What is greatly missing from this video is: consequences. How will this impact FFP? Are Villa over the line? Expecting potential penalties? Watching this video I kind of expected the answers to these questions
100% fair criticism. We'd love to deal more with FFP but from publicly available info, only one club of the the Prem & Championship openly disclose their FFP/PSR adjusted profits.
In terms of timeline, you're correct. We're referring to the £14.9m profit made in 2022 - where the £97.4m profit made in the Grealish sale is offset by £82.5m costs of transfers fees bought ("player registration amortisation") that includes Watkins. Source: find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10176070/filing-history FY22 accounts page 13
I think this is a rather poor article. I was hoping for some rather intelligent analysis and forecasting. Nothing here of value I’m afraid. Aston Villa had like all clubs has spent money. The wealthy V-Sports took over Villa in 2018-19 invested and won promotion. Bankrolled in a COVID-19 season, corrected the mistakes in appointing Gerrard with the appointment of Emery. With Emery at the helm Villa qualified for Europe, and is in the quarterfinals of a European competition, and is competing for a Champions League place. The migration a Championship squad to a Champions League squad within last 5 years is an astonishing feat. Other clubs are spending similar to just stay in the Premier League. You have made no mention of FFP or Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR), or Uefa Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR) and how that affects finances now and the future. I would expected you to include this with your forecasting in the coming years eg ‘secure funding’ proposals, UEFA ‘squad cost’ proposals etc etc. Aston Villa had wealthy owners. The multi-billionaires brought Villa for £30 million as a Championship team. Now they are 8 games away from being a Champions League team and imagine the financial appreciation of that investment should they qualify for the Champions League. Furthermore, the fact that you are writing about Aston Villa but cannot even pronounce Grealish properly further concerns me.
Certainly some valid points we'd have liked to have covered more if publicly available (we focus on the financial statements that, for what its worth, have been audited) Thank you for your extensive feedback and (at time of posting) the 9 other comments left on this video
Some very good points here. Far more depth and wider context needs to happen in these vids. Otherwise it feels relatively shallow in analytical terms which is compounded by inexplicably mispronouncing Grealish.
20m PA front of shirt sponsorship over the next 2 years Adidas kit deal Potential CL, or at worst EL revenue including TV, sponsorship bonuses, tickets and merch sales Continuing sales of academy players Continuing sales of playing squad Continuing improvement of playing squad Additional revenue from Woman's team, Concerts, Hospitality PL/Conference League prize money Overseas tour targeting the USA Market Assuming Villa finish the season strongly, and make a few canny sales in the transfer market the sustainability of the club is in no doubt
@@chrisphammond the fact that the financial appreciation when you buy a Championship club and convert it to a Champions League club is also not factored in.
@@willmunda403 yeah exactly they bought Villa for around £100m if I remember rightly? They sold JG for that. The other thing the video doesn’t mention is that 100% profit from academy players is (I believe) treated differently when calculating the allowable losses. The owners know what they are doing and as you say, if a new buyer came in for Villa they’d have to dig a lot deeper than £100m. And again conscious I don’t know it all and there have been debts paid off etc as well.
@@chrisphammond Villa has no debts, like Fulham and Chelsea. Aston Villa was bought in June 2016 by Chinese businessman Tony Xia bought the club for £76 million. Sawiris and Edens bought Aston Villa when the club was in the Championship in 2018 for an estimated £30 million though by the end of 2022 had invested more than £85 million in the club that has seen the club promoted back to the Premier League in 2019.
It would make a massive difference you get something like 30m for being in the group stage alone which with amortisation you could probably spend about 90-100m to cover the wages aswell. The main thing for us is the wages seeing as we moved back this year's end of year accounts to the end of June that leaves sometime to sell some players we've got plenty of bit part players we could sell before getting to big sales so that's going to be alright obviously there's the position money added onto that sadly Champions League would be in next years accounts (released 2026) but let's say worse comes to worse would I sell a big player or take a point deduction well it's a point deduction all day for me.
Villa don’t have to make profit. They are allowed to lose a small about every year without breaking FFP and the owners are not pressuring sale of big players for peanuts. The ambition to migrate a Championship Squad in 2019 to Champions League squad 2024 is certainly going to force massive investments. The appointment of Emery has been the master stroke, by improving the players he has bolstered the value of the squad and made Villa attractive for the best players to extend their contracts.
Interesting. Tactical point reductions. Is there something similar in F1 when you can change your tires more but you get a time penalty. Forgive me for the abstract metaphor but similar concept @@dennisgoatimer1079
We'll look to add them to the pipeline - but may only have 4-5 years of full financial statements (as the years before that they took the option for small company reduced reporting
Great video. Can you do an NUFC video please and hopefully explain why we couldn’t even afford to get Kalvin Phillips on loan (not that it’s a bad fate by the looks of things!).
@@NumbersBehindtheNet are you using AI for the voice over? Jack Grealish is pretty famous England international I'm wondering how you managed butchering the pronunciation - that's a genuine question not a dig.
@@NumbersBehindtheNet guessing you/your voice over man is not a footy fan then and the channel is more of way to garner attention and the channel background is more financial with a side of passing football interest? As it's inexplicable to mispronounce Grealish's name.
No not broke. You are allowed to lose some money whilst investing and the investment is paying off. Aston Villa has improving fortunes on and off the field. Champions League and top 4 finish will bolster commercial value and further investment.
Bailey wasn’t talking about leaving Villa. He was talking about the achievement of his fellow Phoenix Academy graduate Dujan ‘Whisper’ Richard in joining Chelsea at 18. If he wanted to leave he wouldn’t have just signed a new contract in Feb 2024.
What is greatly missing from this video is: consequences.
How will this impact FFP? Are Villa over the line? Expecting potential penalties?
Watching this video I kind of expected the answers to these questions
100% fair criticism.
We'd love to deal more with FFP but from publicly available info, only one club of the the Prem & Championship openly disclose their FFP/PSR adjusted profits.
@@NumbersBehindtheNet that's fair. You can likely understand my anxiety as a Villa fan over this! Respect
Watkins purchase never came from the Grealish sale so how much of your information is correct?
In terms of timeline, you're correct. We're referring to the £14.9m profit made in 2022 - where the £97.4m profit made in the Grealish sale is offset by £82.5m costs of transfers fees bought ("player registration amortisation") that includes Watkins.
Source: find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10176070/filing-history
FY22 accounts page 13
Great video. Not sure what's happening with your mic tho 😅
Cheers Jamie - we continue to work on better audio!
Thanks
No problem!
I think this is a rather poor article. I was hoping for some rather intelligent analysis and forecasting. Nothing here of value I’m afraid. Aston Villa had like all clubs has spent money. The wealthy V-Sports took over Villa in 2018-19 invested and won promotion. Bankrolled in a COVID-19 season, corrected the mistakes in appointing Gerrard with the appointment of Emery. With Emery at the helm Villa qualified for Europe, and is in the quarterfinals of a European competition, and is competing for a Champions League place. The migration a Championship squad to a Champions League squad within last 5 years is an astonishing feat. Other clubs are spending similar to just stay in the Premier League. You have made no mention of FFP or Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR), or Uefa Financial Sustainability Regulations (FSR) and how that affects finances now and the future. I would expected you to include this with your forecasting in the coming years eg ‘secure funding’ proposals, UEFA ‘squad cost’ proposals etc etc. Aston Villa had wealthy owners. The multi-billionaires brought Villa for £30 million as a Championship team. Now they are 8 games away from being a Champions League team and imagine the financial appreciation of that investment should they qualify for the Champions League. Furthermore, the fact that you are writing about Aston Villa but cannot even pronounce Grealish properly further concerns me.
Certainly some valid points we'd have liked to have covered more if publicly available
(we focus on the financial statements that, for what its worth, have been audited)
Thank you for your extensive feedback and (at time of posting) the 9 other comments left on this video
Some very good points here. Far more depth and wider context needs to happen in these vids. Otherwise it feels relatively shallow in analytical terms which is compounded by inexplicably mispronouncing Grealish.
20m PA front of shirt sponsorship over the next 2 years
Adidas kit deal
Potential CL, or at worst EL revenue including TV, sponsorship bonuses, tickets and merch sales
Continuing sales of academy players
Continuing sales of playing squad
Continuing improvement of playing squad
Additional revenue from Woman's team, Concerts, Hospitality
PL/Conference League prize money
Overseas tour targeting the USA Market
Assuming Villa finish the season strongly, and make a few canny sales in the transfer market the sustainability of the club is in no doubt
He missed most of your points, that is why I find this article disappointing.
@@willmunda403and this was off the top of my head - the widely known stuff, behind the scenes there will likely be even more revenue streams!
@@chrisphammond the fact that the financial appreciation when you buy a Championship club and convert it to a Champions League club is also not factored in.
@@willmunda403 yeah exactly they bought Villa for around £100m if I remember rightly? They sold JG for that. The other thing the video doesn’t mention is that 100% profit from academy players is (I believe) treated differently when calculating the allowable losses. The owners know what they are doing and as you say, if a new buyer came in for Villa they’d have to dig a lot deeper than £100m. And again conscious I don’t know it all and there have been debts paid off etc as well.
@@chrisphammond Villa has no debts, like Fulham and Chelsea.
Aston Villa was bought in June 2016 by Chinese businessman Tony Xia bought the club for £76 million. Sawiris and Edens bought Aston Villa when the club was in the Championship in 2018 for an estimated £30 million though by the end of 2022 had invested more than £85 million in the club that has seen the club promoted back to the Premier League in 2019.
So if villa do get Ucl / sell another big player don’t overspend it will make a significant difference?
All would certainly help profits Joseph!
It would make a massive difference you get something like 30m for being in the group stage alone which with amortisation you could probably spend about 90-100m to cover the wages aswell. The main thing for us is the wages seeing as we moved back this year's end of year accounts to the end of June that leaves sometime to sell some players we've got plenty of bit part players we could sell before getting to big sales so that's going to be alright obviously there's the position money added onto that sadly Champions League would be in next years accounts (released 2026) but let's say worse comes to worse would I sell a big player or take a point deduction well it's a point deduction all day for me.
Villa don’t have to make profit. They are allowed to lose a small about every year without breaking FFP and the owners are not pressuring sale of big players for peanuts. The ambition to migrate a Championship Squad in 2019 to Champions League squad 2024 is certainly going to force massive investments. The appointment of Emery has been the master stroke, by improving the players he has bolstered the value of the squad and made Villa attractive for the best players to extend their contracts.
Yeah im not doubting the ambition of Aston Villa. I'm commenting to stay within financial regulations @@willmunda403
Interesting. Tactical point reductions. Is there something similar in F1 when you can change your tires more but you get a time penalty. Forgive me for the abstract metaphor but similar concept @@dennisgoatimer1079
can you do one for Plymouth argyle?
I want to see if it as sustainable and well run as everyone says
We'll look to add them to the pipeline - but may only have 4-5 years of full financial statements (as the years before that they took the option for small company reduced reporting
Who is drat grelish?
Would love to say it'll be the last name butchered on the channel but you never know. We do our best :)
Great video. Can you do an NUFC video please and hopefully explain why we couldn’t even afford to get Kalvin Phillips on loan (not that it’s a bad fate by the looks of things!).
Thanks Swifty - NUFC definitely in the pipeline!
Champions League, sponsorships and sale of peripheral players and we're fine
all of those definitely bring in more cash Stephen!
Now they've lost their fans data..😅 Team isn't the only thing goin to Europe..The fans bank details are already on there way..😅
Greeelish not grelish
Would love to say it'll be the last name butchered on the channel but you never know. We do our best :)
@@NumbersBehindtheNet are you using AI for the voice over? Jack Grealish is pretty famous England international I'm wondering how you managed butchering the pronunciation - that's a genuine question not a dig.
Don't let 'perfect' be the enemy of 'good' - plus who would pay for that AI reading?! :)
@@NumbersBehindtheNet guessing you/your voice over man is not a footy fan then and the channel is more of way to garner attention and the channel background is more financial with a side of passing football interest? As it's inexplicable to mispronounce Grealish's name.
Owners from abroad never trust running your club anytime they will sale the club.
Grelish? Sounds like what you get on a burger 😂😂
Would love to say it'll be the last name butchered on the channel but you never know. We do our best :)
So…. Are we broke or not? 🤷♂️
No never been ‘broke’ top 10 richest owners in europe 🤦🏻♂️
No not broke. You are allowed to lose some money whilst investing and the investment is paying off. Aston Villa has improving fortunes on and off the field. Champions League and top 4 finish will bolster commercial value and further investment.
It’s pronounced Gree lish
If you can't get that simple task correct, what's to say the rest of the video isn't completer BS
Would love to say it'll be the last name butchered on the channel but you never know. We do our best :)
Sources all referenced within the video
Sell leon Bailey, Villa ain't a big 6 club in his eye's and he wants too go to Madrid or Chelsea. Dont say i didn't told you all. Lol
But they are not
Lower Premier League club like Chelsea? Why would Bailey want to go to that Mickey Mouse club?
Bailey wasn’t talking about leaving Villa. He was talking about the achievement of his fellow Phoenix Academy graduate Dujan ‘Whisper’ Richard in joining Chelsea at 18. If he wanted to leave he wouldn’t have just signed a new contract in Feb 2024.
Villa are bigger than chelsea
@@johnnybambury lol, are you serious 🤣