How Submarines Docked While Underwater - DSRV-2 Avalon - Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Avalon is one of only 2 Mystic Class Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle, built in the 1970's and retired in the early 2000's it was a submarine rescue system designed to fly anywhere in the world within 24 hours and begin a rescue operation.
It was constructed by Lockheed in Sunnyvale, California, and the Draper designed control & Navigation system borrowed heavily from technology developed for the Apollo program.
DSRV-2 Avalon is on display at the Morro Bay Maritime Museum
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oh man, this is a strange rocket
Submarines are just rockets for a different world.
A water rocket
Twr is pretty bad
Yes it certainly is !! But Scott is also a very, very Stange Bird himself !! Super Special as well !!
@@pogolaugh reverse the sign on the pressure difference numbers and that's basically true
It was used once to capture a soviet submarine with a futuristic propulsion system. I've seen a documentary about that. Sean Connery was the soviet subs captain
The XO died, got cloned by a company named InGen, and lived out his dream life in Montana-- digging up dinosaurs.
@@BogeyTheBear Until he started studying theoretical physics and figured out how to fold space and ended up in hell.
Sad to say, that's actually a fictional story. The sub in question sank - the sonar operator on the surface vessel above heard a torpedo hit the hull, and Darth Vader was never there.
was that before or after he helped thwart the terrorist bioweapon attacks on alcatraz island?
Here's a very good documentary about that event: ruclips.net/video/TvAueVn6Fzo/видео.html
I served on the Avalon 1981-1985. The Museum recruited me as a volunteer. That lower hatch was discarded before the museum took it over. I fabricated that lower hatch to provide security
I was aboard the USS Pigeon during that time period. Was quite the experience we had with the DSRVs.
@@CapnDan57 Were you on board when the Avalon ran out of power and you guys had to do an emergency surface recovery in state 4 seas?
@@scoutdynamics3272 I don't recall that incident, but maybe. I was aboard May'83 through May '85. Shipyard in Long Beach, then Hawaii for three months, then to Fairway Rock in the Bering Straits...ran through some heavy seas on that one.
@capn dan....i was onboard pigeon jan 82-aug 84
Scott, I spent 20 years on US submarines, good video. The only thing I would say if that while we never used them for spec ops there was a fake one on the back of the parche, allegedly. I would add that based on the depths of water around the world the odds of ever using one of these was astronomically low. Basically these existed so that congressman and mothers could feel better about the dangers we faced.
Dive safe
I was lead guy for Parche repairs, when she was brand new. They were welded down to eliminate the chance of noise.
Then there was Kursk
Not allegedly, and only half fake. As the Parche guy said, it was welded down. It was a diver lockout chamber (badly) disguised as a DSRV. There’s a picture of the Parche passing underneath the Golden Gate Bridge in at least a couple of submarine books.
World Needs @scottmanley & Adam Savage to visit a museum together.
+1
Blast from the past, I was involved with DSRV operations as an SSN sailor 30 years ago. This is how you construct a DSV... spheres, not carbon fiber toilet-paper tubes.
Did you know my brother, Fred Merrick? He was on the Avalon from the christening. He snuck me and my dad onto Moffet to see it. Amazing! 😊
I may swing and miss, BUT, as a guy who has built and executed large units’ loading plans back in the 90’s, I can tell you that converting C130’s to C-141’s, it was pretty straightforward. With C-5’s, cross loading from one to several other aircraft was …interesting. Even the Air Force mucked it up! When my unit was alerted that we were going to the Balkans, we first asked where in the “Wide World of Deployment Asset’s” did we fall. Top of the list was the first reply. Already having deployed my Airborne Signal Company by air 3 times up to that point, I told them I needed 3 C-141’s or 1.35 C-5’s. Not trying to be glib, it became: 2 C-5 or 3 C141 planes. We were told, Monday, that we should expect aircraft to be arriving around the following Tuesday. Folks were miffed that I was making them work 18 hour shifts with 9 of those hours always superimposed on the next shift. Then, around 6:00/0600/oh 6 hundred/6am/and for you really slow ones, the big hand was on the 12 and the little hand was on the 6/for marines, just ask the person ext to you!
Anyway, at 0607 someone knocked on my office door so I knew it was important, as the instructions on my door were of the effect of death, birth, WW3 or that the Operation was nixed. Close. I was told that the USASOC Headquarters just received word that our deployment airplanes had just landed at the next door Air Force airfield. Trying to sound more awake than I actually was, I asked “how many of them so far?” There was a long pause; “all of them sir”. I shifted gears, “Sergeant, please define “all of them.”
“Sir, 2 C-5’s and 4 C-141’s!” 💭 WTF!??!
So I re-read the diagrams from above, a 3 ‘141 mission converted into what we have, on hand today, would look like this, a C-141 has 10 “palate spaces” compared to a C-5’s configuration of 36 pallet spaces, 18 per side. Meaning that the ENTIRE system could be deployed by a single airplane. However, if it was up to me, I would sent one full plane, followed, about 2 hours later, by an “awe shit” plane. What is does the “awe shit” plane do? That plane is there in case anything goes wrong with the primary airplane, because when the pilot finds out that his plane is broke and can’t fly or reliably get his precious cargo to the accident site, usually utters “Awe Shit.” Why 2 hours? Because that is about how LONG it will take to get everything off the 1st plane and have it ready for the next plane.
I created this video for a deep submergence reunion about 2 years ago and in one section it shows the DSRV being loaded into a C-5. It Ould also be squeezed into a C-141. I personally accompanied Mystic to Norway on a C-5.
ruclips.net/video/D2jNrjngvng/видео.html
"Mating under pressure" - literally the description of my marriage...
I like to use the colloquial illustration of having to pick buckshot out of the wedding cake...
Imagine touring those pieces of great engineering and then find that Scott Manley is explaining the story and function of the device at his camera while you are looking at it.
That would be so cool.
I would burst a shit ton of questions to him ^^
Best tour guide ever, just follow him around and when the video's over just encourage him to think out loud about the exhibits.
There are a few other reasons why submarine to submarine submerged transfer of survivors was desirable.
Firstly, surface conditions might make recovering the DSRV to a surface ship to offload and resupply impossible. Staying underwater mitigates the weather issue.
Secondly, you might be rescuing a crew from somewhere they weren’t supposed to be, having had an accident whilst doing something a bit sneaky. Not having to rely on a surface rescue fleet would have been handy if you wanted to be discreet. Ultimately you might want to rescue the intelligence and intelligence gatherers first, crew second.
Finally, transferring horizontally through the water to another submarine would be quicker than ascending than descending vertically.
Second reason, part bravo: you might want to rescue the crew of a Soviet submarine without anyone in Moscow knowing they were even still alive.
@@Sableagle "I read your book, Ryan. Your conclusions were all wrong. Halsey acted shtupidly."
@@Sableagle see that's a document I'm going to have fun reading when it gets declassified.
Addendum to the second reason. Even if you're in somewhere you're allowed to be, you don't want the Soviets, or anyone else, knowing the exact location of a downed submarine that they could recover, Project Azorian style.
We always knew there was little chance for rescue or escape if we went down, but it was always nice to know we had an option available.
Also that no part of it was made by Logitech?
@@Sableagle No, this was made by a bunch of 50-year-old white guys, many of them Navy vets.
@@RCAvhstape In other words, people oceangate would never hire.
@@mattstorm360 Exactly, which is why this vehicle never imploded.
Other than "welp, heres the key to the small arms locker if you want to use that way"?
24 people in there!? That’s a tight squeeze!
submarine seamen are smaller
I'd curl up with anyone to be rescued from the deep!
@@marcogenovesi8570no wonder they are called "little swimmers"
Never underestimate the motivating power of “do it or die”.
Have a look a Singapore's DSAR 6, it's smaller, but can seat 13, at a squeeze.
Amazing technology. And as an added bonus, the DSRV project provided a convenient cover for the US Navy’s saturation diving programs, which involved submarines (like the USS Halibut and others) cruising around with cylindrical DSRV-shaped diver lockout/decompression chambers welded to their hulls. These were used for such exploits as IVY BELLS, a secret program which wiretapped Soviet undersea communication cables, and doubtless other things.
Kudos to the Morro Bay Maritime Museum - they’ve done an amazing job of restoring the Avalon since last time I was there.
Thanks for the Halibut reference, it was interesting reading. 👍
I've done a sea survival course, and part of that is clambering in to a life raft. There were 12 of us in a raft designed for 18 which could take 24, and it was a squeeze. And it was probably not much smaller than one of those pressure vessels. I mean sure, if my life depended on it I would dogpile to the max, but damn it would be uncomfortable.
I was wondering about the number of people vs the apparent size of those domes.
Not as uncomfortable as the hours spent waiting for the oxygen to run out. 🤷♂
I wish I had teachers like Scott Manley who showed excitement and passion about their subjects they were explaining. Really keeps your attention and makes you want to learn more.
'My mother always said...'
"There's no such thing as a boring subject, just a boring teacher."
The Soviets and later Russians had their own version of these, the _Priz_ -class. As you suggest, they were indeed used for missions other than just rescue. In 2005, the _AS-28_ was being used to perform maintenance on a static hydrophone array when it became entangled, and the rescue sub had to be rescued.
Nothing says russian like half of their hardware being used to rescue the other half
@@noname-wo9yy Well, technically they ended up being rescued by the Royal Navy that time...
@@noname-wo9yy USSR literally had one of the best subnavies in history, russians on the other hand...
@@robertkalinic335,
Arguably mostly (but not entirely) by sheer weight of numbers rather than any significant qualitative edge
A Spaceship for another kind of space.
Close enough, and interesting as heck.
Thank you! 🙂
There's a lot more details in "The Silent War: The Cold War Battle Beneath the Sea", the author John P Craven was in charge of the DSRV project and has a chapter dedicated to the project:
amzn.to/3DotGA6
Again, thanks to the Morro Bay Maritime Museum for maintaining this display - morrobaymaritime.org/
Thanks for the links :)
Shouldn't your characteristic farewell have been "Float safe?" something of a missed opportunity.
We visited Morro Bay about a decade ago, but completely missed this. As far as C-141 or C-5, they were all built at AF Plant 6 Marietta, Georgia.
@@Tomyironmaneor dive save
Scott, let me know when you'd like to talk about XCOR and Lynx.
I respect a youtuber who can double check their work and correct themselves.
Yeah, the robotic manipulator was entirely there to clear access to a submarine's escape hatch. It had absolutely _nothing_ to do with the fact that a sub like this was ideal for all sorts of undersea shenanigans like cable-tapping.
Just like using an attack sub as the mothership was 100% about under-ice functionality, and not stealth...
Edit: Scott acknowledges this at 10:20
I was stationed at Pt Loma in the late 70's and we did a SubSunk exercise with the Avalon. Flew her in on a C 5 to North Island and barged her over to the sub base and put her on the back of the USS Guitarro, SSN 665 (I think, might have been Pintado). Singled up all lines then said, Okay, send her back to Connecticut.
This was Scott Manley’s video. Dive safe.
I was just rereading The Hunt for Red October. Mystic and Avalon play a significant role.
And Clancy described the design pretty well. :P
We’ll never forget how the Mystique took over that Soviet Prototype SSBN. Dive save!
Working for AT&T I used to see the Mystic at NAS North Island during the early 80s. It had it's own special building. I think I even saw the Alvin at one time housed there too. Very cool being up close.
Scott, I was in the US Submarine Service from 1974 to 1978. DSRV 1 and 2 was in service at that time.
In the end I expected some "dive safe" 🙂
🤣🤣
Mystic is at the Naval Undersea Warfare Museum in Keyport, Washington. It's a really great place of you're ever in the area.
Whenever Scott Manley is on location, it's going to be a banger of a video 💯
I hope the guys who repaired the apollo guidance unit, see this and get inspired to investigate it!
Curious Marc! I was thinking the same…
@@fensoxx Exactly with master Ken and the younger software guy i forgot his name
It's always amazing to me that you don't get demonetized with all this talk of mating and jets of liquid and thrust
this is a hardcore channel baby; if you can't stand the heat, go on a chef's course ... 😂
"what's long, hard, and full of seamen?"...I guess the joke doesn't work quite as well written
@@Emu0181 that's awful, it sounds like the kind of joke that's been around for ages, but I don't remember hearing it before. Odd, because I'm sure that there's some kind of hidden conspiracy against me, where all the really good, clever jokes are filtered out, and I only get to hear the really crap ones. 😨
@@richardconway6425 sadly that's just how reality works. I have yet to hear a knock-knock joke that is legitimately funny (in a non-ironic way)
Should be "Scott Manley. Dive safe"
Scott calling the hydrodynamic external hull a fairing is the mark of a true KSP gamer😂
I never would have thought Lockheed would have built a submarine, Somehow always figured even the DSRVs were made by Electric Boat. Mystic Class however is named for a town in Connecticut.
If I were to want to build a submersible the company I might pick would be Westinghouse for their experience in building nuclear power plant reactor vessels that must hold high pressure.
@@user-wz1qo1cn3ias we've just seen demonstrated by Oceangate, there is a world of difference in engineering between compressive and expansive forces. Not saying Westinghouse's engineers couldn't design and manufacture a suitable pressure vessel, but a pwr vessel is designed to keep pressure in.
Lockheed had experience in unconventional underwater projects, including their role in building the claw (named _Clementine_ ) that was used in Project Azorian to salvage a Soviet sub.
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NR-1
They don't call them the Skunk Works for nothing! 🦨
My dad piloted the C-141 before it was retired and replaced by the C-17. It was the jet work horse of the USAF strategic airlift command during the 80s-90s
Best follow up to a drunken rant ever … you’re really good at explorative documentation… well done😊
It's cool that it could fit in a C-5 for transport.
The C-5 could be retrofitted for a number of missions; it was purpose-built to airlift the M1-A1 Abrams tank. It could also transport smaller vehicles, support equipment, cargo, 350 regular troops, or 200 paratroopers. My father was part of the 350th Maintenance Division, US Air Force.
Do you think the C-5 could grab all the gear previously hauled around by the three Starlifters?
Mystic shown famously in Hunt for Red October operating more like a sci-fi spaceship than a submersible.
A model of the DSRV-1 Mystic was used in the movie "The Hunt for Red October" (1990).
"Hey I think someone just shot a torpedo at us."
Bill Steiner, The Hunt for Red October (1990).
"No shit, Buckwheat!"
Seems like yesterday......
How to make me feel old.....
Thanks Scott.
Some years ago, our state government in (South) Australia embarked on a submarine construction industry.
At the time there was considerable uproar from different sectors, etc, about the costs involved.
The State Premier at the time said that (paraphrasing a bit here) "the only thing more difficult to build than a submarine is a space station, and that these are the types of skills required in our economy to bring us into a tech based future".
Fast forward all of these years later, South Australia is now the home of the Australian Space Agency.
Now that's how you build a deep sea mini-sub that is designed to actually keep the occupants alive
You missed a trick at the end...
"I'm Scott Manley, sink safe" 😁
Got my money's worth with this video. Scott went in to some fascinating details about the hatch and all.
Very neat connection to the Apollo computers. By now, those should be declassified. I hope someone puts together a simulator like they did for the Apollo landing and then records a video of undocking from mothership and moving in for a rescue.
There was nothing that was ever classified about the DSRV's. Very occasionally, they would conduct sensitive operations but that was extremely rare but the vehicle in and of itself was never classified at any level. U.S. Navy Deep Enlisted Submersible Pilot #36.
There is a submersible called Aluminaut, retired and displayed on land but kept in workable order if ever needed. Built in the 60s, aluminium hull including cylindrical sections, 7 people going down to 5000 meters.
Science Museum of Virginia. Hope you visit and make a video someday.
That was super enjoyable, thanks for that, Scott! I'm going to be in Morro Bay in September and I think I'm going to have to drop by and see the DSRV for myself. :)
That's friggin awesome man. Thanks for picking it up.
Thanks for this one Scott. Great tour of a vehicle I had never heard of.
If you really want to know more about DSRV's a guy you might want to find is LCDR Billy or LCDR Popovich they were the CO's of the DSV Turtle and DSV Sea Cliff back in the late 1980's. They will remember who was attached to the DSRV's. CDR Billy was the guy playing the pilot of the DSRV in The Hunt for the Red October (movie).
Scott is here in Morro?? Welcome buddy!
I think it's pretty amazing he was able to pull that much info out of his brain while just hanging out. Even with all the work in post, it was a lot of knowledge. Really cool video Scott! Thank you 👍
You're a national treasure, Mate.
Cheers!
Back in 1984, while serving aboard USS Pigeon ASR-21, we had an opportunity to operate with the Avalon. A number of us got to get a ride in the DSRV. An interesting note is that Draper Labs also built the computer which ran the 3D sonar system on the Pigeon. It used the same core as the Apollo command module computer, also used on the DSRVs. Alas, those two rescue surface ships (Pigeon and Ortolan) were far too slow to get to a scene in a timely manner. They did, however, have two completely separate decompression chamber systems, one in each hull, with through deck air locks.
Nice. Keep up the submersible theme. The similarities and contrasts to spaceflight are fascinating.
It would be nice if a signoff would be: "This is Scott Manley. Dive safe!"
Who knew submarines could be so interesting. Cheers scott.
I’m very familiar with DSRV Avalon. When I went to Cal Poly we’d drive by the sub every time we went to the beach next to Morro Rock!
Thanks ! I worked on this type of DSRV, "Matting" on SSN- 638 & 688, attack subs, for supporting of THEM, 480 volt 60 cycle & 115 V. 400 cycle power, 1977-1980. AS-36, sub tender.
Manley overboard from deep space into deep sea!
Always wondered about the docking collar. Thanks for this interesting tidbit of technology.
TWO!! Scott Manley's on different temporal planes... blessed.
Thankfully never had to be used, love seeing stuff like this though! Always look up to you and your content :)
That we know about, at any rate.
@@W1ldTangent : The big (you know, the conventionally military ones) subs of most countries are publicly known (partially for convenience in resupply, partly because their existence would leak anyways), so we would know if anyone other than the North Koreans lost a sub.
Of course, there _have_ been subs lost since these were launched, just no big US ones...
@@absalomdraconis
... If the US or another navy wanted to have a sub specifically to do things it wasn't supposed to, or didn't want others to know about, would they publicize its existence in the first place?
Did the Russian Federation really sabotage their own pipeline?...
It was making them money, why would they do that?
The coolest thing in the museum, is outside the museum! 😂
13:40 Aww you totally missed the opportunity to save "dive safe."
Even if there wasn't a "space" connection, it's still cool and thanks for showing us.
Oh man hearing "back to old me" makes me so nostalgic for Interstellar Quest.
Man, I would love to see more in-person descriptions like these, but about space craft. Stock photos are cool, but there is something to be said about having access to an artifact to talk about it. If anyone's earned that privilege, it's Scott.
They just gave the Avalon a paint job. Looks good. Cool to see one of my favorite youtubers in my neighborhood!
It must be awesome having an instant back stage past to see things up close ❤
Reminds me of the movie Grey Lady Down, great movie and one of my favourite sub movies. It was smaller than I thought it’d be.
Blind Man's Bluff, great book on submarine espionage, DSRV was a excellent cover story.
Very interesting Scott, Thanks for sharing and BIG Thumbs up
Love Morro Bay. Hope you had a great time down there!
Thank you very much Scott! Super interesting! Totally happy that you share something like this with us. There's always so much to learn from you!
And I'm probably not the only space nerd who is also interested in submarines, because the parallels between sealed habitats in space travel and in submarine technology are obviously present.
Great video and your explanations! As allways!
Fly safe! All the best for you and your family! Best regards from Berlin (Germany) 😊
Great guide! Thanks Scott for this interesting and informative tour!
Excellent that you could see and share this! Spent some time recently reading about other sub disasters (of course due to recent events) and ran across these DSRVs and their history is indeed interesting! Appreciate the video immensely.
the submarine cradle would be a devious lick
Great little exhibit and also right across the street from my favorite restaurant in Morro Bay, The Great American Fish Company. Great excuse to fly to SLO and head over for a visit.
Great short video Scott. Nice job.
Thanks Scott
Great find!
may not have been used for rescue but WAS used in my fav movie The Hunt For Red October!
Fascinating stuff indeed! Thanks, Scott! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Totally missed the opportunity to say "Dive safe!" 😂
Well done, Scott!
Was expecting: “I’m Scott Manley, DIVE safe”
Thank you Scott!
I was hoping for a "Float safe!" at the end. My hopes sank.
Time to decompress
Thanks, Scott!
that's a funny looking space ship, but rendezvous is cool
Scott, well explained and thanks for sharing! 🙂
Wow, submarines really are the spaceships of the ocean
Interesting! I've been by Morro Bay a few times and never checked out the museum but it always caught my eye
Nice thanks for sharing ✌️
@scottmanley decent video sir. Thank for bringing back some memories.
Interesting video! Thanks for making this one.
I finally remembered where I saw footage of them loading a DSRV onto a C-141!
The movie "Gray Lady Down."
If there's anything left of the electronics I'd be surprised. When you duck under the nose at 9:25, it looks like all the cable penetrations had been cut and capped.
Very interesting look at some very important technology
Nice, Scott, that was interesting! Thanks!