I’m 27 now, spent close to half my life with this game, played it religiously. Its setting and story is my number one favorite fictional world ever, to me it is star wars as it should be. I still love this thing very much and worry for its future.
Me too! I've played it since I was 13 and still recall when rise of the Hutt cartel came out. I play it these days literally just hoping the next update will be better and it rarely is 😭
I mean, it's had a very long run, and given EA's exclusivity deal on Star Wars is coming to an end, it's hard to imagine the game has many years left before officially being forced to shut down and make room for another Star Wars MMO, just like Galaxies before it.
I said it along time ago. We went from we being the story to becoming a footnote in our own star wars story. And i agree. We have defeated insanely powerful people as our characters. Now we struggle to nobody’s because of plot armor.
I think once this shitty storyline is finally wrapped up that'll be the end of it. They clearly can't maintain the same level of quality as the original content, and they have the writing and creativity abilities of a rock.
@@osrishunter You can enjoy and love a thing, while at the same time being able to criticise it. You don’t ever just love a thing or just hate a thing. As someone with autism I’m unable to process or even fathom for that matter how some people do not understand that. Food for thought maybe.
Whats sad is this game has made millions and I believe still makes good money but they used it for other projects instead of putting it back into the game.
EA is the one who killed it, not Broadsword. Blame the Publisher, if the game were handed over to Broadsword full time, we'd probably see a Cash influx from Disney.
this game has been a huge part of my life since i was 11 years old and seeing what they've done to it over the years sickens me. if only they loved it as much as we do.
This is a game that used to have it's physical 60 day game time cards constantly sold out at every game store back in the day. Now look at the state it's in. Nobody wants to touch it even with a barge pole. Good going, EA and Bioware... Good going.
I remember back in 2020 when Bioware took heavy issue with my own personal rant about the cartel market's predatory pull, and how I was asked to remove the content yet I refused. I remember my excuse was: "I'm not one of your 'yes' women you have in your Creator group. I can say what I want when I want. You want something else said, then make better choices with your game." It appears that they're still up to their old antics, and much like Lucasfilm itself blaming the fans for the slop that they themselves are producing, they can't take the heat when the pushback gets intensified. But of course they just can't make a game like how gamers want it, they have to make sure they cater to the people who don't even play the game just so they can feel "accomplished" in some way.
We need more story chains like the class stories, I love doing them. The new content is just breadcrumb patches that just string us along till the next patch. I just got back into doing ops again having taken a long break. I been having a lot of fun but there is a lot of things wrong with the game.
My personal opinions based on facts. 1) I used to love this game, the different outfits are cool and the stronghold decorations appear very vivid, almost like an alternant reality. 2) Bioware or whichever company is now operating SWTOR needs to stop making it a P2P (Pay to Play) F2P players get stuck with a 1,000,000 credit count max. This company uses annoyance to entice players to spend money on monthly subscriptions, which unfortunately many players do. 3) The lack of communication is an issue as well as hyping up pointless updates such as "The Date Night." Which I know many players liked the idea of romancing their favorite companions, but that should be lowest on the priority spectrum for an M.M.O.R.P.G game. 4) Cartel Coins is this games biggest currency, which is funny because we have to spend a currency to get a digital currency. 5) Money rules the world in SWTOR, this is the truth, whether anyone has been playing since the start or just started playing, the more money one spends on subscriptions the more they earn in turn, but what about the players that dont spend money. This is a star wars game. NOT a business game. 6) The community managers lack of respect for the players is pathetic, it's us, the players, that are paying to keep a game that's on a trip to nothingness, just to be bullied as a response, this community manager that you mentioned really has a lot of player outraged. Imagine paying a serviced based company just to be insulted as a result. THIS need to STOP SWTOR! Disclaimer: This is my honest opinion. I have a lot more issues with SWTOR. #StandWithStarWarsCentral!!!!!
"This is a star wars game. NOT a business game." No, this is a business game, MMOs are supposed to make continued profit, if they don't they close down, so they need to give people reason to pay. To give non-paying players full access to every major feature is to doom the game
@@mawrak Firstly, hello! Secondly, it's my opinion and besides, it's understandable that they need money. But read my last point. Would you pay for a crappy subscription for 3 channels, and channels are randomly deleted and pointless stuff like a new background is added? I have worked as head administrator of a video game. So, I do understand the need for money, but in my opinion, with the way players have been treated by biowares community managers. It begs the question, why pay for trash?
@@mawrak and, out of respect, I enjoyed your Knights of the eternal throne series! It is what originally convinced me to play SWTOR in the first place. For this, I thank you :).
@@Dread_Master_Cyberblade oh, hey! I didn't expect to see my viewers here. Glad you enjoyed the series. Sorry if I came out a bit rude, I didn't really meant it that way. I just think that the current F2P limitations are mostly reasonable, as I have seen much worse behaviour and "Pay to Win" strategy in other online games and MMOs. Yes some of them are annoying, but if you think about it, the players who don't pay are basically using the game's server power for free, which is a net negative for the developers, so it seems like giving access to more features makes sense here. And yes I understand that F2P players are still important and contribute to the overall population health, but I still don't think its wise to relax the current restrictions, they are restrictive by design and keep the game profitable. I do actually agree with many of your other points, but not this one.
I was one of the first players to ever grace the servers of SWTOR, all the way from Early Access. Played till around 2017-2018 and I have a lot of amazing memories from all the content that we had at our disposal. I recently logged in to find everything changed. 1 server barely holding on to dear life, class system changed, PVP dead, shit and unfinished story, gameplay full of bugs. I just wish it was 2011 again so I can jump in Vanilla SWTOR and get going from there again
I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention this, probably because it's too obvious but, NONE of the recent expansions are even separate expansions. It's still ALL just Legacy of The Sith.
When I tried asking them if they forgot to put some lore interaction trigger as a some who purchased a subscription from them, I found the broken chains object on Ruhnuk. I looked into Jedipedia and it was the exact same object, but it wasn't interactable. I tried asking if it was a bug or not then redirected me to bug report then I did the same thing of asking them if it's a bug or not then suddenly I got this cryptic message of saying like "sorry, but what you're asking is may contain spoilers." I don't feel like they answered my question, and this is before 7.5 keep in mind. After 7.5 I went back to the same object and still wasn't fixed or anything was done for the matter. I even addressed the clan Ha'rangir lore we were supposed get during the side storyline with Lane but still didn't get it
I have been a fairly consistent subscriber to this game since the beginning. I have my Founder title and my Yellow-Black Crystal. I want to see something great in the future.
(Sorry #SWCentral for the long reply but I hope you can see where I am getting at) It’s not just that. The devs and staff team in general don’t listen like at all. I’ll be completely honest too. I love Swtor but I feel like the only way the devs will learn is if players leave for awhile until they change. On top of that I hate and I mean hate that we have to deal with malgus again!!!. both Malgus and Shae need to go. I mean literally malgus has become just as annoying as the Tenebrae the immortal Sith emperor. Than we also gotta deal with the new Dark council and the new empress or emperor thinking they are the equal of The wrath and Darth Nox. Nox literally was leading the council along with Darth Marr and their powers alone were second only to the emperor. But the devs won’t make Nox Emperor or Empress. People say if our character becomes emperor or empress then there won’t be anything to do. But the devs can make it so we are not and idle Emperor like Tenebrae. We can be an Emperor that takes the field and fights with his people. I wanna see new things like different powers red Sith lightning new armor more heavily based on Sith and Jedi and NOT DAMN IRL CULTURE. I mean hell if you are unable to do anything with powers and armor than let the modders do something. Modders nowadays have done so much for games when devs of said games refuse to do anything. They can always put rules in place for modders like no making op powers or copyrighted armor etc. But I know for a fact that if modders were given the chance we would have unique armor designs for Sith and Jedi.
1:04 before the main section of the video start, I just wanted to point out two massive plots holes in the story. First during kotfe valkorian strengthens your connection to the force and satele Shan emphasises that you are the most powerful force use. I know the non force using classes present a problem here, but why in the rest of the story do you not get to exercise this power? The second plot hole comes with the hole emperor of zakuul thing. Whether or not you choose to become the emperor, you still take the throne, yet your never truly the leader of zakuul in a story sense after the nathima conspiracy, (which also make zero sense!). My final gripe with the story is that you as alliance commander would never do what was done with the character in the latest expansions. You wouldn’t be going on these secret operations on ossis, ordmantel, and hatta. You would play more of a diplomatic and military role rather than a secret operative. I think Astor from kotfe onwards has suffered from an incoherent unconecceted and unrealistic story with doesn’t make sense a one continuous story. (Any typos are because I can’t spell.)
Very true. Those missions are for like Theron, or other operatives, agents and spies to do. We are one of the most powerful leader of one of the most powerful faction in the galaxy, not some upstart. Even if someone didn't became the Emperor of Zakuul.
I feel like after echoes of oblivion the devs just stopped caring about the story it’s sad to see bc I loved that story and got me hooked into the game again
Great video! Organized and edited well. I haven’t payed attention since the last “expansion” and crazy to hear that it’s gotten worse. Even crazier to hear Jackie is still around
I would say this: The story is fine to good, it depends but i would be better if it was delivered in half the time . We need to conclude the Mando story . The need to remove most, if not all, the annoying thing for preferred and f2p players . They need to invest more or conclude the all deal, it's useless to remain in this comatose state. In general we need more of everything .
Kinda wild that Shae chooses Malgus because she claims he's a strong leader when she already has the strongest leader in the galaxy, the Alliance Commander, as her ally. Seriously, our PCs have kicked Malgus' butt numerous times now and also defeated Valkorian, Vitiate (JK), Tenebrae and brought people from numerous backgrounds together to defeat the brat pack of the Eternal Throne, but shae's all like, nah, the 60+-year-old Sith that's been frankesteined back together by the Empire is who I need.
years ago, swtor was my favorite mmorpg to run raids on. i had a heals commando and as long as the tank was competent and the dps-es were semi-rational we could make it through almost any raid without wiping. skip ahead to the next patch, and my extended toolbar is virtually empty, all of the channeling times were different and some of my go-to abilities were gone altogether. from that point on, i quit raiding because i couldn't relearn the game.
About a year ago now the game director said “We have already planned content out for 7.4 and beyond” So they know the updates, they just won’t share them and force us to wait months if not a whole year until an update.
Empire's Wrath, alliance commander, SITH Lord, Dark counsel member, slayer of the Emperor and I got some slave not giving me information till I help them get free where's the kill 1 and shock the other dark sith choice.
That was definitely a bad sign and despite how much I ended up enjoying the Zakuul stuff, it took our eight characters and began to blend them into one character blob.
@@randomcenturion7264 Definitely the sign of cutting cost and creative stagnation. When swtor released, it promised a world that every players were part of which 8 stories for 8 different classes encompass the whole swtor, it showed in the way they did the FPs and OP at the beginning.
7:40 Man you, this part was the act same I was thinking You're telling me you rikan can give me a better fight than MALGUS!, this guys plot armor ks on masger cheif lvls, the rest of the video is also amazing, I agree with everything you said here.
SWTOR is tasting Oblivion, like Darth Vitiate said "The Circle Closes, The End Begins." SWTOR is beginning to taste oblivion, they don't care about the game and it's becoming obvious. I absolutely agree with you!
I've never held the belief that just because of Dragon Age or Mass Effect, that swtor had to suffer. It never made any sense unless we are admitting that the two companies are just terrible at team and time management. I think swtor's issues are two big things: The devs either don't care or have stopped caring, and the community itself is split like the star wars community as a whole. The I think the community issue is probably the biggest issue because it feeds into the devs not caring about the state of the game and how we end with an "expansion" that contained more UI changes than actual content. Seeing so many people say the game is "in a good place" or "more active" than ever is a lie, and one that I don't understand how anyone could actually believe. It doesn't help either that the community's biggest streamer and content creators act like they are in high school and attempt to blacklist anyone that doesn't agree with them, which creates more division in the community and the game itself. Surprisingly enough, though I have seen that the pvp community for swtor has somehow come together more than any other group, they seem happy for lack of a better word. Could be that they have accepted their side being ignored which means no more potential to ruin. As for the devs, the change to Broadsword hasn't instilled any hope or assurances yet because like you said nothing has changed. In fact I could argue it's worse. We now have dyes that cost as much as a sub and can only be used once. No news on any of the multiplayer content, and not even any talks of changing the current skill system. I still maintain that this game was shown just how much the devs cared about it in 2022 when Legacy of the Sith was hyped up by the team as this big thing to go along with the anniversary, and it was a complete and utter fuck up. Guild Wars 2 was also having it's ten year anniversary and released End of Dragons, Final Fantasy XIV was having Endwalker and World of Warcraft released DragonFlight, Star Wars: The Old Republic has a small set of side missions, a UI change, combat and skill changes and that was it. Considering I'm riding on a kotor 1 and 2 high from recently finishing those games, it's inevitable that I will jump back into swtor to play through the stories and maybe take one or two characters to the end game. But I hope still that either the devs get it in gear or the community does.
I'm glad i'm playing on free-play mode and only pay maybe once a year or more since it's evident the game is still nowhere up to snuff. She's probably targeting specific star wars fans in an attempt to pressure others into not saying anything, like a round about threat.
I caught up on all expansions in a span of 2-3 months this year, and I'm beginning to feel the slow-to-no progress of this expansion. 2 years, and this is what we got? It's revolting, to say the least, especially when I am so story-oriented. It really raises the question: What are the devs' goals or plans for the future of SWTOR? And what's this about them ignoring the players and banning them from streams for criticising, questioning, or requesting? Seriously? And they stoop down to online banter? This is the Star Wars content I've learned to love and cherish the most besides the Skywalker Saga, and I'm sad to see the direction it's going... :( SoR, KOTFE, and KOTET were the highlights of the game post-origin story! It would be great if these events could be revisited! :)
Advising devs to not rely on their cash shop, is like telling someone on a life support machine not to wear their oxygen mask when they're already on the edge of popping their clogs.
@@SWCentral Yes, and everyone knows that, but you were also pretty much saying that they should spend less focus on turning the game into one massive store and more on making the game itself overall, better. Which is completely fine and we all want that, but naturally, that's never going to happen at this point. The dev team and their situation/circumstances are far too gone--especially for having such a large property to maintain and no longer having the support of EA.
@@JynxedKoma That is not the only takeaway from what I was saying. To be clear, my point is that they have no issues creating content for the cash shop, while the actual game suffers. The vast amount of items for sale indicates a large stream of revenue. And this is just one monetisation method of many they have. I'm not saying don't have it. I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to "make money". I'm saying they need to do much better at how they do so.
- With Communication, i agree. There are Studios that does a amazing job. Look At the Likes of 'Amazon Game Studios' who develop 'New World', Look at 'Undead Labs' who Develop 'State of Decay', Look at Larian Studio who develop Baldur's gate 3. I gonna pick Baldur's gate 3 as example. The devs did a Amazing job to grow up together with their fandom to the Point that both sides really go hand-in-hand with each other. Recently Larian had to Delay their Physical Copy edition for console players, the Community's reaction was so HEARTWARMING to me, they were compassionate and understanding, they were fully onboard and wishes Larian the best of luck to fix the issue, i probably did not read a single negative comment on it at the time. If SWTOR would delay something like this, they would get Hate from all sides. - 100% this game was my childhood, I grew up with the old Republic games more then the movies and TV Series, I love the Old Republic to death as one of my most favorite franchises. I definetly do not wanna see this game die. I always imagined this game would still live on alongside WoW and LOTRO. And i hope it still does. they can fix this!
If you're still paying for a subscription and playing this game, YOU are part of the problem. As long as you keep paying the $15 a month to play this game, the people responsible for the management of it have literally zero incentive to change anything. This goes doubly so for anyone actually buying anything from this game's cash shop. The saddest thing is that there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it now though. If people would've canceled their subscriptions and quit the game in droves years ago in protest of the way the game's cash shop and story were headed there might've been hope, but now the much more likely possibility is that if the game were to experience a mass exodus of players, the folks responsible for running the game would just shut it down because they're content with how much money they've been able to milk it for.
You are right, to an extent. A mass player revolt *could* work. But it given the fact the devs have been blissfully banning/muting players for speaking up, does not bode well. I'm actually surprised they have not tried to censor myself yet. But this could be a good sign for making leeway. Who knows... Anyways. What I will tell you, is that if this expansion finale isn't the best thing i've ever seen, then my final review of this game will pull no punches. It is my mission to make sure ALL players know how this game is being handled, before they invest time/money/emotions.
If there was any MMO that I never would have imagined could fail it would be a Star Wars MMO followed by a LotR MMO, but here we are, in the tangent where Biff is married to Marty's mother.
I wish they would have prolonged patch 6.3 a bit longer so I could have finished all the Master Mode Operations with my team. 7.0's shittiness completely killed my motivation for the game and now most of the raiders I know do not play actively anymore. :(
I love this video I have watched it so many times and agree with this sm. This is my best guess I think the reason we have this nul and malgus/mando story is dragging because they don’t know what to do and I think the reason they haven’t gone back to imp vs pub is because it requires mostly 2 different stories and although I want to go back to imp vs pub I think it’s just the devs don’t want to do 2 stories then claim (they don’t have the resources to do 2 separate stories) but I could be wrong but truth is we always have to make theories because the devs won’t tell us anything.
Personally only stuff I cared about was origin stories, I stopped caring mostly when we hit into the knight of the fallen empire. Where they decided to remove previous companion and force you to find them again. Why these new and my opinion bland character took the place of them until you could earn them back. Also really did not like the abandonment of the origin stories, it lost replayability flavor for me, it surprises me a bit since I would think not really having a reason to make new characters. Would lose the cash shop purchases but also money they could have gotten from buying more character slots.
i hate fighting this shitty ass bosses. i killed the most powerfull sithlord in the history of star wars but this randow reject somehow can go toe to toe with me it looks like they forget what and who your character has gone through
I really want malgus as a permanent companion, but it seems unlikely with how the plot is going. Would also like Sahar and even Ri'kan as companions too, but we haven't even seen Tau or Arn become permanent companions (I know, no real evidence they would be, but still).
Honestly youve more or less summed up my thoughts on SWTOR's current state. I'm a bit of a new player so my complaints on the pacing are not as strong as some of the older players as I've more or less just binged through the entire storyline until I've caught up. I agree with you that Ri'kan being as big of a threat that he is feels more insulting then anything, we've literally fought Valkorion, Vaylin Unchained, Arcann, Revan Reborn, Malgus, and some of the strongest beings of the Old Republic but you want me to believe that I'm struggling against some random dude? Nah as even my nicest characters like my LS/neutral Pragmatic JK or SW would've either straight up killed Ri'kan or knocked him out and dragged him into a jail cell for Sa'har. Frankly if the story isn't about Maglus I honestly don't care, what I thought was going to be an explanation as to what happened to this era of Sith is slowly becoming a large cluster of ideas that I have to refrence other RUclips Videos to figure out what happened in the last uodate months ago.
Your point about game modes being removed and no new group content in over two years is spot on. The only way I feel these developers will listen is by pocket book, and people unsubbing unfortunately from the game. I know when 7.5 was announced I unsubbed at that point. I wasn't going to keep playing a game that didn't care for the players. The feed back giving and ignored, the blatant silencing of paying players on the forums or twitch stream, lack of communication. To be honest though all this started to go down hill when Chris Schmidt was in the driver seat for most these changes and directions we are in now. To be honest it does need a whole new dev team to work on it. Roll the game back before the Chris Schmidt era. Maybe it is time for the game to die if EA doesn't want to sink some actual cash flow into and make it great again.
When i played it all i could Think was is this is i spend half my time doing a stupid slave quest That i didnt Care about at only good part about That quest was the leave option
Missed opportunity with the way u said (cos of yr voice) "the belief that the devs know best, when in reality, they KNOW NOTHING!" (GoT Jon Snow reference) lol Agree with u on all points except for the cash shop cos ya know, this game is F2P & has to make money from somewhere...
Want to thank you for saying the things that need to be said. I think the story in the recent update was better than the previous several ones... but that doesn't mean it was good at all. We got one neat cutscene at the end with zero idea of what's going to happen now, no direction, just dragging things along. It's like they're trying to meet a quota. It's weird. Because SWTOR doesn't make endgame content anymore... which as a NiM Raider, greatly disappoints me. SWTOR used to have great storytelling. Now it can't do that anymore. What does this game have that sets it apart anymore?
Played SWTOR since the beginning and loved it as a solo player. But when it took so long for new updates, stupid grind quests and events i quit playing. And still i am not drawn to play the game as it is so lackluster from the end of origin story line.
9:58 I’m half way through this vid but damn my man you so far couldn’t have put it any better myself I have most of my characters levels up to 80 but I’ve held them back from the later content because they would be waisted instead I’m taking my time nagging with as much of content the game had to offer creating new characters etc I hate the new lighting system it makes last gen graphics look terrible in cutscenes from armor to player faces and the shoehorning of next gem graphics on new armor sets does not mesh well. I hate how our og companions have been pushed aside with no further interactions especially opens give romance though I love them Incant just interact with Theron and Lana all the time and whatever boring side character is introduced for the mission but never seen again or have as a companion cough cough major Anri. The lack of voiced dialogue is annoying and a obvious copout to save money I hated it 5 years ago I hate it now after the last update I though the devs had improved their timing of where lines should are voiced for important things and what weren’t but they just doubled down and this new update had just proven this problem is getting worse.
Man If I got a penny every time I got censored on the forums for "inflammatory content". I honestly think they should build up to big expansions (with beggining, middle and end with a cliff hanger at the end setting up a NEW storyline) and focus in fixing bugs and balancing the game in the mean time. The problem is that we have freaking 2k itens in the Cartel Market and can't get a single cool working set of armor by playing the game alone. This shit pisses me off.
I say to start with bringing back Light vs Dark. As of now I don't think you can earn Light/Dark Tokens at all, but the Light/Dark vendors are still up, but take no other currency.
The Cartel Market I think is one of the "better" in game markets, though that's really not saying much at all. I think the problem with all these purchasable items is 2 fold. 1. You need Cartel Coins to also unlock the items account wide. It would make me want to buy CCM stuff way more if that feature could take either CC OR in game credits like every other Lagacy Unlock. And 2. Dyes, especially these "premium" ones, should also have an account unlock option/feature or be reworked so you can unslot them without destroying them. Like, there's a 1 of a kind premium dye in the season 6 track that you get exactly 1 of, and no more. I'm guessing it will eventually be put in the Seasons Vendor, but it will probably cost a ton of your limited Seaon Token, and past dyes you got a stack of 10 to start.
They have good content in flashpoints where they could use in the way of a mythic+ system, tho the game doesnt have the population to sustain consistent key pushes at least its something they can improve upon.
Try playing games like Baldur’s Gate 3 and Pathfinder Wrath Of The Righteous. Both are good RPG Games where you can be evil. Pathfinder Wrath Of The Righteous has a lot of endings depending on your choices. It also has Mythic Paths
Here's how we end the story: Let Project ACES take a crack at it, I've wanted a Star Wars Ace Combat game since I first played 7 and the only way to salvage this story, is with a definitive conclusion, by story writers who know how to end a story.
I loved this game for 10 years. I bought the SE of the last "X-pansion" once I experienced the update (Xpac) and they completely lied about the 10 year celebration, I gave up. They need to go back to fully paid X-Pacs, not more $20 dyes. I miss the game, but I dont miss the monotony of doing the same thing over and over again. I'd come back if they jump-start the game, otherwise, RIP ☠️🔥☠️
I personally think the only way they can improve the game is by investing in their creation tools and processes... It wouldn't matter if they pushed out a major update that everyone loved if it takes years to follow it up... More content means better tools and processes
The sad reality in my opinion is... This game is clearly in maintenance mode. They're slowly tripping out the story content and when the story is done that is the last bit of content the game is going to get 😞.
I'll be honest...idk what we can do about this game story wise. The story has gone on way too long, to the point it just feels meh? If you beat the class story you've already saved the galaxy or did a feat worthy of being its own game, the same thing for kotfe and kotet. Throw in the story with the traitor, and now Malgus? How many times can one person save the galaxy while still being treated like an errand boy? Its just? Hard to feel invested, I kinda just want my character's story to have an ending. Not good for the game but still...
Actually unsubbed to SWTOR today after many years, founder title, all that. Just not worth the time or money at the moment, and doubt it will be going forwards
I came back to this game after long break. I finished onslaugth but after few years break i forgot all the story so i decided to restart my character. I was very curious if they will add new content but the more i read about it the less hopefull im :/ Storywise theres plenty of "old stuff" to do however its like playing with SWTOR from years ago nothing more. I wish they could squeeze out some decent story or something that will revive it. This game really deserve it. So far its like putting bandage on a wound that needs stitches. It wont work well and in long run it will cause more damage. I love STWOR and i didnt play majority of classes so i have plenty of time before i hit "recent swtor" and eh... Its sad
I've grown up with this game, so I always end up coming back to the game whenever a new patch hits and generally always enjoy whenever I do come back for an update. I really have a lot of hope for the future of SWTOR but each patch is like a slap in the face. I hope that the end of this story arc is near, and that it somehow gives us the ability to have a fresh start with how expansions release. In a way this newest update feels like a step in a somewhat better direction in terms of compelling storytelling, however it's still not a way to excuse the little content the dev team has actually released within LoTS. We may never again get an expansion like SOR or even KOTFE/KOTET. But it would really be nice to get something similar in terms of scale. Group content is being neglected even more so than when KOTFE/KOTET dropped when we only got the singleplayer storylines only. Story content in general is so lackluster and lame nowadays that it's rarely even captivating anymore. Genuinely the best parts of this game right now are remaking alts and sitting AFK on the fleet, which is such a shame. While I love the game, and in ways I think the dev team is slowly taking steps into the right direction, there needs to seriously be a reconsideration of how the output of content works. Less dripfeed, more thick patches with compelling and captivating content of all types is all I ask for. Even then, there is so much potential for the game between new species, class types, specializations, you name it. There is unlimited potential, just no means to do it. Such a shame. Anyways, hope all is well Sam, much love bro
I just want to say that I am still checking in on this game. Looking at new content/updates and waiting for a reason to jump back in. I think there are many others like me... it is not too late Broadsword
The problem with the Dev's is they barely communicate anything to us players leaving us in radio silence for months at end. Take the recent VA change to the male agent, No one at broadsword thought it was a good idea to tell us in advance they were changing the VA and it left many players confused. And just like you said the unwillingness to take player feedback is legit mind boggling. Not everything has to be done, but if something is often brought up as an issue than yeah you should probably fix that broadsword. They just brush it off as haters and listen to their egos and yes men. Regarding issue #2 you brought up; -PVP is an absolute tire fire and is literally burning to the ground because of premades farming solo players, broken meta specs, and so much more. Go read Vulkks article about PVP burning to the ground if you want to see just how bad it is. -GSF is literally a graveyard -Anyone doing Operations at this points is just doing Nim Nefra or Dash for gear and thats it. -MM flashpoints are basically non existent and good luck trying to get into them. I don't have an optimistic view for this game, its been two years and it feels like with each expansion the game gets worse. The only thing the Dev's can implement is reputation grinds and that is because its the laziest repeatable content they can come up with. I'll give them semi props for trying to innovate galactic seasons with different rewards, but PVP seasons has not at all been touched though the potential is there for something to replace ranked with. In short, Honestly I think they need to clear house of the Devs' and hire ones that are passionate and are willing to work with the community. I don't have hopes 8.0 will come soon and will fix anything, I don't even think we'll get an 8.0. The massive decline of players and pushback from the devs have driven anyone away from this game. I think the Dev's plans are just to milk the Cartel Market for as long as they can with stuff from whatever star wars shows is running, and create 30 minutes worth of actual story content. The best thing that can happen to this game is that its terminated and that Fan made Dev's pick up the pieces and fix it.
Totally agree friend. I’ve seen much of Vulkk and I can’t help but wonder why the devs haven’t picked his brain yet. We still call Vulkk the godfather of SWTOR.
The recent main stories feeling like side quests is really getting old. The only reason why anyone should care about the Mando story is because of the holocron. Take that out and it becomes irrelevant. So, why have us do "daily quests" as part of the main quest to help slaves who just so happen to be rebelling at the same time to create problems for us? If you can't make a story that is long enough to be worthy of an expansion, just give us what you have, don't drag it out. And don't even get me started on Shae freeing Malgus. At the end of this chapter we have the holocron, the enemy flagship is destroyed, we basically won. All we need to do is get a fleet to wipe out the rest, right? Nope, they chose to use Malgus again and again because they can't come up with a compelling story without him, and with the timeline being kind of fucked now, it gets even more complicated. And what about the Alliance? A rather large third faction that plays Republic and Empire to survive, that likely has spies on both sides, where you can send people or ships on missions to help one side and attack or sabotage the other... Nope, they don't do anything with it, even though most companions and major characters in KOTFE and KOTET (including class story companions) are in the Alliance. And (I may be wrong here) regarding Sahar, they said we could like, mold her into an apprentice based on what we tell her, but she just keeps making poor decisions over and over again no matter what I tell her, and saving her brother at the end (who should be and deserves to be dead by now) was just dumb, like she didn't learn that he's no longer worth saving. I thought we would get her as a companion after this story was over, but we were denied. Speaking with the story, they could do so much now that we've dismantled the Hidden Chain and Heta Kol is either dead on the ship or soon to be arrested. But they choose to NOT show Heta Kol's fate or her reaction to her ship being blown up. And they have Shae create a whole new problem even though she has little to no reason to because she's apparently a loose cannon with no intelligence whatsoever now. This is like some Disney-level writing here, from the same game that gave us these great class stories and the Eternal Empire storyline.
Speculation but like you say if they don't say we don't know- the lack of of main character voice acting seemed so disrespectful like they wanted to save money. The cutscene at the end and being able to defy krovos etc I loved but the final 5 minutes of an update shouldn't be the only good part. The dynamic between Sahar and her brother really was such a waste of time. We want to see our badass main characters in cutscenes doing mad shit. Our main character exhibiting the extended force powers or abilities as per their class within cutscenes. And especially......fox the clipping of anything that flaps on outfits 🤣 this mandalorian storyline has been so incredibly tedious. I thought onslaught was amazing and then it turned to shit everywhere since. Being back on the dark councip and being referred to by my sith name is what I live for
I think overtuning flashpoints and giving us Nightmare Mode Flashpoints with proper incentives would be the way forward for pve group content. There just isn't enough interest in nightmare raiding anymore.
Dropping story quality is one of the reasons why I cancelled my subscription & that was many years ago. A oh look another daily area or side quest isn't progression it is just busy work for the players & lazy from the developers.
No. You find value in a game yourself. If it’s good, you enjoy it. This MMO has enjoyable content. Especially from previous expansions. My thoughts, opinions and any video I make is based on the state of the game at present. Any new player could start today and have a great time for weeks. The Apathy starts and ends with the newest dev team since 5.x
The day EA made the announcement that they selling the game to Broadsword the game "officially" died look at the other games they got all of them are old games that are not relevant anymore
2 years have passed, and the dlc is still incomplete. FF14 releases a WHOLE expansion in 2 years. Of course, I know the game is much bigger than SWTOR today, but geez..2 years for a dlc in half...
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Speak a little louder so they can hear you in the back because they cant hear
@@SWCentral thank you for making this video man much love .
Keep the noise down, fs
I’m 27 now, spent close to half my life with this game, played it religiously. Its setting and story is my number one favorite fictional world ever, to me it is star wars as it should be. I still love this thing very much and worry for its future.
Me too! I've played it since I was 13 and still recall when rise of the Hutt cartel came out. I play it these days literally just hoping the next update will be better and it rarely is 😭
damn, respect guy, I only played it for about two months after launch but still have fond memories and check in on the game every once and a while
Me too man
I mean, it's had a very long run, and given EA's exclusivity deal on Star Wars is coming to an end, it's hard to imagine the game has many years left before officially being forced to shut down and make room for another Star Wars MMO, just like Galaxies before it.
I said it along time ago. We went from we being the story to becoming a footnote in our own star wars story.
And i agree. We have defeated insanely powerful people as our characters. Now we struggle to nobody’s because of plot armor.
My man trying his best to save SWTOR from complete downfall, keep it up brother. with most respect
I think once this shitty storyline is finally wrapped up that'll be the end of it. They clearly can't maintain the same level of quality as the original content, and they have the writing and creativity abilities of a rock.
That's really unfair dude. We're all Star Wars fans here, there is absolutely no need to be so mean about rocks.
A Rock of the high republic.
I have found that most starwars fans have an easier time hating starwars then loving it but I love starwars all the same cannon or legends
@@osrishunter You can enjoy and love a thing, while at the same time being able to criticise it. You don’t ever just love a thing or just hate a thing. As someone with autism I’m unable to process or even fathom for that matter how some people do not understand that. Food for thought maybe.
@@osrishunterthere is being a fan of something and then there is a consumer who just buys shit for the sake of it.
Whats sad is this game has made millions and I believe still makes good money but they used it for other projects instead of putting it back into the game.
Now this is pretty accurate.
@@SWCentral That's modern gaming for you. :(
Swtor has made over a billion dollars, yet what we're given is not worth a billion.
EA is the one who killed it, not Broadsword.
Blame the Publisher, if the game were handed over to Broadsword full time, we'd probably see a Cash influx from Disney.
Last time I was this early, Anakin hadn’t yet blown up both star stars, but the sand women and sand children too.
Welcome back, apprentice.
I'm glad someone pointed it out. I loved SWTOR and it pains me to see what it became.
this game has been a huge part of my life since i was 11 years old and seeing what they've done to it over the years sickens me. if only they loved it as much as we do.
This is a game that used to have it's physical 60 day game time cards constantly sold out at every game store back in the day. Now look at the state it's in. Nobody wants to touch it even with a barge pole. Good going, EA and Bioware... Good going.
I remember back in 2020 when Bioware took heavy issue with my own personal rant about the cartel market's predatory pull, and how I was asked to remove the content yet I refused. I remember my excuse was: "I'm not one of your 'yes' women you have in your Creator group. I can say what I want when I want. You want something else said, then make better choices with your game." It appears that they're still up to their old antics, and much like Lucasfilm itself blaming the fans for the slop that they themselves are producing, they can't take the heat when the pushback gets intensified. But of course they just can't make a game like how gamers want it, they have to make sure they cater to the people who don't even play the game just so they can feel "accomplished" in some way.
guess we gotta wait another 6 years to fight shae, and another 6 years to officially kill malgus
We need more story chains like the class stories, I love doing them. The new content is just breadcrumb patches that just string us along till the next patch. I just got back into doing ops again having taken a long break. I been having a lot of fun but there is a lot of things wrong with the game.
My personal opinions based on facts.
1) I used to love this game, the different outfits are cool and the stronghold decorations appear very vivid, almost like an alternant reality.
2) Bioware or whichever company is now operating SWTOR needs to stop making it a P2P (Pay to Play) F2P players get stuck with a 1,000,000 credit count max. This company uses annoyance to entice players to spend money on monthly subscriptions, which unfortunately many players do.
3) The lack of communication is an issue as well as hyping up pointless updates such as "The Date Night." Which I know many players liked the idea of romancing their favorite companions, but that should be lowest on the priority spectrum for an M.M.O.R.P.G game.
4) Cartel Coins is this games biggest currency, which is funny because we have to spend a currency to get a digital currency.
5) Money rules the world in SWTOR, this is the truth, whether anyone has been playing since the start or just started playing, the more money one spends on subscriptions the more they earn in turn, but what about the players that dont spend money. This is a star wars game. NOT a business game.
6) The community managers lack of respect for the players is pathetic, it's us, the players, that are paying to keep a game that's on a trip to nothingness, just to be bullied as a response, this community manager that you mentioned really has a lot of player outraged. Imagine paying a serviced based company just to be insulted as a result. THIS need to STOP SWTOR!
Disclaimer: This is my honest opinion. I have a lot more issues with SWTOR.
#StandWithStarWarsCentral!!!!!
"This is a star wars game. NOT a business game." No, this is a business game, MMOs are supposed to make continued profit, if they don't they close down, so they need to give people reason to pay. To give non-paying players full access to every major feature is to doom the game
@@mawrak Firstly, hello! Secondly, it's my opinion and besides, it's understandable that they need money. But read my last point. Would you pay for a crappy subscription for 3 channels, and channels are randomly deleted and pointless stuff like a new background is added? I have worked as head administrator of a video game. So, I do understand the need for money, but in my opinion, with the way players have been treated by biowares community managers. It begs the question, why pay for trash?
@@mawrak and, out of respect, I enjoyed your Knights of the eternal throne series! It is what originally convinced me to play SWTOR in the first place. For this, I thank you :).
@@Dread_Master_Cyberblade oh, hey! I didn't expect to see my viewers here. Glad you enjoyed the series. Sorry if I came out a bit rude, I didn't really meant it that way. I just think that the current F2P limitations are mostly reasonable, as I have seen much worse behaviour and "Pay to Win" strategy in other online games and MMOs. Yes some of them are annoying, but if you think about it, the players who don't pay are basically using the game's server power for free, which is a net negative for the developers, so it seems like giving access to more features makes sense here. And yes I understand that F2P players are still important and contribute to the overall population health, but I still don't think its wise to relax the current restrictions, they are restrictive by design and keep the game profitable. I do actually agree with many of your other points, but not this one.
You are so wrong you sound really stupid
All well said! And you and I both know how Jackie feels about us. Thanks for the shout out, and yes...BEARD POWER!!! 😂
Any time my guy.
I was one of the first players to ever grace the servers of SWTOR, all the way from Early Access. Played till around 2017-2018 and I have a lot of amazing memories from all the content that we had at our disposal. I recently logged in to find everything changed. 1 server barely holding on to dear life, class system changed, PVP dead, shit and unfinished story, gameplay full of bugs. I just wish it was 2011 again so I can jump in Vanilla SWTOR and get going from there again
I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention this, probably because it's too obvious but, NONE of the recent expansions are even separate expansions. It's still ALL just Legacy of The Sith.
When I tried asking them if they forgot to put some lore interaction trigger as a some who purchased a subscription from them, I found the broken chains object on Ruhnuk. I looked into Jedipedia and it was the exact same object, but it wasn't interactable. I tried asking if it was a bug or not then redirected me to bug report then I did the same thing of asking them if it's a bug or not then suddenly I got this cryptic message of saying like "sorry, but what you're asking is may contain spoilers." I don't feel like they answered my question, and this is before 7.5 keep in mind. After 7.5 I went back to the same object and still wasn't fixed or anything was done for the matter. I even addressed the clan Ha'rangir lore we were supposed get during the side storyline with Lane but still didn't get it
I have been a fairly consistent subscriber to this game since the beginning. I have my Founder title and my Yellow-Black Crystal. I want to see something great in the future.
Apathy means death
Apathy is death
Worse than death. “Because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects.”
Apathy is death
(Sorry #SWCentral for the long reply but I hope you can see where I am getting at) It’s not just that. The devs and staff team in general don’t listen like at all. I’ll be completely honest too. I love Swtor but I feel like the only way the devs will learn is if players leave for awhile until they change.
On top of that I hate and I mean hate that we have to deal with malgus again!!!. both Malgus and Shae need to go. I mean literally malgus has become just as annoying as the Tenebrae the immortal Sith emperor. Than we also gotta deal with the new Dark council and the new empress or emperor thinking they are the equal of The wrath and Darth Nox. Nox literally was leading the council along with Darth Marr and their powers alone were second only to the emperor. But the devs won’t make Nox Emperor or Empress. People say if our character becomes emperor or empress then there won’t be anything to do. But the devs can make it so we are not and idle Emperor like Tenebrae. We can be an Emperor that takes the field and fights with his people.
I wanna see new things like different powers red Sith lightning new armor more heavily based on Sith and Jedi and NOT DAMN IRL CULTURE. I mean hell if you are unable to do anything with powers and armor than let the modders do something. Modders nowadays have done so much for games when devs of said games refuse to do anything. They can always put rules in place for modders like no making op powers or copyrighted armor etc. But I know for a fact that if modders were given the chance we would have unique armor designs for Sith and Jedi.
This.
That assumes EA won't just pull the plug on SWTOR in this case
@@EclipsedYamiOld Good. Then the fans can pick it up and probably make 1000% better content.
@@EclipsedYamiOld EA moved swtor to broadsword for a reason instead of straight pulling the plug. still money to be had
@@SWCentral Sorry I added more and had to edit it. There was more I wanted to say and get off my chest
I've already given up on the game. I log in every few months just to complete the 20 minutes of new story content, and that's it.
1:04 before the main section of the video start, I just wanted to point out two massive plots holes in the story. First during kotfe valkorian strengthens your connection to the force and satele Shan emphasises that you are the most powerful force use. I know the non force using classes present a problem here, but why in the rest of the story do you not get to exercise this power? The second plot hole comes with the hole emperor of zakuul thing. Whether or not you choose to become the emperor, you still take the throne, yet your never truly the leader of zakuul in a story sense after the nathima conspiracy, (which also make zero sense!). My final gripe with the story is that you as alliance commander would never do what was done with the character in the latest expansions. You wouldn’t be going on these secret operations on ossis, ordmantel, and hatta. You would play more of a diplomatic and military role rather than a secret operative. I think Astor from kotfe onwards has suffered from an incoherent unconecceted and unrealistic story with doesn’t make sense a one continuous story.
(Any typos are because I can’t spell.)
Very true. Those missions are for like Theron, or other operatives, agents and spies to do. We are one of the most powerful leader of one of the most powerful faction in the galaxy, not some upstart. Even if someone didn't became the Emperor of Zakuul.
Agree. Even as a mostly solo player I know these types of games live and die by their end game and pvp player bases
I feel like after echoes of oblivion the devs just stopped caring about the story it’s sad to see bc I loved that story and got me hooked into the game again
I've been playing SWTOR less and less because something felt off with it. Now I know why.
the freaking trailer came 2 years ago. AND THEY HAVENT EVEN FINISHED RELEASING IT
Great video! Organized and edited well. I haven’t payed attention since the last “expansion” and crazy to hear that it’s gotten worse. Even crazier to hear Jackie is still around
Glad you liked it friend!
I would say this:
The story is fine to good, it depends but i would be better if it was delivered in half the time .
We need to conclude the Mando story .
The need to remove most, if not all, the annoying thing for preferred and f2p players .
They need to invest more or conclude the all deal, it's useless to remain in this comatose state.
In general we need more of everything .
Kinda wild that Shae chooses Malgus because she claims he's a strong leader when she already has the strongest leader in the galaxy, the Alliance Commander, as her ally. Seriously, our PCs have kicked Malgus' butt numerous times now and also defeated Valkorian, Vitiate (JK), Tenebrae and brought people from numerous backgrounds together to defeat the brat pack of the Eternal Throne, but shae's all like, nah, the 60+-year-old Sith that's been frankesteined back together by the Empire is who I need.
years ago, swtor was my favorite mmorpg to run raids on. i had a heals commando and as long as the tank was competent and the dps-es were semi-rational we could make it through almost any raid without wiping. skip ahead to the next patch, and my extended toolbar is virtually empty, all of the channeling times were different and some of my go-to abilities were gone altogether. from that point on, i quit raiding because i couldn't relearn the game.
I don't think we get updates from the devs about the future because they either don't know the future of the game or there is no future of the game.
About a year ago now the game director said “We have already planned content out for 7.4 and beyond”
So they know the updates, they just won’t share them and force us to wait months if not a whole year until an update.
Empire's Wrath, alliance commander, SITH Lord, Dark counsel member, slayer of the Emperor and I got some slave not giving me information till I help them get free where's the kill 1 and shock the other dark sith choice.
They'd rather make store items based on shows and "graphics updates".
Not surprised really, 1 foot in the grave thanks to the skeleton crew dev team.
"Let that sink in" 0:18
I'd really rather not ngl
in my opion we need the end of malgus yes and to be honest we need comunity created content
and to add more i think we need to get more popular youtubers and streamers in the game to stream it and to make videos on would shake things up
For me, it is dead the moment they decided to group all class stories.
That was definitely a bad sign and despite how much I ended up enjoying the Zakuul stuff, it took our eight characters and began to blend them into one character blob.
@@randomcenturion7264 Definitely the sign of cutting cost and creative stagnation. When swtor released, it promised a world that every players were part of which 8 stories for 8 different classes encompass the whole swtor, it showed in the way they did the FPs and OP at the beginning.
7:40 Man you, this part was the act same I was thinking You're telling me you rikan can give me a better fight than MALGUS!, this guys plot armor ks on masger cheif lvls, the rest of the video is also amazing, I agree with everything you said here.
SWTOR is tasting Oblivion, like Darth Vitiate said "The Circle Closes, The End Begins." SWTOR is beginning to taste oblivion, they don't care about the game and it's becoming obvious. I absolutely agree with you!
I've never held the belief that just because of Dragon Age or Mass Effect, that swtor had to suffer. It never made any sense unless we are admitting that the two companies are just terrible at team and time management. I think swtor's issues are two big things: The devs either don't care or have stopped caring, and the community itself is split like the star wars community as a whole. The I think the community issue is probably the biggest issue because it feeds into the devs not caring about the state of the game and how we end with an "expansion" that contained more UI changes than actual content. Seeing so many people say the game is "in a good place" or "more active" than ever is a lie, and one that I don't understand how anyone could actually believe. It doesn't help either that the community's biggest streamer and content creators act like they are in high school and attempt to blacklist anyone that doesn't agree with them, which creates more division in the community and the game itself. Surprisingly enough, though I have seen that the pvp community for swtor has somehow come together more than any other group, they seem happy for lack of a better word. Could be that they have accepted their side being ignored which means no more potential to ruin.
As for the devs, the change to Broadsword hasn't instilled any hope or assurances yet because like you said nothing has changed. In fact I could argue it's worse. We now have dyes that cost as much as a sub and can only be used once. No news on any of the multiplayer content, and not even any talks of changing the current skill system. I still maintain that this game was shown just how much the devs cared about it in 2022 when Legacy of the Sith was hyped up by the team as this big thing to go along with the anniversary, and it was a complete and utter fuck up. Guild Wars 2 was also having it's ten year anniversary and released End of Dragons, Final Fantasy XIV was having Endwalker and World of Warcraft released DragonFlight, Star Wars: The Old Republic has a small set of side missions, a UI change, combat and skill changes and that was it.
Considering I'm riding on a kotor 1 and 2 high from recently finishing those games, it's inevitable that I will jump back into swtor to play through the stories and maybe take one or two characters to the end game. But I hope still that either the devs get it in gear or the community does.
I'm glad i'm playing on free-play mode and only pay maybe once a year or more since it's evident the game is still nowhere up to snuff.
She's probably targeting specific star wars fans in an attempt to pressure others into not saying anything, like a round about threat.
Out of curiosity when u planning on doing the Republic side of the new storyline?
Should be today or tomorrow!
@@SWCentral Ty!
Thank you for putting to words all the feelings I’ve had with the current story >_
I got you!
I caught up on all expansions in a span of 2-3 months this year, and I'm beginning to feel the slow-to-no progress of this expansion. 2 years, and this is what we got? It's revolting, to say the least, especially when I am so story-oriented. It really raises the question: What are the devs' goals or plans for the future of SWTOR? And what's this about them ignoring the players and banning them from streams for criticising, questioning, or requesting? Seriously? And they stoop down to online banter? This is the Star Wars content I've learned to love and cherish the most besides the Skywalker Saga, and I'm sad to see the direction it's going... :(
SoR, KOTFE, and KOTET were the highlights of the game post-origin story! It would be great if these events could be revisited! :)
I feel your pain :(
Advising devs to not rely on their cash shop, is like telling someone on a life support machine not to wear their oxygen mask when they're already on the edge of popping their clogs.
Those were not my words. My point was that they have the largest cash shop I’ve ever seen.
@@SWCentral Yes, and everyone knows that, but you were also pretty much saying that they should spend less focus on turning the game into one massive store and more on making the game itself overall, better. Which is completely fine and we all want that, but naturally, that's never going to happen at this point. The dev team and their situation/circumstances are far too gone--especially for having such a large property to maintain and no longer having the support of EA.
@@JynxedKoma That is not the only takeaway from what I was saying. To be clear, my point is that they have no issues creating content for the cash shop, while the actual game suffers. The vast amount of items for sale indicates a large stream of revenue. And this is just one monetisation method of many they have.
I'm not saying don't have it. I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to "make money". I'm saying they need to do much better at how they do so.
This game has no future. The complete team has around 70-80 people, right? It's less than "life support".
- With Communication, i agree. There are Studios that does a amazing job. Look At the Likes of 'Amazon Game Studios' who develop 'New World', Look at 'Undead Labs' who Develop 'State of Decay', Look at Larian Studio who develop Baldur's gate 3.
I gonna pick Baldur's gate 3 as example. The devs did a Amazing job to grow up together with their fandom to the Point that both sides really go hand-in-hand with each other. Recently Larian had to Delay their Physical Copy edition for console players, the Community's reaction was so HEARTWARMING to me, they were compassionate and understanding, they were fully onboard and wishes Larian the best of luck to fix the issue, i probably did not read a single negative comment on it at the time. If SWTOR would delay something like this, they would get Hate from all sides.
- 100% this game was my childhood, I grew up with the old Republic games more then the movies and TV Series, I love the Old Republic to death as one of my most favorite franchises. I definetly do not wanna see this game die. I always imagined this game would still live on alongside WoW and LOTRO. And i hope it still does. they can fix this!
If you're still paying for a subscription and playing this game, YOU are part of the problem. As long as you keep paying the $15 a month to play this game, the people responsible for the management of it have literally zero incentive to change anything. This goes doubly so for anyone actually buying anything from this game's cash shop. The saddest thing is that there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it now though. If people would've canceled their subscriptions and quit the game in droves years ago in protest of the way the game's cash shop and story were headed there might've been hope, but now the much more likely possibility is that if the game were to experience a mass exodus of players, the folks responsible for running the game would just shut it down because they're content with how much money they've been able to milk it for.
You are right, to an extent. A mass player revolt *could* work. But it given the fact the devs have been blissfully banning/muting players for speaking up, does not bode well. I'm actually surprised they have not tried to censor myself yet. But this could be a good sign for making leeway. Who knows...
Anyways. What I will tell you, is that if this expansion finale isn't the best thing i've ever seen, then my final review of this game will pull no punches. It is my mission to make sure ALL players know how this game is being handled, before they invest time/money/emotions.
Sam hits us with a BANGER out of nowhere! I love it!
Thanks fam. Just doing what needs doing.
If there was any MMO that I never would have imagined could fail it would be a Star Wars MMO followed by a LotR MMO, but here we are, in the tangent where Biff is married to Marty's mother.
I wish they would have prolonged patch 6.3 a bit longer so I could have finished all the Master Mode Operations with my team. 7.0's shittiness completely killed my motivation for the game and now most of the raiders I know do not play actively anymore. :(
I love this video I have watched it so many times and agree with this sm. This is my best guess I think the reason we have this nul and malgus/mando story is dragging because they don’t know what to do and I think the reason they haven’t gone back to imp vs pub is because it requires mostly 2 different stories and although I want to go back to imp vs pub I think it’s just the devs don’t want to do 2 stories then claim (they don’t have the resources to do 2 separate stories) but I could be wrong but truth is we always have to make theories because the devs won’t tell us anything.
Personally only stuff I cared about was origin stories, I stopped caring mostly when we hit into the knight of the fallen empire. Where they decided to remove previous companion and force you to find them again. Why these new and my opinion bland character took the place of them until you could earn them back. Also really did not like the abandonment of the origin stories, it lost replayability flavor for me, it surprises me a bit since I would think not really having a reason to make new characters. Would lose the cash shop purchases but also money they could have gotten from buying more character slots.
i hate fighting this shitty ass bosses. i killed the most powerfull sithlord in the history of star wars but this randow reject somehow can go toe to toe with me it looks like they forget what and who your character has gone through
I really want malgus as a permanent companion, but it seems unlikely with how the plot is going. Would also like Sahar and even Ri'kan as companions too, but we haven't even seen Tau or Arn become permanent companions (I know, no real evidence they would be, but still).
Honestly youve more or less summed up my thoughts on SWTOR's current state. I'm a bit of a new player so my complaints on the pacing are not as strong as some of the older players as I've more or less just binged through the entire storyline until I've caught up.
I agree with you that Ri'kan being as big of a threat that he is feels more insulting then anything, we've literally fought Valkorion, Vaylin Unchained, Arcann, Revan Reborn, Malgus, and some of the strongest beings of the Old Republic but you want me to believe that I'm struggling against some random dude? Nah as even my nicest characters like my LS/neutral Pragmatic JK or SW would've either straight up killed Ri'kan or knocked him out and dragged him into a jail cell for Sa'har.
Frankly if the story isn't about Maglus I honestly don't care, what I thought was going to be an explanation as to what happened to this era of Sith is slowly becoming a large cluster of ideas that I have to refrence other RUclips Videos to figure out what happened in the last uodate months ago.
Your point about game modes being removed and no new group content in over two years is spot on. The only way I feel these developers will listen is by pocket book, and people unsubbing unfortunately from the game. I know when 7.5 was announced I unsubbed at that point. I wasn't going to keep playing a game that didn't care for the players. The feed back giving and ignored, the blatant silencing of paying players on the forums or twitch stream, lack of communication.
To be honest though all this started to go down hill when Chris Schmidt was in the driver seat for most these changes and directions we are in now.
To be honest it does need a whole new dev team to work on it. Roll the game back before the Chris Schmidt era.
Maybe it is time for the game to die if EA doesn't want to sink some actual cash flow into and make it great again.
Killing off Darth Malgus
especially so early
hate it
When i played it all i could Think was is this is i spend half my time doing a stupid slave quest That i didnt Care about at only good part about That quest was the leave option
Missed opportunity with the way u said (cos of yr voice) "the belief that the devs know best, when in reality, they KNOW NOTHING!" (GoT Jon Snow reference) lol
Agree with u on all points except for the cash shop cos ya know, this game is F2P & has to make money from somewhere...
Hehe ;)
I really hope the devs will listen to us but I don’t know if they will
Want to thank you for saying the things that need to be said. I think the story in the recent update was better than the previous several ones... but that doesn't mean it was good at all. We got one neat cutscene at the end with zero idea of what's going to happen now, no direction, just dragging things along. It's like they're trying to meet a quota. It's weird. Because SWTOR doesn't make endgame content anymore... which as a NiM Raider, greatly disappoints me. SWTOR used to have great storytelling. Now it can't do that anymore. What does this game have that sets it apart anymore?
Played SWTOR since the beginning and loved it as a solo player. But when it took so long for new updates, stupid grind quests and events i quit playing. And still i am not drawn to play the game as it is so lackluster from the end of origin story line.
9:58 I’m half way through this vid but damn my man you so far couldn’t have put it any better myself
I have most of my characters levels up to 80 but I’ve held them back from the later content because they would be waisted instead I’m taking my time nagging with as much of content the game had to offer creating new characters etc
I hate the new lighting system it makes last gen graphics look terrible in cutscenes from armor to player faces and the shoehorning of next gem graphics on new armor sets does not mesh well.
I hate how our og companions have been pushed aside with no further interactions especially opens give romance though I love them Incant just interact with Theron and Lana all the time and whatever boring side character is introduced for the mission but never seen again or have as a companion cough cough major Anri.
The lack of voiced dialogue is annoying and a obvious copout to save money I hated it 5 years ago I hate it now after the last update I though the devs had improved their timing of where lines should are voiced for important things and what weren’t but they just doubled down and this new update had just proven this problem is getting worse.
Man If I got a penny every time I got censored on the forums for "inflammatory content". I honestly think they should build up to big expansions (with beggining, middle and end with a cliff hanger at the end setting up a NEW storyline) and focus in fixing bugs and balancing the game in the mean time. The problem is that we have freaking 2k itens in the Cartel Market and can't get a single cool working set of armor by playing the game alone. This shit pisses me off.
I say to start with bringing back Light vs Dark. As of now I don't think you can earn Light/Dark Tokens at all, but the Light/Dark vendors are still up, but take no other currency.
Somehow Ri'kan returns....
It’s like poetry, it rhymes with
The Cartel Market I think is one of the "better" in game markets, though that's really not saying much at all. I think the problem with all these purchasable items is 2 fold. 1. You need Cartel Coins to also unlock the items account wide. It would make me want to buy CCM stuff way more if that feature could take either CC OR in game credits like every other Lagacy Unlock. And 2. Dyes, especially these "premium" ones, should also have an account unlock option/feature or be reworked so you can unslot them without destroying them. Like, there's a 1 of a kind premium dye in the season 6 track that you get exactly 1 of, and no more. I'm guessing it will eventually be put in the Seasons Vendor, but it will probably cost a ton of your limited Seaon Token, and past dyes you got a stack of 10 to start.
They have good content in flashpoints where they could use in the way of a mythic+ system, tho the game doesnt have the population to sustain consistent key pushes at least its something they can improve upon.
Try playing games like Baldur’s Gate 3 and Pathfinder Wrath Of The Righteous. Both are good RPG Games where you can be evil. Pathfinder Wrath Of The Righteous has a lot of endings depending on your choices. It also has Mythic Paths
Here's how we end the story:
Let Project ACES take a crack at it, I've wanted a Star Wars Ace Combat game since I first played 7 and the only way to salvage this story, is with a definitive conclusion, by story writers who know how to end a story.
I loved this game for 10 years. I bought the SE of the last "X-pansion" once I experienced the update (Xpac) and they completely lied about the 10 year celebration, I gave up. They need to go back to fully paid X-Pacs, not more $20 dyes. I miss the game, but I dont miss the monotony of doing the same thing over and over again. I'd come back if they jump-start the game, otherwise, RIP ☠️🔥☠️
I personally think the only way they can improve the game is by investing in their creation tools and processes... It wouldn't matter if they pushed out a major update that everyone loved if it takes years to follow it up... More content means better tools and processes
The sad reality in my opinion is... This game is clearly in maintenance mode. They're slowly tripping out the story content and when the story is done that is the last bit of content the game is going to get 😞.
I'll be honest...idk what we can do about this game story wise. The story has gone on way too long, to the point it just feels meh? If you beat the class story you've already saved the galaxy or did a feat worthy of being its own game, the same thing for kotfe and kotet. Throw in the story with the traitor, and now Malgus? How many times can one person save the galaxy while still being treated like an errand boy? Its just? Hard to feel invested, I kinda just want my character's story to have an ending. Not good for the game but still...
Actually unsubbed to SWTOR today after many years, founder title, all that. Just not worth the time or money at the moment, and doubt it will be going forwards
I came back to this game after long break. I finished onslaugth but after few years break i forgot all the story so i decided to restart my character. I was very curious if they will add new content but the more i read about it the less hopefull im :/ Storywise theres plenty of "old stuff" to do however its like playing with SWTOR from years ago nothing more. I wish they could squeeze out some decent story or something that will revive it. This game really deserve it. So far its like putting bandage on a wound that needs stitches. It wont work well and in long run it will cause more damage. I love STWOR and i didnt play majority of classes so i have plenty of time before i hit "recent swtor" and eh... Its sad
I thought malgusses arch started during the false emperor flashpoint. 5:51
You could say that haha
I've grown up with this game, so I always end up coming back to the game whenever a new patch hits and generally always enjoy whenever I do come back for an update. I really have a lot of hope for the future of SWTOR but each patch is like a slap in the face. I hope that the end of this story arc is near, and that it somehow gives us the ability to have a fresh start with how expansions release. In a way this newest update feels like a step in a somewhat better direction in terms of compelling storytelling, however it's still not a way to excuse the little content the dev team has actually released within LoTS. We may never again get an expansion like SOR or even KOTFE/KOTET. But it would really be nice to get something similar in terms of scale. Group content is being neglected even more so than when KOTFE/KOTET dropped when we only got the singleplayer storylines only. Story content in general is so lackluster and lame nowadays that it's rarely even captivating anymore. Genuinely the best parts of this game right now are remaking alts and sitting AFK on the fleet, which is such a shame.
While I love the game, and in ways I think the dev team is slowly taking steps into the right direction, there needs to seriously be a reconsideration of how the output of content works. Less dripfeed, more thick patches with compelling and captivating content of all types is all I ask for. Even then, there is so much potential for the game between new species, class types, specializations, you name it. There is unlimited potential, just no means to do it. Such a shame.
Anyways, hope all is well Sam, much love bro
My fam ❤️
I just want to say that I am still checking in on this game. Looking at new content/updates and waiting for a reason to jump back in. I think there are many others like me... it is not too late Broadsword
The problem with the Dev's is they barely communicate anything to us players leaving us in radio silence for months at end.
Take the recent VA change to the male agent, No one at broadsword thought it was a good idea to tell us in advance they were changing the VA and it left many players confused.
And just like you said the unwillingness to take player feedback is legit mind boggling. Not everything has to be done, but if something is often brought up as an issue than yeah you should probably fix that broadsword. They just brush it off as haters and listen to their egos and yes men.
Regarding issue #2 you brought up;
-PVP is an absolute tire fire and is literally burning to the ground because of premades farming solo players, broken meta specs, and so much more. Go read Vulkks article about PVP burning to the ground if you want to see just how bad it is.
-GSF is literally a graveyard
-Anyone doing Operations at this points is just doing Nim Nefra or Dash for gear and thats it.
-MM flashpoints are basically non existent and good luck trying to get into them.
I don't have an optimistic view for this game, its been two years and it feels like with each expansion the game gets worse. The only thing the Dev's can implement is reputation grinds and that is because its the laziest repeatable content they can come up with. I'll give them semi props for trying to innovate galactic seasons with different rewards, but PVP seasons has not at all been touched though the potential is there for something to replace ranked with.
In short, Honestly I think they need to clear house of the Devs' and hire ones that are passionate and are willing to work with the community. I don't have hopes 8.0 will come soon and will fix anything, I don't even think we'll get an 8.0. The massive decline of players and pushback from the devs have driven anyone away from this game.
I think the Dev's plans are just to milk the Cartel Market for as long as they can with stuff from whatever star wars shows is running, and create 30 minutes worth of actual story content.
The best thing that can happen to this game is that its terminated and that Fan made Dev's pick up the pieces and fix it.
Totally agree friend. I’ve seen much of Vulkk and I can’t help but wonder why the devs haven’t picked his brain yet. We still call Vulkk the godfather of SWTOR.
The recent main stories feeling like side quests is really getting old. The only reason why anyone should care about the Mando story is because of the holocron. Take that out and it becomes irrelevant.
So, why have us do "daily quests" as part of the main quest to help slaves who just so happen to be rebelling at the same time to create problems for us? If you can't make a story that is long enough to be worthy of an expansion, just give us what you have, don't drag it out.
And don't even get me started on Shae freeing Malgus. At the end of this chapter we have the holocron, the enemy flagship is destroyed, we basically won. All we need to do is get a fleet to wipe out the rest, right? Nope, they chose to use Malgus again and again because they can't come up with a compelling story without him, and with the timeline being kind of fucked now, it gets even more complicated.
And what about the Alliance? A rather large third faction that plays Republic and Empire to survive, that likely has spies on both sides, where you can send people or ships on missions to help one side and attack or sabotage the other... Nope, they don't do anything with it, even though most companions and major characters in KOTFE and KOTET (including class story companions) are in the Alliance.
And (I may be wrong here) regarding Sahar, they said we could like, mold her into an apprentice based on what we tell her, but she just keeps making poor decisions over and over again no matter what I tell her, and saving her brother at the end (who should be and deserves to be dead by now) was just dumb, like she didn't learn that he's no longer worth saving. I thought we would get her as a companion after this story was over, but we were denied. Speaking with the story, they could do so much now that we've dismantled the Hidden Chain and Heta Kol is either dead on the ship or soon to be arrested. But they choose to NOT show Heta Kol's fate or her reaction to her ship being blown up. And they have Shae create a whole new problem even though she has little to no reason to because she's apparently a loose cannon with no intelligence whatsoever now.
This is like some Disney-level writing here, from the same game that gave us these great class stories and the Eternal Empire storyline.
Standing Stone Games (LOTRO) has been censoring negative feedback as well :(
Really? Ah man that sucks to hear :( I played LOTRO back when it launched, I have fond memories.
´The game died when Broadsword took over. There will never ever ever be new content but CM items! They have no devs!
Speculation but like you say if they don't say we don't know- the lack of of main character voice acting seemed so disrespectful like they wanted to save money.
The cutscene at the end and being able to defy krovos etc I loved but the final 5 minutes of an update shouldn't be the only good part. The dynamic between Sahar and her brother really was such a waste of time. We want to see our badass main characters in cutscenes doing mad shit. Our main character exhibiting the extended force powers or abilities as per their class within cutscenes. And especially......fox the clipping of anything that flaps on outfits 🤣 this mandalorian storyline has been so incredibly tedious. I thought onslaught was amazing and then it turned to shit everywhere since. Being back on the dark councip and being referred to by my sith name is what I live for
Totally agree. The entire update could have been fun and exciting, not just the last few minutes.
they call it legacy of the sith but it feels like the mando show 24/7
Bring back the old character creation screen
I think overtuning flashpoints and giving us Nightmare Mode Flashpoints with proper incentives would be the way forward for pve group content. There just isn't enough interest in nightmare raiding anymore.
I Love this analysis
Jackie and the devs are incompetent at this point, it would be best for the majority of them to just buzz off and have new people work on it.
I personally care more about story but man oh man this sounds so disappointing.
Dropping story quality is one of the reasons why I cancelled my subscription & that was many years ago.
A oh look another daily area or side quest isn't progression it is just busy work for the players & lazy from the developers.
Your funny dude. It's all sad but true.
2 words SWTOR ... Classic
Is apathy also continuing to play and pay for an apathetic game? Players exert influence by what they choose to pay for and give their time to.
No. You find value in a game yourself. If it’s good, you enjoy it. This MMO has enjoyable content. Especially from previous expansions. My thoughts, opinions and any video I make is based on the state of the game at present.
Any new player could start today and have a great time for weeks. The Apathy starts and ends with the newest dev team since 5.x
The day EA made the announcement that they selling the game to Broadsword the game "officially" died look at the other games they got all of them are old games that are not relevant anymore
You deserve Keith's job
I’d fire everyone.
@@SWCentral good. That's what needs to happen
The lack of voice acting sucked, it actually killed it for me, then the story was so damn short.
2 years have passed, and the dlc is still incomplete. FF14 releases a WHOLE expansion in 2 years. Of course, I know the game is much bigger than SWTOR today, but geez..2 years for a dlc in half...
The Commander: I'm sorry but, really? Him? THAT'S the final boss? I swear to The Force my first tutorial mini-boss could probably kill him.
During my play through I made Sa’har fight Ri’kan and he bodies her in 10 seconds while I watch 😂