Takeaways from Supreme Court arguments on Trump immunity claim
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2024
- The Supreme Court heard arguments Thursday in Trump v. United States, a case weighing whether former President Donald Trump should be immune from federal prosecution for his actions while serving in the White House. CBS News' Jessica Levinson, Jan Crawford and Scott MacFarlane break down the historic arguments that played out in court.
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It was all just a delay tactic
I agree. The USA Supreme Court is no longer impartial. They are currently siding with former President Trump it appears with delay tactics.
A delay tactic that the compromised SC went along with. Shame shame!
Jack Smith goes home everyday.. pulls his tie off as he enters his mancave, ties it around his head Rambo style, and starts methodically sharpening his bowie knife while doing 1,000 sit ups
@@WackadoodleMalarkeylmao maybe one anyways..
They are waiting to see if Trump wins so they can give him immunity, but if Biden wins they won't.
The US Supreme Court seems to be debating the absurd as if it is a question if 1 +1 = 2. This is a charade in order to delay for Trump.
Disgusting!
Corruption on FULL DISPLAY!!!
No one is above the law. Biden needs to be charged fir his blatant crimes, the border and student loans. Hold him accountable, and no more 2 tiered justice system.
What total BS!!! What happened to no man is above the law?
MAGA 2024 #TrustTrump #TrumpIsMySavior
@@KarenWytte lol u can be his penpal while he is in prison
Oh if they give Trump full immunity for being President. That would automatically give Biden full immunity as a sitting President...😉🌊🌊🌊🇺🇸#BidenKamala2024
@@KarenWytteYeah Trump won't get full immunity that would give Biden full immunity right away as a sitting President. Then Biden could play dictator for one day with that kind of power. Also with that kind of power Biden could fire the whole supreme court...😉
@@KarenWytteYou are in a cult!
This crap IS INFURIATING!
I despair
No one is above the law. Biden needs to be charged fir his blatant crimes, the border and student loans. Hold him accountable, and no more 2 tiered justice system.
Once again justice delayed is justice denied.
STALLING while knowing Trump ain't immune.
@@KrustyKlown Yet they pretend like they don't know a president isn't above the law.
True!
I’m curious: is allowing a senator whom KNOWINGLY stole classified documents (senators have NO authority to declassify) for 40 years off the hook because he’s a “well meaning elderly man with poor memory” justice delayed/denied? Just asking.
@@SJones11b "stole" requires intent ... no intent evidence has been produced for Biden, and MUCH exists for Trump, especially when after stealing the docs he obstructed their return. There is NO comparison between what these 2 clowns did.
The problem is that SCOTUS could have just said "no" to absolute immunity months ago. It doesn't seem reasonable that ANY of the charges in the DC case will be subject to immunity. If SCOTUS just wanted an academic exercise to define the boundaries of presidential immunity, it could have been done WITHOUT delaying the DC trial.
They should have agreed with the lower court. It sounds like the court is helping Trump delay the trial so it doesn't happen before the election.
It's called favouritism beyond absurd
Given Trump full immunity would give Biden full immunity right away as a sitting President.... That's not going to happen with that kind of power Biden could fire the whole supreme court...🤷♂️🌊🇺🇸
Trump has the Supreme Court in his pocket just like Don Corleone had all those politicians in his pocket like nickels and dimes
impeachment is meant to hold presidents accountable, right? senate did not impeach
Impeachment is a political process. Prosecution is a legal one. They are different and not dependent on each other. I don't understand why the hell this is even a discussion.
Agreed. Neither do millions of intelligent people around the 'civilised' world. The US is sick.
Because in this instance they are BOTH political prosecutions.
This isn’t about answering many of these questions. It’s more about delaying any trial for SCOTUS majority.
Yep. They are CREATING questions to mull over in order to delay the trial.
No one is above the law in the United States of America… period.
Trump is. The US Supreme Court has just said so by freezing the case against him.
If you believe that you’re out of your mind.
except the dem
except for the dems and biden! fjb.
MAGA Court: hold my beer
It was all about delay. delay, delay 😡
The US Supreme Court is no longer impartial.
And SCOTUS was complicit.
GOOD😆
That they even took this up proves they are a kangaroo court. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
Agreed
Agree, No one is above the law. Biden needs to be charged fir his blatant crimes, the border and student loans. Hold him accountable, and no more 2 tiered justice system.
Or that you don't know what the law says.
_"In United States law, absolute immunity is a type of sovereign immunity for government officials that confers complete immunity from criminal prosecution and suits for damages, so long as officials are acting within the scope of their duties."_
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NO IMMUNITY!!!!
Wasn't Biden described as an elderly forgetful man having documents in his garage he got immunity didn't he?
As a non American, I can only say how glad I am not to live under your justice system. More than 3 years after J6, the architect of that insurrection is not only still walking free, with no sign of a trial before the election, he is also one of the contenders in that election!
So much for "No one is above the law", it's actually the justice system which is enabling Trump to be above accountability.
And what is your nation? Allow us to study your justice system for good ideas.
Are you paid in dollars, rubles or vodka?
Where are you from?
There was no insurrection. Educate yourself
The wealthy are often above the law!
Why is anyone above the law???
True
Because your religion & patriotism has trained you to worship capitalism.
DONALD JOHN TRUMP TRAIN🚅🚋🚋
@@david4096 Your answer does not resolve the question.
For almost ten years republicans have shown us that they are above the law.
Even considering the Republican viewpoint, that a US President has to be impeached before being prosecuted, what stops a sitting US President, who lost the Presidential election in November, but is still in office as President until January, from doing whatever he or she wanted to do without really fear of being impeached before leaving office? Get out of jail card, full immunity for any and all crimes committed in that time period? Really?
Also when you look at the fact that we also had a corrupt and willing accomplice in the GOP to allow him to get away with his crimes, proves we need laws to protect us against a rogue president and party!
The Supreme Court of United States of America, all the conservatives just about oh Donald Trump a favor because in America favoritism is what wins you over. They owe him and they will pay him. Donald Trump will get away with this crime and that’s just the way America is built today the Supreme Court of the United States means absolutely nothing to me anymore.
Thats not what the Constitution lays out . Treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors are the predicate CAUSES for impeachment . Not The reverse, as trumps team argues .
Including refusing to leave office.
🎉u
If scotus rule potus has absolute immunity what's to stop Biden from having trump taken out.
Or shutting down the Supreme Court???
he is trying ....weaponizing the DOJ , meeting with fani , wake up
All you lefties have is "what if"
Hello? Seal Team Six?
No one is above the law. Biden needs to be charged fir his blatant crimes, the border and student loans. Hold him accountable, and no more 2 tiered justice system.
How dumb are these people? and they are in charge of the legal system of this country...unbelievable
Its worse. They are non dumb but unscrupulous.
They aren’t dumb. They are dangerous.
You are not getting the answer you want to be true…therefore it must be wrong. Amazing….
People really need to go back to grade school and learn about their country and how it works O_o
Amen to taking people out of Universities and sending them back to 3rd grade history lessons. Some comments are stunningly ignorant.
@@catbranchman01 amazing, you think you know the law better than these judges...lol
The problem is, there are way too many corrupt Republican judges on this bench!!! 🤨👿
Not really. SCOTUS has ruled against Trump something like 29 times out of 30 cases, and only ruled for him on a small part of the 30th case.
Five of them 😞
@@lqr824they’re not worried about facts, when they can villainize Republicans
You are corrupt. I need you off this comment section
Too many corrupt democrats in too many positions of power.
He got his wish..delay..delay..delay.
At the same time Trump's delays, invited more evidence! All his gameplay rebounded against him.
Why does the Supreme Court think that the laws governing presidential immunity need be spelled out in detail to apply on the one hand... yet the 2nd Ammendment being completely vague on the other hand is good by their perspective? WTF? Which is it? The only thing that this Court has going for it is that they have mastered the art of twisting words to suit their needs.
You are so right. These 'justices' are worthless Maga stooges.
Agree
exactly.
It seems to me that all the SCOTUS needs to say is the a president does not have absolute immunity -- then leave the rest for courts and juries to decide on a case by case basis.
They're probably going to review any charge against a former president. They should've just agreed with the lower court here.
No one is above the law. Period.
2 tiered system....democrats are above the law. lets not prosecute biden because he has bad memory,,,,come on man , he wasnt even president when he took all his documents over 40 years
Except the President of the USA apparently.
The fact they are even debating it is insane. These justices weren’t put on the bench for nothin’!😢
Dems are apparently above the law
Except for Biden
Can you believe we've come to the point in this country where this is the argument? Can the president do whatever the f they want and get away with it?
If it's a Republican yes
Biden is
Fascism 101 : subvert the judiciary. Job done in the USA
@@mikemiller3565trump did too. Maybe Biden will have a rally on January 6. 25 (if Biden loses) and storm the capital too.
sending votes back to states because of obvious irregularities is not so bad
There's NO reason why the D.C. trial can't go forward while the SC figures out where presidential immunity begins and ends. Tfg's lawsuit was asking for BLANKET IMMUNITY. That shouldn't even be a THING.
Indeed
We are more concerned by zero immunity.
@@patrickh6291 Only if you are a criminal do you even need immunity.
When we have a court that is beholding for their jobs to the plaintiff we may see a biased ruling?
Why is there a Dalek giving the argument for Trump?
😂 I needed this laugh . Thank you
“Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President.”
The SC considers Trump as either the Messiah ( above the law) or the Fuhrer (= the law) . I am so pleased I live in a rule of law country ( France) and not in a lawless ( subverted judiciary) place like the US
Good on Sauer that he can spew his BS without breaking character and laughing and the ridiculousness of what he says.
A disgrace that it's even being considered. The social agreement is in pieces.
So agree
Agree. No one is above the law. Biden needs to be charged fir his blatant crimes, the border and student loans. Hold him accountable, and no more 2 tiered justice system.
Biden needs to assert absolute power ASAP
Right…Biden the current President would benefit most…he is the sitting President…could he insight insurrection to stay in office?
I’ve said this all along. If Biden held a press conference to ask the American public if as POTUS he has absolute immunity to exercise any means necessary to stay in office, the SCOTUS would immediately rule.
Biden provided over 21,000 bombs to Israel in the last 6 months ,35 ,000 dead in Gaza
@@camsak8713 No and he wouldn't ever think of it.
@@horatioalbert1363 I know. But I think MAGA forgets….when they support Trumps demands for complete immunity…strike Trump’s name and insert Biden…Obama too. Tell them if Hillary ever became President…Trump thinks she should have complete immunity. See their reaction.
The maga court is going to pull it out of their arses to get drumph off...
Fact.
Fact.
Bet your sweet 🤬
Fact.
Fact.
Consider the following:
a. The impeachment clause in the Constitution is whether or not a person retains their position in the Government.
b. The justice system determines whether that person does it from jail or not.
SAUER IS ANNOYING TO LISTEN TO LIL WEASEL
Should Biden apply Trump's Legal Theory and send him to Guantanamo
Biden should announce that he has Seal Team 6 on standby, awaiting the decision of the court...
Actually, this is a good question to answer for our democracy going forward. Too bad that the whole matter at hand is geting delayed.
this is what happens when one rich dude owns half of the scotus.
Yes a good question going forward but... tfg's case is whether he has complete immunity. It's a given that he does not. Or he SHOULDN'T. So why can't the D.C. case move forward while the SC hashes out all the rest?
@@steelmagnolia57 The current charges in the DC case could need to be modified or changed depending on what the court says about immunity.
It's not. It's so egregious it does not serve as precedent for anything.
@@cynicaldudeMe the US judiciary has been subverted
When you fear integrity and accountability, you are no longer the good guys
The three Trump supporters should just go home. Being loud doesn’t make you seen. It makes you annoying.
What about the loud Dems???
We do need stronger laws because the supreme Court ain't doing too good of a job right now.
Some of them are taking a lot of other people's money from billionaires and all these other perks.
We need to draw up ethical laws of standards for the judges also let's work on that one too Congress. We need to make our country stronger. Not weaker
Yes
Why would immunity be given to ANY president? THAT would only open a “pandora’s box” of actions that a president would take. And walk away after the president term is done. Scott free and leaving the Constitution in question.
And you yourselves know a potential president could just do anything they wanted to without any consequences.
Yes. Just like the Fuhrer in Germany 1933-1945 The judges let him do whatever he liked, and he did.
The US is lamentable! Politicians nominate judges? What could possibly go wrong?
Funding two wars while we let our people starve vs peacetime and stimulus for those who struggle .
Why is Clarence Thomas still on the supreme Court I thought he was supposed to resign
He, like Trump, can do anything he likes
If you limit Presidential immunity, then Congressional and Judicial immunity will be brought into question. Where in the US Constitution is Federal Judicial or Congressional immunity granted? If it's not granted there, these branches don't have it. (10th Ammendment)
The Pardon power is a dangerous one.
It is a stupid one. Who made up this nonsense? - Judges being political nominees? Presidents being able to pardon anyone including themselves? This is nonsense!
I couldn't listen to it because that justice sounds like an evil robot person. Extremely grating on the mind.
indeed he is
SCOTUS is complicit.
Word salad of poppycock by Mr. Sauer.
Ide imagine if he is tried charged. I feel like some other presidents may get the same deal.
Nixon was GUILTY or he wouldn’t have needed a pardon.
Indeed. It is so simple.
that clearly wasn't an official duty like securing elections...and Trump doesn't need a pardon
Trump is guilty or he wouldn't be seeking immunity.
@@Rainbow-eb1vc You can also say that he has to spend his time campaigning instead in the courtrooms and therefore he had to invoke the immunity.
@@kudr66 The Justice System does not care about your personal plans.
Trump should be off the ballots until this issue is resolved. Or the Supreme Court could quickly make the obvious decision that Trump's coup was not an act of office but a crime, and after that take its time resolving other cases.
Do anyone really need to even think about if a president is above the law? No.
@@horatioalbert1363 The Supreme Court if the US need to take months ...until Nov 5th at least to consider this matter.
This man has to much on his legal plate to lead the country he is truly Compromised. I am a Marine Corps veteran i love this country vote for you future AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD PERIOD
If the SC gets its way Trump will be exonerated for everything.
It’s not. It’s hegemony is dying, you are now living in a multipolar world, you are $34trn in debt, on the league tables you are falling behind on nearly every important metric including health, education, even your life expectancy is dropping. It’s time your government focus on the problems of America and stop creating wars elsewhere.
A nation's Supreme Court must be completely impartial and reflect the overall aspirations and general will of the majority of that nation's people and not the will and aspirations of those who appointed them to their position!
Also,
Here in Australia, judges and magistrates are not political appointees and must retire at age 70...
Trump has already exercised immunity. If it was me I would already be in jail.
Even if one were to accept that the Supreme Court perhaps a duty to establish the boundaries under which a president might have some immunity how they can feel comfortable with letting the election happen before the public gets to hear evidence and know whether Trump is either innocent or guilty of trying to subvert our democracy is beyond me! Send the Trump case back to trial and write your fancy opinions without delaying the Jan 6th case any further!
Very well argued thank you. Unfortunately the US has become non democratic and insane.
While they are searching for "the line" any rational person with any regard for the Constituion, the law, and this country knows that Trump crossed it a LONG time ago.
it wasn’t that convoluted. Civil suits are one thing, but when it comes to criminal liabilities, no one in our United States, is above the law. Regardless of power or position, responsible citizens act in accordance with the laws.
Such simple things sure can look complicated when you ask a room full of lawyers that can't control themselves to decide anything!
There is no case to have in front of a court of law! The constitution states that all people of the United States are created equal and are to be treated as equals according to the constitution that that governs the nation and its citizens! If the law provides complete immunity only to the citizens that are elected president then there would not be any restrictions to the ability to hold the office of president. Because the majority elected person that gains the presidency would not be able to be held to the legal authority and standards that govern our nation and the people. The constitution and the laws are the most restrictive reason for our constant inadequacy to properly govern the country in a functioning and adequate way to achieve the social conditions that are the current state of our democracy. The constitution has been altered in the past addressing several new amendments. Though most of the amendments have benefited the corporate interests and the people are not being provided with the same ability to be the authority of the nation allowing the government and corporate interests the power to overturn the laws that we have fought for to protect us. The government and judiciary are playing with fire by holding the people from being able to control the laws that are the basis for the criminal and civil codes. The supreme courts want to make the constitution the ultimate guide for the law and order of America. The problem is that if that is the standard for laws being enforced and broken then every law that congress has imposed on the people are not legally enforceable by any law enforcement agency or the Supreme Court itself because they didn’t exist in our country for a very long time!
If DT wins his immunity the USA as taught in schools is over.
This is a mockery. Scotus should have never taken this case. We do NOT have kings in this country.
a clear example of over-thinking and over-analysing
Excellent and professional work by Jan Crawford. She continued giving her report once the loud and annoying group began making alot of noise. She was unaffected and perfect as usual. Good work Jan!!
Outrageous the Supreme Court has brought us to this point. Very disturbing. They shouldnt even be discussing this. Shame on them.
The Federalist Papers make specific reference to criminal prosecution of a president as an individual. Why is convicted by the Senate a requirement? There does not seem to be a wader process of senators to challenge/weed out a jurors' bias? And how can this even work when there were no federal political parties when the originally adopted constitution was written?
Im going relish the day when this comes back to bite the left in the a-- 😂
That fix is on
I would cry if I had to listen to this lawyer talk all day.
jackson gave the best argument for creating the test on a “vehicle that would allow us to test it….” because this case is massively on the side of personal acts, and even trump’s lawyer conceded it!!
The S.C. even TAKING this case proves how broken that court is, at this point.
The Washington DC Appellate Court already dealt with this matter. Are these Supreme Court Justices more Intelligent than those who already dealt with the matter at hand, just because they were appointed by a political entity?
This Supreme Court should either Agree or Disagree with that Washington DC Appellate Court
Insurrection is not immune
Your talking about Nancy's Insurrection? Expand your horizon, you'd be amazed by the beauty of facts.
Trump was not even charged with
Insurrection.
@@CoraDotsonhahaha
@@CoraDotson November is gonna be rough on you I think.
The SC have said it is.
trump strategy ! delay , delay , delay !!!
The president of the United States should have to follow the law just like everyone else. A president should not be allowed to pardon himself. The courts have always decided what is legal and what is not and it is no different call for a president of the United States
So right ...but these slimy characters want a Fuhrer
I don’t know how you give anyone absolute immunity.
A Supreme court decision for absolute immunity will not keep him out of prison for life , if the state court jury convicts on their state charges. Justice will be served if true justice prevails.
True justice won't prevail re Trump
Scotus justices are playing the same game . Delay delay
The questions and answers were fair and seemed unbiased..👏However the inimical paltering of Scott's opinion, oozes w/schadenfreude.
Yeah but somehow they didn’t want to hear it in December. 😂. We all know this is a smokescreen and delay tactic.
Why not establish a ruling where every current and future president is subject to criminal prosecution, while providing immunity to every former president?
That way Trump gets complete and total lifetime immunity while the current president and any future president (aside from Trump) can be prosecuted? It's a Win/Win/Win #MAGA
I think you answered your own question there Karen. Win-win for the biggest crook ever to besmirch the White House.
You can count all 10 of the brain cells in this comment section
All it is was if it was a personal choice or an act of the government.
Bad choice of where to set up. Competing voices.
Its not democracy silly goose its the republic.
Trump: Originalist Ben Franklin -> immunity
Difficult line to draw = immunity for official or private acts? What are official acts?
This guy's voice irritates me he needs some DayQuil haha.....
Yunno.............What COULD be beyond the law is "THE VOTE" Go get em again AMERICA...............It is up to U.S.
So Nixon would have been fine according to the DALEK. Monstrous proposition!!
There's good and bad in this world, and the difference is not very hard to make.
Someone should take the Supreme as?;($)s to court
Two of the Supreme Court Justices will need time to consult with their billionaire buddies that give them loans that do not have to be paid back and expensive vacations.
Yeah we're working a criminal for a criminal act.
Not just a civil act.
Yes let's complicate this issue, why can't we address each issue knowing that each one may have grey areas is the Supreme Court that busy?
With Nixon. It was just to keep people from trying to charge and jam up the courts.
Pumpkin head is making our justice system look like fools. He did it. We watched him do it. Just say he did it and punish him for it. Any one of us would already be serving time. Stop letting him punk you out cause you're too scared to say what we all know to be the truth.
Trump: Originalist Franklin => immunity.
Blanket immunity out => Chutkan is back on. Pressure on Aileen Cannon.
How draw line btwn officiail n pvt acts?! => No decision till June?!
So what’s the rush about?
Clearly, US Presidents cannot be prosecuted for acting under the law, official actions/duties. In the extreme, President Truman couldn't be prosecuted for bombing Hiroshima and killing thousands of Japanese. In the opposite, a US President cannot order political opponents to be prosecuted or killed, unofficial actions. The question here is whether Trump's inciting the 1/6/21 insurrection/attack on the US Capitol disrupting the Constitutional process, causing severe damage, and injuring many was an official act. Clearly it was not, beyond any reasonable doubt.
Jack smith says absolute no immunity..
What goes around comes around keep that in mind
Theyre stalling
What an eff……
Clown Court!!
Roberts and his
co-clowns should have passed the case. Even middle school students can pass this civics exam!!
Makes a laugh out of the Constitution