I like how the Centaur actually stuck around for the entire match - more fun than some of the other Fairy Chess showcases you've done where the piece gets taken out so quickly that the game is mostly normal. How are the piece values determined for Fairy Chess pieces? I know they're in the same units as other pieces (3 for Knights and Bishops, 5 for Rooks, 9 for Queens, 1 for Pawns), but I don't know how the numbers actually came to be.
Thank I tried to make them last. :) Piece values are historically "estimated" by very good players. Also some players thought they were partially incorrect. For example Bobby Fisher estimated Bishop to be around 3.25. It is a bit complicated for fairy pieces. I think these figures are "more correct" for standard pieces since they are studied more. Maybe computers can help us figure them out if we do bunch of simulations.
Such value is also a base value, where you typically trade them for. How developed pieces are and what's left on the board may change their value. Like a bishop pair or certain pawn structures. Could be fun taking this guessed value and put it to the test. The results are a bit unreliable if the number of pieces is far apart, but you could mix stuff. A queen and 3 rooks (24 value) should equal 4 centaurs. This could be matched with same or different numbers of 3 light pieces. The rooks have the disadvantage of getting better in endgame, but the centaurs have the problem of few options for good trades. A queen and two rooks (19) is better than 3 centaurs (18), but if the centaur's valuation is slightly off this might still be equal.
@@NeuralChess I understand why because a Bishop Pair is OP while Well Placed Knights on an Outpost/Defending Each Other is Annoying to deal with but much easier to get rid of. On the Question of piece values, there’s too many to mention so but my favorites are: Amazon (Queen-Knight) 12, Chancellor (Rook-Knight) 7, Archbishop (Bishop-Knight) 7, General/Centaur (King-Knight) 5, Camel (Knight that Jumps 3-1) 3, Unicorn/Wildebeest (Camel-Knight) 5. Source: Chesscom
Nice video! The Centaur is definitely a very interesting piece, maybe in the next video you should compare the centaur to the archbishop and chancellor
How about: Chancellor (9) and 6 centaurs (36) vs Three chancellors (27) two knights (6) and two archbishops (12 or 14?) Everything moves like a knight!
Hey! Your channel has really got me interested in fairy chess pieces, do you have a discord where people can discuss fairy chess? I have some questions like “can you mate a royal cenutaur with a rook?” and I want to know some other things about fairy chess. Also is there a wiki for this?
Hey there! I don't, but a discord sounds very interesting for knowledge sharing. I don't know any wiki or similar website besides the very obvious en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_chess_piece and chess.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page . I was actually thinking of creating something like you suggested but was waiting to hit 10k subscribers. I guess the time has come even though I'm a few k short :)
Could be. This is a figure they estimated when they didn't have computers. Standard chess' values are also like that, but of course they have been studied for a longer time.
@@NeuralChess Really interesting. And I think covering pieces like the Camel, Zebra, Cannon, and other well known fairy pieces will make for a good video topic.
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I like how the Centaur actually stuck around for the entire match - more fun than some of the other Fairy Chess showcases you've done where the piece gets taken out so quickly that the game is mostly normal. How are the piece values determined for Fairy Chess pieces? I know they're in the same units as other pieces (3 for Knights and Bishops, 5 for Rooks, 9 for Queens, 1 for Pawns), but I don't know how the numbers actually came to be.
Thank I tried to make them last. :)
Piece values are historically "estimated" by very good players. Also some players thought they were partially incorrect. For example Bobby Fisher estimated Bishop to be around 3.25. It is a bit complicated for fairy pieces. I think these figures are "more correct" for standard pieces since they are studied more. Maybe computers can help us figure them out if we do bunch of simulations.
Such value is also a base value, where you typically trade them for. How developed pieces are and what's left on the board may change their value. Like a bishop pair or certain pawn structures.
Could be fun taking this guessed value and put it to the test. The results are a bit unreliable if the number of pieces is far apart, but you could mix stuff.
A queen and 3 rooks (24 value) should equal 4 centaurs. This could be matched with same or different numbers of 3 light pieces. The rooks have the disadvantage of getting better in endgame, but the centaurs have the problem of few options for good trades.
A queen and two rooks (19) is better than 3 centaurs (18), but if the centaur's valuation is slightly off this might still be equal.
@@NeuralChess I understand why because a Bishop Pair is OP while Well Placed Knights on an Outpost/Defending Each Other is Annoying to deal with but much easier to get rid of. On the Question of piece values, there’s too many to mention so but my favorites are: Amazon (Queen-Knight) 12, Chancellor (Rook-Knight) 7, Archbishop (Bishop-Knight) 7, General/Centaur (King-Knight) 5, Camel (Knight that Jumps 3-1) 3, Unicorn/Wildebeest (Camel-Knight) 5. Source: Chesscom
Seems like the centaurs can repeat checks forever if it wants.
Nice video! The Centaur is definitely a very interesting piece, maybe in the next video you should compare the centaur to the archbishop and chancellor
Great suggestion!
How about:
Chancellor (9) and 6 centaurs (36) vs
Three chancellors (27) two knights (6) and two archbishops (12 or 14?)
Everything moves like a knight!
@@teambellavsteamalice 6 centaurs are around 39-42 points (1 centaur = 6.5-7 points)
I'm having enough trouble mating regular kings thank you very much.
Probably the most balanced one so far
Interesting piece :D
I think so too!
The centaur seems like a limited Amazonrider.
Fun fact: this piece is also known as the Crowned Knight.
Hey! Your channel has really got me interested in fairy chess pieces, do you have a discord where people can discuss fairy chess? I have some questions like “can you mate a royal cenutaur with a rook?” and I want to know some other things about fairy chess.
Also is there a wiki for this?
Hey there! I don't, but a discord sounds very interesting for knowledge sharing. I don't know any wiki or similar website besides the very obvious en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_chess_piece and chess.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page . I was actually thinking of creating something like you suggested but was waiting to hit 10k subscribers. I guess the time has come even though I'm a few k short :)
What is the program you use that can make pieces other the the king royal
4:38 why did it not take the pawn on c2?
This is pretty interesting, thanks for the video ❤️
The possibilities of chess are infinite
Thank you for the comment. It certainly is. Glad you enjoyed it!
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Can a centaur checkmate a lone king (with your own king's help)
Yes
With king's help, yes
I think centaur's value is around 6.5-7
Could be. This is a figure they estimated when they didn't have computers. Standard chess' values are also like that, but of course they have been studied for a longer time.
@@NeuralChess Really interesting. And I think covering pieces like the Camel, Zebra, Cannon, and other well known fairy pieces will make for a good video topic.
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Add high end stockfish engine to these formats and create a video.
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By "high end" do you mean higher level?
@@NeuralChess yes a high leveled stockfish engine or something close
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