The funniest part to me is artificial materials tend to be worse for the environment than any leather product. Going 'green' has basically just become the next break through marketing like bottled tap water with an increase in microplastics that you can drink on the go. All the appearance of going green but actually going further away from it.
Yet, and these people keep falling for it. It’s all about money, and I bet it’s much cheaper to produce the new “Eco Friendly” cases than the leather ones. If Apple put their symbol on poo, people would pay a lot for it.
I barely got my FineWoven case out of the box before I hated it. The texture was so uncomfortable to me. Like a windbreaker or something. The way it feels on my fingers is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for sensory people. Or like touching microfiber. 🤢🥴 With that being said, I returned it and got a nice case from another company for half the price. 😂
This will be the first time I don’t have an Apple case or mag safe wallet on my new iPhone. I have found alternatives at half the price. I wonder if Apple will change there mind when the profits drop
I returned mine. It just scratches so easily and truthfully, it kind of feels like cheap plastic. I’ve always had a leather case from Apple and I’m really disappointed, but I wanted to give it a fair chance. I’m going third-party from now on.
@@PromotingTheBeat A case is there to protect the item it covers... What are you even talking about? Also, the FineWoven case scratches much easier than the iPhone itself.
@@PromotingTheBeat That’s the point. Apple chose materials for a “premium” phone case, that are not premium. They also still charge a premium price for them. So, of course they are expected to be more durable. They are simply worse than the cases they’re replacing. Obviously people are going to complain. It’s not rocket science.
These fine woven cases make me think of the alcantara keyboards the Surface had a while back. They’re just going to absorb finger oils and not in an interesting leather patina style, but in a “this looks gross” style
I thought of Surface 'cloth' look when I first saw the Fine Woven case. Yeah, I'll skip this one. Though I've never bought an Apple-branded case before, so.... Nothing to see here for me, actually......
The Surface alcantara keyboards have a rubber coating on them. Your hands never touch the bare alcantara. Apple should have put some kind of coating on these to not only protect them but make them water resistant too.
Apple knew they had a problem with this case, in my opinion. I read that they didn't even have them displayed at the iPhone event! You had to ask to see them. And there are photos going around showing that the Apple Store Staff have to actually switch the floor samples out for new ones since they get dirty and yucky so quick! YIKES!!! They may need to come down with the price on these cases. I see a LOT of vendors putting these on sale just to try and get them out the door!
@@PvtAnonymous In the end, you may well be correct! I mean, the cases LOOK very nice! But I do fear that they will turn out to be not very durable, and will not develop a patina similar to how the leather cases do. And don't forget these cases are leather case prices which means you will get less for your money! I think they should be at least $10 less than the price they are now.
Why would you market a fabric as replacement for leather? Artificial leather is a thing. For one, you can wipe down leather and artificial leather. You can’t give FineWoven a proper cleaning like you can with leather and artificial leather.
I've had mine for 6 days. I have done zero babying of it and toss it on rough, uneven surfaces with edges etc. It has show zero wear until today. Today I found a tiny black stain on the edge of the back surface (my case is taupe colored) but I was able to get 95% of it out with just water and a paper towel... the only weird thing is when I touched the wet paper towel to the fine woven case the case soaked up the water incredibly fast (darkening until it later dries) and spreading WAY beyond the area I touched... it looked like the case was a paper towel you put on a water spill in your kitchen! Anyway... so far the case has done better than I expected, and I like the look and feel... but I still feel it is inevitable to get a stain or mark that won't come out and won't look nearly as nice as a patina in leather. I still think this was a mistake for Apple but I do think its a bit more tough than people claim.
So, I got this case and so far I love it, at first I was worried about the scratching, but after having it in my pocket for a while any scratches I purposefully made are gone. It seems like itll wear to the point it looks really nice over time!
Im just angry they got rid of leather for totally non sensical reasons. Also if that was the true problem, there have been huge advancements in synthetic vegan leather, they could totally have replaced their leather accessories with their take on it.
@@DrPrepZillaYou‘re right, but there are very interesting alternatives by now, which Apple could’ve opted for. One example is the MacBook Pro sleeve by „von Holzhausen“, which is made from recycled plant fibres.
@@DrPrepZilla Why though? they still sell their silicone and clear cases. plastic is easily recyclable or made with recyclable. lust like leather is a byproduct of the food industry.
@@ExBenzi2 There's also Mirum, which is used in number of Bellroy products. BMW is said to be offering it as an upholstery option in their vehicles this year as well.
There is actually a product "apple-leather" made from apples(I think they use the fibres). It feels really nice and leathery-like. I cant get my head around why apple wouldn't use that...
I sent mine back. I've had Apple cases for years - loved the leather cases. Now, I'm using a 3rd party case this year. The woven case is not my cup of tea.
I mistakenly ordered a non MagSafe compatible case from Amazon, and I didn't want to wait for them to ship another one. So, I went to the apple store and got the FineWoven case. In my experience the Apple silicone case does not hold up more than a year and I won't spend $50 on it and I don't like clear cases. I must say I do like the feel of the back & edges and it does look nice. However, it should be priced at $40 and the silicone & clear cases should be no more than $30. But of course, we have to pay the Apple tax, so they can virtue signal about saving the planet.
I’m returning my fine woven case. I’m fine to ditch leather. It feels nice in the hand, but I worry about durability and stains. For what I’m paying it better last. This isn’t that product. I’ll be switching to a third party leather case. Sorry Mother Nature.
I just got the Andar Aspen in Technically Red on my 15 Pro Max and it not only looks awesome, I can tell the leather’s going to hold up great. The design is a great replacement for Apple’s leather cases.
I got the black FineWoven wallet for my 14 Pro and like it a lot! The texture is cool to me, but I shouldn’t have to be careful with a $59 so that it doesn’t get scratched.
Mine scratched literally as I took it out the box and it’s already dirty, I kid you not I’ve had it for less than a week and its already darkening on the edges. I love the wallet but I’m pretty mad I spent 65 dollars and it’s not holding up 1 week!!!
I have two things in mind on the subject. 1. The problem isn’t the material or even that leather is completely gone, I like the leather cases and even I’d be willing to switch to a newer and more sustainable material, but not for the same price. I don’t care how or why you decided to over engineer this new material or how durable it is, leather goods are expensive because of the manufacturing process and the quality. Call it what you want, most people will see their case and say it’s microfiber or cloth and prone to staining and discoloration. Drop the price a decent amount and then maybe people will not talk so loudly about the quality (or lack thereof) 2. People complaining about Apple trying to be the moral compass is an argument to be made, for sure. But at the end of the day; what you’re really mad about is that they got rid of leather and are overcharging you for a likely cheaper material to manufacture. There is NOTHING new about Apple telling its consumers what they want, should want, or even need. Apple has always done what IT thinks the consumers should want or need and ONLY that. Very rarely do they do things unless they absolutely have to (like adding USB-C). They definitely did not do that for you folks who wanted it so badly over the years. They did it because they had to. Plain and simple. Apple took away 3.5mm headphone jacks, took the charging bricks out of the boxes, gave us lightning (the Apple standard since the iPhone 5), and even now with the new USB-C phones, limit you to USB 2 speeds even for pro users unless you go out and buy a Thunderbolt cable or some 3rd party cable That’s capable of the ports potential. All of this is to say that as much as I am an Apple user and enjoy their products, people complaining about Apple doing whatever Apple wants to do is only now a problem because they did away with leather and are now charging the same for a less premium material.
I don’t really understand this anti-leather initiative. Ethical tanneries exist that could have supplied Apple with the leather for their products. The Mother Nature skit just seemed like a way to fill minutes in what would otherwise have been a rather lackluster keynote.
I really like mine as well. I’ve had all kinds of leather. I currently have a Cartier wallet, among others. The green fine woven has a premium look to it as well. I accidentally got sauce on it and I was able to quickly clean it without leaving any marks either.
The most important problem that i see is that the case will become dirty easily but it will not break aqs easy as people think because the material are of good quality. There is videos showing the strenght of this fabric.
I like the fine woven case and so far I've had 0 issues with damage or scratches. I bought the black case and so far it doesn't show fingerprints. I'll admit it doesn't feel premium like leather but it doesn't feel cheap either. I've had it in my pockets, on my dresser, and in the cup holder in my car and it's held up. There is refund policy of 2 weeks
@@ruski77...I'm satisfied with my purchase. Last year I bought the clear case and that thing was always dirty and showed visible scratches. Fine woven is upgrade from that so I'm good
I don’t know I love this case. I’d rather have the leather for sure, but I love the way the back feels and the sides feel great in hand too. Now talk to be in a month if it’s all marked up, but my leather cases were too so
As much as I love the move to being more sustainable, I’m bummed they’re discontinuing leather. I would love to see a comparison of your top leather cases. I’ve had leather cases for years and I’m not sure who to go with now.
I wanted to buy a Magsafe Wallet for my iPhone 13 mini and the blue FineWoven one was actually nice...as soon as I heard of the "problems" this material has (scratches are really bad aesthetically) I immediately went and bought a leather one...Apple has discontinued the product and you can't buy from them anymore but some retailers still has them..I was lucky to grab one of the few sequoia green leather wallets remaining. When in 3/4 years from now I will change my 13 mini for another iPhone I'm going with Bellroy, Blackbrooks or Bullstrap cases.
They would have simply used man made leather/ leatherette or even plant based leather like some fashion companies do, taking away leather accessories completely wasn’t a good move…
It is going to attract skin oil and dirt like a magnet. All fabric does this in a case. See the soft backing of iPad covers after 6 months being used as a stand.
Vegan Leather is an option a lot of car companies are replacing real leather with in their vehicles for all leather covered surface in the car interior. Why Apple did not think of that as a material for their what is called "premium" products!
I love real leather but I would’ve considered vegan leather if Apple did it. I just don’t understand why go with a non-premium FineWoven material.. I now bought the Mujjo full leather case and I love it 😍
Vegan leather is plastic. Even plant based is mostly plastic, so its carbon footprint probably isn’t small enough for apple to be able to meet its carbon neutral goals. For me, leather is a byproduct, most animals aren’t killed just for the skin. Until meat falls out of fashion we should use as much of the animal as we can. Veg tanned leather lasts a long time and can break down where a plastic case is going to sit in a landfill for who knows how long.
Went to pick up a case for my Iphone15pro, and even the apple team members was criticizing the Finewoven case. The cases on the wall were full of fingernail scratches. Bought a leather case from a third party instead.
Why’s it still $99? And the sides are plastic. I returned mine the same day it came in. I don’t like how it felt. Also wish I knew this was happening because the leather links were the only watch bands I used which is hard to find a dupe. The leather phone case is easy to find alternatives for.
As an animal lover, I am thrilled when any company phases out using animal body parts. Fine woven might suck, but that doesn’t mean that leather is the only other option.
I love the buttons so much, but I worry about longevity. I mean, for example, I inspect my hands each time I touch my phone because I am scared to stain my new case and wallet. I also attached an accessory with strong magnets and it left marks of the magnet ring. It does not bother me that much, because the wallet will always be attached to the phone. Time will tell if it lasts. My iPhone 12 had the leather case for 3 years !
I don't understand what some people have against using leather. I'm unaware of cows being reared in large numbers for leather alone. Leather is usually a by product.
I’m an unapologetic leather products person. Everything from my phone cases, footwear, bags, wallets, jackets, headwear, belts, luggage, keychains, etc. are 100% authentic leather (not vegan leather bs) simply because they last forever if regularly conditioned, rather the appearance of the item enhances with use. And ain’t no “finewoven”/Vegan leather/PU leather nonsense gonna change my mind
Chris, Solid video as always!! I have had a chance to get my hands on the new FineWoven case and was unimpressed. I’ve spent the past two years with the Apple Leather Case and Wallet and absolutely love them. They have been protective while giving the Premium look and feel. I’d love for you to make a comparison video that you mentioned in your video because I have 3 weeks to make up my mind on my next case before my new 15 Plus arrives. Cheers, John
I do like Apple bring out more environmental sound accessories, but with a price of £59, it was a sure way to get backlash for these cases. At that price along with the publicity you expect it to be better than the leather cases. A lower price could have tempered expectations and received a more positive response.
I suppose we now need clear vinyl covers for our FineWoven iPhone upholstery? 😏 I know it's a bit late, but I've just upraged to iPhone 13 Pro and learning about MagSafe accessories and such.
It doesn’t feel anywhere near as premium as the old leather cases but if it was half - 3/4 the price of leather I think I’d be satisfied. I have the green one. On the phone it does feel nice and soft, it slides in and out of my pocket nicely. I’m not sure how long it will hold up compared to my 12 pro max’s leather case that lasted almost 3 years. I am worried about staining. At some point I probably will switch to a third party leather case but I don’t think the fine woven is bad either.
Gosh even the Silicone to me is better than this one. After just week of use it stained too much. Also it’s actually hard to remove the case without worrying of maybe the iPhone cracks or the case gets damaged. I wish I went to Silicone but now I just bought a 15$ clear case and it’s way better feel to me.
Huge Apple leather case fan. I grabbed a Apple silicone case as a temporary solution for my 15 PM til I find a 3rd party that makes a good quality leather case
Presumably you buy a case to protect your iPhone, pays to keep that in mind, it will get beaten up and scratched, that way your iPhone doesn’t. That was reason I bought one
I love the feel of my new FineWoven case. Not sure how it will hold up aesthetically-but it feels good now - it’s new….I am also glad I have the leather wallet for my phone!
I like it too. I can’t understand the controversy. That said, I did get it in the apple store and the first one I got didn’t line up with the power button. I swapped it out and the new one works great. Feels solid, looks nice, and it feels solid in my hand.
Getting rid of leather is a good move but surely they could have made something better than Finewoven? I went to the Apple Store day of iPhone 15 launch and some of the finewoven cases were already scratched
I don’t know but I have the Blue WovenCase and so far I like the texture at the back when I’m holding the phone. Just feels good in my fingers but the only thing I don’t like is it’s a little dust magnet but can easily swipe off but still.
I tried the fine woven case and returned it the next week. The Apple Store employee didn’t even question me or provide push back, they knew right away that case was trash. I’m now waiting on the updated Andar leather case. I also tried Mujjo’s leather case, but the back edges are way too sharp to hold in my hand comfortably.
BRO, Apple doesn’t tell you what to do, they OFFER their products. They want THEIR operations, and products, to be carbon neutral. You are open to buy leather, plastic or whatever case, even in their store, or next door. People treat Apple way too seriously, says me, the biggest fanboy who visited 25 stores.
The Apple online Store description of this case actually says it’s gonna „show marks and signs of use over time“ and say „if you don’t prefer that - stick with the silicone case“ - so I wouldn’t say they consider this a „problem“ rather than a „feature“, you don’t have to like it, but it’s definitely 100% not a mistake from Apple how it’s designed.
I got the FineWoven case for the 15 Plus and I’ve been using it for over a week now and it’s good. It’s not leather but it’s what’s there so I figured what the hell try it out and see.
Spot on. Many automotive brands have succeeded with replacing leather with vegan options that are sustainable and environmentally friendly. This option as tech innovative as it sounds is the wrong one
Sure, if they had kept leather and offered FineWoven as an alternative, sales may have shown that still preferred leather, but it would have undercut Apple’s argument that leather was environmentally harmful, not to mention harmful to animals. I think they did the right thing getting rid of leather. They just didn’t go with the right alternative product. Yachts generally use luxury vegan leather. Apple could have done the same. Premium vegan leathers do exist. FineWoven doesn’t even try to be one. It’s a totally different product that seems to have missed the mark, and the market, for environmental and animal-friendly products.
What you said at 35 seconds is exactly apples problem in general. Don't worry about what the customer actually wants, but rather, do what you want to do and then force the customer into accepting it.
I can't say the scratches that happen soon after using leather is particularly appealing either, whether or not people try to convince me it's "part of the patina".
Add me to the list of leather case fans that hates this replacement lol. I’ve been buying 1-3 Apple leather cases every time I get a new iPhone, tried this one out and immediately didn’t like it. The look OR the feel. Returned the next day. Also, $59 is a crime for this thing. For real. If anyone is wondering which leather cases I ended up getting… I got one from nomad, and one from Andar. Both are really great. The only negative on the Andar cases they don’t have a button for the action button, it’s just a cut out, but the leather quality is fantastic. And I enjoy Nomad’s stuff in general all around.
Although I love the feel in my hand making my phone feel a bit cushiony and soft on the back; I showed my mother my new iPhone and her nails scratched it up so easily! I have three lines just from her using 3 fingers to feel the back.
Someone please educate me. Leather comes from cows that were slaughtered for other parts of their body, correct? Like there aren’t ‘leather cows’ that are just breeded for their leather. For as much methane as dairy farming produces, people use cows very efficiently. They should’ve invested in CRISPR or something that can address the root of the problem. Leather is very sustainable imo
I never used cases generally, last one I used was the leather one for the X and stopped because, i like to have a natural feel to the phone. Got the 15 pro now and got the blue case ( because the 15's felt a lot more likely to slip from my hand than the X did ) with the Titanium natural one. I like the case, it does make a mark when putting it on the MagSafe ( for example ) but you rub it and it goes away. I don't know how people are already scratching it up so fast, why are you putting it in places that could scratch up anything so quickly in the first place?
It’s not about what Apple thought customers prefer it but that they wanted to eliminate carbon. They pledged to be 100% carbon free by 2030 so getting rid of leather was the reason they didn’t care what customers wanted nor tried to imply that customer would prefer woven
I am really happy with my FineWoven case and the watchband. So sorry to hear about all the struggles everyone else is having. I actually didn’t like the leather that much. For all the complaints about durability of FineWoven, the leather was just as bad or worse, so none of those complaints really resonate with me. It’s funny, I never would’ve thought to look for a screw next to the porthole if you hadn’t said it, but I saw it on my own phone and realized that I just totally don’t even care.
Not to be dramatic, but this was one of the reasons I decided not to upgrade this year. I have the 14 Pro Max, and my wife has the 13 Pro Max, and we were going to go ahead and upgrade us both this year to be on the same upgrade cycle. I didn’t want to switch one of us to usb-C and one of us still on lightning, not that it would make a big difference, but for small things like CarPlay, etc. I’m not ready to give my leather case and wallet up, and don’t want to find a 3rd party one. I’ve always used Apple leather cases, and have used the MagSafe wallet exclusively since it came out. My wife’s 13PM is still working great and she’s not complaining anyways. It is funny the little things that make me hold off one more year. I did the same thing when the headphone jack was removed and waited until the following year. At some point I’ll just find a good third party and move on, but I’ll let someone else start that research first.
Not really a fan of the FW feel. But I dislike it less than the silicone case, which attracts more junk and also hangs inside my pockets. The FW is much better for pocket carry and the side buttons on the FW are premium, rather than just bump-outs like on the silicone. If it goes 12 months I'll be happy and probably ready for color change by then anyway.
which case are ya'll getting instead? I always rocked the leather one, ordered the finewoven one but returned it right away, currently on the clear case by apple...
there are sample of cases in apple shop to try, touch, even try to scratch it BEFORE you buy. why don't just buy another brand if the product not suit your taste ? huh ?
I just bought a leather case from a third party even though I would have preferred one from Apple since they used to be great in the past, not because of brand.
Nylon and Polyester material, albeit claimed to be post-consumer recycled material by 60%, are still petroleum-based products. Should offer both a leather and this option, IMO.
I don't dislike the look of FineWoven, but I do dislike the feel and how it wears. Leather has a smooth grippy finish, and good leather (which was always my experience with the Apple leather products) ages beautifully with a nice patina, taking to scratches and age very well. Basically as long as you treated your phone with the basic amount of care, your leather accessories would last the 2-5 year life of an avg iphone, all while looking great in the process. Meanwhile I've seen reviews of FineWoven where they lightly drag their keys on the case, and it leaves a scratch mark that will not go away. A bit more simulated wear and tear and the whole case was fraying in spots. Unacceptable for a $60 case.
Tbh I was not a big fan of the Apple leather cases. They always broke or tore just a couple months after I get them. I’m trying the fine woven but I think this will be my last Apple case cause it’s already not holding up.
On a side note I’ve been using genuine Apple leather cases since my iPhone 7Plus. I have a iPhone 15 Pro Max on order and I ordered an Apple silicon case that I’ve not used since my iPhone 5s.
My problem with Apple Wallet is there’s no way to remove the card without detaching the wallet from iPhone first, unlike some other third party wallets. At least make a small hole at the bottom to help remove the cards.
The look and feel is great. I just don’t like how slippery it is. I always feel like I have to be extra cautious just holding my phone when a case should mitigate that concern. If they made the edge of the case out of a more rubbery texture it would be better.
After many years with an older iPhone with the Apple leather case, I was so excited to pick up my new iPhone 15 Pro max. I immediately went to get a new apple case and was so disappointed to see they're not using leather. I did buy the fine woven case and I've been complaining about it to my wife for the past 2 days lol. I'll be getting a real leather case soon.
This case looks nice to me. I like the look of this finewoven fabric on a case. That being said I never used that kind of case. Fabrics are the most difficult to keep clean. I used Apple's leather cases and for the last 2 years I used their silicone cases. I like the satin feel of their silicone and the fact that it has alcantara like insides. Silicone is the easiest to keep clean and new-like for the long time. It's also cheaper than leather but that was never a factor for me when I was buying cases. I agree that Apple should leave the leather cases in their stores and add finewoven as a choice. People need a choice. It's not like Apple is the only one company making cases but again it's nice to be supplied the type of cases you prefer from the same company as your device comes from. I really do think their cases quality it great.
They are straight trash.whatever Apple was thinking with this product I’ll never know. Mine went right back to the Apple Store on day one. They said at the very least they are getting anywhere for 11-15 fine woven products returned everyday since last week. Hopefully that makes Apple realize how dumb this was and they bring back their leather cases. They had by far the best leather out there. Same with the leather link, loved it.
I have to say “the Aspen” by Andar is the closest I’ve found to matching Apple’s quality. My only grove is there’s just a cutout for the action button which is hard to get your finger in to access the button but still a great case
yup. I just got an iPhone 15 pro with the dark green fine woven case. I don't have much disputes about it. It feels nice to hold, its attractive and I like to color but something else occurred to me today that i haven't seen/heard mentioned yet. That is, fine woven is like a cloth material and in time it can get absolutely filthy. Imagine how susceptible it is to picking up germs. You're handling your phone out in the world all the time and unlike the other plastic or synthetic cases its much more difficult to clean. It's like wearing the same shirt for... however long you have your phone case (months - years?). The thought about it's future hygiene really grosses me out and am now kind of regretting buying it.
The funniest part to me is artificial materials tend to be worse for the environment than any leather product. Going 'green' has basically just become the next break through marketing like bottled tap water with an increase in microplastics that you can drink on the go. All the appearance of going green but actually going further away from it.
Yet, and these people keep falling for it. It’s all about money, and I bet it’s much cheaper to produce the new “Eco Friendly” cases than the leather ones. If Apple put their symbol on poo, people would pay a lot for it.
That’s not funny it’s sad and true. Wokeness usually does lead to poor alternatives
I barely got my FineWoven case out of the box before I hated it. The texture was so uncomfortable to me. Like a windbreaker or something. The way it feels on my fingers is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for sensory people. Or like touching microfiber. 🤢🥴
With that being said, I returned it and got a nice case from another company for half the price. 😂
I know exactly what you are talking about and I have the same feeling when I touch microfiber. I thought I was the only one! Lol
This will be the first time I don’t have an Apple case or mag safe wallet on my new iPhone. I have found alternatives at half the price. I wonder if Apple will change there mind when the profits drop
I cringed also when I touched it and felt uncomfortable for an hour
So you didn't try it out at the store
You are a FineWoman😂
I returned mine. It just scratches so easily and truthfully, it kind of feels like cheap plastic. I’ve always had a leather case from Apple and I’m really disappointed, but I wanted to give it a fair chance. I’m going third-party from now on.
Why are you putting your 1000+ phone in a place that it could scratch so easily to begin with 🤔
@@PromotingTheBeat A case is there to protect the item it covers... What are you even talking about? Also, the FineWoven case scratches much easier than the iPhone itself.
@@PromotingTheBeatI think you need to go back to English school, comprehension grade F, cockiness grade A*
@@imhaydenmelrose Right, and it does... but to expect a "fabric case" that is hard, to not scratch, but also protect is ridiculous.
@@PromotingTheBeat That’s the point. Apple chose materials for a “premium” phone case, that are not premium. They also still charge a premium price for them. So, of course they are expected to be more durable. They are simply worse than the cases they’re replacing. Obviously people are going to complain. It’s not rocket science.
It'll be fine if Apple willing to reduce the price. If it's sold not in the price of leather case, we all can still accept.
These fine woven cases make me think of the alcantara keyboards the Surface had a while back. They’re just going to absorb finger oils and not in an interesting leather patina style, but in a “this looks gross” style
I thought of Surface 'cloth' look when I first saw the Fine Woven case. Yeah, I'll skip this one. Though I've never bought an Apple-branded case before, so.... Nothing to see here for me, actually......
The Surface alcantara keyboards have a rubber coating on them. Your hands never touch the bare alcantara. Apple should have put some kind of coating on these to not only protect them but make them water resistant too.
@@undisputedn00bThe sides of the case are apparently made from coated FineWoven fabric…
Yeah I’ve seen finger oils turn fine woven blackish
Apple knew they had a problem with this case, in my opinion. I read that they didn't even have them displayed at the iPhone event! You had to ask to see them. And there are photos going around showing that the Apple Store Staff have to actually switch the floor samples out for new ones since they get dirty and yucky so quick! YIKES!!! They may need to come down with the price on these cases. I see a LOT of vendors putting these on sale just to try and get them out the door!
Yeah I’d buy one for cheap given the opportunity as I like the look and feel enough to give it a try not expecting it to last long
@@adamthurmond9092 I like the look as well, though I will miss the leather cases. 👍🏾🙌🏾
so they are starting to produce more waste, at least in the stores. Way to go, to save the environment.
@@PvtAnonymous In the end, you may well be correct! I mean, the cases LOOK very nice! But I do fear that they will turn out to be not very durable, and will not develop a patina similar to how the leather cases do. And don't forget these cases are leather case prices which means you will get less for your money! I think they should be at least $10 less than the price they are now.
@@Juraiprince ya you’ll get less animal cruelty and less of a carbon footprint. Awesome! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Why would you market a fabric as replacement for leather? Artificial leather is a thing. For one, you can wipe down leather and artificial leather. You can’t give FineWoven a proper cleaning like you can with leather and artificial leather.
artificial leather uses plastic that generates a lot of heat in manufacturing and is not degradable but i get your point
@@adityalindsonlots of environmentally friendly options for vegan leather.
I've had mine for 6 days. I have done zero babying of it and toss it on rough, uneven surfaces with edges etc. It has show zero wear until today. Today I found a tiny black stain on the edge of the back surface (my case is taupe colored) but I was able to get 95% of it out with just water and a paper towel... the only weird thing is when I touched the wet paper towel to the fine woven case the case soaked up the water incredibly fast (darkening until it later dries) and spreading WAY beyond the area I touched... it looked like the case was a paper towel you put on a water spill in your kitchen! Anyway... so far the case has done better than I expected, and I like the look and feel... but I still feel it is inevitable to get a stain or mark that won't come out and won't look nearly as nice as a patina in leather. I still think this was a mistake for Apple but I do think its a bit more tough than people claim.
I actually prefer the fine woven over my orange leather
It’s not about the customer, it’s about ESG scores for Apple.
Its total trash and the fabric is like a 70's thrift store fabric. $60 is robbery, I sent it back on day one it was so bad.
Had the fine-woven case in my hand today, it was terrible. Wasn't a silicone fan before, but that felt so much better so I may get that instead.
Silicon sucks. I haven’t had one issue with any of my fine woven cases
So, I got this case and so far I love it, at first I was worried about the scratching, but after having it in my pocket for a while any scratches I purposefully made are gone. It seems like itll wear to the point it looks really nice over time!
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Im just angry they got rid of leather for totally non sensical reasons. Also if that was the true problem, there have been huge advancements in synthetic vegan leather, they could totally have replaced their leather accessories with their take on it.
The problem with vegan leather is thats is basically just plastic. Which just adds to the problem.
@@DrPrepZillaYou‘re right, but there are very interesting alternatives by now, which Apple could’ve opted for.
One example is the MacBook Pro sleeve by „von Holzhausen“, which is made from recycled plant fibres.
@@DrPrepZilla Why though? they still sell their silicone and clear cases. plastic is easily recyclable or made with recyclable. lust like leather is a byproduct of the food industry.
@@ExBenzi2 There's also Mirum, which is used in number of Bellroy products. BMW is said to be offering it as an upholstery option in their vehicles this year as well.
There is actually a product "apple-leather" made from apples(I think they use the fibres). It feels really nice and leathery-like. I cant get my head around why apple wouldn't use that...
I sent mine back. I've had Apple cases for years - loved the leather cases. Now, I'm using a 3rd party case this year. The woven case is not my cup of tea.
Let’s protest Apple to bring back leather
I mistakenly ordered a non MagSafe compatible case from Amazon, and I didn't want to wait for them to ship another one. So, I went to the apple store and got the FineWoven case. In my experience the Apple silicone case does not hold up more than a year and I won't spend $50 on it and I don't like clear cases. I must say I do like the feel of the back & edges and it does look nice. However, it should be priced at $40 and the silicone & clear cases should be no more than $30. But of course, we have to pay the Apple tax, so they can virtue signal about saving the planet.
I’m returning my fine woven case. I’m fine to ditch leather. It feels nice in the hand, but I worry about durability and stains. For what I’m paying it better last. This isn’t that product. I’ll be switching to a third party leather case. Sorry Mother Nature.
If it scratches it’s not the case, it’s your eyes! 😂😂😂
Chris, thanks for starting this discussion. If you could please create a video comparing alternative leather cases, that would be awesome 👍
I just got the Andar Aspen in Technically Red on my 15 Pro Max and it not only looks awesome, I can tell the leather’s going to hold up great. The design is a great replacement for Apple’s leather cases.
@@adamthurmond9092except they forgot about the action button, there is a hole instead.
I got the black FineWoven wallet for my 14 Pro and like it a lot! The texture is cool to me, but I shouldn’t have to be careful with a $59 so that it doesn’t get scratched.
Mine scratched literally as I took it out the box and it’s already dirty, I kid you not I’ve had it for less than a week and its already darkening on the edges. I love the wallet but I’m pretty mad I spent 65 dollars and it’s not holding up 1 week!!!
@@dchr1s mine’s still holding up well!
I have two things in mind on the subject.
1. The problem isn’t the material or even that leather is completely gone, I like the leather cases and even I’d be willing to switch to a newer and more sustainable material, but not for the same price. I don’t care how or why you decided to over engineer this new material or how durable it is, leather goods are expensive because of the manufacturing process and the quality. Call it what you want, most people will see their case and say it’s microfiber or cloth and prone to staining and discoloration. Drop the price a decent amount and then maybe people will not talk so loudly about the quality (or lack thereof)
2. People complaining about Apple trying to be the moral compass is an argument to be made, for sure. But at the end of the day; what you’re really mad about is that they got rid of leather and are overcharging you for a likely cheaper material to manufacture. There is NOTHING new about Apple telling its consumers what they want, should want, or even need. Apple has always done what IT thinks the consumers should want or need and ONLY that. Very rarely do they do things unless they absolutely have to (like adding USB-C). They definitely did not do that for you folks who wanted it so badly over the years. They did it because they had to. Plain and simple.
Apple took away 3.5mm headphone jacks, took the charging bricks out of the boxes, gave us lightning (the Apple standard since the iPhone 5), and even now with the new USB-C phones, limit you to USB 2 speeds even for pro users unless you go out and buy a Thunderbolt cable or some 3rd party cable
That’s capable of the ports potential. All of this is to say that as much as I am an Apple user and enjoy their products, people complaining about Apple doing whatever Apple wants to do is only now a problem because they did away with leather and are now charging the same for a less premium material.
Hey! Definitely do a video on case makers that use leather. That would be interesting to see which is the best leather case out there for an iPhone 15
Second this. I’ve seen a few floating around but haven’t make the 60/70$ jump on hopes it feels good in the hand
I don’t really understand this anti-leather initiative. Ethical tanneries exist that could have supplied Apple with the leather for their products. The Mother Nature skit just seemed like a way to fill minutes in what would otherwise have been a rather lackluster keynote.
I still don’t know why apple went with fine woven instead of vegan leather, there’s soooo many options to choose from
I was wondering this too.
I really like mine as well. I’ve had all kinds of leather. I currently have a Cartier wallet, among others. The green fine woven has a premium look to it as well. I accidentally got sauce on it and I was able to quickly clean it without leaving any marks either.
The most important problem that i see is that the case will become dirty easily but it will not break aqs easy as people think because the material are of good quality. There is videos showing the strenght of this fabric.
A *CASE* HAS CONTROVERSY? The Apple community is doomed.
I was told to watch this video. Now that I did, I realize how bored people really are.
Huh
Good joke,
It’s not about the case, it’s about leather industry.
Thanks Morbo. Hahaha
I like the fine woven case and so far I've had 0 issues with damage or scratches. I bought the black case and so far it doesn't show fingerprints. I'll admit it doesn't feel premium like leather but it doesn't feel cheap either. I've had it in my pockets, on my dresser, and in the cup holder in my car and it's held up. There is refund policy of 2 weeks
the issue is you're spending $60 on a case that doesn't feel premium.
@@ruski77...I'm satisfied with my purchase. Last year I bought the clear case and that thing was always dirty and showed visible scratches. Fine woven is upgrade from that so I'm good
I don’t know I love this case. I’d rather have the leather for sure, but I love the way the back feels and the sides feel great in hand too. Now talk to be in a month if it’s all marked up, but my leather cases were too so
As much as I love the move to being more sustainable, I’m bummed they’re discontinuing leather. I would love to see a comparison of your top leather cases. I’ve had leather cases for years and I’m not sure who to go with now.
Incredible that people could think that replacing a natural renewable material with polyester makes something *more* sustainable lol
I wanted to buy a Magsafe Wallet for my iPhone 13 mini and the blue FineWoven one was actually nice...as soon as I heard of the "problems" this material has (scratches are really bad aesthetically) I immediately went and bought a leather one...Apple has discontinued the product and you can't buy from them anymore but some retailers still has them..I was lucky to grab one of the few sequoia green leather wallets remaining. When in 3/4 years from now I will change my 13 mini for another iPhone I'm going with Bellroy, Blackbrooks or Bullstrap cases.
They would have simply used man made leather/ leatherette or even plant based leather like some fashion companies do, taking away leather accessories completely wasn’t a good move…
2030 agenda…
It is going to attract skin oil and dirt like a magnet. All fabric does this in a case. See the soft backing of iPad covers after 6 months being used as a stand.
Vegan Leather is an option a lot of car companies are replacing real leather with in their vehicles for all leather covered surface in the car interior. Why Apple did not think of that as a material for their what is called "premium" products!
I love real leather but I would’ve considered vegan leather if Apple did it. I just don’t understand why go with a non-premium FineWoven material..
I now bought the Mujjo full leather case and I love it 😍
Can not agree more.
@@BenitoMilan
Vegan leather is plastic. Even plant based is mostly plastic, so its carbon footprint probably isn’t small enough for apple to be able to meet its carbon neutral goals.
For me, leather is a byproduct, most animals aren’t killed just for the skin. Until meat falls out of fashion we should use as much of the animal as we can. Veg tanned leather lasts a long time and can break down where a plastic case is going to sit in a landfill for who knows how long.
Went to pick up a case for my Iphone15pro, and even the apple team members was criticizing the Finewoven case. The cases on the wall were full of fingernail scratches. Bought a leather case from a third party instead.
I like the design and feeling of it, the only thing I hate about it is that it scratches easily
Why’s it still $99? And the sides are plastic. I returned mine the same day it came in. I don’t like how it felt.
Also wish I knew this was happening because the leather links were the only watch bands I used which is hard to find a dupe. The leather phone case is easy to find alternatives for.
I actually would have never considered a leather case until they removed them, now i‘m getting 3
I bought the Pacific Blue Fine Woven case and overall, I like the look and feel. However, I will be returning it due to the price not being right.
They definitely don’t look as expensive as they are. They look like cheap cases of Amazon imo.
The Finewoven case is what convinced me to update my MagSafe wallet to a premium leather wallet instead.
I think they look good but I haven't seen any in person. I'm thrilled with my iPhone 12 mini, its leather case and wallet. I'll be keeping them.
Good for you
As an animal lover, I am thrilled when any company phases out using animal body parts. Fine woven might suck, but that doesn’t mean that leather is the only other option.
I love the buttons so much, but I worry about longevity. I mean, for example, I inspect my hands each time I touch my phone because I am scared to stain my new case and wallet. I also attached an accessory with strong magnets and it left marks of the magnet ring. It does not bother me that much, because the wallet will always be attached to the phone. Time will tell if it lasts. My iPhone 12 had the leather case for 3 years !
3 years is a very short period for a leather product though.
I ordered one and returned it immediately before I even received the phone and before all the negative press started. It just felt cheap to me.
I don't understand what some people have against using leather. I'm unaware of cows being reared in large numbers for leather alone. Leather is usually a by product.
I’m an unapologetic leather products person. Everything from my phone cases, footwear, bags, wallets, jackets, headwear, belts, luggage, keychains, etc. are 100% authentic leather (not vegan leather bs) simply because they last forever if regularly conditioned, rather the appearance of the item enhances with use. And ain’t no “finewoven”/Vegan leather/PU leather nonsense gonna change my mind
Chris, Solid video as always!! I have had a chance to get my hands on the new FineWoven case and was unimpressed. I’ve spent the past two years with the Apple Leather Case and Wallet and absolutely love them. They have been protective while giving the Premium look and feel. I’d love for you to make a comparison video that you mentioned in your video because I have 3 weeks to make up my mind on my next case before my new 15 Plus arrives. Cheers, John
I do like Apple bring out more environmental sound accessories, but with a price of £59, it was a sure way to get backlash for these cases. At that price along with the publicity you expect it to be better than the leather cases. A lower price could have tempered expectations and received a more positive response.
I suppose we now need clear vinyl covers for our FineWoven iPhone upholstery? 😏
I know it's a bit late, but I've just upraged to iPhone 13 Pro and learning about MagSafe accessories and such.
It doesn’t feel anywhere near as premium as the old leather cases but if it was half - 3/4 the price of leather I think I’d be satisfied. I have the green one. On the phone it does feel nice and soft, it slides in and out of my pocket nicely. I’m not sure how long it will hold up compared to my 12 pro max’s leather case that lasted almost 3 years. I am worried about staining. At some point I probably will switch to a third party leather case but I don’t think the fine woven is bad either.
Gosh even the Silicone to me is better than this one. After just week of use it stained too much. Also it’s actually hard to remove the case without worrying of maybe the iPhone cracks or the case gets damaged. I wish I went to Silicone but now I just bought a 15$ clear case and it’s way better feel to me.
Please make a video comparing those Top 4 leather options you listed! 🙏
Huge Apple leather case fan. I grabbed a Apple silicone case as a temporary solution for my 15 PM til I find a 3rd party that makes a good quality leather case
Presumably you buy a case to protect your iPhone, pays to keep that in mind, it will get beaten up and scratched, that way your iPhone doesn’t. That was reason I bought one
In my country, Amazon reviews on FineWoven cases have a score of 2.3. That is abysmal compared to the 4.5 of leather case. Unacceptable quality.
Got my first Apple leather case last year and loved it. Guess DBrand’s gonna take my money this year
Leather has patina unlike cheap cloth
Please do the 3rd-party leather case comparison review ASAP! I'm returning my FineWoven case, I agree with all of your conclusions.
I love the feel of my new FineWoven case. Not sure how it will hold up aesthetically-but it feels good now - it’s new….I am also glad I have the leather wallet for my phone!
I like it too. I can’t understand the controversy. That said, I did get it in the apple store and the first one I got didn’t line up with the power button. I swapped it out and the new one works great. Feels solid, looks nice, and it feels solid in my hand.
Getting rid of leather is a good move but surely they could have made something better than Finewoven? I went to the Apple Store day of iPhone 15 launch and some of the finewoven cases were already scratched
I don’t know but I have the Blue WovenCase and so far I like the texture at the back when I’m holding the phone. Just feels good in my fingers but the only thing I don’t like is it’s a little dust magnet but can easily swipe off but still.
I tried the fine woven case and returned it the next week. The Apple Store employee didn’t even question me or provide push back, they knew right away that case was trash. I’m now waiting on the updated Andar leather case. I also tried Mujjo’s leather case, but the back edges are way too sharp to hold in my hand comfortably.
BRO, Apple doesn’t tell you what to do, they OFFER their products.
They want THEIR operations, and products, to be carbon neutral.
You are open to buy leather, plastic or whatever case, even in their store, or next door.
People treat Apple way too seriously, says me, the biggest fanboy who visited 25 stores.
The Apple online Store description of this case actually says it’s gonna „show marks and signs of use over time“ and say „if you don’t prefer that - stick with the silicone case“ - so I wouldn’t say they consider this a „problem“ rather than a „feature“, you don’t have to like it, but it’s definitely 100% not a mistake from Apple how it’s designed.
I got the FineWoven case for the 15 Plus and I’ve been using it for over a week now and it’s good. It’s not leather but it’s what’s there so I figured what the hell try it out and see.
Spot on. Many automotive brands have succeeded with replacing leather with vegan options that are sustainable and environmentally friendly. This option as tech innovative as it sounds is the wrong one
Sure, if they had kept leather and offered FineWoven as an alternative, sales may have shown that still preferred leather, but it would have undercut Apple’s argument that leather was environmentally harmful, not to mention harmful to animals. I think they did the right thing getting rid of leather. They just didn’t go with the right alternative product. Yachts generally use luxury vegan leather. Apple could have done the same. Premium vegan leathers do exist. FineWoven doesn’t even try to be one. It’s a totally different product that seems to have missed the mark, and the market, for environmental and animal-friendly products.
What you said at 35 seconds is exactly apples problem in general. Don't worry about what the customer actually wants, but rather, do what you want to do and then force the customer into accepting it.
Ordered one for the iPhone 15 Pro, took it out, then returned it. Felt and looked cheap. Not worth the crazy price that they charge here in Japan.
I bailed on the idea based on the plethora of negative reviews and comments, went with the silicone case instead. I'm happy with it.
I can't say the scratches that happen soon after using leather is particularly appealing either, whether or not people try to convince me it's "part of the patina".
Add me to the list of leather case fans that hates this replacement lol. I’ve been buying 1-3 Apple leather cases every time I get a new iPhone, tried this one out and immediately didn’t like it. The look OR the feel. Returned the next day. Also, $59 is a crime for this thing. For real.
If anyone is wondering which leather cases I ended up getting… I got one from nomad, and one from Andar. Both are really great. The only negative on the Andar cases they don’t have a button for the action button, it’s just a cut out, but the leather quality is fantastic. And I enjoy Nomad’s stuff in general all around.
Although I love the feel in my hand making my phone feel a bit cushiony and soft on the back; I showed my mother my new iPhone and her nails scratched it up so easily! I have three lines just from her using 3 fingers to feel the back.
Someone please educate me. Leather comes from cows that were slaughtered for other parts of their body, correct? Like there aren’t ‘leather cows’ that are just breeded for their leather. For as much methane as dairy farming produces, people use cows very efficiently. They should’ve invested in CRISPR or something that can address the root of the problem. Leather is very sustainable imo
I never used cases generally, last one I used was the leather one for the X and stopped because, i like to have a natural feel to the phone.
Got the 15 pro now and got the blue case ( because the 15's felt a lot more likely to slip from my hand than the X did ) with the Titanium natural one.
I like the case, it does make a mark when putting it on the MagSafe ( for example ) but you rub it and it goes away.
I don't know how people are already scratching it up so fast, why are you putting it in places that could scratch up anything so quickly in the first place?
It’s not about what Apple thought customers prefer it but that they wanted to eliminate carbon. They pledged to be 100% carbon free by 2030 so getting rid of leather was the reason they didn’t care what customers wanted nor tried to imply that customer would prefer woven
I’m very glad they are not using leather any more! That being said, asking the same price for an inferior product, is just rude.
I am really happy with my FineWoven case and the watchband. So sorry to hear about all the struggles everyone else is having. I actually didn’t like the leather that much. For all the complaints about durability of FineWoven, the leather was just as bad or worse, so none of those complaints really resonate with me. It’s funny, I never would’ve thought to look for a screw next to the porthole if you hadn’t said it, but I saw it on my own phone and realized that I just totally don’t even care.
OMG I just saw the advertisement for your own product within the review. I love that!
What's the point of Apple making a big deal of the titanium design if than sell cases for it (leather or not)?
Not to be dramatic, but this was one of the reasons I decided not to upgrade this year. I have the 14 Pro Max, and my wife has the 13 Pro Max, and we were going to go ahead and upgrade us both this year to be on the same upgrade cycle. I didn’t want to switch one of us to usb-C and one of us still on lightning, not that it would make a big difference, but for small things like CarPlay, etc. I’m not ready to give my leather case and wallet up, and don’t want to find a 3rd party one. I’ve always used Apple leather cases, and have used the MagSafe wallet exclusively since it came out. My wife’s 13PM is still working great and she’s not complaining anyways.
It is funny the little things that make me hold off one more year. I did the same thing when the headphone jack was removed and waited until the following year. At some point I’ll just find a good third party and move on, but I’ll let someone else start that research first.
The problem is the price point not the material. If they weren’t charging as much no one would be complaining
Not really a fan of the FW feel. But I dislike it less than the silicone case, which attracts more junk and also hangs inside my pockets. The FW is much better for pocket carry and the side buttons on the FW are premium, rather than just bump-outs like on the silicone. If it goes 12 months I'll be happy and probably ready for color change by then anyway.
which case are ya'll getting instead? I always rocked the leather one, ordered the finewoven one but returned it right away, currently on the clear case by apple...
there are sample of cases in apple shop to try, touch, even try to scratch it BEFORE you buy.
why don't just buy another brand if the product not suit your taste ? huh ?
I just bought a leather case from a third party even though I would have preferred one from Apple since they used to be great in the past, not because of brand.
Please bring back apple leather for the same price $60 was horrible fine woven
At least we got one objective video from Apple fanboy DailyTekk. 😄
Nylon and Polyester material, albeit claimed to be post-consumer recycled material by 60%, are still petroleum-based products. Should offer both a leather and this option, IMO.
I don't dislike the look of FineWoven, but I do dislike the feel and how it wears. Leather has a smooth grippy finish, and good leather (which was always my experience with the Apple leather products) ages beautifully with a nice patina, taking to scratches and age very well. Basically as long as you treated your phone with the basic amount of care, your leather accessories would last the 2-5 year life of an avg iphone, all while looking great in the process. Meanwhile I've seen reviews of FineWoven where they lightly drag their keys on the case, and it leaves a scratch mark that will not go away. A bit more simulated wear and tear and the whole case was fraying in spots. Unacceptable for a $60 case.
Tbh I was not a big fan of the Apple leather cases. They always broke or tore just a couple months after I get them. I’m trying the fine woven but I think this will be my last Apple case cause it’s already not holding up.
I just don’t get how not using leather is somehow better? Like instead just waste the material? Because thats somehow better?
On a side note I’ve been using genuine Apple leather cases since my iPhone 7Plus. I have a iPhone 15 Pro Max on order and I ordered an Apple silicon case that I’ve not used since my iPhone 5s.
My problem with Apple Wallet is there’s no way to remove the card without detaching the wallet from iPhone first, unlike some other third party wallets. At least make a small hole at the bottom to help remove the cards.
Thanks for sharing. I will be staying away from FineWoven. I enjoyed your conversation. Blessings on your day!
The look and feel is great. I just don’t like how slippery it is. I always feel like I have to be extra cautious just holding my phone when a case should mitigate that concern. If they made the edge of the case out of a more rubbery texture it would be better.
After many years with an older iPhone with the Apple leather case, I was so excited to pick up my new iPhone 15 Pro max. I immediately went to get a new apple case and was so disappointed to see they're not using leather. I did buy the fine woven case and I've been complaining about it to my wife for the past 2 days lol. I'll be getting a real leather case soon.
It scratches almost as easily as those iPods that used to have reflective backplates. They would scratch even in a case!
This case looks nice to me. I like the look of this finewoven fabric on a case. That being said I never used that kind of case. Fabrics are the most difficult to keep clean. I used Apple's leather cases and for the last 2 years I used their silicone cases. I like the satin feel of their silicone and the fact that it has alcantara like insides. Silicone is the easiest to keep clean and new-like for the long time. It's also cheaper than leather but that was never a factor for me when I was buying cases. I agree that Apple should leave the leather cases in their stores and add finewoven as a choice. People need a choice. It's not like Apple is the only one company making cases but again it's nice to be supplied the type of cases you prefer from the same company as your device comes from. I really do think their cases quality it great.
They are straight trash.whatever Apple was thinking with this product I’ll never know. Mine went right back to the Apple Store on day one. They said at the very least they are getting anywhere for 11-15 fine woven products returned everyday since last week. Hopefully that makes Apple realize how dumb this was and they bring back their leather cases. They had by far the best leather out there. Same with the leather link, loved it.
I have to say “the Aspen” by Andar is the closest I’ve found to matching Apple’s quality. My only grove is there’s just a cutout for the action button which is hard to get your finger in to access the button but still a great case
yup. I just got an iPhone 15 pro with the dark green fine woven case. I don't have much disputes about it. It feels nice to hold, its attractive and I like to color but something else occurred to me today that i haven't seen/heard mentioned yet. That is, fine woven is like a cloth material and in time it can get absolutely filthy. Imagine how susceptible it is to picking up germs. You're handling your phone out in the world all the time and unlike the other plastic or synthetic cases its much more difficult to clean. It's like wearing the same shirt for... however long you have your phone case (months - years?). The thought about it's future hygiene really grosses me out and am now kind of regretting buying it.
Apple states you can clean it with soapy water. But of course that takes more effort than wiping a normal case.
@@rp3210 ahh im looking forward to giving it a try then. We'll see if it changes its look after its cleaned with soapy water 🫧