Iracing could do something like give drivers who‘ve been banned recently and are under probation a mandatory special „livery of shame“ that’s instantly recognized by all other drivers. Public disgrace has a chilling effect on some hotheads...
iRacing takes care of all issues like this if a protest is filed. We may give a coaching note or two before suspending someone but if the behavior continues that member will be removed from the service. We encourage all to send a protest whenever anyone intentionally wrecks someone or retaliates against someone. We will be happy to address the issue appropriately.
I've been with iRacing since 2008 and one of the reasons I have stayed is because of the ability of protest and iRacing's ability to keep the racing as clean as possible. It's better than any sim on the market.
Please give car#4 a stern warning and/or a temporary ban. And talk to your bosses to allow us to protest "avoidable contact" and "reckless driving." That would go a long way in making the racing better on your service.
@@deronshank75 if u cut track u get a time penalty if u dont serve it then get dq. he should have received a time penalty but there must be a bug with that.
@@deronshank75 or just nor had the lap count. Black flags are a bit weird, I've got them from going around the same corner twice (spun and it was quicker and safer to return to the track before the corner I'd spun on)
Or fix the damn track lol. I like how you say they should be banned for abusing a bad design. My 1st race on this track, everyone was doing it. Not gonna lose 2 F ucking seconds to people im faster than, because they do that thing, and they can do that all the way down to the final turn. Fix the game before banning people lol. Any other game would be giving you a penalty or something js. So i won't touch this track at all. For one, don't like that dumb crap, and I don't like using it, and If i see others doing it, im gonna too as you don't get in trouble. Fix the game, simple as that really.
Can't believe anyone can make excuses for the premeditated wrecking. He should be banned. It's console mentality. Shouldn't have to put up with this for a subscription racing game that is far more expensive than others.
Back in July I had lost my temper in a Arca race. Short story.....I purposely took another driver out and then in my infinite wisdom proceeded to give him a piece of my mind. Come the next day I went to race and boom......The driver protested me and Nim gave me a 1 month competitive racing ban and a 3 month communication ban. Moral of my story is, it’s not worth it! Looking back on this I’m somewhat ashamed of my actions. Yes I was angry...but retaliation on the track or verbally or both, is never a good thing. Lesson learned.
It's only human to lose your temper and it's great that you realised afterwards that this was not the best way to take revenge. I protested someone else for the first time a week ago. We touched in a corner because I was drafting him and he swerved left and right to block me. We both stayed on track but I managed to pass him. In the next corner where you have to brake down for a narrow chicane.. he didn't brake and rammed me full speed. In the chat afterwards he only told me it was his 'thank you' for touching him. I felt bad protesting him, it felt a bit of a Nazi move, but I hope he learns the same lesson too. Accidents can happen but purposely taking someone out is just a big no-no in Iracing.
Happened to me at Laguna in the Skippy. I braked with a wheel on the grass and collected someone. I immediately apologised. He waited next lap and rammed me in the wall at the corkscrew, then came over the radio laughing, swearing and taunting me! I found it really disconcerting. Almost made me regret getting a subscription. I can do without the toxicity really. I always strive to race fairly and if someone is obviously much quicker, I let them through without an issue... I hate this sort of thing. Spoils what is essentially a great service.
Report it and help keep the service clean for us all. Dont let a bad egg get you down. We have some amazing people on the service. Most people in my experience.
Report it, but don’t let it affect you that much either. You can’t be on the verge of quitting something you enjoy because someone swore and taunted you who wasn’t even at your RL location. I guess if it really bothered you you could turn of the radio chat in the option screen.
The problem with iRacing isn't these guys. These guys are rare, and when they do what they do, it's obvious and they are removed. The problem with iRacing is the guys that mask what they do. They subtlety tap your rear end and make you spin. They play games on rolling starts. They use netcode to their advantage and swerve towards you and swerve away. They don't back out when they know it's not their corner. The reason the guys like I described are allowed to do what they do is because iRacing will look at a replay and just say "oh, that was just a mistake." or "oh, that was just a racing incident.", when it's not. A solution to this is giving out smaller punishments for BAD DRIVING. iRating penalties, series suspensions, championship point deductions. There needs to be consequences for racing incidents. Giving each guy a 4x and be on your way does nothing to make the racing cleaner. Guys that ruin races don't give a shit about safety rating. I just got out of a race where I was clear ahead of a guy into a turn after he made a mistake. I hit the apex and tracked out towards the exit and the guy just drives into my rear tire and spins me into the wall, ending my race. He of course continued on and there's nothing I can protest. Incidents like those are what you see every single race. And there's no punishment for it. Protesting does nothing.
You can protest reckless driving and it in fact goes on the driver's record. I know this for a fact because when I first started 5 years ago I was super aggressive. I did not intentionally spin anybody or hook them, but I made a bunch of questionable moves that led to wrecks. After a while, I actually got an email from Nim wanting to talk about my driving, he actually called my cell to talk about it. He let me know that there was a bunch of people who reported me, and even though he did not think I was intentionally wrecking people, my over-aggressive driving was leading to a ton of ruined races and it was an issue. I took our conversation to heart, cleaned up my driving a bit, made smarter passes, and have not had a single issue since. So if you see unsafe driving, report it, it will be documented and eventually coaching will take place.
My suggestion to you is start from the back. You get out of lower divisions a lot quicker. As soon as I got to class C for oval racing (my main discipline) I haven’t had much issues with idiot drivers crashing into me. Maybe I’m just lucky but if you get out of the lower levels, you tend to race with people who stay out of trouble more often than not
@@runswithscisors1110 this is horrid advice honestly, and it hardly ever works out as intended. You may be the rare lucky case when it did work but generally starting in the back and just farming safety teaches nothing. It also usually ends up in a loss of irating and that will put you into a lower split aka less skilled drivers. Then you're stuck in a car you're not ready for, with race craft that you've not developed, accident avoidance skills that you've not honed, all with low irating drivers who also probably did the same thing you did. My advice is stay in rookies until you make top split in the rookie division and you can compete with the drivers in that split and you're not just a back marker. Then move up. I think you will find that for the most part if you're fast, get to the front portion of the field that there are far less issues up there. Especially since cautions are off in rookie series on oval.
But this would lead to the problem that you have to be afraid to make a somewhat risky move. I am not talking about Hail Mary divebomb or sticking your nose up to the rear bumper, but things like going two wide into a turn with both cars at the same height. If i have to be afraid to get punished for a move that might end up as a racing incident some people might no longer race.vAnd with race i mean proper racing, not doing laps for the SR and collecting freebies and not some stupid stuff you mentioned. But how can the system tell the difference between racing incident and 150m divebombs? I remember a few races in the KIA, one in particular from Road America. I was fighting and was wheelbanging with the other guy for the lead for the whole 25min. Thanks to giving each other from time to time a little love tab we ended up with 3*4x. And that was some really good racing! Hence the memory even if that race was over 2 years ago. Even race Stewards can‘t agree on some situations in the real world, and they know the bigger context. Same goes for a League i am part of where there are a team of stewards who review every incident and they know some of the drivers for over 6 years. So they can tell if something was on purpose, and honesty mistake (which still leads to some penalties if it was avoidable . So how can one create a system that can tell the difference between 3 harmless love taps in a Touring Car and a 4x that sends you into the fence because the other driver was just brain afk in that situation? Sometimes its not even a 4x, you also have to think about the 0x -> 1x. You got the version of that ends for lets say one car in the wall but this 0x -> 1x could also be the result of some good hard clean wheel banging at a track like spa. I know the situations i drew out are that (sadly) 1 in 1000 times when those 1x or 4x are harmless and that the „normal“ (which is even more sad) current situation is the one you pictured. One could also add a max x-count per season/week per series. But then you have the problem that you punish the guy who does like 10 races per week with like 2 offtracks per race vs the no practice no racecraft guy who wrecks once per week after 4 laps. One could come up with a fancy inc/race formula but that could be exploited... yadi yadi yada.
This is exactly what I wrote, we all know how to knock out someone, itis even pretty easy to do and it is due to iRacing poor tyre grip model (if you go beyond tyre grip, you all of a sudden don't grip at all anymore). Hitting a car from behind making its rear tyres slip a bit will pretty luch mean spin or offtrack for the front car, which doesn't exist in many other games like ACC or rFactor 2.
I discovered "sim racing " in the early hours of the morning myself with a video titled something similar about a dirty driver and asking for people's thoughts.I used to absolutely love codemaaters toca on playstation 2 and that was last time I was really enjoying car games.I ended up getting a logitech g920 with the shifter and the playseat challenge and although I don't race online I absolutely love playing against ai on project cars,its soooo good.
good of you to highlight this Dave, without nameshaming anyone as such a big influence in iRacing. would of been helpful if you included a little tutorial on how to report someone though. for the newer guys, and even the more experienced.
When you view your results from any event, there is a link towards the top that you can click on to File a Protest (it should be directly above the winners Car#, Name and Start Pos). You'll have to wait 30 minutes after the end of the event to submit a protest. You'll also need a clip of the replay or a recording from game capture to include in your protest. At the top of the Protest form is a dropdown box to select the violation in question. Once the violation is selected, more fields will appear including the driver being protested, a description of the complaint as well as options to upload up to three attachments. Click Submit Protest and let iRacing take care of the rest.
Finished the video. Completely agree, these people need to be called out and reported. Had a guy the other day do something similar in an ACC public lobby. I’m not the fastest racer so I gave some guy plenty of room to pass. A few turns later he brakes late and goes into the gravel. Eventually comes back on my bumper and I did the same. But during his pass he turned under braking and touched me. Didn’t upset my car much but he got spun bad. Unbeknownst to me, he sat at the same turn and waited for me so he could hit me. Entire time I’m thinking, why spend all this money and time playing sim racing if you are going to act like it’s a Forza lobby?
@@joshwilles7540 acc public lobbies are hives of scum and villainy, not even worth your time if you want a good race, I only use them to practice overtaking unpredictable drivers. even the competition servers are bad. ACC is for league racing.
@@flatsz i tend to find ACC some of the cleanest racing around. If you want shit driving then by all means, AMS2 and PC2 are notorious for it, and both are so full of bugs you wont ever really know if the ram was intentional or just another glitch.
@Nozz55 Nozzle Go play a smash em up game if thats the way you play. There’s sporting code in iRacing for a reason. There’s people who want fair, clean competition and that’s precisely what iRacing is for.
Quoting Fangio: it takes two drivers to complete an overtake. I always have the following approach in races: It's sim racing, there might be limited FOV, glitches, netcodes.....race....watch the replay....then act accordingly. Most important: learn so you don't get involved again in similar incidents
I think the "watch the replay" is so important, and I have to remember it better. I think we've all had incidents where it was either netcode and the driver I got mad at did absolutely nothing wrong, or another car hit the car and the second car hit me, etc. And after some incidents I've watched the replay and while I'd place most of the blame on the other driver, I did something weird or I found I could have done something better to avoid it (let off the gas, hit the brakes, whatever)
@@JamesPancoast Totally James. Recently got an incident and the other driver started to scream on the radio while racing...there was a third driver involved in the incident and he screamed "Watch the replay....." to the other driver....Turns out the 3rd driver was the one causing the colission, neither myself or the driver who was pissed at me.....
I heard "Mazda series" and "Charlotte" and my first reaction was "oh, shit, what did I do?" Rookie iRacer fear is real, kids. (No, it wasn't me. I'm only guilty of completely binning it into the chicane this week.)
I was leading the race here with a doofus behind me tapping me to 8x during the race during braking, but never managed to overtake me. Then into the last chicane on last lap, he crashed into the back of me during braking and I missed the corner, cut through it a bit and got a slow down warning JUST as a went over the line, which gave me a black flag and DQ'ed me from the race, while the bastard who hit me 9 times in total won the race with no punishment.
Obviously 4 is way out of line and you just can't do this and deserves a ban, but I certainly understand their frustration. We also need to start punishing stupidity. It was 8's responsibility to pass cleanly and there's no reason to hit 4 in the rear TWICE. I don't care if it's intentional or not. Your insurance doesn't care if you hit someone from behind. It's your fault. You can't just say "Oops, I didn't expect you to brake for the stop sign!" I'm fine with a little bumping and banging that doesn't wreck people with good racing, but just blatantly taking people out because of not paying attention closely enough or plain lack of courtesy to other people's time is ridiculous too. It's not fun to spend an hour practicing and then just get taking out by someone who just hopped into a race and doesn't care. Need to be nicer on both sides.
I agree with you but #8 car should be more careful. I am not trying to escuse the #4 car, he was despicable, but people on this days in iRacing is not saying "sorry" anymore, people are crashing from behind because a lack of care and attention to others...at least they should say sorry and give back the position....people, today never think to give back the position...I know sometime is impossible to avoid collision but you should give back the position anyway....
Agree completely. People play the "sorry" card after they ended your race and expect you to just move along to the next one. If you "accidentally" end someone's race, drop to the back of the field and they probably won't retaliate.
Exactly... Can't ride someone's ass, then punt them off like the #8 car did. The 1st collision was dumb too - #8 should have just lifted momentarily and stayed low when entering the banking, then he wouldn't have hit #4... The 1st collision wasn't as bad as the 2nd one though. 2nd collision was 100% the fault of the #8... He has to know that if he's a foot away from the #4 cars rear bumper, there's a 50/50 chance of the #4 braking sooner than him... Which is gonna cause a collision every time. The #8 was carrying too much speed into the chicanes on every lap and braking too late and too hard on each entry to BOTH chicanes in each lap also. Instead of the "slow in fast out" which is the proven way to go faster, he was going in too fast and scrubbing speed thru the exit of the chicanes, and therfore losing much more time than if he'd have braked slightly sooner into the chicanes. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw #8 was at fault also. I don't think he punted #4 on purpose, but it was still his fault. "Sorry I punted you, fucked your race and your stats" means nothing. Not punting someone means alot.
Sad part is the guy in the 4 car will get a warning. In my opinion anyone who does bs like that is gone for 30 days the first offense. Do it again and your gone for 90 days..do it again and your gone for good. There should be a very very strict tolerance on malicious bs like this.
Well....this reminds me of the incident with Lando Norris against Simon Pagenaud in the Pro Indycar Race on Iracing during Lockdown. Its a disgusting behaviour of #4 and I hope he will get banned.
It’s a video game. Get over it. I don’t care if you pay for it, you wanna not have that experience? Take all the dough you spent on your six rig, buy a cheap sports car, and go turn some laps at your local track.
@@toyotaecw wrong...it is a “...racing simulation...” plus the money you spend on iRacing won’t get you near a car as you describe 🙈 Best to stick to battle ships or whatever you play than comment on this! 😂😂
@@toyotaecw fair enough but I want to drive NASCAR, Indycar, FRenault3.5, Porsche RSR...so next best thing is iRacing and I think a lot of people are the same
does it? I think the majority of the people, including me, have the feeling that it doesnt do anything at all :D would be nice if we get a better feedback when someone got punished we reported a while ago.
@@WaskiLP Filing protests does work. Most of the time driver will just get a warning. Many times that warning is enough for them to realize that iRacing won't tolerate it, so they stop. Repeat offenders will get suspensions, and in extreme cases, permanently banned (I know of some drivers this happened to). The key to a successful protest is to take the time to give them the entire story. Don't just give them a short replay of the one incident. You need to give them the fully story and include replays of the incidents leading up to intentional wrecking. Many times this includes sending iRacing a replay of you accidently wrecking the person you are protesting. This video is a great example of what should be included in a protest.
@@WaskiLP It does, really. You always get feedback on a protest. If they find the protest invalid they will let you know. Sometimes it's also a matter of collecting several protests against a driver. I've had protests where I simply got the feedback that they already were looking into the matter based on another protest. An extreme example: Once I protested somebody who went full racist nazi in the voicechat. It wasn't even aimed at me, but this was really not acceptable. iRacing agreed and he didn't login again after that.
@@WaskiLP From all sim racing games, iRacing is probably the only one that actually does something when you reported somebody. There's plenty of people who have been banned and it didn't matter to them how much money they had spent or how famous they are. They just care about building a good sim with real-acting players
I figure if you’re racing in a public forum acting like a fool then put those names out there. Why even attempt to protect anyone who is clearly that malicious? I’d like to know so I can check his profile and see the complete dearth of racing for the next month or so…plus I’d like to know if they are in my split.
I suffered a similar situation a few months ago. I was too much of a rookie and missed how to report, I didn’t understand the procedure for a report. I had a very on the limits race with a driver on Laguna Seca and eventually made some contact. The man had a little spin, and got frustrated. The guy, looking for revenge, waited for me on the final lap to punt me out. I was really surprised people can get so angry on simracing. Thanks for putting that into display Dave!
My iracing philosophy: if I lose irating cos I’ve been bad I can take that. But if it’s because people have driven like morons I’m going to get salty 😂 This was a straight up premeditated serve up. It’s like those guys who are unnecessarily aggressive and pull the rUbBInG iS raciNg card.
That’s line is my personal peeve because it always gets quoted as a justification (usually) after the quotor has tried and failed to pull off a move that had no chance of success.
A bit of rubbing where the corner is 50/50, or at a push 60/40 in the best place for a move, but the dive bombers from 1 second back are extremely annoying, and unprotestable, as is the SR hit. I think my biggest gripe is getting a -4 on the ovals with a yellow flag after avoiding the accident that caused it 5 seconds previously.
I don’t agreed what #4 did he Deserves to get kick out. But I also think # 8 should have wait it for him after taking him out. He took him out and just keep racing like nothing happened. Usually if I take some one like that I wait because is not fair for the guy to get taking out while I keep racing my race like nothing happens. I see a lot is people just moving people out of the way just like that because they think there faster and they loosing to much time behind them.
I would personally not have waited if I was #8, but of course would have apologized inmediately over voice chat. I mean, you have an incident, bad luck. If you are to blame, fine, apologize then carry on.
I have a mate a few weeks ago get taken out by a guy who wanted revenge. They had a slight first lap contact at Monza, racing incident. The guy was having a shit race, made a few mistakes, then span out of lesmo-2 broke his front wing. He then waiting for a good minute, letting other cars pass, had plenty of easy opportunities to turn around before booting it and driving straight into my mate, and took him out. Reported him, hope he got a ban.
Of course they don't want to loose paying customers. But this behaviour goes beyond that. I hear someone say "I'm gonna report you" almost every race I do in iRacing but it's always for some small mistake or even a race incident or netcode. Some people seems to think the report is like a race stewart.
Iv been playing iracing for about 2 week and love it, but I had a similar thing happen to me in a mx5 race and the guy waited till I came round again and cleaned me out into the first corner. I also had a back marker take me out in a skippy race last night when I was in 3rd and he was 12th. 3rd would have been my best result in the skippy 🤬
Unreal, no room for that sort of behavior. I had a similar situation last week where a driver overtook me on the right side at straight at summit point. I kept my line into turn one but he crossed over and hit the brakes early causing a love tap....racing incident. I always do cool down laps and take it into the pit as you mentioned to do that in one of your videos about a year ago. This geezer hunted me down and took me out, hit me twice for a 8x. Reported and iRacing handled it, I'll send you the footage on twitter. Well done on not name shaming as well mate, class.
Pretty shocking display. It was hard but fair racing up until a point, then the #4 just took it to a level not acceptable in fair competition. Let’s hope idiots like that get booted off, good on you for making a vid about it.
Hard but fair...(?). #8 took little regard for the race of #4. #8 rear-ended #4 twice. One time is a mistake. Twice is not caring how you treat another driver. I cannot excuse #8, rookie mazda or not. Sure the obvious retaliation by #4 is wrong. But, as well, the obvious ‘i don’t care if I wreck your race or not’, as exhibited by #8 is not acceptable either.
@@jffmyr hard but fair up until a point, as I said. There’s no doubt that #4 was the one in the wrong here. #8 made mistakes, I doubt that they were deliberate, but what #4 did was much worse.
How was he able to continue racing after taking the short cut? I was doing a race at Daytona RC a while back and clipped the grass by turn 2-3 which sent me flying into the middle of the grass area. After slowing down enough I tried turning the car around to get back where I went off at and the sim DQed me before I could get back to the racing surface.
Right, especially since I'm mainly a oval racer, when they keep throwing blocks I stick my nose in there right when they block again so then they just go accross my nose. Idk if it works the same in road racing, because there was one guy in rookie mazdas a couple days ago who kept divebombing and ramming me, I'd get the run in the corners and he'd block me down to the grass and then almost like stop almost completely instead of using the proper amount of braking to make the corner. Since it was Mazdas I mean I accidentally rammed him and gave him a 0x, but if that was stock cars even at a road course and I was the one doing that I'd of been punted off the track. Eventually he crashed out and rage quit, but I got stuck with P2 because he was holding me up the entire race.
Like most of us, I own many different race sim games. I play , and pay for iracing so I don't have to be bothered by this type of recklessness because of the accountability. I hope iracing proves themselves worthy on this one. But it was kinda funny to watch this video ill admit
I've only been on iRacing about 6-7 weeks and nearly walked away from it yesterday in Skip and 488 GT3 races having exactly the same done to me at least 4 times in 1 day. It's a top game / sim and spoiled by these types. Pathetic.
@@MajorWolf72 I did think about it but the file size of the replay is too big and I’d have to edit it into smaller chunks. I couldn’t be bothered with it and not sure how to do it if I’m honest.
@@johngoddard1973 It’s easily done opening the replay and then using the built in cutting tool. I had to do it for the first time recently, took me one trial and error and not more than 10 minutes to have 3 clips from different perspectives of the incident.
Dave, very well presented! And yes, we've all felt "that" level of anger but most of us have better control over our emotions and think twice before retaliating. When protests are filed, I think iRacing Stewards do a good job in taking emotion out of the equation and look at the bigger picture when it comes to all involved, including iRacing's bottom line. And they should. Thanks for providing an example for what is a clear-cut, extreme case in a professional manner! Cheers dude!
Also, I feel compelled now to invent a transporter so weenies in a situation like this can be sent off to a field to smack each other around. I'll let you guys know when I have it all worked out.
That should not happen, but there are actually more drivers active, braking too late way too often. These people ruined more of my races than the revenge rampage guys. So yeah , what’s worse... ? Hard to tell...
100% with you it's the ones that brack late are the worst. Can't prove if they meant to do it. And when you say something they say, I had the race line you shouldn't be so slow.
Thanks for sharing Dave. The word disgraceful is the only word that comes to mind after watch the video. I hope iracing takes this event seriously and places an appropriate punishment.
Dave, when you are behind you must break slightly ahead unless you are trying to overtake... this is terrible behavior but you understand why he is pissed right?
@@davecamm no but if the 8 apologies you defuse the situation straight away I think more drivers need to do this and we’d have a lot less of these situation but still the 4 was bang out of order and does deserve a break
@@craighuddy5351 how do you know the 8 didn't apologize? I was in a race where I bumped a guy, and even though I apologized in voice immediately and sent a PM later he still called me every name in the book and said he would protest me. I made this mistake, took ownership, still didn't matter. At least my opponent didn't do this crap.
@@devilmaster73 sure it won’t solve all these situations but it will help, sure you will always get a few that won’t accept an apology but I still think it helps in most situations
Had basically the same thing happen to me but it was in practice session... I was newer to iRacing at the time and couldn’t figure out how to report with the replay clips lol
as far as i know, Iracing does not enforce the rules in practice sessions. I've met several folks in rookie ovals that will drive slow and try to wreck you every lap during practice, just to be a nuisance, then get in a race with them and they get 0x. They know the rules are unenforceable in practice sessions
@@Ben_Chillin they do, they add it to your file and people have been warned for doing stupid things on official test servers. Most people just don't report practice incidents
Good vid Dave and something that needs highlighting. There is absolutely no question about #8 totally unacceptable driving behaviour and I don't condone it for a second. However, #4 could of judged things a little better in my opinion especially after nudging him once already. I'm surprised #8 got away with the detour!!
I hit some one at Silverstone my fault missed my breaking zone at the end of the race someone else hit this guy but the difference was at the end of the race i gave him my position i apologized for hitting him in messaging and he apologized for swearing at me he did say thanks at the end of the race for the position but that what's racing is heat of the mount but not loosing your head and holding your hands up when you make a mistake but idiots like the #4 car that's a different issue iracing is not for them they haven't got the intelligence plus skill or the frame of mind for iracing. I had one worse than this when someone came across the grass in a race to take out the leader missed him and took me out i was the 8th person to report him sad but these people have sneaked on in good good faith only to ruin peoples races
Dave, I think most of us have had experience of this sort of thing. The problem is, and we, as a club, have discussed this so much, that we never know if our protest has had any effect. If there was a sort of yellow card system, ie three yellows and you get a month ban, once you have made a protest if they got back to you and said " we have viewed your protest and a yellow card was issued" then it would be worth making a protest. As team manager of TCE Virtual motor sport most of our drivers do not make protests, or not as much as they should.
A long time ago, I reported someone while in rookie class stock cars for wrecking me. The response from iracing was similar to "its rookie class, improve and this will change." I was pissed off at the time. Now, I'm A class and can say truly, they were right. Banning the guy would have been the wrong move, and it wouldnt have helped me to improve. Iracing isnt just about the occasional guy who intentionally wrecks you, its about knowing that people inherently are terrible drivers and have bad attitudes, then making sure you never tap into that attitude. Once you do that, your license class rises, and you start racing people with similar mindsets. Then the real racing begins
This has been going on since the start of the service. I just got tired of protesting these types of deals and as the racing progressively got worse, I quit dealing with it and quit. Until iracing decides to actively punish these behaviors it's not worth the trouble for me to get back into it.
Had similar before on rookie oval. Salty people just sit on the inside track, wait for the lead pack to come round and just drive out into the middle of the road.
Car 8 could have avoided both the collisions that was his fault, but there was no excuse for the retailation that followed by car 4. IMO both drivers could have been far safer, this car is super slow so you always have time to react to a car jumping the curb in front, or approaching a braking zone. I say give them both a demotion/ban!
5:15 im not going to defend the 4 car or his actions following the incedent, BUT i think the 8 car deserves some heat to! these are the types of little mistakes that have a far to big outcome, that really shouldnt happen! yet on iracing they happen far to often to the point that it makes a supossed ''sim'' appear as an arcade. i race for fun and this is the type of things that takes out all the fun of it. You want to be able to trust the other drivers around you so you can have close racing and battle for position. ofcourse on iracing you cant do that unless youre in a leauge with friends. when youre right behind someone going into a brakingzone, you have to start braking earlier than them. the 8 car is clearly just waiting for the 4 car to brake first even when he knows he wont be able to overtake him, in my opinion this shows a lack of respect from the 8 car, and it might even be on pourpose.
The 8 car breaking would be classed as a racing indecent and not on purpose everyone makes a mistake and he shouldn't get stick, What the 4 car does is inexcusable you can't just hit people off and get mad because of a mistake and if it wasn't fine he's right and report the 8 but this is why i gave up on Iracing even at a high level if you make a mistake people jump on it and think it's on purpose.
My opinion, for what it's worth...This is a product of the 'hotlapping' mentality created by modern racing games that even permeates up into the top echelons of irl racing. There is NOT only one 'fast' racing line where a field of cars is concerned. Racing is a high speed chess game where you put yourself in the best position to effect a pass on the car in front of you. I find that on the occasion that I start fast and beat the hotlappers to T1 they tend to be at a total loss to how they will get around me, apart from deliberately tapping you out of the way. Modern motor racing, 2 or 4 wheels, seems to be almost totally bereft of race craft. Sitting right under your opponents rear wing only guarantees 2 things. 1/ you will eventually hit him, and 2/ you won't get past him, as you are being forced to drive his lap plan. "Never ride in your opponent wheel tracks if you intend to get past him" is the best advice I was ever given when racing bikes back in the 80's. But, this requires solid concentration and many can't manage it. Both of these drivers were at fault and need a stern talking too. But, the deliberate takeout is unforgivable. This behavior would result in a punched nose in the back of the pit in the real world. Virtual racing MUST be treated in the mind as real, and that you could kill the other driver with your poor actions...or it's just a arcade game and not worth our time.
Same thing happened to me in Mazda’s a while back. I reported it but I have no idea if it ever went through. Someone takes a racing incident too personal and then they sit on the side of the track trying to take you out
For the life of me I just don't understand why people get this angry during a sim race especially an MX5 race. If he's that mad about losing iRating then that's a problem. I stick by the opinion that iRating should be an unlisted number, you should not even be able to see your own iRating
Don’t know when that guy joined but I’ve noticed a huge drop in racing competence since around March or April, in the lower classes. In ARCA races I was taken out by someone 40 laps down, drove straight through me because he had fresh tires and then someone 3 laps down dive bombed me. Both times I was running top 5.
This sort of behavior has seemingly increased since the whole iracing pro series, where drivers would behave rather badly if someone wrecked them on accident, There were atleast 5 Disqualifications I can remember in the NASCAR series and Im sure there were more in others too. People think if the pros can do it then they can too.
I'll admit, I lost my cool in a MX-5 race once. I understand racing incidents occur, but there are some drivers who make their actions too apparent you can't help but react accordingly. I had a guy who was trailing me through the final turn at the Jefferson Circuit at Summit Point, he came out of the turn faster than me and I was defending my position successfully. As he was finally able to overtake on a straightaway, he thought he'd be slick by passing real close on my left and give me a bump, so I bumped back, sent him off track and he crashed into the wall after losing control on the grass. Did I feel bad? Not at all. He knew what he was doing and he reaped what he sowed. But the #4 car here is just a grade A asshat doing what he did.
I have felt high amounts of rage on several occasions but resisted the urge and on review in the replay i could see it was not deliberate. I have only had to report one person for excessive blocking - They were all over the track and every time i got alongside they would push me into the grass. about 10 times over several laps.
ah, ACC, I did one online 'race' (nurburgring, I kinda made it around the T1 hairpin before I finally gave up, I got passed the t1 online in Wreckfest with less damage. iracing is much better, but the driving standards still leave a lot to be desired.
I totally agree with the idea that these guys shouldn't be in iRacing, but when we report this to iRacing Staff in most cases they say "we should be competing with higher irating". In most cases I see this kind of situation in top splits, and nothing seems to be done by the iRacing staff. They say "notified of the outcome" in all cases, but I follow these dirty drivers and see them running normally. So I don't know if it's worth wasting time trying to protest, it's frustrating ...
He's not a noob. He has a 2000+ iRating and B-class License. He's been doing close to 500 races since he started in 2016. This has nothing to do with "Forza driver" or "struggle to get out of rookies".
Everyone has bad days you dony know whats going on in there head, unexcusable move but i think its also important to leave room for forgiveness a temporary punishment sure but nothing too serious
Before I bought lfs I played and demo lobbies and it's full of terrible terrible racers, hackers, and overall bullies. So after getting stupid rammers saying hi all day it's easy to get upset. But sometimes just about the time you blow your top if you see the replay it was actually avoidable or at least I could have made it less devastating. Anyways point being sometimes it's not intentional. People get slammed, spun or whatever into you or it's your fault. So being forgiving and keeping a cool head has saved me from slamming a guy the 1 time it was an accident lol
I've only watched a few of your races but yours are the only ones caught my attention enough to really sit quiet and watch and listen to the whole video,your content is great and your always so fair.respect in any situation is a two way street but unfortunately we don't always recieve in return what we give out but we should.awful racing from the car number 4! Love your content......🙂👍🏻
@@davecamm no problem dave thanks for the reply 🙂 it's your honest casual professional approach that i think gives your content its winning formula.your just a likeable fella,God bless.
I have a fun replay like that saved from a Skippy Race on Interlagos. Driver made an error on lap one and took himself out on my back tire. On the last lap, he laid up for the straight before the Senna Esses to make sure he was in front me, pulled in front at the last moment and slammed the brakes. It WAS going to be my first win.
First rule of "iForza" drivers - you punt me / you're better than me, than I destroy you. I am very fresh to iRacing community and I had also soo many chances to "take revange" on someone who unintentionally (or not) put me out of track, because of mistakes beeing made, but as you said Dave - this feeling dissappears, but only if you are committed to stay fair player. I personally think many people came here with mentality of "win at all cost". My first races i was happy to be in top 10 with possitive ratings 🙃 I guess - that's not enough for some.
Should be banned for a month but do the same again it should be a life ban, we all make mistakes and inadvertently take a car out and it happens the other way round, that’s racing but premeditated actions should be punished without fail.
The protest system in iRacing is great. They really want everyone to have a positive experience. I had a guy cost me what would have been my first ever win in retaliation for a mistake I made earlier in the race. He slowed down, let me catch him on my final lap and just took me out. Losing that first win was painful but knowing he got a two week ban gave me some comfort. I think I won the next race after that too and moved from D to C not long after
I've been sent spinning from P1 to 45 seconds behind everyone else because someone punted me off at Turn 1. I just go into the pits, swap out tires and repair damage if possible and finish the race. It's online racing. And even in games/programs where there is skill based matching, there are still huge gaps in experience and skill. Then there are guys who drive into YOU and then blame YOU for the incident. Crying and bitching about it the whole race even though replay clearly shows it was them that caused the contact. The difference is I'm not a 38 year old playing in my mom's basement so totally disillusioned that Ferrari will offer me a seat with Charles Leclerc for next year's F1 season if I get my ratings high enough. And I don't watch motorsports events where pu Eople spend alternate race weekends taking each other out. *cough* Nascar *cough* It's just a game. People make mistakes. Unless you're a streamer or esports user (I'm not going to say athlete, most of these guys look like they don't even know what a gym is) you're not losing or winning money from anything. Just relax and stop killing all the fun in sim racing.
The offender probably got wrecked a whole lot that day, and snapped. It's not really an excuse, but people on iRacing get wrecked at no fault of their own way too often which is understandably frustrating. I don't think first time offenders should be permanently banned. I've felt like retaliating after getting wrecked before, but I didn't act on it. I think the offender thought the other driver wrecked him on purpose.
I have been a subscriber to Iracing for about 2 months, in all the races I have done there has been someone who pushed me off the track. I thought Iracing was better than other sims, but it doesn't.
I had a similar experience at LImerock in the Mazda. I was overtaking a guy at a much faster speed and sideswiped him after he forced me off the inside of the little dogleg before the chicane. I was on the grass trying to make the right curve. Didn't work well. We both ended up spinning, and he decided to turn around and come backwards down the track to slam me as I was backing off the wall. And then he backed up to do it again. THEN, after we both quit to the pits, he turned around and came backwards down pitlane to slam me again, no knowing that we were shadows. He went through my car and got hung up on the wall. Thankfully it was practice. And it was rookie class, he had even 2.50 Irating, so I figured he was new and didn't know any better yet. I just quit the practice session to let him cool down.
Iracing could do something like give drivers who‘ve been banned recently and are under probation a mandatory special „livery of shame“ that’s instantly recognized by all other drivers. Public disgrace has a chilling effect on some hotheads...
WOW, that's actually a very good idea!
the real purpose of the dunce hat
yes, like a bright orange livery with warning written on it or something
Bright yellow car with black and yellow crash test dummy symbols all over it.
That's a really good idea! Perhaps make them ghosted too. That way they can't hurt anyone.
iRacing takes care of all issues like this if a protest is filed. We may give a coaching note or two before suspending someone but if the behavior continues that member will be removed from the service. We encourage all to send a protest whenever anyone intentionally wrecks someone or retaliates against someone. We will be happy to address the issue appropriately.
I've been with iRacing since 2008 and one of the reasons I have stayed is because of the ability of protest and iRacing's ability to keep the racing as clean as possible. It's better than any sim on the market.
@JedStrogan just get better
Then you guys need to get to the intentional punt I reported a week ago.
Please give car#4 a stern warning and/or a temporary ban. And talk to your bosses to allow us to protest "avoidable contact" and "reckless driving." That would go a long way in making the racing better on your service.
You should punish more severely like people hitting the back, because it always ends with a race in the front car
actually how was he not dq'd for cutting the track like that? he still managed to do a couple laps after cutting half the track.
even if you do get a black flag for anything regardless what it is you get four laps to serve your black flag penalties.
@@deronshank75 if u cut track u get a time penalty if u dont serve it then get dq. he should have received a time penalty but there must be a bug with that.
@@deronshank75 or just nor had the lap count. Black flags are a bit weird, I've got them from going around the same corner twice (spun and it was quicker and safer to return to the track before the corner I'd spun on)
Number 4 should be banned, especially for short cutting like that.
Or fix the damn track lol. I like how you say they should be banned for abusing a bad design. My 1st race on this track, everyone was doing it. Not gonna lose 2 F ucking seconds to people im faster than, because they do that thing, and they can do that all the way down to the final turn. Fix the game before banning people lol. Any other game would be giving you a penalty or something js. So i won't touch this track at all. For one, don't like that dumb crap, and I don't like using it, and If i see others doing it, im gonna too as you don't get in trouble. Fix the game, simple as that really.
@@Mjdecker1234 So instead of punishing cheaters you want to change the track? You cant be serious. Im guessing you are the cheater in this video.
Can't believe anyone can make excuses for the premeditated wrecking. He should be banned. It's console mentality. Shouldn't have to put up with this for a subscription racing game that is far more expensive than others.
@@smtbigelow its not "cheaters", its bad programmers and lazy job. Some cheats are hard to avoid, others are plain laziness.
Back in July I had lost my temper in a Arca race. Short story.....I purposely took another driver out and then in my infinite wisdom proceeded to give him a piece of my mind. Come the next day I went to race and boom......The driver protested me and Nim gave me a 1 month competitive racing ban and a 3 month communication ban. Moral of my story is, it’s not worth it! Looking back on this I’m somewhat ashamed of my actions. Yes I was angry...but retaliation on the track or verbally or both, is never a good thing. Lesson learned.
Restecp
It's only human to lose your temper and it's great that you realised afterwards that this was not the best way to take revenge. I protested someone else for the first time a week ago. We touched in a corner because I was drafting him and he swerved left and right to block me. We both stayed on track but I managed to pass him.
In the next corner where you have to brake down for a narrow chicane.. he didn't brake and rammed me full speed. In the chat afterwards he only told me it was his 'thank you' for touching him. I felt bad protesting him, it felt a bit of a Nazi move, but I hope he learns the same lesson too. Accidents can happen but purposely taking someone out is just a big no-no in Iracing.
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy Well....I actually did learn not to do that again. So yes...I did learn something!
@arsonist_1 I would have understood I messed up.
you should be poor sportsmanship is an awful quality to possess. but at least you owned to your mistake
Happened to me at Laguna in the Skippy. I braked with a wheel on the grass and collected someone. I immediately apologised. He waited next lap and rammed me in the wall at the corkscrew, then came over the radio laughing, swearing and taunting me! I found it really disconcerting. Almost made me regret getting a subscription. I can do without the toxicity really. I always strive to race fairly and if someone is obviously much quicker, I let them through without an issue... I hate this sort of thing. Spoils what is essentially a great service.
Report it and help keep the service clean for us all. Dont let a bad egg get you down. We have some amazing people on the service. Most people in my experience.
Report it, but don’t let it affect you that much either. You can’t be on the verge of quitting something you enjoy because someone swore and taunted you who wasn’t even at your RL location. I guess if it really bothered you you could turn of the radio chat in the option screen.
This is critical, on the one hand you ruin someone’s race, on the other hand, he is too mean to revenge
Now we just need ol’ Nim to make a channel where he decides disputes like these. It’d be like those late night court shows on the tele haha
I don't even play iracing and this would be great
The problem with iRacing isn't these guys. These guys are rare, and when they do what they do, it's obvious and they are removed.
The problem with iRacing is the guys that mask what they do. They subtlety tap your rear end and make you spin. They play games on rolling starts. They use netcode to their advantage and swerve towards you and swerve away. They don't back out when they know it's not their corner.
The reason the guys like I described are allowed to do what they do is because iRacing will look at a replay and just say "oh, that was just a mistake." or "oh, that was just a racing incident.", when it's not. A solution to this is giving out smaller punishments for BAD DRIVING. iRating penalties, series suspensions, championship point deductions. There needs to be consequences for racing incidents. Giving each guy a 4x and be on your way does nothing to make the racing cleaner. Guys that ruin races don't give a shit about safety rating. I just got out of a race where I was clear ahead of a guy into a turn after he made a mistake. I hit the apex and tracked out towards the exit and the guy just drives into my rear tire and spins me into the wall, ending my race. He of course continued on and there's nothing I can protest. Incidents like those are what you see every single race. And there's no punishment for it. Protesting does nothing.
You can protest reckless driving and it in fact goes on the driver's record. I know this for a fact because when I first started 5 years ago I was super aggressive. I did not intentionally spin anybody or hook them, but I made a bunch of questionable moves that led to wrecks.
After a while, I actually got an email from Nim wanting to talk about my driving, he actually called my cell to talk about it. He let me know that there was a bunch of people who reported me, and even though he did not think I was intentionally wrecking people, my over-aggressive driving was leading to a ton of ruined races and it was an issue.
I took our conversation to heart, cleaned up my driving a bit, made smarter passes, and have not had a single issue since.
So if you see unsafe driving, report it, it will be documented and eventually coaching will take place.
My suggestion to you is start from the back. You get out of lower divisions a lot quicker. As soon as I got to class C for oval racing (my main discipline) I haven’t had much issues with idiot drivers crashing into me. Maybe I’m just lucky but if you get out of the lower levels, you tend to race with people who stay out of trouble more often than not
@@runswithscisors1110 this is horrid advice honestly, and it hardly ever works out as intended. You may be the rare lucky case when it did work but generally starting in the back and just farming safety teaches nothing.
It also usually ends up in a loss of irating and that will put you into a lower split aka less skilled drivers.
Then you're stuck in a car you're not ready for, with race craft that you've not developed, accident avoidance skills that you've not honed, all with low irating drivers who also probably did the same thing you did.
My advice is stay in rookies until you make top split in the rookie division and you can compete with the drivers in that split and you're not just a back marker. Then move up.
I think you will find that for the most part if you're fast, get to the front portion of the field that there are far less issues up there. Especially since cautions are off in rookie series on oval.
But this would lead to the problem that you have to be afraid to make a somewhat risky move. I am not talking about Hail Mary divebomb or sticking your nose up to the rear bumper, but things like going two wide into a turn with both cars at the same height. If i have to be afraid to get punished for a move that might end up as a racing incident some people might no longer race.vAnd with race i mean proper racing, not doing laps for the SR and collecting freebies and not some stupid stuff you mentioned.
But how can the system tell the difference between racing incident and 150m divebombs? I remember a few races in the KIA, one in particular from Road America. I was fighting and was wheelbanging with the other guy for the lead for the whole 25min. Thanks to giving each other from time to time a little love tab we ended up with 3*4x. And that was some really good racing! Hence the memory even if that race was over 2 years ago. Even race Stewards can‘t agree on some situations in the real world, and they know the bigger context. Same goes for a League i am part of where there are a team of stewards who review every incident and they know some of the drivers for over 6 years. So they can tell if something was on purpose, and honesty mistake (which still leads to some penalties if it was avoidable .
So how can one create a system that can tell the difference between 3 harmless love taps in a Touring Car and a 4x that sends you into the fence because the other driver was just brain afk in that situation? Sometimes its not even a 4x, you also have to think about the 0x -> 1x. You got the version of that ends for lets say one car in the wall but this 0x -> 1x could also be the result of some good hard clean wheel banging at a track like spa.
I know the situations i drew out are that (sadly) 1 in 1000 times when those 1x or 4x are harmless and that the „normal“ (which is even more sad) current situation is the one you pictured. One could also add a max x-count per season/week per series. But then you have the problem that you punish the guy who does like 10 races per week with like 2 offtracks per race vs the no practice no racecraft guy who wrecks once per week after 4 laps. One could come up with a fancy inc/race formula but that could be exploited... yadi yadi yada.
This is exactly what I wrote, we all know how to knock out someone, itis even pretty easy to do and it is due to iRacing poor tyre grip model (if you go beyond tyre grip, you all of a sudden don't grip at all anymore). Hitting a car from behind making its rear tyres slip a bit will pretty luch mean spin or offtrack for the front car, which doesn't exist in many other games like ACC or rFactor 2.
When it's 2am and you're watching a 10 minute long video about dirty racing on a racing sim you've never even heard of
lol
I discovered "sim racing " in the early hours of the morning myself with a video titled something similar about a dirty driver and asking for people's thoughts.I used to absolutely love codemaaters toca on playstation 2 and that was last time I was really enjoying car games.I ended up getting a logitech g920 with the shifter and the playseat challenge and although I don't race online I absolutely love playing against ai on project cars,its soooo good.
@@Bakus74 it does, assetto corsa competizione is one
@@Bakus74 it does, assetto corsa competizione is one
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good of you to highlight this Dave, without nameshaming anyone as such a big influence in iRacing.
would of been helpful if you included a little tutorial on how to report someone though.
for the newer guys, and even the more experienced.
When you view your results from any event, there is a link towards the top that you can click on to File a Protest (it should be directly above the winners Car#, Name and Start Pos). You'll have to wait 30 minutes after the end of the event to submit a protest. You'll also need a clip of the replay or a recording from game capture to include in your protest.
At the top of the Protest form is a dropdown box to select the violation in question. Once the violation is selected, more fields will appear including the driver being protested, a description of the complaint as well as options to upload up to three attachments. Click Submit Protest and let iRacing take care of the rest.
I hope ProSimRig pays you well, because sometimes, I just stare at your mat in the background.
Finished the video. Completely agree, these people need to be called out and reported. Had a guy the other day do something similar in an ACC public lobby. I’m not the fastest racer so I gave some guy plenty of room to pass. A few turns later he brakes late and goes into the gravel. Eventually comes back on my bumper and I did the same. But during his pass he turned under braking and touched me. Didn’t upset my car much but he got spun bad. Unbeknownst to me, he sat at the same turn and waited for me so he could hit me.
Entire time I’m thinking, why spend all this money and time playing sim racing if you are going to act like it’s a Forza lobby?
@@joshwilles7540 I am building my first AluRig at the moment and I have ordered the mat from SimRig... inspired by the videos from DC :-)
Hahaha. I wish 😁
@@joshwilles7540 acc public lobbies are hives of scum and villainy, not even worth your time if you want a good race, I only use them to practice overtaking unpredictable drivers. even the competition servers are bad. ACC is for league racing.
@@flatsz i tend to find ACC some of the cleanest racing around. If you want shit driving then by all means, AMS2 and PC2 are notorious for it, and both are so full of bugs you wont ever really know if the ram was intentional or just another glitch.
Dirty drivers on all sims spoil it for others
iRacing Court is now in session. Please make this a series, Your Honor.
Yes please
@Nozz55 Nozzle Go play a smash em up game if thats the way you play. There’s sporting code in iRacing for a reason. There’s people who want fair, clean competition and that’s precisely what iRacing is for.
@Nozz55 Nozzle You’re off your rocker, go to bed mate
Kiddies playtime, is it?
@@MarkPentler just having a bit of fun before he's out of here 😁
Quoting Fangio: it takes two drivers to complete an overtake. I always have the following approach in races: It's sim racing, there might be limited FOV, glitches, netcodes.....race....watch the replay....then act accordingly. Most important: learn so you don't get involved again in similar incidents
I think the "watch the replay" is so important, and I have to remember it better. I think we've all had incidents where it was either netcode and the driver I got mad at did absolutely nothing wrong, or another car hit the car and the second car hit me, etc.
And after some incidents I've watched the replay and while I'd place most of the blame on the other driver, I did something weird or I found I could have done something better to avoid it (let off the gas, hit the brakes, whatever)
@@JamesPancoast Totally James. Recently got an incident and the other driver started to scream on the radio while racing...there was a third driver involved in the incident and he screamed "Watch the replay....." to the other driver....Turns out the 3rd driver was the one causing the colission, neither myself or the driver who was pissed at me.....
Back in 2017 I was doing a Daytona Oval race in the trucks and someone literally was driving backwards, destroyed the ENTIRE pack
That's funny lol, did you burst into laughter? I feel bad for everyone involved for their iRating and Safety Rating getting destroyed though.
@@The98Man098 I was pretty mad at the time because i was in the top 5 but its only 1 race, looking back on it i can.
I've never personally seen anything like that in my year of racing on iracing. But to be honest I'd Crack up
I heard "Mazda series" and "Charlotte" and my first reaction was "oh, shit, what did I do?"
Rookie iRacer fear is real, kids.
(No, it wasn't me. I'm only guilty of completely binning it into the chicane this week.)
Wait till you drive the V8SC series,cars no driver assist and made of paper mache
Charlotte mmm It is actually a good circuit but when idiots like this get let out of their cages carnage breaks loose
Same exact thought came across for me
I was leading the race here with a doofus behind me tapping me to 8x during the race during braking, but never managed to overtake me. Then into the last chicane on last lap, he crashed into the back of me during braking and I missed the corner, cut through it a bit and got a slow down warning JUST as a went over the line, which gave me a black flag and DQ'ed me from the race, while the bastard who hit me 9 times in total won the race with no punishment.
Obviously 4 is way out of line and you just can't do this and deserves a ban, but I certainly understand their frustration. We also need to start punishing stupidity. It was 8's responsibility to pass cleanly and there's no reason to hit 4 in the rear TWICE. I don't care if it's intentional or not. Your insurance doesn't care if you hit someone from behind. It's your fault. You can't just say "Oops, I didn't expect you to brake for the stop sign!" I'm fine with a little bumping and banging that doesn't wreck people with good racing, but just blatantly taking people out because of not paying attention closely enough or plain lack of courtesy to other people's time is ridiculous too. It's not fun to spend an hour practicing and then just get taking out by someone who just hopped into a race and doesn't care. Need to be nicer on both sides.
I agree with you but #8 car should be more careful. I am not trying to escuse the #4 car, he was despicable, but people on this days in iRacing is not saying "sorry" anymore, people are crashing from behind because a lack of care and attention to others...at least they should say sorry and give back the position....people, today never think to give back the position...I know sometime is impossible to avoid collision but you should give back the position anyway....
Well said. If he gave the position back all would be cool.
Agree completely. People play the "sorry" card after they ended your race and expect you to just move along to the next one. If you "accidentally" end someone's race, drop to the back of the field and they probably won't retaliate.
I’m pretty sure i’ve seen Dave do that in a race before. Give a spot back etc.
Exactly... Can't ride someone's ass, then punt them off like the #8 car did.
The 1st collision was dumb too - #8 should have just lifted momentarily and stayed low when entering the banking, then he wouldn't have hit #4... The 1st collision wasn't as bad as the 2nd one though.
2nd collision was 100% the fault of the #8... He has to know that if he's a foot away from the #4 cars rear bumper, there's a 50/50 chance of the #4 braking sooner than him... Which is gonna cause a collision every time. The #8 was carrying too much speed into the chicanes on every lap and braking too late and too hard on each entry to BOTH chicanes in each lap also.
Instead of the "slow in fast out" which is the proven way to go faster, he was going in too fast and scrubbing speed thru the exit of the chicanes, and therfore losing much more time than if he'd have braked slightly sooner into the chicanes.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw #8 was at fault also. I don't think he punted #4 on purpose, but it was still his fault.
"Sorry I punted you, fucked your race and your stats" means nothing.
Not punting someone means alot.
Sad part is the guy in the 4 car will get a warning. In my opinion anyone who does bs like that is gone for 30 days the first offense. Do it again and your gone for 90 days..do it again and your gone for good. There should be a very very strict tolerance on malicious bs like this.
Even a 3 day would be a start.
Well....this reminds me of the incident with Lando Norris against Simon Pagenaud in the Pro Indycar Race on Iracing during Lockdown. Its a disgusting behaviour of #4 and I hope he will get banned.
I totally agree! I thought the same. But with the pro race they were never going to let Lando win or punish Simon Salty Pagenuad!
It’s a video game. Get over it. I don’t care if you pay for it, you wanna not have that experience? Take all the dough you spent on your six rig, buy a cheap sports car, and go turn some laps at your local track.
@@toyotaecw wrong...it is a “...racing simulation...” plus the money you spend on iRacing won’t get you near a car as you describe 🙈 Best to stick to battle ships or whatever you play than comment on this! 😂😂
@@AdamLegend27 Plenty of late model Camaros, Mustangs, Miatas etc that probably cost less than that monitor setup
@@toyotaecw fair enough but I want to drive NASCAR, Indycar, FRenault3.5, Porsche RSR...so next best thing is iRacing and I think a lot of people are the same
Fair game for leaving out the names. Reporting helps btw. It can also help build a file when there are multiple smaller reports.
does it? I think the majority of the people, including me, have the feeling that it doesnt do anything at all :D would be nice if we get a better feedback when someone got punished we reported a while ago.
@@WaskiLP Filing protests does work. Most of the time driver will just get a warning. Many times that warning is enough for them to realize that iRacing won't tolerate it, so they stop. Repeat offenders will get suspensions, and in extreme cases, permanently banned (I know of some drivers this happened to).
The key to a successful protest is to take the time to give them the entire story. Don't just give them a short replay of the one incident. You need to give them the fully story and include replays of the incidents leading up to intentional wrecking. Many times this includes sending iRacing a replay of you accidently wrecking the person you are protesting. This video is a great example of what should be included in a protest.
@@WaskiLP It does, really. You always get feedback on a protest. If they find the protest invalid they will let you know. Sometimes it's also a matter of collecting several protests against a driver. I've had protests where I simply got the feedback that they already were looking into the matter based on another protest. An extreme example: Once I protested somebody who went full racist nazi in the voicechat. It wasn't even aimed at me, but this was really not acceptable. iRacing agreed and he didn't login again after that.
@@WaskiLP From all sim racing games, iRacing is probably the only one that actually does something when you reported somebody. There's plenty of people who have been banned and it didn't matter to them how much money they had spent or how famous they are. They just care about building a good sim with real-acting players
I figure if you’re racing in a public forum acting like a fool then put those names out there. Why even attempt to protect anyone who is clearly that malicious? I’d like to know so I can check his profile and see the complete dearth of racing for the next month or so…plus I’d like to know if they are in my split.
I suffered a similar situation a few months ago. I was too much of a rookie and missed how to report, I didn’t understand the procedure for a report. I had a very on the limits race with a driver on Laguna Seca and eventually made some contact. The man had a little spin, and got frustrated. The guy, looking for revenge, waited for me on the final lap to punt me out. I was really surprised people can get so angry on simracing. Thanks for putting that into display Dave!
Love that format. I enjoy how you present these, alot. Please make this a series.
Cutting the curb by half a pixel: *Slow down 3 seconds*
Cutting the circuit by a mile: *woah, bruh, drive safe. Take this 1x*
Makes sense.
Is the iRacing cutting the track disqualification not working any more.
#4 should never be allowed on the service again!
How do you get ahead of it?
@@sametty Tell his mom!
Not necessarily. Hopefully he'll learn and moderate his behaviour.
My iracing philosophy: if I lose irating cos I’ve been bad I can take that. But if it’s because people have driven like morons I’m going to get salty 😂
This was a straight up premeditated serve up. It’s like those guys who are unnecessarily aggressive and pull the rUbBInG iS raciNg card.
That’s line is my personal peeve because it always gets quoted as a justification (usually) after the quotor has tried and failed to pull off a move that had no chance of success.
@@smithp573 that and iF yOu nO lOnGER gap foR a GaP
A bit of rubbing where the corner is 50/50, or at a push 60/40 in the best place for a move, but the dive bombers from 1 second back are extremely annoying, and unprotestable, as is the SR hit. I think my biggest gripe is getting a -4 on the ovals with a yellow flag after avoiding the accident that caused it 5 seconds previously.
@@AidanMillward especially the one that wasn't actually there.
I don’t agreed what #4 did he Deserves to get kick out. But I also think # 8 should have wait it for him after taking him out. He took him out and just keep racing like nothing happened. Usually if I take some one like that I wait because is not fair for the guy to get taking out while I keep racing my race like nothing happens. I see a lot is people just moving people out of the way just like that because they think there faster and they loosing to much time behind them.
I would personally not have waited if I was #8, but of course would have apologized inmediately over voice chat. I mean, you have an incident, bad luck. If you are to blame, fine, apologize then carry on.
What some people do is remembering the driver and leave him a PM after the race :)
That's why insurance companies charge more for people who drive red cars.
Totally agree Dave!! Racing things happen but when it is totally intentional is when it’s wrong
I have a mate a few weeks ago get taken out by a guy who wanted revenge. They had a slight first lap contact at Monza, racing incident. The guy was having a shit race, made a few mistakes, then span out of lesmo-2 broke his front wing. He then waiting for a good minute, letting other cars pass, had plenty of easy opportunities to turn around before booting it and driving straight into my mate, and took him out. Reported him, hope he got a ban.
Sadly I doubt iracing do anything about it. Depends on how deep his car/track library is
Repeat offenses will be handled. If we dont report, nothing will happen
Of course they don't want to loose paying customers. But this behaviour goes beyond that. I hear someone say "I'm gonna report you" almost every race I do in iRacing but it's always for some small mistake or even a race incident or netcode. Some people seems to think the report is like a race stewart.
Yeas kekke! The actual severe offenders are being handled when reported
wow that guy actually looks like he planned the whole thing out crazy
Iv been playing iracing for about 2 week and love it, but I had a similar thing happen to me in a mx5 race and the guy waited till I came round again and cleaned me out into the first corner. I also had a back marker take me out in a skippy race last night when I was in 3rd and he was 12th. 3rd would have been my best result in the skippy 🤬
Unreal, no room for that sort of behavior. I had a similar situation last week where a driver overtook me on the right side at straight at summit point. I kept my line into turn one but he crossed over and hit the brakes early causing a love tap....racing incident. I always do cool down laps and take it into the pit as you mentioned to do that in one of your videos about a year ago. This geezer hunted me down and took me out, hit me twice for a 8x. Reported and iRacing handled it, I'll send you the footage on twitter. Well done on not name shaming as well mate, class.
Yeah not cool having this kind of behavior around. Everyone makes mistakes once in a while, but this was clearly malicious.
Pretty shocking display. It was hard but fair racing up until a point, then the #4 just took it to a level not acceptable in fair competition. Let’s hope idiots like that get booted off, good on you for making a vid about it.
Hard but fair...(?). #8 took little regard for the race of #4. #8 rear-ended #4 twice. One time is a mistake. Twice is not caring how you treat another driver. I cannot excuse #8, rookie mazda or not.
Sure the obvious retaliation by #4 is wrong.
But, as well, the obvious ‘i don’t care if I wreck your race or not’, as exhibited by #8 is not acceptable either.
@@jffmyr hard but fair up until a point, as I said. There’s no doubt that #4 was the one in the wrong here.
#8 made mistakes, I doubt that they were deliberate, but what #4 did was much worse.
How was he able to continue racing after taking the short cut? I was doing a race at Daytona RC a while back and clipped the grass by turn 2-3 which sent me flying into the middle of the grass area. After slowing down enough I tried turning the car around to get back where I went off at and the sim DQed me before I could get back to the racing surface.
I always love the aggressive blockers are always the one who get pissed when they get punted 😂
Right, especially since I'm mainly a oval racer, when they keep throwing blocks I stick my nose in there right when they block again so then they just go accross my nose. Idk if it works the same in road racing, because there was one guy in rookie mazdas a couple days ago who kept divebombing and ramming me, I'd get the run in the corners and he'd block me down to the grass and then almost like stop almost completely instead of using the proper amount of braking to make the corner. Since it was Mazdas I mean I accidentally rammed him and gave him a 0x, but if that was stock cars even at a road course and I was the one doing that I'd of been punted off the track. Eventually he crashed out and rage quit, but I got stuck with P2 because he was holding me up the entire race.
Like most of us, I own many different race sim games. I play , and pay for iracing so I don't have to be bothered by this type of recklessness because of the accountability. I hope iracing proves themselves worthy on this one.
But it was kinda funny to watch this video ill admit
I've only been on iRacing about 6-7 weeks and nearly walked away from it yesterday in Skip and 488 GT3 races having exactly the same done to me at least 4 times in 1 day. It's a top game / sim and spoiled by these types. Pathetic.
Did you file reports though? You still can in case you saved the replays.
@@MajorWolf72 I did think about it but the file size of the replay is too big and I’d have to edit it into smaller chunks. I couldn’t be bothered with it and not sure how to do it if I’m honest.
@@johngoddard1973 It’s easily done opening the replay and then using the built in cutting tool. I had to do it for the first time recently, took me one trial and error and not more than 10 minutes to have 3 clips from different perspectives of the incident.
@@MajorWolf72 Gotcha. Thanks for that...👍
@@johngoddard1973 and there it is.
@iracing needs to have stricter rules for premeditated events like this. I’ve protested guys many times for this and I rarely see any action taken.
Dave, very well presented! And yes, we've all felt "that" level of anger but most of us have better control over our emotions and think twice before retaliating. When protests are filed, I think iRacing Stewards do a good job in taking emotion out of the equation and look at the bigger picture when it comes to all involved, including iRacing's bottom line. And they should. Thanks for providing an example for what is a clear-cut, extreme case in a professional manner! Cheers dude!
Also, I feel compelled now to invent a transporter so weenies in a situation like this can be sent off to a field to smack each other around. I'll let you guys know when I have it all worked out.
Right. Automatically dumped into a server hosting a destruction derby.
@@OgamiItto70 You may be a genius!
@@divejumpshooter6947 Unlikely.
(But technically possible, I suppose.)
Yeah like my friend who watches my races says I need to make a pit fighting mode for iracing lmao
That should not happen, but there are actually more drivers active, braking too late way too often. These people ruined more of my races than the revenge rampage guys. So yeah , what’s worse... ? Hard to tell...
100% with you it's the ones that brack late are the worst. Can't prove if they meant to do it. And when you say something they say, I had the race line you shouldn't be so slow.
Thank you for the update.
hi dave, videos are all amazing mate keep up the great work do you always use ABS and TCS mate?
The unspoken rule is if u didnt meant to, and u spin someone, u stop, and let them back by, or pay for it later.
agreed.
need a lot more of these guys to make these videos interesting
sorry this is off topic, what headset do you use?
Thanks for sharing Dave. The word disgraceful is the only word that comes to mind after watch the video. I hope iracing takes this event seriously and places an appropriate punishment.
Dave, when you are behind you must break slightly ahead unless you are trying to overtake... this is terrible behavior but you understand why he is pissed right?
Of course I do, I said he'd be boiling as I would be. But, you can't do what he did.
To try and excuse this is part of the problem. Dave is dead on the money. You do this shit, you get a long time out
@@davecamm no but if the 8 apologies you defuse the situation straight away I think more drivers need to do this and we’d have a lot less of these situation but still the 4 was bang out of order and does deserve a break
@@craighuddy5351 how do you know the 8 didn't apologize? I was in a race where I bumped a guy, and even though I apologized in voice immediately and sent a PM later he still called me every name in the book and said he would protest me. I made this mistake, took ownership, still didn't matter. At least my opponent didn't do this crap.
@@devilmaster73 sure it won’t solve all these situations but it will help, sure you will always get a few that won’t accept an apology but I still think it helps in most situations
U could make a series out of this Dave
Had basically the same thing happen to me but it was in practice session... I was newer to iRacing at the time and couldn’t figure out how to report with the replay clips lol
as far as i know, Iracing does not enforce the rules in practice sessions. I've met several folks in rookie ovals that will drive slow and try to wreck you every lap during practice, just to be a nuisance, then get in a race with them and they get 0x. They know the rules are unenforceable in practice sessions
@@Ben_Chillin they do, they add it to your file and people have been warned for doing stupid things on official test servers. Most people just don't report practice incidents
@@alanluth6755 Good to know!
Good vid Dave and something that needs highlighting. There is absolutely no question about #8 totally unacceptable driving behaviour and I don't condone it for a second. However, #4 could of judged things a little better in my opinion especially after nudging him once already. I'm surprised #8 got away with the detour!!
I hit some one at Silverstone my fault missed my breaking zone at the end of the race someone else hit this guy but the difference was at the end of the race i gave him my position i apologized for hitting him in messaging and he apologized for swearing at me he did say thanks at the end of the race for the position but that what's racing is heat of the mount but not loosing your head and holding your hands up when you make a mistake but idiots like the #4 car that's a different issue iracing is not for them they haven't got the intelligence plus skill or the frame of mind for iracing.
I had one worse than this when someone came across the grass in a race to take out the leader missed him and took me out i was the 8th person to report him sad but these people have sneaked on in good good faith only to ruin peoples races
Good Job keeping names away from the situation. Witch Hunting is far worse than the #4 cars behaviour.
6:10, bottom left hand corner. Gave me a little chuckle
That green car randomly going straight into the wall? Hahaha
If people intentionally ruin my race, I don't mind giving them a little bump and push them off track as well, but this guy is next level 🎉
Pretty sure Scott Speed (pro driver) got banned for something similar.
Yes his was pretty bad
Even had to change his name to Scott Slow.
@Gavin Walker yes he was but then iRacing removed his ban and let him race the Rally Championship...lmao
These type of drivers should drive GT, Forza og Project Cars..... get out of iRacing.
Dave, I think most of us have had experience of this sort of thing. The problem is, and we, as a club, have discussed this so much, that we never know if our protest has had any effect. If there was a sort of yellow card system, ie three yellows and you get a month ban, once you have made a protest if they got back to you and said " we have viewed your protest and a yellow card was issued" then it would be worth making a protest. As team manager of TCE Virtual motor sport most of our drivers do not make protests, or not as much as they should.
A long time ago, I reported someone while in rookie class stock cars for wrecking me. The response from iracing was similar to "its rookie class, improve and this will change." I was pissed off at the time. Now, I'm A class and can say truly, they were right. Banning the guy would have been the wrong move, and it wouldnt have helped me to improve. Iracing isnt just about the occasional guy who intentionally wrecks you, its about knowing that people inherently are terrible drivers and have bad attitudes, then making sure you never tap into that attitude. Once you do that, your license class rises, and you start racing people with similar mindsets. Then the real racing begins
Lol unacceptable but #8 isn’t the brightest crayon in the box lmfao
This has been going on since the start of the service. I just got tired of protesting these types of deals and as the racing progressively got worse, I quit dealing with it and quit. Until iracing decides to actively punish these behaviors it's not worth the trouble for me to get back into it.
That's a great example of poor sportsman's ship and I agree these type of people don't belong in ranked servers. Good video Dave
Had similar before on rookie oval. Salty people just sit on the inside track, wait for the lead pack to come round and just drive out into the middle of the road.
Car 8 could have avoided both the collisions that was his fault, but there was no excuse for the retailation that followed by car 4. IMO both drivers could have been far safer, this car is super slow so you always have time to react to a car jumping the curb in front, or approaching a braking zone. I say give them both a demotion/ban!
Yeah. I'm new to iRacing but im sick of being punted from behind like 8 did twice. No excuse for the course cutting rage.
5:15 im not going to defend the 4 car or his actions following the incedent, BUT i think the 8 car deserves some heat to! these are the types of little mistakes that have a far to big outcome, that really shouldnt happen! yet on iracing they happen far to often to the point that it makes a supossed ''sim'' appear as an arcade. i race for fun and this is the type of things that takes out all the fun of it. You want to be able to trust the other drivers around you so you can have close racing and battle for position. ofcourse on iracing you cant do that unless youre in a leauge with friends. when youre right behind someone going into a brakingzone, you have to start braking earlier than them. the 8 car is clearly just waiting for the 4 car to brake first even when he knows he wont be able to overtake him, in my opinion this shows a lack of respect from the 8 car, and it might even be on pourpose.
The 8 car breaking would be classed as a racing indecent and not on purpose everyone makes a mistake and he shouldn't get stick, What the 4 car does is inexcusable you can't just hit people off and get mad because of a mistake and if it wasn't fine he's right and report the 8 but this is why i gave up on Iracing even at a high level if you make a mistake people jump on it and think it's on purpose.
My opinion, for what it's worth...This is a product of the 'hotlapping' mentality created by modern racing games that even permeates up into the top echelons of irl racing. There is NOT only one 'fast' racing line where a field of cars is concerned. Racing is a high speed chess game where you put yourself in the best position to effect a pass on the car in front of you. I find that on the occasion that I start fast and beat the hotlappers to T1 they tend to be at a total loss to how they will get around me, apart from deliberately tapping you out of the way. Modern motor racing, 2 or 4 wheels, seems to be almost totally bereft of race craft. Sitting right under your opponents rear wing only guarantees 2 things. 1/ you will eventually hit him, and 2/ you won't get past him, as you are being forced to drive his lap plan. "Never ride in your opponent wheel tracks if you intend to get past him" is the best advice I was ever given when racing bikes back in the 80's. But, this requires solid concentration and many can't manage it. Both of these drivers were at fault and need a stern talking too. But, the deliberate takeout is unforgivable. This behavior would result in a punched nose in the back of the pit in the real world. Virtual racing MUST be treated in the mind as real, and that you could kill the other driver with your poor actions...or it's just a arcade game and not worth our time.
Same thing happened to me in Mazda’s a while back. I reported it but I have no idea if it ever went through. Someone takes a racing incident too personal and then they sit on the side of the track trying to take you out
No matter what happened to him you added to the file showing the type of driver they are.
I saw u r featured on iracing page that’s awesome
For the life of me I just don't understand why people get this angry during a sim race especially an MX5 race. If he's that mad about losing iRating then that's a problem. I stick by the opinion that iRating should be an unlisted number, you should not even be able to see your own iRating
This subject makes me extremely mad as I've seen so much more bad driving this season then I did last season and it's cost me at least 1000 IR.
I haven't been on iRacing before, so forgive my naivety for asking, but how does iRacing losses equal anything other than time loss?
@@Tony240zt When you finish in a position lower then where you started you lose Irating.
Don’t know when that guy joined but I’ve noticed a huge drop in racing competence since around March or April, in the lower classes. In ARCA races I was taken out by someone 40 laps down, drove straight through me because he had fresh tires and then someone 3 laps down dive bombed me. Both times I was running top 5.
The infamous „corona dent“ in everybody’s rating...
This sort of behavior has seemingly increased since the whole iracing pro series, where drivers would behave rather badly if someone wrecked them on accident, There were atleast 5 Disqualifications I can remember in the NASCAR series and Im sure there were more in others too. People think if the pros can do it then they can too.
At least your lucky enough to afford Iracing meanwhile I’m stuck in the rammer-infested Forza lobbys makes me want to die
project cars 2
You aren't missing much. iRacing is a mess.
I'll admit, I lost my cool in a MX-5 race once. I understand racing incidents occur, but there are some drivers who make their actions too apparent you can't help but react accordingly. I had a guy who was trailing me through the final turn at the Jefferson Circuit at Summit Point, he came out of the turn faster than me and I was defending my position successfully. As he was finally able to overtake on a straightaway, he thought he'd be slick by passing real close on my left and give me a bump, so I bumped back, sent him off track and he crashed into the wall after losing control on the grass. Did I feel bad? Not at all. He knew what he was doing and he reaped what he sowed. But the #4 car here is just a grade A asshat doing what he did.
Good video. And as an aside, well edited
I have felt high amounts of rage on several occasions but resisted the urge and on review in the replay i could see it was not deliberate. I have only had to report one person for excessive blocking - They were all over the track and every time i got alongside they would push me into the grass. about 10 times over several laps.
I agree about getting rid of guys like these, but I’ve had far more negative experiences listening to drivers verbally abuse other drivers.
That’s a policy violation also. Report them too.
Try assetto corsa people block in the middle of the road for no reason and theres nothing we can do
ah, ACC, I did one online 'race' (nurburgring, I kinda made it around the T1 hairpin before I finally gave up, I got passed the t1 online in Wreckfest with less damage.
iracing is much better, but the driving standards still leave a lot to be desired.
I totally agree with the idea that these guys shouldn't be in iRacing, but when we report this to iRacing Staff in most cases they say "we should be competing with higher irating". In most cases I see this kind of situation in top splits, and nothing seems to be done by the iRacing staff. They say "notified of the outcome" in all cases, but I follow these dirty drivers and see them running normally. So I don't know if it's worth wasting time trying to protest, it's frustrating ...
That looks like my last lap leading the race at Roval
Csi davecam. But seriously it's your typical forza driver he won't stick around for long expensive game when you struggle to get out of rookies
He's not a noob. He has a 2000+ iRating and B-class License. He's been doing close to 500 races since he started in 2016. This has nothing to do with "Forza driver" or "struggle to get out of rookies".
Except this kid is a four-year member.
@@kekke2000 500 races isn't alot in 4 years. Works out about 2 races a week. I'd say he's still a rookie
Everyone has bad days you dony know whats going on in there head, unexcusable move but i think its also important to leave room for forgiveness a temporary punishment sure but nothing too serious
Before I bought lfs I played and demo lobbies and it's full of terrible terrible racers, hackers, and overall bullies. So after getting stupid rammers saying hi all day it's easy to get upset. But sometimes just about the time you blow your top if you see the replay it was actually avoidable or at least I could have made it less devastating. Anyways point being sometimes it's not intentional. People get slammed, spun or whatever into you or it's your fault. So being forgiving and keeping a cool head has saved me from slamming a guy the 1 time it was an accident lol
Like Dave said he just needs a holiday vacation from iracing to think about his actions.
I've only watched a few of your races but yours are the only ones caught my attention enough to really sit quiet and watch and listen to the whole video,your content is great and your always so fair.respect in any situation is a two way street but unfortunately we don't always recieve in return what we give out but we should.awful racing from the car number 4! Love your content......🙂👍🏻
Thanks David, appreciate that 👍
@@davecamm no problem dave thanks for the reply 🙂 it's your honest casual professional approach that i think gives your content its winning formula.your just a likeable fella,God bless.
This happened to me in a skippy race and i had to pit for repairs. Forgot about it and just drove ended up finishing 6th.
I dont see the problem, the 4 just took his mandatory joker lap lol
Had me at doin' donuts...
I have a fun replay like that saved from a Skippy Race on Interlagos.
Driver made an error on lap one and took himself out on my back tire. On the last lap, he laid up for the straight before the Senna Esses to make sure he was in front me, pulled in front at the last moment and slammed the brakes.
It WAS going to be my first win.
First rule of "iForza" drivers - you punt me / you're better than me, than I destroy you. I am very fresh to iRacing community and I had also soo many chances to "take revange" on someone who unintentionally (or not) put me out of track, because of mistakes beeing made, but as you said Dave - this feeling dissappears, but only if you are committed to stay fair player. I personally think many people came here with mentality of "win at all cost". My first races i was happy to be in top 10 with possitive ratings 🙃 I guess - that's not enough for some.
Should be banned for a month but do the same again it should be a life ban, we all make mistakes and inadvertently take a car out and it happens the other way round, that’s racing but premeditated actions should be punished without fail.
Say what you like, but those were some quality doughnuts he was flexxing there
A long holiday should be a trip back to Bumper Cars.
The protest system in iRacing is great. They really want everyone to have a positive experience. I had a guy cost me what would have been my first ever win in retaliation for a mistake I made earlier in the race. He slowed down, let me catch him on my final lap and just took me out.
Losing that first win was painful but knowing he got a two week ban gave me some comfort. I think I won the next race after that too and moved from D to C not long after
I've been sent spinning from P1 to 45 seconds behind everyone else because someone punted me off at Turn 1. I just go into the pits, swap out tires and repair damage if possible and finish the race. It's online racing. And even in games/programs where there is skill based matching, there are still huge gaps in experience and skill.
Then there are guys who drive into YOU and then blame YOU for the incident. Crying and bitching about it the whole race even though replay clearly shows it was them that caused the contact. The difference is I'm not a 38 year old playing in my mom's basement so totally disillusioned that Ferrari will offer me a seat with Charles Leclerc for next year's F1 season if I get my ratings high enough. And I don't watch motorsports events where pu
Eople spend alternate race weekends taking each other out. *cough* Nascar *cough*
It's just a game. People make mistakes. Unless you're a streamer or esports user (I'm not going to say athlete, most of these guys look like they don't even know what a gym is) you're not losing or winning money from anything. Just relax and stop killing all the fun in sim racing.
The offender probably got wrecked a whole lot that day, and snapped.
It's not really an excuse, but people on iRacing get wrecked at no fault of their own way too often which is understandably frustrating.
I don't think first time offenders should be permanently banned.
I've felt like retaliating after getting wrecked before, but I didn't act on it.
I think the offender thought the other driver wrecked him on purpose.
I have been a subscriber to Iracing for about 2 months, in all the races I have done there has been someone who pushed me off the track. I thought Iracing was better than other sims, but it doesn't.
I had a similar experience at LImerock in the Mazda. I was overtaking a guy at a much faster speed and sideswiped him after he forced me off the inside of the little dogleg before the chicane. I was on the grass trying to make the right curve. Didn't work well. We both ended up spinning, and he decided to turn around and come backwards down the track to slam me as I was backing off the wall. And then he backed up to do it again. THEN, after we both quit to the pits, he turned around and came backwards down pitlane to slam me again, no knowing that we were shadows. He went through my car and got hung up on the wall.
Thankfully it was practice. And it was rookie class, he had even 2.50 Irating, so I figured he was new and didn't know any better yet. I just quit the practice session to let him cool down.
2.5 Irating? I meant safety rating.