Hey I just want to leave a little note here for everyone. The cam provided in the kit had to be modified FOR the the 450L. It's a factory Honda CRF450RX camshaft. The bearing shoulders are actually 1mm farther apart then on the stock cam and will not allow you to install the cam cap correctly. I don't believe the issue you were having installing the cam was technically your fault as if the milling is not done correctly it can keep you from getting the bearings in the holder with the rings. The stock cam is also not that *shiny* from Honda, so I know they've done polishing to it as well. I learned this the hard way and had the right side bearing fracture and destroy the head and cam. I have since replaced the head and *milled* camshaft and should have it running again soon. I did not get the kit. I'm doing it with all stock Honda parts (and ECU) and possibly will do a write up of how I did it.
Sorry to hear about your bike, thats a lot of work to have to go through but I really appreciate you sharing that information here for everyone. It still bugs me to this day I could get the holder to line up flush so you had no way of knowing it wasn't lined up right. I should be doing my valves this winter so if I have to shim them I'm going to be really curious to see if it goes together easier or not. If you ever do a write up of your bike let me know as I'd be curious
@@robertlambert7906 I have put 2500 miles on the bike since doing all this. It runs fine. The cam he put in is in fact a modified RX camshaft. Milling is required to make it work.
I was on the fence on doing this camshaft swap but you have convinced me not to do it. I don’t need those kind of headaches for some minor horsepower gains. Thanks for the heads up though.
The only counter I will say is to change shims you have to take the cam out. So most people at some point have to do that. Ironically what I was scared of the most, the head work, went really well
I'm hoping to get enough put aside in June to buy those and break away levers. We a camping trip and driving to the Oregon coast that month as well so like most people theres only so much cash to go around!
I liked the video because of your honesty. Some guys might have "edited out" their mistakes, but it was very helpful to see you go through the process of troubleshooting and eventually fixing it. So does that kit really give the bike 19 more HP? Because that's actually a huge change and I kind of doubt it. Or is that just the name of the kit? 😁 Thank you. 👍 PS: 2 strokes are so much easier to work on, heh.
Ya sometimes its hard to admit, or show, people how wrong you are sometimes but honestly that made the project all the more worthy of sharing with everyone IMO. We all screw stuff up eventually....thankfully it wasn't catastrophic. I've only gotten to really ride it after break in once and only got on it a couple times. Is it more powerful than mine...you bet, does it feel like 19hp, no. But I also didn't run it all the way to the red line and based on the cam profile I really think peak HP is all the way right to the top. He now has 600 miles on it so at some point I do plan on borrowing it from him and doing a follow up on it to really see how it feels all out.
The next time I get time to go out to my dads shop I'll be throwing it on. Shouldn't be too bad now that I know how but its a little confusing if you don't know where things go. I'll try to capture all the steps.
I came across your video. After owing one, I would suggest fitting the kickstand lockout switch bypass(from San Diego) because the chain can rub up against the original cable and short the bike out. Especially since the bike can do 90mph down the highway.
Always appreciated you being around. Hopefully you're getting some riding in! We're getting behind on stuff on this side but hopefully we're out again soon.
I am awaiting my Stage 1 San Diego Powerhouse kit now. It’s a 8hp 5tq gain with a Pro Circuit full exhaust, Vortex with Twisted Development tuning and thermostat/emissions delete. Will keep you posted on how this feels, stage 2 adds the Cam to stage 1 so it’s always an option for me as the Vortex custom mapping has tunes for stage 1 and stage 2 loaded from San Diego Powerhouse. Ride on!
Oh thats cool that you can do it in phases. Stage 1 will probably be really similar to what I did and you'll really like it. Totally wakes the bike up. At the end of the video in the closing sequence when I passed him it accelerates fast, let alone having all that power off road!
Dads Domain come find our Facebook group online at “Honda CRF450L Owners Club”, tons of great info and sharing of ideas and showcasing builds and every product available for these things. Might get you some great ideas for videos that people would watch 🤙
New remapped ECU for the cam causing Fan issues, fan is coming on at 120F. the vortex before sent to be remapped the fan came on and off at 205F and of at 200F, same as the stock ECU. This issue causing my battery to slowly drain as fan stays on now. Sent back to company to see why this is. Check your bros bike fan just to be sure it’s good. Got the ECU back, they fixed the Fan issue. All is good now. Next try to get bike on Dyno to confirm HP figure. Great mod 👍
The DRZ400 is a better "dual sport" the CRF450l is a better street legal dirt bike. Hopefully that makes sense. Been a long time since I rode the DRZ, it was a good bike but the 450l is a completely different machine
Hey there Dads Domain. I have a Cam kit on order, does the kit suggest what settings to use on the Vortex ? Also who did you order the shim kit from? Cant find kit for the L, did you order one for the X, what part number for shim kit TYVM
Its the same kit as for the R and pretty much unchanged for years, they are 9.48mm. He got the vortex from San Diego powerhouse directly and they mapped it to the cam so you can use any of their settings they sent. But honestly 1 and 2 are all we use.
@@DadsDomain Thanks for replying, ordered the shim kit. I’ve had the vortex for long time. What settings you use to richen up the fueling? I’m using full power map and 5,5,5 , but what settings on the other three dials are you using with the cam ? Or I guess I’ll call powerhouse if you don’t know where the dials are set too.Appreciated 👍
@@DadsDomain powerhouse sent me the 10 map settings tonight. Settings one to five are for stock engine. 6 to ten are for the stage 2 cam kit. But I have the FMF pipe, maybe your maps are correct for 1 or 2 on your Yoshi. Have to send my vortex in for a remap as the stock vortex fuel advances are not enough for the Cam. 👍 They say 58 Hp I Dyno 48 last year.
@@DadsDomain Hey great vid by the way , so SD powerhouse is hard to get on the phone or social media , i'm looking for more info on the Vortex as i have one but from tokyo mods, does the mapping have 10 different settings for the cam setup or does it have settings from stock to stage 1 and stage 2 set up. the reason im asking is im trying to minimize down time. If i send in my Vortex to be flahsed by them will i have to wait unit the cam kit comes in or can i run there maps with my Yoshi.
So you took the head apart but did no porting. Did you investigate the potential for porting at all. Just curious. My piston brain friends can never resist grinding away at a stock head sometimes getting carried away to the detriment of the motor. Again just curious as I’m waiting for modify my L until others have done the trial and error. Thank you for the incite.
I've never done engine porting before and didn't want to learn here. I'd like to know how and or see how much it changes things but I didn't want to make a new bike my first
@@DadsDomain just wonder if your vortex is correct setting for full power, like I said in other post, powerhouse sent me the 10 map settings sheet, and the first 1 to five are stock motor, 6 to 10 show for the cam and ignition advances and rpm raised to 11,300. Guess you know if you on right map if tops out to 11300, as stock only goes to 10,850 or his first five maps he sent me. Get a Dyno and see if you pulling around 58 hp. You said when you compared mileage between your bike and your brothers you didn’t see much difference. Should be quite different I would think. Come on spring.
@@DadsDomain The map sheet powersport sent me says maps 1 to 5 are for stock engine, 6 to ten for the cam. Are you running vortex on your bike then 1 to 5 for you, but your bros cammed bike on 6 to ten? Or did your bro get a different map than they sent me? Maybe he not running full power yet. Just curious
Great vid DD, yeah, i put on a full yoshi, jd jetting piggyback, an a twin air with the lid removed, rode in idaho last week and my low fuel light came on after 48 miles...bummer, lol. I was getting after it pretty hard though. Hurry up with that IMS tank vid, lol! Thanks for all your content!
I want to do the twin air filter soon too. 48 miles is nothing....we're testing MPG soon as there is a 100 mile loop I want to do in Northern Idaho but I need to find out if we can make it to the gas station coming out of the mountains! We'll lay off if we have to but you burned through that 1.5 gallons (to fuel light) pretty darn quick!
@@DadsDomain yeah, we were riding around spirit lake, id. And it was alot of logging roads and powerlines, so i was on the throttle pretty hard. Where in north idaho are you headed too? I live here in wa in snohomish, but my parents have 10 acres just out of spirit lake. We can ride from thier front doorstep too a major powerline road. That place is why i bought the 450l, you can connect off road with short hops on road
Finally got my cam to install this weekend, I see the kit comes with new valve guide seals. Wonder why that’s necessary? Any idea? I don’t see that you had any in your kit or replaced yours.
This video was awesome, thanks for doing it. I bought my 450L for a trail to trail bike, and the only thing I've done is add hand guards and change the seat to a seat concepts. I was really upset about the flame out issue when I first got the bike but after 1800km (mostly tight single track), it seems to have gone away. I still don't know if the bike got better or I just figured out how to clutch through the flame out conditions. Either way, I'm super happy with this machine and not planning on doing anything to it.
After turning my idle up and getting used to the bike I didn't have much issues either after a couple hundred miles. Biggest thing I notice that stock did better was cold startup. Now the bikes with the vortex are a little cold blooded.
Power is such a seductive thing, but there's always a price to pay. Maintenance for certain, all good and well. Mileage, it will be interesting to see his mileage figures vs yours. Honestly the mileage is the biggest concern for me, based on your 70 mile range it will be interesting to see the comparison. Great video.
How does the stock Clutch hold up to the 19 extra ponies. Thinking of doing this to mine, was the Clutch slipping at all? Would you recommend an aftermarket clutch like a Hinson or can I keep it stock?
On the ride we just took this weekend he crossed 600 miles and all is well. Honestly for myself I don't want it. I can definitely feel the power difference on the street but mine gets my heart rate up just fine as it is. If I rode a lot of lose sand then I would probably consider it since it can suck up the power so easily.
Wow 19 more horses, this bike as it is comes with more power than most people can handle. Increased horsepower equals shorter engine life. I am amazed with guys that want to squeak every bit of power they can out of an engine, your video is very interesting thanks and job well done. It’s just money
Installed my Cam today. Was super careful that it was locked in place. Did the same as yours. Got to figure out the trick. Bike did go nuts with the cam. Love it. I had to change all my shims. Toughest part was getting the dam throttle body and tubes out of the way. How the heck you can bolt it down flush and the keepers are not in correct and not much lip on em either . Weird 👍
Congrats on getting it installed, and I am glad that knowledge is being shared about this cam design. It’s fine the bearings slide but it should have been designed so that it’s only flush if it’s installed right! Enjoy it though, it’s a whole new machine now
@@DadsDomain I re installed today and really checked again that it is in correct. Out testing again. Does your bros fan now come on way earlier than your bike. Mine seems to and sent message to twisted development asking where they set the fan to come on.
Wow! What a great video! Thanks for the info, love your channel! 👍👍 Question, I hear the 450L makes 38hp, and the 450X & 450R make 53hp. Are the cams different? Intake? Emission? How do they make that extra 15hp if the engines are pretty similar? If anyone would know, I know it would be you guys. Keep up the great videos, you are the best!
The 450R and RX are the same engines. The X and L use the same piston which is taller and cam which is less aggressive. Different fly wheel weights too. I originally confirmed this by looking at oem part numbers and the X and L were the same. BUT the L has a different ignition and exhaust then the X since it’s street legal. Still haven’t heard what the stock dyno numbers are on the X. Glad you enjoy the videos. This one is quite the memory to look back on!
@@DadsDomain Awesome! Thanks for the reply and info! I am really interested in getting one of these bikes. I wonder if it would be easier to make a 450X street legal then to recover the 15hp lost on emissions to the 450L ?
@@rocnktm It just depends on your states requirements and how much work you consider wiring in a tail light and turn signals. It’s far easier to uncork an L to an X but maybe not cheaper. Seems like there are more Ls to be found so maybe look for a left over on sale
Cam is way milder. The exhaust is more restrictive. Conservative tune. It was built to be an under-stressed engine that would last a long time, and meet emissions standards.
Well he paid the price they ask but it includes the exhaust and vortex. You don’t have to add those to it. Dollar for dollar it’s a better value than the vortex and ecu alone. Long time durability is the biggest issue. But he didn’t care. He wanted the power!!!
Hahaha, this is a little random, I am looking at getting a CRF450l and I gotta say, I love all your videos! However, in this video I couldn't help but notice the small print under the Honda name on the seat = "Rasmussen". Being my last name I couldn't help but ask why you have my name on your bike ;)
I think you will love the bike if you get it. I haven't regretted it at all. Thats actually my brother in laws last name. I know I have race numbers on my bike but I never put my name on it as I always felt like thats the transition to actually being a racer....I know it might be a little silly but unless I'm lining up on the gate I've kept my name off!
@@DadsDomain Nice one, say G'day to your brother in-law for me. I am a Rasmussen born in Tasmania, Australia! (no relation to Mary, Crown princess of Denmark who also came from Tasmania) Keep it up mate!
My dad has a collection of sockets meant for spark plugs so I just used one of his. I believe they also have a rubber circle at the top which pinches the plug and makes it lift out easier too
Honestly after it broke down and we took it to his house we should never have tried working on it that night, his garage is way to dark. When we came after it the next day with sunlight and a clear head after researching the issue we fixed it right away. But the roller coaster that night.....neither of us got much sleep! I updated the video description with a link to the kit.
I know he ordered them from factory fx as that’s where I got my set from. Last year on Black Friday they offered 50% off on Black Friday so if you can wait that’s a great way to save
Why buy the CRFL if you are going to make it into a race bike ? The L is more expensive and then you remove half of what they put on and replace with new exhaust, ECU, etc. I thought the WR450F was bad. By the time people do everything to it, they might just as well have bought a YZ450FX. I know... licensing and Green Sticker.
Your thought process is reasonable though. I saved $2300 off msrp and then with the money I put back into it I got the bike I wanted for basically sticker price. That’s how my head works at least 😉
Hi, you had said you were running map 1 or two on the cammed bike? The maps San Diego Powerhouse sent me shows maps 1 to five for stock, 6 to ten for Stage two cam. 6 being best Dyno and 10 best bottom end torque. Just wondering if you getting full power ? Can’t upload maps here to show you.
Great catch! So I never looked at the instructions they sent him and come to find out he needed to change maps! I think we switched it to map 6 and it did eek out a little more power
@@DadsDomain 👍 my ECU on way back to me now with the Cam, I got the valve spring tool and shim kit ready to go. Just installed supermoto wheels this week.
@@DadsDomain Just curious if you had any valve clearances at all when installing the cam. Did you have to change all shims and did you go bigger or smaller on them . I know mine may be different. Thanksgiving
You should have broken it in first. You're also going to regret not changing that base gasket. When they are torqued down they are squished its going to leak.
$2500 to gain 19hp wow they saw people coming with this one also if the motor doesn’t break in the first 30 seconds grip it and rip it those “run in” routines the mfg state are garbage doesn’t actually save the bike or make the bike last longer just keep the maintenance up and you’re good.
Ya I've heard it a lot of different ways and seen a few videos on it. On my bike I didn't wait a full 100 for WOT but we were just playing it safer on this kit. I told him to vary RPMs, get some deacclearation downshifts on it and do some WOT from a low RPM to mid RPMs as well and save full RPM for the last. Who knows....as long as the moto gods keep it from detonating we'll be happy!
Dads Domain yup, I’ve got a KTM 690 enduro and didn’t smash on it too hard but with how light the front end is😎 I saved that tire on the first day I rode it home.
Yes I do. I only got on it all the way once so far. My brother in law was on my dads sportster 1200 and I was on this bike. I blew past him going 80 up hill and it pulled way better than my bike would have. I feel like my bikes pull loses it’s impressiveness after 50 where this mod pulls harder longer. But a portion of the gains are all on top of the rpm band. Truly it’s for Baja racing or pavement. Track or trail I doubt any mortal person needs it
@@DadsDomain it’s mostly stock now except heated grips and controller for my heated gear and the vortex. How much was the install price when u needed it fixed??
Video coming tomorrow of me doing mine and some quick thoughts on why. But not to spoil the video my bike started better with the emissions out. Probably cause I have the Vortex. Its never started as good since I put that on.
Not to start rumors but I've seen comments that the cam and exhaust springs are just from the 450r so in that sense they are Honda if thats true but you're running their ignition mapping and tuning. Your second comment is why I didn't do it to mine, I have the power I need for what I want to do after changing the exhaust and putting in the Vortex. I recommend this kit for Supermoto setups and racing. I've gotten to ride this wide open on the road and thats where you can really use the extra power, off road
Well if it wasn’t for Tyler coming right behind him I probably would have waited until 2022. But I will probably be looking to upgrade him next year and give the 65 to Tyler. I would like to find him a 2019 or newer since they added the power valve that year. It would make the transition really easy for him.
Him and I haven’t been able to get together to discuss it yet like I wanted but he ordered a rekluse clutch for it that were going to install and talk about how the bike has been. I think he is at 1100 miles and all is well for now
@@DadsDomain ya mine is in the shop to get stage to cam and head port but a lot of people are telling me this cam kit will make my bike start to go down hill fast
I would expect less reliability over the stock setup but how much we don’t really know. Stay up on maintenance and check your valves as you go and you should be fine for quite awhile
I hate to ask an obvious question but why on earth would you take a brand new bike, that you admit you haven't ridden, and rip into the engine to install a new cam and springs, when you also admit you don't have the talent to use the additional power. Sorry but I'm always mystified by that. Of course many people out there do the same thing, much to my amazement.
Totally fair and kinda sorta somewhat my reaction. I will tell you though you can use this power all day long on the pavement, no issues there and OMG what a Supermoto bike this would be. But if my brother in law was at the keyboard he would tell you the extra HP is absorbed by his extra weight and we have the same bike in some regards....little exaggerated but a drag race will eventually answer that. From there we just figured a new engine would come apart easier and none of the valve seats or any of the drive train had really worn in yet. So if you know you're going to do it WTH do it now and let everything break in together. He also changed the oil and filter after our video. Its still running fine now almost a week later so from here only time will tell how "smart" of a decision this was
I would like to see a dyno run to see if it's actually more hp than a R model, or if it's just a bunch of bull shit like the jazz ever getting out of the first round....
I too question if the numbers are at the crank vs rear wheel. I also wonder if the kit is just an R cam to go with the R valve springs they sent. I don't have a way to prove it or not. I think where their time went into was a custom tune on the Vortex to match the cam.
Are you Fkn crazy. I cant believe you did this. You who researches everything and goes by the book- Just rips the snot out of a brand new motor. Your too funny sometimes.
Well you have to think through this...did "I" do it or would I have done it, no. Did I say hell ya when my brother in law wanted to buy it and do it and not hold me liable for problems, you bet I did! 😀
Thank you for the video though tbh I would never recommend doing that on a brand new bike with warranty on it. I’d just run it stock for the first year or two and just do cosmetic, control and protection mods.
The motor is fine, he has about 600 miles on it now. Long term we'll see how well his valves hold specs and if his shims need changing more often than mine. If this kit creates less reliability long term I don't see that happening until at least 10k plus miles.
I don’t want to be a dick but I for one hate not knowing where the HP and Torque specs were to start. You can’t just ad and delete parts and say how much better it is after spending a butt load of money and time. I need numbers! Maybe I’m anal retentive.
right term "installation of" and please sometime go full throttle when breaking in an engine... this will assure that the piston rings get set in its place.. and go high rev to stretch the stuff so the piston reaches its ultimate top if you dont do this you create an lazy engine and oil consumer
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Hey I just want to leave a little note here for everyone. The cam provided in the kit had to be modified FOR the the 450L. It's a factory Honda CRF450RX camshaft. The bearing shoulders are actually 1mm farther apart then on the stock cam and will not allow you to install the cam cap correctly. I don't believe the issue you were having installing the cam was technically your fault as if the milling is not done correctly it can keep you from getting the bearings in the holder with the rings. The stock cam is also not that *shiny* from Honda, so I know they've done polishing to it as well.
I learned this the hard way and had the right side bearing fracture and destroy the head and cam. I have since replaced the head and *milled* camshaft and should have it running again soon. I did not get the kit. I'm doing it with all stock Honda parts (and ECU) and possibly will do a write up of how I did it.
Sorry to hear about your bike, thats a lot of work to have to go through but I really appreciate you sharing that information here for everyone. It still bugs me to this day I could get the holder to line up flush so you had no way of knowing it wasn't lined up right. I should be doing my valves this winter so if I have to shim them I'm going to be really curious to see if it goes together easier or not. If you ever do a write up of your bike let me know as I'd be curious
@@robertlambert7906 I have put 2500 miles on the bike since doing all this. It runs fine. The cam he put in is in fact a modified RX camshaft. Milling is required to make it work.
@@AliasTekTV so ur telling me they sent me a cam that I have to go get milled but claim it’s plug and play
@@robertlambert7906 no they milled it for you. I did it the DIY way with Honda parts.
@@AliasTekTV ok sorry about the language and disrespect I thought you where saying they didn’t mill it and that I had to lol I got pissed
22,00 km now , 12,000 with the cam. Still running perfect
Still going strong? How many miles are you doing between oil changes
I was on the fence on doing this camshaft swap but you have convinced me not to do it. I don’t need those kind of headaches for some minor horsepower gains. Thanks for the heads up though.
The only counter I will say is to change shims you have to take the cam out. So most people at some point have to do that. Ironically what I was scared of the most, the head work, went really well
"Minor" hp gains😂😂 19hp added to 40, is a SIGNIFICANT gain.
@@StumpStunter95 59 HP with the cams ? I doubt it. Engine longevity is significantly decreased if that is so.
@@SomeTechGuy666 19hp with cams, vortex ecu & ignition, high compression head, exhaust, and I can't remember what else...not just cams though...
@@jonathondavis170 The stock engine doesn't make 40 HP. More like 30.
I did IMS tank, well worth doing, no gas worries anymore at all
We all just hit low fuel lights on our last ride.....still thinking about it for surre.
Stopping for gas is good either way, sometimes you need to take a break
Did you ever add the IMS tank and do a video?
I was thinking to do the work my self but After seeing you clip I decided to take my bike to San Diego powerhouse and get it done by them, lol
Since it’s been 3 years since this video. How is the bike doing with the cam upgrade? Did you have to rebuild it yet?
How do you like them flex bars? Do they help your hands from going numb from vibration?
Took me 4 weeks to get mine also. But well worth the wait.
Def worth the wait. Just sucks when you’re ready to ride
I would definitely get radiator guards for both bikes always a good idea 👍
I'm hoping to get enough put aside in June to buy those and break away levers. We a camping trip and driving to the Oregon coast that month as well so like most people theres only so much cash to go around!
@@MtnPeakEnduro no, it does not
Great video! Good too see you got it figured out. 👍
Thank you! He text me last night that its still running fine, almost a week later so we're getting past the stress zone.
Dads Domain that’s good!
I liked the video because of your honesty. Some guys might have "edited out" their mistakes, but it was very helpful to see you go through the process of troubleshooting and eventually fixing it. So does that kit really give the bike 19 more HP? Because that's actually a huge change and I kind of doubt it. Or is that just the name of the kit? 😁 Thank you. 👍
PS: 2 strokes are so much easier to work on, heh.
Ya sometimes its hard to admit, or show, people how wrong you are sometimes but honestly that made the project all the more worthy of sharing with everyone IMO. We all screw stuff up eventually....thankfully it wasn't catastrophic. I've only gotten to really ride it after break in once and only got on it a couple times. Is it more powerful than mine...you bet, does it feel like 19hp, no. But I also didn't run it all the way to the red line and based on the cam profile I really think peak HP is all the way right to the top. He now has 600 miles on it so at some point I do plan on borrowing it from him and doing a follow up on it to really see how it feels all out.
Looking forward to your thermostat delete kit install video. I’m thinking about doing that myself.
The next time I get time to go out to my dads shop I'll be throwing it on. Shouldn't be too bad now that I know how but its a little confusing if you don't know where things go. I'll try to capture all the steps.
ZEROhhhh HP gain, just a weight-savings. Save the parts, the next Owner may need them dur to State regs. Just a suggestion. ;-)
I came across your video. After owing one, I would suggest fitting the kickstand lockout switch bypass(from San Diego) because the chain can rub up against the original cable and short the bike out. Especially since the bike can do 90mph down the highway.
We both actually just modded the stock plug. You just tie the wires together. He removed his kickstand but I kept mine. But the wiring harness is gone
Hello great video I’ve been a supporter ever since 300 subs on this channel keep up the good work
Always appreciated you being around. Hopefully you're getting some riding in! We're getting behind on stuff on this side but hopefully we're out again soon.
I am awaiting my Stage 1 San Diego Powerhouse kit now. It’s a 8hp 5tq gain with a Pro Circuit full exhaust, Vortex with Twisted Development tuning and thermostat/emissions delete. Will keep you posted on how this feels, stage 2 adds the Cam to stage 1 so it’s always an option for me as the Vortex custom mapping has tunes for stage 1 and stage 2 loaded from San Diego Powerhouse. Ride on!
Oh thats cool that you can do it in phases. Stage 1 will probably be really similar to what I did and you'll really like it. Totally wakes the bike up. At the end of the video in the closing sequence when I passed him it accelerates fast, let alone having all that power off road!
Dads Domain come find our Facebook group online at “Honda CRF450L Owners Club”, tons of great info and sharing of ideas and showcasing builds and every product available for these things. Might get you some great ideas for videos that people would watch 🤙
Cam will be the biggest power gain!
As always, love your vids!
Thanks! I appreciate it
Hell yeah looks like a badass weekend
New remapped ECU for the cam causing Fan issues, fan is coming on at 120F. the vortex before sent to be remapped the fan came on and off at 205F and of at 200F, same as the stock ECU. This issue causing my battery to slowly drain as fan stays on now. Sent back to company to see why this is. Check your bros bike fan just to be sure it’s good. Got the ECU back, they fixed the Fan issue. All is good now. Next try to get bike on Dyno to confirm HP figure. Great mod 👍
Awesome video. I have a drz400, hopefully in a few years I can get a good price on a used 450l.
The DRZ400 is a better "dual sport" the CRF450l is a better street legal dirt bike. Hopefully that makes sense. Been a long time since I rode the DRZ, it was a good bike but the 450l is a completely different machine
If either one of you hits the 1,800 mile mark and checks your valves, I think a how to video would be neat to see.
Thanks for sharing the human error, greatly appreciated and will keep an eye on that for sure !
Hey there Dads Domain. I have a Cam kit on order, does the kit suggest what settings to use on the Vortex ? Also who did you order the shim kit from? Cant find kit for the L, did you order one for the X, what part number for shim kit TYVM
Its the same kit as for the R and pretty much unchanged for years, they are 9.48mm. He got the vortex from San Diego powerhouse directly and they mapped it to the cam so you can use any of their settings they sent. But honestly 1 and 2 are all we use.
@@DadsDomain Thanks for replying, ordered the shim kit. I’ve had the vortex for long time. What settings you use to richen up the fueling? I’m using full power map and 5,5,5 , but what settings on the other three dials are you using with the cam ? Or I guess I’ll call powerhouse if you don’t know where the dials are set too.Appreciated 👍
@@DadsDomain powerhouse sent me the 10 map settings tonight. Settings one to five are for stock engine. 6 to ten are for the stage 2 cam kit. But I have the FMF pipe, maybe your maps are correct for 1 or 2 on your Yoshi. Have to send my vortex in for a remap as the stock vortex fuel advances are not enough for the Cam. 👍 They say 58 Hp I Dyno 48 last year.
@@DadsDomain Hey great vid by the way , so SD powerhouse is hard to get on the phone or social media , i'm looking for more info on the Vortex as i have one but from tokyo mods, does the mapping have 10 different settings for the cam setup or does it have settings from stock to stage 1 and stage 2 set up. the reason im asking is im trying to minimize down time. If i send in my Vortex to be flahsed by them will i have to wait unit the cam kit comes in or can i run there maps with my Yoshi.
LOL , don't both replying , thanks anyways , just saw someone else ask you the same.
So you took the head apart but did no porting. Did you investigate the potential for porting at all. Just curious. My piston brain friends can never resist grinding away at a stock head sometimes getting carried away to the detriment of the motor. Again just curious as I’m waiting for modify my L until others have done the trial and error. Thank you for the incite.
I've never done engine porting before and didn't want to learn here. I'd like to know how and or see how much it changes things but I didn't want to make a new bike my first
I have to send my Vortex off to San Diego Powerhouse to get remapped, then they will send it back with the Cam. 48 hp to 58 with map and Cam kit. 👍👍👍
Its a big difference for sure. I'm going to try and spend some time with this bike later this spring and really see the power difference first hand
@@DadsDomain just wonder if your vortex is correct setting for full power, like I said in other post, powerhouse sent me the 10 map settings sheet, and the first 1 to five are stock motor, 6 to 10 show for the cam and ignition advances and rpm raised to 11,300. Guess you know if you on right map if tops out to 11300, as stock only goes to 10,850 or his first five maps he sent me. Get a Dyno and see if you pulling around 58 hp. You said when you compared mileage between your bike and your brothers you didn’t see much difference. Should be quite different I would think. Come on spring.
@@DadsDomain The map sheet powersport sent me says maps 1 to 5 are for stock engine, 6 to ten for the cam. Are you running vortex on your bike then 1 to 5 for you, but your bros cammed bike on 6 to ten? Or did your bro get a different map than they sent me? Maybe he not running full power yet. Just curious
Great vid DD, yeah, i put on a full yoshi, jd jetting piggyback, an a twin air with the lid removed, rode in idaho last week and my low fuel light came on after 48 miles...bummer, lol. I was getting after it pretty hard though. Hurry up with that IMS tank vid, lol! Thanks for all your content!
I want to do the twin air filter soon too. 48 miles is nothing....we're testing MPG soon as there is a 100 mile loop I want to do in Northern Idaho but I need to find out if we can make it to the gas station coming out of the mountains! We'll lay off if we have to but you burned through that 1.5 gallons (to fuel light) pretty darn quick!
@@DadsDomain yeah, we were riding around spirit lake, id. And it was alot of logging roads and powerlines, so i was on the throttle pretty hard. Where in north idaho are you headed too? I live here in wa in snohomish, but my parents have 10 acres just out of spirit lake. We can ride from thier front doorstep too a major powerline road. That place is why i bought the 450l, you can connect off road with short hops on road
Finally got my cam to install this weekend, I see the kit comes with new valve guide seals. Wonder why that’s necessary? Any idea? I don’t see that you had any in your kit or replaced yours.
This video was awesome, thanks for doing it. I bought my 450L for a trail to trail bike, and the only thing I've done is add hand guards and change the seat to a seat concepts. I was really upset about the flame out issue when I first got the bike but after 1800km (mostly tight single track), it seems to have gone away. I still don't know if the bike got better or I just figured out how to clutch through the flame out conditions. Either way, I'm super happy with this machine and not planning on doing anything to it.
After turning my idle up and getting used to the bike I didn't have much issues either after a couple hundred miles. Biggest thing I notice that stock did better was cold startup. Now the bikes with the vortex are a little cold blooded.
Power is such a seductive thing, but there's always a price to pay. Maintenance for certain, all good and well. Mileage, it will be interesting to see his mileage figures vs yours. Honestly the mileage is the biggest concern for me, based on your 70 mile range it will be interesting to see the comparison. Great video.
Thank you! I am really looking forward to comparing our mileage. I have a new seat on order....hoping that comes in time to make the ride nicer!
Its really cool man. I'm a fan of honda CRF I wish I can have that kind of big bike
Why did you take the head off the bike ? To do the valve springs ?
BTW, the valve seat will wear faster with the stronger valve springs.
Yep, I think they are the springs from the R. And that would make sense the valve seat will wear faster with a stiff spring
Excellent video!
How does the stock Clutch hold up to the 19 extra ponies. Thinking of doing this to mine, was the Clutch slipping at all? Would you recommend an aftermarket clutch like a Hinson or can I keep it stock?
Is there enough clearance between the valve and piston now?
Was it worth the money ? Or should I do a big bore
How’s that cam bike holding up. You want to do it on your bike? Does your brothers bike leave you in the dust?
On the ride we just took this weekend he crossed 600 miles and all is well. Honestly for myself I don't want it. I can definitely feel the power difference on the street but mine gets my heart rate up just fine as it is. If I rode a lot of lose sand then I would probably consider it since it can suck up the power so easily.
Why would u want to delete the thermostat? What is the benefit?
So did he have to get his vortex re programmed for the new cam ?
The one they send is reprogrammed by them to match the cam
Thanks for the video and advice! Which OEM service manual do you have for the L and can you share where did you buy it? I can only find for the X.
I grabbed the service manual that they sell on crfsonly it was in the 450l section
I’m wondering if you can buy a stock X model cam (lifters if they are different as well) with the vortex and it’ll provide similar hp gains?
Wow 19 more horses, this bike as it is comes with more power than most people can handle. Increased horsepower equals shorter engine life. I am amazed with guys that want to squeak every bit of power they can out of an engine, your video is very interesting thanks and job well done.
It’s just money
Where did you get your front sprocket cover? Looks awesome, thanks
He got the Zeta Case saver for the CRF450l but didn't use the outer black cover
I got a vortex from twisted all the paperwork says crf450L or 450rl is it the same as the x I have the x and asked for the x
Installed my Cam today. Was super careful that it was locked in place. Did the same as yours. Got to figure out the trick. Bike did go nuts with the cam. Love it. I had to change all my shims. Toughest part was getting the dam throttle body and tubes out of the way. How the heck you can bolt it down flush and the keepers are not in correct and not much lip on em either . Weird 👍
Congrats on getting it installed, and I am glad that knowledge is being shared about this cam design. It’s fine the bearings slide but it should have been designed so that it’s only flush if it’s installed right! Enjoy it though, it’s a whole new machine now
@@DadsDomain I re installed today and really checked again that it is in correct. Out testing again. Does your bros fan now come on way earlier than your bike. Mine seems to and sent message to twisted development asking where they set the fan to come on.
@@DadsDomain Well I just did about an hour on her, so far so good this time. Havnt hammered on her yet.👍😎
@@DadsDomain did an hour shakedown and hit 11,100 rpm on highway. She held together. Yeah
Wow! What a great video! Thanks for the info, love your channel! 👍👍
Question, I hear the 450L makes 38hp, and the 450X & 450R make 53hp. Are the cams different? Intake? Emission? How do they make that extra 15hp if the engines are pretty similar? If anyone would know, I know it would be you guys. Keep up the great videos, you are the best!
The 450R and RX are the same engines. The X and L use the same piston which is taller and cam which is less aggressive. Different fly wheel weights too. I originally confirmed this by looking at oem part numbers and the X and L were the same. BUT the L has a different ignition and exhaust then the X since it’s street legal. Still haven’t heard what the stock dyno numbers are on the X. Glad you enjoy the videos. This one is quite the memory to look back on!
@@DadsDomain Awesome! Thanks for the reply and info! I am really interested in getting one of these bikes.
I wonder if it would be easier to make a 450X street legal then to recover the 15hp lost on emissions to the 450L ?
@@rocnktm It just depends on your states requirements and how much work you consider wiring in a tail light and turn signals. It’s far easier to uncork an L to an X but maybe not cheaper. Seems like there are more Ls to be found so maybe look for a left over on sale
Cam is way milder. The exhaust is more restrictive. Conservative tune. It was built to be an under-stressed engine that would last a long time, and meet emissions standards.
@@hrbestalkinme3690 correct
awsome video but did u actually pay full 2500 price or is it minus the exaughst
Well he paid the price they ask but it includes the exhaust and vortex. You don’t have to add those to it. Dollar for dollar it’s a better value than the vortex and ecu alone. Long time durability is the biggest issue. But he didn’t care. He wanted the power!!!
Great info and great videos
Thanks I appreciate it
Hahaha, this is a little random, I am looking at getting a CRF450l and I gotta say, I love all your videos! However, in this video I couldn't help but notice the small print under the Honda name on the seat = "Rasmussen". Being my last name I couldn't help but ask why you have my name on your bike ;)
I think you will love the bike if you get it. I haven't regretted it at all. Thats actually my brother in laws last name. I know I have race numbers on my bike but I never put my name on it as I always felt like thats the transition to actually being a racer....I know it might be a little silly but unless I'm lining up on the gate I've kept my name off!
@@DadsDomain Nice one, say G'day to your brother in-law for me. I am a Rasmussen born in Tasmania, Australia! (no relation to Mary, Crown princess of Denmark who also came from Tasmania) Keep it up mate!
Kinda crazy not do break in before doing motor work imo
Where can I get a plastics set for my crf450rl 2022
Have you tried the low end map 10 yet? I’m about to try 7,8,9 ignition advance ones also.
How did you guys get the spark plug out? Mine didn’t come with a wrench and sockets are to big...
My dad has a collection of sockets meant for spark plugs so I just used one of his. I believe they also have a rubber circle at the top which pinches the plug and makes it lift out easier too
Wow, that was a roller coaster. Im exhausted now.
What was the price on the kit? link?
Honestly after it broke down and we took it to his house we should never have tried working on it that night, his garage is way to dark. When we came after it the next day with sunlight and a clear head after researching the issue we fixed it right away. But the roller coaster that night.....neither of us got much sleep! I updated the video description with a link to the kit.
You ever going to put out some new videos?
Did you ever get it on the dyno
Hello i like your black number plates and the one on the front looks cool. May I ask where you got those so I can copy 😀
I know he ordered them from factory fx as that’s where I got my set from. Last year on Black Friday they offered 50% off on Black Friday so if you can wait that’s a great way to save
@@DadsDomain Good info thanks!
I can’t count the # of operator errors I’ve committed.
As Homer Simpson would say “DOH!”
Oh how i wish that was a 450 drop on kit for the 250!
It would be nice if you could dk a big bore kit though. Even just 50 extra
Is there a follow up video on the performance of this camshaft kit?
We are going to have some fun with it this spring and do some riding swapping bikes around to see how much of a difference it makes
Thanks for sharing 🤔👍
No problem! For some people it’s just fun to watch, for others I am glad they can share in the learning we went through!
How did you get the throttle body connection off the head , did you drop the engine forward?
If memory serves correct we pulled the top sub frame bolts out and loosened others so we could pivot it backwards
Why buy the CRFL if you are going to make it into a race bike ? The L is more expensive and then you remove half of what they put on and replace with new exhaust, ECU, etc.
I thought the WR450F was bad. By the time people do everything to it, they might just as well have bought a YZ450FX.
I know... licensing and Green Sticker.
Your thought process is reasonable though. I saved $2300 off msrp and then with the money I put back into it I got the bike I wanted for basically sticker price. That’s how my head works at least 😉
Hi, you had said you were running map 1 or two on the cammed bike? The maps San Diego Powerhouse sent me shows maps 1 to five for stock, 6 to ten for Stage two cam. 6 being best Dyno and 10 best bottom end torque. Just wondering if you getting full power ? Can’t upload maps here to show you.
Great catch! So I never looked at the instructions they sent him and come to find out he needed to change maps! I think we switched it to map 6 and it did eek out a little more power
@@DadsDomain 👍 my ECU on way back to me now with the Cam, I got the valve spring tool and shim kit ready to go. Just installed supermoto wheels this week.
I’ll get my bike Dyno checked after installing the cam and map developed my Twisted development. San Diego sends the ECU to them.
@@DadsDomain Just curious if you had any valve clearances at all when installing the cam. Did you have to change all shims and did you go bigger or smaller on them . I know mine may be different. Thanksgiving
Great video
Thank you!
Nice video!
Thank you!
Did it fix the flame out issues
What headlight is that?
Still performing great after 4 months?
Great video, very well done. Makes me glad I own Yamaha's, LOL.
Ha! I do love Yamaha too though
Been watching and never knew you lived in WA. Im in clallam and cowlitz county.
Its beautiful over where you are at. Someday we want to trailer over there and ride around and camp....seems endless the places to ride out there!
@@DadsDomain lots of great areas. Great video and helpful info. Been enjoying the videos. Blessings to your family and stay safe!!!
Is this kit a Guarantee 19 hp
So how about a follow up video?
I am going to try and get with him or take the bike for a day before winter. It’s running great though
Way easier to shim valve's while you have the head off
You should have broken it in first. You're also going to regret not changing that base gasket. When they are torqued down they are squished its going to leak.
So far so good.....I think he's at only 1100 miles though but we'll keep an eye on it
Nice
Thanks!
Theres any vortex ecu can we use on highways?
$2500 to gain 19hp wow they saw people coming with this one also if the motor doesn’t break in the first 30 seconds grip it and rip it those “run in” routines the mfg state are garbage doesn’t actually save the bike or make the bike last longer just keep the maintenance up and you’re good.
Ya I've heard it a lot of different ways and seen a few videos on it. On my bike I didn't wait a full 100 for WOT but we were just playing it safer on this kit. I told him to vary RPMs, get some deacclearation downshifts on it and do some WOT from a low RPM to mid RPMs as well and save full RPM for the last. Who knows....as long as the moto gods keep it from detonating we'll be happy!
Dads Domain yup, I’ve got a KTM 690 enduro and didn’t smash on it too hard but with how light the front end is😎 I saved that tire on the first day I rode it home.
Did you do a port on the head
No we left that alone
@@DadsDomain I'm doing a stage 1 port
Do u feel like u got the 19hp gain they promised
Yes I do. I only got on it all the way once so far. My brother in law was on my dads sportster 1200 and I was on this bike. I blew past him going 80 up hill and it pulled way better than my bike would have. I feel like my bikes pull loses it’s impressiveness after 50 where this mod pulls harder longer. But a portion of the gains are all on top of the rpm band. Truly it’s for Baja racing or pavement. Track or trail I doubt any mortal person needs it
@@DadsDomain thanks I think I’ll have my shop install it in the spring I ride mostly wide open stuff here in Wyoming
@@cliftondugan5295 In that case I think you’ll love it!
@@DadsDomain it’s mostly stock now except heated grips and controller for my heated gear and the vortex. How much was the install price when u needed it fixed??
what case saver are you using?
It’s the zeta case saver, I tossed the black guard that comes with it. Got shorter bolts too.
Why delete the thermostat?
Video coming tomorrow of me doing mine and some quick thoughts on why. But not to spoil the video my bike started better with the emissions out. Probably cause I have the Vortex. Its never started as good since I put that on.
Not sure I understand why you would mess with Honda Reliability unless you can already use 100% of your bike. Which 99% of us can’t.
Not to start rumors but I've seen comments that the cam and exhaust springs are just from the 450r so in that sense they are Honda if thats true but you're running their ignition mapping and tuning. Your second comment is why I didn't do it to mine, I have the power I need for what I want to do after changing the exhaust and putting in the Vortex. I recommend this kit for Supermoto setups and racing. I've gotten to ride this wide open on the road and thats where you can really use the extra power, off road
@@DadsDomain that’s what I was wondering, we’re there any Honda part numbers on the cam to see if it was the 19+ 450r cam
When do you think you will uprgrade Liam to a 85
Well if it wasn’t for Tyler coming right behind him I probably would have waited until 2022. But I will probably be looking to upgrade him next year and give the 65 to Tyler. I would like to find him a 2019 or newer since they added the power valve that year. It would make the transition really easy for him.
Dads Domain I have a 2019 yz85 and I love it
Forget that!
Any updates on this cam swap
Him and I haven’t been able to get together to discuss it yet like I wanted but he ordered a rekluse clutch for it that were going to install and talk about how the bike has been. I think he is at 1100 miles and all is well for now
@@DadsDomain ya mine is in the shop to get stage to cam and head port but a lot of people are telling me this cam kit will make my bike start to go down hill fast
I would expect less reliability over the stock setup but how much we don’t really know. Stay up on maintenance and check your valves as you go and you should be fine for quite awhile
@@DadsDomain ok thank you
I hate to ask an obvious question but why on earth would you take a brand new bike, that you admit you haven't ridden, and rip into the engine to install a new cam and springs, when you also admit you don't have the talent to use the additional power. Sorry but I'm always mystified by that. Of course many people out there do the same thing, much to my amazement.
Totally fair and kinda sorta somewhat my reaction. I will tell you though you can use this power all day long on the pavement, no issues there and OMG what a Supermoto bike this would be. But if my brother in law was at the keyboard he would tell you the extra HP is absorbed by his extra weight and we have the same bike in some regards....little exaggerated but a drag race will eventually answer that. From there we just figured a new engine would come apart easier and none of the valve seats or any of the drive train had really worn in yet. So if you know you're going to do it WTH do it now and let everything break in together. He also changed the oil and filter after our video. Its still running fine now almost a week later so from here only time will tell how "smart" of a decision this was
Maybe change titel to "how to" or "not to" so People can find it
Not a bad idea. I was trying not to make the title too long
I would like to see a dyno run to see if it's actually more hp than a R model, or if it's just a bunch of bull shit like the jazz ever getting out of the first round....
I too question if the numbers are at the crank vs rear wheel. I also wonder if the kit is just an R cam to go with the R valve springs they sent. I don't have a way to prove it or not. I think where their time went into was a custom tune on the Vortex to match the cam.
I thought they claim a 19 hp gain not 11
Ah You destroyed a new engine 🙈
Are you Fkn crazy.
I cant believe you did this.
You who researches everything and goes by the book-
Just rips the snot out of a brand new motor.
Your too funny sometimes.
Well you have to think through this...did "I" do it or would I have done it, no. Did I say hell ya when my brother in law wanted to buy it and do it and not hold me liable for problems, you bet I did! 😀
Thank you for the video though tbh I would never recommend doing that on a brand new bike with warranty on it. I’d just run it stock for the first year or two and just do cosmetic, control and protection mods.
12k on a bike then another 2k.....OMG! Just go buy a Husky 501 and you would be happy and save a couple grand.
It’s a fair comment for sure but he is still about 15hp more than a 501 right now
The broken in is a myth
Why did you ruin your motor?
The motor is fine, he has about 600 miles on it now. Long term we'll see how well his valves hold specs and if his shims need changing more often than mine. If this kit creates less reliability long term I don't see that happening until at least 10k plus miles.
hmmm 19 hp , only one way to tell
He won’t ever put it on a dyno but we will drag race them next year
OUCH!! sorry for you guys.... sucks!
Ya it was quite the experience, but its been running great and I think we're clear of any issues now
I don’t want to be a dick but I for one hate not knowing where the HP and Torque specs were to start. You can’t just ad and delete parts and say how much better it is after spending a butt load of money and time. I need numbers! Maybe I’m anal retentive.
Ha. Ha...19 hp..your funny.more like 12 to the wheel all together.
I’m thinking if you were clean shaven, you’d have a pretty big chin.
I guess we all get something different out of a video
More like how not to install 😂😂
Hey sometimes the best how to has to show the good and the bad right?! If only that was planned....
@@DadsDomain nice job fitting the new cam awesome bikes them
right term "installation of" and please sometime go full throttle when breaking in an engine... this will assure that the piston rings get set in its place.. and go high rev to stretch the stuff so the piston reaches its ultimate top if you dont do this you create an lazy engine and oil consumer