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I’ve heard many things about your church and ministry that we’re negative. This was incredible. Such a beautiful explanation of your theology and your passion for Jesus and his church. I so appreciate your honesty and transparency. I have a whole new view and respect for you all. Thank you for this. I will defend you to anyone who criticizes you. I go to an evangelical church and I’m a woman who studies the WORD. As I listened to you, I realized you are living out of the Word and the example of Jesus. That’s all I want, to love and obey Our dear Lord Jesus.
Unbiblical practices:: "School of the Supernatural" Charging students from all over the world to receive supernatura gifts goes aganist Jesus' teaching. "Freely you've been given, freely give." Mt 10:5-8. Bill Johnson endorsement of "the passion bible translation " by Brian Simmons who claimed to have traveled to heaven library. He even said he saw John 22 in heaven and almost brought it to earth but Jesus told him " not now". John has 21chapters but we may see John 22 in the near future. You may watch Brian Simmons' interview with Sid Roth' on youtube for more info. We're in the la st days. May God help us all! Amen !
@23:45 This!! “Letting kindness lead to repentance.”This was a beautiful talk. I really needed to be reminded about Jesus being the perfect manifestation of God and his love.
A lot of people have taken excerpts of sermons from Bethel and misinterpreted them. I know the heart of what is being preached there will finally be understood through this series. ❤️😊
That’s true. Snippets of meetings, slowing them down which misrepresents the whole thing. It’s very manipulative and if Bethel and Bill Johnson were so off the mark they wouldn’t need to do that. Q: What sort of conscience thinks that’s ok to do to the Body of Christ? A: A warped one.
Ive listened to their sermons on my own and I can say with confidence that these guys should be avoided- Bill Johnsons books are full of outright, dangerous error. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, the deception coming out of Bethel is very hard to see for people who arent mature and really know the Word. Its not deception if its easy to see..when Satan tempted Jesus he misuses Scripture to try and get him to toss himself off the cliff. Satan knows Scripture, too and he loves misusing it to trick people.
@@htebazileeilsel2293 I’ve been to church many times at Bethrl and have known of Bill Johnson’s ministry since his early days in Weaverville, Ca. He preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Always has. If you have a problem with that message then that’s your problem. Jesus is the Son of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He was born every whit a man, born of a virgin. The lineage of David. He walked this earth for 33 years, He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities, by His stripes we are healed. By His shed blood we are saved. HE was crucified, arose from the grace after overcoming sun and death and now sits at the right hand of the Father. The gospel. The end. That’s also what Bill Johnson preaches and believes. Some things will never be good enough for critical people. I, along with Bill Johnson will still keep going in the name of Jesus. If you’re changing the world for the Kingdom of God? God bless you. If not? God bless you. In Jesus name ~ CG
Bethel has helped me grow in my relationship with God. I don’t care how many people criticize Bethel. I know my God and Father and some of our most intimate times together came when I worship Him with songs birthed in Bethel. Sometimes I just sit in His presence as the music plays and weep because His love overwhelms me.
@@MainMan005 "but they cater to me and feed my feelings and desires. My emotions override what scripture says and God praises me." When she said that? What are you talking about? "feed my feelings and desires ..." What do you mean by that? God put in man emotions and feelings that appear in worship and praise HIM, emotions and feelings are what provoke praise, Jesus, when he was moved by feelings, praised God. The lyrics of Bethel's songs are loaded with praise to God, directed to God, they may or may not distort the Bible, but that does not mean that they do not worship God, they are two different things, one in the case that it exists does not invalidate the other...
@@thm8521 God gave emotions, but we are training them not to be carnal. Feeding your feelings and emotions is what keeps you there. You like the Supernatural realm and manifestations. You like the high of drunkenness, you like the fire tunnels, you like prophecies, you like gold dust, oil, uncontrolled laughter. Feel, feel, feed me more so I can feel more, experience more. You are wanting all these and more, yet you deny you don't know what was meant by those words? U are not that stupid !!!
You can get overwhelmingly positive supernatural experiences doing DMT, too. Doesn't mean it comes from God. Is Bethel telling you that Jesus came to save sinners into good works and everlasting adoption, or is Bethel telling you that Jesus came to make you feel wonderful and filled with power? These aren't the same.
These guys are so awesome. I love that Bill makes it ABUNDANTLY clear that Bethel does not have a monopoly on God's truth. So refreshing to hear this from a pastor; especially one with such strong convictions and faith practices. I would love for him to expound on the sin of spiritual pride, and how to escape from the stronghold of it (asking for a friend;). The other guy is so wonderful too. Such an angelic face and it was so great that he too commented on how he used to have the problem of doubting others. Again, would love to hear more on overcoming this, or maybe HEALING from this? Thanks again Bethel - Colleen Terry
I am utterly blown away that after all the believing scholars criticism about the TPT, that these two gentlemen would continue to try and downplay the seriousness of the problem surrounding the TPT. It’s not about creating emotion in people, it’s about the truth being understood and kept and the Holy Spirit doing the work in the heart. Faithfulness matters if we are honest believers. Mike Winger has done real good work to help the body understand this and correct the erroneous claims of Simmons.
The TPT and Message are paraphrases and if used should be blatantly stated as such. Personally do not think they should be used for public teaching or preaching.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for this series! I disagree with A LOT, but now, I can define my disagreement way better than before! I pray that god bless all of you! May he shows you more on who he is! May he gives you wisdom! Greetings to Redding! Gabriel
So blessed to hear of the girl who's time had come to go home. A friend once asked me to pray for a lady but in my spirit the Lord held me back. I later learned from the lady that she didn't want to be healed. She wanted to go to heaven. There is so much more involved in healing than what we see and know. Only God knows.
First, let me say how much I appreciate you doing these videos, even though you don't owe this to anyone. I've sat back and watched as professing Christians have torn apart this humble leader and wonderful church. Is Bill's theology perfect? No, neither is mine. Is Bethel's theology perfect? No, neither is any church. A good dose of godly love couple with meekness and humility would do us all good.
there is a difference in saying "is theology at a church perfect?" and a church openly telling people in their books to use new age practices--- "physics of heaven"- endorsing things which are forbidden in scripture. That alone is enough to say Bethel is full of another 'spirit' which is not Holy. A Holy God does not mix with the new age. There is no "blue light" or "sound vibrations" mixed in with Jesus. ZERO. Repent!
@@rachelg1372 you have no idea what you're talking about. They don't teach new age. Just because Satan makes a cheap copy of something doesn't make it inherently evil. I wonder if you think meditation is evil (hint: it's in the Bible). Just because you disagree with something, doesn't make it evil. Pull that plank out bud.
@@RestoreDavidCMcGuire a cheap copy??? That is where you are wrong. When David says "I meditate on your word day and night" he is NOT talking about Transcendental meditation. It is STUDYING. Satan didn't "copy" things of Christ. There isn't a "counterfeit" or things we need to "reclaim for Jesus." NO. God tells us to avoid any such practices. Why? Because they are wicked, detestable, and rebellion against God. There are no "new age" methods we can use that are "safe" or "Christian"
@@rachelg1372 if you want to take waht I said and lie about it, I'm done with you. You're a hateful person with a lying spirit. May you repent and be set free in Jesus.
My wife came the Christ through good news bible club also. What a powerful work, I'm calling for a revival of good news bible clubs to harvest a new generation.
I was involved with GNC in our local public school. It was such a blessing and we had to stop because of the pandemic. So sad. Praying we have open doors again to speak into these young ones’ lives; whether through Good News Club or other ways.
There are serious issues with The Passion Translation. Please do watch Pastor Mike Winger's series on this, which has scholars explaining why this should not be used. Brian Simmons undoubtedly has passion, but to say those who criticise this so-called translation are not in love with Jesus and have a critical spirit is just unfair and untrue.
Brian Simmons is majorly deceived. He claims to have another book of the Bible which will be revealed to people when he is allowed. That is garbage and contrary to scripture. The verses in the "Passion" translation are grossly distorted from their original meaning. The man has zero translation or linguistic training whatsoever. I have a graduate degree in linguistics and I wouldn't dare touch something like the Bible without several other scholars working with me, and even then I'd think at this point it is useless to do yet "another" translation since they did that years ago and it is quite accurate.
@Dean Agnor hey man, BSSM 3rd year alumnus here. Please don't slander Mike Winger. He's practically the only youtuber I know of who clearly displays humility, a desire to understand and fairness in his discussions about various topics. His main beef with the Passion is that it calls itself a "translation" rather than a "targum" or "paraphrase" which would be more accurate. His critiques are together with acknowledged translators of all kinds and backgrounds to try and get a varied feedback on TPT. A few of the ones he's had on quite like it, although they all agree it is not a translation, but rather a retelling and amplification of the original manuscripts.
@Dean Agnor I was introduced to him by a fellow alumnus about 3 years ago. My friend shared the video where Mike critiques Bill Johnson's theology. His points were valid. As someone who has seen hours of Bethel-critical stuff, and engaged dozens of comment threads in defense of Bethel's views and practices, Mike's video about Bill is _the only_ video doing so that I endorse. He showed an effort to understand (having listened to numerous bethel.tv-sermons and being encouraged by them) a gracious approach to certain statements Bill makes, and none of the accusing slander that all others (fighting4thefaith, Justin Peters) partake of at some level. Mike raises some legitimate concerns without leaping to judgment and condemnation, clearly outlining where he has questions, and where he sees something contradict Scripture and become dangerous. I may have missed something, of course, so I'd gladly watch/read sources you might have that show him having a critical spirit towards Bethel :)
@Dean Agnor I do not think your assessment of Mike Winger's Heart is accurate. I have watched a lot of his video's and he is humble, thoughtful and bases everything in scripture. He has some concerns about Bill and Bethel's teachings, which he voices with grace and truth. Having watched many hours of Bill's teaching (I love his stuff) since being reconciled to Christ during a Love After Marriage weekend at our church (my wife dragged me along kicking and screaming), I also have some things that I don't agree with Bill about, which is allowed I am sure. I have been majorly blessed by both ministries of these men of God. However TPT is a major concern of mine after reading it quite heavily for the first year after LAM. It is misleading and subtilty changes the meaning of scripture. I do not believe it should be used as any believers 'primary text to seriously study God’s Word' as the website states. It is not a 'Jihad', it is a serious study in to the claims being made about a new (seriously altered) translation of the bible. Surely it is right that someone does this faithfully and objectively, particularly given the damage that can be done by studying a bible that is flavored by the translator.
@Dean Agnor I haven't heard him accuse Bethel of putting glitter in the vents, nor deny apostles in the modern church. I think I remember him making a distinction between "the original 12" and subsequent people called by God (in terms of authoritatively laying down doctrine and affirming what's Scripture and what's not), but if you could find, or help me search for these things, I'd love to be more informed :) Being skeptical isn't bad, btw. It doesn't mean denying something happened, but just having an open, questioning mind. It CAN pass over into active unbelief, but again, that's not something I think Mike Winger is guilty of. I haven't seen where he expresses skepticism of Brian's testimony either (I'm guessing this is part of his nervous breakdown and addiction 5-10 years ago?) As for Bethel's approach to prophecy, I agree he doesn't give much Scriptural basis for critiquing it, but to be fair, neither does Bethel make a solid biblical case for why we train people that way. There is no Scriptural precedent for "practicing to hear God's voice". There's an aspect of renewing the mind so we can know God's will, but there is a lot of really bad prophecy coming out of Bethel/BSSM-associates. I know, I've been a propagator of it myself :P
I’ve always wondered but been following I’m a evangelical charismatic Christian disabled and mentally poorly but Jesus is using me where I’m weak he is strong carers and hospital 🏥, Heard papa bill a few times but lately been joining the online services on Sundays so blessed tears of healing and blessings , I’m allergic to all vaccines and ingredients so enjoying doing church with Jesus , Have seen many angels especially when so v poorly can’t wait to get to heaven but trying to enjoy the life he died to give us and for eternity not damnation forever , Jesus Yeshua has won the battle , This is such a blessing Loving you all may Jesus always bless you all Mary Great Britain 🇬🇧
I was raised in that tradition that all services had to end in an altar call. I moved away from altar calls a long time ago because I started seeing the often unintentional manipulation that took place in trying to get people to the altar. We make prayer a central part of what we do as well as time to ask questions and meet with others. We give altar calls if we believe we should but never because its tradition. Yahweh gives people plenty of ways to respond to the message.
The "copies and copies and copies" we have are copied and preserved in such a way that they are most definitely accurate. The scriptures are the best preserved ancient document by far. In fact the amount of preservation and accuracy we have of the scriptures today is truly a testament to the reality of God.
Still the events were written down at least 20 years after the fact. The fact that the copies are accurate says nothing of the accuracy of the content.
@@masterofkaarsvet so in other words you dont trust the bible its self. Theres alot of evidence for the information being accurate as well. Like tons compared to other ancient documents. If you want the details you should read "I dont have enough faith to be an atheist" by frank turek
LOVE this, even as a long-time Christian, to hear these Christian beliefs articulated clearly and with humility. Several "Yes, that is good!" moments for me, and several "oh, I hadn't thought of it that way" moments too. Thank you, thank you, for doing this, and may God continue to bless your ministry!
I was so grateful to find this video on my RUclips feed. I'm not a Bethel insider, but I've listened to Bill speak several times and I've never heard anything I found to be heretical. Even more, I found a lot of it to be insightful or inspirational. I think most of the concerns and critiques flow from the belief that miracles and healings are for today. Outside of that, I haven't found anything substantial that critics could really hang their hat on that flows outside of most Christian circles. Some critics believe they preach a prosperity Gospel....I haven't seen it. Other critics believe they profess a hyper-grace that is dismissive of sin. Nothing could be further from the truth. Any others? I also liked how they addressed particular questions that I had. A big one is the TPT translation. I have no problem with their perspective there-> If they're not advocating it as a proof text but feel, akin to the Message translation, it offers insightful context that is consistent with the NKJV and NASB translations- I have no problem with that. And the section on their Theology regarding sickness and healing was outstanding. While I believe healing and miracles are possible, I still had questions within that theological framework that I feel they addressed well. Again, I really appreciated this interview and hope they do more. I plan to use it to defend false assertions and misunderstandings cast against them. Thank you!
Thanks for sticking through the whole video! There are most to come, addressing more common misconceptions about Bethel. If you want to read more you can go to: bethel.com/beliefs
@@mb1015 I would sincerely appreciate examples of where/how they are biblically heretical, if that's the case. I will listen if you have specific examples. Again, one of the biggest concerns I initially had was how dependent they may be regarding the TPT translation. I regard it similar to the MSG translation-> If you're reviewing its content next to one of the other translations like the NIV, ESV, and NKJV translations and find it to be reliably consistent, then I don't see how it's a problem. Do I use it? Very rarely, if ever. Do I find the way they described using the TPT to be heretical- No, absolutely not. Most other critiques have to do with their belief in the power of the Holy Spirit and miracles-> I'm sure that in striving to be dependent on the Holy Spirit and open to His potential, they may be more susceptible to false witnesses within their congregation (being that dependent and open to the Spirit also demands great responsibility)-> but that DOESN'T mean their leaders are false witnesses. I did a deep pneumatology study of the letters of Paul in Seminary and I was blown away by how just about every one of Paul's letter emphasizes the power of the Spirit among them, and even implies very candidly how the different churches Paul's addressing have already witnessed miraculous signs among them (Rom 15:18-19, 2 Cor 12:12, Gal 3:5). The Gospels, Acts, and other letters (James 5:15) only more firmly confirms this conviction. After that class, I put my faith in trust in what the bible plainly says about the power of the Holy Spirit and I do not see Scripture passages that cessationists can rely on as an irrefutable rebuttal. But, if there's something else or you feel I'm missing something, let me know. Be specific. Thank you. Cheers.
“We don’t even have the originals, we have copies…” this makes it sound like what we have is unreliable. We have carefully translated copies of the many manuscripts that help us be confident that what we do have IS what was on the original.
Yeah that was a little concerning. I think Bethel does much more good than bad, but with the Scriptures I just don’t understand why they would say what they did. But then again my theology is probably way off because I rarely pray over people and need to grow in boldness.
Yes, I was shocked when he said that. The numerous copies actually help us to understand what the original text was. From this interview I got the impression he was implying that a lot copies meant the Translation of the Bible was less reliable. Maybe I have missed something.
@@user-gx4wi4cv2m Bethels teachings are like poisoned water. Would you drink a glass of water that I put a scoop of arsenic in? Bethel has done more harm than you can imagine, turning Christianity into a circus and making tons of false converts.
@@user-gx4wi4cv2m Dont worry about praying over people- STUDY Scripture on your own- read it front to back and ask God to give you understanding(and mean it). Theres a reason the Word says "my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"
I love the awesome work the Lord Jesus is doing in and through Bethel. Anyone who is truly born again and In Christ Jesus will hear and see HIS work in and through Bethel.
I have listened to people slander Bethel for years, not one of whom has ever gone to your church. Not only did I attend Bethel for 2 years, but I have been so blessed by your ministry before and since that time. I appreciate this series and hope that it closes the mouths of those who speak without understanding of who you are and what you teach. Thank you for your ministry. You have blessed my life and the lives of so many others around the world. Blessings to you!!
I have heard "Bill" speak in person, Heidi Baker, all of the "famous" ones at Bethel's "sister church" and they are all identical. They build their empire on lies and twisting of scripture.
While I didn’t agree or was lost on when you were talking about Bible translations, I was so inspired by when you pointed out that many people don’t love God who may be really committed to the Bible. Good point and that is everything! Love is key.
9th June is my birthday. I'm the only surviving member of my family. However Jesus is the greatest gift that I could ever have on my birthday irrespective who is there or isn't there. This is just a treat to hear and learn. Every word is so transformative. Thank you Papa Bill and Dan for sharing these nuggets of revelation that makes me more hungry for Him.
characterizing the criticism of TPT as only coming from those w a critical spirit or those who don't really have a love relationship with Jesus isn't just disingenuous, it's terribly presumptuous and is, ironically, a demonstration of a truly critical spirit. People, including many charismatics, have honest concerns about Bethel etc promoting a translation that doesn't simply alter the Bible in slight fashion, but shamelessly changes the word of God in extra-ordinary and easily identifiable ways-ways that change the entire meaning. Diminishing the seriousness of this issue by accusing people of having a "religious spirit" is wrong and I hope Bethel will look more closely at this and honestly engage people's concerns.
@Laurie Dzikewich - this passage is probably relevant here: He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward. Matthew 10:41 NASB1995
Why does Bethel have a "school" that "teaches the gifts" and charges money for it? "Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him,** “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.**Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you." Acts 8:18-22 You cannot teach the gifts, they are a GIFT from God and the charging of money for it is terrible.
I mean, people go to school to learn how to use their gifts all the time. If you're gifted in businesses, some go to business school to better learn how to hone their gifts, and pay money too. There's a difference in buying the gift vs learning how to use it.
@@Loudfocused do you think the Holy Spirit is not sufficient enough when He gives a gift? Can you please give me an example in scripture after Pentecost of when the gifts had to be taught?
"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between YOU and HIM ALONE." Matthew 18:15 (Emphasis my own) Have you tried Biblical step one? I'm certain Bill would make the time to accommodate a personal conversation.
Of course you can teach the gifts. If you are going into any ministry at all, you need training. Jesus thought his disciples for 3 years. The prophet Samuel founded several prophetic communities (prophetic disicipleships) In order to become a priest, pastor or a missonary, i would think you needed some credentials snd training. The charging of money is of course needed to found schools or other ministries. Its not wrong that christians pay for stuff or ministries the receives. Paul charged the churches so he could work as an evangelist. Acts 8:18-22 talks about buying the gifts of the spirit. That is something else than paying for training and services you receive. You my friend are twisting the scriptured a bit.
I’m so thankful you guys are doing this series. I’ve never been to Bethel, but I’ve heard some of the negative stuff. But I love hearing you talk about your beliefs and priorities and thought process and testimonies. And the statement: “at some point, you have to believe you’re forgiven.” I think I’m finally reaching that point, praise God!
Question 👋. I get the critical thing might be a demon sometimes, but the way it seems critical thinking is presented here as a bad thing is worrying I think (1:12:00) but if like he says, we don't have the originals and it's just Holy Spirit brewing new translations every time a new translation comes... Is it just me who feels it sound a little off that we are supposed to stay away from critical thinking, and accept every book that comes in the name of a bible translation as a new brewing from The Holy Spirit .... ? 🤷🏼♂️
@@rachelg1372 - the only statement that I'm aware of from John is when he specifically warns against adding to or subtracting to from the book of Revelation. Is there another statement that he makes somewhere involving all of Scripture? (Keep in mind that the 66 books in the Protestant Bible weren't assembled into a canon until long after he made that statement in the book of Revelation)
So good to hear the story of Bethel and Biblical foundational beliefs. Everything is so balanced and so beautiful with the learning curves given in moving in the will and ways of the Lord. Loved hearing Dan's and Bill's personal salvation stories. Blessings of the Lord to you all!
I'm so thankful for this. Some years ago, I stumbled across Bethel via my sister and came upon teachings and books that positively change the way I lead worship to this day. What resinated with me was a movement that truly accepted no excuse or false doctrines about healing and experiencing heaven on earth and saw results- I'm forever grateful for that. As tome has passed, I did find myself having to 'defend' Bethel because of so much of what I now know are lies. People were so convinced and I began to wonder...nobody is perfect or 100% correct, however the lies were alarming. I'm thankful I stayed loyal to see these videos put right what's been said that's wrong. I also want to thank Bethel for getting me to see that it's normal to experience the manifest presence of God. May God continue to bless you all.
Hi, I came out of these types ministries and talked to a friend about googling Kundalini and discovered that pagans are doing what was happening where I was going. She listened to Bill, bought his books and their CDs, trusted his ministry. Within a week she called back. She followed thru to search it out. She saw the deceptions, threw out the books and CDs. She went on to searching out Truth as written in scripture and won't look to left or right. Her focus is knowing Jesus Christ, God the Father and God the Holy Spirit as scripture reveals them. She has no inclination to comprise.
@@merrittascott3323 hey, I actually come from a solid background. By that I mean, my Dad used to be a Muslim and my Mum a spiritualist. They both found God in a revival, where they physically saw miracles, met the presence of a God and were properly saved - this was in Nigeria in the early 80’s. My Dad is now a Pastor and has a 2 doctorates in Theology and teaches on some of the prestigious universities in London and around the world... Since a child, we’ve been taught to read and study the word of God - properly- so from a child I knew simple things like Jesus was a actually born, the true translation of His name, how to really study, Hebrew etc.. ( I’m 37 now) I said all that to say that as much as you study, you cannot get around the fact that healing etc is real and should be happening. Many churches etc create doctrines around it and explain it all away and make even our Holy Spirit reduced to some sort of bird or cloud. I do find that this ministry doesn’t make excuses and experience God. In London I went to a worship session by Bethel and I knew what we all experienced. Especially coming from a background in Africa where we know the demonic and it isn’t new- I know when we feel the presence of God. So, you and your friend have your own perspective- thank you- I thought I’ll share mine. Also, try not to always Google for answers- go direct to the source and ask. So listen to what Bill and team say about all the things you’ve Googled - then make a judgement. Take care...
@@queenmarytorishe Hi, I have never said I don't believe in healing. I've prayed and ppl were healed. Not each time, but true answer to the prayers. I have friends who also pray and God answers. My own salvation came bc the Holy Spirit spoke to a woman I only met briefly. He spoke to her to pray for my salvation. I didn't know till years later. Boy, it was some journey. Going from no belief to searching for answers in scripture and prayer. It was all happening bc she did pray. When I came to trusting Christ as my Savior, I didn't know where to go to a church. So I prayed, went to the yellow pages of the phonebook, put my finger on a church and called them. I asked, do you pray in tongues in your church? They do and I got directions how to get there. I had never been in that area before. After service a woman came up to me who had been sitting at the very opposite of the pew I sat. She reintroduced herself. She was the woman I only met for about 10 minutes. That is the main focus for our prayers, to pray for salvation of lost, the prodicals, and those weak in faith. I am so glad I never came to having experiences, for we only know about the gospel bc it is written and to have faith in what is written..I know that everything we need to know about past, present and future has already been written. I know that faith is not emotion, but trusting, relying, leaning and depending on the written word of God. Man can teach, but Jesus commands we test it with scripture to know what spirit it is of. One doesn't have to have college degree to learn. We are already directed how godly wisdom, knowledge, understanding and revelations of the word comes. It isn't IQ at all. It's the abiding in the Vine, meditating on the scriptures. God made the importance of scripture plain for all to understand what faith is and what it is not. Now in these Last Days we have seen many churches being infiltrated with demonic practices. They have been told by false prophets that it is a new move of the Holy Spirit. Only there is only what Jesus taught about the Holy Spirit that will take place. The spirit counterfeiting the Holy Spirit is Kundalini and yes, I never heard the word before and curious about it ,so I googled it. You are very young and have a long journey ahead, You will have many teachings that you will need to test. Words false teachers and prophets say can sound convincing. Most what they say is biblical, but words are taken out of context and twisted,enough to change what God has actually said. Revelations gives us a prayer to pray, Father, in Jesus name I ask for ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to me. I'm 77,and have had a long journey. I've been tested to know true biblical faith. It goes with the territory.We all go through the fiery trials of our faith in the scriptures and the God of the scriptures. Best to you as your love for Jesus is grounded deeper and deeper.
Very wise. They’ve been embarrassed over last few years by one idiotic act after the next. Bethel is probably hemorrhaging converts at this point. Make no mistake. These people are not Bible believing Christians
Thank you for making time to make this series. You are truly manifesting scripture in trying your best to make sure you are not a stumbling block to anyone's opportunity to receive the gospel. God bless you so much. I'm grateful
When people disagree with your take on something and you say they have a critical spirit, you yourself are being critical of their spirit. By your own definition of what the "critical spirit" is, you are operating in it. Instead of looking at the specific points that someone is critiquing, it is easier for you to just say, "they have a critical spirit." and then ignore the actual concerns.
I just wonder why the haters don't do something more meaningful to them than watching this, or just spend their time criticizing a group you hate. Rather watch football or watch your own preachers messages.
@@charishalomvictor Why call me a hater? Are you implying that I hate Bill Johnson? Why would you imply that? It would be just as silly for me to say that you are just a hater of me. All because I disagree with Bill when he dismisses critics and claims they have a critical spirit. I ask again, why have you judged that I am a hater? Please substantiate your harsh accusation.
There are many ways that criticism can be raised, and the amount of love that shines through in the midst of the criticism can have a strong impact on how it is perceived and received. Although it sounds like your perception is that the accusations of having a critical spirit come solely because an objection is made, I often see that type of statement made when the lack of love in the objection is a lot louder than the objection itself. Although some people might level that sort of accusation more flippantly than others, I don't think that Bill makes that sort of accusation flippantly at all. He has to put up with a whole lot of slander and criticism that paints the body of Christ in a very poor light, and in my experience he generally handles it with a remarkable amount of grace. Blessings to you, in Jesus' name.
@@dagman85 Personally I love Jesus, the Bible, Bill Johnson and you the other people on here. That’s why I warned people about The Passion Translation on another thread. Bill Johnson sounds like a nice guy, but he’s not a clear biblical thinker, and there’s real life consequences following his teachings. It’s a slippery slope off the narrow path of following Jesus. I hope you and others take the time to listen to the concerns rather than closing your ears...
Bethel has a global and influential presence and therefore is subject to scrutiny. That is not all bad, that is an opportunity for refining. I came here to listen to Bill's response to the controversy about TPT. Unity and diversity in the church also means understanding the important role of scholars, intellectualism does coexist with a powerful move of the Spirit for those who are humble. Bless you.
I watched Mike Winger 5 part series on TPT.. it was very interesting. Perhaps Bill glossed over the controversial nature of one man's 'vision.... hmmm.. I'm wondering.
@@peacefuldoves yes. I think Bill answered better many of the other topics discussed. I was disappointed to see the TPT controversy was glossed over. I'm not sure if Bill took the time to watch Mike's videos, you can't really equate TPT to The Message or NLT as Bill tried to do in this interview.
@@marionettie9396 hi there, totally agree with what u wrote, I think Bill would gain insight into Mike's video scholars.. its like comparing apples and tyres. Only common thing is stuff, but not like each other. I was a Bethel addict, their zoom rooms caught me.. God called me away. I was getting tooooooo focused on their prophesying, over me. God's speaks, through the Word. He did gloss over it. Blessings from England 🇬🇧
His response is that the Bible, though the originals were the word of God, is corrupt and the Holy Spirit is sending a correction, and that's what TPT is. Look at 1:12:00 and listen to what he is REALLY saying. Might as well go to the Book of Mormon. RUN.
Funny how Scripture warns us in almost every book(certainly all of the New Testament) to beware of false teachers/teachings, yet these guys would have you believe that no one really knows the truth anyway, so we shouldn't be concerned about false doctrines and error.
"I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?" I Corinthians 10-13 The Scriptures also warn us about those who stir up division. "As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him," - Titus 3:10
@@jamestaillon4781 «No doubt there have to be differences(divisions) among you to show which of you have God’s approval.» 1 Corinthians 11:19 NIV
@@jamestaillon4781 Warning against harmful doctrines and false teachers isnt stirring up division. Paul was no stranger to calling out false doctrines and naming false teachers to avoid. Read Scripture and stop following these men, if anything they are the divisive ones by contradicting the instructions in Scripture.
Loved what Bill shared when he made the comment that he preached a sermon on Wisdom that he first sat on for 10 years... Preaching from the journey... That is profound and the way of real wisdom and revelation.
"I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment."1 Cor 1:10 1 Corinthians 3:3-4
@@jamestaillon4781 Is it divisive to warn people about false teachers who are leading people to the path of destruction? I quoted the verse above because Bill thinks its just ok to just mix all of these denominations and not address their errors. And to blend Catholicism with the Church and allow false doctrines and harmful practices,that are unbiblical to flourish and say "well they just don't believe the same way, no one has it all figured out" is downright dangerous. Its not arrogant to say you know the truth. Scripture has clear instructions for us for a reason. Paul said that if anyone wont listen to the sound teaching and instruction of his letters that we shouldnt keep company with them, so that they will be ashamed, with the hope that they'll turn from their error. We are warned to watch out for false teachers in every book of the New Testament, a little leaven, leavens the whole batch. Why are you so willing to defend this man? Are you following Jesus or Bill Johnson?
So 39:11 Bill, there’s no suffering, no sovereignty of God? So concerning. Everyone, learn the Bible first yourself. MOST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT was written to SUFFERING BELIEVERS.
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 ESV
Very true. Any church that downplays or minimizes Jesus’s command to “heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils “ and takes the power out of the gospel and takes the attention away from Jesus and onto wealth accumulation, good works, or narcissism/pride would fall into the category you are speaking of.
Is Seizing and rolling on the floor taught and or encouraged in Bethel? can we really say this accepted behavior represents God, not dishonors and shames Him? Should the focus be entirely on works and wonders just to distract us from the True LOVE and GRACE of God? As a somewhat new Christian from Unitarinism, I can honestly say, this Behavior and Movement was ammunition to attack the Evangelicals. We Thrived on such demonic behavior....Im just being honest...Dont loose focus is my point and rid this ungodly behavior and misdirection.
Love all of it! One thing I've learnt from Pastor Bill and Bethel Church, is the true nature of Papa. I have personally followed Bethel Music and used many of your songs in my own worship leading because of what it does to my heart. It changed our worship leading when we began to focus on the Love and Nature of Papa. ❤️ 💕💕
Vallotton of Bethel also teaches that Adam was a hermaphrodite before Eve and so is God. So are you going to be worshipping Mama God like Bethel does next? Search for "Kris Vallotton God is both male and female"
@@toomanymarys7355 LOL 😂 That was funny. I think what he tried to say was that God has both male and female dimensions which is true from Gen 1:27 KJV So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Watch how the Bible says God's image is both male and female.
Please my friend. Do not disrespect the transcendence and beauty of our God yahweh. We have intimacy with him that is provided by christ which is our new covenant, to call him daddy or papa trivializes other equally notable and important aspects of his character that we should hold in regard. Abba is a reflection of his intimacy yes, but before christ is was an intimacy only afforded in the temple. It's daddy does not reflect the transition from old to the new covenant God has with the body.
Excellent discussion with great conclusions to aid in understanding your doctrines. I've never been to Bethel but I've heard the good and the bad. This gives me more confidence and I thank you for sharing in such an easy to understand, conversational way. Papa Jack spoke highly of Bill and now I see why. A glimpse behind the curtain was very enlightening and informative. I am going to use some of what I heard here to improve my own walk, thanks again.
In regards to the the passion translation, I think its interesting how they can focus much of their talk on the Holy Spirit, yet downplay someone casually changing the words the Holy Spirit inspired in Scripture. If knowing, following and obeying the Holy Spirit is so important to them, then surely they would want to read and teach the most accurate representation of that they can.
@Dean Agnor Actually, you might want to investigate the TPT for yourself. Brian does a poor job of noting when he is changing the original. In fact he makes the outlandish claim he is citing from the 'original aramaic ' texts. No such texts exist, which makes him either deceived or a liar. Either verdict means he should not translate Scripture. One example of Brian not indicating a departure from the original is Eph 5:22. Its one of many that distort the original meaning to insert his agenda. So Dean your defence is BS and you might want to do your homework
@Dean Agnor so your problem there is you've read the misleading footnotes of mr Simmons. Its sad that he is deceiving you like this. The verb upotasso is in verse 22. Which if you didn't know, means to submit. Its in every early manuscript bar 2, P46 and B. In quotations of Eph 22 by early church fathers, they quote using the word submission. All major English translations have the word or a form of it in there. Yet, you've read the footnotes of the TPT so everyone else is wring and Simmons is right. What was it you said previously about not knowing what you're talking about and doing researching? I guess next you'll claim its not in the 'original aramaic.' Because as we all know, it makes perfect sense for the apostle Paul to write to Greek speaking Gentiles in aramaic. Just in case you miss the sarcasm, you conveniently left out a response to that problem in your reply.
Brother, I think the problem with this theology of suffering and healing is that you’ve taken a description of the healing ministry of Jesus and made it prescriptive - if Jesus did it then I can do it. Jesus did many things that we will do but there is no teaching that instructs believers that we’re able to heal as he did so we best make a separation. I’m 100% for praying for healing but there aren’t any texts that claim it’s God’s will to heal everyone, certainly not Isaiah 53 or 1 Peter 2. Pray for healing yes but be sure to recognise he has not revealed any promise to heal everyone. Descriptions in the bible are not always prescriptions. Thanks for the video and your openness on the topic!
When I see brother, I already know it's gonna be some bs🤣. I'm not sure we are reading the same Bible. It says heal the sick raise the dead cleanse the leper and says even greater works shall we do and it says whatever you ask in his name shall be given. You totally just gave your opinion that was full of doubt and unbelief to begin with so that's probably why it's not happening for you.
@@elizabetht9734 The instruction to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cleanse the leper was given to the Apostles, not to the church. That same passage says "don't go to the Gentiles". Clearly it's a specific teaching. We don't obey that portion of the passage do we? When Jesus said you can do greater works than these it can't mean greater in power. Jesus raised people from the dead and healed the sick. What's greater than that? The text must mean greater in extent, insofar that the miracle of salvation was extending beyond the Jews.
@@carlpahlrobinson oh please it never said stop doing that. It should have continued to grow like it did daily being added to by the thousands. If that's not happening for you it's your fault. It surely isn't his.
@@carlpahlrobinson nothing in that Bible says or even suggests that things should die down at some point after Pentecost in acts2 and the 10 day prayer meeting. You ever sat somewhere and prayed and said you weren't leaving til you had the power from the holy ghost?
Love this and love bethel and l learned a lot from this conversation...❤️ Watching/joining bethel worship services for more than 2 years feels like I belong to this family already and so I'm a bit hurt if there are negative comments about them. - sending love from Philippines🇵🇭
On the bible translation section, I wish they would address the real critisism of the passion translation, how the translation is accused by sound teachers of litrally changing the meaning of some stuff in the bible. So it seems there might be more than just a simpler modern language bible. I felt there was just a lot of talk on that section, and no real addressing of what the serious concerns are about TPT, looking at those portions, and how they defend on still using it 🤷🏼♂️.
Of course not - because they cannot defend using it. When the author of a supposed translation says he magically received extra books of the bible which he'll pen someday when "allowed by God" immediately that person should be rejected.
@@rachelg1372 I didn't know that, intresting, I will have to research and double check if what you are saying is true. I didn't want to doom people for using bad translations, maybe ignorance is the reason and not that they are intentionally promoting bad stuff. Non the less careless. But I am interested to know their side to why. But then again I may have been doomed as a religious or a critical demon by comenting negative 🤷🏼♂️
check out Mike Winger's recent upload about The Passion. He talks about why it is wrong to use. But honestly Brian Simmons openly said the things about another chapter of the Bible on "GodTV" with Sid Roth. It's easily findable on the internet and very disturbing.
Unbiblical practices:: "School of the Supernatural" against the word of God! "Freely you've been given, freely give." Mt 10:5-8. Bill Johnson endorsement of "the passion bible translation " by Brian Simmons who claimed to have traveled to heaven library. He even said he saw John 22 in heaven and almost brought it to earth but Jesus told him " not now". John has 21chapters but we may see John 22 in the near future. You may watch Brian Simmons' interview with Sid Roth' on youtube for more info. We're in the last days. May God help us all! Amen !
@@user-xf3ql1nc7g Thats fine, but to imply that bible schools should be free is not fear I think. There is a lot of costs that has to be covered. Also If you feel like what you have received from the Lord should be given freely? So then preachers will not be given anything for their job I guess, fine (not fine), but where do you draw the line? if you are a plumber, is it not the Lord that has graced you with that skill? Are you not working as unto the Lord in the same manner as a preacher? Should you not work for free then? I think your understanding of that bible verse is wrong.
I heard a man talking bad about the theology of this man, and I didn’t get the same heart of love from the other guy, where’s that’s what I get from this man by the way he talks he has love and reverence for God and His word. Jesus said the most important, (number 1 )commandments is to love our God with all our heart, and our brother as ourselves, to me this is our theology that we must practice first , then seek God in prayer and studying the word to understand all of what the bible teaches us, love your brother , and talk together about God so we can serve Him best in unity, not expose your brother and divide each other!
Just something to hopefully think about. Gandhi was a really nice and loving man, but he wasn't a Christian. I also have thought this before... There are Mormons, or Islamic people, or even atheists that seem nicer than some Christians I know, but that's not the only fruit we are to look at. Does someone faithfully preach the whole counsel of God? Do they preach Christ and him Crucified? Do they preach about sin and judgment of hell, and also the love and grace of God? Bill does not do this in the pulpit, he is saying the gospel in this video, but it's hard to find in his preachings. The man you talked to who spoke against bill, was likely trying to warn you, and there are lots of warnings against certain people, and especially false teachers in the Bible. I also thought like you, thinking we all just should be in unity as a church, but Bill isn't a brother. The fruit of his church, for example, the tunnel of fire and impartations, along with his consistent teachings, are against Scriptures. A good resource is The Messed up Church, and Fighting for the Faith. They disect the teachings of Bethel and similar churches and really.point out exactly how it's against Gods explicit commands in scripture. I hope this helps! Just know, true brothers in the Lord may not always come across loving when they are warning against false teachers. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Paul all warned against false prophets and teachers and seemed offensive. But it was done out of love for people.
Do you think that wolves lead people to their doom by being not nice? Jim Jones was an incredibly kind seeming man. And we know how that ended up. What Bill says are desperate attempts to cover the various acts of witchcraft, necromancy, divination, and Gnosticism that have come to light because of social media. Just because he seems really sweet doesn't mean he won't destroy you.
Thank you for addressing a few specific topics. Will you guys be addressing more of these that have been of some concern or caused confusion? For example…glory clouds, being “drunk in the spirit,” honey barrels, God “laying aside his divinity and doing miracles as a man in right relationship with God but not as God,” false prophecy, and association with exploitation from faith healers? I’ve been very confused by some of these things and videos from the church itself, but keeping my mind and heart open for this series.
I would not tell you to "stay far away" from Bethel. But it's a personal decision that you will have to make for yourself. Does the God you know personally line up with them? I'm sure this series will teach you a lot.
@@matthewphilip2606 I’d say not the God I know (although, yes, it is Him), but does it line up with the God of Scripture (Scripture as opposed to other translations on the fringes of Christian, e.g. New World Translation, Boom of Mormon, TPT etc)
@@joshmoore2212 That's fair. You learn God's character through reading His Word though. So in my mind I kind of equate them. Should've been more specific, thanks.
Fascinating the discussion at 13:00. Bill is right to say no one "get it all right". Yet the popular church teaching is that Paul got it all right and his letters to some churches are infallible. The infallibility of the bible isn't scriptural because the bible isn't scriptural. Nor do the scriptures claim that are infallible.
So how exactly would a Bethel theology handle the life of someone like Joni Erickson Tada? This is a huge miss for me in speaking of healing. Job's children DIED, they were never healed. Paul asked for healing, it never came. Jesus asked for the cup to be taken from him, yet he ENDURED suffering even to DEATH. God's purposes WILL not be thwarted even if he uses a disabled body person to do it.
There was a lot of talking and laughing... but left with a watered down understanding of any substance. That said, I appreciate the effort and seemingly genuine passion for the things of the Lord.
I believe they’re genuinely interested in explaining an orthodox theological position but they’re lacking a lot of scriptural presentation. I wish they would reference the scriptures that backs their ideologies.
Thank you for this! Could you please address Bethel’s view on suffering in more depth? I agree that people like Joni Aereckson Tada should pray to receive healing (James 5:14-16). But the Bible has more to encourage and strengthen His children who don’t receive breakthrough this side of eternity (2 Cor 4:17-18). Understanding God’s sovereignty in suffering was an immense help to Joseph (Genesis 50:20), Paul (2 Cor 12:8-10), Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Corrie Ten Boom, and countless others in the midst of extreme trail and death. In my own suffering, understanding God’s sovereignty has been the one thing that allows me to go to bed and sleep soundly at night.
There is some good stuff here but also quite inaccurate on healing - note that the man at the Pool of Bethesda did not even know who Jesus was (as he later said to the pharisees). He had no faith and yet Jesus healed him. God is both in charge and Sovereign. As Daniel says, ‘All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven ; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”’ Daniel 4:35. Bethel's view is far too man centered. We are NOT 'little Gods'! The Passion Version is not a translation but one man's angled commentary on the Bible. It is not based on the original text and is often 'top of the head' well-meaning thoughts. It is important to be critical of something that is misleading. This is called 'testing the spirits'!
Episode 1 . I see in His people, the willingness to help makes an understanding, simple to the hearer. Now I can point folks to these Episodes it will show you foundational things shared with a Joyful Spirit of God. Jesus Himself has worked very hard to bring forth a people only trusting in Him that Looks unto His Father God taught by Holy Spirit. His Greatest Blessing for you as you enjoy this fellowship with Him in His Body.
May I ask a question from my heart? Does Bethel believe that those who interpret Scripture as affirming LGBTQ+ people are not Christians? I believe there's an analogy to Acts 15, and also that Bethel affirms the entire ministry of women, but some Christians say, "Bethel's view is 'clearly' opposed to the Bible." I do not think everything the LGBTQ movement does or says is compatible with the Kingdom, but I have had joy in Jesus since I was five years old, and when I ask the Father, "Did you make me gay?" I hear, "That's not the right question - I ask you, 'What are you doing with what you receive?'" After doing my due diligence with prayer, Scripture, reason, and my journey with God, I have been in good conscience for over twenty years. I love and bless Bethel Church. But I hope if I ever have the opportunity to worship with you in person, I will experience the dignity of being a fellow believer in the real Jesus, even though I know we disagree (and I would affirm that Bethel's support of CHANGED ministry is harmful when folks weaponize it against people like me). Thank you for hearing me, and I look forward to a genuine encounter.
Here is our official statement for LGTQ+ that I think makes clear that while we do not condone the sin, we pray for freedom and breakthrough for all.. www.bethel.com/sexuality
This sort of dialogue among church leadership is critical in these days of mass deception. People automatically do not trust. Transparency via open dialogue really allows people to see who you are, and we find common ground with you as we identify with something you have experienced on your journey. More of this please👍
This was beautifully put! So much that needed to be said, and you did it in such a humble God driven way. You took your egos out of this conversation! Thanks so much for doing this ☺️
Bring Mike Winger on to actually push on your talking points. Your response in regards to the Passion Translation is very concerning, as it has many added words that are not in the original language as Mike winger points out in his videos. Lastly, please use scripture to back up your claims not just your opinion. I was once sucked into the hyper-charasmatic gifts are for everyone movement, but praise God for His mercy to show me the truth of His Word. All other ground is sinking sand.
“His (Jesus) primary purpose in coming, I think, was to reveal the Father”. 23:37. I would offer that His primary purpose in coming was, in fact, to be The Perfect Lamb of God Who Takes Away The Sin Of The World. John 1:29.
I’m a bit confused. The Son of Man was a divine figure. So to say that Jesus did the miracles as the Son of Man, not because he was God misses who the Son of Man is. It also opens up to bad Christology. What am I missing here?
I am not a theologian but, at the same time, try to understand implications in scripture. Phillipians 2 says Jesus made himself of no reputation - he set aside divinity to become man, he became subject to temptation and overcame as perfect man. He "became a servant" to show me how to live before God. Rather than say the Son of Man is a divine figure, I would rather think of Him as sinless Man empowered by the Spirit of God. This way, I can partially understand and hold out hope in His example that some day He will call me brother or friend. Theology says Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man and while I believe this statement, it will take more time than I have to correctly grasp it. I did not listen to this discussion in the video but have heard criticisms against Bethel regarding this subject in the past - at the time, it seemed like a criticism of semantics with a biased assumption of error.
@@jimjim8253 But here’s the problem: in order to get believers to follow Jesus, this teaching brings Jesus down to man’s level so that man can be brought up to Jesus’ level. It gets it backwards. You yourself say: “This way, I can partially understand and hold out hope in His example that some day He will call me brother or friend.” Friend, your hope for that should not be in how well you follow his example or do miracles. Your hope to be called brother and friend of Jesus is in the shed blood of Jesus. That is all! Anything short of that is works righteousness.
@@jimjim8253 Even as Spirit empowered believers, we’ll never be able to do exactly as Jesus did. That’s impossible this side of eternity. So then how short can we come and still follow Jesus? With Bethel’s teaching, there has to be a line that falls short, but not too short. However, that’s not what Scripture says. We all fall short and all we deserve death for it.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Many people question what is going on at Bethel because of misleading sound bites. Hopefully these thoughful conversations will cause them to question the sound bites.
Nope, Ive examined his teachings myself, and he is so off on everything. And Bill Johnsons books show what he truly believes, he is leading people astray.
There’s nothing Christian about Bethel at all. They don’t know the gospel and they follow a false Jesus….as do many churches today. I’d recommend you take a look at Scroll publishing here on youtube. He explains the beliefs of the early Christians along with scripture which shows how far off many are today from the truth of the gospel and living word.
My family is moving to Redding this summer and this video series in going to be so helpful in going through the core values of the community. Grateful for this
But what fruit has Bethel yielded? A man wearing glasses with a deaf son declaring resurrection to a dead child that stays dead whilst refusing to allow for sickness. How can we square his beliefs with his fruit?
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Thanks for being transparent by leaving the comments open.
@@JesseMoffett I agree.
I’ve heard many things about your church and ministry that we’re negative. This was incredible. Such a beautiful explanation of your theology and your passion for Jesus and his church. I so appreciate your honesty and transparency. I have a whole new view and respect for you all. Thank you for this. I will defend you to anyone who criticizes you. I go to an evangelical church and I’m a woman who studies the WORD. As I listened to you, I realized you are living out of the Word and the example of Jesus. That’s all I want, to love and obey Our dear Lord Jesus.
A beautiful and honoring comment!
Please pray tell - justify the new age practices pushed in "physics of heaven" or "quantum glory" --- It outright says necromancy is ok!
My experience as well
Amen sis
Unbiblical practices:: "School of the Supernatural" Charging students from all over the world to receive supernatura gifts goes aganist Jesus' teaching. "Freely you've been given, freely give." Mt 10:5-8. Bill Johnson endorsement of "the passion bible translation " by Brian Simmons who claimed to have traveled to heaven library. He even said he saw John 22 in heaven and almost brought it to earth but Jesus told him " not now". John has 21chapters but we may see John 22 in the near future. You may watch Brian Simmons' interview with Sid Roth' on youtube for more info. We're in the la
st days. May God help us all! Amen !
@23:45 This!! “Letting kindness lead to repentance.”This was a beautiful talk. I really needed to be reminded about Jesus being the perfect manifestation of God and his love.
A lot of people have taken excerpts of sermons from Bethel and misinterpreted them. I know the heart of what is being preached there will finally be understood through this series. ❤️😊
That’s true. Snippets of meetings, slowing them down which misrepresents the whole thing. It’s very manipulative and if Bethel and Bill Johnson were so off the mark they wouldn’t need to do that. Q: What sort of conscience thinks that’s ok to do to the Body of Christ? A: A warped one.
Ive listened to their sermons on my own and I can say with confidence that these guys should be avoided- Bill Johnsons books are full of outright, dangerous error.
Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, the deception coming out of Bethel is very hard to see for people who arent mature and really know the Word. Its not deception if its easy to see..when Satan tempted Jesus he misuses Scripture to try and get him to toss himself off the cliff. Satan knows Scripture, too and he loves misusing it to trick people.
@@htebazileeilsel2293 Well said, This church is heretical and dangerous. Very scary.
@@htebazileeilsel2293 I’ve been to church many times at Bethrl and have known of Bill Johnson’s ministry since his early days in Weaverville, Ca. He preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Always has. If you have a problem with that message then that’s your problem. Jesus is the Son of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He was born every whit a man, born of a virgin. The lineage of David.
He walked this earth for 33 years, He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities, by His stripes we are healed. By His shed blood we are saved. HE was crucified, arose from the grace after overcoming sun and death and now sits at the right hand of the Father. The gospel. The end.
That’s also what Bill Johnson preaches and believes.
Some things will never be good enough for critical people.
I, along with Bill Johnson will still keep going in the name of Jesus.
If you’re changing the world for the Kingdom of God? God bless you. If not? God bless you. In Jesus name ~ CG
I think you need to read your Bible buddy if you think bethel has good theology.
Bethel has helped me grow in my relationship with God. I don’t care how many people criticize Bethel. I know my God and Father and some of our most intimate times together came when I worship Him with songs birthed in Bethel. Sometimes I just sit in His presence as the music plays and weep because His love overwhelms me.
@@MainMan005 "but they cater to me and feed my feelings and desires. My emotions override what scripture says and God praises me." When she said that? What are you talking about? "feed my feelings and desires ..." What do you mean by that? God put in man emotions and feelings that appear in worship and praise HIM, emotions and feelings are what provoke praise, Jesus, when he was moved by feelings, praised God. The lyrics of Bethel's songs are loaded with praise to God, directed to God, they may or may not distort the Bible, but that does not mean that they do not worship God, they are two different things, one in the case that it exists does not invalidate the other...
@@thm8521 God gave emotions, but we are training them not to be carnal.
Feeding your feelings and emotions is what keeps you there.
You like the Supernatural realm and manifestations. You like the high of drunkenness, you like the fire tunnels, you like prophecies, you like gold dust, oil, uncontrolled laughter.
Feel, feel, feed me more so I can feel more, experience more. You are wanting all these and more, yet you deny you don't know what was meant by those words?
U are not that stupid !!!
You can get overwhelmingly positive supernatural experiences doing DMT, too. Doesn't mean it comes from God. Is Bethel telling you that Jesus came to save sinners into good works and everlasting adoption, or is Bethel telling you that Jesus came to make you feel wonderful and filled with power? These aren't the same.
So much Good. Praise God, Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
These guys are so awesome. I love that Bill makes it ABUNDANTLY clear that Bethel does not have a monopoly on God's truth. So refreshing to hear this from a pastor; especially one with such strong convictions and faith practices. I would love for him to expound on the sin of spiritual pride, and how to escape from the stronghold of it (asking for a friend;). The other guy is so wonderful too. Such an angelic face and it was so great that he too commented on how he used to have the problem of doubting others. Again, would love to hear more on overcoming this, or maybe HEALING from this? Thanks again Bethel - Colleen Terry
I am utterly blown away that after all the believing scholars criticism about the TPT, that these two gentlemen would continue to try and downplay the seriousness of the problem surrounding the TPT. It’s not about creating emotion in people, it’s about the truth being understood and kept and the Holy Spirit doing the work in the heart. Faithfulness matters if we are honest believers. Mike Winger has done real good work to help the body understand this and correct the erroneous claims of Simmons.
100%!!!
They downplayed a lot. For the truly discerning and with gifts of teaching, we can see the doublespeak.
The TPT and Message are paraphrases and if used should be blatantly stated as such. Personally do not think they should be used for public teaching or preaching.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for this series! I disagree with A LOT, but now, I can define my disagreement way better than before!
I pray that god bless all of you! May he shows you more on who he is! May he gives you wisdom! Greetings to Redding!
Gabriel
So blessed to hear of the girl who's time had come to go home. A friend once asked me to pray for a lady but in my spirit the Lord held me back. I later learned from the lady that she didn't want to be healed. She wanted to go to heaven. There is so much more involved in healing than what we see and know. Only God knows.
First, let me say how much I appreciate you doing these videos, even though you don't owe this to anyone. I've sat back and watched as professing Christians have torn apart this humble leader and wonderful church. Is Bill's theology perfect? No, neither is mine. Is Bethel's theology perfect? No, neither is any church. A good dose of godly love couple with meekness and humility would do us all good.
there is a difference in saying "is theology at a church perfect?" and a church openly telling people in their books to use new age practices--- "physics of heaven"- endorsing things which are forbidden in scripture. That alone is enough to say Bethel is full of another 'spirit' which is not Holy. A Holy God does not mix with the new age. There is no "blue light" or "sound vibrations" mixed in with Jesus. ZERO. Repent!
@@rachelg1372 you have no idea what you're talking about. They don't teach new age. Just because Satan makes a cheap copy of something doesn't make it inherently evil. I wonder if you think meditation is evil (hint: it's in the Bible). Just because you disagree with something, doesn't make it evil. Pull that plank out bud.
@@rachelg1372 what do they endorse that’s forbidden by scripture?
@@RestoreDavidCMcGuire a cheap copy??? That is where you are wrong. When David says "I meditate on your word day and night" he is NOT talking about Transcendental meditation. It is STUDYING. Satan didn't "copy" things of Christ. There isn't a "counterfeit" or things we need to "reclaim for Jesus." NO. God tells us to avoid any such practices. Why? Because they are wicked, detestable, and rebellion against God. There are no "new age" methods we can use that are "safe" or "Christian"
@@rachelg1372 if you want to take waht I said and lie about it, I'm done with you. You're a hateful person with a lying spirit. May you repent and be set free in Jesus.
My wife came the Christ through good news bible club also. What a powerful work, I'm calling for a revival of good news bible clubs to harvest a new generation.
I was involved with GNC in our local public school. It was such a blessing and we had to stop because of the pandemic. So sad. Praying we have open doors again to speak into these young ones’ lives; whether through Good News Club or other ways.
i am a Pastor from Germany, thankful for this video about Bethel! We are Familie of God, his church!
There are serious issues with The Passion Translation. Please do watch Pastor Mike Winger's series on this, which has scholars explaining why this should not be used. Brian Simmons undoubtedly has passion, but to say those who criticise this so-called translation are not in love with Jesus and have a critical spirit is just unfair and untrue.
Brian Simmons is majorly deceived. He claims to have another book of the Bible which will be revealed to people when he is allowed. That is garbage and contrary to scripture. The verses in the "Passion" translation are grossly distorted from their original meaning. The man has zero translation or linguistic training whatsoever. I have a graduate degree in linguistics and I wouldn't dare touch something like the Bible without several other scholars working with me, and even then I'd think at this point it is useless to do yet "another" translation since they did that years ago and it is quite accurate.
@Dean Agnor hey man, BSSM 3rd year alumnus here. Please don't slander Mike Winger. He's practically the only youtuber I know of who clearly displays humility, a desire to understand and fairness in his discussions about various topics.
His main beef with the Passion is that it calls itself a "translation" rather than a "targum" or "paraphrase" which would be more accurate. His critiques are together with acknowledged translators of all kinds and backgrounds to try and get a varied feedback on TPT. A few of the ones he's had on quite like it, although they all agree it is not a translation, but rather a retelling and amplification of the original manuscripts.
@Dean Agnor I was introduced to him by a fellow alumnus about 3 years ago. My friend shared the video where Mike critiques Bill Johnson's theology.
His points were valid. As someone who has seen hours of Bethel-critical stuff, and engaged dozens of comment threads in defense of Bethel's views and practices, Mike's video about Bill is _the only_ video doing so that I endorse. He showed an effort to understand (having listened to numerous bethel.tv-sermons and being encouraged by them) a gracious approach to certain statements Bill makes, and none of the accusing slander that all others (fighting4thefaith, Justin Peters) partake of at some level.
Mike raises some legitimate concerns without leaping to judgment and condemnation, clearly outlining where he has questions, and where he sees something contradict Scripture and become dangerous. I may have missed something, of course, so I'd gladly watch/read sources you might have that show him having a critical spirit towards Bethel :)
@Dean Agnor I do not think your assessment of Mike Winger's Heart is accurate. I have watched a lot of his video's and he is humble, thoughtful and bases everything in scripture. He has some concerns about Bill and Bethel's teachings, which he voices with grace and truth.
Having watched many hours of Bill's teaching (I love his stuff) since being reconciled to Christ during a Love After Marriage weekend at our church (my wife dragged me along kicking and screaming), I also have some things that I don't agree with Bill about, which is allowed I am sure. I have been majorly blessed by both ministries of these men of God.
However TPT is a major concern of mine after reading it quite heavily for the first year after LAM. It is misleading and subtilty changes the meaning of scripture. I do not believe it should be used as any believers 'primary text to seriously study God’s Word' as the website states.
It is not a 'Jihad', it is a serious study in to the claims being made about a new (seriously altered) translation of the bible. Surely it is right that someone does this faithfully and objectively, particularly given the damage that can be done by studying a bible that is flavored by the translator.
@Dean Agnor I haven't heard him accuse Bethel of putting glitter in the vents, nor deny apostles in the modern church. I think I remember him making a distinction between "the original 12" and subsequent people called by God (in terms of authoritatively laying down doctrine and affirming what's Scripture and what's not), but if you could find, or help me search for these things, I'd love to be more informed :)
Being skeptical isn't bad, btw. It doesn't mean denying something happened, but just having an open, questioning mind. It CAN pass over into active unbelief, but again, that's not something I think Mike Winger is guilty of. I haven't seen where he expresses skepticism of Brian's testimony either (I'm guessing this is part of his nervous breakdown and addiction 5-10 years ago?)
As for Bethel's approach to prophecy, I agree he doesn't give much Scriptural basis for critiquing it, but to be fair, neither does Bethel make a solid biblical case for why we train people that way. There is no Scriptural precedent for "practicing to hear God's voice". There's an aspect of renewing the mind so we can know God's will, but there is a lot of really bad prophecy coming out of Bethel/BSSM-associates. I know, I've been a propagator of it myself :P
"Faith brings answers. Enduring faith brings answers with character". James1:2-4
I’ve always wondered but been following I’m a evangelical charismatic Christian disabled and mentally poorly but Jesus is using me where I’m weak he is strong carers and hospital 🏥,
Heard papa bill a few times but lately been joining the online services on Sundays so blessed tears of healing and blessings ,
I’m allergic to all vaccines and ingredients so enjoying doing church with Jesus ,
Have seen many angels especially when so v poorly can’t wait to get to heaven but trying to enjoy the life he died to give us and for eternity not damnation forever ,
Jesus Yeshua has won the battle ,
This is such a blessing
Loving you all may Jesus always bless you all
Mary Great Britain 🇬🇧
I was raised in that tradition that all services had to end in an altar call. I moved away from altar calls a long time ago because I started seeing the often unintentional manipulation that took place in trying to get people to the altar. We make prayer a central part of what we do as well as time to ask questions and meet with others. We give altar calls if we believe we should but never because its tradition. Yahweh gives people plenty of ways to respond to the message.
The "copies and copies and copies" we have are copied and preserved in such a way that they are most definitely accurate. The scriptures are the best preserved ancient document by far. In fact the amount of preservation and accuracy we have of the scriptures today is truly a testament to the reality of God.
He wants a reason to reject Scripture because Scripture condemns him.
Still the events were written down at least 20 years after the fact. The fact that the copies are accurate says nothing of the accuracy of the content.
@@masterofkaarsvet so in other words you dont trust the bible its self. Theres alot of evidence for the information being accurate as well. Like tons compared to other ancient documents. If you want the details you should read "I dont have enough faith to be an atheist" by frank turek
UNfoullabl!!!
LOVE this, even as a long-time Christian, to hear these Christian beliefs articulated clearly and with humility. Several "Yes, that is good!" moments for me, and several "oh, I hadn't thought of it that way" moments too. Thank you, thank you, for doing this, and may God continue to bless your ministry!
But where is what God has said about this in scripture? I noticed that is neglected and I only hear opinions from man's own thoughts.
I was so grateful to find this video on my RUclips feed. I'm not a Bethel insider, but I've listened to Bill speak several times and I've never heard anything I found to be heretical. Even more, I found a lot of it to be insightful or inspirational. I think most of the concerns and critiques flow from the belief that miracles and healings are for today. Outside of that, I haven't found anything substantial that critics could really hang their hat on that flows outside of most Christian circles. Some critics believe they preach a prosperity Gospel....I haven't seen it. Other critics believe they profess a hyper-grace that is dismissive of sin. Nothing could be further from the truth. Any others?
I also liked how they addressed particular questions that I had. A big one is the TPT translation. I have no problem with their perspective there-> If they're not advocating it as a proof text but feel, akin to the Message translation, it offers insightful context that is consistent with the NKJV and NASB translations- I have no problem with that.
And the section on their Theology regarding sickness and healing was outstanding. While I believe healing and miracles are possible, I still had questions within that theological framework that I feel they addressed well.
Again, I really appreciated this interview and hope they do more. I plan to use it to defend false assertions and misunderstandings cast against them. Thank you!
It’s not only cessationists that have serious concerns about the content of this video...
@@NicholasPaulFranks What, in particular, did you hear during this interview that you or others would have a problem with?
Thanks for sticking through the whole video! There are most to come, addressing more common misconceptions about Bethel. If you want to read more you can go to: bethel.com/beliefs
I have come out of it, I can tell you it is dangerous, it sounds good. SAtan can make things sound good, but not all things that look good are God!
@@mb1015 I would sincerely appreciate examples of where/how they are biblically heretical, if that's the case. I will listen if you have specific examples. Again, one of the biggest concerns I initially had was how dependent they may be regarding the TPT translation. I regard it similar to the MSG translation-> If you're reviewing its content next to one of the other translations like the NIV, ESV, and NKJV translations and find it to be reliably consistent, then I don't see how it's a problem. Do I use it? Very rarely, if ever. Do I find the way they described using the TPT to be heretical- No, absolutely not.
Most other critiques have to do with their belief in the power of the Holy Spirit and miracles-> I'm sure that in striving to be dependent on the Holy Spirit and open to His potential, they may be more susceptible to false witnesses within their congregation (being that dependent and open to the Spirit also demands great responsibility)-> but that DOESN'T mean their leaders are false witnesses. I did a deep pneumatology study of the letters of Paul in Seminary and I was blown away by how just about every one of Paul's letter emphasizes the power of the Spirit among them, and even implies very candidly how the different churches Paul's addressing have already witnessed miraculous signs among them (Rom 15:18-19, 2 Cor 12:12, Gal 3:5). The Gospels, Acts, and other letters (James 5:15) only more firmly confirms this conviction. After that class, I put my faith in trust in what the bible plainly says about the power of the Holy Spirit and I do not see Scripture passages that cessationists can rely on as an irrefutable rebuttal.
But, if there's something else or you feel I'm missing something, let me know. Be specific. Thank you. Cheers.
“We don’t even have the originals, we have copies…” this makes it sound like what we have is unreliable. We have carefully translated copies of the many manuscripts that help us be confident that what we do have IS what was on the original.
Yeah that was a little concerning. I think Bethel does much more good than bad, but with the Scriptures I just don’t understand why they would say what they did. But then again my theology is probably way off because I rarely pray over people and need to grow in boldness.
Yes, I was shocked when he said that. The numerous copies actually help us to understand what the original text was. From this interview I got the impression he was implying that a lot copies meant the Translation of the Bible was less reliable. Maybe I have missed something.
@@user-gx4wi4cv2m Bethels teachings are like poisoned water. Would you drink a glass of water that I put a scoop of arsenic in? Bethel has done more harm than you can imagine, turning Christianity into a circus and making tons of false converts.
@@user-gx4wi4cv2m Dont worry about praying over people- STUDY Scripture on your own- read it front to back and ask God to give you understanding(and mean it). Theres a reason the Word says "my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"
Some of it is unreliable without further study and revelation, of course God can do that for us.
I love the awesome work the Lord Jesus is doing in and through Bethel. Anyone who is truly born again and In Christ Jesus will hear and see HIS work in and through Bethel.
I have listened to people slander Bethel for years, not one of whom has ever gone to your church. Not only did I attend Bethel for 2 years, but I have been so blessed by your ministry before and since that time. I appreciate this series and hope that it closes the mouths of those who speak without understanding of who you are and what you teach. Thank you for your ministry. You have blessed my life and the lives of so many others around the world. Blessings to you!!
Thank you so much! Bless you!
I have heard "Bill" speak in person, Heidi Baker, all of the "famous" ones at Bethel's "sister church" and they are all identical. They build their empire on lies and twisting of scripture.
I’m glad that God has been exposing these things at Bethel Redding and has been turning people back toward Truth.
Did you even listen to this?
This video has many gems and treasures of wisdom. I love what God is doing in Bethel and I am so glad I can learn from them.
I looove everything about Bethel church.
. May Father God keep on blesssing you in Yedhua's name.
While I didn’t agree or was lost on when you were talking about Bible translations, I was so inspired by when you pointed out that many people don’t love God who may be really committed to the Bible. Good point and that is everything! Love is key.
If I may say brother. Part of a love for God is desiring His word and wanting to be faithful to His word. Much respect & love. 🙏
9th June is my birthday. I'm the only surviving member of my family. However Jesus is the greatest gift that I could ever have on my birthday irrespective who is there or isn't there. This is just a treat to hear and learn. Every word is so transformative. Thank you Papa Bill and Dan for sharing these nuggets of revelation that makes me more hungry for Him.
I love BJ and Dan! This is such a powerful podcast. Jesus is the kind of god, God is.
Amen, Josiah!
characterizing the criticism of TPT as only coming from those w a critical spirit or those who don't really have a love relationship with Jesus isn't just disingenuous, it's terribly presumptuous and is, ironically, a demonstration of a truly critical spirit. People, including many charismatics, have honest concerns about Bethel etc promoting a translation that doesn't simply alter the Bible in slight fashion, but shamelessly changes the word of God in extra-ordinary and easily identifiable ways-ways that change the entire meaning. Diminishing the seriousness of this issue by accusing people of having a "religious spirit" is wrong and I hope Bethel will look more closely at this and honestly engage people's concerns.
Couldn’t agree more!
YES!!!!!!!! It’s not just wrong Eric, it’s thoroughly cultic.
Ok so are you a scholar in Greek to know it has deviated from the original text.
@Dean A. attack the man and not the argument, you hold a critical spirit, not us.
I honor Bethel and so love their spirit! And I am Catholic. Come Holy Spirit of true unity.
@Laurie Dzikewich - this passage is probably relevant here:
He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
Matthew 10:41 NASB1995
All the respect in the world for these two gentlemen. The most authentic people I’ve ever met.
Why does Bethel have a "school" that "teaches the gifts" and charges money for it?
"Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him,** “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.**Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you." Acts 8:18-22
You cannot teach the gifts, they are a GIFT from God and the charging of money for it is terrible.
I mean, people go to school to learn how to use their gifts all the time. If you're gifted in businesses, some go to business school to better learn how to hone their gifts, and pay money too.
There's a difference in buying the gift vs learning how to use it.
@@Loudfocused do you think the Holy Spirit is not sufficient enough when He gives a gift? Can you please give me an example in scripture after Pentecost of when the gifts had to be taught?
@@Loudfocused Only God can teach you how to use it.
"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between YOU and HIM ALONE."
Matthew 18:15 (Emphasis my own)
Have you tried Biblical step one?
I'm certain Bill would make the time to accommodate a personal conversation.
Of course you can teach the gifts. If you are going into any ministry at all, you need training. Jesus thought his disciples for 3 years. The prophet Samuel founded several prophetic communities (prophetic disicipleships) In order to become a priest, pastor or a missonary, i would think you needed some credentials snd training.
The charging of money is of course needed to found schools or other ministries. Its not wrong that christians pay for stuff or ministries the receives. Paul charged the churches so he could work as an evangelist. Acts 8:18-22 talks about buying the gifts of the spirit. That is something else than paying for training and services you receive. You my friend are twisting the scriptured a bit.
I’m so thankful you guys are doing this series. I’ve never been to Bethel, but I’ve heard some of the negative stuff. But I love hearing you talk about your beliefs and priorities and thought process and testimonies.
And the statement: “at some point, you have to believe you’re forgiven.” I think I’m finally reaching that point, praise God!
Question 👋. I get the critical thing might be a demon sometimes, but the way it seems critical thinking is presented here as a bad thing is worrying I think (1:12:00) but if like he says, we don't have the originals and it's just Holy Spirit brewing new translations every time a new translation comes... Is it just me who feels it sound a little off that we are supposed to stay away from critical thinking, and accept every book that comes in the name of a bible translation as a new brewing from The Holy Spirit .... ? 🤷🏼♂️
How can it be a new "translation" when Brian claims he has an additional book of the Bible???? That is demonic. John says to NOT ADD to scripture.
@@rachelg1372 - the only statement that I'm aware of from John is when he specifically warns against adding to or subtracting to from the book of Revelation. Is there another statement that he makes somewhere involving all of Scripture? (Keep in mind that the 66 books in the Protestant Bible weren't assembled into a canon until long after he made that statement in the book of Revelation)
"The rightful judge of the earth is actually dad. And that changes everything" Wow, so true! Makes me want to worship
Bethel church is NOT perfect but they are really really amazing and wonderful. I admire Bill Johnson immensely and have been blessed by Bethel church.
So good to hear the story of Bethel and Biblical foundational beliefs. Everything is so balanced and so beautiful with the learning curves given in moving in the will and ways of the Lord. Loved hearing Dan's and Bill's personal salvation stories.
Blessings of the Lord to you all!
Perfect healing happens in Heaven. We can always pray for healing.
Well done Bethel Church! One day all will be revealed of how you stewarded God's grace with honor and excellence for His glory. Amen
Can you tell us your beliefs about the end times, the rapture, and dominion theology.
I'm so thankful for this. Some years ago, I stumbled across Bethel via my sister and came upon teachings and books that positively change the way I lead worship to this day. What resinated with me was a movement that truly accepted no excuse or false doctrines about healing and experiencing heaven on earth and saw results- I'm forever grateful for that.
As tome has passed, I did find myself having to 'defend' Bethel because of so much of what I now know are lies.
People were so convinced and I began to wonder...nobody is perfect or 100% correct, however the lies were alarming. I'm thankful I stayed loyal to see these videos put right what's been said that's wrong.
I also want to thank Bethel for getting me to see that it's normal to experience the manifest presence of God.
May God continue to bless you all.
Hi, I came out of these types ministries and talked to a friend about googling Kundalini and discovered that pagans are doing what was happening where I was going. She listened to Bill, bought his books and their CDs, trusted his ministry. Within a week she called back. She followed thru to search it out. She saw the deceptions, threw out the books and CDs. She went on to searching out Truth as written in scripture and won't look to left or right. Her focus is knowing Jesus Christ, God the Father and God the Holy Spirit as scripture reveals them.
She has no inclination to comprise.
@@merrittascott3323 hey, I actually come from a solid background. By that I mean, my Dad used to be a Muslim and my Mum a spiritualist. They both found God in a revival, where they physically saw miracles, met the presence of a God and were properly saved - this was in Nigeria in the early 80’s. My Dad is now a Pastor and has a 2 doctorates in Theology and teaches on some of the prestigious universities in London and around the world...
Since a child, we’ve been taught to read and study the word of God - properly- so from a child I knew simple things like Jesus was a actually born, the true translation of His name, how to really study, Hebrew etc.. ( I’m 37 now)
I said all that to say that as much as you study, you cannot get around the fact that healing etc is real and should be happening. Many churches etc create doctrines around it and explain it all away and make even our Holy Spirit reduced to some sort of bird or cloud.
I do find that this ministry doesn’t make excuses and experience God.
In London I went to a worship session by Bethel and I knew what we all experienced. Especially coming from a background in Africa where we know the demonic and it isn’t new- I know when we feel the presence of God.
So, you and your friend have your own perspective- thank you- I thought I’ll share mine.
Also, try not to always Google for answers- go direct to the source and ask. So listen to what Bill and team say about all the things you’ve Googled - then make a judgement.
Take care...
@@queenmarytorishe Hi, I have never said I don't believe in healing. I've prayed and ppl were healed. Not each time, but true answer to the prayers. I have friends who also pray and God answers. My own salvation came bc the Holy Spirit spoke to a woman I only met briefly. He spoke to her to pray for my salvation. I didn't know till years later. Boy, it was some journey. Going from no belief to searching for answers in scripture and prayer. It was all happening bc she did pray. When I came to trusting Christ as my Savior, I didn't know where to go to a church. So I prayed, went to the yellow pages of the phonebook, put my finger on a church and called them. I asked, do you pray in tongues in your church?
They do and I got directions how to get there. I had never been in that area before. After service a woman came up to me who had been sitting at the very opposite of the pew I sat.
She reintroduced herself. She was the woman I only met for about 10 minutes. That is the main focus for our prayers, to pray for salvation of lost, the prodicals, and those weak in faith. I am so glad I never came to having experiences, for we only know about the gospel bc it is written and to have faith in what is written..I know that everything we need to know about past, present and future has already been written.
I know that faith is not emotion, but trusting, relying, leaning and depending on the written word of God. Man can teach, but Jesus commands we test it with scripture to know what spirit it is of.
One doesn't have to have college degree to learn. We are already directed how godly wisdom, knowledge, understanding and revelations of the word comes. It isn't IQ at all. It's the abiding in the Vine, meditating on the scriptures.
God made the importance of scripture plain for all to understand
what faith is and what it is not.
Now in these Last Days we have seen many churches being infiltrated with demonic practices.
They have been told by false prophets that it is a new move of the Holy Spirit. Only there is only what Jesus taught about the Holy Spirit that will take place. The spirit counterfeiting the Holy Spirit is Kundalini and yes, I never heard the word before and curious about it ,so I googled it. You are very young and have a long journey ahead, You will have many teachings that you will need to test. Words false teachers and prophets say can sound convincing. Most what they say is biblical, but words are taken out of context and twisted,enough to change what God has actually said.
Revelations gives us a prayer to pray, Father, in Jesus name I ask for ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to me. I'm 77,and have had a long journey. I've been tested to know true biblical faith. It goes with the territory.We all go through the fiery trials of our faith in the scriptures and the God of the scriptures.
Best to you as your love for Jesus is grounded deeper and deeper.
This is a wise video series to make. Well done guys!
Wise? How? Explain
Very wise. They’ve been embarrassed over last few years by one idiotic act after the next. Bethel is probably hemorrhaging converts at this point. Make no mistake. These people are not Bible believing Christians
It'd be wise for them to shut down this "ministry". This series is them denying and fighting that fact.
@@andrezzaf95they have too much money to be made. To support their lifestyle
Thank you for making time to make this series. You are truly manifesting scripture in trying your best to make sure you are not a stumbling block to anyone's opportunity to receive the gospel. God bless you so much. I'm grateful
When people disagree with your take on something and you say they have a critical spirit, you yourself are being critical of their spirit. By your own definition of what the "critical spirit" is, you are operating in it. Instead of looking at the specific points that someone is critiquing, it is easier for you to just say, "they have a critical spirit." and then ignore the actual concerns.
It’s called an Ad Hominum attack - or plainly “playing the man not the ball”. It’s actually intellectually dishonest.
I just wonder why the haters don't do something more meaningful to them than watching this, or just spend their time criticizing a group you hate. Rather watch football or watch your own preachers messages.
@@charishalomvictor Why call me a hater? Are you implying that I hate Bill Johnson? Why would you imply that? It would be just as silly for me to say that you are just a hater of me. All because I disagree with Bill when he dismisses critics and claims they have a critical spirit. I ask again, why have you judged that I am a hater? Please substantiate your harsh accusation.
There are many ways that criticism can be raised, and the amount of love that shines through in the midst of the criticism can have a strong impact on how it is perceived and received. Although it sounds like your perception is that the accusations of having a critical spirit come solely because an objection is made, I often see that type of statement made when the lack of love in the objection is a lot louder than the objection itself. Although some people might level that sort of accusation more flippantly than others, I don't think that Bill makes that sort of accusation flippantly at all. He has to put up with a whole lot of slander and criticism that paints the body of Christ in a very poor light, and in my experience he generally handles it with a remarkable amount of grace. Blessings to you, in Jesus' name.
@@dagman85 Personally I love Jesus, the Bible, Bill Johnson and you the other people on here. That’s why I warned people about The Passion Translation on another thread. Bill Johnson sounds like a nice guy, but he’s not a clear biblical thinker, and there’s real life consequences following his teachings. It’s a slippery slope off the narrow path of following Jesus. I hope you and others take the time to listen to the concerns rather than closing your ears...
Bethel has a global and influential presence and therefore is subject to scrutiny. That is not all bad, that is an opportunity for refining. I came here to listen to Bill's response to the controversy about TPT. Unity and diversity in the church also means understanding the important role of scholars, intellectualism does coexist with a powerful move of the Spirit for those who are humble. Bless you.
I watched Mike Winger 5 part series on TPT.. it was very interesting. Perhaps Bill glossed over the controversial nature of one man's 'vision.... hmmm.. I'm wondering.
@@peacefuldoves yes. I think Bill answered better many of the other topics discussed. I was disappointed to see the TPT controversy was glossed over. I'm not sure if Bill took the time to watch Mike's videos, you can't really equate TPT to The Message or NLT as Bill tried to do in this interview.
@@marionettie9396 hi there, totally agree with what u wrote, I think Bill would gain insight into Mike's video scholars.. its like comparing apples and tyres. Only common thing is stuff, but not like each other. I was a Bethel addict, their zoom rooms caught me.. God called me away. I was getting tooooooo focused on their prophesying, over me. God's speaks, through the Word.
He did gloss over it. Blessings from England 🇬🇧
His response is that the Bible, though the originals were the word of God, is corrupt and the Holy Spirit is sending a correction, and that's what TPT is. Look at 1:12:00 and listen to what he is REALLY saying. Might as well go to the Book of Mormon. RUN.
@@peacefuldoves Bill knows perfectly well what it is. He endorses a new revelation that will support the thinks they do.
Sooo glad you guys are doing this series!! Love it ❤
We are glad that you are enjoying them.
Funny how Scripture warns us in almost every book(certainly all of the New Testament) to beware of false teachers/teachings, yet these guys would have you believe that no one really knows the truth anyway, so we shouldn't be concerned about false doctrines and error.
The Bethel family is praying you. Love you bro
@@brendanarchibeck1714Dont pray for me, heed what I'm saying.
"I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?" I Corinthians 10-13
The Scriptures also warn us about those who stir up division.
"As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him," - Titus 3:10
@@jamestaillon4781 «No doubt there have to be differences(divisions) among you to show which of you have God’s approval.»
1 Corinthians 11:19 NIV
@@jamestaillon4781 Warning against harmful doctrines and false teachers isnt stirring up division. Paul was no stranger to calling out false doctrines and naming false teachers to avoid. Read Scripture and stop following these men, if anything they are the divisive ones by contradicting the instructions in Scripture.
Loved what Bill shared when he made the comment that he preached a sermon on Wisdom that he first sat on for 10 years... Preaching from the journey... That is profound and the way of real wisdom and revelation.
"I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment."1 Cor 1:10
1 Corinthians 3:3-4
Every comment I've seen of yours so far has been divisive.
Why are you choosing to quote this Scripture?
@@jamestaillon4781 haha I was going to say the same exact thing!
@@jamestaillon4781 Is it divisive to warn people about false teachers who are leading people to the path of destruction?
I quoted the verse above because Bill thinks its just ok to just mix all of these denominations and not address their errors. And to blend Catholicism with the Church and allow false doctrines and harmful practices,that are unbiblical to flourish and say "well they just don't believe the same way, no one has it all figured out" is downright dangerous. Its not arrogant to say you know the truth. Scripture has clear instructions for us for a reason. Paul said that if anyone wont listen to the sound teaching and instruction of his letters that we shouldnt keep company with them, so that they will be ashamed, with the hope that they'll turn from their error.
We are warned to watch out for false teachers in every book of the New Testament, a little leaven, leavens the whole batch. Why are you so willing to defend this man? Are you following Jesus or Bill Johnson?
Love you Pastor Bill Johnson! Bethel online has changed my life💗
So 39:11 Bill, there’s no suffering, no sovereignty of God? So concerning. Everyone, learn the Bible first yourself. MOST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT was written to SUFFERING BELIEVERS.
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 ESV
So you are right and they are wrong????
@@janetlanders8220 they are solid!
Very true. Any church that downplays or minimizes Jesus’s command to “heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils “ and takes the power out of the gospel and takes the attention away from Jesus and onto wealth accumulation, good works, or narcissism/pride would fall into the category you are speaking of.
Is Seizing and rolling on the floor taught and or encouraged in Bethel? can we really say this accepted behavior represents God, not dishonors and shames Him? Should the focus be entirely on works and wonders just to distract us from the True LOVE and GRACE of God?
As a somewhat new Christian from Unitarinism, I can honestly say, this Behavior and Movement was ammunition to attack the Evangelicals. We Thrived on such demonic behavior....Im just being honest...Dont loose focus is my point and rid this ungodly behavior and misdirection.
@@gospeltruth3719 have you been? Lol
Love all of it! One thing I've learnt from Pastor Bill and Bethel Church, is the true nature of Papa. I have personally followed Bethel Music and used many of your songs in my own worship leading because of what it does to my heart. It changed our worship leading when we began to focus on the Love and Nature of Papa. ❤️ 💕💕
Vallotton of Bethel also teaches that Adam was a hermaphrodite before Eve and so is God. So are you going to be worshipping Mama God like Bethel does next? Search for "Kris Vallotton God is both male and female"
@@toomanymarys7355 LOL 😂 That was funny. I think what he tried to say was that God has both male and female dimensions which is true from Gen 1:27 KJV So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Watch how the Bible says God's image is both male and female.
Please my friend. Do not disrespect the transcendence and beauty of our God yahweh. We have intimacy with him that is provided by christ which is our new covenant, to call him daddy or papa trivializes other equally notable and important aspects of his character that we should hold in regard. Abba is a reflection of his intimacy yes, but before christ is was an intimacy only afforded in the temple. It's daddy does not reflect the transition from old to the new covenant God has with the body.
@@codymarkley8372 What are you saying ? SMH 🤦♂️
Excellent discussion with great conclusions to aid in understanding your doctrines. I've never been to Bethel but I've heard the good and the bad. This gives me more confidence and I thank you for sharing in such an easy to understand, conversational way. Papa Jack spoke highly of Bill and now I see why. A glimpse behind the curtain was very enlightening and informative. I am going to use some of what I heard here to improve my own walk, thanks again.
One of the greatest God fearing man I’ve ever listened and come across. I pray that God will preserve and keep you to help shape the lives of many!!
Much love and blessings to you, Papa Bill! Grateful for your father heart for the church
This is good and finally I am watching something that edifies on RUclips
Please make this a permanent weekly podcast, it would help a lot of people and be so very great.
In regards to the the passion translation, I think its interesting how they can focus much of their talk on the Holy Spirit, yet downplay someone casually changing the words the Holy Spirit inspired in Scripture. If knowing, following and obeying the Holy Spirit is so important to them, then surely they would want to read and teach the most accurate representation of that they can.
@Dean Agnor Actually, you might want to investigate the TPT for yourself. Brian does a poor job of noting when he is changing the original. In fact he makes the outlandish claim he is citing from the 'original aramaic ' texts. No such texts exist, which makes him either deceived or a liar. Either verdict means he should not translate Scripture. One example of Brian not indicating a departure from the original is Eph 5:22. Its one of many that distort the original meaning to insert his agenda. So Dean your defence is BS and you might want to do your homework
@Dean Agnor so your problem there is you've read the misleading footnotes of mr Simmons. Its sad that he is deceiving you like this. The verb upotasso is in verse 22. Which if you didn't know, means to submit. Its in every early manuscript bar 2, P46 and B. In quotations of Eph 22 by early church fathers, they quote using the word submission. All major English translations have the word or a form of it in there. Yet, you've read the footnotes of the TPT so everyone else is wring and Simmons is right. What was it you said previously about not knowing what you're talking about and doing researching? I guess next you'll claim its not in the 'original aramaic.' Because as we all know, it makes perfect sense for the apostle Paul to write to Greek speaking Gentiles in aramaic. Just in case you miss the sarcasm, you conveniently left out a response to that problem in your reply.
@Dean Agnor really great reply
you are right...give them time ...they will change...we all have blind spots/blind sides/
Really enjoyed this conversation on healing and the belief that it is always God’s will to heal.
Abba Father...The intimate Father... Always+Only+Honor for our Father. He is so beautiful.
Thank God for Bethel.
Brother, I think the problem with this theology of suffering and healing is that you’ve taken a description of the healing ministry of Jesus and made it prescriptive - if Jesus did it then I can do it. Jesus did many things that we will do but there is no teaching that instructs believers that we’re able to heal as he did so we best make a separation. I’m 100% for praying for healing but there aren’t any texts that claim it’s God’s will to heal everyone, certainly not Isaiah 53 or 1 Peter 2. Pray for healing yes but be sure to recognise he has not revealed any promise to heal everyone. Descriptions in the bible are not always prescriptions. Thanks for the video and your openness on the topic!
When I see brother, I already know it's gonna be some bs🤣. I'm not sure we are reading the same Bible. It says heal the sick raise the dead cleanse the leper and says even greater works shall we do and it says whatever you ask in his name shall be given. You totally just gave your opinion that was full of doubt and unbelief to begin with so that's probably why it's not happening for you.
Well brother blah blah blah. Listen to Damon Thompson. He talks about you😆
@@elizabetht9734 The instruction to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cleanse the leper was given to the Apostles, not to the church. That same passage says "don't go to the Gentiles". Clearly it's a specific teaching. We don't obey that portion of the passage do we?
When Jesus said you can do greater works than these it can't mean greater in power. Jesus raised people from the dead and healed the sick. What's greater than that? The text must mean greater in extent, insofar that the miracle of salvation was extending beyond the Jews.
@@carlpahlrobinson oh please it never said stop doing that. It should have continued to grow like it did daily being added to by the thousands. If that's not happening for you it's your fault. It surely isn't his.
@@carlpahlrobinson nothing in that Bible says or even suggests that things should die down at some point after Pentecost in acts2 and the 10 day prayer meeting. You ever sat somewhere and prayed and said you weren't leaving til you had the power from the holy ghost?
Dann did such an amazing job interviewing Papa Bill! Good job!
So much treasure in this video.
Love this and love bethel and l learned a lot from this conversation...❤️ Watching/joining bethel worship services for more than 2 years feels like I belong to this family already and so I'm a bit hurt if there are negative comments about them. - sending love from Philippines🇵🇭
On the bible translation section, I wish they would address the real critisism of the passion translation, how the translation is accused by sound teachers of litrally changing the meaning of some stuff in the bible. So it seems there might be more than just a simpler modern language bible. I felt there was just a lot of talk on that section, and no real addressing of what the serious concerns are about TPT, looking at those portions, and how they defend on still using it 🤷🏼♂️.
Of course not - because they cannot defend using it. When the author of a supposed translation says he magically received extra books of the bible which he'll pen someday when "allowed by God" immediately that person should be rejected.
@@rachelg1372 I didn't know that, intresting, I will have to research and double check if what you are saying is true. I didn't want to doom people for using bad translations, maybe ignorance is the reason and not that they are intentionally promoting bad stuff. Non the less careless. But I am interested to know their side to why. But then again I may have been doomed as a religious or a critical demon by comenting negative 🤷🏼♂️
check out Mike Winger's recent upload about The Passion. He talks about why it is wrong to use. But honestly Brian Simmons openly said the things about another chapter of the Bible on "GodTV" with Sid Roth. It's easily findable on the internet and very disturbing.
Unbiblical practices:: "School of the Supernatural" against the word of God! "Freely you've been given, freely give." Mt 10:5-8. Bill Johnson endorsement of "the passion bible translation " by Brian Simmons who claimed to have traveled to heaven library. He even said he saw John 22 in heaven and almost brought it to earth but Jesus told him " not now". John has 21chapters but we may see John 22 in the near future. You may watch Brian Simmons' interview with Sid Roth' on youtube for more info. We're in the last days. May God help us all! Amen !
@@user-xf3ql1nc7g Thats fine, but to imply that bible schools should be free is not fear I think. There is a lot of costs that has to be covered. Also If you feel like what you have received from the Lord should be given freely? So then preachers will not be given anything for their job I guess, fine (not fine), but where do you draw the line? if you are a plumber, is it not the Lord that has graced you with that skill? Are you not working as unto the Lord in the same manner as a preacher? Should you not work for free then? I think your understanding of that bible verse is wrong.
I heard a man talking bad about the theology of this man, and I didn’t get the same heart of love from the other guy, where’s that’s what I get from this man by the way he talks he has love and reverence for God and His word. Jesus said the most important, (number 1 )commandments is to love our God with all our heart, and our brother as ourselves, to me this is our theology that we must practice first , then seek God in prayer and studying the word to understand all of what the bible teaches us, love your brother , and talk together about God so we can serve Him best in unity, not expose your brother and divide each other!
Just something to hopefully think about. Gandhi was a really nice and loving man, but he wasn't a Christian. I also have thought this before... There are Mormons, or Islamic people, or even atheists that seem nicer than some Christians I know, but that's not the only fruit we are to look at. Does someone faithfully preach the whole counsel of God? Do they preach Christ and him Crucified? Do they preach about sin and judgment of hell, and also the love and grace of God? Bill does not do this in the pulpit, he is saying the gospel in this video, but it's hard to find in his preachings. The man you talked to who spoke against bill, was likely trying to warn you, and there are lots of warnings against certain people, and especially false teachers in the Bible. I also thought like you, thinking we all just should be in unity as a church, but Bill isn't a brother. The fruit of his church, for example, the tunnel of fire and impartations, along with his consistent teachings, are against Scriptures. A good resource is The Messed up Church, and Fighting for the Faith. They disect the teachings of Bethel and similar churches and really.point out exactly how it's against Gods explicit commands in scripture. I hope this helps! Just know, true brothers in the Lord may not always come across loving when they are warning against false teachers. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Paul all warned against false prophets and teachers and seemed offensive. But it was done out of love for people.
Do you think that wolves lead people to their doom by being not nice? Jim Jones was an incredibly kind seeming man. And we know how that ended up. What Bill says are desperate attempts to cover the various acts of witchcraft, necromancy, divination, and Gnosticism that have come to light because of social media. Just because he seems really sweet doesn't mean he won't destroy you.
Thank you for addressing a few specific topics. Will you guys be addressing more of these that have been of some concern or caused confusion?
For example…glory clouds, being “drunk in the spirit,” honey barrels, God “laying aside his divinity and doing miracles as a man in right relationship with God but not as God,” false prophecy, and association with exploitation from faith healers?
I’ve been very confused by some of these things and videos from the church itself, but keeping my mind and heart open for this series.
I would not tell you to "stay far away" from Bethel. But it's a personal decision that you will have to make for yourself. Does the God you know personally line up with them? I'm sure this series will teach you a lot.
@@matthewphilip2606 I’d say not the God I know (although, yes, it is Him), but does it line up with the God of Scripture (Scripture as opposed to other translations on the fringes of Christian, e.g. New World Translation, Boom of Mormon, TPT etc)
@@joshmoore2212 That's fair. You learn God's character through reading His Word though. So in my mind I kind of equate them. Should've been more specific, thanks.
@@matthewphilip2606 totally agree!
@HeatherW290 - Yes! We will be releasing videos over the next few weeks. Stay tuned!
Fascinating the discussion at 13:00. Bill is right to say no one "get it all right". Yet the popular church teaching is that Paul got it all right and his letters to some churches are infallible. The infallibility of the bible isn't scriptural because the bible isn't scriptural. Nor do the scriptures claim that are infallible.
Grateful for this conversation!
So how exactly would a Bethel theology handle the life of someone like Joni Erickson Tada? This is a huge miss for me in speaking of healing. Job's children DIED, they were never healed. Paul asked for healing, it never came. Jesus asked for the cup to be taken from him, yet he ENDURED suffering even to DEATH. God's purposes WILL not be thwarted even if he uses a disabled body person to do it.
Finally!!! So Excited for this!
There was a lot of talking and laughing... but left with a watered down understanding of any substance.
That said, I appreciate the effort and seemingly genuine passion for the things of the Lord.
I believe they’re genuinely interested in explaining an orthodox theological position but they’re lacking a lot of scriptural presentation. I wish they would reference the scriptures that backs their ideologies.
@@Lightylight If they would follow thru with your suggestion, they would notice that God doesn't agree with their mans theology.
Thank you for this! Could you please address Bethel’s view on suffering in more depth? I agree that people like Joni Aereckson Tada should pray to receive healing (James 5:14-16). But the Bible has more to encourage and strengthen His children who don’t receive breakthrough this side of eternity (2 Cor 4:17-18). Understanding God’s sovereignty in suffering was an immense help to Joseph (Genesis 50:20), Paul (2 Cor 12:8-10), Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Corrie Ten Boom, and countless others in the midst of extreme trail and death. In my own suffering, understanding God’s sovereignty has been the one thing that allows me to go to bed and sleep soundly at night.
There is some good stuff here but also quite inaccurate on healing - note that the man at the Pool of Bethesda did not even know who Jesus was (as he later said to the pharisees). He had no faith and yet Jesus healed him. God is both in charge and Sovereign. As Daniel says, ‘All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven ; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”’ Daniel 4:35. Bethel's view is far too man centered. We are NOT 'little Gods'! The Passion Version is not a translation but one man's angled commentary on the Bible. It is not based on the original text and is often 'top of the head' well-meaning thoughts. It is important to be critical of something that is misleading. This is called 'testing the spirits'!
Episode 1 . I see in His people, the willingness to help makes an understanding, simple to the hearer. Now I can point folks to these Episodes it will show you foundational things shared with a Joyful Spirit of God. Jesus Himself has worked very hard to bring forth a people only trusting in Him that Looks unto His Father God taught by Holy Spirit. His Greatest Blessing for you as you enjoy this fellowship with Him in His Body.
May I ask a question from my heart? Does Bethel believe that those who interpret Scripture as affirming LGBTQ+ people are not Christians? I believe there's an analogy to Acts 15, and also that Bethel affirms the entire ministry of women, but some Christians say, "Bethel's view is 'clearly' opposed to the Bible."
I do not think everything the LGBTQ movement does or says is compatible with the Kingdom, but I have had joy in Jesus since I was five years old, and when I ask the Father, "Did you make me gay?" I hear, "That's not the right question - I ask you, 'What are you doing with what you receive?'" After doing my due diligence with prayer, Scripture, reason, and my journey with God, I have been in good conscience for over twenty years.
I love and bless Bethel Church. But I hope if I ever have the opportunity to worship with you in person, I will experience the dignity of being a fellow believer in the real Jesus, even though I know we disagree (and I would affirm that Bethel's support of CHANGED ministry is harmful when folks weaponize it against people like me). Thank you for hearing me, and I look forward to a genuine encounter.
Here is our official statement for LGTQ+ that I think makes clear that while we do not condone the sin, we pray for freedom and breakthrough for all.. www.bethel.com/sexuality
“I live with the awareness that He’s going to adjust things that I think” amen!
This sort of dialogue among church leadership is critical in these days of mass deception. People automatically do not trust. Transparency via open dialogue really allows people to see who you are, and we find common ground with you as we identify with something you have experienced on your journey. More of this please👍
More coming in the next few weeks 😄
This was beautifully put! So much that needed to be said, and you did it in such a humble God driven way. You took your egos out of this conversation! Thanks so much for doing this ☺️
Thank you so much!
Bring Mike Winger on to actually push on your talking points. Your response in regards to the Passion Translation is very concerning, as it has many added words that are not in the original language as Mike winger points out in his videos. Lastly, please use scripture to back up your claims not just your opinion. I was once sucked into the hyper-charasmatic gifts are for everyone movement, but praise God for His mercy to show me the truth of His Word. All other ground is sinking sand.
“His (Jesus) primary purpose in coming, I think, was to reveal the Father”. 23:37. I would offer that His primary purpose in coming was, in fact, to be The Perfect Lamb of God Who Takes Away The Sin Of The World. John 1:29.
Excited for this series! I did first year in 2008/2009 at BSSM.
You most likely wasted your money and was misled.. Sorry..
I love Pastor Bill and his teachings❤️.
I feel blessed 🙏.
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." James 3:1
And yet here you are attempting to "teach" us all. 🤣😂
@@jamestaillon4781 Im literally only echoing what's in Scripture.
@@jamestaillon4781 well you don't read the Bible now do you?
I’m a bit confused. The Son of Man was a divine figure. So to say that Jesus did the miracles as the Son of Man, not because he was God misses who the Son of Man is. It also opens up to bad Christology. What am I missing here?
I am not a theologian but, at the same time, try to understand implications in scripture. Phillipians 2 says Jesus made himself of no reputation - he set aside divinity to become man, he became subject to temptation and overcame as perfect man. He "became a servant" to show me how to live before God.
Rather than say the Son of Man is a divine figure, I would rather think of Him as sinless Man empowered by the Spirit of God. This way, I can partially understand and hold out hope in His example that some day He will call me brother or friend.
Theology says Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man and while I believe this statement, it will take more time than I have to correctly grasp it.
I did not listen to this discussion in the video but have heard criticisms against Bethel regarding this subject in the past - at the time, it seemed like a criticism of semantics with a biased assumption of error.
@@jimjim8253 But here’s the problem: in order to get believers to follow Jesus, this teaching brings Jesus down to man’s level so that man can be brought up to Jesus’ level. It gets it backwards. You yourself say: “This way, I can partially understand and hold out hope in His example that some day He will call me brother or friend.” Friend, your hope for that should not be in how well you follow his example or do miracles. Your hope to be called brother and friend of Jesus is in the shed blood of Jesus. That is all! Anything short of that is works righteousness.
@@jimjim8253 Even as Spirit empowered believers, we’ll never be able to do exactly as Jesus did. That’s impossible this side of eternity. So then how short can we come and still follow Jesus? With Bethel’s teaching, there has to be a line that falls short, but not too short. However, that’s not what Scripture says. We all fall short and all we deserve death for it.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Many people question what is going on at Bethel because of misleading sound bites. Hopefully these thoughful conversations will cause them to question the sound bites.
Nope, Ive examined his teachings myself, and he is so off on everything. And Bill Johnsons books show what he truly believes, he is leading people astray.
There’s nothing Christian about Bethel at all. They don’t know the gospel and they follow a false Jesus….as do many churches today.
I’d recommend you take a look at Scroll publishing here on youtube. He explains the beliefs of the early Christians along with scripture which shows how far off many are today from the truth of the gospel and living word.
This is so good! So thankful and glad you guys thought of this!
I'm love you church community
Is the audio available for download? I would love to have this on my mp3 player to listen to over and over for encouragement and instruction.
This isn't currently available on Podcasts or audio only. We are reviewing the possibility of doing this in the future though.
Just wondering whether Bill has looked at the various Aramaic text translations?
My family is moving to Redding this summer and this video series in going to be so helpful in going through the core values of the community. Grateful for this
Love this! Thanks for taking the time, clarity is so important!
I'll watch all of these before I make a criticism.
Good for you!!!
Awesome! I know it’s just a discussion but I’m still taking notes! 👍✌️🙏🏻❤️
I really enjoyed watching this. I am curious as the name of the Bible for children that was on the third grade level.
"We're wrong a lot and it's okay!" Is the summary of their damage control response. Pretending to be humble.
Great idea for the critics. The fruit of your ministry should speak for itself and the hand of God upon you ❤️
But what fruit has Bethel yielded? A man wearing glasses with a deaf son declaring resurrection to a dead child that stays dead whilst refusing to allow for sickness. How can we square his beliefs with his fruit?
Fruit is men and women coming to Jesus and becoming disciples. Not "feelings" not "manifestations" not business success or even church numbers.