The notice is because Pakistan is using dispute resolution mechanism as a way to delay dam construction by India. Kishan Ganga dam has been delayed by more than a decade.
Uzair should get a special award in keeping a straight face and holding on to his patience. How does Pakistan keep producing such gems as this lady …..
I never understood why India has a moral duty of bada bhai in the region towards Pakistan after 4 wars..this idiotic syndrome that as a bigger nation we have bigger responsibility towards a nation that pinched us all the time.. enough of this if not then Kashmir issue would have been settled with hardened stance in 71..
Fact of the matter is Pakistan has already breached the treaty by filing a case in INTERNATIONAL COURT -(BTW WHICH GOT REJECTED) WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE REDRESSAL STEPS MENTIONED IN TREATY -. INDIA IS JUST REACTING TO PAK'S ACTION
Save yourself listening to the entire podcast, the last 3 minutes are the most important. If you are even more lazy, following is the summary of the entire podcast. 1. Yes, we (Pakistan) started a Neutral observer analysis and Court of Arbitration simultaneously. This is because we do not trust Neutral observer due to a bad ruling in the Baglihar project. 2. Dispute resolution mechanism be damned - we will do what we want because we lost one case. Yes, we are being a baby, we want a favourable ruling and we will go anywhere we get a favourable ruling. 3. India cannot do anything, they should accommodate us because we are the baby. 4. Let us discuss the history of treaty, blah blah blah 5. What can be done to improve the treaty - I don't know, because I do not have the expertise. So I will make some sh*t up regarding climate management, rights of Kashmiris. Never mind that the 3 rivers are from Kashmir and they cannot use any of it right now.
I feel sorry for not having read this about 54 minutes ago, as I could have avoided listening to the whole lot of hot air. This post should be pinned so others don't lose an hour.
thanks for the heads-up, like all geo-strategic experts this expert is also pathologically inapt to grasp reality, most experts from the neighboring country are living in a dream within a dream, hallucinated by their own dreamy world.
Moral is: Quit watching just because Uzair is a rational guy……it is a rarity….Pakistanis in general repeat inanities/generalities that they hear from other Pakistanis without bothering to read the subject and making clear points.
The Indus Water Treaty gives 80% water to Pakisyan and 20% to India. Nowhere else in the world does a lower riparian get that much. A poor India was armtwisted by World Bank to sign a highly unfair treaty because at that time Pakistan was in western camp. Nehru was greatly criticized and in his defense he said that the treaty will guarantee peace between the two countries. Did it? Pakistan started 3 overt wars (1965, 71, 99) and two proxy wars (Kashmir, Khalistan) plus many other terror attacks including our parliament, 26/11 etc. India never violated the treaty even during the war. Instead of being super grateful for that, Pak anchors accuse India of stealing water. Pretty darn foolish to be over generous and still be accused of theft. Time to review the treaty and bring in line with other treaties across the world.
Indus water system has 6 major rivers the Beas, Ravi and Sutlej with a mean annual flow of 41 billion m3 (33 million acre⋅ft) - to India, while control over the waters of the three "western rivers" - the Indus, Chenab and Jhelum with a mean annual flow of 99 billion m3 - to Pakistan. India has about 20% of the total water carried by the Indus system while Pakistan has 80%." you would be like that is unfair pakistan gets 80%? we should back off from this unfair deal at once. Reminder in river water politics there's always one above you/the place where the river originates, what do i mean by that? Brahmaputra river for instance, we have been in dispute with the chinese for decades now, if we block off or back off from the treaty that would give chinese the excuse to do the same with us in case of the Brahmaputra river. would recommend you to look in River Nile politics surrounding Egypt and Congo. Things aren't as easy as we can just move away from the deal.
@@Ryujiaisaka02 China doesn't need an excuse if it wants to stop Bhramaputra so its no use being afraid of what China might or might not do. Stop regurgitating lines you heard from some Pakistani "expert" on a youtube video. They all mislead just like the person in this video did.
@@Ryujiaisaka02 you seem to be as clueless as this lady. China does not have any such treaty with India and is already building dams that will reduce eastern rivers flows to India. The percentage of water that China gives to India is exactly what India should be negotiating for is the point many are making. China currently gives less than 50 percent while India gives 80 percent. China shares zero water data with India since no treaty while India under the treaty shares all water data with pak. Please read and comment. Don’t assume water experts from India to be stupid for last 40 plus years. Nehru also gave today equivalent of 650 crore to pak as a gesture and 80 percent water AND said this is a goodwill gesture as to avoid any enmity ..we know how much the gesture mattered,
The notice is because Pakistan is using dispute resolution mechanism as a way to delay dam construction by India. Kishan Ganga dam has been delayed by more than a decade.
@21:56 Lady says, "Pakistan gets most of the water". I don't understand what the problem is. Pakistan probably needs to manage the water more efficiently downstream.
Every Pakistani no matter how much educated will show his true colours at a right time. Uzair is subtle here discussing Indus Water Treaty Because it means so much for PAKISTAN and not us(INDIA).
It was signed in 1960 when India needed world bank aid and was armtwisted by it. Pakistan was in the western camp which explains why WB supported Pakistan.
Let me add some points that were conveniently forgotten by the "expert". 1. The first dispute resolution mechanism is the neutral expert (in case the countries couldn't settle dispute within themselves) unless both countries agree to skip neutral expert. In this scenario, since India hasn't agreed to skip neutral expert, WB can't appoint the Court of Arbitration before neutral experts gives his/her decision. 2. No discussion on what impact new technologies have on the treaty. New ways to build dams, to de silt etc. If you don't have an honest discussion, you will not be able to fight on this issue on international stage.
Congratulations uzyar for having one of the most booring wasteful discussion.. I love your content normally but came so close to unsubscribing to you. One hour and not one facts and figures . One number . absolutely none .all vague adjectives. It is not a difficult discussion . This is what happens . India gets x percent pak gets y percent .India wants this change while will make it x+a for India and y-a for Pakistan ... Instead of that no real data except vague statements like India gets substantial water from these three rivers . You always say half of your viewers are indians . Do you know why ..because we want to see both sides of the coin and understand why and how of everything. Even on a booring topic like indus water treaty. You as the interviewer need to push the answers for facts instead of jargons .
I listened until 36 minutes. I want refund on those minutes. Or pay me for those minutes. This is the most WTF discussions of Uzair, which usually are insightful. Like others said, stop watching and save yourselves that time.
Doesn't talk anything meaningful. No talk about what is the problem. Doesn't even show Paksitan's Perspective actually. Much less about Indian side. All the talk is around the treaty and not the treaty Itself and its history and its impacts and politics around it and the future.
LADY IS CONTRADICTING EVERY WORDS IN THE TREATY ...TREATY VERY CLEARLY MENTIONS ' HOW A ISSUE AND WHAT ARE THE STEPS TO BE TAKEN ..THE TREATY IS IN PUBLIC PLATFORM - ANY ONE CAN READ IT ..STOP CREATING FALSE NARRATIVE OF MISINTERPRETATION ..
Uzair, be honest please….do you have more clarity on IWT now after this 1 hour exposition by this ‘expert’? See, this is a symptomatic problem in Pakistan, that of intellectual honesty. This lady tied herself into knots and was as clear as mud, simply because she did not want to admit these core points of the IWT: 1. That it’s a generous agreement by an upper riparian. No such river treaty exists in the world that has so much being gifted to the lower riparian state. (She did not even mention this in passing). 2. That India has been serious about managing its water and has slowly, and in the last twenty years, rapidly, built the infra around it. In contrast Pakistan has been incompetent every step of the way. 3. India has been meticulous in keeping the data around all aspects of IWT. Pakistan has not, and it still borrows data points from India to make its own reports to this day. (Again the lady said nothing about this fundamental issue). 4. India now wants to seek an agreement where it can claim more waters from the western rivers because the demography has changed in India and it needs more water to support its increased agri and industrial usage. Besides, it despises the way Pakistan wastes its fresh water. This claim that India will make will have support from the international orgs because all existing water treaties are actually far more tilted towards the upper riparian state than the IWT. Hence, what India will demand will be more a norm than an exception,and it will be able to cite the data from existing water treaties. None of this was discussed but this ridiculously prolix woman.
The guy at one point says Pakistani media will say "another saazish by India" etc instead of discussing the actual issue. After some time, he says it himself - this is precisely what I would do if I were India, Pakistan is down and struggling, and India would try to add to its problems. Clearly, it's not a lack of education for Pakistanis, from any street vendor to an English-speaking thinking guy. It's the same mentality - 'India is out there to get you...."
I think the discussion on IWT is good way of relook at the treaty , given the current reality, the new and updated data of water flow, the level of sedimentation, the climate change impacts. I think it is blessing in disguise for Pakistan.
One party can't give notice, that is funny, if there is an agreement between 2 sides, which one side does not any longer agree to it. They give notice. Basic Contract Law
Congratulations and Thanks for a detailed and informed coverage of IWT. However, any 101 on IWT must at least must mention that Pakistan did not sign IWT FOR FREE. 1. INR 6,153,000,000 India gave to Pakistan for signing the treaty, not as a loan, but as a GRANT (AID). 2. The Huge GRANTS (AID) given to Pakistan by USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand and West Germany. 3. The only two big dams Pakistan has built since its CREATION were an outcome of Pakistan signing this treaty. 4. About Pakistan's rights, and what PERCENTAGE of water Pakistan gets under IWT as the lower riparian in comparison to other such International River Water Treaties - like Amazon and Nile river water treaties. Pakistan is allotted more share of the water than other lower riparians. 5. India has never taken a dispute for resolution. 6. Every time Pakistan has taken the dispute for Resolution it has FAILED in its contentions. 7. But, every time Pakistan has taken the dispute for resolution it has caused INORDINATE DELAYS in the completion of Indian projects. As a result of which India has had to suffer HUGE FINANCIAL LOSS. 8. Every time India starts new project permitted by IWT Pakistan takes the matter for resolution on FRIVOLIOUS ground - such cause India damage. 9. Pakistan's approach can be summed as: We will not do anything but we will not let you do anything.
Dr. Erum said take moral grounds for people of Kashmir or benefits of Kashmiris. But Pakistani panjab mostly benefits from that Indus water treaty...as per Sindhi say in pakistan...But Dr. Erum ma'am did 1) Maxico gets a 90% OR claims river/water treaty with the USA.. 2) India can claim the river without having a treaty with the Chinese... which flows from Tibet 3) Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia can claim the Mekong river with china... That's not the case in the real world big countries squash smaller countries demand... But still 90% water awarded treaty exists between India and Pakistan.
_Thank you Uzair bro. One good thing happen, this video gave me an idea of developing a Chrome extension which writes a short summary of the video using the transcript, with the help of ChatGPT._ _Maybe, I will embed TTS as-well. Which will read the summary for the user._
Simply put - Pakistan was supposed to get 80% water from Indus water system. India was supposed to get only 20 % water. Whenever India tried to build hydel power projects on western rivers to enable it to use its full share of water, Pakistan objected to it by going for arbiration where it would lose the case but would delay Indian projects by decades. All this while Pakistan has been getting more than its share of water. It is even getting Indian share of water.Thst way Pakistan has been violating Indus Water treaty all these years. India should seek compensation for the loss suffered by India because of Pakistani intransigence.[Curtsy: Atul Besra]
She has the issue, as experts ofren do, of wanting to pack too much nuance into things before necessarily preparing the audience of for the material it is about to ingest.
10 minutes videos on this topic by UPSC teachers gives more clarity on this topic than 56 minutes video. Sorry. Thanks god, I have habit of listening tube audio 1.5X. I saved my 10 minutes of my life at-least. May be because I'm quite drunk right now. I got nothing from this long video.
we should also consider the fact that a project planned from Indian side is delayed for decades by pakistan. Then it goes to international courts and India gets permissions to do what it planned but who shall beaar the cost of delays and esclations. This way pakistan who isnt trying to develop infra on its side of the border tries to delay development on the other side. So I think India wants to set new sections in the treaty for the same. It sent notice so that pak comes to the table and considering events of past if it isnt made time bound, pak would use any tactics possible to delay this as well.
If this is intellectual standards for Pakistani, no wonder Pakistan is in crisis . No offense to uzair bhai , i think u choose your panelist more carefully.
Uzair the issue is simple 70-75% water flows to Pakistan for 77 years what did they do? Let's distribute evenly and be happy both... India has 1.4 billion people.. And all that bla bla bla of Sea water coming in is good for Pakistan they can build dam in sind n make more real estate which they can exploit. As they have already auctioned river beds In ravi river bed
Dear Uzair & Dr. Erum, it is an Interesting conversation on IWT. My previous company built Kishanganga Hydro Power project besides several HPPs in J&K (India). I understand the technicalities on HPPs. One question comes in my mind that why Pakistan did not build enough HPPs/ Dams to utilise available water and even today significant amount of water flows through Pakistan and terminates in Arabian sea without much of utilisation. Is this the reason the opinion of neutral expert or arbitrator is going against Pakistan? I sincerely hope this matter should be resolved amicably.
Because their military takes all their money. The aid they get is mostly taken by military and elites who use it to buy property abroad. And common man given the carrot of kashmir.
I am so glad I came to the comment section 20 minutes into it. What an absolute waste of time, she decides to talk about everything but the treaty itself. Typical pakistani guest that feels India and the world owes pakistan something. Lets understand this more clearly. 1. Pakistan gets 80% of the water and India gets 20% of it which never happens in a lower riparian county. Its the exact opposite across the world with higher riparian countries getting majority of water. Yet Erum constantly asserts that pakistan is "owed" 80% of the water. Its not. 2. She goes around everything from history, spirit, climate, etc but barely discusses the treaty itself. She then goes on to accuse India of stealing water because India built dams and infrastructure which pakistan has left no stone unturned to stop stalling the projects by decades. 3. Zero solutions suggested in the mindless discussion. 4. India has given a notice not a "so called notice". The despondency her perspective and the choice of words is so clear. I am sometimes bedazzled by how disingenuous pakistani commentators can actually are. I constantly search into the pakistani content to find some amount of genuineness but am constantly met with anything but condescension, entitlement, absurdity or excuses. This podcast is the one in which all four are displayed outrageously. But I have to admit there is something to admire about pakistanis, it takes balls (or a total lack of self respect) to be seeking so many concessions from the country that they claim to be their sworn enemy.
There is not a single point mentioned about generosity of the Indian side maintaining the treaty work even after the 80% water is of Pakistan usage and still there is treaty initiator(India) manipulated.... wow...
Either I am too dumb to understand what shes trying to say, or she hasn't explained what this IWT is about and what Pak has to negotiate about the eastern 3 rivers.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but it's hard to make sense of what she is speaking even for a person like me who has a background in this topic. Start with an overview, then dive into the details depending on your audience and then move to summarize/comments & DON'T DIGRESS. The crux of the topic: Pakistan benefits 80%+ from the treaty in terms of the volume of water flow & yet the country suffers water problem ONLY because of it's poor management. Now Pakistan is opposing dam constructions & has overiden the arbitration process. India has responded and issued a notice, not a so-called notice. Why blabber for over 30 min when you can wrap it up in 3 sentences?
Yes, it seems she cannot answer any question directly without deviating. Anyway, pakistan should have developed its water management building dams, hydro electric power etc. But they pour all their money into the military and the poor suffer.
You appear to be one of those malnourished folks in your country who have earned the "honor" of getting their nation ranked 104 among 116 states in the global hunger index. Intellectual atrophy is quite common with malnourishment. Hope you get a meal tonight unlike over 40% of your countrymen languishing under 3.25 USD a day.
@@yomamasohot6411 you appear to be one of those malnourished folks in your country who have earned the "honor" of getting their nation ranked 104 among 116 states in the global hunger index. Intellectual atrophy is quite common with malnourishment. Hope you get a meal tonight unlike over 40% of your countrymen languishing under 3.25 USD a day.
10 minutes into the conversation and the lady makes nonsense. Looked her up on linkedin. She has MS is sustainable water management which has nothing to do with indus water treaty. And ignorance shows
Amongst the better discussions, at least we also got to hear her ideas on how thing's should or could move forward, rather than criticism for sake of criticism. Please bring her back again.
Forget about intellects please try to get people with common sense. I appreciate your patience having her in show and listening to all shit tantrum she did.
Is rising sea level not responsible for impacting Delta's world over, diverting Indus has lesser impact, internal problems in Pakistan are more politically motivated than water related, at the end Pakistan has to better manage their water resources.
Perfect example of Talking About Everything And Nothing.
The notice is because Pakistan is using dispute resolution mechanism as a way to delay dam construction by India.
Kishan Ganga dam has been delayed by more than a decade.
Pakistanis are soon going to get rivers of milk and honey. Let INDIANS have water
Bhai Kashmir sab me kese ajata hai aaj tak samaj nahi aya 😂 muh se mungfali tut nahi rahi gaand se akhrot todni hai inko.
@@finickygods3896 kishan ganga is now under construction and will be completed between 2025-26
She is just like me
She is Rahul Gandhi explaining ancient India scriptures
lmao
Good one 😂
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You forget she's PAKISTANI and ignorance is expected
😂😂😂😂
Uzair should get a special award in keeping a straight face and holding on to his patience. How does Pakistan keep producing such gems as this lady …..
Gems= rectums
35 minutes into this video, I am clueless what is she trying to explain😅 Hatts off to Uzair Bhai for his patience🎉
Thanks. Saved me the time or I would have wasted 56 minutes of my life on some non sense. and here I thought there would be clarity on this issue.
I, too, felt the same.
Same here.
She's a nataki
I thought I was too dumb to summarize and arrive into conclusion, glad there's many others too.
She's the perfect example of, "Kehna kya chahati ho?"
I never understood why India has a moral duty of bada bhai in the region towards Pakistan after 4 wars..this idiotic syndrome that as a bigger nation we have bigger responsibility towards a nation that pinched us all the time.. enough of this if not then Kashmir issue would have been settled with hardened stance in 71..
Listening to the lady is like stream of consciousness, she keeps on rambling about all topics without specifically coming to the question asked 🤣🤣🤣
Am at 44 minutes without any explanation of what the current problem is. Consider not having a treaty at all.
Glad I'm not the only one exasperated. The title of the video is very different from the subject matter details.
@syedbakeruddinbekar9433it is actually a Prablam😂
Yes why should we have any treaty? What was the need...???
Fact of the matter is Pakistan has already breached the treaty by filing a case in INTERNATIONAL COURT -(BTW WHICH GOT REJECTED) WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE REDRESSAL STEPS MENTIONED IN TREATY -. INDIA IS JUST REACTING TO PAK'S ACTION
Save yourself listening to the entire podcast, the last 3 minutes are the most important. If you are even more lazy, following is the summary of the entire podcast.
1. Yes, we (Pakistan) started a Neutral observer analysis and Court of Arbitration simultaneously. This is because we do not trust Neutral observer due to a bad ruling in the Baglihar project.
2. Dispute resolution mechanism be damned - we will do what we want because we lost one case. Yes, we are being a baby, we want a favourable ruling and we will go anywhere we get a favourable ruling.
3. India cannot do anything, they should accommodate us because we are the baby.
4. Let us discuss the history of treaty, blah blah blah
5. What can be done to improve the treaty - I don't know, because I do not have the expertise. So I will make some sh*t up regarding climate management, rights of Kashmiris. Never mind that the 3 rivers are from Kashmir and they cannot use any of it right now.
Really Sums up the boring podcast
I feel sorry for not having read this about 54 minutes ago, as I could have avoided listening to the whole lot of hot air.
This post should be pinned so others don't lose an hour.
Thanx man ..u are a saviour.
Thanks 🙏
thanks for the heads-up, like all geo-strategic experts this expert is also pathologically inapt to grasp reality, most experts from the neighboring country are living in a dream within a dream, hallucinated by their own dreamy world.
Moral is: Quit watching just because Uzair is a rational guy……it is a rarity….Pakistanis in general repeat inanities/generalities that they hear from other Pakistanis without bothering to read the subject and making clear points.
The Indus Water Treaty gives 80% water to Pakisyan and 20% to India. Nowhere else in the world does a lower riparian get that much. A poor India was armtwisted by World Bank to sign a highly unfair treaty because at that time Pakistan was in western camp.
Nehru was greatly criticized and in his defense he said that the treaty will guarantee peace between the two countries. Did it? Pakistan started 3 overt wars (1965, 71, 99) and two proxy wars (Kashmir, Khalistan) plus many other terror attacks including our parliament, 26/11 etc.
India never violated the treaty even during the war. Instead of being super grateful for that, Pak anchors accuse India of stealing water.
Pretty darn foolish to be over generous and still be accused of theft. Time to review the treaty and bring in line with other treaties across the world.
Yes you are right bro.spot on😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
Amended to limit India barging onto Pakistan river sources.
Indus water system has 6 major rivers the Beas, Ravi and Sutlej with a mean annual flow of 41 billion m3 (33 million acre⋅ft) - to India, while control over the waters of the three "western rivers" - the Indus, Chenab and Jhelum with a mean annual flow of 99 billion m3 - to Pakistan. India has about 20% of the total water carried by the Indus system while Pakistan has 80%."
you would be like that is unfair pakistan gets 80%? we should back off from this unfair deal at once.
Reminder in river water politics there's always one above you/the place where the river originates, what do i mean by that?
Brahmaputra river for instance, we have been in dispute with the chinese for decades now, if we block off or back off from the treaty that would give chinese the excuse to do the same with us in case of the Brahmaputra river.
would recommend you to look in River Nile politics surrounding Egypt and Congo.
Things aren't as easy as we can just move away from the deal.
@@Ryujiaisaka02 China doesn't need an excuse if it wants to stop Bhramaputra so its no use being afraid of what China might or might not do. Stop regurgitating lines you heard from some Pakistani "expert" on a youtube video. They all mislead just like the person in this video did.
@@Ryujiaisaka02 you seem to be as clueless as this lady. China does not have any such treaty with India and is already building dams that will reduce eastern rivers flows to India. The percentage of water that China gives to India is exactly what India should be negotiating for is the point many are making. China currently gives less than 50 percent while India gives 80 percent. China shares zero water data with India since no treaty while India under the treaty shares all water data with pak. Please read and comment. Don’t assume water experts from India to be stupid for last 40 plus years. Nehru also gave today equivalent of 650 crore to pak as a gesture and 80 percent water AND said this is a goodwill gesture as to avoid any enmity ..we know how much the gesture mattered,
The notice is because Pakistan is using dispute resolution mechanism as a way to delay dam construction by India.
Kishan Ganga dam has been delayed by more than a decade.
Show me one nation on earth that being an upper riparian gives its neighbour right over 80% of the water?! Thats India for you folks.
@21:56 Lady says, "Pakistan gets most of the water". I don't understand what the problem is. Pakistan probably needs to manage the water more efficiently downstream.
Every Pakistani no matter how much educated will show his true colours at a right time. Uzair is subtle here discussing Indus Water Treaty Because it means so much for PAKISTAN and not us(INDIA).
Pakistan gets 80pc of the water. Don't know how India signed it.
It was signed in 1960 when India needed world bank aid and was armtwisted by it. Pakistan was in the western camp which explains why WB supported Pakistan.
Nehru was a cuckold who believed that if we give one sided love to pak, they would live in peace with India.
Great conversation. The guest provides relevant and insightful context to an enduring challenge
Let me add some points that were conveniently forgotten by the "expert".
1. The first dispute resolution mechanism is the neutral expert (in case the countries couldn't settle dispute within themselves) unless both countries agree to skip neutral expert. In this scenario, since India hasn't agreed to skip neutral expert, WB can't appoint the Court of Arbitration before neutral experts gives his/her decision.
2. No discussion on what impact new technologies have on the treaty. New ways to build dams, to de silt etc.
If you don't have an honest discussion, you will not be able to fight on this issue on international stage.
Congratulations uzyar for having one of the most booring wasteful discussion.. I love your content normally but came so close to unsubscribing to you.
One hour and not one facts and figures . One number . absolutely none .all vague adjectives. It is not a difficult discussion . This is what happens . India gets x percent pak gets y percent .India wants this change while will make it x+a for India and y-a for Pakistan ... Instead of that no real data except vague statements like India gets substantial water from these three rivers .
You always say half of your viewers are indians . Do you know why ..because we want to see both sides of the coin and understand why and how of everything. Even on a booring topic like indus water treaty.
You as the interviewer need to push the answers for facts instead of jargons .
Well said.
very true……but please do not unsubscribe 😊
I listened until 36 minutes. I want refund on those minutes. Or pay me for those minutes. This is the most WTF discussions of Uzair, which usually are insightful. Like others said, stop watching and save yourselves that time.
Doesn't talk anything meaningful.
No talk about what is the problem.
Doesn't even show Paksitan's Perspective actually. Much less about Indian side.
All the talk is around the treaty and not the treaty Itself and its history and its impacts and politics around it and the future.
Correct. Clueless lady or probably too smart. Knows she has no real ground to stand on. Can’t be at tufts and so dumb.
LADY IS CONTRADICTING EVERY WORDS IN THE TREATY ...TREATY VERY CLEARLY MENTIONS ' HOW A ISSUE AND WHAT ARE THE STEPS TO BE TAKEN ..THE TREATY IS IN PUBLIC PLATFORM - ANY ONE CAN READ IT ..STOP CREATING FALSE NARRATIVE OF MISINTERPRETATION ..
Uzair, be honest please….do you have more clarity on IWT now after this 1 hour exposition by this ‘expert’?
See, this is a symptomatic problem in Pakistan, that of intellectual honesty. This lady tied herself into knots and was as clear as mud, simply because she did not want to admit these core points of the IWT:
1. That it’s a generous agreement by an upper riparian. No such river treaty exists in the world that has so much being gifted to the lower riparian state. (She did not even mention this in passing).
2. That India has been serious about managing its water and has slowly, and in the last twenty years, rapidly, built the infra around it. In contrast Pakistan has been incompetent every step of the way.
3. India has been meticulous in keeping the data around all aspects of IWT. Pakistan has not, and it still borrows data points from India to make its own reports to this day. (Again the lady said nothing about this fundamental issue).
4. India now wants to seek an agreement where it can claim more waters from the western rivers because the demography has changed in India and it needs more water to support its increased agri and industrial usage. Besides, it despises the way Pakistan wastes its fresh water. This claim that India will make will have support from the international orgs because all existing water treaties are actually far more tilted towards the upper riparian state than the IWT. Hence, what India will demand will be more a norm than an exception,and it will be able to cite the data from existing water treaties.
None of this was discussed but this ridiculously prolix woman.
Well said 👏
The guy at one point says Pakistani media will say "another saazish by India" etc instead of discussing the actual issue. After some time, he says it himself - this is precisely what I would do if I were India, Pakistan is down and struggling, and India would try to add to its problems.
Clearly, it's not a lack of education for Pakistanis, from any street vendor to an English-speaking thinking guy.
It's the same mentality - 'India is out there to get you...."
very vague dissscussion,
Uzair Bhai should get award for showing patience with this person.Seriously most clueless guest on this show,not explaining the key point at all...
I think the discussion on IWT is good way of relook at the treaty , given the current reality, the new and updated data of water flow, the level of sedimentation, the climate change impacts. I think it is blessing in disguise for Pakistan.
Alcohol might be haram in Islam but not gaanja. And this lady is a good example of that. XD
One party can't give notice, that is funny, if there is an agreement between 2 sides, which one side does not any longer agree to it.
They give notice.
Basic Contract Law
She have more focus on his accent and expression than substance in talks .
Congratulations and Thanks for a detailed and informed coverage of IWT.
However, any 101 on IWT must at least must mention that Pakistan did not sign IWT FOR FREE.
1. INR 6,153,000,000 India gave to Pakistan for signing the treaty, not as a loan, but as a GRANT (AID).
2. The Huge GRANTS (AID) given to Pakistan by USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand and West Germany.
3. The only two big dams Pakistan has built since its CREATION were an outcome of Pakistan signing this treaty.
4. About Pakistan's rights, and what PERCENTAGE of water Pakistan gets under IWT as the lower riparian in comparison to other such International River Water Treaties - like Amazon and Nile river water treaties. Pakistan is allotted more share of the water than other lower riparians.
5. India has never taken a dispute for resolution.
6. Every time Pakistan has taken the dispute for Resolution it has FAILED in its contentions.
7. But, every time Pakistan has taken the dispute for resolution it has caused INORDINATE DELAYS in the completion of Indian projects. As a result of which India has had to suffer HUGE FINANCIAL LOSS.
8. Every time India starts new project permitted by IWT Pakistan takes the matter for resolution on FRIVOLIOUS ground - such cause India damage.
9. Pakistan's approach can be summed as: We will not do anything but we will not let you do anything.
Well said 👏
Dr. Erum said take moral grounds for people of Kashmir or benefits of Kashmiris. But Pakistani panjab mostly benefits from that Indus water treaty...as per Sindhi say in pakistan...But Dr. Erum ma'am did
1) Maxico gets a 90% OR claims river/water treaty with the USA..
2) India can claim the river without having a treaty with the Chinese... which flows from Tibet
3) Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia can claim the Mekong river with china...
That's not the case in the real world big countries squash smaller countries demand... But still 90% water awarded treaty exists between India and Pakistan.
Pakistan can no longer rely on World Bank to favor it on this matter as it gets a new President of Indian-origin Ajay Banga...
I live in Canada & my love for pakistan is getting more and more -- ~
_Thank you Uzair bro. One good thing happen, this video gave me an idea of developing a Chrome extension which writes a short summary of the video using the transcript, with the help of ChatGPT._
_Maybe, I will embed TTS as-well. Which will read the summary for the user._
47:40 All things boil down to this, How this Treaty has benefited India and Indians?
Ok reading comments I am sure that....its not worth the time.
Anyways
Thanks Uzair for trying to incorporate a new and Important topic.
she didn't even close to answering any of the questions asked, Uzair is very patience in not interrupting her.
Such poor podcast. Totally wasted my time. Just crying "India bad" the entire time
What a dumb inference of all this talk. Water is more important than terrorism and loss of life?
Simply put - Pakistan was supposed to get 80% water from Indus water system. India was supposed to get only 20 % water. Whenever India tried to build hydel power projects on western rivers to enable it to use its full share of water, Pakistan objected to it by going for arbiration where it would lose the case but would delay Indian projects by decades. All this while Pakistan has been getting more than its share of water. It is even getting Indian share of water.Thst way Pakistan has been violating Indus Water treaty all these years. India should seek compensation for the loss suffered by India because of Pakistani intransigence.[Curtsy: Atul Besra]
She has the issue, as experts ofren do, of wanting to pack too much nuance into things before necessarily preparing the audience of for the material it is about to ingest.
We would like to know about uzairs thought on india after his recent india visit
😂😂 kisi bhi Pakistani channel pe jao... comment section me sirf Indian hi milte...sad and funny at the same time
Kyu Ke Normal Pakistanio Ko Apni Koi Fikar Nahi Hai Unhe Yeh Sab Discussion Se Koi Matlab Nahi Hota Which Is Sad Though
Mulk, ya Awaam nahin Huzum hai.
10 minutes videos on this topic by UPSC teachers gives more clarity on this topic than 56 minutes video. Sorry. Thanks god, I have habit of listening tube audio 1.5X. I saved my 10 minutes of my life at-least.
May be because I'm quite drunk right now. I got nothing from this long video.
Don't worry India will abrogate this treaty just like article 370 of Kashmir
we should also consider the fact that a project planned from Indian side is delayed for decades by pakistan. Then it goes to international courts and India gets permissions to do what it planned but who shall beaar the cost of delays and esclations. This way pakistan who isnt trying to develop infra on its side of the border tries to delay development on the other side. So I think India wants to set new sections in the treaty for the same. It sent notice so that pak comes to the table and considering events of past if it isnt made time bound, pak would use any tactics possible to delay this as well.
If this is intellectual standards for Pakistani, no wonder Pakistan is in crisis . No offense to uzair bhai , i think u choose your panelist more carefully.
The Indians in this comment box seem to know more than this lady 😀
Just couldn't understand what was the point of the whole discussion?
Uzair the issue is simple 70-75% water flows to Pakistan for 77 years what did they do?
Let's distribute evenly and be happy both... India has 1.4 billion people..
And all that bla bla bla of Sea water coming in is good for Pakistan they can build dam in sind n make more real estate which they can exploit. As they have already auctioned river beds In ravi river bed
This is a perfect example of Pakistan history...
Everything is about Kashmir... inhe yaha bhi Kashmir soojh raha hain
Pakistan violated the treaty by bypassing the neutral expert and going to COE. This is the basis of India wanting to renegotiate the treaty
Heard India dam is built is unfinished for years!
Sir, if you just mention those books in your description, that would be fantastic
Dear Uzair & Dr. Erum, it is an Interesting conversation on IWT. My previous company built Kishanganga Hydro Power project besides several HPPs in J&K (India). I understand the technicalities on HPPs.
One question comes in my mind that why Pakistan did not build enough HPPs/ Dams to utilise available water and even today significant amount of water flows through Pakistan and terminates in Arabian sea without much of utilisation. Is this the reason the opinion of neutral expert or arbitrator is going against Pakistan? I sincerely hope this matter should be resolved amicably.
Because their military takes all their money. The aid they get is mostly taken by military and elites who use it to buy property abroad. And common man given the carrot of kashmir.
Damn, Its really game over for pak if this treaty is not solved.
She is indeed pakistani , she is perfect example of don't know anything
At the end of video you will scratch your head - so save your 30 minutes of life 😂😂
My first question, what was the need to do this treaty? What were the outcomes if India had refused to do any treaty with Pakistan?
Remember, BrahmPutra comes from China..That could be the only reason...
like we are listening to a high school project submission report
Without timestamps its just selfishness to increase watchtime.
I am so glad I came to the comment section 20 minutes into it. What an absolute waste of time, she decides to talk about everything but the treaty itself. Typical pakistani guest that feels India and the world owes pakistan something. Lets understand this more clearly.
1. Pakistan gets 80% of the water and India gets 20% of it which never happens in a lower riparian county. Its the exact opposite across the world with higher riparian countries getting majority of water. Yet Erum constantly asserts that pakistan is "owed" 80% of the water. Its not.
2. She goes around everything from history, spirit, climate, etc but barely discusses the treaty itself. She then goes on to accuse India of stealing water because India built dams and infrastructure which pakistan has left no stone unturned to stop stalling the projects by decades.
3. Zero solutions suggested in the mindless discussion.
4. India has given a notice not a "so called notice". The despondency her perspective and the choice of words is so clear.
I am sometimes bedazzled by how disingenuous pakistani commentators can actually are. I constantly search into the pakistani content to find some amount of genuineness but am constantly met with anything but condescension, entitlement, absurdity or excuses. This podcast is the one in which all four are displayed outrageously.
But I have to admit there is something to admire about pakistanis, it takes balls (or a total lack of self respect) to be seeking so many concessions from the country that they claim to be their sworn enemy.
There is not a single point mentioned about generosity of the Indian side maintaining the treaty work even after the 80% water is of Pakistan usage and still there is treaty initiator(India) manipulated.... wow...
The topic related to pakistan and india's water treaty but 99% comments is indians
Discussion is in English 💀💀
Great discussion ❤❤
The other issue if Kashmiris wants to build a hydro dam - is it allowed.
So this lady is an intellectual? I am sorry to say but it speaks volumes about how delusional some people can be about their intellect.
Either I am too dumb to understand what shes trying to say, or she hasn't explained what this IWT is about and what Pak has to negotiate about the eastern 3 rivers.
This doctor is very knowledgeable 😇😄🤔
My cousin who is in 8th standard have written better essay on Indus water treaty than this discussion.
Uzair in his mind :- kitna pakaogi points pe ajao mera sar mat Khao.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but it's hard to make sense of what she is speaking even for a person like me who has a background in this topic. Start with an overview, then dive into the details depending on your audience and then move to summarize/comments & DON'T DIGRESS.
The crux of the topic: Pakistan benefits 80%+ from the treaty in terms of the volume of water flow & yet the country suffers water problem ONLY because of it's poor management. Now Pakistan is opposing dam constructions & has overiden the arbitration process. India has responded and issued a notice, not a so-called notice.
Why blabber for over 30 min when you can wrap it up in 3 sentences?
we can watch how hard it is to replicate accent. she is trying really hard that she forget to speak real topic.
Pak doing nakli English accent we never seen in India 😂
Blood and water can't flow at a same time
Yes, it seems she cannot answer any question directly without deviating. Anyway, pakistan should have developed its water management building dams, hydro electric power etc. But they pour all their money into the military and the poor suffer.
Is she really an expert on this issue 😹😹
Uzair from where did u get this woman 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
She has 10 minutes of content 46 minutes of build up.
Thank you for covering this most pertinent topic in so much depth.
@illa billa He is Pakistani. He doesn't understand the difference.
@illa billa, your sense of humor needs some work.
You appear to be one of those malnourished folks in your country who have earned the "honor" of getting their nation ranked 104 among 116 states in the global hunger index. Intellectual atrophy is quite common with malnourishment. Hope you get a meal tonight unlike over 40% of your countrymen languishing under 3.25 USD a day.
@@yomamasohot6411 you appear to be one of those malnourished folks in your country who have earned the "honor" of getting their nation ranked 104 among 116 states in the global hunger index. Intellectual atrophy is quite common with malnourishment. Hope you get a meal tonight unlike over 40% of your countrymen languishing under 3.25 USD a day.
@DIVYANSH SAHU worship him since he saved what little Kashmir you were left with on advice from your then chief of army staff (Butcher papers).
Please add timestamps in videos
10 minutes into the conversation and the lady makes nonsense. Looked her up on linkedin. She has MS is sustainable water management which has nothing to do with indus water treaty. And ignorance shows
Amongst the better discussions, at least we also got to hear her ideas on how thing's should or could move forward, rather than criticism for sake of criticism.
Please bring her back again.
pakistan and morality are antonyms
This is a joke or some sort of parody right?! If at all this is for real, I don't know how you can call the lady an "expert".
Treaty clearly states that dispute must be managed in hierarchy basis so don't Say there is nothing🥴 atleast read carefully when reading 😂
What is the role of the arbitrator in the treaty?
Forget about intellects please try to get people with common sense. I appreciate your patience having her in show and listening to all shit tantrum she did.
Is rising sea level not responsible for impacting Delta's world over, diverting Indus has lesser impact, internal problems in Pakistan are more politically motivated than water related, at the end Pakistan has to better manage their water resources.
What this lady is trying to say? She is beating around bush a lot but rarely coming to core issue.
She does not make sense or I am too dumb. She even does not answer what India is asking at this time.
U also doing elite class in this podcast ur country people know what talk about so discussion on region language
She deserves the Hilale pakistan Award 😂
Jethalal - arey pagal. Aurat ....
she took 56 min for 5 min answers :/
What is she going on about?
Where the proof of claims made by mam money was taken on table pak establishment was in govt that time ayub khan do u think seriously
*Former
She is totally biased pakistani and also confused that she need to be liberal. And western... Victim hood in educated pakistani also.