am a Rearden Plan B with YHM cans enjoyer.
Hop, serious question… I’ve got a Griffin gen 2 blast can on a pistol and I love it matched with their no longer sold 2 chamber brake. I wanted to try their gate lok qd system, and I love it. Is the qd system for the M4SD 2 a decent purchase for a can that the family could easily use?
Yeah, the Rearden Plan B stuff is all I use now
Dude… thank you!
lol I run both the heat treat and the nitride finish. My suppressor is HT soo it matches.
So where can I get rose gold controls for my AR to match my Plan B muzzle device?
I used to follow Andrew of ocl before ocl was even a thing. He posted funny gun memes. It's neat to see them grow to a point that I see them in RUclips videos
New suppressor? Hopefully this means a comparison video will be coming??? Just so happen to be looking into the 2 you own.
How’s the muzzle flash at night with the rearden FHD (retro looking 3 prong) are the tines long enough so that there isn’t a fire ball? Lookin to get the polo k when I settle down in a free(er) state but will have to shoot with no can till then, really interested in the Rearden FHD and the FCD 6315RF.
Were you using a SIG 516 upper at the 4:10? If so how has it been for you running suppressed? Not like I'll ever be able to suppress it in my state but I'm just curious how you view it vs a typical DI system considering you have a lot of experience suppressing.
so much positive to say. have you been paid for a review? great video
Hop that rifle at 5:30 looks suspiciously like my first AR build -- DD M4V4 with the Leupold HAMR. Pretty certain yours isn't the same rifle, the DD didn't come with (what looks to be at least on yours) an adjustable gas block and the rail is slightly different but appears to be the same style 9" quad pic rail.
I got a supressor in 2016 just before the law regarding trusts changed a bit and got an aac sdn6. Its the only one I have experience with but i really like the 51t rachet attachment, seems to do its job well on different platforms, i dont seem to ever experience any issues. I was wondering why it seems right around the time i got into it, aac became less and less popular. These days I seem to see more yhm, dead air (probably the most), and silencer co.
For now it seems easy enough to keep finding muzzle devices but i worry it may get more difficult with time. Doesn't seem to be any aftermarket support for it.
Why is that, what happened to aac?
I'm hoping the advent of non-suppressor Plan B muzzle accessories is drawing near. Thread protection is a big bonus but something like a cheap flash can should've been available already.
I've been considering which can i should get for my first one and i keep coming back to the griffon M4 it uses a gate lock to lock onto any in spec A2 birdcage any input on why that would or wouldn't work out well
I know this is wildly off-topic but I would be extremely interested to hear what Hop would have to say about attempting to mount a primary arms microprism in a pseudo-magnifier capacity or as an offset optic altogether. I have seen a few people running with a red dot primarily and utilizing either setup for the less frequent shots that might occur at long range, this is primarily coming from the competition shooting scene. It seems like a solid idea as the red dot is the primary optic and if ranging is needed the prism optic offers holds and ranging solutions on the fly, while retaining the red dot in a familiar and ergonomic position; particularly suited for use with NV. It seems like an interesting premise and even more feasible with the continuous shrinking of the prism-style optics.
Q makes awesome products. I wish other gun companies invested in engineering like they do
Q has thought up some interesting products but their actually assembly and engineering is not so good. Can't even assemble their own BCG's correctly.
@@RandyTheB_ yet other manufacturers use their designs over and over again
@@RandyTheB_wtf? That’s just untrue.
Would love to see you do a video on the Griffin Armament GATE-LOK attachment system that are on their M4SD series of suppressors. They attach straight onto A2 flash hiders and people have had luck with them on pin and weld rifles with extended A2 flash hiders like BCM's A2X (provided they were installed properly with shims or at the very least weren't installed on overly crooked crush washers). It's a damn good system that saves you tons of money by not purchasing several hundred dollars' worth of proprietary mounts and hub adapters for every rifle you own.
It works well but leaks a lot of gas since there’s no tapered surface and it has to be slightly oversize to accommodate manufacturing tolerances between the large number of A2 muzzle devices. The rotex NATO system has a ratchet which helps to seal the backend somewhat. The Gemtech HALO style of collar mount for A2 muzzle devices also seals up better but it’s heavier and longer and requires more clearance behind the muzzle device. There are pros and cons to every mounting system, some have fewer compromises than others.
0:42 From what company is that hand guard and gas block? It looks great.
I originally was going to go with rearden until I found out that Kaw Valley makes ASR compatible compensators for half the price of the rearden. JK also makes a compatible hub mount that does not have the active spring retention.
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