Vingegaard's BRILLIANCE VS Pogačar & Evenepoel
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Vingegaard honoured the new team sponsor and leased a bike from Jan Tratnik! The Circle is now complete.
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I see you do the same with this "leased" comment...
I'm suspicious of JV. Could the Tratnik bike have the motor that allowed him to keep up. He seemed to motor right up to TP and RE. Not likely to be checked at the ride's end.
Hehehe. That’s funny. 😂🦋👊
It's a team sport, Remco just forgot that Jonas is not his teammate.
Roglic survived the first week without crashes. Rog was playing super safe to survive the first week. now really looking forward to see more from him
Roglic is one of the most interesting riders to follow. He seems to have the potential to win any race that he enters. And yet...no Tour in the bag up to this point.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 I do really hope he performs on the mountains he has been smart this week
Roglic is very lucky not to be 4 minutes behind already
I’m team Rogla all the way… let’s wait for week3 when everyone needs the energy to get over the queens…😂❤
Well this was the easy week and he seems to have alrdy some problems. I think he will be dropped hard this wenesday, and never come back to top 10
My heart broke for jasper stuyven ..
Split right down the middle. That was rough. 💔🦋🥲
That's bike racing! But if you don't try you can't win!
I was screaming Jasper!!! Jasper as if can hear my on thr TV screen....it was a bad luck. Hopefully he will get at least one win before the tour is over
So close
Yes, was rooting for him especially because Lidl-Trek had just lost Mads Pedersen to a crash. They deserved some success.
Matteo was fing brilliant today. Visma is so much better coached than the rest and that counts for a lot.
Visma lease a bike had plenty of knucklehead moves this season and this Tour, but they raced well on this stage.
This stage was so impressive!! So much nervous! Bravo Jonas and Roglic!
Amazing stage if they were the only fab4 racing 😅😅😅
If the stage was about Jonas and Roglic it was been so boring, the attacks make the race great, but those tow only attack if they REALLY have to, so BRAVO Tadej and Remco!! Hope that one of this two win the Tour!!
Remco would be the first to complain if he had to ride a colleagues bike for most of the race, and the others worked together -against him. H's such a child
This is Remco's first TdF, where the pressure is so incredibly high. Remember his whole cycling-crazed country and its media are on him all the time. He's very young. He's learning.
As we’re moving deeper into the tour, Jonas Vingegaard and his team are slowly but surely playing the cards better and better.
This is getting more intriguing by the stages.
Yeah I wonder which one of the mountain stages coming up they have circled for all out attack?
@@recrevs963 we’ll have to wait patiently to see. 😁
@@recrevs963 I bet it will be stage 15 or 19/20. They do not have that much shots because team is not that strong this year...
They played their cards well yesterday because they had the riders for it, but it won’t be the same in the mountains, as it already showed before.
I cheered pretty loudly when Remco accelerated, and Tadej looked at Jonas to see if he was going to close the break, and Jonas won the game of chicken. I said, "Yes, make Tadej work!" 🤣 But, as you said, I don't know why Pogi or Remco were surprised that Jonas wasn't working on a stage where it was pointless to work.
And to be clear, I like both riders, I just get annoyed at the unfounded hate JV gets.
They were not surprised at all, they're just playing the media mind game. And that's fine, it's all part of the sport.
Lol. You sound like "I hope remco will do lead out for JV in the mountain"
At some point JV is in panic mode looking back for teammates to help him catch-up with Pogi 😂😅
I would have let remco ride 8f i were pog
It's just human nature: we start critizising as soon as an underdog has been the champion for a while.
Again a great analyse. Thank you Chris. Indeed priority number one: don't lose time. Great riding by Pogacar en Evenepoel, but 100% clever riding by Vingegaard en Visma-Lease a Bike. It's very easy to judge Vingegaard, but it is not easy to ride a tough stage on bicycle that is not yours. Excellent team work by Visma-LAB
I just hope to God that Remco continues to be the red-headed stepchild of the peloton who won’t take ‘no’ for an answer and refuses to go away.
Let's see if that attitude gets him through the mountains
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Mid to medium yes. High altitude is his weakness😂@@roebbiej
I like these always-attacking riders, Pogi and Remco (and I like the more conservative/sniping riders, like Jonas or Primoz). Don''t think the first two spent *too* much energy in this stage / the first week, but really have no idea how the race will shape up and the riders will be in the last 1.5 weeks. It's gonna be interesting to see for sure, could be the best Tour since years or even decades.
@@roebbiejattitude doesn’t gain altitude??
I like Tadej and Remco. But huge respect to Jonas today. He had had everything to lose and nothing to gain and rode with experience and wisdom.
Nothing to gain? Pogacar has 2 teammates sitting a minute behind him, Roglic 20s behind him. Could have made that +2 minutes. Now he needs to watch all three UAE riders, instead of some flexibility. If Ayuso, Almeida attacks, Ving will need to ride/close it (since he has no teammates at that point). I understand he doesn't like to 'gamble' a bit and not riding is also ok in his position, but it is not like he had nothing to gain here. (Now that is ofcourse theoretical, because we all know Ayuso/Almeida will probably not be used that way :))
He rode like any other with half a brain would have.
@@riek5524Well you said it yourself in the last part. Almeida, Ayuso and so on, are not a real threat to Jonas Vingegaard. He is not concerned about them, just like he is not concerned with Roglic.
Thanks Chris for having the knowledge to see it as it is. Jonas is using his strengths with intelligence. The other two might have bigger balls but are wasting their strengths.
Champions do not insult others. Maybe some money has been sorted between remco and pochard but Jonas will show 5hem in the last week I hope. A true champion coming back to defend his title after a bad crash and keeping his mouth shut about his rivals. I have less respect now for poacher and less for neverpool.
Thank you for the first intelligent analysis I have heard regarding stage 9. Finally a person with some insight! So tired of the media trying to make this into a war between the top 3-4.
Great teamwork by Visma........
It astounds me the number of people who complain about Jonas being nothing without his team. You mean.....in a team sport? You mean....on the team that puts the most money, effort, and energy into training their riders to work as a team? Hm. Strange.
Thanks for the coverage this first week, Chris. Really appreciate your input
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Pogacar created chaos and that had to be hard for everyone on the road which counts for a lot. Was certainly fun to watch.
Exactly
Yes, I think he gets tired of Jonas sitting on his wheel so he just tries to stir up the race hoping to shake Jonas.
@@YesNo-zg3tlout of frustration 😊
@@YesNo-zg3tl he is wearing the yellow shirt for gods sake... what did he expect?
Jonas isn't going to attack on a stage that doesn't suit him. 🤷🏻♀️
Matteo j and tratnik really might have salvaged the 1st week for Jonas today. Jonas always has the best possible teammates.
After 2nd in the Dauphine, 1st in Paris Nice, 1st in Dwars door Vlaanderen, and then running down Pogacar for Jonas on this stage ...whatever they're paying him, it's not enough!
@@acem82most important are the mountain stages where uae will dominate jumbo too weak this year.
Well no. With all the injuries/covid at VLaB he doesn’t. It will be much harder the next 2 weeks.
With a big assist from Tadej and Remco who could have continued to attack (or at least follow the stage leaders) rather than just let Jonas drop back to his teammates at ~71km to go.
Rogla true winner of todays stage
And Jonas. It's all to his benefit that they tire themselves out with no reason. They are indeed some big knuckleheads :)
@@tsunemi4869but Jonas had to spend energy, keeping up with Pog, only to end up in the same group as Roglic. Looks like nobody thinks, Roglic is a threat.
100%
Seems like Chris Horner is the only one who is never a knucklehead. All these other podcasters love the attacks from Pogi and Remco but never seem to realize the bad tactics they employ. Horner always giving it to you straight and also thank you for giving credit to Primoz when it’s due. Most people have written him off at this point just because he can’t match accelerations but he’s saving energy…
Some of us also recognise the value of thrill and excitement in the sport.
Boring riders are bad for business 💵
It was bad tactics..but it was 'brilliant' racing and viewing. There was nothing 'brilliant' about sitting on wheels and doing nothing. Smart but boring as shit. Not at all brilliant. That's my issue
Yea, the attacks from Pogi and Remco were pointless- no way they would make it all the way and gain appreciable time. Even if they did, they are spending so much energy just in week 1
@srikrishnamurthy Huh? They caught the break in a matter of seconds. If Jonas had been willing to, the three of them could have EASILY made it to the finish.
@@out_spocken it was absolutely brilliant to watch. But if Jonas doesn’t race wisely, the entire tour will be boring, unless you’re only interested in the Pogi show. Jonas eventually gets dropped. So does Remco, if not today, in the high mountains and Pogi runs away with it. Even with Jonas Sitting in the wheel it still was a brilliant race.
Jonas rode a smart race and used his team very well. Primoz seems to be playing a wily old game and is being pretty smart. It is wise to ride in power-save mode until stages 19, 20, and 21...which are killer stages where the race will be decided.
I’m glad you couldn’t figure out why Tadej and Remco bridged up to the front group either, Chris. Only to drop back again 🙄. I was yelling at Jonas not to take any pulls. I’m glad he knows how to race intelligently 👍🏻. Jonas rode brilliantly today! And his team did great work for him too. Going to be an exciting next 2 weeks!
Was in the lobby for this review since the stage ended
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Heartbreaker for Stuyven. Damn good effort though.
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Learning a lot with Mr. Homer. I'm just a beginner in weekend cycling. :) Thank you.
Same here
Stick with him and you will learn fast, he is very experienced and gives pretty good analysis. Also, go back in time and watch some older vids like Vuelta's stage 6 last year where tactics was the deciding factor in a GT.
Popcorn worthy awesomeness to have Remco in the Tour…
Remco: “…sometimes you also need the balls to race, and unfortunately maybe Jonas didn’t have them today.”
“…I said to my teammates bring me to the first five positions but they didn’t so I wasn’t really happy with that and then I had to close the gap myself…”
“…the motors were riding really close in front of Tadej and it was headwind so they really pull them away so sometimes maybe the race organization has to look at it…”
but...he didn't mean any of the above in a bad way 😉
@@joebriggs8422 Remco talking like this isn't his first TdF, and like he isn't about to be obliterated from the GC in weeks 2 and 3.
@@rlm4471he will be podium…. He clearly has shown better form than everyone minus the 2 gc boys and maybe roglic depending on the day
@codyg269 Yeah, that is my point. He's talking like a real GC contender, not like somebody who might have a shot at the podium.
What...??? Remco: "You're a pussy because you didn't use your bullets to help me and Pog move away out the front so then we can drop you...!!"
Also Remco’s manager to Remco on the radio: “Remember Vingegaard is still on Tratnik’s bike, Vingegaard still on Tratnik’s bike” (=attack because Vingegaard is at a disadvange…) - don’t think I’d come out complaining myself… 😅
Finally someone who understand cycling and knows the tactics involved. Vingegaard did exactly what he should have done. Very intelligent riding even though all the Remco and Pogi fanboys think otherwise. Visma have 2-3 stages in their mind where the Tour will be decided in their favour and this one was not one of them. Call it boring/conservative riding all you want, but its winning races.
A rider who was racing only for a shot at the podium would have worked in that group, but if the aim was to win? No way you waste the chances in such unfavorable terrain
@@m.a.c1379 That's right. Vingegaard is not here to get on the podium - he is here to win.
It’s not entirely about winning races, it’s also about satisfying audiences with exciting racing. Much of the money that comes into the bike industry comes from people who want to be entertained… these people have no specific interest in the technical nuances that interest ex pros. This sport has moved on from the stodgy days of everyone lined out behind the strongest team, it has become far more entertaining for it.
It’s not entirely about winning races, it’s also about satisfying audiences with exciting racing. Much of the money that comes into the bike industry comes from people who want to be entertained… these people have no specific interest in the technical nuances that interest ex pros. This sport has moved on from the stodgy days of everyone lined out behind the strongest team, it has become far more entertaining for it.
@@marcushaysom4059 I kind of agree with you about exiting racing, but in the core market of cycling the audience understands that the excitement won't come from the GC contenders every day. The core audience (europeans) are also on vacation and have time to watch the whole of the broadcast, with knowledgable commentators. They understand that the GC-excitement also lies in what does not happen.
I think that Jonas and his team made a perfect stage. Tour is a 3 weaks race, but every year almost everyone forgets about it.
Anthony Tourgies, has been so close to major classic wins for the last 4 year's. Being a cyclocross rider he was comfortable on the loose stuff and like Brad Wiggins said he picked him to win in the last 5km said, he was the only one who wasn't breathing hard.🎯
I think Pogi was testing Jonas and Remco. Those were both some pretty baller accelerations as if to say "try to keep up" to Jonas nd "good luck with that" to Remco. The goal is to win, not placate the fans and Jonas played it perfectly by being smart. Bravo. Zero sum gain.
Thank you for your great insights, your clear explanations... and for bringing back the word "knucklehead"! Classic work. Glad I found your channel!
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Remco’s manager on radio to Remco: “Remember Vingegaard is still on Tratnik’s bike, Vingegaard still on Tratnik’s bike” (=attack because Vingegaard is at a disadvange…) - don’t think I’d come out complaining about Vingegaard’s reluctance to pull myself.
Also UAE pushing while Vingegaard changing bike.
Karma will bite em back in week 3
They were pulling before Jonas flatted
Vingegard has all the time to change back on his bike. What should the other do? Not attacking all stage because Jonas takes that decision.
@@stefanocavallin6221 not at all - Remco should just stop winning - no complaints coming from Vingegaard. And no Vingegaard had no way of changing to his own bike without getting dropped.
@@user-np1zg3bj3b yes, but they pulled harder afterwards 😅
Jorgensen had great legs. He didn’t gas himself yesterday trying to prove something in the time trial. Smart team tactics keeping Tadej from blowing the race apart so far.
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Two days ago. 👊🦋
I watch six hours of Peacock/NBC coverage and enjoy it. I know it is hard for them to fill the time with comments. Conversely you and your time must spend an incredible amount of time to boil the stages and tactics down so very well into a twenty minute video with graphics that keep me on the edge of my seat for something I have already seen but didn't pick up the detail. Thank you.
Jonas was very smart, by only doing enough to stay with the other GC leaders. A solo attack would have been futile. 🦋👊🇨🇭
With Pog's 45 sec lead won't it be smart for him to draft and cruise behind Jonas?
@@Rambleon444 yes unless he is scared of losing alot of time in week 3 then he would need to gain some more time before that by leaving jonas in the dust
@@Rambleon444 The thing is, that Vingegaard have been better late in the tour before.
So either Pogi has to say, 1:30 is enough im comfortable that even if Vingegaard improves im still better.
Or he has to say, i need more time now so i have a buffer. The actual answer is somewhere between the two.
Pogi and Remco are making this tour exciting but haters will blame them of bad tactics blah blah, great stage thanks for those two, not for the "smart" and boring Jonas!!
@@miscellaneous1979funny you are talking about haters when you obviously are a hater yourself
Have been waiting for this all day long.
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That stage was epic. So fun to watch. Feels like April.
Great work Chris
Another great analysis! Thank you
Well, there's racing to win and then there's racing not to lose. I agree with Remco, when he said Jonas lacked the balls to race.
To you, I'm sure, that sounds amateurish, but to those that follow cycling, we adore that mentality because of the epic rides that we witness as a result. Pantani and Contador are both revered because of their attacking style--and they won, too.
Worrying about what can happen leads to dull, boring racing. I'm not disputing that tactically it might make more sense, but the podium could have been decided today. Roglic could have been put to bed, and Jonas should be equally concerned that Roglic comes to form in the third week the same as we are supposed to fear Jonas hits his.
Im rooting for Tadej and Remco to tag team Visma and Jonas in the same manner Jumbo tag teamed Tadej. They benefitted from having the superior team, and now that they don't, Jonas will have to earn it on his own anyway. When the mountains come, it will be UAE dictating the terms, not VLab, and all of that defensive riding will be for nothing. Here's hoping that Jonas doesn't even make podium🤷🏼♂️
You forget that jumbo visma in the past two years have made the tdf so exciting to watch. 2022 stage 12...go watch it
@@matthillard9363 I did watch it. This year is more interesting because there are more GC contenders than in past years. Jonas will not be able to hide behind his "train". They will not have the superior team in the mountains, which means he will have to respond to attacks on his own. There will be a showdown, so we will see who the best rider in this year's tour actually is. It won't be the best team.
@user-rl4fp4xq6v there are only two contenders. Just cause they say that on the TV doesn't mean it's legit but it sells the show. It's jonas's race to lose but he's too crafty and too strong in the big mountains. Tadej sadly has cracked the past two years at critical moments because he fried his team then fried himself. Should really have rode defensively on stage 11. He could have taken all bonus points and either remco or his team could have outsprinted jonas and he would have opened up more time. Nonetheless it makes for entertaining riding but sadly offers another 2nd place
@@matthillard9363 as I've said to other subject matter debaters...y'all rarely look at the entire context before assuming you know the solution.
First year Tadej won the tour, he did t even have a team. he rode Roglic and Jumbo Visma all the way. Second year, Primoz crashed himself out, so he didn't need his team then either. Third year, and this is where the validity sets in when discussing lack of tactical awareness on Tadej's part, he wanted to prove he was stronger than both Primoz and Jonas, and ended up blowing himself up. It was stupid, and he lost. Last year, the UAE team they brought wasn't anywhere close to the level of this year's team. Has anyone heard from Marc Hirschi lately? He got his money and then decided to become a bum, until COVID forced him to retire from the race. So JV was able to keep putting him to the sword, in addition to him misusing the team he did have, and he lost again--i got it, no worries.
This year he has the best team, although he is still riding like an idiot in certain situations, and if they learn from the mistakes they've made to date, they can put VLAB in the hurt locker--because the team isn't that strong, and I would send Yates or Almeida up the damn road every single day until VLAB were burnt. And then it's mano y mano, and Jonas isn't winning that battle. Not with the deficit he already has. UAE has to be prepared to have Tadej lose the tour in order for him to win it. Jonas' only advantage is he weighs 125lbs. When they go up, they have to come down, and if other riders would make Jonas work--see Remco and Primoz pulling for him when Tadej attacks, then this race would already be over. And you know it.
“I’m not here to give foot massages!” Another classic CH one-liner. 😂
if not for Tratnik, WVA and Laporte, Jonas could've lost a lot of time. And because of that Pogacar and Remco were not able to dislodge Jonas. One of the best stages in recent TDF history! As usual great breakdown Chris!
I love it when you call out as many knuckleheads as possible.
Looks like team Visma is a better team than UAE. Jonas might be able to comeback in the next 2 weeks if the UAE knuckleheadism continues.
Visma has the experience, tactics and discipline to do what is necesary. UAE is obviously the strongest team in the mountains but if strength is not used wisely it is likely to be wasted.
Totally agree, Chris - and I really like your thorough stage analysis 🙂
Perfect breakdown Chris!
Chris, I am laughing my head off on the chesterfield. You called it spot on. Yonas and Primoz were the smartest racers today. I saw nothing but wasted energy and frustration from Tadej and Remco. Good thing they have a rest day for their soigneurs to rejuvenate their tired legs. They will need it for the later stages because I am seeing Jonas and Primoz getting stronger. Big cheer to my country man Derek Gee for getting on the podium and moving up 5 spots on the GC.
Huh? Roglic probably wasted more energy chasing from way behind than Pog did off the front.
Roglic isn't smart ... He was crying for better legs 😅
You know who is laughing? The riders that provide entertainment as they get the big fat contracts. Talking about pog and Evenepoel. Guys who suffer and sit in the wheels don’t get paid as much. You can ride “smart” but most call it boring and not worth watching. Racing is like life: you can “win” in many ways, it’s in the eye of the beholder. Lauding boringness says a lot about yourself!
@@l.d.t.6327 jesus dude 😅
@@Rokkedahl Those who smirk at Pog and Remco and call Vingegaard smart, are not fans of bike racing, simple as that. Vingegaard rode a very smart race, but it's simply not what anyone with passion for the sport wants to see on TV. Applauding boring racing says a lot about what you think this sport should be.
Three cheers to the knuckleheads! Pogacar and Evenepoel are cycling sunshine while Vingegaard wants to take us back to the dark days of Sky.
Thanks Chris, another spot on evaluation of today's race.
I liked "I'm not up here to give foot massages...' thanks, Chris, for keeping a good sense of objectivity and staying true to your perspective, not letting it be warped by personal relationships, sponsor relationships, etc. Telling it like you see it helps all of us figure it out. Excellent analysis. Keep on!
Been sitting here clicking "refresh". This will be good.
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In his post race interview Tiesj Benoot said that because there is a high risk of getting a puncture on gravel and team cars are not allowed behind the peloton on gravel VLB decided that Jan Tratnick would ride the whole race behind Jonas since they ride a bike with the same size and set up. This worked perfectly when both Jonas and Tiesj who were riding together got a puncture at exactly the same spot and Jan Tratnick was close behind.
Smart planning.
As to Remco’s whining post race about the tactics of Jonas, this was frankly juvenile since as Chris says Jonas is not worried about Primoz but about Tadej.
I don’t think that gravel should be a part of the TDF primarily because you cannot have team cars behind so if a favorite gets a puncture and has no replacement bike available immediately as Jonas did then his whole GC race is over.
To those who say there should be a gravel sector I ask you then why not introduce a proper downhill MBT sector?
Agreed... a mbt section with road bikes, no cars... the gravel thing seems gimmicky to me and it's more about if bikes don't have a mechanical rather than skill. I didn't get what was so exciting about it. If any of the favorites had lost significant time to a puncture, the fairness of a gravel stage would be the hot topic.
This is my fav shirt! great content thanks Chris!
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Thanks for expanding on the dynamics beyond the God-in-Yellow.
I think MVDP has his focus set on Olympics. He is going to measure his output, and make sure he doesn't peak too early before Paris.
The Stage: Sharp turns on gravel sections, narrow roads with deep ditches, sections with new loose gravel and ruts, flats, bike swaps.
Race Organizers: “We’re here to help. We’re going to position numerous motorcycles in front to kick up choking dust and low visibility.”
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Thanks so much for your channel Chris, you're the man!
“I’m not up here to give foot massages” …. Love it 😂
Never been this early for a butterfly effect
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You forgot Biniam was the first in the second group and got some points for the green jersey. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Yes, Bini was as impressive as anyone today. I can’t imagine why Horner ignored that.
@@2wheelsgood918 that’s what I was thinking too!
Bini surprised a lot of people yesterday
Like this channel. Buycycle comes and goes almost does not interrupt the continuation of narrative. Well done man!
Yeah I stopped watching wedu... it's mostly plugs for products.
Thanks for the commentary, Chris! Always providing great insights from a former pro who should know what he’s talking about.
To everyone saying this shouldn’t be in a grand tour. God forbid we saw racers race!
There was one puncture from the main peloton as far as I can tell. Non stop action. Peak ciclismo.
I honestly think the race organizers got incredibly lucky that this went as well as it did. I think it's an anomaly versus usually when gravel racing, punctures happen a lot more.
Gravel is fine, in keeping with old TdF roots and current cycling trends. Having motos riding in front of racers, kicking up fine dust for them to inhale deep into their amazingly strong lungs, all for our entertainment, is sick. Film the gravel sections from the helicopters.
Just watch remco interview, i hope roglic end up above him in GC. Mad respect to Jonas and Visma team.
why after watching the interview?
Roglic is saving all possible strenghts for end of wk2 and wk3. He is 2 or 3 steps below Tadej or Jonas however woth his tactics they may burn so many matches and he may save so many that he has a chance. I really hope so 😊
Best breakdown! Thank you
Vingegaard is riding smart. You must realize ONE bad crash and Vingegaard could be out . . . . FOREVER. We must BE happy that he is HERE.
Like any other rider with a bad crash
I understand your defensive racing but do not always agree with it . Sometimes you gotta risk it. If pog-remco-jonas had raced together. Roglic would not have raced wisely. He would have lost a lot of time.
Bora doesn't seem to be a ready team to support Roglic or am i not seeing this right?
Love the straight talk, clarity, insights, and humor Chris, sounds like you're having fun.
Pogacar and Remco wanted Vingegaard to contribute so that they could take Roglic and the others off the GC and make this TdF a 3 rider GC.
and Vingegaard couldn't care less about what they wanted. He knows he has to be clever to stand a chance this year. He is not racing for you and me. But to win. And he knows he is not as strong as last year. So he only have a chance if he uses his brain ;)
Jonas doesn't care about anything other than the yellow jersey. He won't race with the podium in mind unless he feels that he has no chance of winning.
It’s obvious why Remco is frustrated, he’s the only one of those three with a chance of missing the GC podium, and he’s about to get dropped in the mountains. I imagine Tadej is nervous, considering Jonas is at his best in the mountains, and he couldn’t drop Jonas that much on a stage built for Tadej. I’d be sweating too knowing that the skinny Danish mountain demon is coming for me.
I don't know, I don't think Primoz is looking that great, but maybe he's spending all his energy staying upright 🤣
@@ikegrall8466 I think Jonas got into tadej’s head. I don’t remember the last time I saw pogacar firing shots at another rider in an interview lol.
Couldn’t drop him? He dropped him a few times but this is a flat stage. Everyone is saying wait for the mountains but uae has already shown they by far have the strongest mountain squad.
Jonas may be coming for Tadej in the mountains but we’ll see if his team can help at all.
@@J-cz7yv wrong. Pogi needs his climbing team to pull him to Jonas in the mountains. Jonas doesn’t doesn’t need his team in the mountains, he needs them in stages like today. Check the almost 7 minutes Pogi lost by last year. Only a minute and 20 was TT. The rest was mountains.
@@ikegrall8466 lol UAE can just sit back and ride a slow pace. Someone will have to try and make it hard. You get that right? In the past Visma has always ridden hard as hell those days and put Pog/the Race under pressure.
missed the stage yesterday, so knuckheading to Chris Horner
Great review!!!
Remco still keeps thinking of GTs as a series of individual races.
Big picture Remco.
It's not smack talk from an athlete. Remco just isn't as smart as you are.
Remco isn’t made for racing in a boring way. I’d rather have pog and Remco any day and willing to pay for it than watching Vingegaard getting shepherded.
Remco is frank, just like many dutch, germans or europeans as well...
god forbid Remco gets onto the podium...the way he is racing I doubt it!
@@l.d.t.6327 everybody can be a gangster in the flats. How did you like it on stage 17 last year? Must have been really boring for you.
i'm not up here to give foot massages---love it!
Great Video! Better than watching live.. Thank You. 😎👍
great vid chris
So Chris, what you saying is that pogacar should sit and wait to see if visma lease bike takes the race to him or not to try anything at all and wait until vingegaar decides to race one day in the tour that's the only way he can race the only different is he does not have a team for the high mountains like years before he will be isolated this year what do you think
No, he said from the words from TP own brain before the race, that this is a stage not to lose the tour on, but of course since he is so good and full of energy, he can't help breaking his own rule to perhaps try to win. JV was in hospital intensive care just over two months ago and was never raised on gravel as far as I know.
@@fairnooks7047three months bro not two.
@@fangru7294 ah, that makes all the difference 🤣
I appreciate the aggression from Pogacar and Evenepoel and I'm rooting for them.
Absolutely
They are making this tour exciting but haters will blame them of bad tactics blah blah
@@nakawesiabia6311Just because it's entertaining doesn't mean it isn't bad tactics
For me it's just a dream to see top riders riding like this after the horrible years of the Armstrong era. I hope they never change and I hope they win as much as possible in their career
@nakawesiabia6311 they are not trying to make the race exciting, they're just trying to win, exactly like Jonas, so they try to gain time on him where it suits them better.
If you try to remember the last two years, it was Visma animating the race in the mountains (Galibier, Hautcam 2022, Tourmalet 2023 e.g.) when it suited them. And in that instance Jonas never asked for a pull by his rival
By far the best TDF commentary on the internet!
Chris, I’m LMFAO at your closing comment, that you’re not up there to give foot massages to the knuckleheads. Thanks for the humorous and insightful recap.
I get it... a good tour rider is supposed to be boring AF. Like Froome or Jonas. Thank god for Pogi. He made everyone work. Maybe not as much as he did but they are mere mortals. Side note, Peacock commentary is absolutely horrible. Phil doesn't know the riders and Bob called the gravel sectors cobbles. I think this is the only cycling they watch all year.
It was so easy for the three big guns to catch up with the break away, why it was hard for Bini and MVDP to catch the breakaway group?
Thank you, Chris for this great analysis!!! I am realizing how many people simply do not understand tactics of stage racing, particularly in a grand tour. Chris, you did a great job of explaining WHY what Jonas did was so smart. Racing is about saving energy so that when you need it, you have the reserves to use. Evenepoel has always relied on his brute physicality and it will come back to bite him. Tadej races with his emotions and tends to go too often and too hard. He has had a brilliant spring, but I wonder if his antics will catch up with him eventually.
Patience, timing , and tactics are key. This is something that Jonas has demonstrated so well over the years. Some say he is boring, but he knows how to race. We will eventually know if he is totally recovered from his injuries and 100% fit. I personally do not think he is, but he is definitely racing intelligently.
You are the best, Chris. Spitting truth
I think people are missing some of the point though.
It’s smart that Jonas didn’t pull if you’re only looking at the scope of the top 3, but I think the point of that Tadej and Remco working together and expecting him to work was to secure the top 3 of the podium in TDF. Had they worked together, the 3 of them would have likely secured the podium and vanquishing all the other GC challengers by creating a giant gap . Between the 3 of them and someone like roglich and Ayuso on 4th and 5th.
Alas I’m hoping for a crazy next 2 weeks in the mountain stages !
One point are that if those three had taken the lead Pogocar would have had enough explosive power left to make the last one and gained time on Jonas THUS that would have been the wrong thing to do.
If Jonas has been stupid enough to take the bait, Pogacar would have attacked as soon as he was isolated. Jonas is not concerned about anyone else besides Pogacar.
WVA and Laporte came back so many times I lost count. And Boise saved Jonas' bacon, too
WvA was UNREAL today with the amount of work he did on the front, then going back to get bottles, then going back to work on the front, etc.
Yes they did. Riders out there today had nine lives. 🐈🦋👊🔥🇫🇷
@wildly_heather Exactly why he needs to leave Visma. So he can stop being Jonas’ bitch. He has so much potential that he has to waste on Jonas.
@@wildly_heather when isent he something special! i want a race with 10 WvA's :D
@@2wheelsgood918 he recently renewed his contract for 2 more years :P
Brilliant coverage! What a razorsharp mind this guy has for breaking down stages.
Kudos to Jorg, dutiful teammate with all kinds of power and fitness. Jorg will be Jonas’ biggest asset to reach the podium. I don’t believe Jonas can drop Pog on the steeps like in previous years given his lack of racing/training, but he will keep the TdF very interesting.
Tadej played cat and mous with entire peloton and infused some fun and humar in, othervise, deadly boring Tour de France up to this point. Way to much boring sprinter's stages. Fortunately, mountains are comming!!!
Most of this tour except for the first couple of days was a snooze fest
Watching The Move on RUclips with those knuckleheads. 😅 Then I saw your feed pop up showing your latest insights into today's stage. So, I quickly changed the channel. Thanks, Mr. Horner. After this show, I'll watch JB2 and get Mr Johans' insights.
They’re the only ones with common sense. Everyone else just speaks from emotion and excitement. Never really analyzing the race or tactics throughly.
The Move is basically non stop product placement…this is where the real analysis is
@@jareddanaraj9017 Just fast forward 4:30 seconds every time there is an ad. You still get a good 15-20 of race coverage, minus the formula show stuff (Q& A, trivia) at the end. Horner is a better analyst, but I'll take Butterfly Effect and The Move (in that order) over anything available on the web.
@@ShibaInu154 thanks…yeah these days I do that…but still damn annoying man…I get the need to make some revenue…but not to that extent that it sours the viewer experience. The Move with Johan is much better.
Hope you enjoyed it 👊🦋
Jonas was Karate Kid, Ali doing the rope-a-dope, and Rocky all in one, taking the punches and being the hunter, not the hunted. He has to play it that way because he's the underdog due to his injury, and his team is brilliant in adapting to the reality of this year's situation.
Loving it, I'm not here to give foot massages! You're the king Chris!
I just checked the contract and it clearly says that Chris is here to give foot massages.
On our way home to watch, looking forward to call outs on knuckleheadisms 👍🦋
😂🦋👊🏡🧸
Vingegaard 's goal was achieved, he wanted to arrive on the first rest day without losing to many time ,now if is shape continues to improve, on the big climbs is the terrain where he can play his card ,but when he doesn't have competition since his crash on April the 4th (stayed 14 days in the ICU )he isn't sure how good will be is performance by end of the 2nd week and 3rd week, because he knows those are the stages that could decide the tour and the podium, with a bonus on the last stage, a ITT with more than 33km which includes a mountain category 2 in the race !! He is forced to race day after day and take a look at shape, and start from there!!
Too much time instead of to many time.12 days in the hospital not 14 and not all of them in the ICU .
@@hectorr.rodriguez3446 Lets have a round of applause for our english teacher.
Really wish we had the Jonas and Jan bike switch on camera…sounds like it was well planned and probably a lot calmer than that change a few years ago 😂
They practiced it in training earlier in the year and Jonas even rode Jan's bike in training.
@@NothingtoSay9817smart team
Matteo said in his interview that they knew Jan had to ride next to Jonas because of that switch. It was all planned that way in case something happened.
@@wildly_heatherthat’s why Visma has been so good in the grand tours. Tend to race tactically sound and have a smart team around them
I bet it was. Jan looked calm as bomb. Probably thinking. My job is done for today so I will just pedal in easy. Good luck guys. 🤪😂🦋👊
Super stuff yet again, from the best in business..Chris the man!
Love your analysis and commentary Chris! “I’m not here to give foot massages…”😂😂😂
Ive had a collapsed lung. All that dust cant be good for Jonas. Honestly, i dont get it. I dont really have a favorite but the gravel has less to do with skill, more about body weight and if the bikes hold up.
Do you think JV really had a collapsed lung and got in better after only what 3 months? And after this gravel stage his lung didn’t go temperamental with all the dusts he absorbed? This sport is all about mind games just like a chess board game