Ketones Are Becoming Cycling’s BIGGEST PROBLEM
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Ketones Are Becoming Cycling’s BIGGEST PROBLEM
For the past few years, many of the top World Tour teams have been openly using a “gray area” performance enhancer, despite some concerns of its influence. And that enhancer is called Ketones, which is the peloton’s favorite shadowy super-booster, and for many, pro cycling’s final taboo. But why are Ketones so shady and how have they become one of cycling’s biggest problems?
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If they are legal, there is nothing to talk about. If UCI and WADA don't forbid them, there is nothing to talk about. If smaller teams can't afford them, there is nothing to talk about. We live in capitalist free market system. The richest teams give contracts to the best riders, right? Should we stop this too? i don't understand the point of this video.
You don't get it at all. It is a "new" product, nobody? knows what are the consequences after prolonged use. Does it not bother you that epo records are broken easily in those days?
Ketones are not new. If you have knowledge of a new product, prove it. @@theodorepapatheodorou4679
@@theodorepapatheodorou4679 Doesn't bother me at all that previous records are broken, even those records set in the EPO days. It was bound to happen, in all sports things improve over time and records are broke. Swimming, sprinting, distance racing, etc all of these sports over time, the world records are broken. Are all of those sports only breaking records because of doping?
@@ShimmyD-u7g basically yes
@@ShimmyD-u7gyes and better tech.
the comments about exogenous ketones being super expensive seem off the mark to me. Ketone-IQ is less than $4/dose retail, I don't think that's prohibitive for ANY pro cycling team.
Literally the same price as a Maurten gel
None of them use Ketone IQ, because it is a intoxicating diol and not a ketone ester, so it doesn't matter how cheap that product is (even teams that get paid to talk about it, aren't seen using it at the finishline) Quickstep and Astana take 2 full $25 bottles per day. So $50 worth per rider per day, does add up. So a little more than Maurtin gel. But worth it.
Frank
@@DerrickLytlephotonot exactly. They take $50 worth each day. Frank
If a cycling team can’t afford ketones, than they’ve got problems
Of course teams don't want to give away their training methods. It doesn't mean they're breaking any rules.
They're only controversial because they cost so much per dose. Other than that, your body produces ketones naturally: if riders go on the keto diet, will that still be controversial?
Well for your body to produce them you have to cut carbs out the fuel for endurance sports. So basically impossible to get your body to produce them naturally while training for an endurance sport and be competitive.
Ketones are absolutely naturally produced by your liver by breaking down fats. There are a lot of things The body produces naturally that are dangerous if too much is produced (red blood cells) The question should be: is this dangerous for the athletes? If not, then it should be allowed
Lots of things that are naturally produced are banned…
a keto diet as a pro cyclist will never work !!
our bodies also produce "steroids"
The final bottle has been the talk of the town now for a few years.
Ketones are just an alternative energy source that let's you absorb more calories per unit time than running on sugars alone. That's all. You max out at about 600 calories per hour from normal food sources, you can't process any more into glycogen, ketones let you top up and delay bonking and as such reduce oxidative stress and lactic acid production.
People who say it's a placebo effect are fools. Your body makes it when you don't eat carbs or when fasting. And I can tell you as some one with experience with training in fasting state, I recover a LOT faster and a mental clearness I had never before. There is studie evidence that your brains prefer ketones over carbs when given the choice. I dare say that it's safer/better for health to take ketones over a glucose gel.
This looks and sounds like a commercial. Flashy images of bottles, brands and mixing, repeat "ketones" 50 times so it will burn to your mind.
The sports science literature that I have read recently is pretty equivocal as to whether they actually enhance performance -- at least as things stand now. The companies that sell them are certainly going to push it and make overblown claims. I teach physiology at a medical school (albeit not exercise physiology). The UCI is not going to figure this out. Sports scientists at universities will, but I would bet a great deal that any real effects seen will be marginal.
Marginal gains, you said it best.
Frank
Not a cycler but ketones and ketone Esters work unbelievably well
Yes, it can do more than help cyclists
Frank
This is the most clickbaity title in a long time. Completely made up story. Unsubscribed :/
So not performance-enhancing, just a more energy-dense fuel
Yes, but there are also many studies that look into the effects that post-ride consumption of ketones have on recovery. There is some research that indicates that some substances of the substances the we colloquially call ketones (chemically speaking ketones are not only ketones but also esters of those ketones with fatty acids) increase endogenes EPO production. Basically, ketones trigger EPO production.
Neither, actually, unless you believe marketing. There isn't a shred of evidence supporting the bodies uptake of ketones outside of ketosis.
@@PePethePedalPusherthis comment didn't make sense. No evidence the body can use ketones that are consumed exogenously?
Frank
lol ketones are the least of worries, they are just quite expensive if you dont have a big budget
Too add a counterpoint, ketones are a backup system, it's a system that steps into place, when the body experience hunger. So what could be detrimental, for running the body on an emergency system?
First; ketones prioritize the brain. In the struggle for survival in a hunger situation, the body makes the brain first priority, that you might survive. If you get confused, behave irrational, then it's all over. That the system is an emergency system, shows itself further, as it acts as a signal molecule, telling all muscle to release their sugar contend into the bloodstream.
This again, so that brain has access to energy, that you may survive.
But whether you are a "longevity expert", who are doing stuff to live 120 years, or you are a Tour de France rider trying to win a race. What does it actually mean, to do heavy exercise on a starving heart? The Longevity expert, will fast for +20 hours, then go and do heavy exercise burning fat to ketones, thinking this is healthy. He will do this every day.
Maybe not aware, that he is taxing heavilly, a starving heart, and perhaps leading him, to not live longer, but live shorter.
The longevity experts, and the elite sportsmen, are all their own guinea pigs.
Some use ketones just for when their brain starts to falter during longer events. Frank
If ketones are legal, they probably don’t do much.
Sugar is legal, that must not do much either.
That conclusion seems flawed.
Frank
This is a infomercial?
MCT OIL? A good alternative? 😬
Speaking of drinks in a little bottle, I took pickle juice for the first time on saturday and it didn't work 😐 I still cramped up. I also washed it down with a can of coke right afterwards so that might have been why it didn't work.
Yeah you gotta pair the electrolytes with hydration, although I completely understand taking a swig of cola during exercise 🙌
I have had good results with pickle juice. At first sign I sip pickle juice. Just a bit in the mouth. Good luck.
I take pickle juice or even the juice from the bottle of green olive 🫒,I take about an ounce or 2 when I ride in hot summer,been doing that for the last 4 yrs,it’s been working great,haven’t had any cramps in about 8 yrs
@@chicoh22a Yeah I think it was the coke that might have neutralised the effects.
You still cramped up because no one knows the exact reason for cramping up.
Placebo back in the day were fantastic.first two albums were epic.
They went more mainstream since and not my cup of tea.
😅
Someone gets it, lmao, and so does all the science. Its the marketing we are seeing at play here
Remember ASH? Ocean colour scene?
I “use” ketones. Naturally. I’m a ketogenic cyclist. No more carbs for me.
Any difference on performance?
@@hugozavalaflores3953 oh yes. Huge! I can ride 200kms without eating. No more lactic acid pain. I can switch between vo2max and anaerobic efforts within just seconds of rest. Beat all my Strava PBs. There is no way I’m going back to carbs.
Too bad because the ketones actually work MORE for those that are already keto.
Imagine a sugar based athlete saying "sorry I don't drink sugar, my body makes it". That would be silly.
Ketones for keto people is just a more compatible fuel for them. DM. I'll send you some. Your fasted workouts will go back to gel levels.
Frank
@@KetoneAid I want some too!! I do consume carbohidrates durung cycling and rn Im vomolementing with a ketone shot previous to
@@KetoneAid ROFL! 🤣🤣🤣 Are you trying to sell me ketones?!
How does the O2 to ATP ratio compare to glucose?
If only there was a natural diet and way of training to create your own ketones! 🙄
Anyone in ketosis will get absolutely slammed by a cyclist who is carbed up…
@@alessandrot8313 And anyone not in ketosis will not benefit from extra ketones in the body. It's a hilarious marketing gimmick tbh
There's plenty of studies about them. They have been put foe over 10 years. Their benefits are probably in the marginal gains category at best and there seems to be no real side effects. Show me a study that says they are in anyway harmful
Show me a study that says ketones are beneficial outside of Ketosis. Anything not beneficial, could be seen as harmful, and anything being sold to thousands of young athletes on completely false pretenses is harmful.
@@PePethePedalPusheryeah all the other sugar gels are not harmful to your health at all
@@GTE_Channelgreat point. Sugar is wrecking the metabolism of these athletes. Frank
I think there is evidence that Keytones are just marketing hype. I'd ban long socks as they look daft
plenty
It could be a distraction.
Of professional sports men and women stopped using energy enhancing drugs... will they perform the same... just water , food and your muscles... many can't win. What's the effects on the body after you retire from competitive sports. Supplements equals to shortcuts in sports.😮
Question is...are all the "ketons" made equal, or some are more equal than others and teams like Visma adds something undetactable in it?
Not all ketones are equal. So not every ketone product will be an actual extra fuel source.
Great question. That team talks about it because they are sponsored. But nobody actually saw them drunk it during the TDF. Question is what did they drink when they went back to the bus.
Huge difference between a ketone ester and an intoxicating ketone diol.
Frank
@@GTE_Channelcorrect! All the science is with a ketone monoester. Not an intoxicating ketone diol.
"ketone", sure, that's their secret.
Exactly. It's probably a mask or very similar to a metabolite of all of the other gear they are on 😂
Excellent video but work on your pronunciation.
Who cares, they’re riding bicycles. Try a real sport, like knitting.
lol, nice one
Using Ketones is silly. At best they are as good as energy source as Maltodextrin/fructose for lower intensities. But they taste terrible so why take them instead of Maltodextrin?
Because it uses another energy path so you can use them alongside 'normal' fuel sources.
click bait
Note that Tiesj Benoot could not use ketones at Sunweb/DSM but can take them now. Do you see a big difference?
What is the big deal about ketones? Ketones are natural and needed by the body if you dont like glucose like me. Some carbs addicted cyclists would rather take gels and bunk. Is that better. It is so funny when you ask the so called experts, they think like the old schools scientific minds. They all think we need carbs and we dont except for the extreme demands.
What a load of nonsense.
Ketones are naturally produced in the body, especially when you are on a ketogenic diet, a.k.a "keto" (keto-genic = ketone making).
They are not only healthy, but very much so, much much more than carbohydrates (which are actually poisonous - ask any diabetic).
lol u understand u are carbon based life form right? :D
What's that got to do with anything?
There's carbon in your cells, there's carbon in carbohydrates, there's carbon in fats, there's carbon in protein, there's carbon in ketones.
There's actually carbon in most organic toxins as well.
@@NimrodGilAd i can feel my iq dropping reading this
Bruh, ketosis is your bodies defense mechanism against death via starvation. So, Ketones are your bodies reaction to being treated extremely badly and being unhealthy. That doesn't make them healthy. You cannot survive without eating carbs, long term. You can survive without eating Ketones. Hence, Carbs are healthier, because they are actually apart of a healthy diet.
Lots of words and rather a circular argument. I was expecting some digging on the negative effects and risks, and then on the Positive. 9:23 I'll never get back.
They’re legal.
I think Quintana use Ketones
I drink Pepsi hahaha
They’re legal, and I don’t have any problem with it at all. However, in terms of in race benefit - they are far, far, far more beneficial for the outcome of a race Testosterone ever could be.
Ketones are a fad, snake oil salesman at work here.
Synthetic super juice seems fake and wrong, yet O well, riders can drink up their lab-made booster and get even speedier for the sake of the show. I applaud those who are voicing concern and caution. It always seems that, eventually, chemical concoctions are found to be detrimental to one's health. Perhaps then the UCI would have to lance these ketone-era victories from the record books.
That supplement is not to make the cyclists faster. I read about ketone his main use is to prevent to hit the wall by maintaining the sugar on the blood at normal levels. But if you ABUSE it or use it when you do not need it, I think it can increase your sugar levels a lot and make it at risk of a heart attack for people with cardiac illness or cause diabetes in the long term use just like energy drinks with a lot of sugar and caffeine. As always all you consume can be harmful in excess.
@@FranciscoMacera-sh7uy Thanks for that explanation and yeah, for me, I'd simply prefer that riders go all-natural with their food and drinks and supplements and I would think in this day and age of healthy, clean consumption that riders would enforce a no-chemical policy among themselves. And until I saw this report, I thought ketone were naturally sourced, something akin to whey powder. But if ketone are legal and craved by teams, well, so be it, just seems unusual in the wake of recent enhancement scandals.
Let them go natural we see if they can maintain the stamina... just foods and water.
Yeah let's pretend all the other energy powders they use are not lab made and are completely natural.
@@GTE_Channel I am not bashing powders and boosters for people and I actually believe/hope every winner is clean and not a contaminated cheater. But yes, it would bring extra assurance if somehow everyone ate and drank natural foods and juice and such. Still, no loss of sleep from me over any of it, I cheer for the racers and all of us enjoying the benefits of cycling, including guilt-free Cokes and Snickers as reward and replenishment. 😀