Pretty neat find, Bill! Strangely enough, that drop-down CD drive almost reminds me of the time when I discovered how the cupholder works in an old Saab. Open!!...Close!! Open!!...Close!! It's just a cup holder... but OMG ITZ SOOO KOOL THO!!! Hahaha
We had a meeting room that doubled as an IT training room. These were kept in a cupboard and were quickly set up whenever needed. Loved them. Very neat. Got two in my loft.
Nothing more nostalgic than the Windows 2000 startup sound. I grew up on XP which to this day is still nostalgic for me. But my first computer was a Bluelight Special my family got from Kmart when I was still an infant (would’ve been late 2000- early 2001), preinstalled with Windows 98. They gave it to me to have something to learn on when I was maybe 3-5 years old. One of the first things I somehow managed to do was update the OS to Windows 2000. After maybe a years worth of service, a power surge from a transformer fried the Celeron processor in it among other appliances we had. They got me a new PC, it was Dell Dimensions (can’t remember the exact model), running on a Core 2 Duo which at the time was blazing fast compared to the Celeron and Pentium CPUS and came preinstalled with Windows XP. Compared to today’s technology when it comes to computers, those PCs were about as slow as a grandma on a Sunday drive. But for the time, they was quite good, and for guys like me who were born in that era, it’s still very nostalgic and kinda saddening to see the breed of old PC’s dying out and being cast out on curbsides. Emulators may not be the best but I’ve used one on my current PC to run 2000 and XP and run the legacy softwares they supported.
Looks like a fun computer for a retro LAN party. 90s PC games should run on that fine, and it's much easier to drag an AIO PC around than a separate monitor and PC. I have seen AIO Pentium 4 computers at my local thrift before, but they asked a little too much for me to be interested enough to pick it up. Still fun to see.
Wow, thanks for bringing back some old, but good, memories. This was my workhorse for many years at a previous employer. Even for the time it was not very powerful but quite capable, and out of the box it had some nice features. The screen and the speakers are the best part, and I remember other people looking rather enviously at me while they were still on their huge CRT monitors.
I have this very computer as well. I bought it on ebay years ago to put MAME on it. Very solidly built and still runs XP. Going to up grade it's memory with another 512 PC-133 module. Should make it run much quicker. :) With the most recent ATI GPU drivers, it still runs Quake 3 like a champ.
Castaa I would suggest trying something from the likes of UT2003. Quake 3 is easy to run, my old pc used to run it really smoothly, and I had a meagre FX 5200 to work with.
Back in the day.... I ordered some of these when I was working at University of Illinois Chicago. They were definitely interesting. Our department head used it on his desk. This video sure brings back memories!
Oh that is an awesome find!! Thanks for sharing this. Really unique design really and very IBM. Looks like a solid win2k system too! I would have been very happy with that system back in the day, especially since it has PCI too. Glad to see it's in good hands now and not trashed.
@uxwbill this same exact thing happened to me. I went to my local goodwill and noticed an iMac G3... which was labelled as a television...which even though it was in the original (!) box, they still did not catch on that this was in fact, a computer.
I always get excited when I see a computer-related uxwbill video in my subscriptions box...I do like your other videos, it's just I like computer-related ones the most. Also, hamfest 2015?
I love small all-in-one computers. I have different computers throughout my home that do different tasks and an all in one placed in a central locations is perfect to use as a Remote Desktop Client. I'm actually using one of the small blue iMacs to connect remotely to windows PCs and it works just as well as a PC using a free piece of software from Microsoft.
I love how that dvd rom drive opens so slowly and dramatic. I have always wanted one of these all in one point of sale machines and I really hope one turns out at my local recycling centre some day!
Yeah, at a shop near where I live they got one of these or at least simular model that has a cash drawer attached, it's quite a interesting little system as I get to have a play with it when they have problems with it.
+worldgate989 +youtubasoarus While you could use this one as a POS, it wouldn't interface with any of the IBM equipment. For that you'd have to go with one of their SurePOS units which had the odd 12\24V USB, odd proprietary connectors, liquid proofing, etc. An example of one I own is this: imgur.com/a/6lCmg
speaking of computers at goodwill, i went to a goodwill one day and i actually saw a compaq presario either SFF or desktop machine, and i believe it got there because it had very boombox looking speakers on the front, it was 8 dollars, but sadly, i had forgotten my wallet, and also i was exercising that day, i took a bike
That is a really nice find! Allthough i'm not collecting computers, i wouldn't pass on that for that kind of money! Looks to be in very good shape too, cool!
+BBC600 It ought to work perfectly well for playing a movie. Higher end Pentium III processors could perform DVD video decoding in software easily, so it should be nothing for a Pentium 4.
that's what I call a score! bravo! I have been striking out at used shops and even my PCs lately... Sellers at amazon need to learn to package and label processors better! PS/2! PS/2! PS/2! the crowd goes wild! I still love em!
I used too work for ELO Touchscreens in Rochester, NY and serviced a few of those. The Unknown PCI device is an ELO touch driver board. We made many sub assemblies for major companies products. I Have a Netvista 6274-12U I dragged out of a closet for a little tinker time.
If this in fact has a touch screen, that would be very interesting and useful. I'm surprised it'd be implemented as a PCI expansion device, rather than USB or serial.
@@uxwbill I think it does use serial for input. Currently setting up an emubox with mine, batocera hopefully if not I always have other linux distro and old school dos but dos comes with driver issues
Speaking of the HDD (Hard Disk Drive), I've seen some certain hard drives had a similar brand names like IBM, Hitachi, and Toshiba had used the type of the hard drive like desktop known as "Deskstar," and the Laptop HDD known as "Travelstar," I just happen to curious why that the hard drive are related to the brand name that are look the same but the logo are different and the model on the case are look quite either are the same or different. On this Built-in IBM Computer, where was it made? And have you heard that Dell had also made a Built-in computer two that they called, Dell Inspiron One?
+Bluethunderboom Hitachi bought the Deskstar hard drive line from IBM. After that things are less clear. Western Digital bought Hitachi's hard disk division and still sells hard drives under the Hitachi name. And yet Toshiba seems to have ended up with the actual tooling and manufacturing plants for the Deskstar/Travelstar drives.
When I interned at the local newspaper office, the manager placed this old (from around 2003 or so) IBM ThinkCenter on my desk. That thing was slower than molasses in the dead of winter - it took it 10 minutes to boot into Windows, around 15 minutes to load Notepad. I tried opening Internet Explorer and Firefox, but neither would open. Thankfully they upgraded me from that thing to a first-gen MacMini running 10.5 or something around their. That PowerPC G4-based MacMini was so much faster than that IBM.
My first os was 95 before I upgraded to 98 when I was 8 years old. I ended up with 2k when I was 12 and I loved it since then and I still do. Now I use 7 and 2008 server but I still go back to 2000 on a spare PC to relive the fun memories :)
Holy cow! That thing is awesome!! Finally. An all in one system that I actually want to own. As if I didn't already have enough that I wanted to buy off of eBay! :P I'm pretty sure I've seen those used as POS machines in a department store here. The ones I saw were running Windows 7, no less! I actually like the look of the big bezel. The glossy expansion cover on the back is a typical design quirk from IBM at the time. The older ThinkPad models from around 2001-2004 used a glossy black trim piece for the power and volume control buttons. I think it looks nice. Helps to break up the matte black, or midnight blue-ish. Whatever colour of plastic it happens to be. I find your idea about possibly contacting a TV production company to obtain a prop very interesting. I've always wondered how long they keep stuff they use on TV. I figure they must have a cache of it for period production and whatnot. The optical drive lowering thing is just bitchin'. It's like something you'd see on MTV Cribs in slow motion, constantly repeated for a few seconds, lol. On the other hand, props can end up on eBay! forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=119557
+MrMaguire Even though it is "only" an early Pentium 4, I thought it was interesting enough to pick up and ultimately explore. Windows 7 is probably doable, though I'd envision it to be on the outer limits of what hardware like this would be capable of running well. (Maximum RAM is probably 1GB if memory serves.) Some of the various television studios have massive warehouses of props. I've seen pictures of the Warner Brothers and Universal Studios props storage areas, and they are amazing. (I don't remember seeing any computers in the pictures, however.) Universal in particular seemingly still has the original desk that was used in The Rockford Files.
It's interesting that you brought up TV prop computers because it just happens to be that a ThinkPad laptop that may have been used on an episode of the series "Chuck" sold on eBay not long ago. It was posted up on the ThinkPads community forums because it had white Windows flags where the ThinkPad emblem should have been (as had been seen on some TV shows as a Microsoft promotional from around 2010, give or take a couple years) and because it was confirmed to be the same model featured on the show. This so intrigued one member that he actually bought it and shared some higher resolution pictures of it. The computer ended up being a Colorware custom design, and while anyone could have theoretically had his or her ThinkPad customized that way by Colorware, the only people who would have logical reason to do so would be the production company. While the trail runs cold at this point, there is still speculation as to whether or not it was the actual laptop used on the show.
In my RM Ascend (much newer 775 P4 @ 3.4Ghz) I had something similar with the monitor. What appeared to be happening was that there was some kind of VGA inverter board in the case along with 2 speakers. This would offer a video connection to the monitor in some weird propriety format and convert whatever the speakers used to attach to a volume control on the front panel.
hi nice netvista x41 this :) but i don,t understand from netvista x41 only 1.6ghz p4 cpu treatment and not upgraded and vga upgrade solution this? my coolection only netvista x40i inside with p3 667mhz cpu 512mb sd ram and 40gb hard drive
I would think that the reason why the optical drive drop down mechanism is controllable in software would be so that you can eject the disc by clicking on the drive letter in Windows Explorer. It's possible that when you do that, the drive drops down if it's previously been retracted, then the drawer opens.
Thanks for yet another awesome upload, Bill. Haven't seen one of these AIO NetVistas working in quite some time now. If my memory serves me correctly, the last one I worked on had a power supply built into the base and the ODD release was mechanical instead of electro-mechanical. Since you mentioned it in this video, is there a possibility of a "Fun with Wake-on-LAN" video from you anytime soon? :-)
+foobar I'm glad you enjoyed the video. DD-WRT contains what looks to be support for firing magic packets at dozy computers, but I've never tried it or any other method.
I've got a couple of IBM SurePOS systems that are very much alike this thing. They are, however, much more designed for use in a POS environment due to the lack of a CD-rom drive and non-standard RJ45 serial ports. These have touch screens, and are therefore interesting to use as terminals even today, but due to their lacking processing power they're really just useful for terminal use. The last one is a bit newer than the elder one ('07), but surprisingly still uses ancient hardware for it's time, sporting an Celeron 478 processor. I recently recapped the motherboard as several of the capacitors besides the CPU had failed, and the system seems to run correctly. I also found a very nice IBM POS keyboard with it, which expect for it's significantly small buttons, is a very decent membrane keyboard with relatively good feedback.
There was a tower version of these machines that were around for some time in the early 2000's. They're certainly funny machines and they tend to show a little personality with them.
I've always thought the IBM NetVista systems were kind of cool. I'm still waiting to come across one to have for myself. I remember in one of my schools we had a few kicking around. I had no idea that IBM ever made an all-in-one system. That kind of reminds me that not too long ago I saw an Apple eMac in person for the first time too, there's a vacuum shop in my city where they're still using one as their main system.
Quite interested as to whether the motherboard is a standard 'mid' tower motherboard or is it tailored to fit into this model? Also was shocked when you opened it as i expected laptop ram sockets to save space....
My P4 3.2 HT is Fanless ;) has a massive heat sink on it though. I'll do a video of it soon over on my channel. Did you figure out the software eject yet? I wonder if right-clicking on the drive in My Computer try's to eject the tray pops the drive down first or simply tries to open the tray whilst it is up in the caddy?
This reminds me (since its sorta of a rarity) When I was younger, Toshiba made a desktop PC and it either the monitor or the tower had a built in radio. Do you remember seeing those? UXWBill? I would love to find one again. My friend's dad had it.
that is a POS/POP machine from a supermarket. it used to have a money drawer and/or printer attached to that parralel port. Check if the screen supports touch :)))), it might if all system drivers are installed correctly.
Pretty cool! I've got five of these that were given to me. They were used as POS terminals and they have the ELO touch screens. The PCI slots all have IBM 56k MODEMs installed. Yes, TWO MODEMs per machine! They also have credit card readers that plug into the PS/2 kbd port and have a wedge so the reader and kbd can both be used. I had hoped to use these for dedicated music players but the touch screens generate quite a bit of noise. Too bad! Several years ago I tried upgrading the RAM but they didn't like the memory I had at the time. I've now got several pounds of DIMMs that I will play with. Hopefully, I can get them up to a gig or two and put XPSP3 on and use one as a dedicated machine for running a Willem EPROM programmer. My manuals show a serial port on the main board but they do NOT have the pins installed. I was thinking about soldering wires straight to the board but watching you go through the BIOS, there was no comport setup. :( I have the 22jt37a and 22jy36usa BIOSes and all drivers. I had ideas of using one as a dedicated serial terminal running DOS and Telix. BTW, the power supplies are 12V @ 7A. You could put one in a car!
About 9-10 years ago, my brother had acquired one of those. Worked, but had an intermittent problem w/ the display: a red vertical bar would appear right-of-center. It had been upgraded to XP.
That's a cool find! I was wondering what kind of computer that was! Also those are hard to find even on ebay! I am looking for cheap touch screens to just have as a collectable! Know any good web sites that sell old cash registers or computers! Thanks again for the suggestion on the mac computers as well!
what I would like to request ( because I am new to this and dont know the proper way how to do it.) is a question , have you made any progress with the white buick, because after you made the more farm cars adventures video of you, bizzarefurhead and the keykeeper trying to see if it will crank I didnt see an update video so I would just like to know.
At a glance, those short purple capacitors look like Sanyo Os-Con polymers. IBM would be the type to use those, especially back then, and certainly a small form factor chassis with a P4 inside would be a good application for them. Those caps are expensive but practically bulletproof. I'm kind of amazed this thing still works. I would have expected the heat in such a small case, the high level of integration, and it's dependence on a very old LCD panel would have ensured it's death by now. I think that may also be the time frame when IBM Deskstar hard drives developed a bad reputation, but this one has kept working. Seems it's only life threatening "failure" was dependence on a nonstandard PSU, but you were able to resolve that. Those were the early days of desktop LCD monitors, so I think the size of the bezel is typical for the time. I don't think the spec for Express video card power connectors was written yet, but if this happens to have the same pinout it would be an interesting coincidence. I've seen a similar connector on an old cable modem and a Cisco router. The Cisco feeds both 12V and 5V through it, not sure what the modem does.
+yorgle11 I think you're right about the capacitors. Rather surprisingly, maybe even miraculously, this system really doesn't get all that hot in operation. I've had nothing but very good service from all my early 2000s LCD panels, most of which are quite overbuilt compared to what's on the market today. Even most of my 1990s laptops still have excellent displays with good backlighting. Even if not intentional, and I'm sure by virtue of the reason you point out that it wasn't, the pinout is standard PCI Express. What I wasn't sure of at the time was whether or not this thing ran from a single voltage. Color coding of the wiring tended to suggest that it did, but that's not always gospel and I'd have hated to burn it out.
The Goodwill here only sells clothing and TV sets and the TV sets are old CRT sets marked way up high because they think they are worth it as part of the whole old TV / radio restoration thing. a 1998 name branded Funi CRT TV DOES NOT classify as an antique tv set as that label it.. They will accept computers for donation but they have a computer guy in store who cleans them up and sells them on ebay for a 200% mark-up. The whole thing is a scam when it come to electronics here. Now I remember getting a pallet of these IBM Netvista machines from the state auction for $50 with all the cords, input devices, OEM disks, manuals, etc. back in 2009. I sold them all off for $50 each, so needless to say I made my money back on them.. What you can try is putting a new intel core i3 ir AMD AM3+ cpu on a micro-atx board in that case and a bigger hard drive and a low profile video card and make some sort of lan party type low tier gaming rig out of it.
where do you find drivers for this computer? I have a IBM NetVista 8305-2EG and I cant find working drivers for xp or 2000. great video as always very interesting
thanks Bill was great I have simular mother boards but not like yours and I actually followed all what you did except when you went in and cracked the password very good thanks
If you don't mind, could I get those IBM icons and desktop backgrounds? Oh, and if it's not too much to ask would you mind also telling me what the specialized IBM programs actually do and if they'd work on a non-IBM system? P.S. Did you ever find out if they had the BIOS update?
+AIO inc. Perhaps at some point, yes. I have little intention of ever running the IBM supplied software (other than maybe the restoration software) and no plan to try it on a computer for which it was not intended. No word on a BIOS update yet, I haven't bothered to look.
I have the exact same computer, except I was forced to reload windows on it because the previous owner had put viruses on theirs. Now mine boots without it's 32 bit color support, or it's audio. Mind sharing some of those drivers?
You may as well get the latest and greatest drivers straight from AMD: support.amd.com/en-us/download/archive/legacy-2k I don't recall who made this computer's audio hardware, but if they are still in business you could try looking for generic/reference drivers there. Or it might be floating around in one of the mirrors of the IBM PCCBBS.
Would it be right to say that the NetVista PCs replaced IBM's PS/2 line, or did the ThinkCentre PCs replace the PS/2s? You can tell by that question that I'm not really that familiar with IBMs product line and evolution.
I had one of these, slapped a Zotac GT 610 (PCI Version) in this and 4GB DDR 2x2 DIMM sticks. I should donate it to Druaga1 so he can put an SSD in and install ReactOS on it...
I'd guess that this computer was pretty expensive brand new, given some of the expandability capabilities given, and the ports, the quality of the display for 2002 is really good in my opinion even over the camera. This is actually a decent all in one, i wouldn't want a modern one though.
I don't think you should be surprised. To a layman, they would think that's just a big fat monitor. Someone who's more discerning or is experienced with computers would otherwise know just by glancing at it. I don't think Goodwill emplyees are too bothered with the details.
One of my customers had one of those. It was a P3 running windows 98. It was a nice idea but I guess it didn't take hold. Maybe it was ahead of its' time.
+thejakeman ' They're power hungry, hot running and fell so short of Intel's expectations that they went back to the Pentium M (itself based on the Pentium III) as the basis for the Core, Core 2 and i3/i5/i7 family microprocessors.
When are you gonna make that video about setting up a PXE boot server? I repaired computers over the summer as my job and this would be VERY useful to me (I can't find instructions on how to set up ERPXE anywhere). Thanks for the video anyway Uxwbill, hope you have a good x-mas.
+Dylan 873 It'll take a lot of prep work, a lot of which comes in the form of clearing off my workbench in the back room. I'm not sure. I hope to do it sometime in the near future.
+Dylan 873 ERPXE's Wiki has some decent instructions -- at least they worked for me. The only "gotcha" I remember having to deal with is that of what packages to install. I thought that the SELinux stuff was necessary, but it isn't. A vanilla Debian installation works fine as a basis, although you can use any distro that you'd like with some adjustment. I used the Debian Stable branch on a Dell Dimension B110.
I was caught by the idea of buying one of these and building my own components into it. I already have modified cases to fit a standardised motherboard into OEM-PCs, that wouldn't be a problem. Did you figure out the display interface? Is is something standard like VGA?
+AlmightyMaria PvB I don't think you'll find one. As best I can tell, they really aren't terribly common. I haven't looked into the display interface and I don't have any immediate plan to do so.
Since this machine uses socket 478, the socket itself supports a lot of processors, the most powerful being an Intel Core 2 Extreme X7900. Would this computer run that chip or would there be some incompatibilities in software or firmware?
+Luke Butler No Core or Core 2 Duo series microprocessor ever supported Socket 478. And not all Socket 478 systems support all Socket 478 CPUs. This system won't support S478 chips with an 800 MHz front side bus speed. Even 533 MHz seems iffy considering its age.
I can't really explain it, but I just love this video in particular. I can watch it over, and over, and over again all day and never get tired of it.
Pretty neat find, Bill! Strangely enough, that drop-down CD drive almost reminds me of the time when I discovered how the cupholder works in an old Saab.
Open!!...Close!!
Open!!...Close!!
It's just a cup holder... but OMG ITZ SOOO KOOL THO!!!
Hahaha
+peculiarmadman It's nice to know I'm not alone in terms of being easily amused. :-P
I really like the lengths you go to to get information, or customer service, and even the lengths you think about going to LOL. Thats dedication!
We had a meeting room that doubled as an IT training room. These were kept in a cupboard and were quickly set up whenever needed. Loved them. Very neat. Got two in my loft.
Thanks for your review of this PC. At moments like these I wish, I would have a bigger apartement to collect those old computers.
Nothing more nostalgic than the Windows 2000 startup sound. I grew up on XP which to this day is still nostalgic for me. But my first computer was a Bluelight Special my family got from Kmart when I was still an infant (would’ve been late 2000- early 2001), preinstalled with Windows 98. They gave it to me to have something to learn on when I was maybe 3-5 years old. One of the first things I somehow managed to do was update the OS to Windows 2000. After maybe a years worth of service, a power surge from a transformer fried the Celeron processor in it among other appliances we had. They got me a new PC, it was Dell Dimensions (can’t remember the exact model), running on a Core 2 Duo which at the time was blazing fast compared to the Celeron and Pentium CPUS and came preinstalled with Windows XP. Compared to today’s technology when it comes to computers, those PCs were about as slow as a grandma on a Sunday drive. But for the time, they was quite good, and for guys like me who were born in that era, it’s still very nostalgic and kinda saddening to see the breed of old PC’s dying out and being cast out on curbsides. Emulators may not be the best but I’ve used one on my current PC to run 2000 and XP and run the legacy softwares they supported.
It's a lovely little all-in-one in a classic IBM industrial design. Thanks for the video.
Looks like a fun computer for a retro LAN party. 90s PC games should run on that fine, and it's much easier to drag an AIO PC around than a separate monitor and PC. I have seen AIO Pentium 4 computers at my local thrift before, but they asked a little too much for me to be interested enough to pick it up. Still fun to see.
+Daniël's Tech & Music Channel Best part is a PCI slot, pop a GPU in there and it'd be great.
That is a really neat find. Would make a perfect kitchen machine to look up recipes. Wait you are in the kitchen. Off to a good start already.
Bill, you are creating a very important historical record of these older machines. I really enjoy these videos. Thanks for your dedication.
Wow, thanks for bringing back some old, but good, memories. This was my workhorse for many years at a previous employer. Even for the time it was not very powerful but quite capable, and out of the box it had some nice features. The screen and the speakers are the best part, and I remember other people looking rather enviously at me while they were still on their huge CRT monitors.
I have this very computer as well. I bought it on ebay years ago to put MAME on it. Very solidly built and still runs XP. Going to up grade it's memory with another 512 PC-133 module. Should make it run much quicker. :)
With the most recent ATI GPU drivers, it still runs Quake 3 like a champ.
Castaa I would suggest trying something from the likes of UT2003. Quake 3 is easy to run, my old pc used to run it really smoothly, and I had a meagre FX 5200 to work with.
Back in the day.... I ordered some of these when I was working at University of Illinois Chicago. They were definitely interesting. Our department head used it on his desk. This video sure brings back memories!
Glad we can classify this one under the real computer category, hence the LPT1 and PS/2 ports. :)
Oh that is an awesome find!! Thanks for sharing this. Really unique design really and very IBM. Looks like a solid win2k system too! I would have been very happy with that system back in the day, especially since it has PCI too. Glad to see it's in good hands now and not trashed.
@uxwbill this same exact thing happened to me. I went to my local goodwill and noticed an iMac G3... which was labelled as a television...which even though it was in the original (!) box, they still did not catch on that this was in fact, a computer.
+AlanD996 That is the most awesome Goodwill related story I've heard in a long time! Or maybe ever. Great stuff!
I always get excited when I see a computer-related uxwbill video in my subscriptions box...I do like your other videos, it's just I like computer-related ones the most.
Also, hamfest 2015?
Nice Find...Love all the I am sorry to say vintage computer equipment.
I love small all-in-one computers. I have different computers throughout my home that do different tasks and an all in one placed in a central locations is perfect to use as a Remote Desktop Client. I'm actually using one of the small blue iMacs to connect remotely to windows PCs and it works just as well as a PC using a free piece of software from Microsoft.
I love how that dvd rom drive opens so slowly and dramatic. I have always wanted one of these all in one point of sale machines and I really hope one turns out at my local recycling centre some day!
great find, luckey that you found all the parts. now you have a fully working all in one pc.
" uxwbill tells a story " , that should a series on it's own. :P
Those things usually get used as POS.
+worldgate989 My first thought as well. PoS device or Kiosk. Many have a cash drawer and receipt printer attachment.
Yeah, at a shop near where I live they got one of these or at least simular model that has a cash drawer attached, it's quite a interesting little system as I get to have a play with it when they have problems with it.
***** Probably under it yea.
+worldgate989 +youtubasoarus While you could use this one as a POS, it wouldn't interface with any of the IBM equipment. For that you'd have to go with one of their SurePOS units which had the odd 12\24V USB, odd proprietary connectors, liquid proofing, etc. An example of one I own is this: imgur.com/a/6lCmg
Wow did they really put corsair ram in those?
Hello uxwbill. I'm curious, what linux distro did you use on your pxe network at 22:12? Is it some rescue disk or something similar to Trinity?
+Andrew Gong ERPXE can boot into several different systems, including Windows, DOS, Linux and more. The server itself is built upon Debian Linux.
speaking of computers at goodwill, i went to a goodwill one day and i actually saw a compaq presario either SFF or desktop machine, and i believe it got there because it had very boombox looking speakers on the front, it was 8 dollars, but sadly, i had forgotten my wallet, and also i was exercising that day, i took a bike
Actually today, I saw a old netvista used to run a flight simulator.
Someone is a Dave Jones (EEVBlog) fan I presume. The computer is a pretty compact and nice design. Thanks for sharing.
+noelj62 No, I don't follow his videos. The saying "Bob's Your Uncle" is actually pretty common. I knew of and used it long before RUclips.
That is a really nice find! Allthough i'm not collecting computers, i wouldn't pass on that for that kind of money!
Looks to be in very good shape too, cool!
A DVD Drive! How well would it play a movie?
+BBC600 It ought to work perfectly well for playing a movie. Higher end Pentium III processors could perform DVD video decoding in software easily, so it should be nothing for a Pentium 4.
that's what I call a score! bravo! I have been striking out at used shops and even my PCs lately... Sellers at amazon need to learn to package and label processors better! PS/2! PS/2! PS/2! the crowd goes wild! I still love em!
I used too work for ELO Touchscreens in Rochester, NY and serviced a few of those. The Unknown PCI device is an ELO touch driver board. We made many sub assemblies for major companies products. I Have a Netvista 6274-12U I dragged out of a closet for a little tinker time.
If this in fact has a touch screen, that would be very interesting and useful. I'm surprised it'd be implemented as a PCI expansion device, rather than USB or serial.
@@uxwbill I think it does use serial for input. Currently setting up an emubox with mine, batocera hopefully if not I always have other linux distro and old school dos but dos comes with driver issues
Speaking of the HDD (Hard Disk Drive), I've seen some certain hard drives had a similar brand names like IBM, Hitachi, and Toshiba had used the type of the hard drive like desktop known as "Deskstar," and the Laptop HDD known as "Travelstar," I just happen to curious why that the hard drive are related to the brand name that are look the same but the logo are different and the model on the case are look quite either are the same or different.
On this Built-in IBM Computer, where was it made?
And have you heard that Dell had also made a Built-in computer two that they called, Dell Inspiron One?
+Bluethunderboom Hitachi bought the Deskstar hard drive line from IBM. After that things are less clear. Western Digital bought Hitachi's hard disk division and still sells hard drives under the Hitachi name. And yet Toshiba seems to have ended up with the actual tooling and manufacturing plants for the Deskstar/Travelstar drives.
Awesome videos man I have worked on computer's for over 20 years.
When I interned at the local newspaper office, the manager placed this old (from around 2003 or so) IBM ThinkCenter on my desk. That thing was slower than molasses in the dead of winter - it took it 10 minutes to boot into Windows, around 15 minutes to load Notepad. I tried opening Internet Explorer and Firefox, but neither would open. Thankfully they upgraded me from that thing to a first-gen MacMini running 10.5 or something around their. That PowerPC G4-based MacMini was so much faster than that IBM.
Gotta love these awesome long videos!
awesome video and for my bday cant be better than this hahah keep up the good work :)
That power supply would even make the Colecovision blush.
I love the sounds of that model m keyboard you used with the computer
My first os was 95 before I upgraded to 98 when I was 8 years old. I ended up with 2k when I was 12 and I loved it since then and I still do. Now I use 7 and 2008 server but I still go back to 2000 on a spare PC to relive the fun memories :)
IBM predicted Windows vista!
A Pentium 4? I'd scream and run away from it! But wow, do you get around great with just a keyboard, I'm impressed!
Yeah, we're gonna need a 10-hour loop of Bill pushing up and lowering the CD drive ASAP.
Interesting, I didn't know they made all in one machines back then, Learn something every day lol
Make more computer videos.. these are a joy to watch for any geek!!!
Holy cow! That thing is awesome!! Finally. An all in one system that I actually want to own. As if I didn't already have enough that I wanted to buy off of eBay! :P
I'm pretty sure I've seen those used as POS machines in a department store here. The ones I saw were running Windows 7, no less! I actually like the look of the big bezel. The glossy expansion cover on the back is a typical design quirk from IBM at the time. The older ThinkPad models from around 2001-2004 used a glossy black trim piece for the power and volume control buttons. I think it looks nice. Helps to break up the matte black, or midnight blue-ish. Whatever colour of plastic it happens to be.
I find your idea about possibly contacting a TV production company to obtain a prop very interesting. I've always wondered how long they keep stuff they use on TV. I figure they must have a cache of it for period production and whatnot.
The optical drive lowering thing is just bitchin'. It's like something you'd see on MTV Cribs in slow motion, constantly repeated for a few seconds, lol.
On the other hand, props can end up on eBay! forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=119557
+MrMaguire Even though it is "only" an early Pentium 4, I thought it was interesting enough to pick up and ultimately explore. Windows 7 is probably doable, though I'd envision it to be on the outer limits of what hardware like this would be capable of running well. (Maximum RAM is probably 1GB if memory serves.)
Some of the various television studios have massive warehouses of props. I've seen pictures of the Warner Brothers and Universal Studios props storage areas, and they are amazing. (I don't remember seeing any computers in the pictures, however.) Universal in particular seemingly still has the original desk that was used in The Rockford Files.
It's interesting that you brought up TV prop computers because it just happens to be that a ThinkPad laptop that may have been used on an episode of the series "Chuck" sold on eBay not long ago. It was posted up on the ThinkPads community forums because it had white Windows flags where the ThinkPad emblem should have been (as had been seen on some TV shows as a Microsoft promotional from around 2010, give or take a couple years) and because it was confirmed to be the same model featured on the show. This so intrigued one member that he actually bought it and shared some higher resolution pictures of it. The computer ended up being a Colorware custom design, and while anyone could have theoretically had his or her ThinkPad customized that way by Colorware, the only people who would have logical reason to do so would be the production company. While the trail runs cold at this point, there is still speculation as to whether or not it was the actual laptop used on the show.
In my RM Ascend (much newer 775 P4 @ 3.4Ghz) I had something similar with the monitor. What appeared to be happening was that there was some kind of VGA inverter board in the case along with 2 speakers. This would offer a video connection to the monitor in some weird propriety format and convert whatever the speakers used to attach to a volume control on the front panel.
hi nice netvista x41 this :) but i don,t understand from netvista x41 only 1.6ghz p4 cpu treatment and not upgraded and vga upgrade solution this? my coolection only netvista x40i inside with p3 667mhz cpu 512mb sd ram and 40gb hard drive
I would think that the reason why the optical drive drop down mechanism is controllable in software would be so that you can eject the disc by clicking on the drive letter in Windows Explorer. It's possible that when you do that, the drive drops down if it's previously been retracted, then the drawer opens.
That was my thought as well.
Thanks for yet another awesome upload, Bill. Haven't seen one of these AIO NetVistas working in quite some time now. If my memory serves me correctly, the last one I worked on had a power supply built into the base and the ODD release was mechanical instead of electro-mechanical. Since you mentioned it in this video, is there a possibility of a "Fun with Wake-on-LAN" video from you anytime soon? :-)
+foobar I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
DD-WRT contains what looks to be support for firing magic packets at dozy computers, but I've never tried it or any other method.
I've got a couple of IBM SurePOS systems that are very much alike this thing. They are, however, much more designed for use in a POS environment due to the lack of a CD-rom drive and non-standard RJ45 serial ports. These have touch screens, and are therefore interesting to use as terminals even today, but due to their lacking processing power they're really just useful for terminal use. The last one is a bit newer than the elder one ('07), but surprisingly still uses ancient hardware for it's time, sporting an Celeron 478 processor. I recently recapped the motherboard as several of the capacitors besides the CPU had failed, and the system seems to run correctly. I also found a very nice IBM POS keyboard with it, which expect for it's significantly small buttons, is a very decent membrane keyboard with relatively good feedback.
Another outstanding video, Thanks!
There was a tower version of these machines that were around for some time in the early 2000's.
They're certainly funny machines and they tend to show a little personality with them.
I've always thought the IBM NetVista systems were kind of cool. I'm still waiting to come across one to have for myself. I remember in one of my schools we had a few kicking around. I had no idea that IBM ever made an all-in-one system. That kind of reminds me that not too long ago I saw an Apple eMac in person for the first time too, there's a vacuum shop in my city where they're still using one as their main system.
Focusing is the sole reason I love using a DSLR. It’s pretty fast, or I could do it manually easy.
Quite interested as to whether the motherboard is a standard 'mid' tower motherboard or is it tailored to fit into this model? Also was shocked when you opened it as i expected laptop ram sockets to save space....
Nice find especially from Goodwill!
My P4 3.2 HT is Fanless ;) has a massive heat sink on it though. I'll do a video of it soon over on my channel. Did you figure out the software eject yet? I wonder if right-clicking on the drive in My Computer try's to eject the tray pops the drive down first or simply tries to open the tray whilst it is up in the caddy?
Could you verify your theory about this panel ? How is it connected to the motherboard ? I'm interested. Anyway good video !
This reminds me (since its sorta of a rarity) When I was younger, Toshiba made a desktop PC and it either the monitor or the tower had a built in radio. Do you remember seeing those? UXWBill? I would love to find one again. My friend's dad had it.
that is a POS/POP machine from a supermarket. it used to have a money drawer and/or printer attached to that parralel port. Check if the screen supports touch :)))), it might if all system drivers are installed correctly.
Pretty cool! I've got five of these that were given to me. They were used as POS terminals and they have the ELO touch screens. The PCI slots all have IBM 56k MODEMs installed. Yes, TWO MODEMs per machine! They also have credit card readers that plug into the PS/2 kbd port and have a wedge so the reader and kbd can both be used. I had hoped to use these for dedicated music players but the touch screens generate quite a bit of noise. Too bad!
Several years ago I tried upgrading the RAM but they didn't like the memory I had at the time. I've now got several pounds of DIMMs that I will play with. Hopefully, I can get them up to a gig or two and put XPSP3 on and use one as a dedicated machine for running a Willem EPROM programmer.
My manuals show a serial port on the main board but they do NOT have the pins installed. I was thinking about soldering wires straight to the board but watching you go through the BIOS, there was no comport setup. :(
I have the 22jt37a and 22jy36usa BIOSes and all drivers.
I had ideas of using one as a dedicated serial terminal running DOS and Telix.
BTW, the power supplies are 12V @ 7A. You could put one in a car!
I love that keyboard! Is it a Model M?
+Jack Durrant Looks to be so
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Jack Durrant yup
About 9-10 years ago, my brother had acquired one of those. Worked, but had an intermittent problem w/ the display: a red vertical bar would appear right-of-center. It had been upgraded to XP.
Bill, can I replace the pentium 4 with a dual core. Both have a 775. Thank you.
No. Even if you could, there's little point to doing so.
That's a cool find! I was wondering what kind of computer that was! Also those are hard to find even on ebay! I am looking for cheap touch screens to just have as a collectable! Know any good web sites that sell old cash registers or computers! Thanks again for the suggestion on the mac computers as well!
I wonder what kind of keyboard and mouse this computer came with. Do you think IBM would have shipped Model M keyboards to match this computer?
what I would like to request ( because I am new to this and dont know the proper way how to do it.) is a question , have you made any progress with the white buick, because after you made the more farm cars adventures video of you, bizzarefurhead and the keykeeper trying to see if it will crank I didnt see an update video so I would just like to know.
+isaac roberts The white Buick is long gone. I don't have any farm cars right now.
i remember seeing this being reviewed in a PC mag in 1999
You find the coolest stuff!
Seems like a good candidate for the Fortress of Amplitude
Wait a minute! The Rat King - was that annotation to Terry Pratchett's The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents?
At a glance, those short purple capacitors look like Sanyo Os-Con polymers. IBM would be the type to use those, especially back then, and certainly a small form factor chassis with a P4 inside would be a good application for them. Those caps are expensive but practically bulletproof.
I'm kind of amazed this thing still works. I would have expected the heat in such a small case, the high level of integration, and it's dependence on a very old LCD panel would have ensured it's death by now. I think that may also be the time frame when IBM Deskstar hard drives developed a bad reputation, but this one has kept working.
Seems it's only life threatening "failure" was dependence on a nonstandard PSU, but you were able to resolve that.
Those were the early days of desktop LCD monitors, so I think the size of the bezel is typical for the time.
I don't think the spec for Express video card power connectors was written yet, but if this happens to have the same pinout it would be an interesting coincidence.
I've seen a similar connector on an old cable modem and a Cisco router. The Cisco feeds both 12V and 5V through it, not sure what the modem does.
+yorgle11 I think you're right about the capacitors. Rather surprisingly, maybe even miraculously, this system really doesn't get all that hot in operation.
I've had nothing but very good service from all my early 2000s LCD panels, most of which are quite overbuilt compared to what's on the market today. Even most of my 1990s laptops still have excellent displays with good backlighting.
Even if not intentional, and I'm sure by virtue of the reason you point out that it wasn't, the pinout is standard PCI Express. What I wasn't sure of at the time was whether or not this thing ran from a single voltage. Color coding of the wiring tended to suggest that it did, but that's not always gospel and I'd have hated to burn it out.
The Goodwill here only sells clothing and TV sets and the TV sets are old CRT sets marked way up high because they think they are worth it as part of the whole old TV / radio restoration thing. a 1998 name branded Funi CRT TV DOES NOT classify as an antique tv set as that label it..
They will accept computers for donation but they have a computer guy in store who cleans them up and sells them on ebay for a 200% mark-up. The whole thing is a scam when it come to electronics here.
Now I remember getting a pallet of these IBM Netvista machines from the state auction for $50 with all the cords, input devices, OEM disks, manuals, etc. back in 2009. I sold them all off for $50 each, so needless to say I made my money back on them..
What you can try is putting a new intel core i3 ir AMD AM3+ cpu on a micro-atx board in that case and a bigger hard drive and a low profile video card and make some sort of lan party type low tier gaming rig out of it.
That system will fit nicely with your Dell Dimension 2300, although it's retired.
So what actually became of this glorious beast? Is there anything it would be really useful for anymore?
where do you find drivers for this computer? I have a IBM NetVista 8305-2EG and I cant find working drivers for xp or 2000. great video as always very interesting
+alistairstuart2009 I haven't had to find any, but this is new enough that Lenovo *might* still have them. I'll see if I can shake anything loose.
They did well on designing the wind tunnel for the Pentium 4
Nice machine Bill, as usual!
Just wondering, what's your favorite computer that you own and your dream computer?
William, your knowledge of computers is admirable. Have you been schooled on the subject or mainly self taught ?
Almost entirely self taught.
Do you know if there's a BIOS dump floating around somewhere? I'd like to see how they control the CD drop-down in software.
Unless there's a flashable BIOS update available somewhere, I do not.
thanks Bill was great I have simular mother boards but not like yours and I actually followed all what you did except when you went in and cracked the password very good thanks
+Kriss Bartlett He used the old NTPASSWD boot disk. pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
ohh ok I pulled the pin on mine thanks dude
actually thanks I did need that ill use that to thanks very much went to the page you said
Sneaky uxwbill very sneaky.
personally I like true desktop computers.
If you don't mind, could I get those IBM icons and desktop backgrounds?
Oh, and if it's not too much to ask would you mind also telling me what the specialized IBM programs actually do and if they'd work on a non-IBM system?
P.S. Did you ever find out if they had the BIOS update?
+AIO inc. Perhaps at some point, yes.
I have little intention of ever running the IBM supplied software (other than maybe the restoration software) and no plan to try it on a computer for which it was not intended.
No word on a BIOS update yet, I haven't bothered to look.
holy crap that computer is flying threw everything
I have the exact same computer, except I was forced to reload windows on it because the previous owner had put viruses on theirs. Now mine boots without it's 32 bit color support, or it's audio. Mind sharing some of those drivers?
You may as well get the latest and greatest drivers straight from AMD: support.amd.com/en-us/download/archive/legacy-2k
I don't recall who made this computer's audio hardware, but if they are still in business you could try looking for generic/reference drivers there. Or it might be floating around in one of the mirrors of the IBM PCCBBS.
Nice find!
I would try Lubuntu, Puppy, and AntiX on it... just for kicks and giggles.
Would it be right to say that the NetVista PCs replaced IBM's PS/2 line, or did the ThinkCentre PCs replace the PS/2s? You can tell by that question that I'm not really that familiar with IBMs product line and evolution.
The most direct replacement to the PS/2 line was probably the "PC" series computers, such as the IBM PC300.
I'm not familiar with those as far as I know, do you have any examples of such machines? If so, do you think you could make a video about them please?
I had one of these, slapped a Zotac GT 610 (PCI Version) in this and 4GB DDR 2x2 DIMM sticks.
I should donate it to Druaga1 so he can put an SSD in and install ReactOS on it...
Holy crap, my first PC was one of these! With a P3.
I'd guess that this computer was pretty expensive brand new, given some of the expandability capabilities given, and the ports, the quality of the display for 2002 is really good in my opinion even over the camera. This is actually a decent all in one, i wouldn't want a modern one though.
I don't think you should be surprised. To a layman, they would think that's just a big fat monitor. Someone who's more discerning or is experienced with computers would otherwise know just by glancing at it. I don't think Goodwill emplyees are too bothered with the details.
I believe a lot of these were used with cash registers. I also believe some of these actually had touch screens too!
One of my customers had one of those. It was a P3 running windows 98. It was a nice idea but I guess it didn't take hold.
Maybe it was ahead of its' time.
Homer voice: CD goes up, CD goes down. CD goes up, CD goes down...
is there anything wrong with a Pentium 4 or are they just power hungry and hot?
we're they any good?
+thejakeman ' They're power hungry, hot running and fell so short of Intel's expectations that they went back to the Pentium M (itself based on the Pentium III) as the basis for the Core, Core 2 and i3/i5/i7 family microprocessors.
***** ok, so by what you are telling me it sounds like the Pentium 4 wasn't good, is that right?
+thejakeman ' Yes. Core 2 Duo systems are between cheap and free these days, and any of them will run *rings* around a Pentium 4.
***** oh ok lol, my current computer is a Pentium D, gonna be replaced by a core 2 duo soon tho :D
When are you gonna make that video about setting up a PXE boot server? I repaired computers over the summer as my job and this would be VERY useful to me (I can't find instructions on how to set up ERPXE anywhere). Thanks for the video anyway Uxwbill, hope you have a good x-mas.
+Dylan 873 It'll take a lot of prep work, a lot of which comes in the form of clearing off my workbench in the back room. I'm not sure. I hope to do it sometime in the near future.
OK sounds fair (we are all very busy). Can you point me to a tutorial about installing it then?
+Dylan 873 ERPXE's Wiki has some decent instructions -- at least they worked for me. The only "gotcha" I remember having to deal with is that of what packages to install. I thought that the SELinux stuff was necessary, but it isn't.
A vanilla Debian installation works fine as a basis, although you can use any distro that you'd like with some adjustment. I used the Debian Stable branch on a Dell Dimension B110.
I was caught by the idea of buying one of these and building my own components into it. I already have modified cases to fit a standardised motherboard into OEM-PCs, that wouldn't be a problem.
Did you figure out the display interface? Is is something standard like VGA?
+AlmightyMaria PvB I don't think you'll find one. As best I can tell, they really aren't terribly common.
I haven't looked into the display interface and I don't have any immediate plan to do so.
I did find one on eBay here in Germany... But whatever, thanks anyway
Since this machine uses socket 478, the socket itself supports a lot of processors, the most powerful being an Intel Core 2 Extreme X7900. Would this computer run that chip or would there be some incompatibilities in software or firmware?
+Luke Butler No Core or Core 2 Duo series microprocessor ever supported Socket 478. And not all Socket 478 systems support all Socket 478 CPUs. This system won't support S478 chips with an 800 MHz front side bus speed. Even 533 MHz seems iffy considering its age.
+uxwbill I realised I was thinking of Socket P 478 not socket 478 on its own