I will never forget how horribly me and my family were treated for going against the grain and “not following the prophet.” They weaponized that phrase and I will never forget. I’ve learned to rely on my Savior, Jesus Christ more than ever and I won’t be going back to the culture of blind obedience to men. They were wrong and should be held accountable for the injuries and deaths and for dividing the church members.
@@judimadsen-j3e Yes it was absolutely terrible, but I am so thankful for it as well. God uses these to wake up people and some need more jolt than others.
Same. I was the only one in my ward who didn't wear a mask and I was not the only "conservative" who disagreed by a lot. My family used the "I'm following the prophet" on me as well. A member from a far away ward came to ours because they kicked him out for not wearing a mask. My ward must have kicked him out too because he didn't come back and I was told by the bishop in the middle of sacrament meeting, he literally walked down, and told me to wear a mask after the bishopric issued a statement to the ward that they wouldn't enforce it. The excuse was that "we'd get shut down".
I will never forget how me and my family REFUSED to wear a mask at church and how we were treated badly for not "being obedient" to the totally uninspired blind-faith following of alcoholic, womanizing politicians that Mormon leaders worship just one step above God.
As a physician and early signer of the Great Barrington Declaration, I told my wife that the “safe and effective” comment would prove to be one the most, if not the most, false statements ever made by a President of the Church. They need to apologize.
You are going to think you your mind, that one of the most corrupt set of individuals will apologize to the sheep they fleece? Wake up. Stop reading conference talks, read the scriptures painting the scene playing out in front of you.
Nelson is a doctor and a softie and slightly liberal, he wanted so badly to be a prophet when it came to COVID, so much so that he overstepped. It’s extremely easy to overstep when you are desperate to profess the words of God. I completely get it, and I’m not upset.
That and the "Just roll up your sleeve and be a good global citizen" was a turning point for me. I knew from early 2020 that this was a political, globalist agenda and I was listening to the doctors who were trying to come out publicly and warn everyone. I knew that Congress was being treated with Ivermectin and HCQ. I knew they were exempt from the jab. I knew the U.S. was sending millions of doses of HCQ to Brazil while banning its use here. There were just so many doctors putting their careers on the line to save lives, fighting the propaganda and narrative, and for church leaders to come out with this, was outrageous. I remember writing at the time that I was not going to be "Jim Jones'd" by anyone. I remember Hawaii standing guard at churches and demanding members show their "vaccine" and wear the Marxist Mask of Submission, the gang wear of the Marxist Left, a term I coined right from the start. I remember choir members couldn't participate unless they were jabbed. And the poor missionaries. I remember watching the interview of Cherie Romney, by Robyn Openshaw, on Robyn's "Green Smoothie Girl" web page, wherein she described how her son and her husband had horrific reactions that nearly took their lives, and also caused Cherie to deliver her fourth child, early, with all sorts of complications. I remember those members who supported the jabs, shouting how the President of the Church was a "doctor" and thus knew what he was talking about, to which I countered that he had been out of medicine for 40-50 years, and explained about CURRENT cardiologists, epidemiologists, cancer doctors, researchers, etc., who were actually on the front lines, saving lives with early treatments, and warning about the jabs. I posted Kari Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, who said that test was never meant to be used as a Covid detector, that they were spinning it so fast it would pick anything and everything. You can find that interview on RUclips. And then the "miracle we've all been waiting for" statement was the last straw. Then there were the donations to GAVI, and cozying up to the globalists. Alarm bells were going off everywhere. I tried to reason that they were trying to protect the church and missionaries abroad, but at what cost to those who died or had life threatening/altering adverse effects. I just could not square the facts to the narrative. And then began the great war amongst the members that continues to this day. Confusion as to what they "really said", or "really meant", with each side declaring they were right and the other side was evil. They will never apologize. To watch Bishops and members behaving like jack boot thugs was eye opening, to say the least. I don't know how they recover from this, but they will never apologize.
the answer to your query is in the book of mormon. Nelson and his henchmen want COMPLETE power over the thoughts, actions, and free will of their 17 million membership. NOthing new here. Satan is after the same thing and always has been.
This has needed to be said for quite some time. Thank you for the reminder to remember. Not only were people led astray, but many were led to their deaths. No amnesty.
The very sad truth. I had family tell me if they died they it didn’t matter because they followed what the prophet said and they’ll be blessed for that on the other side. This was in reply to me stating I choose to go to God in prayer for what is specifically best for me.
Many of us were led to believe that Covid was "no big deal", now three of my relatives are six feet under, and their deaths were not peaceful by any means, coughing up blood for weeks in the IC unit.
I won’t ever forget. The level of certainty some people had and their willingness to turn on friends, family and neighbors was something I now can’t unsee. But I’m grateful that I now know the score, as sad as that is.
DO NOT BE A VICTIM. ALWAYS VET YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE MORMON CHURCH. HAVE NO BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH ANY OF THEM UNTIL YOU HAVE EXPENDED THE APPROPRIATE TIME AND ENERGY TO THOROUGHLY TEST AND VET THEM!!
I used to think a former heart surgeon, a former supreme court judge, an academic scientist was an advantage to being made religious leaders because they could see beyond what the world accepts. Covid showed me how wrong I was to think that.
these three are the blind leading the blind. But for those few who still know how to use their brains, these three are the blind attempting to mis-lead the less blind. THese three have proven themselves to be just as confused , ignorant, misled , and uninformed regarding the future , as the rest of the world.
no amnesty. People who developed a love for the truth knew not to take the jab. I told my father that Nelson did more to destroy the church than all the anti-LDS propaganda combined, when Nelson demonstrated it was ok to take the jab.
I know 2 people who found the truth of this man-made church initiated by Nelson’s fear-mongering. One was in finance and the other a literal statistician. Nelson and co. were just so obviously and critically wrong.
well said....he lies a lot....even his last conference talk he lied about surviving a gun being held to his head...his story gets bigger and more dangerous everytime he tells it and he was never in danger and no guns were involved
It was a sifting time. people like me who wouldn't wear it started to move to the back of the cultural hall. Then the Bishop said "people who struggle to wear the mask and get the vaccination are like those who struggle with pornography" and I can't remember what other serious sin. The one family who were like me and who were on the very back row, stood up and left. They changed wards. during this time I thought, If there was ever a Moroni 10 moment this was it! Funny thing, The Lord showed me more than this was not good for me, he showed me the doctrine of Christ was not being taught. And since then I've been studying and praying harder than I have my whole life. And It's changed my life for sure.
I’ve not recovered the loss of trust and, more troubling respect, for our general authorities. I expected more from them. I’ve been looking for years for that voice of warning crying in the wilderness and I finally heard it. Heard lots of them, some from unexpected places. But none of them were from the leaders of my church. It’s not so much that they were on the wrong side, but there is no sign of contrition and no evidence that they know what a secret combination is, let alone identify one. They are still paying out money to vaccinate people, still making bad hires, and still colluding with various global secret combinations. I’m still active, still a card carrying member with a strong testimony of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ as delivered to and received by The Prophet Joseph Smith. But I feel a significant sense of loss in the community that is no more.
the mormon "prophets" are such in name only. Mere title holders. Powerless Fakers and takers of the lowest order. "You can buy anything in this world for money" ...... including a temple recommendation ticket. THERE IS NO COMMUNITY IN THE MORMON CHURCH. IT'S DEAD.
My family never got vaccinated. Im so thankful we prayed and received revelation that it wasn't for our family. We never wore a mask at church, including when our boys passed the sacrament when all the other boys and congregation were masked up 😂. I was told in church things like that I wasn't following the Prophet, that wearing a mask is like looking at Moses Brass Serpent, and that getting vaxed or masked up was comparable to a Abrahamic sacrifice. Im so glad we didn't give that poison to our kids. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night worrying about my teenagers getting myocarditis, cancer, blood clots, strokes, etc.
that brass serpent speech from Rasband was a revolting , disgusting LIE!! I knew that instantly when I first heard that speech. Rasband, with "M.D." after hisname, is a quack, who is qualified for nothing more than dispensing BigGulp coffee orders at the local 7-Eleven convenience store.
Thank you for your bravery and following YOUR OWN REVELATION from God to YOU personally. If only the Saints had not become "sheeple" and followed the exact same process, that you did, I highly doubt that many of the Saints would have been so easily fooled. I didn't get the experimental jab either. It truly is apalling that the Brethren have never acknowledged the divide in the Kingdom of God. Perhaps this will end up like Blacks & the Priesthood where it took till 2016 for the Church of Christ to apologize for what was a clearly racist Policy.
Sounds like you had some Unholy servants in your stake or Ward. Never saw this. We did mask up, after we didn't go to church for a year. But I live in blue blue Washington.
Thank you Connor! This presentation was so well done. I have been preaching and teaching this from the beginning. You expressed, what many of us have experienced, but did it way better than I have. I loved how you taught that freedom of speech should be more of a focus than religious freedom or liberty. What a great insight. Thank you again. I always enjoy your musings.
So sorry. You are not the only one I've heard this from. So many have been sacrificed by the hands of big pharma and their partners (in crime). My husband (bishop at the time) really started a deep dive study into what it means to be a prophet. After much study of the scriptures and church materials he came to a point of not believing some of the church's doctrine. He removed his membership in January of 2023 after the bishop gave a veiled threat of church discipline if he discussed his concerns with the broader church community. He was tired of being muzzled, having everyone think he was all in. We still attend every week. We want to fellowship with our church community, but some weeks we wonder if it's right to continue.
That was the moment in my life when I realized the church is not an ally of truth and freedom, and likely had fallen into a form of apostasy. Probably when Brigham and his lackeys seized control and pushed the polygamy lie. Part of me died when the church betrayed us.
Should we give amnesty to those whose lies and/or mistakes cost the lives and livelihoods of millions, when they have made no apology, shown no remorse, and demonstrated that they learned nothing, so they can simply repeat all the same lies and/or mistakes when the next "emergency" happens? Let me think... 🤔 *No.*
This will never be a dead topic. I've made it my mission to make people remember what they did to kids, that they were at least okay with if not out right enforcing sacrificing kids' futures for the elderly. And it didn't even work! I'm not even sure what the role of forgiveness is in this context. But for sure, especially where there is no acknowledgement of wrongdoing, there will be no forgetting. I gave a talk in sacrament meeting last summer and I let people have it over the way they prioritized accommodating MASKS over people. Mistakes? I want sackcloth and ashes and then we can talk about mistakes.
I would read Joseph Smith's sermon to the relief society in 1842. He talks about not blindly following the prophet AND on forgiving without broadcasting the wickedness amongst us in order to preserve the good part of the church which is bringing people back to the Lord. Still, they need to apologize.
My old bishop who worked at BYU is now chronically ill and had to retire early and enjoys 4 to 6 hours of functionality in the late morning. He strongly advocated for the vaccine and all the boosters. I didn’t take his counsel too seriously as he also wore a rainbow Ruth Bader Ginsberg shirt and required members to use preferred pronouns at church.
Gross. That's another thing.... Thankful this happened so I wouldn't entrust my kids on missions and to a University that has complete idiots as the mentors.
The years of Covid were very difficult for me spiritually. As a lifelong member of the church I felt that I had been taught and prepared to face those challenges. It should have been a time of strength and courage. However it seemed to me we ran and hid with everyone else. I had determined that for myself the vaccine didn’t make sense. I had already had Covid and it was little more than a sniffle. Yet I was forced to take the vaccine by my employer. Having church leaders come out and help shame me into compliance was very hurtful. I knew masks were a total joke. Yet here we were for weeks after returning to meetings shaming members into compliance. I credit my continued commitment to the gospel of Jesus Christ on the fact that Christ is the foundation. I am with you. Forgiveness is essential for all parties. However I hope our leaders will understand because of my experience during those years, I will always remember and will measure their advice very carefully.
BETTER YET ........seek your advice from TRUE sources, and not from liars, obfusators, prevaricators, ecclesiastical TYRANTS, and tithing-hoarding bureaucrats !!!!
I was not able to see the ultrasound of my first child because of the lockdowns. Think about that. I had to participate in creating my child and I couldn't be present with my wife and the nurse, because it was "unsafe". The pinnacle achievement of my life besides finding my eternal companion, ruined in a way by forever having the memory of being forced to see my first child for the first time through a Zoom call... Before all this I was unworthy to enter the Temple. Finding my wife changed me and forced me to become worthy with the help of our savior. I thought I'd never ever have children of my own because of my bad life choices before then. So it was extra important for me to see my child. I was also the only one in my ward to not wear a mask until the bishop walked down in the middle of sacrament meeting to tell me to put it on after they said they wouldn't enforce it. Along with many others in my ward complained but weren't courageous enough to do it themselves. NO AMNISTY, NEVER FORGET!!!
I remember only 1 time being asked to fast for the end of the COVID pandemic. I think God was teaching us the lesson to not rely upon man for answers. As a Church, we absolutely relied upon man to end the pandemic.
Same here. I also remember many in my ward who thought the vaccine was a answer to that prayer when Nelson said "We have prayed for this literal godsend. Receiving the vaccine is part of our personal efforts to be good global citizens."
I got in a lot of trouble in my government job for contending against masks and vaccines when we were “encouraged” to get it. I was accused of “politicizing” an issue when I noted the health risks.
Amen! Amen! And AMEN!!! I see some who did listen and got the jab and now have health challenges and blame the brethren. I have seen and are among them who didn’t get the jab who were told often that we weren’t following the prophet. I did the research into the ingredients and I was a big no for me. If the church humbled themselves and apologized many hearts could heal!
ain't gonna hhappen !!!! ever!!! if they did, they would prove themselves to be phony "prophets" , unable, and unwilling to speak with GOd face to face on behalf of the membership or the rest of the world, for truly life and death decisions, let alone spiritual matters..
I think we need to talk more about this than we are, we should not just forget now that it's over... then repeat it again... that was the worst time of my life, it felt like nazi Germany -not zion. Everyone hated each other... it was the opposite of a charitable society.
I don't know if I'll ever get over it. Every time I hear a new case of myocarditis or the like in young people That picture of RMN with a black mask and a needle in his arm come to mind and the words "safe and effective" from that letter ring in my ears like a siren. .💔 All is not well in Zion. 😭
When I felt betrayed by my church, I took it to prayer. I was given an answer that I was on the right side of God, that he wants us to make our own decisions and does not want that right taken from us. And that nothing else mattered. Nothing the leaders, family or friends said mattered and to get over it and move on. If I knew where I stood in Gods eyes, that was all I needed. And he would take care of the rest. He is the all mighty and someday those who betrayed us will meet their maker and justice will be served. Ive got on with my life and am happy. I never took the jab and don’t blame others who were deceived. We all have been taught our whole lives, if we have a question, to take it to the Lord! Thats what I did. Did the Brothern do the same? I don’t know and probably will never know in this life. What I learned the night I knelt in prayer, will never be forgotten. Do we all receive the same answers? I don’t know? Luckily I wasn’t coerced to take it, to keep a job or have a medical procedure done. I feel very fortunate for my health. But unfortunately some family had to get the shot to keep their jobs. Others fell victim to the propaganda. It is sad, but they are adults and could decide for themselves. I love my Lord and Savior and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is the name of our church. The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Not the Gospel of which ever prophets name is at the head of it at the moment. Jesus is our true source and will never fail us. To Him, we must always turn.
Someone should have to answer for people losing their jobs and businesses. I can't even imagine what it would be like to lose your livelihood, or your health, because of a lie.
Connor, I am not about to give any of the jerks that perpetrated the hoax on the public a pass. THEY need to apologize and make any reparations as they are able, LDS and otherwise. That was a very dark time for me. My testimony and trust in the church and the brethren were seriously damaged, after a life of commitment to churchactivity. My faith in and testimony of Jesus Christ kept me going. I know of a young mother who, while in process of a divorce, was told by her LDS attorney that just because she had forgiven her husband, didn't mean he shouldn't get punished for what he did. Made things come into perspective. NO AMNESTY! NO PASS!
I dont ever remember the church telling members that they should pay their rent to their landlords despite the "moratorium". It was an abuse of private property and we chose to go along (hive mind) instead of draw clear lines and use caution. We have "Utah Syndrome" where we want to be liked more than peculiar (run counter to the world).
Thank you Connor Our look around corner leaders were only checking to see if anyone was watching them make deals with government officials and the UN. Didn’t Ezra T Benson warn us about these secret combinations?
I remember sitting in shock in Sacrament meeting on July 4th, 2021, when literally nobody got up to bare a testimony on our Constitutional freedoms. I got up to the pulpit and let them have it. I talked about Natural Law and chastised anyone coercing others to obey the measures. My stake president sat on the stand that day and I know he resents me for it to this day. I haven't had a stake calling since then.
The gospel teaches us two truths: those who have sinned or out of weakness did wrong need to confess, ask forgiveness and repent and we need to forgive (not forget) regardless of their contrition. Neither Church leaders nor rank and file members are excused from these eternal principles.
I’ve said since 2020 that the hardest part of the Covid “panic” will be forgiving those who were deceived. As for those doing the deceiving, we have to trust that God will be their judge. If we harbor resentment, it only hurts ourselves. I know from experience.
It helps when they recognize and admit to wrong doing. we are not even to step one, after all this time and evidence. I believe they will never own up to it. some are ignorant and some were purposely deceitful. God knows.
Simply write off the three Big Kahunas at the top and their lower minions, and take a whole box of salt with you, when listening to their babblings. THese bobble heads will lead you astray if you allow it. Choose to ACT rather than be ACTED UPON !!!
@ TBH my post is more a statement of a goal than an achievement. If I’m sincere about following Christ, I know that’s where he’s pointing, and of course it’s the one place I don’t want to go.
My 21 year old daughter almost died from the clot shot. She had 2 large embolisms in her lungs. She is now on blood thinners, without insurance, it costs $500/ mo.
I'm so grieved every time I see one of these stories. When will they stop?!?! Medical doctors keep pushing out the timeline for jab participants to no longer be worried about side effects.
My daughter's best friend, age 23 died by blood clots after her two dosages. She was an only child and is very missed. I heard so many say, "He's a doctor, He's a prophet, He had to say those things to keep the church running". I remember the shaming commercials run between conferences where unvaxxed were selfishly taking the space in hospitals leaving transplant people in a pickle. I remember standing in the horse medicine aisle at IFA desperately wondering which one would save my mom because our government and media shut down the option of Ivermectin and other early interventions. It was traumatic. And group trauma is a tactic to lower the vibration of people to get them weak and compliant. Arresting a lone surfer? really? Everyone was insane. Unfortunately it is the middle man, the "Karen's", who are the most dangerous who enforce agenda of the Gadiantons on the rest of us.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis
I would like to see a class action lawsuit. All things stank. Anyone believing otherwise is now known to be delusional from the beginning. Great shame.
All parties were indemnified for their actions, you would sooner be found in a ditch than be able to get a case to be heard in a court anywhere. Unless this new president who says he wants to clean up government could actually address it. But I would not hold my breath.
Omgosh. Thank you so much. The question is, why aren't church leaders saying this? I did from the beginning and was treated like an apostate. What I've learned and known since a small child is Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and He's whose guidance we can seek directly. How can any leader of any corporation or congregation ever be relied on to be the mouthpiece of God when they've used coercion and lies that have cost so much death and harm. My testimony of Jesus Christ is stronger than ever. But I believe we have been betrayed by those seeking the acclaim of mankind over the guidance and will of God who do so behind a false Mantle. Prophets of old called kings and Queens to accountability and lost their lives doing it. This is truly a confusion of good and evil for those willing to rely on the arm of flesh and in the name of the Lord. They will and are being held accountable by real leaders such as you and those of us who recognized this was not according to the teachings of Jesus Christ. The wheat and tares are being separated within our eyesight . I feel rage at the utter betrayal of leaders that have led so many to death and heartbreak. Some still prefer blinders. I've chosen to try harder to see more clearly for the AC is surely among us and we see how easily he can lead so many astray. I pray for the enlightenment of all those who care about following our Savior that they won't be deceived to eternal damnation which is a separation from our God.
I wonder how many people actually feel smart or wise & go to sleep at night knowing they were epically & severly DUPED &/or MISLED, not by only doctors but even church leaders, to injury or death?? 🤔 🤦♂️
Any time this is brought up now you just get gaslighting, "they never told us to do it. It was always voluntary." The blatant and absurd cover up of this is almost worse than the crime by members. I dont hate anyone but I sincerely hope these people have to a price for this one day
Two weeks ago we had both the stake president and an area authority visiting my ward. My stake president gets up and says, “it is my PRAYER that you will REVERE the prophet this year.” Then THANKFULLY, the area authority gets up and says, “come unto Christ and offer your whole souls unto Him.” I wanted to throw up at the blatant misuse of influence by the stake President. But then again, always been like that. We have GOT to get away from idol worshipping the prophet and start REVERING Christ and HIS words!
Lehi followed the man in white for hours... hours, till FINALLY he cried directly to God for mercy. Then immediately was opened up the spacious field and tree of life.
My wife nearly divorced me simply because I wouldn't wear a mask. She even dragged me into the bishop so he could chastise me for not following the prophet.
In regards to the facemask-I didn't and won't wear one. But Harmon's (and some other stores) went even further than the arrows and dots on the floor, but actually stopped me and other people from shopping in their stores if we didn't wear a mask. I took that to mean they didn't need my business and I have never been back since. I actively promote against them at every chance.
I hope your video goes viral and rocks the church whom loves the world economic forum and the United Nations. Aren’t they supposed to be against spiritual wickedness in high places!
My considered opinion is this - the hierarchy of the church is generally much older than the general population, and COVID was primarily a disease of the elderly. I think the elderly church leaders were consumed by their personal individual fears of the virus (and it was a threat for them), but they should understand that they sacrificed the young and healthy in service of their fears. I would love to have the prophet apologize for not counseling different strategies for COVID to the people who had different risk profiles. "Never visit grandma if you have the sniffles" might have been reasonable, rather than, "take this experimental drug that might hurt your fertility when you want to someday have a family".
Fear is not of God. If our leaders are afraid for their own lives, then they are not leaders! They definitely feared man instead of God. Most elderly died from neglect, and lack of care (and bad protocols) if they became sick. Covid was not an accident but a well planned mechanism to decrease the population and enforce fear and control. The facts prove the leaders are complicit. Cognitive dissonance and normality bias keeps us from believing it.
Watching our Christian & religious brothers & sisters fighting for their freedom to stay open/worship while the lds church shut everything down & went silent for months. That was a big wake up call for me. I didn’t even feel like I was a part of a church the spring / summer of 2020.
There was a FDA presentation on Oct 22, 2020 (before the vaccine rollout!) and they showed one slide that was visible for only 1/5 of a second that listed a number of adverse events, including myocarditis and death. That presentation is STILL on youtube.
When LDS people wake up to their leaders not being prophets seers or revelators, they’ll learn to truly turn to God. Until then, they put them before Christ and that is an abomination.
The message I got after prayer was that I could get vaccinated to keep my job and it wouldn’t hurt me. I went with that because I wasn’t ready to put my families livelihood on the line trying to find a good job at that time. I wish that or similar would have been the message for the church rather than what they ended up putting out. Pretty embarrassing.
If you took boosters or wore masks, Im sorry, but you forfeit your right to lecture me on spiritual advice since you lacked so much discernment to get epically fooled by a pysop experiment.
No. What has to happen for people to finally be held responsible for their actions? Obviously causing harm wasn’t enough. Hurting children wasn’t enough. Hurting the unborn wasn’t enough. Nothing is enough. As long as there is no line that brings consequences there are no consequences, and the harm will continue.
I've been inactive for many years. Quite frankly, I stopped believing many of the Church's truth claims when I was a teenager. Recently, I relocated to my hometown and reconnected with friends who are active members. I've been attending Sunday services regularly for several months now. I love the people in my ward and genuinely want to believe, but issues like this, along with several others, make me question everything about the Church. How could they not foresee the internet and the challenges it would bring? How could they get something as important as COVID so wrong? Are they truly prophets, seers, and revelators? Why do they consistently seem to get things wrong? I feel like the Church needs something akin to the House of Representatives to counterbalance the General Authorities, like the Senate. I've been watching your channel and appreciate your honesty and candor.
Look into the Council of 50. It was originally supposed to be the highest authority in the church, not the apostles (who were supposed to be lifelong missionaries, not old and decrepit administrators) or any kind of "first presidency".
@@zissler1 oh no he wont....he will change a lot but just to focus his own power spot...oaks was horrible in 2020 and told people to give up their freedom and belittled people for daring to question it being safe..... discusting
Been a very hard 5 years. I got hit with an economic sledgehammer and been very difficult. I watched as people all around me cashed their checks, socialized privately while engaging in covid theatre publicly and played along while I never took "stimulus' ( a debt passed on to others) and lost 1.7M dollars in business and loads more in opportunity costs. Today I watch these same people who played along, cashed the checks, complain about the cost of things and I always ask how much they took in stimulus or if they wore their masks and "followed the rules". Of course they now all say they didnt. Interesting..because I was maybe only 5% of people I saw who wasnt playing the game. Who sold us out the most? Boomers. They were too busy watching their wealth explode instead of taking a leadership role and using their wisdom as sentinels over society to warn us of this government over reach and difficult economic times that would come. I dont think any event in my life has made me more disappointed in people in general....
Poor little SF it’s always the Boomers fault. Get out of bed and go to work and maybe you can have a better life and quit blaming your failures on someone else.
as a GenXer, I agree. the older generation really screwed the younger people over. When the youth were gathering in no mask parties "illegally" during covid. I cheered them on. and the older generations were saying "how irresponsible and dangerous" The younger generation has a lot more sense, and good reason to stop listening to the older people. i am disappointed in half of GenX and almost all of Boomers.
I am a “boomer” and I feel really bad that you think all this is my fault. I have never taken any vaccine, since I was old enough to do so by myself (18) and I had 11 children that did not have any vaccines until they chose for them selves. I absolutely do not care for our “sickcare” system. It is so wrong! Read your scriptures, people!
I know multiple families that left "the church" because of the stance on the jab and masks.....i don't blame this for being an eye openening dilemma but it makes me sad that the church officially saying that abortion isn't murder or the church sponsoring gay pride events such as the "love loud festival" was not a bigger reason to leave
For the dead horses...I was fired from my job for my stance. I had worked as a custodian to become the head of a school district...secret leaders who lead the world into this dark period. I found a full time job with a new school, I found that I needed to find president Benson's truth taught dispight the sourcry that we may have out lived. God has blessed me by obeying my council. Thanks Again for this video.
I sustain President Nelson as a prophet, seer, and revelatory, and the only man with the Keys of the Priesthood on the earth today. I simultaneously want to see him in prison for the rest of his life for what he did.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” C. S. Lewis
No the law needs to pushed on these individuals. there should be no exceptions 501(c)(3) any organization that is viewed as an NGO should face full accountability and receive full and maximum punishment of law if found guilty. This includes the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints and most churches and charities The amount of emotional and psychological damage of shutting down church caused me definitely what makes me think. I’m going to go after the churches insurance. Not the church itself. There’s a reason why you have insurance.
At this point I’m so glad they shut down church so I had the chance to actually experience a Sunday spent worshipping God not worried about making it to all of my meetings 🫠 and it gave me insight as to what is really important to the church and it’s not fearing God and upholding principles of truth. It was bowing to the arm of flesh at a time so many of our rights were violated.
It should now be obvious to people that the leadership of the church are not true prophets, and that the church is in apostasy... There's no other explanation.
Coercion by gov. Whitehouse website had a video of 8 gov telling Biden how their states were encouraging vaccine. Cox himself said “we know people do not trust the government so we have reached out to religious leaders”. Not word for word but I watched it twice. It was apparent they got help from religious leaders of all kinds. It was a zoom call between Biden and those 8 governors, one being Gov Cox.
Alma 13, ....not all prophets are created equal no more than home teachers are all the same. Truly, President Nelsons exhortation should have said Hear Him Hear Him, don't always listen to us but that is probably our test isn't it? Many failed big time. Elder Chandler Webb from Sandy got his shots before going to the MTC but he went home and died that night instead. Must of been his time right?
Brings new meaning to the words in the hymn, " And should we die, before our journey's through, HAPPY DAY. All is well," Doesn't it.?! All is not well, is it?. :(
At the time I write this comment, there are 278 comments. That is a very small group of people. A relatively small fraction of the population, and I suspect smaller fraction of members of the church, refused the jab and masking. A much larger percentage of the population received the jab, including members of the church. The church has already offended a small minority of its members. If it were to apologize, it would alienate a large percentage of its members. Why would the church do that? It won’t. Very little good will come from an apology, and that is why, even though Conner‘s comments are spot on, as are all the comments to this podcast, you will never hear an apology. BUT, gospel of Jesus Christ is still true, this is still his church, and we are still led by a prophet of God who can lead us aright in spiritual matters. each of us has the satisfaction of knowing that we were guided by the Holy Ghost to discern truth. That is very satisfying, indeed. So, get up, move on and forget about vindication or an apology. It’s not coming.
Yes, mistakes, albeit some large mistakes, were made. I'm very sad for those who lost lives, health and businesses over this. Also I'm sad for those who left the church. It was a learning experience for all. Question everything and take it to the Lord.
I personally think this would be an awesome opportunity to teach the church members how repentance is done from the top. However, what I understand of how repentance is actually done is to pretend it never happened. Well, at least publucly pretend or say that it was the best I could do. I sometimes wish I believed members believe and live their religion, not they get a feeling of being more important or righteous for living their religion.
I thought I had awakened a lot in 2017-19 but I think it was just the tiniest little bit to prepare me for 2020. How everyone was not seeing the myriad of lies around every corner that year is beyond me. I really think God had prepared me. I have not been asked for forgiveness by anyone. I was treated horribly for being a normal/natural human.
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I will never forget how horribly me and my family were treated for going against the grain and “not following the prophet.” They weaponized that phrase and I will never forget. I’ve learned to rely on my Savior, Jesus Christ more than ever and I won’t be going back to the culture of blind obedience to men. They were wrong and should be held accountable for the injuries and deaths and for dividing the church members.
Amen! 👏
@@judimadsen-j3e Yes it was absolutely terrible, but I am so thankful for it as well. God uses these to wake up people and some need more jolt than others.
Is astonishing how so many thought it was "the righteous vs the wicked"
Same. I was the only one in my ward who didn't wear a mask and I was not the only "conservative" who disagreed by a lot. My family used the "I'm following the prophet" on me as well. A member from a far away ward came to ours because they kicked him out for not wearing a mask. My ward must have kicked him out too because he didn't come back and I was told by the bishop in the middle of sacrament meeting, he literally walked down, and told me to wear a mask after the bishopric issued a statement to the ward that they wouldn't enforce it. The excuse was that "we'd get shut down".
I will never forget how me and my family REFUSED to wear a mask at church and how we were treated badly for not "being obedient" to the totally uninspired blind-faith following of alcoholic, womanizing politicians that Mormon leaders worship just one step above God.
As a physician and early signer of the Great Barrington Declaration, I told my wife that the “safe and effective” comment would prove to be one the most, if not the most, false statements ever made by a President of the Church. They need to apologize.
You are going to think you your mind, that one of the most corrupt set of individuals will apologize to the sheep they fleece? Wake up. Stop reading conference talks, read the scriptures painting the scene playing out in front of you.
I’m also a physician and I was dumbfounded at the “safe and effective” statement. I said at the time that it will come back to haunt them.
Nelson is a doctor and a softie and slightly liberal, he wanted so badly to be a prophet when it came to COVID, so much so that he overstepped.
It’s extremely easy to overstep when you are desperate to profess the words of God.
I completely get it, and I’m not upset.
That and the "Just roll up your sleeve and be a good global citizen" was a turning point for me. I knew from early 2020 that this was a political, globalist agenda and I was listening to the doctors who were trying to come out publicly and warn everyone. I knew that Congress was being treated with Ivermectin and HCQ. I knew they were exempt from the jab. I knew the U.S. was sending millions of doses of HCQ to Brazil while banning its use here. There were just so many doctors putting their careers on the line to save lives, fighting the propaganda and narrative, and for church leaders to come out with this, was outrageous. I remember writing at the time that I was not going to be "Jim Jones'd" by anyone. I remember Hawaii standing guard at churches and demanding members show their "vaccine" and wear the Marxist Mask of Submission, the gang wear of the Marxist Left, a term I coined right from the start. I remember choir members couldn't participate unless they were jabbed. And the poor missionaries. I remember watching the interview of Cherie Romney, by Robyn Openshaw, on Robyn's "Green Smoothie Girl" web page, wherein she described how her son and her husband had horrific reactions that nearly took their lives, and also caused Cherie to deliver her fourth child, early, with all sorts of complications. I remember those members who supported the jabs, shouting how the President of the Church was a "doctor" and thus knew what he was talking about, to which I countered that he had been out of medicine for 40-50 years, and explained about CURRENT cardiologists, epidemiologists, cancer doctors, researchers, etc., who were actually on the front lines, saving lives with early treatments, and warning about the jabs. I posted Kari Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, who said that test was never meant to be used as a Covid detector, that they were spinning it so fast it would pick anything and everything. You can find that interview on RUclips. And then the "miracle we've all been waiting for" statement was the last straw. Then there were the donations to GAVI, and cozying up to the globalists. Alarm bells were going off everywhere. I tried to reason that they were trying to protect the church and missionaries abroad, but at what cost to those who died or had life threatening/altering adverse effects. I just could not square the facts to the narrative. And then began the great war amongst the members that continues to this day. Confusion as to what they "really said", or "really meant", with each side declaring they were right and the other side was evil. They will never apologize. To watch Bishops and members behaving like jack boot thugs was eye opening, to say the least. I don't know how they recover from this, but they will never apologize.
Why was my reply deleted, especially when I agree with you?
I couldn't find a wise Dr to seek council from... so I went to the Lord in prayer. I'm so grateful to know that Heavenly Father has my back.
ABSOLUTELY!!! and why wasn't this the #1 message of the 1st Presidency?
God bless you bro
Same here!
YUP
the answer to your query is in the book of mormon. Nelson and his henchmen want COMPLETE power over the thoughts, actions, and free will of their 17 million membership. NOthing new here. Satan is after the same thing and always has been.
This has needed to be said for quite some time. Thank you for the reminder to remember. Not only were people led astray, but many were led to their deaths. No amnesty.
Amen bro
No amnesty but yes to accountability.
The very sad truth. I had family tell me if they died they it didn’t matter because they followed what the prophet said and they’ll be blessed for that on the other side. This was in reply to me stating I choose to go to God in prayer for what is specifically best for me.
Many of us were led to believe that Covid was "no big deal", now three of my relatives are six feet under, and their deaths were not peaceful by any means, coughing up blood for weeks in the IC unit.
I won’t ever forget. The level of certainty some people had and their willingness to turn on friends, family and neighbors was something I now can’t unsee. But I’m grateful that I now know the score, as sad as that is.
DO NOT BE A VICTIM. ALWAYS VET YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE MORMON CHURCH. HAVE NO BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH ANY OF THEM UNTIL YOU HAVE EXPENDED THE APPROPRIATE TIME AND ENERGY TO THOROUGHLY TEST AND VET THEM!!
I used to think a former heart surgeon, a former supreme court judge, an academic scientist was an advantage to being made religious leaders because they could see beyond what the world accepts. Covid showed me how wrong I was to think that.
But all that experience sure does help recognize the dollar.
Imagine if they didn’t have the money to kill mormon leaks?
these three are the blind leading the blind. But for those few who still know how to use their brains, these three are the blind attempting to mis-lead the less blind. THese three have proven themselves to be just as confused , ignorant, misled , and uninformed regarding the future , as the rest of the world.
Maybe the church has been infiltrated by a heart surgeon, a judge, and a scientist????
they were all trained in the matrix
@@lpsbullion Truth!
So righteously angry about this whole mess. Many, especially leaders in the church, need to apologize before we move forward
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It’s like an open wound.
An apology would be an admission of guilt.
How do they answer the question of.
Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow men?
@@joemedeiros298 Good question!
Hoax Oaks has stated " we do not apologize". He gives you his middle finger instead, after a stab to your back.
no amnesty.
People who developed a love for the truth knew not to take the jab. I told my father that Nelson did more to destroy the church than all the anti-LDS propaganda combined, when Nelson demonstrated it was ok to take the jab.
I know 2 people who found the truth of this man-made church initiated by Nelson’s fear-mongering. One was in finance and the other a literal statistician. Nelson and co. were just so obviously and critically wrong.
well said....he lies a lot....even his last conference talk he lied about surviving a gun being held to his head...his story gets bigger and more dangerous everytime he tells it and he was never in danger and no guns were involved
I have numerous relatives who no longer attend church because of the stance the "prophet" took.
@@botofogo2212an apology would possibly help. It’s very important to say “I’m sorry, we were wrong”
Agreed and everyone quoting and kissing nelsons ass is disgusting. How much tithing was spent in lavish birthday parties?
It was a sifting time. people like me who wouldn't wear it started to move to the back of the cultural hall. Then the Bishop said "people who struggle to wear the mask and get the vaccination are like those who struggle with pornography" and I can't remember what other serious sin. The one family who were like me and who were on the very back row, stood up and left. They changed wards. during this time I thought, If there was ever a Moroni 10 moment this was it! Funny thing, The Lord showed me more than this was not good for me, he showed me the doctrine of Christ was not being taught. And since then I've been studying and praying harder than I have my whole life. And It's changed my life for sure.
I’ve not recovered the loss of trust and, more troubling respect, for our general authorities. I expected more from them. I’ve been looking for years for that voice of warning crying in the wilderness and I finally heard it. Heard lots of them, some from unexpected places. But none of them were from the leaders of my church. It’s not so much that they were on the wrong side, but there is no sign of contrition and no evidence that they know what a secret combination is, let alone identify one. They are still paying out money to vaccinate people, still making bad hires, and still colluding with various global secret combinations. I’m still active, still a card carrying member with a strong testimony of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ as delivered to and received by The Prophet Joseph Smith. But I feel a significant sense of loss in the community that is no more.
the mormon "prophets" are such in name only. Mere title holders. Powerless Fakers and takers of the lowest order. "You can buy anything in this world for money" ...... including a temple recommendation ticket. THERE IS NO COMMUNITY IN THE MORMON CHURCH. IT'S DEAD.
I’m the same. I am turned off by the voices now.
The trust lost is huge but a blessing in disguise because now I only have God to trust in.
You lost only the illusion. Now you have the reality!
@@loveandacademics right on!! now, enjoy the reality!!!
My family never got vaccinated. Im so thankful we prayed and received revelation that it wasn't for our family. We never wore a mask at church, including when our boys passed the sacrament when all the other boys and congregation were masked up 😂. I was told in church things like that I wasn't following the Prophet, that wearing a mask is like looking at Moses Brass Serpent, and that getting vaxed or masked up was comparable to a Abrahamic sacrifice. Im so glad we didn't give that poison to our kids. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night worrying about my teenagers getting myocarditis, cancer, blood clots, strokes, etc.
Safe and effective just like thalidomide!
that brass serpent speech from Rasband was a revolting , disgusting LIE!! I knew that instantly when I first heard that speech. Rasband, with "M.D." after hisname, is a quack, who is qualified for nothing more than dispensing BigGulp coffee orders at the local 7-Eleven convenience store.
Thank you for your bravery and following YOUR OWN REVELATION from God to YOU personally.
If only the Saints had not become "sheeple" and followed the exact same process, that you did, I highly doubt that many of the Saints would have been so easily fooled.
I didn't get the experimental jab either.
It truly is apalling that the Brethren have never acknowledged the divide in the Kingdom of God.
Perhaps this will end up like Blacks & the Priesthood where it took till 2016 for the Church of Christ to apologize for what was a clearly racist Policy.
Sounds like you had some Unholy servants in your stake or Ward.
Never saw this. We did mask up, after we didn't go to church for a year. But I live in blue blue Washington.
The poison RMN called a "godsend"
Thank you Connor! This presentation was so well done. I have been preaching and teaching this from the beginning. You expressed, what many of us have experienced, but did it way better than I have. I loved how you taught that freedom of speech should be more of a focus than religious freedom or liberty. What a great insight. Thank you again. I always enjoy your musings.
My Dad past away from complications from Vaccine in Sept 2021.
It has changed my relationship with the church. Still active but I question everything.
I’m so sorry you lost your dad. Especially in that way.
Same.
So sorry. You are not the only one I've heard this from. So many have been sacrificed by the hands of big pharma and their partners (in crime).
My husband (bishop at the time) really started a deep dive study into what it means to be a prophet. After much study of the scriptures and church materials he came to a point of not believing some of the church's doctrine. He removed his membership in January of 2023 after the bishop gave a veiled threat of church discipline if he discussed his concerns with the broader church community. He was tired of being muzzled, having everyone think he was all in.
We still attend every week. We want to fellowship with our church community, but some weeks we wonder if it's right to continue.
So sorry.
@@gospelrocks926 I'm sincerely sorry.
That was the moment in my life when I realized the church is not an ally of truth and freedom, and likely had fallen into a form of apostasy. Probably when Brigham and his lackeys seized control and pushed the polygamy lie. Part of me died when the church betrayed us.
100% this.
Exactly! 💯
INDEED IT DID, AND CONTINUES TO DO SO.
Should we give amnesty to those whose lies and/or mistakes cost the lives and livelihoods of millions, when they have made no apology, shown no remorse, and demonstrated that they learned nothing, so they can simply repeat all the same lies and/or mistakes when the next "emergency" happens?
Let me think... 🤔
*No.*
Amen!
Amen. Very well said. Many lives have never been the same or will ever be the same again after the loss, as in my case, of my spouse.
@@jasonsellers56 THAT’S A HUGE NO!
lesson learned: BEWARE THE MORMON " PROPHETS" WHO CLAIM TO SPEAK FOR GOD!!
This will never be a dead topic. I've made it my mission to make people remember what they did to kids, that they were at least okay with if not out right enforcing sacrificing kids' futures for the elderly. And it didn't even work! I'm not even sure what the role of forgiveness is in this context. But for sure, especially where there is no acknowledgement of wrongdoing, there will be no forgetting.
I gave a talk in sacrament meeting last summer and I let people have it over the way they prioritized accommodating MASKS over people. Mistakes? I want sackcloth and ashes and then we can talk about mistakes.
I would have loved to hear that talk !
Me too.
Brave! I’m too cowardly to do that. God bless🙏🏼
I would read Joseph Smith's sermon to the relief society in 1842. He talks about not blindly following the prophet AND on forgiving without broadcasting the wickedness amongst us in order to preserve the good part of the church which is bringing people back to the Lord.
Still, they need to apologize.
My old bishop who worked at BYU is now chronically ill and had to retire early and enjoys 4 to 6 hours of functionality in the late morning. He strongly advocated for the vaccine and all the boosters.
I didn’t take his counsel too seriously as he also wore a rainbow Ruth Bader Ginsberg shirt and required members to use preferred pronouns at church.
OMH...
Good heck. The mists of darkness are real and all of us are susceptible.
Gross. That's another thing.... Thankful this happened so I wouldn't entrust my kids on missions and to a University that has complete idiots as the mentors.
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he got his reward.......the rest of it will come later
The years of Covid were very difficult for me spiritually. As a lifelong member of the church I felt that I had been taught and prepared to face those challenges. It should have been a time of strength and courage. However it seemed to me we ran and hid with everyone else. I had determined that for myself the vaccine didn’t make sense. I had already had Covid and it was little more than a sniffle. Yet I was forced to take the vaccine by my employer. Having church leaders come out and help shame me into compliance was very hurtful. I knew masks were a total joke. Yet here we were for weeks after returning to meetings shaming members into compliance. I credit my continued commitment to the gospel of Jesus Christ on the fact that Christ is the foundation. I am with you. Forgiveness is essential for all parties. However I hope our leaders will understand because of my experience during those years, I will always remember and will measure their advice very carefully.
BETTER YET ........seek your advice from TRUE sources, and not from liars, obfusators, prevaricators, ecclesiastical TYRANTS, and tithing-hoarding bureaucrats !!!!
Amen 🙏 well said. It's going to take me some time and maybe an apology to forgive fully but I'm with you.
I was not able to see the ultrasound of my first child because of the lockdowns. Think about that. I had to participate in creating my child and I couldn't be present with my wife and the nurse, because it was "unsafe". The pinnacle achievement of my life besides finding my eternal companion, ruined in a way by forever having the memory of being forced to see my first child for the first time through a Zoom call... Before all this I was unworthy to enter the Temple. Finding my wife changed me and forced me to become worthy with the help of our savior. I thought I'd never ever have children of my own because of my bad life choices before then. So it was extra important for me to see my child. I was also the only one in my ward to not wear a mask until the bishop walked down in the middle of sacrament meeting to tell me to put it on after they said they wouldn't enforce it. Along with many others in my ward complained but weren't courageous enough to do it themselves.
NO AMNISTY, NEVER FORGET!!!
I remember only 1 time being asked to fast for the end of the COVID pandemic. I think God was teaching us the lesson to not rely upon man for answers. As a Church, we absolutely relied upon man to end the pandemic.
Same here. I also remember many in my ward who thought the vaccine was a answer to that prayer when Nelson said "We have prayed for this literal godsend. Receiving the vaccine is part of our personal efforts to be good global citizens."
@@zebirarossUgh! I cringe every time I read that statement.
Nelson's alleged priesthood was tossed into the dumpster.
@@zebiraross "global citizens"... sounds like WEF ...
No they should not be granted blanket amnesty, investigate and fix it. Still not done being mad about coronavirus.
you, and millions of others.
You speak truth!!!!
I got in a lot of trouble in my government job for contending against masks and vaccines when we were “encouraged” to get it. I was accused of “politicizing” an issue when I noted the health risks.
Remember and be wise. Do not blindly follow the counsel of the brethren.
I really like this musings. So good Connor. We do need to remember! ❤
Amen! Amen! And AMEN!!! I see some who did listen and got the jab and now have health challenges and blame the brethren. I have seen and are among them who didn’t get the jab who were told often that we weren’t following the prophet. I did the research into the ingredients and I was a big no for me. If the church humbled themselves and apologized many hearts could heal!
ain't gonna hhappen !!!! ever!!! if they did, they would prove themselves to be phony "prophets" , unable, and unwilling to speak with GOd face to face on behalf of the membership or the rest of the world, for truly life and death decisions, let alone spiritual matters..
Amen.
Isaiah 28 and D&C 112 speak of this situation perfectly. It’s very disturbing. Arise and wake to our awful situation
I think we need to talk more about this than we are, we should not just forget now that it's over... then repeat it again... that was the worst time of my life, it felt like nazi Germany -not zion.
Everyone hated each other... it was the opposite of a charitable society.
I don't know if I'll ever get over it. Every time I hear a new case of myocarditis or the like in young people That picture of RMN with a black mask and a needle in his arm come to mind and the words "safe and effective" from that letter ring in my ears like a siren. .💔 All is not well in Zion. 😭
And you mentioned at the end having more forgiveness for those who admit mistake. Why isn't the church doing this?!
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Yes
@@morjulies I saw a video with Dallin Oaks stating “the church does not give apologies. “
@@susanjacobson9461 astounding. 🤯
Our forgiveness should NOT override the need for accountability on the part of those in charge of this.
Spot on.
Forgiveness cannot rob accountability.
When I felt betrayed by my church, I took it to prayer. I was given an answer that I was on the right side of God, that he wants us to make our own decisions and does not want that right taken from us. And that nothing else mattered. Nothing the leaders, family or friends said mattered and to get over it and move on. If I knew where I stood in Gods eyes, that was all I needed. And he would take care of the rest. He is the all mighty and someday those who betrayed us will meet their maker and justice will be served. Ive got on with my life and am happy. I never took the jab and don’t blame others who were deceived. We all have been taught our whole lives, if we have a question, to take it to the Lord! Thats what I did. Did the Brothern do the same? I don’t know and probably will never know in this life. What I learned the night I knelt in prayer, will never be forgotten. Do we all receive the same answers? I don’t know? Luckily I wasn’t coerced to take it, to keep a job or have a medical procedure done. I feel very fortunate for my health. But unfortunately some family had to get the shot to keep their jobs. Others fell victim to the propaganda. It is sad, but they are adults and could decide for themselves. I love my Lord and Savior and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is the name of our church. The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Not the Gospel of which ever prophets name is at the head of it at the moment. Jesus is our true source and will never fail us. To Him, we must always turn.
Someone should have to answer for people losing their jobs and businesses. I can't even imagine what it would be like to lose your livelihood, or your health, because of a lie.
Connor, I am not about to give any of the jerks that perpetrated the hoax on the public a pass. THEY need to apologize and make any reparations as they are able, LDS and otherwise.
That was a very dark time for me. My testimony and trust in the church and the brethren were seriously damaged, after a life of commitment to churchactivity. My faith in and testimony of Jesus Christ kept me going.
I know of a young mother who, while in process of a divorce, was told by her LDS attorney that just because she had forgiven her husband, didn't mean he shouldn't get punished for what he did. Made things come into perspective.
NO AMNESTY! NO PASS!
I dont ever remember the church telling members that they should pay their rent to their landlords despite the "moratorium". It was an abuse of private property and we chose to go along (hive mind) instead of draw clear lines and use caution. We have "Utah Syndrome" where we want to be liked more than peculiar (run counter to the world).
I'm happy to grant amnesty if they explicitly apologize, name their sins, and repent.
I remember learing about repentance in primary! Great idea!
“The church doesn't seek apologies, and
we don't give them.” Dallin H Oaks
Thank you Connor
Our look around corner leaders were only checking to see if anyone was watching them make deals with government officials and the UN.
Didn’t Ezra T Benson warn us about these secret combinations?
Nelson can't even see beyond the end of his nose..........and even that's a stretch.
The church was arm-twisted into promoting the vaccine. Pres. Nelson's statement gave agency to people.
Yes, Benson warned us!
I remember sitting in shock in Sacrament meeting on July 4th, 2021, when literally nobody got up to bare a testimony on our Constitutional freedoms. I got up to the pulpit and let them have it. I talked about Natural Law and chastised anyone coercing others to obey the measures. My stake president sat on the stand that day and I know he resents me for it to this day. I haven't had a stake calling since then.
The gospel teaches us two truths: those who have sinned or out of weakness did wrong need to confess, ask forgiveness and repent and we need to forgive (not forget) regardless of their contrition. Neither Church leaders nor rank and file members are excused from these eternal principles.
Don’t forget the church had stock in Pfizer and Modera. 🤔🤔
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What?!😮
And gave millions to gavi and administered millions of doses in Africa.
Double dip, thats some bill gates philanthropy
@@l7846 YUP! WAKE UP !!
Could you share a source? I'd like to read it, seriously.
I’ve said since 2020 that the hardest part of the Covid “panic” will be forgiving those who were deceived.
As for those doing the deceiving, we have to trust that God will be their judge. If we harbor resentment, it only hurts ourselves. I know from experience.
It helps when they recognize and admit to wrong doing. we are not even to step one, after all this time and evidence. I believe they will never own up to it. some are ignorant and some were purposely deceitful. God knows.
Simply write off the three Big Kahunas at the top and their lower minions, and take a whole box of salt with you, when listening to their babblings. THese bobble heads will lead you astray if you allow it. Choose to ACT rather than be ACTED UPON !!!
I hope I find that peace. I'm not there, not yet.
@ TBH my post is more a statement of a goal than an achievement. If I’m sincere about following Christ, I know that’s where he’s pointing, and of course it’s the one place I don’t want to go.
My 21 year old daughter almost died from the clot shot.
She had 2 large embolisms in her lungs.
She is now on blood thinners, without insurance, it costs $500/ mo.
She was 21 when she took the poison. She is now 24.
We know a 16-year-old boy who died in his sleep because of it… So sad !!!!
I'm really sorry. That has to be a horrible situation for your family.
They give millions to Gavi and the NAACP
They should be accountable to members they mislead.😢
I'm so grieved every time I see one of these stories. When will they stop?!?! Medical doctors keep pushing out the timeline for jab participants to no longer be worried about side effects.
Absolute accountability and no amnesty.
My daughter's best friend, age 23 died by blood clots after her two dosages. She was an only child and is very missed. I heard so many say, "He's a doctor, He's a prophet, He had to say those things to keep the church running". I remember the shaming commercials run between conferences where unvaxxed were selfishly taking the space in hospitals leaving transplant people in a pickle. I remember standing in the horse medicine aisle at IFA desperately wondering which one would save my mom because our government and media shut down the option of Ivermectin and other early interventions. It was traumatic. And group trauma is a tactic to lower the vibration of people to get them weak and compliant. Arresting a lone surfer? really? Everyone was insane. Unfortunately it is the middle man, the "Karen's", who are the most dangerous who enforce agenda of the Gadiantons on the rest of us.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Nelson is a complete turd. I wish more members would see that.
I am disappointed in the church for promoting the vaccines
If they push the next bioweapon at us again, they will shatter the church.
yeah I know in my stake the stake president had meetings on how we could get more member s to get the vax. They pushed it through all the channels.
The church itself did not share only credible and reliable and factual information.
only lies
Instead of Amnesty, how about some punishment? Death and real damage has been done and is still happening.
I would like to see a class action lawsuit. All things stank.
Anyone believing otherwise is now known to be delusional from the beginning. Great shame.
All parties were indemnified for their actions, you would sooner be found in a ditch than be able to get a case to be heard in a court anywhere. Unless this new president who says he wants to clean up government could actually address it. But I would not hold my breath.
No they shouldn’t be given amnesty
Omgosh. Thank you so much. The question is, why aren't church leaders saying this? I did from the beginning and was treated like an apostate. What I've learned and known since a small child is Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and He's whose guidance we can seek directly. How can any leader of any corporation or congregation ever be relied on to be the mouthpiece of God when they've used coercion and lies that have cost so much death and harm. My testimony of Jesus Christ is stronger than ever. But I believe we have been betrayed by those seeking the acclaim of mankind over the guidance and will of God who do so behind a false Mantle. Prophets of old called kings and Queens to accountability and lost their lives doing it. This is truly a confusion of good and evil for those willing to rely on the arm of flesh and in the name of the Lord.
They will and are being held accountable by real leaders such as you and those of us who recognized this was not according to the teachings of Jesus Christ. The wheat and tares are being separated within our eyesight . I feel rage at the utter betrayal of leaders that have led so many to death and heartbreak. Some still prefer blinders. I've chosen to try harder to see more clearly for the AC is surely among us and we see how easily he can lead so many astray. I pray for the enlightenment of all those who care about following our Savior that they won't be deceived to eternal damnation which is a separation from our God.
EXCELLENT!!!! GREAT ANALYSIS!!! RIGHT ON!!!!
I wonder how many people actually feel smart or wise & go to sleep at night knowing they were epically & severly DUPED &/or MISLED, not by only doctors but even church leaders, to injury or death?? 🤔 🤦♂️
Thank you Conor again, if Trump didn’t win i dont think youtube would allow this episode.
Loved it bro !!!!
Church leaders should apologize for the mis and dis information
That's going to happen when pigs fly! 😅
Any time this is brought up now you just get gaslighting, "they never told us to do it. It was always voluntary."
The blatant and absurd cover up of this is almost worse than the crime by members.
I dont hate anyone but I sincerely hope these people have to a price for this one day
Two weeks ago we had both the stake president and an area authority visiting my ward. My stake president gets up and says, “it is my PRAYER that you will REVERE the prophet this year.” Then THANKFULLY, the area authority gets up and says, “come unto Christ and offer your whole souls unto Him.”
I wanted to throw up at the blatant misuse of influence by the stake President. But then again, always been like that.
We have GOT to get away from idol worshipping the prophet and start REVERING Christ and HIS words!
Lehi followed the man in white for hours... hours, till FINALLY he cried directly to God for mercy. Then immediately was opened up the spacious field and tree of life.
My wife nearly divorced me simply because I wouldn't wear a mask. She even dragged me into the bishop so he could chastise me for not following the prophet.
In regards to the facemask-I didn't and won't wear one. But Harmon's (and some other stores) went even further than the arrows and dots on the floor, but actually stopped me and other people from shopping in their stores if we didn't wear a mask. I took that to mean they didn't need my business and I have never been back since. I actively promote against them at every chance.
I hope your video goes viral and rocks the church whom loves the world economic forum and the United Nations.
Aren’t they supposed to be against spiritual wickedness in high places!
The leaders of the Church are the spiritual wickedness in high places.
My family (me, husband, 4 kids), we called the masks our Nazi party armbands.
Thomas Massie said he was the only guy in Congress who doesn't have an AIPAC chaperone who tells him what to do.
Since November we've personally know 5 people who have died from blood clots or heart problems😡
That is so heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time.
My considered opinion is this - the hierarchy of the church is generally much older than the general population, and COVID was primarily a disease of the elderly. I think the elderly church leaders were consumed by their personal individual fears of the virus (and it was a threat for them), but they should understand that they sacrificed the young and healthy in service of their fears.
I would love to have the prophet apologize for not counseling different strategies for COVID to the people who had different risk profiles. "Never visit grandma if you have the sniffles" might have been reasonable, rather than, "take this experimental drug that might hurt your fertility when you want to someday have a family".
Fear is not of God. If our leaders are afraid for their own lives, then they are not leaders! They definitely feared man instead of God. Most elderly died from neglect, and lack of care (and bad protocols) if they became sick. Covid was not an accident but a well planned mechanism to decrease the population and enforce fear and control. The facts prove the leaders are complicit. Cognitive dissonance and normality bias keeps us from believing it.
this is no excuse. these senior senile liars are supposed to be PROPHETS OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watching our Christian & religious brothers & sisters fighting for their freedom to stay open/worship while the lds church shut everything down & went silent for months. That was a big wake up call for me. I didn’t even feel like I was a part of a church the spring / summer of 2020.
There was a FDA presentation on Oct 22, 2020 (before the vaccine rollout!) and they showed one slide that was visible for only 1/5 of a second that listed a number of adverse events, including myocarditis and death. That presentation is STILL on youtube.
When LDS people wake up to their leaders not being prophets seers or revelators, they’ll learn to truly turn to God. Until then, they put them before Christ and that is an abomination.
The message I got after prayer was that I could get vaccinated to keep my job and it wouldn’t hurt me. I went with that because I wasn’t ready to put my families livelihood on the line trying to find a good job at that time. I wish that or similar would have been the message for the church rather than what they ended up putting out. Pretty embarrassing.
This seems like a good time to remind everyone that Russell Nelson is a lifelong member of the Skull and Bones.
🙄Yawn.....
different organization. Old dead claim
Omaha, i think you tuned into the wrong podcast ? People here know that claim is taken out of context.
It was key and lock society I think not skull and bones
@@zissler1 Skull and Bones Junior year, and then Owl and Key Senior year.
If you took boosters or wore masks, Im sorry, but you forfeit your right to lecture me on spiritual advice since you lacked so much discernment to get epically fooled by a pysop experiment.
amnesty and pardons. what if you walked into your doctors office and on the wall of credentials hung a big plaque saying your doctor was pardoned.
No. What has to happen for people to finally be held responsible for their actions? Obviously causing harm wasn’t enough. Hurting children wasn’t enough. Hurting the unborn wasn’t enough. Nothing is enough. As long as there is no line that brings consequences there are no consequences, and the harm will continue.
Unfortunately, the church covers up sex abuse that destroys children’s lives. Leaders who know are not held accountable nor do they apologize.
AMEN
I've been inactive for many years. Quite frankly, I stopped believing many of the Church's truth claims when I was a teenager. Recently, I relocated to my hometown and reconnected with friends who are active members. I've been attending Sunday services regularly for several months now.
I love the people in my ward and genuinely want to believe, but issues like this, along with several others, make me question everything about the Church. How could they not foresee the internet and the challenges it would bring? How could they get something as important as COVID so wrong? Are they truly prophets, seers, and revelators? Why do they consistently seem to get things wrong?
I feel like the Church needs something akin to the House of Representatives to counterbalance the General Authorities, like the Senate.
I've been watching your channel and appreciate your honesty and candor.
Look into the Council of 50. It was originally supposed to be the highest authority in the church, not the apostles (who were supposed to be lifelong missionaries, not old and decrepit administrators) or any kind of "first presidency".
It will correct itself. Wait till the next prophet, I promise you that he will change things back to where they need to be.
@@zissler1 oh no he wont....he will change a lot but just to focus his own power spot...oaks was horrible in 2020 and told people to give up their freedom and belittled people for daring to question it being safe.....
discusting
What man will be prophet next and will fix this????
@CM333-z6cPresident Oaks will be the next Prophet.
Great great musing!❤😊
I sincerely hope that Trump finds a way to prosecute these people for what they did, religious leaders included.
No amnesty for anyone. Period.
Just one more thing to never forget.
You should make a short of that headline montage. Loved it!
Excellent idea... (shorts)
It's something that someone else made a long time ago.
@@loveandacademics thanks for letting me know. I did wonder if that might be the case. Either way I like it!
Been a very hard 5 years. I got hit with an economic sledgehammer and been very difficult. I watched as people all around me cashed their checks, socialized privately while engaging in covid theatre publicly and played along while I never took "stimulus' ( a debt passed on to others) and lost 1.7M dollars in business and loads more in opportunity costs. Today I watch these same people who played along, cashed the checks, complain about the cost of things and I always ask how much they took in stimulus or if they wore their masks and "followed the rules". Of course they now all say they didnt. Interesting..because I was maybe only 5% of people I saw who wasnt playing the game. Who sold us out the most? Boomers. They were too busy watching their wealth explode instead of taking a leadership role and using their wisdom as sentinels over society to warn us of this government over reach and difficult economic times that would come. I dont think any event in my life has made me more disappointed in people in general....
Amen!!
Poor little SF it’s always the Boomers fault. Get out of bed and go to work and maybe you can have a better life and quit blaming your failures on someone else.
as a GenXer, I agree. the older generation really screwed the younger people over. When the youth were gathering in no mask parties "illegally" during covid. I cheered them on. and the older generations were saying "how irresponsible and dangerous" The younger generation has a lot more sense, and good reason to stop listening to the older people. i am disappointed in half of GenX and almost all of Boomers.
@@jamesreilly181
What the h are you talking about?
I am a “boomer” and I feel really bad that you think all this is my fault. I have never taken any vaccine, since I was old enough to do so by myself (18) and I had 11 children that did not have any vaccines until they chose for them selves. I absolutely do not care for our “sickcare” system. It is so wrong! Read your scriptures, people!
I know multiple families that left "the church" because of the stance on the jab and masks.....i don't blame this for being an eye openening dilemma but it makes me sad that the church officially saying that abortion isn't murder or the church sponsoring gay pride events such as the "love loud festival" was not a bigger reason to leave
For the dead horses...I was fired from my job for my stance. I had worked as a custodian to become the head of a school district...secret leaders who lead the world into this dark period. I found a full time job with a new school, I found that I needed to find president Benson's truth taught dispight the sourcry that we may have out lived. God has blessed me by obeying my council. Thanks Again for this video.
Poor Grieg. He had no idea his music would be such a powerful tool to illustrate when "that accelerated quickly..."
Nice work as always Conner.
9:38 CORPORATIONS playing corporation games.
I sustain President Nelson as a prophet, seer, and revelatory, and the only man with the Keys of the Priesthood on the earth today. I simultaneously want to see him in prison for the rest of his life for what he did.
I sustain him as well, but I agree with you. Of course, the prison term may only last a few weeks, considering how old he is now.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C. S. Lewis
Another fantastic video! thank you Conor!
elder renlund wow what can I say about that man.
No the law needs to pushed on these individuals. there should be no exceptions 501(c)(3) any organization that is viewed as an NGO should face full accountability and receive full and maximum punishment of law if found guilty. This includes the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints and most churches and charities
The amount of emotional and psychological damage of shutting down church caused me definitely what makes me think. I’m going to go after the churches insurance. Not the church itself. There’s a reason why you have insurance.
At this point I’m so glad they shut down church so I had the chance to actually experience a Sunday spent worshipping God not worried about making it to all of my meetings 🫠 and it gave me insight as to what is really important to the church and it’s not fearing God and upholding principles of truth. It was bowing to the arm of flesh at a time so many of our rights were violated.
It should now be obvious to people that the leadership of the church are not true prophets, and that the church is in apostasy... There's no other explanation.
AMEN, Connor.
Coercion by gov. Whitehouse website had a video of 8 gov telling Biden how their states were encouraging vaccine. Cox himself said “we know people do not trust the government so we have reached out to religious leaders”. Not word for word but I watched it twice. It was apparent they got help from religious leaders of all kinds. It was a zoom call between Biden and those 8 governors, one being Gov Cox.
Lots of people still dying, probably just starting. Otherwise healthy people cashing out in their 50's.
yup. thanks nelson. great prophecy there back in 2021 !!!
Alma 13, ....not all prophets are created equal no more than home teachers are all the same. Truly, President Nelsons exhortation should have said Hear Him Hear Him, don't always listen to us but that is probably our test isn't it? Many failed big time. Elder Chandler Webb from Sandy got his shots before going to the MTC but he went home and died that night instead. Must of been his time right?
Brings new meaning to the words in the hymn, " And should we die, before our journey's through, HAPPY DAY. All is well," Doesn't it.?!
All is not well, is it?. :(
you need severe psych intervention!! THese "prophets" are phonies. THey have been tested, and have failed.
So sad...and shouldn't have happened. 😢
AMEN!
So… you’re saying this isn’t a “literal godsend” nor “safe and effective”? Asking for a few friends in SLC.
At the time I write this comment, there are 278 comments. That is a very small group of people. A relatively small fraction of the population, and I suspect smaller fraction of members of the church, refused the jab and masking. A much larger percentage of the population received the jab, including members of the church.
The church has already offended a small minority of its members. If it were to apologize, it would alienate a large percentage of its members. Why would the church do that? It won’t. Very little good will come from an apology, and that is why, even though Conner‘s comments are spot on, as are all the comments to this podcast, you will never hear an apology.
BUT, gospel of Jesus Christ is still true, this is still his church, and we are still led by a prophet of God who can lead us aright in spiritual matters. each of us has the satisfaction of knowing that we were guided by the Holy Ghost to discern truth. That is very satisfying, indeed.
So, get up, move on and forget about vindication or an apology. It’s not coming.
Yes, mistakes, albeit some large mistakes, were made. I'm very sad for those who lost lives, health and businesses over this. Also I'm sad for those who left the church. It was a learning experience for all. Question everything and take it to the Lord.
Wonderful! We do need to remember what happened. No excuses! Glad you reminded us. All who pushed this vax need to be held accountable.
I personally think this would be an awesome opportunity to teach the church members how repentance is done from the top.
However, what I understand of how repentance is actually done is to pretend it never happened. Well, at least publucly pretend or say that it was the best I could do.
I sometimes wish I believed members believe and live their religion, not they get a feeling of being more important or righteous for living their religion.
“the church doesn’t seek apologies and we don’t give them.” -Dallan H Oaks
@@cohort29well that is shameful and most arrogant of him!!!
@@cohort29 HOAX THE HYYPOCRITE
@@traciwavra7346 HOAX THE HYYPOCRITE
We cannot let the issue sleep because it showed the pride of the church. Sad to remember how much fear the church was pushing at the time
I thought we should rely on the power of the priesthood to be healed, not government made solutions.
I thought I had awakened a lot in 2017-19 but I think it was just the tiniest little bit to prepare me for 2020. How everyone was not seeing the myriad of lies around every corner that year is beyond me. I really think God had prepared me. I have not been asked for forgiveness by anyone. I was treated horribly for being a normal/natural human.