I am a Christian, why am I in Hell?! - Pat's Testimony
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- I am a Christian, why am I in Hell?! - Pat's Testimony
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Pat was a busy Christian, serving the Lord in her church in various ways. She loved people but lost sight of her Redeemer. In 1991, she was woken up spiritually in a way she never could have imagined. Find out what happened, and what she shares will leave a lasting impression.
“And you, son of man, say to the sons of your people, ‘The righteousness of the righteous man will not save him in the day of his transgression; and as for the wickedness of the wicked, he will not stagger because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness, whereas a righteous man will not be able to live because of his [previous acts of] righteousness on the day when he commits sin.’ When I say to the righteous that he will most certainly live, and he trusts in his [previous acts of] righteousness [to save him] and commits injustice, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but he will die for his injustice that he committed.”
Ezekiel 33:12-13 AMP
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I once studied the word dominion and presumptuous sin and I asked the Lord “what is presumptuous sin. ?“
It was a day or so later that I was faced with a temptation to disobey the Lord and I said in my heart “God’s grace will forgive me “
I heard the Lord clearly say “that is presumptuous sin, to presume that you have license to sin, because I am gracious”
I pray always that He reveals self- deception and keeps me from taking his grace for granted. His mercies are new every morning and just as Esther needed the scepter of grace extended to her she didn’t assume that she’s exempt from that law because she was his wife. She approached the throne knowing and needing the mercy and grace of the King not her husband.
What a revelation! Especially how you tied in Esther. Wow
TY for sharing what our Lord revealed to you. I needed to hear that. My “little” presumptuous sins are horrible. Ty
@@stevevos2764 me too. Wow. Amen
Thank you for sharing the grace that came to you
I been clean from alcohol for 4 years and today I been wanting to drink all day! I thought I can maybe drink and ask forgiveness after I drink but it’s so delusional. Help me with this I don’t want to commit this sin
I smoked cigs, too, for over 30 years. Loved my smokes. Quit several times but always picked it back up. One day, i just asked God to help me stop. It was IMMEDIATE. i threw them away and haven't had a cig since that prayer. He ANSWERED my prayer!
Please pray for me, i really need to stop smoki. I really want to hate them. Pls Lord forgive me and deliver me, to Your glory. Amen ❤🙏
@@Belinda-h8p Prayed for you! I used to be a longtime smoker and quit before I knew the Lord (but recognize it was His grace that allowed me to quit and gave me wisdom). Memorize Philippians 4:13! God bless you!
@@daughterofgod3721 thank you very much. God bless you 🙏🙏❤❤
Oh how I can testify to that!! I was that way as well, I had to do it by faith with God's help of course,I was doing the same thing, but to say, back and forth I went with cigarettes, but finally God delivered me..many many, many years ago, and never looked back,..thank God for Jesus!!,
Would you please pray for me that I can quit? I believe God delivered me from cigarettes and I went back with my own free will. I’ve tried quite a few times since and I’m having a hard time with it.
As a backward believer, living in rebellion, God has warned me many times. I have verbally told people that I know that I am above all people completely inexcusable and guilty. God has given me so much and God literally presses me, I feel his presence intensely, and I shut my mind to commit it anyway.
I watched this and my insides are absolutely petrified and shaking.
Please pray for me as I repent before the Lord. My name is Adam. 😭🥺
I feel in a similar boat brother. I will pray for you right this moment. And when I’m done praying for you I’ll submit this comment and ask the same for your prayers brother.
God bless all with peace, love, health, safety, prosperity, and protection!
Adam I feel like you do. I am so hungry for Jesus and having a real relationship with him yet I still struggle so badly with denying sin. I have a couple sins that are ever present in my life and I believe it keeps me from having the transformative experience I so yearn for. Yet the demon of addiction and the demon of hate have me bound. I will pray for you Adam. Know that you are not alone 🤍 🕊️
Praying Adam.
It's his goodness that draws us to repent.
A humble repented heart does not want to live in sin.
WELL SAID
I bet you're super humble and repentant, huh.
But it feels like EVERYTHING is a sin...
@@liia9736yes it feels like we are suppose to live in fear.. aren’t we suppose to receive like little children ?
Amen Amen Amen 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💕💕💕
There's a guy who was taken to the Lord whil he was driving and he was gone for over a hour and he was returned to the car still driving. The Lord can do that. THANKFULNESS,it so important to practice all day everyday.
I have sin with food and money. I've asked the Lord to forgive and help me. He has opened the door for me to receive help in both areas. I am so grateful that He wants me to live eternally with Him.
That was obviously aliens.
What she did to stop her cigarette 🚬 addiction is the same thing i did to stop my porn/sex addiction. I confessed to God I had a problem and then I asked Him to take it away, in the meantime Ill try to resist. It was weeks before I realized it was gone. 🙏🏾
Its not by your own works. Resisting is your own works.
From what I understand, its by His grace. His grace is sufficient for us.
Resisting isn’t your own works - the Bible literally says faith without works is dead (James 2:26) and that we must “resist the devil and he will flee” (James 4:7). We pray for God’s help AND by faith, we take action to help ourselves. What this man did is biblical.
@@mrtwister9002it is, you have free will
Same here. Bad company corrupts good character. ❤ Thank you Jesus
@@mrtwister9002 James says to resist the devil and he will flee from us. That's an active work that we can do because we have the power of God within us to do so.
On a daily basis I ask God to forgive me of my sins. I even ask to point out any i didn't recognize or notice. I understand there is no perfect person and thats why we rely on Jesus.
Amen. As do I. As soon as I wake. Because we are in this corruptible meat bag.
According to her, the blood of Jesus isn't enough. If she was born again then the blood of Christ should have covered her.
@@deshia1471 Yes, thats why: "Jesus, please wash me with Your blood and fill me with the Holy Spirit so that I can enter Heaven again!
Amen"
@@tjombom If you truly accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you don't have to pray a lie against the Bible! Stop IT!!!!! You are going against what Jesus Taught and Paul Taught! Why?
@@deshia1471 And if you were to compare what she said to the Bible you would know that what she is saying is a lie and straight from Lucifer! All words like this can be compared to Scripture and we know those Words are a lie to Deceive YOU! Why do you buy into these lies of Lucifer?
By God putting Pat through this experience He rescued her from eternal damnation and by her sharping her testimony with us He will rescue many of us from the same. Thank you Pat for your faithfulness, God bless you sister, you have blessed me. I hope to meet you in heaven someday.❤️🙏
This is confirmation. I was talking with Jesus this morning asking what is holding so many people back. First word was Pride, Arrogance, and Self. We are to be humble. To serve and to love one another.
That’s right! So many just skip over the fact that Pride is not of The Father, but of the world! Not even God is Proud….. which is Vain Glory or Worshipping the work of His Own Hands. He made us, in the hopes that we would willingly WORSHIP HIM and I Do! Amen
@@foxecarpentress4964
So you think salvation is based upon how you live not based upon what you believe? One sin could keep a person out of heaven Jesus died for all sins he doesn’t see person’s sin because they are all forgiven so either you believe all your sins are forgiven and you trust in Jesus or you are working for your salvation and you are trusting in your works not Jesus finished work
These so called visits to hell pure nonsense because a Christian who trusts in Jesus could never end up there ever
@@markhall6306 Right? These stories border on legalism which is killing the church. Not saying people should "sin that grace may abound", but it makes the cross of no effect if salvation is based on works.
@@markhall6306no it's faith and works.. faith without works is dead James 2! Matthew 25 is based on works separating the sheep who feed the hungry, visited the sick and imprisoned etc they did 'work', those who didn't do these things were the goats and cast to our darkness.. did Jesus say just have faith in me and your saved.. no! Demons have more faith in Christ than any human but are not faithful we have to live our faith which is following Christ and his example of works.
@@heyitsedz1785 James is talking to saved people no it’s not works you add works to salvation you cancel out your salvation stop listening to false teachers
I drank alcohol for 35yrs or so. I got saved and still drank but ended in rehab twice. It's only now recently that I was completely delivered from it.
Amen!
I can relate to this…I drank for 15 years or so and even while I got saved I still was battling with drinking (as it is a strong generational curse on my father’s side). God has recently set me free the very beginning of 2024. It’s like I woke up one morning and didn’t even have a desire for it anymore! I knew immediately that God had set me free. He took it away just like that!!😊
Praise God!
@@kenyalove7343excellent that is so good to hear :) nice bot to have the desire anymore. Makes it easier for sure ❤
@@Edoc-kc9mn Thank you. All praises to God my Father🙌🏾❤️
GOD IS GOOD. AMEN
I am a disgusting sinner Saved By The Precious, Precious Blood Of My Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ. Thank You Lord Jesus! Thank You! Luke 5:32
Right! None of us can ever be “good enough”.
Thank You Dear Friend! God Bless You Always! Thank You Lord Jesus! Thank You! John 3:16
We are seated in heavenly places we aren’t disgusting sinners anymore
@@vespfreegottlieb4263 No, she is right. You aren't seated anywhere. Especially not heavenly places, thats blasphemy. You dont deserve any of it and you never will. It's only because of Gods grace that we even have a chance. You can't buy your way into heaven by being a good person.
Your "good deeds" are dirty, filty rags before the Lord. Isaiah 64:6
@@caesarskiba9008 Then what's the point?
He said come to me as a child. So I will come to Jesus as a child like minded.
This testimony was one of the best I have ever heard. Thanks Pat. I never heard of presumptuous sin. God Bless
Presumptuous Sin is the same as Hypocrisy.
Blessings 🙏✝️🙏
Yes, but she condones Joyce Meyer, word of faith, apostles for today etc. We cannot live perfect lives. We do fall at times in our human conditions. Yes we have to pray against wilful sin.
I never had myself 😮
probably because it isn't in the bible
@@oscarcat1231Joyce Meyer is not from God.
He that has an ear to hear let them hear. Many people in the comments are having a problem with this woman's testamony because she said she was born again and still went to hell. Its really quite simple. Born again is the beginning of salvation. A person must then live worthy of that calling. This is why Jesus said many are called but few are chosen. He also said count the costs before you start the walk. It is better not to have known the way of righteousness then to have known it and turn back. Yes, a born again Christian can loose their salvation by living an unrepentant, lukewarm, doubleminded life. Is that a fearful message? Yes. Thats why Peter said to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. And Paul said it is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. He that has an ear to hear let them hear.
I love you
We don't know anything about her. She was saying absolutely nothing really, her narcissism, self importance and internal rage are palpable. She contradicts herself numerous times and just gets angrier and angrier. She was also reading from a script in front of her but was completely lacking any genuine emotion. Deep caution to be used with this one.
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I agree with you completely.
I also used to struggle to understand with the meaning of working out your own salvation with fear and trembling. The way your explain it makes complete sense.
Thank you
I do agree with you@@bloggerty-schmoo2698, but I still believe God works in mysterious ways. And what I see is someone who still isn’t humbly responding to the call of The Lord due to her narcissism and internal rage. She’s still struggling with the Pharisee spirit for sure. We should probably pray for her. Lots of what she said was actually biblical.
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:1)
Hebrews 10:
26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Of course if we are in christ we are sanctified. Not by our works but his. Do not deceive yourself that we can live in conscious unrepentant sin.
The road to heaven through Jesus is narrow. Dont be deceived that you can sin and repent anytime you want. That means you have it easy. I do believe that a lot of christians will be surprised where they end up because they dont want to carry the cross that is striving for righteousness. Not just living like the world and counting on being saved.
Thank you 🙏
Remember that last part, Paul contrasts sowing to the flesh and corruption with sowing to the spirit and eternal life in Galatians.
@@thatguy1729 thats refering to the deliberate sin of apostasy and seeking salvation through another means other than that which was provided by the sacrifice of Christ , but it is NOT referring to a believer who struggles with any particular sins and needs continual forgiveness . people have been misunderstanding this verse for too long now .
I made it to 38:16 before I stopped the video to change my vote from up to down. Then I went down the page, reading people's comments to see if I was the only one who was finding this to be fishy and unscriptual. I'm far from alone and it makes me thankful that I have some discernment in these last days. I will take from this video one thing: Check yourself to be certain you are IN Christ Jesus and that He be in you. Do it often. Rest in the assurance of your salvation through Grace, by Faith.
I don't feel this was an authentic experience unless it was a "familiar spirit" as a result of her being "a seer". Honey, you're on New Age territory and I think a lot of Christians think that if we attribute these experiences to be of and from the Holy Spirit, it makes it okay. I am guilty of such things in my past, too.
I got the feeling that if I continued to the end of the video, I would hear her say she had written a book about this experience. Sorry. I can't buy this, or whatever book you come out with. We can not and should not believe everything someone says in these NDE videos. Use discernment and see if the story lines up with scripture and with Grace.
I think she sounds totally sincere and is not disagreeing with anything in scriptures. It reminds me of the Bible verse that tells us to be careful when we think we stand, lest we fall.
It could of been a vision for her and her life
@@am33-dj8zd if what happened to her matches what the Bible supports, then it’s true for everyone.
I feel the same way, if you’ve truly accepted Jesus Christ as your saviour & that he is the Son of God etc, you are saved. I do believe you can fall away by changing your mind about Jesus, so you have to remain in faith.
I feel the same. good words but for me, she talks like she's teaching and not what she learns. I feel she didn't tell us what she did that put her in hell if that's where she went. I feel she could have been having an AWWWW awakening of her spiritual belief for I don’t think she had an NDI, so what was it. She hasn't told us what what her sin was that she feels put her in hell. Don't get me wrong but there's no self-reproach of what she thinks she did. Not wording this right. She hadn't told us what she learned her self but she’s just teaching and defining. God Bless...I’m not putting her down. God Bless her.
Good word. Lord please help us to not sin against you ❤😢
Amen!
Amen
Amen
This was very scary. Made me think of the verse ‘Hold onto your salvation”
@@dublindog8038 Why are you upset?
Yes. I felt tormented and oppressed over some of it. God’s mercy and love were left out of this talk. That’s why the bad feelings.
@@dublindog8038I highly doubt that a truly saved person can go to hell. These people that went to hell more than likely never put their faith in Christ and truly believed. Same as people who say they were saved and then got demon possessed. Devils are not gonna shack up with the Holy Spirit that lives in a true believer!
Phil.2:12 mentions work out your own salvation, and the following verse mentions the context.”For it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Julia, you testified of the goodness of God and you put yourself out there and humbled yourself to identify with others. Pat in her testimony was using the platform to preach her preconceived beliefs. There was no sincere humility, always hesitating to speak about her folly in detail. Trying to strip salvation security from believers which is a huge topic that you cannot argue with one verse out of context. If a person want to dismantle this topic, they have to explain verses like Phil. 1:6, 1 John5:13, Rom. 8:35-38
Which she never mentioned. Just too many red flags in her preaching. You can’t change scripture with an experience.
We have to test all things.
Perhaps the Lord lets people see hell to warn others to truly repent?
I have been a believer my whole life. I was born of God at 12 years old. I had no one to disciple me. Consequently, I backslid for many years until the Spirit broke me with bitter corrections. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. HE wanted holiness from the beginning. In Christ, we have the Spirit to guide us into righteousness...never sinfullness. There is no pleasure in sin for the Christian. Temptation is a daily struggle and a vexation. By this we know we are saved... when we hate our own sin nature. Jesus said: "If you love me, you will keep my commandments". When he said that, He wasn't giving us a commandment...He was telling us what it looks like when we actually love Him! If you are living in sin, and it doesn't bother you, you should question your salvation, and fear judgement. But the Lord is gracious and longsuffering towards us who believe. Remember who was justified in the temple? Only the man in back who beat his breast saying 'God have mercy on me a sinner!'. Repent today and take up your cross. There is no amount of misery, or lonliness, or unhappiness in this life that can be compared to the glory set before us! If you kill the flesh for Christ, you WILL inherit eternal life. If you are fighting the good fight, you have nothing to fear. The blood of Christ continues to cleanse you and prepare you for glory. Never give up! "Whoever endures until the end WILL be saved". God help us to love Him more each day.
Amen! Yes, Lord help us to endure to the end!
SALVATION: To clarify the gospel of our salvation: Our gospel that saves us today is to believe that Jesus died on the cross, shedding His blood, was buried and rose from the dead for the forgiveness of our sins. I Cor 15:1-4. That's step one. Step two: We must put our trust in this gospel for the forgiveness of our sins and nothing else, to be saved. It's that simple. Jesus did the work necessary for our salvation. We cannot. Paul puts it this way: Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, True salvation only comes when we believe that Jesus is our ALL SUFFICENT SAVIOR. We cannot add anything to His blood shed and work of salvation on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins. We are not saved by repenting (turning from sin), being baptized in water, walking an aisle, saying a prayer, confessing with your mouth, being “born again”, or following Jesus’ earthly ministry. Those are mostly "works" salvation. We are saved by grace, not works (Rom 11:6), through faith alone, in Christ work on the cross. It is a gift 100%. Rom 3:24 KJV Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Titus 3:5-6, I Cor 15:1-4 Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. He came to save sinners, not people trying to make themselves righteous by doing some kind of good work, getting wet or turning from their sins, they cannot do totally anyway. Simply believe and put your trust in the new gospel Jesus gave to Paul for us today to be saved by. Then start reading Rom - Phil to understand what was written to us the body of Christ, so we could know what God wants from us and who we are in Christ, once we are saved. The books Paul wrote are the only place we find the gospel that saves us today. Then read the rest of your bible that is FOR us but not TO and ABOUT us. 94% of the bible is TO and ABOUT Israel, yes Israel. Don’t steal their mail and try to make it yours. And don’t be fooled by people who tell you, you need to do some good work to be saved or to stay saved or to prove that you are saved. That is not the gospel for us today which is a free gift of GRACE when we believe and trust in what Jesus did on the cross for our sins. Eph 2:8 KJV For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 KJV Not of works, lest any man should boast.
@@lchimenzThank you! That was well articulated.
Shalom ❤️🙏❤️
@@lchimenz God is no respecter of persons. Also, God is the same yesterday, today and forever. HE wanted holiness from the beginning, that has not changed. HE came into the world so that men could be saved from sin and death. We are only saved by Grace, not of any works. But if we are saved, we are changed, born again, and sanctified for holiness. Paul went deep into the theology of salvation, but said the same thing. We must examine ourselves to prove we are in the faith. The priests had to wash in the Laver constantly. The beloved disciple said it best to the church:
"7 Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 8 The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil." Our LORD gave us a simple test to know if we were saved: "If you love me, you will keep my commandments".
Yes, Amen!
20:34 to 20:47 "A demon spirit, a familiar spirit, spoke to my husband before he went to sleep; and this
demon spirit said to him umm, 'Kiss your wife goodnight because it's the last time you're going to see her.' "
23:20 to 23:27 "I immediately was in the spirit; and I know what it's like to be in the spirit because I'm a seer."
Why didn't the husband tell her? Apologies for asking, but is it possible that the demon 'planted' the dream?
I was thinking the same thing, I think she was using a demon to see into the spirit dimension as a “Seer”-she is using demonic forces to go into spirit world. She also never called the name of Jesus during her time in hell.
@@roniyoni2190exactly! I was wondering the same exact thing. Jesus is the ONLY Name that can save yet she didnt mention His Name.
Extremely possible a demon spirit can create visions of people being tortured to strike fear in man. Always worrying about one’s salvation
I would say and her prayer at the end seems insincere I'm just not buying the lose salvation.
She's outright calling God a liar 😮
People can seem so Holy but what their holiness is in is their flesh not with a pure heart.
A pure heart doesn't need to be demonized to believe they simply believe with childlike faith.
Even Jesus said unless ue become like little children ye may not see the kingdom of God.
The kingdom is within.
He who is in us is greater than he who is in the world.
Trust Jesus folks not what man or any other angel might think to trouble you and pervert the Gospel.
🙏💞😊👑
@@roniyoni2190 not true, she called out,.."Jesus have mercy on me" many times while in hell.
Today I learned about presumptuous sin. Today I learned I am guilty of it.
This opened my eyes. Thank you for sharing this.
You either believe that Jesus paid your sin debt in full or you don't.
If He didn't pay for all our sins, then He's an incompetent Savior.
You've got another gospel.
Yes his Grace is sufficient but it's not a license to commit deliberate sin which I am guilty of LORD please help me in this area of my life
So you can do whatever you want and go to heaven? I don't think it says that anywhere in the Holy Scriptures , unless you misconstrued some of Paul's teachings@hogansheroes2793
@@Jesuslovesyou8525 How you live has absolutely nothing to do with salvation at all.
That's a service issue.
Salvation is absolutely free and not conditional upon service to God.
You've got another gospel of faith plus works equals salvation nonsense here 💯%.
@@davidreed6264 No it's not a license to sin.
However, let's be absolutely clear here, grace isn't grace if the possibility of abusing it doesn't exist.
I love this channel and the videos. I am a chrsitian. But honestly after seeing this videos im left confused and have no hope. I do all i can and the bible says that you have to beleive and repent and all this to go to heaven. Then i hear stories like this. I have no idea now.
My thoughts too !
I’m right there with you…😞
I’m with you. It almost seems impossible to make it to heaven.
Yea this testimony really messed with my head, made me feel like it’s impossible to get to heaven. She said she went to hell because of a religious spirit? She wasn’t very clear and I’m left confused
I think we have to be mindful not to put faith in videos & what people say, take warning yes, but remember our faith is still in Jesus. Turn to Him & open the Bible up for answers, cause we'd never feel certain just basing our relationship in what we hear on social medias. The main thing is we have to realize Jesus didn't die for us because we're good. He died for us because we can NEVER be good enough for heaven & He loves us enough to make a way. It's not our works that get us there, its our faith/belief/confession that Jesus is the ONLY way. The accepting that realization; I'm really not good enough, Jesus truly is the only way. Its through Him, we should never think our works are good enough. If we could work our way into heaven, Jesus would not have been necessary. But He is necessary. Accepting that fact is where it's at. I think feeling religious or being religious is the sin. Cause its not religion that saves us, but Jesus only. If we worship religion- we are missing the whole point. Jesus is reality not religion. And He hates sin because sin hates us. Sin brings pain, illness, division from our families etc.. That's why God hates sin, cause it hates us. The people, his creation that he loves SO MUCH & wants us to choose Him.
Don't be afraid fellow believer, just trust in Him & walk close to Him through prayer & reading scripture. (KJV is my fave, its not missing 400 verses like the NIV & others). Jesus is not going to force His presence into your life, our lives, cause we're under free will. But He will gladly accept your invitation. Don't lose hope, that's not coming from God.
I was backslidden in sin for a long time. It pained me, but I felt powerless to stop, and forgot the way back. I finally realized I was a slave to it and it was only going to get worse. I fully surrendered - giving up my life and rights- my motto is “His Grace is sufficient for me” - I realized the rest of my life needs to be 100% sold out to Him. Once my heart changed, I just started obeying every leading from Him to the best of my ability (stumbling and repenting at times), and He gracefully accepted my heart and effort. He’s transforming and renewing me. I am living in hope, and no longer in terror like I did when I was intentionally sinning. I also, after a change of heart, I needed to be delivered from several demons that had latched on to me. Now I’m free 😅❤🎉
How were you delivered from those demons?
God is great!!!
@@saffron4441look into deliverance ministries my friend
That’s why I left a church, I now let Jesus our Great Teacher to teach me! I no longer go to man, but God! He will teach you all truth! And I will not be lead by man, only God! He will show you all things, because I will only be lead by the Holy Spirit! Glory to God!!! All I know the only Good thing in Me, Is JESUS! Other then that there is NO good things in me, I’m a wretched man, always in need of HIS forgiveness and Mercy! My only hope is in Jesus, that through His death I now have life! Thank you for all You have done for me, because I’m NOthing without you!
God tells us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves. There is no perfect church just as you and I are not perfect. Iron sharpens iron
2 Timothy 2:13
“If we are unfaithful he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself.”
Amen
Thanks Julie for allowing this lady to speak for so long. I really needed to hear everything she had to say. It was such a blessing to me.
I agree - one of the most impactful testimonies I have heard in quite a while. Life changing!
Very grateful for the length and the message it brings!
Thank you so much Julie. This is an absolute life changing message. I needed it !
A blessing? It stole my Joy I once had, I don't know what to think about my walk with the Lord, I don't know what to think or feel anymore. Jesus please help me.
I would be very carful with these testimonies, you have to let the Holy Spirit Lead you. We need discernment in this hour.
If the Bible says one thing and this lady says something else, then who’s right? I’ve watched NDE videos before and they typically have a pattern which seems believable, but this one I question. Here’s why:
1. There’s a lot of ME (self) in this video, what I mean is “let me tell you how spiritual I am”, or “My husband has the gift of healing” or “I’m a Seer” or “I’ve been to Heaven” or “I’ve been in the Spirit”. I didn’t detect an ounce of humility in this woman’s testimony. In fact, if anything there’s 20 minutes of her hellish experience, and the rest of the time is her trying to convince me that she’s imminently qualified to make this video, and then telling me what I’m doing wrong in my Christian life.
2. This woman is more than likely a charismatic and charismatics have certain earmarks which identify them. Two of these earmarks stick out like sore thumbs in her testimony. First, Charismatics put prophecies and extra-biblical leadings on the same level as the written word of God. Second, they seek to be mystical and are not practical. To further explain, Charismatics are constantly having experiences, interpreting numbers, sequences, dreams, and visions in their lives and spiritualizing everything. This begins to take the place of scripture, soon after that every time you contract a common cold it’s God’s judgment, when it’s really not, it’s just an ongoing by-product of the fall of man from long, long ago.
3. Several times in this video my scripture alarm went off and I thought, “wait a minute, that’s not what the Bible says”. For example, when she talked about wanting the power of the spirit as a young woman at the 8-minute mark in the video, I immediately thought of Simon in Acts 8:9-21. Simon was born again, but he wanted power so badly he thought it could be purchased with money. He was wrong. Or at the 18-minute mark when she said “I went to hell as a born-again Christian”, well, either she’s wrong or the Bible is wrong. The Bible says in John 3:3-7, John 3:16, I Peter 1:23 that being born again is just that, being re-born into the family of God. At the 18:20 minute mark she states “A leader in the church” which flies in the face of I Timothy 2:12, at the 18:38 minute mark, I thought of Romans 3:10 and Isaiah 64:6.
I’ll need to close here because if I don’t, I’ll be here all-night typing, but I’ll conclude with these thoughts. There is one thing that I find missing from this woman’s testimony, JESUS! When she decided she needed the power, was Jesus anywhere in there? At the 1:08 minute mark she states “if you remember in the Bible the fivefold ministry Apostles, prophets,’ evangelists,’ pastors and teachers the five-fold ministry is there for the building up and the edification of the Saints it was never to be elevated it's the foundation of Christianity” Sorry, but the foundation is Jesus, Matthew 7:24, I Peter 2:7, not tongues, not prophecy, not healing, not pastors, not the Holy Spirit not anything except Jesus. He’s the way, the truth and the life, (John 14:6) and without him we are lost.
She also is implying and saying that you need to DO certain things to not go to hell.
A truly saved person won't go to hell. They are forgiven of ALL sins, past, present and future.
I don't believe her.
I will pray for her.
@@tomgrant158 notice her eyes as well looks up to the right a lot sign of lying and looking down to the left a sign of internal conversation such as rehearsing lines . Other people smile and calmly tell their story .
@@tomgrant158 totally agree w you. She either made it up or dreamed it. Her statements are so so self righteous and judgemental.
@@tomgrant158 I agree with you this testimony seems fishy
These hell testimonies convict me and I need them. I am not a 100% for the Lord and I know it. I believe in him, I agree with his character, I walk with him in part but not a 100% as I ought to. The straight and narrow path is a serious thing, Jesus said few will be chosen, this is serious. God will not be mocked, I have to listen to my conscious 100% of the time and hold close to our Father in heaven.
Its good that you have that fear, keep working out your salvation with fear and trembling, take time each day to just be still in your thoughts with God, you are on the right path, and keep all of the Lords commandments and whatever certain sins are haunting you ask the Lords forgiveness each time you offend the Spirit and after time hating your sin and being serious with God ,well God willing you will overcome, strive to enter in..
Amen 🙏
Make the change! We all need to draw near. Our time is short!
2 Timothy 1:7 KJVS
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
🙏 Amen
Not everyone gets delivered from strongholds instantly. I’ve struggled with overeating for years as a coping mechanism from childhood trauma.
Exactly, it’s a process
It took years for me to be ready for deliverance from addictions. Once I was ready, God brought the right people in my life to lead me in deliverance. I no longer have addiction to lust, alcohol, and marijuana. I surrender to the Lord and command tempting spirits to leave whenever they come around. I’m FREE, and no longer living in these willful sins
@@charleshawes2316 ❤️🙏
@@charleshawes2316 praise God, so grateful you have been set free.
@@charleshawes2316 Amen Brother
i have been a Christian all of my life and walked with the Lord....most of the videos on here are very fear-based. Only by the Blood of Jesus do we experience salvation and that becomes the joy of our salvation. I constantly hear Christians on here that go to hell because they did a certain thing they did. Every time I hear these stories it seems to bring no hope for me and it seems we are all doomed.
Read the Bible and trust our Lord, please!
It’s amazing how many of these people believe these messages of condemnation.
Just don't be 'done' with your salvation. Keep Going! Re-affirm and repent every day. Look to and read the ancient church Fathers that predate the Roman Catholic church, John Calvin and Martin Luther. See what they went through as the Romans hunted them down and were nonetheless able to retain their faith. See how they lived the faith. Our challenge in this day is different but no less challenging. We must avoid complacency, apostacy and pride, when every aspect of our culture is telling us that this is all nonsense and just do what you want. Good luck and God bless! I suggest investigating the Jesus Prayer and its origins. She is saying it throughout this video and doesn't realize it. Find out just how far back that prayer goes.
They ARE and came of this channel!
@@andreabiro2357You read it and surrender and walk with the Lord!
Interesting. A lot is said but I guess the takeaway is not to practice a works-based righteousness and become Pharesitical in your thinking. Religious customs and practices can replace the gospel, and strip away humility. 2 Timothy 3:5- It's a form of godliness that denies the power thereof. From such turn away.
It would be nice if she gave examples.
@@jenniferweir4335 She did.
If the Bible says one thing and this lady says something else, then who’s right? I’ve watched NDE videos before and they typically have a pattern which seems believable, but this one I question. Here’s why:
1. There’s a lot of ME (self) in this video, what I mean is “let me tell you how spiritual I am”, or “My husband has the gift of healing” or “I’m a Seer” or “I’ve been to Heaven” or “I’ve been in the Spirit”. I didn’t detect an ounce of humility in this woman’s testimony. In fact, if anything there’s 20 minutes of her hellish experience, and the rest of the time is her trying to convince me that she’s imminently qualified to make this video, and then telling me what I’m doing wrong in my Christian life.
2. This woman is more than likely a charismatic and charismatics have certain earmarks which identify them. Two of these earmarks stick out like sore thumbs in her testimony. First, Charismatics put prophecies and extra-biblical leadings on the same level as the written word of God. Second, they seek to be mystical and are not practical. To further explain, Charismatics are constantly having experiences, interpreting numbers, sequences, dreams, and visions in their lives and spiritualizing everything. This begins to take the place of scripture, soon after that every time you contract a common cold it’s God’s judgment, when it’s really not, it’s just an ongoing by-product of the fall of man from long, long ago.
3. Several times in this video my scripture alarm went off and I thought, “wait a minute, that’s not what the Bible says”. For example, when she talked about wanting the power of the spirit as a young woman at the 8-minute mark in the video, I immediately thought of Simon in Acts 8:9-21. Simon was born again, but he wanted power so badly he thought it could be purchased with money. He was wrong. Or at the 18-minute mark when she said “I went to hell as a born-again Christian”, well, either she’s wrong or the Bible is wrong. The Bible says in John 3:3-7, John 3:16, I Peter 1:23 that being born again is just that, being re-born into the family of God. At the 18:20 minute mark she states “A leader in the church” which flies in the face of I Timothy 2:12, at the 18:38 minute mark, I thought of Romans 3:10 and Isaiah 64:6.
I’ll need to close here because if I don’t, I’ll be here all-night typing, but I’ll conclude with these thoughts. There is one thing that I find missing from this woman’s testimony, JESUS! When she decided she needed the power, was Jesus anywhere in there? At the 1:08 minute mark she states “if you remember in the Bible the fivefold ministry Apostles, prophets,’ evangelists,’ pastors and teachers the five-fold ministry is there for the building up and the edification of the Saints it was never to be elevated it's the foundation of Christianity” Sorry, but the foundation is Jesus, Matthew 7:24, I Peter 2:7, not tongues, not prophecy, not healing, not pastors, not the Holy Spirit not anything except Jesus. He’s the way, the truth and the life, (John 14:6) and without him we are lost.
DearJulie , I joined your platform due to some genuine testimonies. But please discernment screening is important or else the purpose of your platform will do the opposite of what God wants🙏🏽. People are supposed to be drawn to Jesus forsaking all and abiding in His finished work , worshipping in spirit and in truth. The level of confusion oozing from this video is alarming. Hopelessness is all many are feeling. Remember that the enemy can only deceive one with lies mix with a bit of truth. This testimony wants to dilute the Good news gospel. God doesn’t want us to walk on egg shells around Him. He wants us to believe,surrender and obey as His workmanship , demonstrating His finished work here on earth for His glory. Our works can neverrrrr amount to the price He did on the cross. We love Him because He first loved us.
What loving human parent wants their child to walk on egg shells. Even us wicked humans have the capability to love our children when they stumble and fall, and we help them up again. Then what makes us think our Loving Heavenly Father’s love can’t do exceedingly and abundantly comparable to none. Yes He has a wrathful side but His Love compels us to submission to Him and not fear.
I cover this comment with the blood of Jesus 🙏🏽
Amen to this wonderful comment. This video is just not it!!
@CODA834this is really unfortunate to hear:/
@amandaowusu2405 yeah I felt something off with this one. While there were quite a few truths sprinkled in there, the main message is a performance based dogmatic works based salvation message.
It's not about us striving to be better, it's about us resting in Him and letting Holy Spirit live through us. When we stop striving to overcome sin in our own power under the flesh and yield to the Holy Spirit, that is when change begins to happen.
I was stuck in that mindset for 6 years striving to live the Christian live until Jesus revealed the truth of resting in Him to me 8 months ago and set me free. I have never been the same.
@@alright272 spot on!! Hallelujah for the beautiful gift of the Holy Spirit. God bless you 🙏🏽
The eggshells are sin (or veering away from God). Following Gods will is loving him
It’s really important NOT to take your doctrine and beliefs from RUclips Videos, and especially from ones based on « prophetic « experiences. The Bible is our anchor, not the interpretation of an experience that God (or even the devil) gave someone.
There are some real problems with this testimony.
1) The fruit it is producing is fear and insecurity and doubt about people’s salvation and relationship with God.
2) She has been given a personal experience to address sins in her life that she hasn’t told us. She has been very coy about it. The most she has said is that the church came under the influence of demons and she was told to leave. She hasn’t told us what these were.
3) Gods message to her (IF this is from God - see next point) is personal to her and doesn’t apply to everyone else necessarily. God didn’t tell her to warn the church. A lot of this is her interpretation of scripture and her understanding of sin and grace. We need to go back to proper teaching for that not listen to one woman’s interpretation of an experience - which might only highlight parts of the truth out of balance, and hence become erroneous as core belief.
4) I am super suspicious of the origin of this experience. The devil can give prophets experiences as well. What I find odd is that a demon spoke to her husband before hand. This suggests that the whole thing was the work of demons, not of the Holy Spirit. Or do we believe that the Holy Spirit tipped the demons off before to say lol what I’m going to do? Does God work in partnership with the demons???
5) Doctrinally what she is saying is that if you struggle with any sin and that you somehow commit that sin knowing it’s wrong but believe that God will
forgive you, you are going to hell.
The Bible says « if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins » Heb 10 v 26.
The word here is « willfully » which means deliberately, insistently, continually and stubbornly do what you know is wrong by a repeated act of the will.
But John 1 v 5 - 2 v 2 states that if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness »
This is the normal state of grace in the Christian walk. The Hebrews verse is the exception for when a person egregiously tramples over God and His sacrifice and deliberately seeks and commits sin willfully. Note that Paul warned the church about this but did not suggest that it applied to almost everyone in the church that he was addressing.
This woman does not have a sound grasp of grace and salvation, she is exaggerating certain aspects of truth.
But go read your OWN Bible and let God speak to your heart.
I also had a vision of hell
I saw souls falling through the roof of a cave, like a continuous flow of a waterfall. I was kneeling in front of a creature with horns like a longhorn steer. He stuck the pointed horns in the sides of my neck and lifted me up. I felted the worst pain that you can imagine. Then I woke up. I believe this was a warning not to fall away , back into sin. Hell is a very real place. Make sure of your salvation. I wouldn't want my worst enemy to go there. It's the worst place you can imagine. Make sure of your salvation., and walk the straight and narrow road. You can't get out of hell.
How can u make sure of ur salvation
@@stefaniakonstantinidou981 Romans 10:9 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
@@stefaniakonstantinidou981 so I was wrong about that, that verse is taken out of context and I took it out of context too, please do not listen to me about that and just keep repenting and believing in the gospel
Yet, you see these things and even though God created us KNOWING the outcome, AND God has unconditional love for His creation, AND He commands us to love and forgive our enemies, God will NOT do the very same thing He commands us to do and send MOST of His creation to some eternal torment? Really? Do you honestly believe that OR have you not thought about what you are saying? Maybe you are following religious doctrine without thinking or researching? God didn't create us just so He can have the satisfaction of torturing us. At least I would hope not! Right?
@@Total_Body_Fitness_USA I agree
What an incredible testimony. I choose forgiveness for my wrong choices and pleaded The blood of Jesus Christ in His Mercy.
I DONT want to go to Hell, I DONT want my loved ones to either
I agree 100%. Jesus help us. We don't want to go to that awful place. Ever and please save our loved ones and as many others as possible. Amen
Please pray for your loved ones. Pray that God show them the importance and place of his blood, mercy, humility, forgiveness, etc.
My last comment. I live in Mexico. I don’t have a church here. Other than the Catholic Church. But Jesus is here in my heart and mind on a daily hourly basis. Jesus is coming!
Discover Church Online with Pastor Steve Ciccolanti I hear is good church
The Catholic Church is the original church founded by Jesus Christ. Be glad you have that church go learn the catechism there, so you know what treasure you have there in that church. Jesus Christ lives there for us in the holy Eucharist. You will not find him in any other church.
@@zsrz4877100% agree. The Catholic Faith is perfect and a gift from God. God bless those who don’t fear proclaiming the faith.
The Catholic Church is were the humble pray. Pray the Rosary if the priests seem off. Find a priest that believes in the power of the Rosary and you won’t find a better church. Don’t believe in a the born again talk. Because it’s all feelings based.
Jesus is in your heart but also present in the Eucharist, should be lots of traditional Catholic Churches in Mexico :)
I,ve been thinking that too. Not once saved always saved. God does have grace in our weaknesses but once we,ve been freed there are deeper concequences for it when we return to sin. while we are here we,,d should follow him with all our hearts.
Stick with the Word of God folks - if you follow experiences it will drive you crazy.
This is why many of us who have had these experiences will not share them because the people who are so called believers don’t even believe in the word themselves folk read it like it’s just another book with a great story. These encounters with Jesus will literally scare the hell out of you! And you really don’t understand how wicked the world is and how much you sin daily when you understand you can die at any moment you will realize how serious being saved by Jesus is and we are called to be holy. Being Lukewarm will send you straight to hell.🙏🏾
We are to trust in God and His Holy Word, not the experiential, anecdotal word of man.
Scares the heck out of you yes.
@dusttodust1522, that’s right. The word of God is the only authority on the matter. I mean….if it wasn’t for the word we wouldn’t even be talking about this. None of us would even be saved.
@@krucifixproductions What did we learn or profit?
I listened for a long time, and maybe perhaps I missed it, but I have an honest hearted question: For what reason was Pat sent to hell? I think that all of us could learn from that revelation, but I never heard it from her. It seemed like Pat was withholding that revelation, so that we would continue to listen in anticipation. If it was "presumptuous sin," what kind of presumptuous sin? Otherwise, it may have been of little profit for us to hear her testimony.
She said a demon spoke to her husband and told him to kiss her goodbye. It sounds like this was a demonic experience in which satan tried to take her spirit to hell or caused her soul and body to experience torments of hell. It seems the fruit that this testimony is reaping is the questioning and doubt of one's salvation through the sacrifice of Christ. I along with hundreds of others are thinking: If she was walking with the Lord, loved Him, was serving in ministry, endeavoring to earnestly obey the Lord and was a shepherd to His sheep, even with erring leadership of their church, of which they were aware and trying to navigate the right way forward, how can we also retain our salvation? It generates hopelessness and confusion. Where does she ever clarify what sin was damning her to Hell?
She did. She said it was because of a works based salvation.
Yes good point…you know.. the Holy Spirit was trying to tell me not to watch this yesterday, I unfortunately ignored it, now this is going to bother me for a couple weeks….thanks lady lol
I could hear in her voice something was off. I also listened to the whole message. Felt a little manipulative , But just really couldn’t put my finger on it. The testimony turned into preaching. Julia’s face at the end 🤣 She is falling asleep.!!
Not doing what God told her to do
So she was doing a work for the Lord but it wasn't what HE WANTED HER TO DO??? Doesn't the WORD OF GOD tell us what to do? That's Him speaking....through his word. I heard a preacher say the same thing. He preached served, took orphaned children in but had a NDE and was sent to hell for doing a work for the Lord. Scripture ( which is God's word ) TELLS US to care for the widows and orphans, the poor etc... How is this not following what he said WHEN HE SAYS IT... IF IS WRITTEN.
Salvation is not only forgiveness from sin but deliverance from the sin. Salvation =forgiveness plus deliverance. When you do not do and do not enjoy doing the sin, that is deliverance.
She's Speaking the truth We Christians need to humble ourselves And asks For forgiveness, Pat thank you for sharing your testimony, I'm repenting straight away for all my sins Thank you lord jesus forgiving me amen.
"Beware these two thoughts, and fear them. The first suggests 'You are a saint;' the other, 'You will not be saved.' Both come from the enemy, and there is no truth in them. Instead, think to yourself, 'I am a great sinner, but the Lord is merciful. He loves man with a great love, and will forgive me my sins." -Saint Silouan
Yup Sinner saved by the blood of the lamb❗❤
... Those two that you are a saint and you are saved are scriptures of God to be truth. You need to read the Bible before you say it comes from satan! Unbelievable....
AMEN
Absolutely nobody has ever been saved by loving God.
We are saved because He first loved us and gave Himself for us.
You either believe that Jesus paid your sin debt in full or you don't.
Everything else is for service not salvation.
Salvation is absolutely free and not conditional upon service to God.
@@dawntaylor3972if only more knew that ment RA Amun, a prayer to RA.
Keep back your servant from presumptuous sin, let it not have dominion over me. Then will I be upright and innocent from grave transgression. Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your eyes., Oh Lord.
what psalm is that?
Wasn't that written before he was crucified?
20:40 : “a demon spirit told my husband to kiss your wife good night because this is the last time you’ll see her.”
18:16 : “I was a born again Christian and went to hell”
36:52 “(ad lib) that’s what it means to be born again, to have Godly repentance and sorrow. I never had that before this experience.”
Seems like a) this was demonic, b) she was a born again Christian, and c) she wasn’t a born again Christian.
The Bible says godly sorrow leads to repentance and repentance leads to salvation.
Lots of fishy smells in this “testimony”. She contradicts herself a lot.
I confirm what she is saying because God taught me on that line. And I experienced it myself when I first came to the Lord I wasnt converted though I prayed the "sinner's prayer", it was afterwards when the Holy-Spirit did His work in my heart. Then the new birth wasnt at that time, because I wasnt changed I couldnt help sinning. But after seeking the Lord diligently after 13 yrs I got born-again and immediately the Holy Spirit took over and He started doing His work of sanctification. He brought me through repentance for many years because it is a process. So if u think you are born-again you should check yr life. If you are sinning helplessly it means you r not yet born-again.
Correct❤
God knows the heart…only He can judge. It’s not our job to determine if someone is saved or not. Thst is between them and God
@@Howielate24 why do u think there are prophets? And why God allows some people to visit hell or heaven? God never does anything for nothing. It is to bring us to the knowledge of truth, so that we dnt land in hell after death. So we need to take heed. That thing abt "judging" is only an excuse not to open ones eyes and start taking spiritual things seriously. When one is truely a prophet, he/she needs to point out the truth, to correct and to teach.
One cannot be un-reborn
@@DavidNeal-mf9ky it means the person hasnt been born-again. No question of un-reborn. Either you are born-again or not.
The righteous do not go to hell because the righteousness is from the sacrifice of Jesus, which means the right standing with God
My thoughts exactly. Plus, how did she not truly repent of her sins when she says she was born again? I'm so confused that she is only "truly" repenting after she presumably had this experience. And she's "a seer"? I think she may be somewhat into the new age stuff without even knowing it.
Some people attribute things to the Holy Spirit when it's another spirit entirely. I don't think I'll watch much more of this. I'm getting a really negative feeling. I don't believe everything I hear. And I'm guessing she has written a book about this. Just a hunch.
I disagree. God gave me Revelations chapters 1 & 2 to minister on this morning and when i heard her testimony, it was confirmation. The point is cultivate a CLOSE relationship w/the Lord and dont let other things cloud your focus.
@@Pack.LeaderI have listened to the whole thing and no, no book mentioned.
God wanted her to warn people because he's coming sooner than you think.
@@Pack.LeaderShe's absolutely telling the truth. She almost told my entire experience. I did not experience the burning or flame, but much of what she said, I experienced. I knew exactly 💯 percent what she was talking about.
I can't really express how desperately we need this testimony told globally. Many won't listen because it's so long and people have short attention span these days, but those who will...nobody can tell me it won't open eyes and hearts to God's presence.
YES❤
Jesus is on it, don’t you worry! Ezekiel 34, Jesus rescues His people, and everyone is being offered salvation directly by Jesus.
Many won’t accept it, we’ve been informed of that in scripture, but many will. Rev 7 shows that the number of people who will be led to the living waters is too large to count.
We are also told that the best thing we can do is to be, when the Lord returns, found doing good. It doesn’t mean we are responsible for the salvation of anyone but ourselves.
With that said, as we go around doing good, it will influence those around us, and as we hear the Lord, He will show us good things to do and say (if we aren’t already aware).
Trust Him. Believe Him. Don’t worry. He’s got everything in His hands, and His plans and ways are perfect.
Jesus doesn’t make mistakes, He doesn’t neglect anyone… not a single soul. 🙏🙏🙏
I am VERY skeptical of this. This is NOT the experience I had with Jesus. She really needs to be MORE SPECIFIC with WHAT EXACT sin/sins she's speaking of. What false doctrines EXACTLY? Pretty vague for such damnation and interpretation can be vast. Specifics!!! My discernment red flags go off with this one. Perhaps a part 2 with elaborations of why EXACTLY people were in hell and what EXACT false doctrines are?
Wait a minute, wait a minute…How is it that this woman just gave a 2-hour testimony and NEVER once mentioned Jesus Christ the savior? Something here is not right, Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6. How can you talk about salvation without the savior? Where is he in this whole dissertation?
I will piggyback off this with my comment above.
Thé fruit of this is fear of hell in Christians, lack of peace and hope and distance towards God. It seems to lock us up into religious fear
Amen. One cannot lose it.
I am so guilty of a presumptuous sin. I know exactly what it is. God has convicted me of it many times. I slander, when God says “slander NO ONE.” Even if it is true. Our president, evil people, preachers who preach false doctrine, etc. “God rescue me from this body of death! I know through Jesus Christ He can!” Please pray for me.
See my community post for what He showed me about it
I thought slander was saying things that aren't true to defame people. Judging righteous judgment is calling things or people out that we know to be wrong. Are you sure you aren't caught up in scrupulousity?
@@saintejeannedarc9460 I'm sure. Google gossip. Can be true things
@@saintejeannedarc9460 I agree with you that we are to Judge the Church as spoken in 1 Cor. 5. My problem is that I would interject when somebody was gossiping. Much to my shame.
What was Pat's presumptuous sin? If no one can explain, how can we learn?
I listened for a long time, and maybe perhaps I missed it, but I have an honest hearted question: For what reason was Pat sent to hell? I think that all of us could learn from that revelation, but I never heard it from her. It seemed like Pat was withholding that revelation, so that we would continue to listen in anticipation. If it was "presumptuous sin," what kind of presumptuous sin? Otherwise, it may have been of little profit for us to hear her testimony.
As soon as Pat got into her testimony, I thought of Rev 2 where Jesus speaks of the loveless church of Ephesus. They were busy doing church works and mounting up rewards in heaven, BUT, turned from God. I have heard profits constantly remind us that everything revolves around Jesus. Spend time with him doing RPGS...Read the Bible, Pray, Go to church and Share the Gospel. Simple. Awesome testimony Julie..
One of The EXAMPLES Of GETTING CAUGHT UP SERVING SELF.
That is not true, Once you truly believe on Jesus as your Savior you are Saved.... You can't loose it "Otherwise you are saying that only your Works Save you and not the Grace of God!" Are you saying Jesus has to die more than once? This is the lie of the devil and these videos are not in accordance with The Bible! Not Once does Jesus say someone can go to Hell and then come back because as the Bible Says about the Rich Man "Once in this place there is a great Division and no one can cross through or to or beyond!" So we know all of these videos are lies against the Bible, Yet Non-Believers do not turn to the Bible they claim how Righteous they are and why if you aren't as Righteous as them, you will go to Hell! Just like the Pharisees.... But I say, Listen to the Truth of the Thief on the Cross! Anyone coming on here saying you will go to Hell that goes against the Bible "For God So Loved the World, That He Gave His only Begotten World, that Whoever Believes on Him Shall Not Perish, but Have Everlasting Life!" Sure these people can say the Lord said this to me, or I had this experience, etc (We can turn to the Bible to show these Experiences are not True!) We can know that everyone coming here on RUclips saying oh, look she shared a Story and (They all sound the same!) and If she was really a Born Again Christian (A Lie!) Then she would not be going against the Truth of The Bible!
Sure it all sounds good, but She has not been to Hell, and neither has anyone on RUclips claiming this because as The Bible Tells us that once in this place there is no Coming Back! As a great Divide exists! Stop listening to these lies and coming on here with your comments of your own self-righteousness! Stop Praising these lies and thinking this is what the Bible Teaches! It does NOT!!!!!!!!!! Once you have Jesus you have Jesus! Period!
@@dublindog8038All of that my friend and you are still in the darkness. Read and study the whole Bible as your eternal salvation is at stake. OSAS is a LIE that sends Christians to hell!
Same here Michael. Rev 2 and Jesus' terrifying warning to the Ephesian church that if they didn't return to their first love and do the works they did at first He would remove their lamp stand from its place. That's serious! And this church looked like they were on fire for God. Oswald Chambers (I think) said " when knowledge of doctrine outsteps intimate knowledge of Jesus Christ, the soul is in danger."
I have read and studied the Bible and I know the Truth as I pray about people who make comments like you do, who tend to act like you are above sinners, and what does God do? Well He always points to Scripture about the Pharisees, the Thief on the Cross, and these Verses "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God, For the Wages of Sin are Death but the Gift of God is Eternal Through Jesus Christ our Lord!" "It is not of Works that we are Saved but by the Grace of God, Lest any man should boast (all of you saying that OSAS is false is lying against this verse!"
"For God so Loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son, that Whoever believes on him shall not Perish but have Everlasting life!" So you are now calling this verse a falsehood according to your own view? So someone goes to hell against the very message of this verse when they believe on Jesus? Are you saying you are Above God's Word?
No, I know what you are saying, you are accepting the lie that this lady went to Hell and Came back and using emotion you want to go Against the Living Word just like this lady is doing for Views and Money!
Is that what you really mean?
I was absolutely glued to this testimony, truth and encouragement! This was powerful!
Does anyone have any hope? It’s like nothing is ever good enough for God…..if we confess Him as Lord yet we can still go to hell? It’s things like this that rob me of the joy of following God, it just terrifies me and makes me serve God with just fear of judgment
Many viewers are saying the same thing. All I felt was fear and no hope. Then I realised that God hasn’t given us the spirit of fear, but if power and sound mind. To me this woman’s testimony has some red flags. Some parts didn’t bear witness within my spirit. As long as you have an intimate relationship with God, you are good. God knows that we are not good enough and that’s why He sent His only son, to die for us. So all we have to do is submit to Jesus. In Him there is no condemnation but peace and love ❤
@@amandaowusu2405 True, He hasn't given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind, but! She's basically warning us to not sin willfully, presumptuously. To think we can sin and think it's no big deal, or make excuses, because Jesus died for our sins. That's the thing. She quotes the end of Psalm 19 which specifically talks about presumptuous/willful sins. Just make sure you're keeping short accounts with God. Every day, ask Him to reveal any sins you need to confess and repent from.
@@gardengrrlWendy yes definitely, Im not disregarding her whole experience, some parts are true, my problem is that this testimony does not turn you to Jesus it rather gives uncertainty about salvation allowing people to question the Good news. A true believer will not think sin is not a big deal!!.
This fear being created can push people back to be comfortable with their sins due to hopelessness . The bible wants us to be confident about our place in heaven. And every true believer worshipping in spirit and in truth have that confidence and assurance.
Repentance comes with submitting to Jesus in spirit and in truth. Walking with the Lord in obedience as the Holy Spirit works in us. If you humanly walk in checking sins you will be overwhelmed and eventually backslide. Thats like the Pharisees trying to observe the law and none could fulfill all of it. Walking with the Holy Spirit will check and convict you automatically and that’s when obedience comes in. Walk with Jesus and He will create in you a clean heart and purify us. All we have to do is Obey and say yes to Him daily. Which means repenting daily. Rest in Him and don’t walk on egg shell with Him, that’s not what He wants.
A profession is different from a confession. Maybe this lady did the former and just though he did the latter. Judging from the fact that she is claiming the righteous can inherit the kingdom of darkness, I would say she had a profession not a confession. She may think she is spiritually regenerated, but she is only emotionally and logically converted. The scriptures testify against her:
*Ezekiel 33:18-19*
_18 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and does evil, they will die for it. 19 And if a wicked person turns away from their wickedness and does what is just and right, they will live by doing so._
God is looking at our summiting to him. He wants us to put our faith in him. Not our works. We don't do good deeds to get brownie points from God but have a relationship with him and being obedience to his word.
Though I love these testimonies, I’m feeling like many of you, a bit shaken… I don’t believe it’s God’s will that we would walk on eggshells or in fear.
We are to be full of confidence and bold. What kind of testimony would we have for people if we feared for our salvation after receiving Yeshua? What good news? We must rest in and know we are covered by the blood and saved from all our sins- not most or some of them.
At the end of the day, we don’t know what it was on the inside of anyone else, but we have to steward our own hearts. I don’t know why she experienced what she experienced. But I do know that we need to seek the scriptures and keep our eyes on him. We mustn’t be casual with sin, and or indifferent about compromise in ourselves and hearts. We are in a war, and we must remain in the battle….
We are not perfect and we’re going to mess up sometimes, but God is good and he loves us and he also said he would not let anyone snatch us from the father’s hand.
Though these testimonies are sincere, they are not scripture. There are many testimonies out there of people who aren’t even believers who experience “heaven”, etc. and I’m sure we would all not pay too much attention to testimonies if they contradict what we know is true.
If these testimonies wake us up and sober us up and draw us nearer to him, then I think it’s great, but if it causes us to shut down and doubt God, then we must rebuke that and be careful about how we view these videos. Doubting God is what got us to bite from the fruit in the first place.
We must stay close with one another and keep our eyes on him.
Much love to you all.
These types of testimonials make me feel the same way. I come before the Lord and try to examine myself and see where I am with Him. I know I screw up. But I also know I condemn myself when I shouldn't, and the devil is the accuser. So if you believe in these supernatural stories, which I do, have you had people pray over you and give any message of encouragement from God? Because every so often when I have had those kinds of words, they spoke of God loving me and being pleased with me. I think I need to hear that because if I didn't, Id be a mess.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
@@King_Conan getting prayer is fine but we have to believe scripture. So if scripture says there is no condemnation in messiah Yeshua - then that means if we feel any condemnation we should cut through it by speaking the truth to the lie. This is a powerful practice kind of like what Yeshua did to Satans lies in the temptations
Exactly. Osas is the truth and many people are deceived by video's like this that push a false works based me centered false gospel. Then it becomes all about trying to earn your way to Heaven based off what you do or don't do and gets the focus of what Jesus did on the cross. We are sealed with The Holy Spirit untill The Day of Redemption and we can add nothing to Salvation faith alone in Christ alone period is it.
@Shreybz So well said. Thank you.
Firstly, I am only 30 mins in so I’m not sure how his ends but here are my thoughts - I’ve heard hundreds of NDE’s where people, who were less than perfect on earth, ended up in heaven. But here, a near perfect Christian ended up in hell. As I was listening, I started to think ‘what is the point?’ - ‘what is the point in believing in such an evil God that would allow this to happen to people who essentially just hadn’t been able to figure out the finer minutia points of what god expects of you?’ ‘He created you and your flaws and knew in advance you wouldn’t get it right and therefore was comfortable overseeing your condemnation to hell forever with no chance of redemption?’ Then the logic of this took my thoughts here ‘Ok, I’ll never ever live up to these standards so perhaps I’m better off aligning myself with the bad guy in the hope that I might be spared the worst’ which then led me to think that this experience was in fact the work of the devil and not God. God would never allow an experience to occur that might lead people to the devil and He would not want people led to him through fear rather than love. This experience was the work of the devil.
This video doesn't sit with my spirit. We are only righteous thru Christ. If she's holy as she says, I don't see how even Moses is in heaven.
My subjective reaction, and I prayed for discernment, is that it’s good to warn against presumptuous sin, but I find no love or hope in this testimony. It seems not so much of God. Otherpeople got a lot out of it, but it filled me with fear and dread - not peace, love, or faith.
@@charleshawes2316 I agree with you. I try hard not to bend things to my will as frankly, I am a terrible Christian so it’s tempting to figure out ways to explain this away otherwise there really is no way but down for me. But I can’t help but feel a healthy fear of God is ok, but He wouldnt terrorise us into unattainable perfection. He may well allow the devil though to steer us in the wrong direction in order to test our faith and the woman mentioned that a demon whispered something to her husband just before this experience. I would also argue that a lot of ‘good’ NDEs are also the work of the devil. The ones which say we can do no wrong on earth and it’s just a classroom - negating personal responsibility and the concept of sin. To be honest, the more I know, the less I know how this all works!!
If the Bible says one thing and this lady says something else, then who’s right? I’ve watched NDE videos before and they typically have a pattern which seems believable, but this one I question. Here’s why:
1. There’s a lot of ME (self) in this video, what I mean is “let me tell you how spiritual I am”, or “My husband has the gift of healing” or “I’m a Seer” or “I’ve been to Heaven” or “I’ve been in the Spirit”. I didn’t detect an ounce of humility in this woman’s testimony. In fact, if anything there’s 20 minutes of her hellish experience, and the rest of the time is her trying to convince me that she’s imminently qualified to make this video, and then telling me what I’m doing wrong in my Christian life.
2. This woman is more than likely a charismatic and charismatics have certain earmarks which identify them. Two of these earmarks stick out like sore thumbs in her testimony. First, Charismatics put prophecies and extra-biblical leadings on the same level as the written word of God. Second, they seek to be mystical and are not practical. To further explain, Charismatics are constantly having experiences, interpreting numbers, sequences, dreams, and visions in their lives and spiritualizing everything. This begins to take the place of scripture, soon after that every time you contract a common cold it’s God’s judgment, when it’s really not, it’s just an ongoing by-product of the fall of man from long, long ago.
3. Several times in this video my scripture alarm went off and I thought, “wait a minute, that’s not what the Bible says”. For example, when she talked about wanting the power of the spirit as a young woman at the 8-minute mark in the video, I immediately thought of Simon in Acts 8:9-21. Simon was born again, but he wanted power so badly he thought it could be purchased with money. He was wrong. Or at the 18-minute mark when she said “I went to hell as a born-again Christian”, well, either she’s wrong or the Bible is wrong. The Bible says in John 3:3-7, John 3:16, I Peter 1:23 that being born again is just that, being re-born into the family of God. At the 18:20 minute mark she states “A leader in the church” which flies in the face of I Timothy 2:12, at the 18:38 minute mark, I thought of Romans 3:10 and Isaiah 64:6.
I’ll need to close here because if I don’t, I’ll be here all-night typing, but I’ll conclude with these thoughts. There is one thing that I find missing from this woman’s testimony, JESUS! When she decided she needed the power, was Jesus anywhere in there? At the 1:08 minute mark she states “if you remember in the Bible the fivefold ministry Apostles, prophets,’ evangelists,’ pastors and teachers the five-fold ministry is there for the building up and the edification of the Saints it was never to be elevated it's the foundation of Christianity” Sorry, but the foundation is Jesus, Matthew 7:24, I Peter 2:7, not tongues, not prophecy, not healing, not pastors, not the Holy Spirit not anything except Jesus. He’s the way, the truth and the life, (John 14:6) and without him we are lost.
@@tomgrant158 Wow, what an insightful reply - thank you. I wish I had people in my life who knew what they were talking about on this subject as you clearly do. Can I ask what you think of the validity of near death experiences in general? And can you tell me anything that might ease my worry about my agnostic relatives who are nearing the end of their lives?
Thank you for sharing your testimony. Moving forward, take more ownership and accoutability of all sins, i.e. smoking, drinking, etc. This is why you had your experience in God and went to hell. Call out what He delivered you and your husband from. Again, thank you for your testimony.
A lot of tallking about herself almost like pride getting into such detail, There has to be a shorter route to communicate her experience.
Find myself forgetting what the main point is.
I was looking for this comment and glad someone agrees. Sadly there is a lot of pride when it comes to the older generation of Christian’s that operate in the five fold ministry!
And it's NOT a nde!😂
she talked too much
Agree with user-yf6jt2df5o infact she said the word "I" so many times that this is all about her and the credibility for such a testimony is lacking
It’s almost like she didn’t learn anything. I see no humility, still self righteousness. Makes it difficult to continue listening.
A Christian my whole life, at 17, Jesus told me I loved my records more than I loved him, and if I really want to know him, give him my records (burn them). I wanted to be a professional musician, and I said, Lord, that's my whole life, anything but that! I claimed to believe in him, but if I really do, then I had to give him my dream, and trust his will for my life over my own way. I had to die to myself in order to receive his life in me. This is missing in many who call themselves Christian (follower of Christ) but you don't actually follow him. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, I give to them eternal life, they shall never perish and no one can snatch them out of my hand. Listen to his voice and follow him.
What are you doing now?
@nikkiroxx9734 since turning my life over to God, I live each day waiting on him. His yoke is easy and burden light. I worked labor jobs including ranch caretaker and have been learning many things from the Holy Spirit that are preparing me for my place in his eternal kingdom. Eventually, I was given music back by God according to his promise that anything given up for him would be returned a hundred fold. I played music for seniors in retirement communities for many years until covid canceled it all. Now I'm retired myself and only play occasionally. Mostly, I'm looking up because my redemption draws nigh. I'm walking and talking with Jesus and soon will be gone like Enoch when God takes me in the blessed hope, the rapture. After giving up my records I began to be taught by the Holy Spirit, as Peter describes in 2 Peter 1, by obeying, I added to my faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge and the rest of the list of required things which Peter says guarantees one entrance into God's kingdom. But whoever lacks these things, Peter says, is blind, like Laodician church.
@nikkiroxx9734 living each day, walking and talking with Jesus and waiting for the blessed hope, the rapture.
❤🙌🏾🙏🏾
I wanted to dance and I am an artist and play an instrument. Now that I am busy in the Lord. Things that I have put down. God has brought them back again for kingdom use. Praise God. Your musician gift can come back through the way God would have it used. But yes lletting go is what God need us to do first.
2 Timothy 1:7 KJVS
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
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Ever think that leaning on these NDE’s for confirmation or entertainment is an actual sin? “A born again Christian can go to hell” I don’t think so lady. This is just sensationalism.
you are wrong, Satan lost his salvation.
“I will never leave you, nor forsake you “
This what Jesus spoke to me in my vision many years ago. His face appeared in the cloud and he continued by saying..And I will Always Help You. Long story.
The devil is a flat out liar. God didn’t birth us in order to let us be led to hell by a liar. It is ridiculous that believers and lovers of God and truth… think God will throw us angrily away (into an eternal furnace) …like simple garbage.
This was mind-blowing!!! 🤯
The church needs to hit on things like this.
Jesus Christ is Head of The Church, so if we seek Him truly in our heart, we'll find that His Church body does teach all these things the lady speaks of. I pray all reading this will find the fullness of the Faith in His Church, and let go of presumptions on Who He is, and what or where He is. Seek seek seek. Where our treasure is, there our heart will be also. Is our treasure in approval of or receiving from other's, or in God's approval and giving of ourselves fully as He has. Glory to Jesus Christ
Thanks for Pat’s testimony. I’ve served on several churches and if you’re not following the fire and freshness of the spirit they have all ended in a rut, selfish ambition or division. I think maybe 80%-90% of all churches end up losing their anointing and so many Christians overstay due to wrong soul ties and end up serving man and not the Spirit. Thanks again.
So did Jesus not take presumptuous sin to the cross?
It's about repentance, the bible says the deceitfulness of sin hardens the heart.
@@anitan5983 We so need to get away from Works righteousness, His death on the cross destroyed sin's power, and took all the punishment. It really was 'finished' our job is to trust in the finished work and John 17:3.
The more you understand the love and grace of God, the goodness of Trinity God, the more you'll begin to understand Romans 6.
God is our loving Father who as Trinity God dwells in our heart by faith.
You shall Know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free.
It's a relationship, not a religion, Hallelujah, Praise God! Innit!!
His death on the cross paid for all sin. The only sin that is not forgivable the Bible teaches us, is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And that’s when people reject the work of the Holy Spirit in their life, convicting them of their need for salvation they attribute the works of God to the works of Satan.
1 hour in and I'm having to take a break because I'm screaming at my phone? What sins were you committing what were you doing ? What was revealed?
If the Bible says one thing and this lady says something else, then who’s right? I’ve watched NDE videos before and they typically have a pattern which seems believable, but this one I question. Here’s why:
1. There’s a lot of ME (self) in this video, what I mean is “let me tell you how spiritual I am”, or “My husband has the gift of healing” or “I’m a Seer” or “I’ve been to Heaven” or “I’ve been in the Spirit”. I didn’t detect an ounce of humility in this woman’s testimony. In fact, if anything there’s 20 minutes of her hellish experience, and the rest of the time is her trying to convince me that she’s imminently qualified to make this video, and then telling me what I’m doing wrong in my Christian life.
2. This woman is more than likely a charismatic and charismatics have certain earmarks which identify them. Two of these earmarks stick out like sore thumbs in her testimony. First, Charismatics put prophecies and extra-biblical leadings on the same level as the written word of God. Second, they seek to be mystical and are not practical. To further explain, Charismatics are constantly having experiences, interpreting numbers, sequences, dreams, and visions in their lives and spiritualizing everything. This begins to take the place of scripture, soon after that every time you contract a common cold it’s God’s judgment, when it’s really not, it’s just an ongoing by-product of the fall of man from long, long ago.
3. Several times in this video my scripture alarm went off and I thought, “wait a minute, that’s not what the Bible says”. For example, when she talked about wanting the power of the spirit as a young woman at the 8-minute mark in the video, I immediately thought of Simon in Acts 8:9-21. Simon was born again, but he wanted power so badly he thought it could be purchased with money. He was wrong. Or at the 18-minute mark when she said “I went to hell as a born-again Christian”, well, either she’s wrong or the Bible is wrong. The Bible says in John 3:3-7, John 3:16, I Peter 1:23 that being born again is just that, being re-born into the family of God. At the 18:20 minute mark she states “A leader in the church” which flies in the face of I Timothy 2:12, at the 18:38 minute mark, I thought of Romans 3:10 and Isaiah 64:6.
I’ll need to close here because if I don’t, I’ll be here all-night typing, but I’ll conclude with these thoughts. There is one thing that I find missing from this woman’s testimony, JESUS! When she decided she needed the power, was Jesus anywhere in there? At the 1:08 minute mark she states “if you remember in the Bible the fivefold ministry Apostles, prophets,’ evangelists,’ pastors and teachers the five-fold ministry is there for the building up and the edification of the Saints it was never to be elevated it's the foundation of Christianity” Sorry, but the foundation is Jesus, Matthew 7:24, I Peter 2:7, not tongues, not prophecy, not healing, not pastors, not the Holy Spirit not anything except Jesus. He’s the way, the truth and the life, (John 14:6) and without him we are lost.
Exactly
This is confusing. You are telling me every detail of your life and you say you were a born again, Spirit-filled Christian, and then God sent you to hell. Why??? Did you base your salvation on works instead of faith? Is that why you went to hell. Your interview lasts for 2 hours, 9 minutes but I don't hear anything about why you were sent to hell and why you were brought back.
How is it that this woman just gave a 2-hour testimony and NEVER once mentioned Jesus Christ the savior? Something here is not right, Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6. How can you talk about salvation without the savior? Where is he in this whole dissertation? Nowhere...
ephesians 2:8-9 "For by Grace are you saved through Faith, not of yourselves it is the gift of God, not of WORKS so that noone can boast." Nothing you can do can earn you heaven. Thank you God for your Grace!!!
Confess your sins to a priest. That is what the early Church taught and still does. Every non- Catholic Christian denomination (>40,000) has their own interpretation, supposedly all based on the Bible or their interpretation. Look at how Satan is attacking the Catholic church.
amen, no one can be perfect except Jesus ❤
@@stephenmurphy9329 Get a literal translation of the bible, like NASV, read it from cover to cover, asking God's Holy spirit to teach you as you read, and then you won't be a Catholic anymore, if you except the truth.
This gal is really good at telling us how "special" she is. She made this about herself, and not about the Lord, and she talks a lot about all of her "works." Not the best guest you've had on.
Seems like 30 plus years of learning on her part might be of benefit to some who are watching. I thought her experience and teaching on presumptuous sins was aimed directly at me. This could be my final warning.
I found it to be a very sobering message.😮
I agree with the OP@@angusmcpherson, something is far too self-righteous and agenda oriented about “her testimony.” I’m glad you got a lot of truth out of it, but I encourage you not to be so quick to attribute it to her-God works in mysterious ways.
I didn't think that at all. I found it interesting how deeply involved she was in helping others, working hard and thinking she did all things good and right But was taught a terrible lesson. She's just trying to show that she was doing what the Bible says and there was still something wrong. I liked her message and warning.
I picked up on that too but maybe she was emphasizing it to show that even supposedly righteous can go to hell
I agree with you , she never stops talking
Not all dreams are from the Lord. She said her husband had a demonic word spoken to him right before he went to sleep, seems like this could have been an attack on her since it was basically the same time. Also, conviction of sin is from the Holy Spirit, not fear, doubt and condemnation which is what so many seem to be getting from her testimony. We are saved by grace through faith. We can never be good enough on our own. We can only trust in Jesus’ finished work on the cross and his resurrection. How is feeling like you will never be good enough to be with Jesus the Good News of the Gospel?
Yeah, and she is claiming to be a "seer". That's a dangerous claim in the eyes of God.
@@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 I'd like to see some evidence of those claims too. I'm thinking she may have had had a mild heart attack and blew it out of all proportion.
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@@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 I'm not even joking. The physical symptoms internally and what what was happening to her body externally are consistent with a heart attack. She used to be a chain smoker too.
We all need to repent though. Daily. Jesus said so. "Unless you REPENT you will all likewise perish."
Okay, people may disagree with me and that's ok, but i really want to talk to those afraid. You're not going to be saved and then accidentally lose your salvation because you sinned. If it's possible to lose your salvation, then it happens because you are walking and living in sin and have decided to walk away from the Lord. You do not need to be afraid that you lost your salvation yesterday because you sinned. Just confess and repent to Jesus. You're still saved. Those who lose their salvation aren't afraid that they have.
Edited only for spelling corrections.
Amen 🙏🏻
It is possible to lose your salvation cuz revelation 3:5 says Jesus does blot names out of the book of life. And your name isn’t in the book unless you get saved. But for that to happen, you’d have to backslide big time and not repent and give up on your walk and not run the race as the Bible says.
Great point!!@@FransceneJK98
@@FransceneJK98 that scripture has nothing to do with backsliders losing salvation , but in that scripture , Jesus is simply saying that because we have overcome ( overcome meaning faith not sinlessness ) then our names will never be blotted out of the book of life . its just another way of saying we are saved and considered overcomers because we BELIEVE , not because we have a near perfect record of sinlessness .
The road to heaven through Jesus is narrow. Dont be deceived that you can sin and repent anytime you want. That means you have it easy. I do believe that a lot of christians will be surprised where they end up because they dont want to carry the cross that is striving for righteousness. Not just living like the world and counting on being saved.
As a Christian I can tell you that this woman named Pat is not telling the truth. If you are found in Christ you do not go to hell. Salvation is through Christ and Christ alone. It is not what we do, or don't do, but only through Christ alone. According to this video however, I am supposed to believe that someone who is born again went to hell, and then escaped hell, not even considering the fact that she never died. Not only is she telling a lie claiming that salvation through Christ is not enough to keep a saved person out of hell, but also look at her demeanor when she makes such a claim. Have you ever seen anyone give an account of a horrific situation in their life, witnessing someone lose their life or some other violent crime? How much worse is hell than any trauma that this life can produce. If this woman had really gone to hell she would be crying, broken, terrified, and most likely not even able to share the experience. Hell is a real place. This woman did not go there. So my question is how is she being financially compensated for this false account? Is she writing a book, or is she being paid for views on a RUclips video? I do not know the answer to that, but what I do know is Pat is a liar.
I don't know if she is lying but, her theological interpretation of the experience is definitely questionable.
I don’t believe some of her comments are doctrinally sound.
but doesn't it say in James, "Faith without works is dead"? I've heard that if you have faith, it should naturally produce work (aka following Jesus's teachings). idk I'm really afraid of what this all means
You don't know that, you just believe this because you've been taught "once saved always saved",.there are too many NDE's that are saying the same thing Pat is saying, I can tell she is telling the truth.
To be clear, is your belief that it doesn't matter what you do? Christ will save you regardless of how you acted in life? I'm trying to understand your position
I’m quite confused by this testimony. I’ve listened carefully and it sounds like she went to hell for presumptuous sin which she describes in her life as being too busy, not spending enough time with God, or praying enough. She thought she was relying on God but didn’t so she didn’t know she was in sin until she went to hell. Doesn’t that turn things to a works righteousness? I understand that we can’t willfully sin -but I’m not clearly hearing a willful sin. Am I missing something? 🤔
I agree, how is it that this woman just gave a 2-hour testimony and NEVER once mentioned Jesus Christ the savior? Something here is not right, Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6. How can you talk about salvation without the savior? Where is he in this whole dissertation? Nowhere...
@@tomgrant158 also God CAN forgive willfull sin, though repenting of a willfull sin is even harder because you did it on purpose, but it's still forgivable
So she went to hell bc she "didn't ask God first before doing aaaallll this stuff for the church"?? COME ON seriously???
This video is dangerous and i have such an issue with it. I can only do the best i can with doing what i believe God is saying. If i could hear His audible voice for every move i make that's one thing. But ive never heard His audible voice. I can only do my best. So asking God and doing what i think Hes saying and ending up in hell bc im not advanced enough in the Spirit to "do what He says". That's what this woman made me feel.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
She said her relationship with God fell by the wayside. So what happens is believers will cross over into the flesh and get caught up in all kinds of church work, leaving their relationship with the Lord behind. That is how one can come before the Lord at the end of it all and hear….I never knew you. And those verses say but Lord we cast out demons in your name. It’s not the casting out of demons that is wrong. It is doing church things without being led by the Lord in a relationship, daily relationship, with him.
@@daughterofthemosthigh3366 yes I realized Matthew 7:21-23 was the reason. Thank you for your comment may God bless you
@sarahkparadise726 yeah. Here's my opinion on the whole thing. And this is also what I'm trying to share with people who are feeling condemnation from this video.
It is not about what you do. It's about what Jesus did and what that does and who we become in Him. While there were definitely truths in this testimony, the main vibe of it was unfortuantely a performance based works approach.
That is not the point. The point is we die to ourselves, we stop striving, we say yes to Jesus, and we yield to the Holy Spirit and let Him live through us. I am a living testimony to this. I strived for 8 years only to be in hopelesness, but Jesus came and revealed the truth of dying to self and resting in Him 8 months ago and set me free. And I have never been the same!
See, fallen human mind runs on performance. Where we feel like we have to perform and prove ourselves worthy to God. This can be so subconcious it's scary. Yet God wants us to stop striving to overcome sin and be better and simply rest in faith in what Jesus did, and let the Holy Spirit live through us.
It is supposed to be Christ and the Holy Spirit living through you now. It is not supposed to be you anymore. You will never be able to do anything right. This is why we are supposed to die to sin. We died to sin with Christ (read Romans 6). The body of sin is dead in Christ, and we are now alive in the Spirit.
Out of that, we become free from sin. When you realize who you are in Christ, that you are dead to sin, and that you are a new creation, and that the Holy Spirit lives in and through you, this is what makes you free!
So long story short, stop striving. Rest in Jesus and the finish work. Realize that because you are in Christ, the body of sin is dead, but you are alive in Christ. Let the Holy Spirit live through you. It's all about that and a relationship with God. Out of that, good works just flow.
I suggest you read Romans Chapters 5-8. It perfectly illustrates being dead to sin, what happens when we try to keep the law and strive not to sin under the power of our flesh, and our freedom in Christ.
So it's all about knowing who you are and your identity, and out of that yielding to the Holy Spirit everything just flows. I had this thought quote the other day that sums it up well.
"Live in Christ, and allow him to live through you, which then makes you live for Him.”
People get this backwards. My whole point is people try to live for God out of their own strength, which living in the flesh. When in reality, our flesh is supposed to be crucified and we are supposed to live by the Spirit
I hope that made sense and was encouraging and I pray that the Holy Spirit gives you these revelations and peace!
Feel free to respond if you want me to go deeper or have any questions.
@alright272 Exactly. When a person is truly saved by the blood of Jesus, their past, present, and future sins are forgiven; washed clean. This is what allows us to be able to enter heaven: the blood of Jesus. People that haven't been washed clean by the blood won't make it. Sin cannot enter heaven. Nothing WE could do could get us into heaven. If that were the case, then Jesus dying on the cross wouldn't be good enough. He'd have to die over and over. People focus so much on their deeds and being a "good person" when those 2 things will not get anyone into heaven. Granted, when you are Saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit, you want to do those things. But, works and behavior are irrelevant. Only way to heaven is through Jesus. I've seen testimonies of so many church people going to hell because they didn't understand how true salvation is achieved and thought because they did good things and believed in Jesus they were Saved.
@@alright272I watch this whole video and I don't see a problem whatsoever she's speaking biblical truth. It seems like you're being confused by deceptive lies by demons. I will pray that you will seek for God's biblical word and his biblical truth because the scriptures do not lie and the road is narrow very very narrow to salvation and few few few few few few are going to find it!
Presumptuous sin, wow! What a powerful message to adhere to. This convicted me!!! Praise God for leading me here. ❤
I just can't with this lady. Listening to her is what has always made me want to stay far away from Christianity and say why bother trying, but I really want to grow closer to God. Fear fear fear is what's coming out of her, and she makes it sound like you practically have to be a saint to get into heaven, based on her story.
She never really said what she did to help us understand but yet she went on and on
YES SHE DID REPENT GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST LOVE .ASK THE LORD TO SHOW YOU ANYTHING HOLDING YOU BACK AND TAKE UP THE DEEP ROOTS TO DEEP ROOTED.ASK THE LORD TO SHOW YOU .REPENT DAILY REBUKE KNOWN AND UNKNOWN FAMILIAR SPIRITS 🙏🏼 DON'T SIN WILLINGLY.ASK THE LORD TO SHOW YOU REPENT AND GET IN YOUR SECRET PLACE WITH THE LORD
20:32 I really don't get some of this story and not saying it isn't true either. But to be clear... a familiar demon spirit tells your husband before bed "kiss your wife goodnight because it's the last time you're going to see her."... And his prevailing thought is to shrug and think "that's odd", then just goes to sleep?? The thought doesn't cross his mind to let you know what he just heard, and/or have both of you immediately get down on your knees and begin praying like crazy or something? He just rolls over and goes to sleep. Ok, got it 😐
Right very bizarre!!!
Just because someone has a dream from God, they think all their dreams are from God. Just because they said one thing that came true, they are now a prophet. Just because they have intuition, they are now a seer? Are all the things they see true? Test all things. Some things are not all true. Our walk with Jesus is day to day. What's right for one may not be right for the other. Jesus did say IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. Do you love Jesus? Do you long to be with him always? What I see in the "church" is using the Lord for worldly gain (praise and recognition) and pride. I am nothing, but I have seen the Lord use me as a tool to reach someone else. A few times he even let me see what he did. It's like that song - I'm just an old lump of coal, but I'm going to be a diamond some day! MARANATHA!!
Could not agree with you more! Jesus will do so much more with our small acts of obedience. We don't need to hear from so called prophets or have some crazy sign or wonder. We just need to be atune to His presence and then we will see what He's doing in our lives!
Bro obviously you should keep his commandments. That’s not what gets you saved. That’s literally the problem with the Pharisee’s. Like bro quit point to the law for your salvation and point to the one who came down and saved you. Not perfectly loving God is a sin. Do you love everyone and everything perfectly? No you don’t. You’re a sinner just like everyone else. You don’t know God’s love so you think you can keep his commandments. Perfection bro. You can’t do it. That’s what you should do, that’s why he’s saying to do it. Doesn’t mean that you can. So put your trust in Jesus and believe on him and you shall be saved. Don’t trust yourself, you’re giving credit to yourself bro. You love your parents too, do you always obey what they say? No you don’t. So you’re guilty like the rest. You don’t have perfect love so you’re guilty every second. You don’t love God with ALL your heart mind and soul. Thats the command of Jesus, are you doing that every moment of your life? No. So you’re a sinner just like everyone else. Who does Jesus give eternal life to? Those who believe in him. “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but HAVE everlasting life.” John 3:16. “And I give them eternal life and they shall NEVER perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand.” John 10:28. Just cause you love God doesn’t mean you’re saved either.
If the Bible says one thing and this lady says something else, then who’s right? I’ve watched NDE videos before and they typically have a pattern which seems believable, but this one I question. Here’s why:
1. There’s a lot of ME (self) in this video, what I mean is “let me tell you how spiritual I am”, or “My husband has the gift of healing” or “I’m a Seer” or “I’ve been to Heaven” or “I’ve been in the Spirit”. I didn’t detect an ounce of humility in this woman’s testimony. In fact, if anything there’s 20 minutes of her hellish experience, and the rest of the time is her trying to convince me that she’s imminently qualified to make this video, and then telling me what I’m doing wrong in my Christian life.
2. This woman is more than likely a charismatic and charismatics have certain earmarks which identify them. Two of these earmarks stick out like sore thumbs in her testimony. First, Charismatics put prophecies and extra-biblical leadings on the same level as the written word of God. Second, they seek to be mystical and are not practical. To further explain, Charismatics are constantly having experiences, interpreting numbers, sequences, dreams, and visions in their lives and spiritualizing everything. This begins to take the place of scripture, soon after that every time you contract a common cold it’s God’s judgment, when it’s really not, it’s just an ongoing by-product of the fall of man from long, long ago.
3. Several times in this video my scripture alarm went off and I thought, “wait a minute, that’s not what the Bible says”. For example, when she talked about wanting the power of the spirit as a young woman at the 8-minute mark in the video, I immediately thought of Simon in Acts 8:9-21. Simon was born again, but he wanted power so badly he thought it could be purchased with money. He was wrong. Or at the 18-minute mark when she said “I went to hell as a born-again Christian”, well, either she’s wrong or the Bible is wrong. The Bible says in John 3:3-7, John 3:16, I Peter 1:23 that being born again is just that, being re-born into the family of God. At the 18:20 minute mark she states “A leader in the church” which flies in the face of I Timothy 2:12, at the 18:38 minute mark, I thought of Romans 3:10 and Isaiah 64:6.
I’ll need to close here because if I don’t, I’ll be here all-night typing, but I’ll conclude with these thoughts. There is one thing that I find missing from this woman’s testimony, JESUS! When she decided she needed the power, was Jesus anywhere in there? At the 1:08 minute mark she states “if you remember in the Bible the fivefold ministry Apostles, prophets,’ evangelists,’ pastors and teachers the five-fold ministry is there for the building up and the edification of the Saints it was never to be elevated it's the foundation of Christianity” Sorry, but the foundation is Jesus, Matthew 7:24, I Peter 2:7, not tongues, not prophecy, not healing, not pastors, not the Holy Spirit not anything except Jesus. He’s the way, the truth and the life, (John 14:6) and without him we are lost.
Truth isn't for everyone. What has she said here that contradicts Scripture? Why are you uncomfortable with holiness? Why is satan still attractive to you?
I’m sorry but she’s totally wrong about the heart. If you’ve been washed in the blood of Jesus, then your hear is also washed! That’s the way we hear the Lord. Not just through our mind, or the soul.
Not once have I heard a clear reason that she ended up in Hell.
God is not the author of confusion.
Exactly, I believe she’s telling the truth but her explanations were so vague and I really didn’t learn anything except don’t do too much works and born again Christians can go to hell, which doesn’t really add up.
I’m wondering if you listened to the whole thing all the way through? She’s very clear about the sins of presumption that she committed. And the deception that she was under.
@Happycamper52880 Presumption is a product of a lack of understanding, not all presumption is considered a sin.
Jesus also said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" so even presumption can be forgiven.
So what was it SPECIFICALLY that she didn't understand, The Holy Spirit makes things clear, speculation only creates confusion.
@@stonecold3172 Psalm 19:12-13
12 Who can discern his errors? Acquit me of hidden faults.
13 Also keep back Your servant from presumptuous sins;
Let them not rule over me;
Then I will be blameless,
And I shall be acquitted of great transgression.
Presumption means “Behavior or attitude that is boldly arrogant or offensive; effrontery.”
That is how God views presumption. When we commit presumptive, since we KNOW what we are doing. Not the same as since we didn’t understand were sins when we committed them.
Why are people who are born again in hell? Some of these videos are discouraging too me. I thought to be saved you except Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, repent for your sins. Sounds like you have to live an almost perfect life to make it to heaven. I've watched several of these videos. People see little kids in hell and Christians. Well how do you make it?
You need to understand it's not only to be born again, you have to live the life! For example, you are born again, but then you are out there clubbing, listening to worldly music, just a few examples... think of it!
@@kenyaettahboss4240faith plus nothing. Not by works.
@@kenyaettahboss4240 so how strict do you have to be? These videos make it sound hopeless for regular people.
Little kids are never in hell. The Kingdom of God belongs to them. If I heard that I would run.
Amen!@@enna4986 Maybe a teenager, but not a child or infant or toddler or baby.
What an amazing and mind opening interview! Many thanks, Pat for sharing all this with us. Extremely important to know!! God Bless you!
What an unbiblical title… Justified believers do not go to hell for any reason… The only testimony we should have is the gospel of Christ. “That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:” Too many Christian channels have all these stories and no gospel… it’s scary!
The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. How that Christ died for our sins (Having faith in His shed blood), He was buried (delivered for our offences), and He rose again the third day (for our justification unto eternal life).Today is the day of salvation! The Gospel according to the scriptures: Romans 1:16-17, Romans 5:6-8, Romans 3:21-28, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4,
Ephesians 1:12-14, Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
Any stories should be checked against the word of God. Satan comes as a lamb so discernment is key. Not saying this is true or false. Just what we have been instructed by God to do.
This was so INCREADIBLE! What a great testimony from this wonderful woman of God This lengthy in-depth teaching was EXACTLY what I needed to hear! I've been getting bits and pieces of the answers I needed here and there, but Pat summed it all up for me right here.
Thank you so much for uploading this and taking the extra time in this interview. It's really going to bless a lot of people!
So, its saved, then unsaved and then saved many times over? Sounds like works not grace. "“I assure you that whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and won't come under judgment but has passed from death into life" - John 5:24 It's not from Death to Life back and forth again and again. You can't die and be reborn over and over again. You are reborn only once! Jesus died on the Cross 2000 years ago once. What did AYNONE do before and after that event to contribute to his perfect sacrifice? If you struggle with sin and repent you are a Christian. If you practice sin, you are not a Christian. The parable of the "Seeds of the Sower" goes into detail who is a true believer. At the last supper no one thought Judas was the betrayer. It's the heart before God that matters. Works count but not toward salvation. If it did then we would need to go back in time and present our works to add to the Cross of Calvary. Do you really think God would be pleased to accept our works beside the blood of Jesus? Our works are filthy rags before the LORD (Isaiah 64:6) **** I AM NOT SAYING WE HAVE A LICENSE TO SIN but we will be forgiven if we ask (1 John 1:9)
Good point. You make a lot of sense.
Amen!
Amen , I struggle with my flesh daily , we are all a work in progress.. I hate sin but unfortunately sometimes I do sin , Thank God I’m saved by grace through Christ alone ❤
You must Read Hebrew 10:26
@timomarieshely there is a difference with struggling with sin and practicing sin. If you practice sin to get better at it with no remorse, then you don't have the Holy Spirit living in you. If you don't have the Holy Spirit convicting you of sin, then you are not saved to begin with. Read John 3:16 AGAIN.
This was beautiful !I couldn’t stop crying through the 🙏🏽 prayer. Thank you so much for sharing . May God bless you both ! ❤️
Powerful and life-changing testimony ❤ a good reminder that too many Christians are NOT “good to go” 😢
Ok I'm going to say something that's been on my heart to tell you. And please if it comes out the wrong way, I'll delete my comment, and ask for forgiveness. First, I want to thank you for what you do, and bringing the testimonies to us. But the channel feels a little dark. Not really from the testimonies, but mostly the visual. The background of your videos is pitch black, red or black outfits...and to be honest, at times, it's scary to watch. I'm not sure if you realize how it comes off. God is light. Be blessed
This really confuses me because she claims that she was born again and she was serving in the body of Christ. 🤔
It was performative works through her flesh, not natural works from The Spirit.
God is not the author of confusion... There were many things she said that were enlightening... but also some really concerning things that I need some discernment on. I'm being reminded that many false religions have risen out of this sort of mix...
When people tell me they go into the spirit a lot and have visited heaven multiple times I am super suspicious. Be careful getting your doctrine from people's personal, subjective experiences. The enemy would love to give people experiences and then platform them to scare believers about their security in Christ. Ephesians says to put on the new Man/man. When we act like idiots and stray, it doesn't change the state of our spirits. It is still there and our solution is still to put Him on. Can you reject salvation because of years in sin and a hardened heart? Sure. But we aren't always vacillating between heaven and hell depending on how we are living that quarter.
To the host of this channel: if you don’t even know enough, not to put on a person like this; then I pray the Lord help you, and guide through His word... You need to repent for promoting confusion; and ask the Lord to give you the gifts of wisdom, and discernment. When you promote a false gospel, it’s no different than uttering the words yourself, you have a responsibility to those unaware.
Same thoughts.
No! OSAS is a doctrine of devils, and people who follow that false doctrine are offended by the truth of the word of God.
I don't think she was obeying God to get out of the church they were in I don't agree with some of what she was saying. She has caused confusion
Something is off about her testimony. 26:15 she says she ask why shes there and instantly knows. Ff 20m later, she asks god why was she there. Most testimonies people tell how bad they are and eventually end up there. She doesnt say why and im an hour in. She says she jumped out of bed screaming, husband doesnt hear her. 27:20 ish you can see her looking down as if shes reading something later, you hear the page flip from her hands. 35:16 she actually flips the script. Some odd reason she just says "the room," thats the 2nd or 3rd time she said that. Prior she says defiently at 35:00 she does'nt have to explain the very thing she's been telling us she's an expert at. Being a see'er, being in the spirtual relm, talking to god, but her husband is her witness and thats all that matters.
Then it's almost like she wants to say she sleep walks but refrains from doing so. There's no emotion in her speech. Rather her terifiying trip to hell nor her thankfulness to god for getting her out. She said she rarely told this story, which should conjur forth some sort of emotion. 36:40 she TELLS us what repeantence is.
Again. Im not saying what shes saying is true or not, but just from looking at testimonies and having my own experience with the holy spirit, thinking of those events always brings forth some sort of emotions. Hers is blank, she's just yelling and telling everyone what it is they have to do, because any other way is wrong. Then she has it all written down. I know our memories fail, but after writing all those pages you'd think it would be fresh. Hers is more like she's acting out a script on the fly.
I see that too.
@@createinmeacleanheartohgod6871 Bingo. She's telling a story but has no genuine emotion attached to it.
@@bloggerty-schmoo2698 reading from a script, like she took all the scary parts from testimonies, and tried to put her unique spin on it. Then she rants and tell people you're doing it the wrong way, my way is the best way. Talked to jesus in heaven, but went to hell. She KNEW fake christians were down there. No mention of any other group. She KNEW famouse people were down there, made no mention of who. I sent people down there for giving them false advise aaaaaannnnndddd you want us to believe the advice you give now is true? Again. My spidey senses is tingling.
and that she wants us all to "read our bibles and pray every morning" or else while wagging her finger. Something isn't right. It's good to read your bible and pray but this felt like a religious spirit if you ask me.
@@jenniferweir4335 She's a wannabe TV evangelist.
these testimonies are difficult and scary watch but we need to watch them and listen well repent of any sin and turn from them because of gods mercy and no other reason has he brought some back to warn us because of his loving mercy thank you for that word
Amen
Many of these testimonies are false, so blindly listening is foolish. Especially when its a person denying that Jesus is enough. Galatians and Ephesians goes into detail about groups of people who added onto scripture and taught that Jesus and faith was not enough. What does Paul by authority given to Him by Jesus Christ say to them? That on the day a person believes and truly repents and puts their faith in Christ, they are sealed by The Holy Spirit and Holy Spirit is evidence they are born again and saved forever. Hence why its called assurance of salvation.
If a person can lose salvation, there is no assurance and Jesus Christ was not enough and the cross is not enough. Many of you need to stop listening to blind testimonies from people who most likely are agents of Satan, and instead need to fellowship with God and return back to scripture and seek God’s understanding, not man’s.
Bro, Jesus is indeed enough...maybe your knowledge of the scriptures isn't enough. Life has no duplicate, so don't joke with it. Same Paul said "I keep my body under so I wouldn't be a castaway (castaway in greek Adokimos: meaning rejected)"why would Paul use the word rejected if their was no possibility of it happening?...what would you loose if you choose everyday to live right by the power of the Holy Spirit?
@Wisdomlies Fair enough, but this is exactly what she is talking about. She mentioned there is deception in believing you are always/permanently saved. What do you say about those who turn their back on Christ and then live a sinful life? In order to inherit the Kingdom of God, you have to live/remain as his child until death. You literally cannot serve two masters.
@@Wisdomlies Agreed
Now this is one of the best testimonies I have seen/heard on this channel! Thank you so much!
My grandfather both drank and smoked cigarettes his entire life. On his deathbed he saw the most beautiful light comming for him😊
This woman must be listened to. Presumptuous sin. Presuming God will look the other way. Over and over again.
Indicates a heart that is not right with God and I really don’t revere Him as Lord.
She has a hundred takeaways in her 2 plus hour narration that I would need 2 hours share her insights into a closer walk with our Lord
TY for making this interview possible.
sin is sin , whether u want to call it presumptuous or not . and Jesus said ALL MANOR OF SIN SHALL BE FORGIVEN . Jesus died for ALL SIN including what some people call presumptuous sin but in my opinion 99 percent of sin is in fact presumptuous to one degree or another so we all struggle with it .
My allude is one of judgement. Human judgement trying to discern the spiritual narrative from one person's conception of hell. First of all, no one can encompass everything about God and is limited by our understanding. The one thing she seems to miss the point on is hope no real joy in her message and no suppleness in love in her message. The Book of 1st John talks about perfect love casts out all fear! Why is that not in her message?
I understand it but you need to understand neither you or her can know the thoughts of the Creator. We are flesh and blood and no one knows what the Creator does or will do. But gets us into trouble is when any of us makes assumptions for the Creator which is also worse and anyone tread lightly on it is what I say! Thanks for the reply. Jesus died for our sins not any of us that is for sure because 1st John supports my understanding of it! Presumptuous sin is referred in the Old Testament when there was no Savior think on that and let that sink in!
@@Rileyed What can you do to change that in human nature? Can you change 8,000 years of human history about what you think? Can you save your own nature driven by sin or sin based influences? I got a feeling you cannot. Neither can anyone else! Good day to you Sir!
@@Rileyed Glad we agree no one on this earth can change oneself in one's own wisdom and one's own strength! Anyway same to you and appreciate it kindly Sir. It was a pleasure dialoguing with you!
Man I can listen to this lady’s wisdom all day I wish the video was longer. I enjoy hearing from people that are real and want to share what they experienced. It’s rare that you meet people like this woman. I can tell she is very passionate and sincere. I wish she had a RUclips channel I enjoy learning and being around like minded people. Great video!!! Bless this woman
My thoughts exactly. Great mentor material!!
Always wondered about the gnashing of teeth. ( explanation of this in the intro was eye opening!!))
I always believed it was regret. This is an interesting perspective
Great show💗 Joyce Meyer is to me a motivational speaker. However she helped me draw closer to the Lord. 🎉❤
I’ll take the words of the Bible over her “testimony.” She didn’t go to hell bc her sins sent her there Jesus paid for them all. She was given the opportunity to experience what Hell is like for an unbeliever. HUGE difference. If you’re a believer in Jesus don’t let condemnation from her story rob you of the beauty of Jesus’s grace
Thank you!!! This needs to be the #1 comment!! "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
No, she is not in condemnation. She is warning us. We have to keep reading past the condemnation part and read the rest! She had this entire experience to save others in willful sin because of this we will not be saved! This message blessed me and made me sober minded again! 🙏🏾 Blessing to all that believe on the Name of Jesus Christ! He's not playing with us. Do not be deceive...❤
Agree 💯 %. Showing her a glimpse of hell in order to warn others is NOT the same at all as being condemned to hell for all eternity! This was not an NDE-she did not die and was not sent to hell for all eternity.
Thank you for saying this!
All sin is wilful. Jesus paid for the sins of all believers - those who are Born Again. Now believers can fall into disobedience, but they don't lose their salvation - they will deal with the conviction of the Holy Spirit and the discipline of the Lord.
It's important to not fall into I sinned so now I am going to hell type of mentality. It leads to works righteousness.
That’s why I am crying! After confessing! My heart is heavy knowing I disobeyed 😢